Speaker 1: We often talk about the system in purely negative terms.
Speaker 1: This is actually a thing the left and the right
Speaker 1: seemed to share. In America. Only the ever vanishing center
Speaker 1: expresses much faith in the system. And even then you
Speaker 1: won't find a lot of folks who will happily cheer
Speaker 1: the bureaucracy that runs so much of our government. It's slow, unwieldy,
Speaker 1: my opoic at best, and heartlessly inhuman at its worst.
Speaker 1: To increasing numbers of Americans, the system is one of
Speaker 1: the great evils of our modern era. The American militia
Speaker 1: movement was first incited by Ruby Ridge and the burning
Speaker 1: of the Branch Davidian compounded Waco. But rather than laying
Speaker 1: blame on specific individuals and the bad choices they made,
Speaker 1: many Americans blamed the federal government as a monolithic entity.
Speaker 1: Tim McVeigh didn't bomb the A. T. F S Headquarters
Speaker 1: or the Pentagon, or try to assassinate a bunch of congressmen.
Speaker 1: He bombed a federal building. Even if you aren't actively
Speaker 1: cleaning a gun and your bunker, laughing to yourself at
Speaker 1: how I'm surely a stooge of the New World Order.
Speaker 1: Your view of bureaucracy as unlikely to be a charitable one.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to defend to say the FBI or
Speaker 1: even the d m V here. I've got issues with
Speaker 1: both organizations myself, and as somebody with libertarian anarchistic tendencies,
Speaker 1: I've always been hesitant to give any credit to bureaucracy.
Speaker 1: But then I read a book called Black Earth by
Speaker 1: Timothy D. Snyder. He's a professor of history at Yale
Speaker 1: University and his specialty is the Holocaust. Professor Snyder is
Speaker 1: hands down one of the greatest minds in his field.
Speaker 1: His work is impeccably researched, in mind bogglingly thorough, and
Speaker 1: in Black Earth, he argues that bureaucracy did more than
Speaker 1: just about anything else to save lives during the Holocaust.
Speaker 1: During his research, Professor Snyder found that the Jewish communities
Speaker 1: that saw the most complete eradication in Europe were the
Speaker 1: ones and locations that suffered from what he calls double
Speaker 1: state destruction. I e. Poland was conquered by the Nazis
Speaker 1: and the Soviets. They basically split it down the middle,
Speaker 1: so the Polish state was destroyed. Then Germany invaded and
Speaker 1: wiped out the Soviet government in Poland, so the state
Speaker 1: was destroyed twice. According to Professor Snyder quote, Germans found
Speaker 1: the conditions where one could do as one pleased, where
Speaker 1: they could kill Jews in large numbers for the first
Speaker 1: time in nineteen forty one, as they invaded the Soviet Union.
Speaker 1: It was in the zone of double occupation where Soviet
Speaker 1: rule preceded German, where the Soviet destruction of interwar states
Speaker 1: was followed by German annihilation of Soviet institutions, that a
Speaker 1: final solution took shape. Almost all of the two million
Speaker 1: or so Jews who came under German rule in nineteen
Speaker 1: thirty nine would die. The same was true of the
Speaker 1: two million Jews who came under Soviet rule in nineteen
Speaker 1: thirty nine and nineteen forty. Indeed, the Jews who initially
Speaker 1: fell under Soviet rule were the first to be murdered
Speaker 1: on Moss by the Germans. France, on the other hand,
Speaker 1: didn't really have its state destroyed. The Germans took over,
Speaker 1: but a lot of the underlying bureaucracy was left in
Speaker 1: place because it would have been just way too much
Speaker 1: trouble to rebuild from the ground up, and this left
Speaker 1: the Jews and other targeted minority groups in France with
Speaker 1: more options. According to Snyder quote, sidisanship in modern states
Speaker 1: means access to bureaucracy. Bureaucracy has the reputation of killing Jews.
Speaker 1: It would be closer to the truth to say that
Speaker 1: it was the removal of bureaucracy that killed Jews. So
Speaker 1: long as state sovereignty persisted, so did limits and possibilities
Speaker 1: afforded by bureaucracy. In most offices, time is slowed and
Speaker 1: matters are considered, perhaps with the help of practitions or bribes.
Speaker 1: When people in sovereign states beyond Germany wish to be noble,
Speaker 1: bureaucracy provided them with the opportunity to frame their arguments
Speaker 1: on behalf of individual Jews in the pragmatic or patriotic
Speaker 1: terms that employees of the state could understand and endorse.
Speaker 1: The bureaucracies beyond Germany also exhibited the typical tendencies of
Speaker 1: passing the buck, awaiting clear orders from higher authorities, and
Speaker 1: insisting on clarity of expression and proper paperwork. Many of
Speaker 1: the things that make bureaucracies annoying and daily life could
Speaker 1: and did mean survival for Jews. When government's collapse, they
Speaker 1: leave vacuums, and those vacuums are often filled by not
Speaker 1: just another government, by the collected hate and rage of
Speaker 1: the most bigoted citizens in those areas. Is The rise
Speaker 1: of Isis in Iraq is a fantastic example of that.
Speaker 1: The governments in Syria and Iraq had degraded enough that
Speaker 1: a large insurgent force was able to gain purchase, and
Speaker 1: once they were dominant in a region, they just started
Speaker 1: murdering all the groups of people they've been whining about
Speaker 1: for years. Imagine you live somewhere in the Bible Belt,
Speaker 1: a place like Georgia or Oklahoma, or even further south
Speaker 1: in Texas. For some of you, this won't require much imagination.
Speaker 1: Once the fighting starts, once cities are convulsed with protests
Speaker 1: and roads start being bombed and cops start being shot,
Speaker 1: normal order will, as we've discussed, break down. If you
Speaker 1: grew up in that part of the world, the South,
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be hard to imagine that local megachurches would
Speaker 1: slide into help provide order in stability. In other less
Speaker 1: religious areas, forms of libertarian municipalism may take place, as
Speaker 1: we discussed a couple episodes back where there backed by churches,
Speaker 1: local councils, or communes. Most of these autonomous zones will
Speaker 1: be broadly a political focused on the immediate tasks of
Speaker 1: defense and ensuring survival in a decent standard of life.
Speaker 1: Ideology will matter less than getting shipped done on a
Speaker 1: day to day basis. But some parts of this nation
Speaker 1: will be dominated by ideology. And if we're looking at
Speaker 1: extremest ideologies that are already most dominant in the United States,
Speaker 1: we inevitably wind up at Christian fundamentalism. In two thousand seventeen,
Speaker 1: when judge Roy Moore won the Alabama Republican primary, he
Speaker 1: credited God for his win. Now that on its own
Speaker 1: is not so strange. In fact, it's pretty normal. But
Speaker 1: the more you look into Roy Moore, the more his
Speaker 1: version of God looks uncomfortably similar to the God worshiped
Speaker 1: by Isis. I'd like to quote from a scene in
Speaker 1: an article about comments More made while speaking at the
Speaker 1: Open Door Baptist Church about the nine eleven attacks. He
Speaker 1: quoted Isaiah thirty twelve thirteen, which some fundamentalist claim predicted
Speaker 1: the attacks because you have despised his word in trust,
Speaker 1: in perverseness and oppression, and say thereon Therefore, this iniquity
Speaker 1: will be to you as a breach ready to fall,
Speaker 1: swell out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly
Speaker 1: at an instance. After citing this, More said, sounds a
Speaker 1: little bit like the Pentagon, whose breaking came suddenly at
Speaker 1: an instance, doesn't it? If you think that's coincident. If
Speaker 1: you go to verse twenty five, there should be up
Speaker 1: every high mountain, and upon every hill, rivers and streams
Speaker 1: of water in the day of the Great Slaughter, when
Speaker 1: the towers will fall. You know, we've suffered a lot
Speaker 1: in this country, maybe, just maybe because we've distanced ourselves
Speaker 1: from the one that has it within his hands to
Speaker 1: heal this land. A few minutes later into his speech,
Speaker 1: More made it clear how he thought the United States
Speaker 1: had distanced itself from God. We legitimize sodomy and legitimize abortion.
Speaker 1: More obviously lost that congressional race to the Democrat, but
Speaker 1: only barely, and only because it turned out he was
Speaker 1: a serial sexual harasser of young girls, and even then
Speaker 1: he beat the mainstream Republican endorsed by President Trump for
Speaker 1: his primary slot. The scariest thing, however, is that by
Speaker 1: the standards of many prominent Southern Christian nationalists. Roy Moore
Speaker 1: is a moderate. Here's North Carolina Pastor Charles Warley, speaking
Speaker 1: in two thousand twelve. Build up great, big, large, fierce,
Speaker 1: hundred fifth year, a hundred mile long cut all the
Speaker 1: Langmans in there, fly over and drop some food. Do
Speaker 1: the same thing where the Choyers and the homosexuals and
Speaker 1: have that fisce electrified. They can't get out freedom and
Speaker 1: and you know how in a few years they'll die out. Now,
Speaker 1: this speech, of course caused an uproar and drew widespread condemnation.
Speaker 1: But you know what else happened. More than a thousand
Speaker 1: people rallied to support Pastor Warley. He received a standing ovation.
Speaker 1: Here's Preacher Matt Powell, a young want to be Christian
Speaker 1: YouTube personality, speaking in two thousand eighteen. I'm very radical.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people ask me, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people tell me all the time, Oh,
Speaker 1: you're so radical. I'm very I'm very radical Christian, very conservative.
Speaker 1: And you know, I believe that one of the reasons
Speaker 1: that our country is actually going downhill is because the
Speaker 1: conservative Christians are actually being kicked out of the White House,
Speaker 1: you know, and the morals that our country are founded
Speaker 1: on and as far as homosexuality goes, you know, I
Speaker 1: believe the Bible puts the death penalty on it. I
Speaker 1: believe it's I believe it's disgusting. In two thousand seventeen,
Speaker 1: Houston was hit by some apocalyptic floods. Minister Kevin Swanson,
Speaker 1: a piece of ship, blame these floods on gay people,
Speaker 1: saying Houston's very, very aggressively pro homosexual mayor had brought
Speaker 1: God's wrath upon the city. He said this on his
Speaker 1: radio show. Jesus sends the message home. Unless Americans repent,
Speaker 1: unless Houston repents, unless New Orleans repents, they will all
Speaker 1: likewise perish. That is the message that the Lord Jesus
Speaker 1: Christ is sending home right now to America. No, all
Speaker 1: this rhetoric occurred in relatively peaceful, not a war zone America.
Speaker 1: Just think how much more violent the rhetoric and the
Speaker 1: actions of these kinds of people would be in the
Speaker 1: event of a second American Civil War. Gay and trans
Speaker 1: folks are already scapegoat a anytime something terrible happens anywhere
Speaker 1: in this country. If the nation itself was thrown into
Speaker 1: violent turmoil, is it such a stretch to imagine fundamentalists
Speaker 1: deciding God wants them to punish such sinners. A few
Speaker 1: episodes ago, on the episode about how to Save America,
Speaker 1: I played you some excerpts from one of Alex Jones's
Speaker 1: shows where he talked about his belief that the drag
Speaker 1: Queen Story Hour was really just a quoi scheme to
Speaker 1: make it easier for queer people to abduct and abused children.
Speaker 1: Well later in that episode he went further, let a
Speaker 1: child grow a little, have some love, have some parents,
Speaker 1: and be a good little person, and then they can
Speaker 1: get him in a dark pit. Oh and then it's
Speaker 1: so good the energy these demons suck off your child.
Speaker 1: It's so much better than just giving him cancer, because
Speaker 1: you know, the parents are there when the child's dying
Speaker 1: from the cancer from the vaccine, and so they still
Speaker 1: have love, and it's just not as special. But to
Speaker 1: have him in those dungeons all alone, and then all
Speaker 1: the guys in clown off, it's pulled back when Dracula
Speaker 1: comes in and they're licking their lips and they're scared
Speaker 1: of Dracula. A lot of them gotta be used by Dracula,
Speaker 1: and but they're still hoping for a little bit of
Speaker 1: that blood, and then Dracula goes in there and rips
Speaker 1: that child to pieces and drinks that blood and takes
Speaker 1: their guts and just racks it and then leaves. And
Speaker 1: then the vampire minions just run and just lick the
Speaker 1: blood off the altar, lick the blood off the altar.
Speaker 1: And then Dracula's women come in, all the porn stars,
Speaker 1: all the sexy women I want to live forever, and
Speaker 1: they come in and they just eat little pieces of
Speaker 1: their feet and arms. Rabble. That's probably enough of that now,
Speaker 1: just so I'm being completely open, Alex wasn't just implicating
Speaker 1: gay people in the child blood sacrificed thing. He thinks
Speaker 1: the whole Democratic Party is basically complicit in this scheme
Speaker 1: to sacrifice children, but he definitely singles LGBT people out
Speaker 1: as foot soldiers in that effort. Sometime around the fifth century,
Speaker 1: a d a rumor began to spread around the more
Speaker 1: bigoted chunks of Christendom. It claimed that Jewish rabbis would
Speaker 1: semi regularly kidnap and sacrifice Christian children in order to
Speaker 1: consume their blood. Now, this is just literally the wrongest
Speaker 1: to think and be a huge amount of Jewish religious
Speaker 1: law is actually based around the fact that human sacrifice
Speaker 1: is explicitly banned. This is one of the things that
Speaker 1: separated ancient Jews from Pagans. But over the centuries, this
Speaker 1: lie was passed down and spread from nation to nation.
Speaker 1: It became known as the blood Libel. By the time
Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties rolled around, it grew into a powerful
Speaker 1: part of the developing Nazi ethos. As early as nineteen
Speaker 1: twenty six, not the newspaper Der Sturmer wrote lurid stories
Speaker 1: of the blood Libel as a way to convince Germans
Speaker 1: that Jewish people were a direct danger to their children.
Speaker 1: When you believe a group of people is abducting and
Speaker 1: sacrificing literal babies, that makes it a lot easier to
Speaker 1: justify murdering them, doesn't it. Here's Alex Jones one more time.
Speaker 1: You know, vengeance is God's. Vengeance is God's but God
Speaker 1: has instruments of vengeance. That's always a twist to the riddle.
Speaker 1: And Southern globalists expect to try to terrorize us. We're
Speaker 1: not on these poor kids. You got strung out one
Speaker 1: of your dodgeons. We're going to terrorize you now, Jones
Speaker 1: is a nut, clearly, but that's no reason to not
Speaker 1: take his calls for violence seriously. There's horrifying precedent for
Speaker 1: conspiratorial nuts on the radio inciting literal genocide. It happened
Speaker 1: in Rwanda on April six who to President Habiarimana was assassinated.
Speaker 1: This triggered a spasm of unspeakable violence, which led to
Speaker 1: the violent murder of more than eight hundred thousand members
Speaker 1: of the Tutsi ethnic group. Much of this killing did
Speaker 1: not occur at the direction of the government. A huge
Speaker 1: amount of it was spontaneous, and it was all urged
Speaker 1: on by a handful of who to radio personalities who
Speaker 1: directly encourage the violence. I found a Duke University paper
Speaker 1: that analyzed many of the pertinent radio broadcasts. The author,
Speaker 1: Megan Lyon, noted what I found especially interesting about the
Speaker 1: content of these broadcasts was the way in which its
Speaker 1: efforts to direct the extermination of the Tutsi population was
Speaker 1: paralleled by its efforts to claim authority over the telling
Speaker 1: of history. The radio broadcasts reveal a struggle over who
Speaker 1: gets to tell history, and therefore a struggle over a
Speaker 1: monopoly on truth. We don't fight now Alex Jones and
Speaker 1: his followers certainly view themselves is engaged in a struggle
Speaker 1: with the mainstream media you, which they see is holding
Speaker 1: a monopoly on truth. That's why he called his platform
Speaker 1: info Wars. Everyone on this podcast has already heard Jones
Speaker 1: and a number of other figures with sizeable audiences either
Speaker 1: call for violence directly. We'll go right up to the
Speaker 1: edge of calling for violence. The breakdown of order caused
Speaker 1: by a second American Civil War will not make any
Speaker 1: of these people more moderate. That said, I don't think
Speaker 1: you'd see mass murder campaigns against gay people on a
Speaker 1: national scale. Violence would occur in communities where the state
Speaker 1: retreated an extreme fundamentalist militious to cold in suburbs and cities,
Speaker 1: they would round up and execute the people they believed
Speaker 1: were responsible for bringing God's wrath upon the United States.
Speaker 1: It's possible that the federal government, if controlled by a
Speaker 1: right wing regime, would choose to work with some of
Speaker 1: these militias, particularly as the military's manpower shortages became increasingly acute.
Speaker 1: We saw a version of this happen in Iraq during
Speaker 1: the fighting from Mosle, when Sheia militias were allowed to
Speaker 1: fight alongside Iraqi regular army soldiers against the sunny warriors
Speaker 1: of Isis, and of course, anti LGBT bigotry is far
Speaker 1: from the only kind of big tree that exists in
Speaker 1: the United States and that has the potential to be
Speaker 1: a trigger for elimination. As to violence, in the last
Speaker 1: six months, we've seen two different white supremacist terrorists attacks synagogues.
Speaker 1: There may well be another attack by the time this
Speaker 1: episode drops. Anti Semitic violence is as old as Western civilization.
Speaker 1: Much of this podcast is speculative, but one thing we
Speaker 1: can be absolutely objectively certain of is that a sizable
Speaker 1: number of violent people would blame the collapse of the
Speaker 1: United States on the Jews. There would be murders and pograms. However,
Speaker 1: from where I'm sitting, the religious minority who would be
Speaker 1: most threatened by the collapse of order in the US
Speaker 1: are American Muslims. During the two thousand eight campaign, John
Speaker 1: McCain quoted the support of a pastor named Rob Parsley.
Speaker 1: McCain called Parsley, quote one of the truly great leaders
Speaker 1: in America, a moral compass, a spiritual guide. Now, according
Speaker 1: to ABC News, Quote campaign adds positioned Parsley right behind
Speaker 1: McCain for photographers, apparently unconcerned about Parsley's well established denunciations
Speaker 1: of the Islamic faith in a book Silent No More,
Speaker 1: and on DVDs of sermons about Islam. Islam is an
Speaker 1: anti christ religion that attends through violence to conquer the world,
Speaker 1: Parsley says on the DVDs reviewed by ABC News. America
Speaker 1: was founded with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed,
Speaker 1: Parsley says, and I believe September eleventh, two thousand one
Speaker 1: was a generational call to arms that we can no
Speaker 1: longer ignore. Bridget Gabriel is a Lebanese American Christian. She
Speaker 1: founded the organization ACT for America in two thousand eight.
Speaker 1: Today it is the largest anti Muslim organization in the country,
Speaker 1: according to Naples News. The ACT for America website at
Speaker 1: one point read tens of thousands of Islamic militants now
Speaker 1: reside in America, operating in sleeper cells, attending our colleges
Speaker 1: and universities, even infiltrating our government. They are here today,
Speaker 1: many have been here for years, waiting, preparing now. This
Speaker 1: kind of rhetoric is staggeringly similar, and in some cases
Speaker 1: identical to the claims Nazi propagandists made about Jewish people
Speaker 1: in the years leading up to the Holocaust. One central
Speaker 1: Nazi claim was that Jewish Germans could not truly be
Speaker 1: loyal to Germany, they would always be loyal first and
Speaker 1: foremost to Judy. As During one lecture, Bridget Gabriel claimed,
Speaker 1: a Muslim quote cannot be a loyal citizen to the
Speaker 1: United States of America. It's not theoretical to say that
Speaker 1: this sort of language can radicalize people into acts of extermination.
Speaker 1: Six million murdered Jews are proof of where words like
Speaker 1: these can lead given the right circumstances. In two thousand twelve,
Speaker 1: the n r A hosted retired Lieutenant General William Boykin
Speaker 1: at a speech in Saint Louis. General Boykin is on
Speaker 1: the record for claiming that there should be no mosques
Speaker 1: in America. The n r A made him the keynote
Speaker 1: speaker of a prayer breakfast where he stated Islam as
Speaker 1: evil and called it a totalitarian way of life which
Speaker 1: should not be protected under the First Amendment. Now Hispanic
Speaker 1: Americans might be targeted as well. There are already thousands
Speaker 1: of migrants and concentration camps along our southern border. These
Speaker 1: camps are not currently death camps, but people have already
Speaker 1: died in them at a time when the country is
Speaker 1: still stable and wealthy. It is not beyond the pale
Speaker 1: to imagine the government countencing more violence, or at least
Speaker 1: worse conditions for those people as the national situation deteriorates.
Speaker 1: One thing that makes me worry, particularly for the fate
Speaker 1: of Hispanic Americans, is the increase in a very specific
Speaker 1: set of words used by American politicians to describe undocumented immigrants.
Speaker 1: Researchers at the University of Nevada have found that comparisons
Speaker 1: to vermin and viruses have grown markedly more common in
Speaker 1: the language of right wing politicians. They've also shown that
Speaker 1: the use of this language has a distinct dangerous impact quote.
Speaker 1: When these metaphors are present in a news article that immigrants,
Speaker 1: the more participants identify as American, the more disgusted they
Speaker 1: experienced reading the article. As these researchers note, quote media
Speaker 1: can be a powerful shaper of public attitudes towards specific
Speaker 1: social groups. Hitler capitalized on this in Nazi Germany, advocating
Speaker 1: for anti Jewish propaganda in mind comp and creating movies, flyers,
Speaker 1: and other media communications portraying the Jewish people as subhuman,
Speaker 1: as rats or parasites, that is, vermin infiltrating Aryan society.
Speaker 1: Tutsis were routinely called cockroaches leading up to their genocide
Speaker 1: by the Jutuos in Rwanda in nine And then, of course,
Speaker 1: there's the possibility of eliminationist violence against America's black population.
Speaker 1: The history of anti black sentiment in America is literally
Speaker 1: as old as the United States. The history of eliminationist
Speaker 1: anti black rhetoric in this country is thankfully at least
Speaker 1: a little bit shorter, but killers like Dylan Rufe for
Speaker 1: proof that the desire to murder huge numbers of black
Speaker 1: people has grown more common among the fascist rite in
Speaker 1: recent years. I don't see open elimination as violence against
Speaker 1: Black or Hispanic populations by the government as particularly likely,
Speaker 1: but the growing power of white supremacist militias could pose
Speaker 1: an existential threat to large communities of both groups. Ten
Speaker 1: years ago, a large k k k rally might have
Speaker 1: attracted twenty people. Neo Nazi demonstrations tended to be similarly small,
Speaker 1: but today white supremacists and Nazis of all stripes have
Speaker 1: seen huge surges in both their activity and membership over
Speaker 1: the last ten years. According to the Anti Defamation League,
Speaker 1: seventy three percent of all domestic extremist related killings have
Speaker 1: been perpetrated by right wing extremists, compared to twenty three
Speaker 1: point four percent perpetrated by terrorists motivated by Salafi jihadism
Speaker 1: and three point two percent by left wing extremism. The
Speaker 1: Center for Strategic and International Studies says that the number
Speaker 1: of far right terrorist attacks has more than quadrupled from
Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen to two thousand seventeen. We have seen
Speaker 1: that scale of surge in again a period of relative
Speaker 1: prosperity and stability. History shows us these French ideologies will
Speaker 1: become more prevalent and attract more members during times of
Speaker 1: unrest and violence. This is certainly what white supremacists are
Speaker 1: banking on. In two eighteen, their propaganda efforts increased by
Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty two percent, leaping from four hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty one reported incidents of white supremacists propaganda to
Speaker 1: one thousand, one hundred eighty seven over the course of
Speaker 1: a year. Like it or not, the Nazis and their
Speaker 1: ideological kin are growing every year. In the unrest of
Speaker 1: a second American Civil war, we can expect their numbers
Speaker 1: and their body count to leap exponentially. We offer a
Speaker 1: white supremacists full target Muslims and Jewish people, as well
Speaker 1: as black and Hispanic Americans. We know this because they've
Speaker 1: been planning to do so longer than most of you
Speaker 1: listening to this have been alive. In the nineteen eighties,
Speaker 1: a neo Nazi terrorist group called The Order carried out
Speaker 1: a series of daring robberies, netting millions of dollars, which
Speaker 1: was used to fund hate groups and their militias around
Speaker 1: the country. These groups were connected via an early computer
Speaker 1: network and organized mostly by a fellow named Lewis Beam.
Speaker 1: Beam presided over a loose alliance of white supremacists and
Speaker 1: Nazi groups with a shocking amount of access to military
Speaker 1: grade weaponry, including law rockets, grenade launchers, and fully automatic weapons,
Speaker 1: much of it smuggled with them by their compatriots in
Speaker 1: the military before they were only partly exposed and taken down.
Speaker 1: Beam and his comrades were anticipating the collapse of the U.
Speaker 1: S Government and planning what they would do after its fall.
Speaker 1: Here's what Beams said to a group of recruits in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty. We'll set up our own state here and
Speaker 1: announced that all non whites have twenty four hours to leave.
Speaker 1: Lots of them won't believe it or won't believe us
Speaker 1: when we say we'll get rid of them, so we'll
Speaker 1: have to exterminate a lot of them the first time around.
Speaker 1: The biggest threat for genocide I see in the United
Speaker 1: States comes after federal power starts to fall and fall
Speaker 1: back from certain areas. Emboldened racists will see that as
Speaker 1: their opportunity to seize a white homeland, and they will
Speaker 1: not hesitate to exterminate anyone they can. Absent a strong
Speaker 1: military to defend members of these minority groups from violence,
Speaker 1: Well established criminal gangs might well represent the best bulwark
Speaker 1: against the violence of these neo Nazi militias. We talked
Speaker 1: about this a little earlier in the series, the idea
Speaker 1: that gang members might act to raise the temperature due
Speaker 1: to their experience with violence. While gangs are generally vilified,
Speaker 1: often rightly so, a lot of histrionic reporting on their
Speaker 1: crimes ignores the fact that drug dealing and drive by
Speaker 1: shootings aren't the only things these organizations do. Gangs tend
Speaker 1: to be tied rather tightly to communities. Their members have
Speaker 1: deep connections in those communities, and you can bet they
Speaker 1: would rise to defend them from outside violence. Now, when
Speaker 1: most Americans hear the word gang, they probably think about
Speaker 1: m S. Thirteen, the Crips, or the Bloods. But for
Speaker 1: the purpose of this discussion, I think a much more
Speaker 1: relevant gang is the almighty Black Peace Stone Nation. The
Speaker 1: black Stone Nation or black Stone Rangers that they're often called,
Speaker 1: started out as a normal street gang in Chicago in
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties. They have since spread to several other
Speaker 1: cities and are reputed to have as many as a
Speaker 1: hundred thousand members nationwide. That makes them a vastly larger
Speaker 1: force than any militia. The black Stone Nation is an
Speaker 1: incredibly complicated group, and I will not be able to
Speaker 1: do their history justice in this podcast. It's important you
Speaker 1: know that while they are a gang, they get up
Speaker 1: to a hell of a lot more than just you know, crimes.
Speaker 1: We've talked quite a bit in this podcast about the
Speaker 1: Great Uprising that occurred after Martin Luther King Junior's assassination
Speaker 1: in April of nineteen sixty eight. But we haven't yet
Speaker 1: discussed is how much worse it might have been if
Speaker 1: not for the black Stone Rangers. In two Fiery Days,
Speaker 1: Chicago's West Side was convulsed by vicious rioting. The same
Speaker 1: sort of violence was not, however, seen on the South
Speaker 1: Side of Chicago, even though, according to the song Bad
Speaker 1: Bad Le Roy Brown, it is the baddest part of town.
Speaker 1: The Chicago Tribune explains why things there stayed peaceful quote
Speaker 1: out of the public eye. Police relied on South Side
Speaker 1: gangs to keep the peace. According to retired police lieutenant
Speaker 1: Bob Angne, the Blackstone Rangers held up their end of
Speaker 1: the bargain, stopping a mob of people from rocking buses
Speaker 1: of students at Mount Carmel High School and gone remembers.
Speaker 1: The gang also told businesses to whitewash their windows with
Speaker 1: messages like the King is Dead or Long Live the
Speaker 1: King for protection. The overwhelming majority of Southside was spared
Speaker 1: because of those Stones. Angn said, I don't know if
Speaker 1: history will ever give them credit. This podcast will give
Speaker 1: them credit, Bob, because the Blackstone Rangers and other gangs
Speaker 1: like them represent a sizable force in American society That
Speaker 1: act might act in defense of at least some vulnerable
Speaker 1: minority communities if racist militias decide to try their hands
Speaker 1: at some genocide. American gangs have also spent much of
Speaker 1: the less several decades in filtrading the U. S. Military
Speaker 1: for much the same reason neo Nazis do. They want
Speaker 1: the kind of combat and weapons training that only the
Speaker 1: military can prove wide. There's actually good reason to believe
Speaker 1: these guys would kind of wipe the floor with any
Speaker 1: white nationalist militias they came across. For one thing, Most
Speaker 1: of the large neo Nazi and fascist groups we've seen
Speaker 1: rise up in the last few years have been, for
Speaker 1: lack of a better word, caddie. They are filled with
Speaker 1: in fighting and drama fit for the lamest of soap operas. Explicitly,
Speaker 1: criminal gangs tend to deal with much greater threat from
Speaker 1: law enforcement, and by necessity, there are a lot better
Speaker 1: and a lot more experienced at functioning on a large
Speaker 1: scale and a disciplined and effective manner. I'm also going
Speaker 1: to guess that more gang members have firsthand experience with
Speaker 1: armed violence than white supremacist militia members. In some ways,
Speaker 1: the Civil War would just be an escalation of the
Speaker 1: violence that's gone on for years. Crips and Bloods and
Speaker 1: Blackstone Rangers squaring off against new forged armies of white
Speaker 1: nationalist and neo Nazi militiamen, many of them led by
Speaker 1: Aryan Nations members, who would by default be some of
Speaker 1: the most experienced fighters that side had available. It would
Speaker 1: be bloody, nightmarish, But in some ways, the people who
Speaker 1: live in areas with strong gang presences would be hockey
Speaker 1: without the state's protection, and in a nation filled with
Speaker 1: violent racist paramilitaries, the alternative might literally be annihilation. We'll
Speaker 1: be shoving at the bit awesome, We're going at the
Speaker 1: winter come back and we all gonna flood on coming.
Speaker 1: Who's gonna build that arc? Learning from the top down,
Speaker 1: we so see that ash we're in. Put a Sparkus
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Speaker 1: Gutaway match like Sprake Getaway match, Wain Sparka starts it
Speaker 1: le Frake getaway a match, Lex Freak Gutiaway match like
Speaker 1: ske Getting Bay match. Wait for a Spark starts and
Speaker 1: Break Anyway match Lex Frank Anyway match by match spot match.
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