1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: We often talk about the system in purely negative terms. 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:08,719 Speaker 1: This is actually a thing the left and the right 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: seemed to share. In America. Only the ever vanishing center 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: expresses much faith in the system. And even then you 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: won't find a lot of folks who will happily cheer 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: the bureaucracy that runs so much of our government. It's slow, unwieldy, 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: my opoic at best, and heartlessly inhuman at its worst. 8 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,159 Speaker 1: To increasing numbers of Americans, the system is one of 9 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: the great evils of our modern era. The American militia 10 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: movement was first incited by Ruby Ridge and the burning 11 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: of the Branch Davidian compounded Waco. But rather than laying 12 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: blame on specific individuals and the bad choices they made, 13 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: many Americans blamed the federal government as a monolithic entity. 14 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: Tim McVeigh didn't bomb the A. T. F S Headquarters 15 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 1: or the Pentagon, or try to assassinate a bunch of congressmen. 16 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: He bombed a federal building. Even if you aren't actively 17 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: cleaning a gun and your bunker, laughing to yourself at 18 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: how I'm surely a stooge of the New World Order. 19 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: Your view of bureaucracy as unlikely to be a charitable one. 20 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: I'm not going to defend to say the FBI or 21 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: even the d m V here. I've got issues with 22 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: both organizations myself, and as somebody with libertarian anarchistic tendencies, 23 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: I've always been hesitant to give any credit to bureaucracy. 24 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: But then I read a book called Black Earth by 25 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: Timothy D. Snyder. He's a professor of history at Yale 26 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: University and his specialty is the Holocaust. Professor Snyder is 27 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,639 Speaker 1: hands down one of the greatest minds in his field. 28 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: His work is impeccably researched, in mind bogglingly thorough, and 29 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: in Black Earth, he argues that bureaucracy did more than 30 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: just about anything else to save lives during the Holocaust. 31 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: During his research, Professor Snyder found that the Jewish communities 32 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: that saw the most complete eradication in Europe were the 33 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: ones and locations that suffered from what he calls double 34 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: state destruction. I e. Poland was conquered by the Nazis 35 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: and the Soviets. They basically split it down the middle, 36 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: so the Polish state was destroyed. Then Germany invaded and 37 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: wiped out the Soviet government in Poland, so the state 38 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: was destroyed twice. According to Professor Snyder quote, Germans found 39 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: the conditions where one could do as one pleased, where 40 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: they could kill Jews in large numbers for the first 41 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: time in nineteen forty one, as they invaded the Soviet Union. 42 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: It was in the zone of double occupation where Soviet 43 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: rule preceded German, where the Soviet destruction of interwar states 44 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: was followed by German annihilation of Soviet institutions, that a 45 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: final solution took shape. Almost all of the two million 46 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: or so Jews who came under German rule in nineteen 47 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: thirty nine would die. The same was true of the 48 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: two million Jews who came under Soviet rule in nineteen 49 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: thirty nine and nineteen forty. Indeed, the Jews who initially 50 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: fell under Soviet rule were the first to be murdered 51 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: on Moss by the Germans. France, on the other hand, 52 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: didn't really have its state destroyed. The Germans took over, 53 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: but a lot of the underlying bureaucracy was left in 54 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: place because it would have been just way too much 55 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: trouble to rebuild from the ground up, and this left 56 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: the Jews and other targeted minority groups in France with 57 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: more options. According to Snyder quote, sidisanship in modern states 58 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: means access to bureaucracy. Bureaucracy has the reputation of killing Jews. 59 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: It would be closer to the truth to say that 60 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: it was the removal of bureaucracy that killed Jews. So 61 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: long as state sovereignty persisted, so did limits and possibilities 62 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: afforded by bureaucracy. In most offices, time is slowed and 63 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: matters are considered, perhaps with the help of practitions or bribes. 64 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: When people in sovereign states beyond Germany wish to be noble, 65 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: bureaucracy provided them with the opportunity to frame their arguments 66 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: on behalf of individual Jews in the pragmatic or patriotic 67 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: terms that employees of the state could understand and endorse. 68 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: The bureaucracies beyond Germany also exhibited the typical tendencies of 69 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: passing the buck, awaiting clear orders from higher authorities, and 70 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: insisting on clarity of expression and proper paperwork. Many of 71 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: the things that make bureaucracies annoying and daily life could 72 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: and did mean survival for Jews. When government's collapse, they 73 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: leave vacuums, and those vacuums are often filled by not 74 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: just another government, by the collected hate and rage of 75 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: the most bigoted citizens in those areas. Is The rise 76 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: of Isis in Iraq is a fantastic example of that. 77 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: The governments in Syria and Iraq had degraded enough that 78 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: a large insurgent force was able to gain purchase, and 79 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: once they were dominant in a region, they just started 80 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: murdering all the groups of people they've been whining about 81 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: for years. Imagine you live somewhere in the Bible Belt, 82 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 1: a place like Georgia or Oklahoma, or even further south 83 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: in Texas. For some of you, this won't require much imagination. 84 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: Once the fighting starts, once cities are convulsed with protests 85 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: and roads start being bombed and cops start being shot, 86 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: normal order will, as we've discussed, break down. If you 87 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: grew up in that part of the world, the South, 88 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: it shouldn't be hard to imagine that local megachurches would 89 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: slide into help provide order in stability. In other less 90 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: religious areas, forms of libertarian municipalism may take place, as 91 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: we discussed a couple episodes back where there backed by churches, 92 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: local councils, or communes. Most of these autonomous zones will 93 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: be broadly a political focused on the immediate tasks of 94 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: defense and ensuring survival in a decent standard of life. 95 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: Ideology will matter less than getting shipped done on a 96 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: day to day basis. But some parts of this nation 97 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: will be dominated by ideology. And if we're looking at 98 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: extremest ideologies that are already most dominant in the United States, 99 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: we inevitably wind up at Christian fundamentalism. In two thousand seventeen, 100 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: when judge Roy Moore won the Alabama Republican primary, he 101 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: credited God for his win. Now that on its own 102 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: is not so strange. In fact, it's pretty normal. But 103 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: the more you look into Roy Moore, the more his 104 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: version of God looks uncomfortably similar to the God worshiped 105 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: by Isis. I'd like to quote from a scene in 106 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: an article about comments More made while speaking at the 107 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: Open Door Baptist Church about the nine eleven attacks. He 108 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: quoted Isaiah thirty twelve thirteen, which some fundamentalist claim predicted 109 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: the attacks because you have despised his word in trust, 110 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: in perverseness and oppression, and say thereon Therefore, this iniquity 111 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: will be to you as a breach ready to fall, 112 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: swell out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly 113 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: at an instance. After citing this, More said, sounds a 114 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: little bit like the Pentagon, whose breaking came suddenly at 115 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: an instance, doesn't it? If you think that's coincident. If 116 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: you go to verse twenty five, there should be up 117 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: every high mountain, and upon every hill, rivers and streams 118 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: of water in the day of the Great Slaughter, when 119 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: the towers will fall. You know, we've suffered a lot 120 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: in this country, maybe, just maybe because we've distanced ourselves 121 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: from the one that has it within his hands to 122 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: heal this land. A few minutes later into his speech, 123 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: More made it clear how he thought the United States 124 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: had distanced itself from God. We legitimize sodomy and legitimize abortion. 125 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: More obviously lost that congressional race to the Democrat, but 126 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: only barely, and only because it turned out he was 127 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: a serial sexual harasser of young girls, and even then 128 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: he beat the mainstream Republican endorsed by President Trump for 129 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: his primary slot. The scariest thing, however, is that by 130 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: the standards of many prominent Southern Christian nationalists. Roy Moore 131 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: is a moderate. Here's North Carolina Pastor Charles Warley, speaking 132 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: in two thousand twelve. Build up great, big, large, fierce, 133 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: hundred fifth year, a hundred mile long cut all the 134 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: Langmans in there, fly over and drop some food. Do 135 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: the same thing where the Choyers and the homosexuals and 136 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: have that fisce electrified. They can't get out freedom and 137 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: and you know how in a few years they'll die out. Now, 138 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: this speech, of course caused an uproar and drew widespread condemnation. 139 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: But you know what else happened. More than a thousand 140 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: people rallied to support Pastor Warley. He received a standing ovation. 141 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: Here's Preacher Matt Powell, a young want to be Christian 142 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: YouTube personality, speaking in two thousand eighteen. I'm very radical. 143 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people ask me, you know, 144 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people tell me all the time, Oh, 145 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: you're so radical. I'm very I'm very radical Christian, very conservative. 146 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: And you know, I believe that one of the reasons 147 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: that our country is actually going downhill is because the 148 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: conservative Christians are actually being kicked out of the White House, 149 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: you know, and the morals that our country are founded 150 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: on and as far as homosexuality goes, you know, I 151 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: believe the Bible puts the death penalty on it. I 152 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: believe it's I believe it's disgusting. In two thousand seventeen, 153 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: Houston was hit by some apocalyptic floods. Minister Kevin Swanson, 154 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,679 Speaker 1: a piece of ship, blame these floods on gay people, 155 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: saying Houston's very, very aggressively pro homosexual mayor had brought 156 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: God's wrath upon the city. He said this on his 157 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: radio show. Jesus sends the message home. Unless Americans repent, 158 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: unless Houston repents, unless New Orleans repents, they will all 159 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: likewise perish. That is the message that the Lord Jesus 160 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: Christ is sending home right now to America. No, all 161 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: this rhetoric occurred in relatively peaceful, not a war zone America. 162 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: Just think how much more violent the rhetoric and the 163 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: actions of these kinds of people would be in the 164 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: event of a second American Civil War. Gay and trans 165 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: folks are already scapegoat a anytime something terrible happens anywhere 166 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: in this country. If the nation itself was thrown into 167 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,719 Speaker 1: violent turmoil, is it such a stretch to imagine fundamentalists 168 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 1: deciding God wants them to punish such sinners. A few 169 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: episodes ago, on the episode about how to Save America, 170 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: I played you some excerpts from one of Alex Jones's 171 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: shows where he talked about his belief that the drag 172 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: Queen Story Hour was really just a quoi scheme to 173 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: make it easier for queer people to abduct and abused children. 174 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: Well later in that episode he went further, let a 175 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: child grow a little, have some love, have some parents, 176 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: and be a good little person, and then they can 177 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: get him in a dark pit. Oh and then it's 178 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: so good the energy these demons suck off your child. 179 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: It's so much better than just giving him cancer, because 180 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: you know, the parents are there when the child's dying 181 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: from the cancer from the vaccine, and so they still 182 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: have love, and it's just not as special. But to 183 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: have him in those dungeons all alone, and then all 184 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: the guys in clown off, it's pulled back when Dracula 185 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: comes in and they're licking their lips and they're scared 186 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: of Dracula. A lot of them gotta be used by Dracula, 187 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: and but they're still hoping for a little bit of 188 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: that blood, and then Dracula goes in there and rips 189 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: that child to pieces and drinks that blood and takes 190 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: their guts and just racks it and then leaves. And 191 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: then the vampire minions just run and just lick the 192 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: blood off the altar, lick the blood off the altar. 193 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: And then Dracula's women come in, all the porn stars, 194 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: all the sexy women I want to live forever, and 195 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: they come in and they just eat little pieces of 196 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: their feet and arms. Rabble. That's probably enough of that now, 197 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: just so I'm being completely open, Alex wasn't just implicating 198 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: gay people in the child blood sacrificed thing. He thinks 199 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: the whole Democratic Party is basically complicit in this scheme 200 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: to sacrifice children, but he definitely singles LGBT people out 201 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: as foot soldiers in that effort. Sometime around the fifth century, 202 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: a d a rumor began to spread around the more 203 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: bigoted chunks of Christendom. It claimed that Jewish rabbis would 204 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: semi regularly kidnap and sacrifice Christian children in order to 205 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: consume their blood. Now, this is just literally the wrongest 206 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: to think and be a huge amount of Jewish religious 207 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: law is actually based around the fact that human sacrifice 208 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: is explicitly banned. This is one of the things that 209 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: separated ancient Jews from Pagans. But over the centuries, this 210 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: lie was passed down and spread from nation to nation. 211 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: It became known as the blood Libel. By the time 212 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties rolled around, it grew into a powerful 213 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: part of the developing Nazi ethos. As early as nineteen 214 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: twenty six, not the newspaper Der Sturmer wrote lurid stories 215 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: of the blood Libel as a way to convince Germans 216 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: that Jewish people were a direct danger to their children. 217 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: When you believe a group of people is abducting and 218 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: sacrificing literal babies, that makes it a lot easier to 219 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: justify murdering them, doesn't it. Here's Alex Jones one more time. 220 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: You know, vengeance is God's. Vengeance is God's but God 221 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: has instruments of vengeance. That's always a twist to the riddle. 222 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: And Southern globalists expect to try to terrorize us. We're 223 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: not on these poor kids. You got strung out one 224 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: of your dodgeons. We're going to terrorize you now, Jones 225 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: is a nut, clearly, but that's no reason to not 226 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: take his calls for violence seriously. There's horrifying precedent for 227 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: conspiratorial nuts on the radio inciting literal genocide. It happened 228 00:11:55,720 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: in Rwanda on April six who to President Habiarimana was assassinated. 229 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: This triggered a spasm of unspeakable violence, which led to 230 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: the violent murder of more than eight hundred thousand members 231 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: of the Tutsi ethnic group. Much of this killing did 232 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: not occur at the direction of the government. A huge 233 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: amount of it was spontaneous, and it was all urged 234 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: on by a handful of who to radio personalities who 235 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: directly encourage the violence. I found a Duke University paper 236 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: that analyzed many of the pertinent radio broadcasts. The author, 237 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: Megan Lyon, noted what I found especially interesting about the 238 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: content of these broadcasts was the way in which its 239 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: efforts to direct the extermination of the Tutsi population was 240 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: paralleled by its efforts to claim authority over the telling 241 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: of history. The radio broadcasts reveal a struggle over who 242 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: gets to tell history, and therefore a struggle over a 243 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: monopoly on truth. We don't fight now Alex Jones and 244 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: his followers certainly view themselves is engaged in a struggle 245 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: with the mainstream media you, which they see is holding 246 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: a monopoly on truth. That's why he called his platform 247 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: info Wars. Everyone on this podcast has already heard Jones 248 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: and a number of other figures with sizeable audiences either 249 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: call for violence directly. We'll go right up to the 250 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: edge of calling for violence. The breakdown of order caused 251 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: by a second American Civil War will not make any 252 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: of these people more moderate. That said, I don't think 253 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: you'd see mass murder campaigns against gay people on a 254 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: national scale. Violence would occur in communities where the state 255 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: retreated an extreme fundamentalist militious to cold in suburbs and cities, 256 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: they would round up and execute the people they believed 257 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: were responsible for bringing God's wrath upon the United States. 258 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: It's possible that the federal government, if controlled by a 259 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: right wing regime, would choose to work with some of 260 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 1: these militias, particularly as the military's manpower shortages became increasingly acute. 261 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: We saw a version of this happen in Iraq during 262 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: the fighting from Mosle, when Sheia militias were allowed to 263 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: fight alongside Iraqi regular army soldiers against the sunny warriors 264 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: of Isis, and of course, anti LGBT bigotry is far 265 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 1: from the only kind of big tree that exists in 266 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: the United States and that has the potential to be 267 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: a trigger for elimination. As to violence, in the last 268 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: six months, we've seen two different white supremacist terrorists attacks synagogues. 269 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: There may well be another attack by the time this 270 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: episode drops. Anti Semitic violence is as old as Western civilization. 271 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: Much of this podcast is speculative, but one thing we 272 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: can be absolutely objectively certain of is that a sizable 273 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: number of violent people would blame the collapse of the 274 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: United States on the Jews. There would be murders and pograms. However, 275 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: from where I'm sitting, the religious minority who would be 276 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: most threatened by the collapse of order in the US 277 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: are American Muslims. During the two thousand eight campaign, John 278 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: McCain quoted the support of a pastor named Rob Parsley. 279 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: McCain called Parsley, quote one of the truly great leaders 280 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: in America, a moral compass, a spiritual guide. Now, according 281 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: to ABC News, Quote campaign adds positioned Parsley right behind 282 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: McCain for photographers, apparently unconcerned about Parsley's well established denunciations 283 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: of the Islamic faith in a book Silent No More, 284 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: and on DVDs of sermons about Islam. Islam is an 285 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: anti christ religion that attends through violence to conquer the world, 286 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: Parsley says on the DVDs reviewed by ABC News. America 287 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: was founded with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed, 288 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: Parsley says, and I believe September eleventh, two thousand one 289 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: was a generational call to arms that we can no 290 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: longer ignore. Bridget Gabriel is a Lebanese American Christian. She 291 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: founded the organization ACT for America in two thousand eight. 292 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: Today it is the largest anti Muslim organization in the country, 293 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: according to Naples News. The ACT for America website at 294 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: one point read tens of thousands of Islamic militants now 295 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: reside in America, operating in sleeper cells, attending our colleges 296 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: and universities, even infiltrating our government. They are here today, 297 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: many have been here for years, waiting, preparing now. This 298 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: kind of rhetoric is staggeringly similar, and in some cases 299 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: identical to the claims Nazi propagandists made about Jewish people 300 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: in the years leading up to the Holocaust. One central 301 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: Nazi claim was that Jewish Germans could not truly be 302 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: loyal to Germany, they would always be loyal first and 303 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: foremost to Judy. As During one lecture, Bridget Gabriel claimed, 304 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: a Muslim quote cannot be a loyal citizen to the 305 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: United States of America. It's not theoretical to say that 306 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: this sort of language can radicalize people into acts of extermination. 307 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: Six million murdered Jews are proof of where words like 308 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: these can lead given the right circumstances. In two thousand twelve, 309 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: the n r A hosted retired Lieutenant General William Boykin 310 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: at a speech in Saint Louis. General Boykin is on 311 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: the record for claiming that there should be no mosques 312 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: in America. The n r A made him the keynote 313 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: speaker of a prayer breakfast where he stated Islam as 314 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: evil and called it a totalitarian way of life which 315 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: should not be protected under the First Amendment. Now Hispanic 316 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: Americans might be targeted as well. There are already thousands 317 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: of migrants and concentration camps along our southern border. These 318 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: camps are not currently death camps, but people have already 319 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: died in them at a time when the country is 320 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: still stable and wealthy. It is not beyond the pale 321 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: to imagine the government countencing more violence, or at least 322 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: worse conditions for those people as the national situation deteriorates. 323 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: One thing that makes me worry, particularly for the fate 324 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: of Hispanic Americans, is the increase in a very specific 325 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: set of words used by American politicians to describe undocumented immigrants. 326 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,719 Speaker 1: Researchers at the University of Nevada have found that comparisons 327 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: to vermin and viruses have grown markedly more common in 328 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: the language of right wing politicians. They've also shown that 329 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: the use of this language has a distinct dangerous impact quote. 330 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 1: When these metaphors are present in a news article that immigrants, 331 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: the more participants identify as American, the more disgusted they 332 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: experienced reading the article. As these researchers note, quote media 333 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: can be a powerful shaper of public attitudes towards specific 334 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: social groups. Hitler capitalized on this in Nazi Germany, advocating 335 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: for anti Jewish propaganda in mind comp and creating movies, flyers, 336 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: and other media communications portraying the Jewish people as subhuman, 337 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: as rats or parasites, that is, vermin infiltrating Aryan society. 338 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: Tutsis were routinely called cockroaches leading up to their genocide 339 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: by the Jutuos in Rwanda in nine And then, of course, 340 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: there's the possibility of eliminationist violence against America's black population. 341 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: The history of anti black sentiment in America is literally 342 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: as old as the United States. The history of eliminationist 343 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: anti black rhetoric in this country is thankfully at least 344 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: a little bit shorter, but killers like Dylan Rufe for 345 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: proof that the desire to murder huge numbers of black 346 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: people has grown more common among the fascist rite in 347 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: recent years. I don't see open elimination as violence against 348 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 1: Black or Hispanic populations by the government as particularly likely, 349 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: but the growing power of white supremacist militias could pose 350 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: an existential threat to large communities of both groups. Ten 351 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: years ago, a large k k k rally might have 352 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: attracted twenty people. Neo Nazi demonstrations tended to be similarly small, 353 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: but today white supremacists and Nazis of all stripes have 354 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 1: seen huge surges in both their activity and membership over 355 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: the last ten years. According to the Anti Defamation League, 356 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: seventy three percent of all domestic extremist related killings have 357 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: been perpetrated by right wing extremists, compared to twenty three 358 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: point four percent perpetrated by terrorists motivated by Salafi jihadism 359 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: and three point two percent by left wing extremism. The 360 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: Center for Strategic and International Studies says that the number 361 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: of far right terrorist attacks has more than quadrupled from 362 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen to two thousand seventeen. We have seen 363 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 1: that scale of surge in again a period of relative 364 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: prosperity and stability. History shows us these French ideologies will 365 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: become more prevalent and attract more members during times of 366 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: unrest and violence. This is certainly what white supremacists are 367 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: banking on. In two eighteen, their propaganda efforts increased by 368 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty two percent, leaping from four hundred 369 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: and twenty one reported incidents of white supremacists propaganda to 370 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: one thousand, one hundred eighty seven over the course of 371 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,719 Speaker 1: a year. Like it or not, the Nazis and their 372 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: ideological kin are growing every year. In the unrest of 373 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: a second American Civil war, we can expect their numbers 374 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: and their body count to leap exponentially. We offer a 375 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: white supremacists full target Muslims and Jewish people, as well 376 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: as black and Hispanic Americans. We know this because they've 377 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 1: been planning to do so longer than most of you 378 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: listening to this have been alive. In the nineteen eighties, 379 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: a neo Nazi terrorist group called The Order carried out 380 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: a series of daring robberies, netting millions of dollars, which 381 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: was used to fund hate groups and their militias around 382 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: the country. These groups were connected via an early computer 383 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: network and organized mostly by a fellow named Lewis Beam. 384 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: Beam presided over a loose alliance of white supremacists and 385 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: Nazi groups with a shocking amount of access to military 386 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: grade weaponry, including law rockets, grenade launchers, and fully automatic weapons, 387 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: much of it smuggled with them by their compatriots in 388 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: the military before they were only partly exposed and taken down. 389 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: Beam and his comrades were anticipating the collapse of the U. 390 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: S Government and planning what they would do after its fall. 391 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: Here's what Beams said to a group of recruits in 392 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty. We'll set up our own state here and 393 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: announced that all non whites have twenty four hours to leave. 394 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: Lots of them won't believe it or won't believe us 395 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: when we say we'll get rid of them, so we'll 396 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: have to exterminate a lot of them the first time around. 397 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: The biggest threat for genocide I see in the United 398 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: States comes after federal power starts to fall and fall 399 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 1: back from certain areas. Emboldened racists will see that as 400 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: their opportunity to seize a white homeland, and they will 401 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: not hesitate to exterminate anyone they can. Absent a strong 402 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 1: military to defend members of these minority groups from violence, 403 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: Well established criminal gangs might well represent the best bulwark 404 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: against the violence of these neo Nazi militias. We talked 405 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: about this a little earlier in the series, the idea 406 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,719 Speaker 1: that gang members might act to raise the temperature due 407 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: to their experience with violence. While gangs are generally vilified, 408 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,719 Speaker 1: often rightly so, a lot of histrionic reporting on their 409 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: crimes ignores the fact that drug dealing and drive by 410 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: shootings aren't the only things these organizations do. Gangs tend 411 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: to be tied rather tightly to communities. Their members have 412 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 1: deep connections in those communities, and you can bet they 413 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: would rise to defend them from outside violence. Now, when 414 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: most Americans hear the word gang, they probably think about 415 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: m S. Thirteen, the Crips, or the Bloods. But for 416 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: the purpose of this discussion, I think a much more 417 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: relevant gang is the almighty Black Peace Stone Nation. The 418 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: black Stone Nation or black Stone Rangers that they're often called, 419 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: started out as a normal street gang in Chicago in 420 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties. They have since spread to several other 421 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: cities and are reputed to have as many as a 422 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: hundred thousand members nationwide. That makes them a vastly larger 423 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: force than any militia. The black Stone Nation is an 424 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: incredibly complicated group, and I will not be able to 425 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: do their history justice in this podcast. It's important you 426 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: know that while they are a gang, they get up 427 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: to a hell of a lot more than just you know, crimes. 428 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: We've talked quite a bit in this podcast about the 429 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: Great Uprising that occurred after Martin Luther King Junior's assassination 430 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: in April of nineteen sixty eight. But we haven't yet 431 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 1: discussed is how much worse it might have been if 432 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: not for the black Stone Rangers. In two Fiery Days, 433 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: Chicago's West Side was convulsed by vicious rioting. The same 434 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: sort of violence was not, however, seen on the South 435 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: Side of Chicago, even though, according to the song Bad 436 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: Bad Le Roy Brown, it is the baddest part of town. 437 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: The Chicago Tribune explains why things there stayed peaceful quote 438 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: out of the public eye. Police relied on South Side 439 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: gangs to keep the peace. According to retired police lieutenant 440 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: Bob Angne, the Blackstone Rangers held up their end of 441 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 1: the bargain, stopping a mob of people from rocking buses 442 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: of students at Mount Carmel High School and gone remembers. 443 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: The gang also told businesses to whitewash their windows with 444 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: messages like the King is Dead or Long Live the 445 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: King for protection. The overwhelming majority of Southside was spared 446 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: because of those Stones. Angn said, I don't know if 447 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,959 Speaker 1: history will ever give them credit. This podcast will give 448 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: them credit, Bob, because the Blackstone Rangers and other gangs 449 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: like them represent a sizable force in American society That 450 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: act might act in defense of at least some vulnerable 451 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: minority communities if racist militias decide to try their hands 452 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: at some genocide. American gangs have also spent much of 453 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: the less several decades in filtrading the U. S. Military 454 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 1: for much the same reason neo Nazis do. They want 455 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: the kind of combat and weapons training that only the 456 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: military can prove wide. There's actually good reason to believe 457 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: these guys would kind of wipe the floor with any 458 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: white nationalist militias they came across. For one thing, Most 459 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: of the large neo Nazi and fascist groups we've seen 460 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: rise up in the last few years have been, for 461 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 1: lack of a better word, caddie. They are filled with 462 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: in fighting and drama fit for the lamest of soap operas. Explicitly, 463 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: criminal gangs tend to deal with much greater threat from 464 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: law enforcement, and by necessity, there are a lot better 465 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: and a lot more experienced at functioning on a large 466 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: scale and a disciplined and effective manner. I'm also going 467 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: to guess that more gang members have firsthand experience with 468 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: armed violence than white supremacist militia members. In some ways, 469 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: the Civil War would just be an escalation of the 470 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: violence that's gone on for years. Crips and Bloods and 471 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: Blackstone Rangers squaring off against new forged armies of white 472 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: nationalist and neo Nazi militiamen, many of them led by 473 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: Aryan Nations members, who would by default be some of 474 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: the most experienced fighters that side had available. It would 475 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: be bloody, nightmarish, But in some ways, the people who 476 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: live in areas with strong gang presences would be hockey 477 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: without the state's protection, and in a nation filled with 478 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: violent racist paramilitaries, the alternative might literally be annihilation. We'll 479 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: be shoving at the bit awesome, We're going at the 480 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: winter come back and we all gonna flood on coming. 481 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: Who's gonna build that arc? Learning from the top down, 482 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: we so see that ash we're in. Put a Sparkus 483 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: starts and let a strike ataway match Lex s break 484 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: Gutaway match like Sprake Getaway match, Wain Sparka starts it 485 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 1: le Frake getaway a match, Lex Freak Gutiaway match like 486 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: ske Getting Bay match. Wait for a Spark starts and 487 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: Break Anyway match Lex Frank Anyway match by match spot match. 488 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans and I'm just exhausted from reading all 489 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: of that. You can find me on Twitter at I right, okay. 490 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: You can find this show on Twitter at happen here Pod, 491 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: and you can find the show online at it Could 492 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: Have and here pod dot com. Our music, as always, 493 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: is from four Fists