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I 17 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: said it would take some courage. But if the Giants 18 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: end up with a number one pick, Jackson dartist better 19 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: than I thought he would be. I thought he was 20 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: a second round quarterback, but not bad. But Lane Kiffin 21 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: Charlie Weiss helped. He's I think he's grown very quickly. 22 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: I can live with some of the blue tent stuff. 23 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: He's young, learning the game, but Mendoza feels like a 24 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: much higher grade, bigger guy. 25 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 3: If you ran the. 26 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: New York Giants and Mendoza is there, knowing Todd, and 27 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: I'll throw this out, Todd, knowing that the NIL is 28 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: keeping a lot of these college quarterbacks out of the 29 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: pros for a year, would you take Mendoza or stay 30 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: with Jackson Dart. 31 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 4: I would stay with Jackson Dart. Here's what I would do, 32 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 4: perfect world. Right, You've got the Raiders. If the draft 33 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 4: were today, You've got the Raiders sitting at two. Think 34 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 4: you've got Cleveland at four, the Jets at five, and 35 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 4: the Rams at ten, all teams that are in the 36 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 4: quarterback market, probably the Rams least of but they've got 37 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 4: a second first round pick in twenty twenty six last year. 38 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 4: By making that move in preparation of finding this successor 39 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 4: to Matthew Stafford, maybe we're not there yet, right, so 40 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 4: I could see them moving around to try to get 41 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 4: another pick in twenty twenty seven. That twenty twenty seven draft, 42 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 4: with arch Manning Julian saying, we'll see about Dante Moore 43 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 4: from Oregon, We'll see about Ty Simpson from Alabama. 44 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,679 Speaker 2: After the playoff for both of those guys. 45 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 4: And you add a host of Leonora's sellers going back 46 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 4: to school at South Carolina, there's a bunch of quarterbacks 47 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 4: next year. It could be one of the deepest best 48 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 4: drafts of the quarterback position and wide receiver since I've 49 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 4: been doing this, okay, And so without all of that 50 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 4: in mind, you're sitting at one, and maybe it's just 51 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 4: Mendoza in the first round, or maybe it's Mendoza and 52 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 4: Dante Moore or Mendoza and Ty Simpson. 53 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,119 Speaker 2: The demand is always higher. 54 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 4: At the quarterback position than the supply, but it certainly 55 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 4: will be this year. So what I would do if 56 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 4: I were the Giants and it played out where we 57 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 4: wind up having the first overall pick, I'm getting a 58 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 4: ransom for it because the teams I mentioned, not the 59 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 4: Raiders that are sitting at too, but the teams that 60 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 4: want to get ahead of them, the Browns two first 61 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 4: round picks, the Jets two first round picks, and compensation 62 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,119 Speaker 4: next year. So you're going to wind up with compensation 63 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 4: that you normally wouldn't get, probably and try to utilize 64 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 4: that to get an additional pick next year, where hopefully 65 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 4: you're just looking for a wide receiver and another position player. 66 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 4: But if you need to after a second season with 67 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 4: Jackson Dart and if the injuries start to add up 68 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 4: and there's concern about it, then you can pull the 69 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 4: trigger on that. But I saw too much out of 70 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 4: Jackson Dart. I'm a bigger fan than I was a 71 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 4: bigger fan coming out of school of Jackson Dart than 72 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 4: you were, so I kind of was expecting to see 73 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 4: some of the positives. But they're clearly, like the book 74 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 4: isn't closed that he's definitively the guy for the next decade. 75 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 4: So that would be my plan of attack if you 76 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 4: were faced with that opportunity. 77 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: You know, I've said this year, Caleb's got a better 78 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: arm than bow Knicks. Bo Nicks is more accurate twelve 79 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: yards and under the swing passes the bubble screen. That 80 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: Bow's really good on that stuff. I said, Man, he 81 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: can't love one and not the other. They both have 82 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: brilliant offensive coaches, good old lines. They are better in 83 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: the fourth than in the first quarter, which is for 84 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: young quarterbacks. They're uneven, super athletic. 85 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 3: Both are. 86 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: I mean, bon Knicks is really athletic. We know Caleb is. 87 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: They're dynamic, they're coachable, both Peyton and Benner. They're demanding coaches, 88 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: were you high on bon Knicks because I think a 89 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: lot of people expected Caleb to be dynamic and everybody 90 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: now with bo Nix is saying, well, he's got Sean pateon, Well, 91 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: Caleb's got Ben Johnson. 92 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 3: Where were you on bo Nix? 93 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 2: And where are you on him? 94 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 5: Now? 95 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 4: I thought he was an early second round pick, and 96 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 4: I got news for you. 97 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 2: Most of the league did too. 98 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 99 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was one of it was it was one 100 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 4: of the most onions filled decisions I've seen in a 101 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 4: long time. Let's put it that way, right, Sean Payton 102 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 4: went against the grain and everyone else in the draft, 103 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 4: and he did it with a wide receiver this year. 104 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 2: He did it with his running back r J. Harvey 105 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 2: this year. Yeah. 106 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 4: He just he sees in players exactly what he needs 107 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 4: in his system. Bo Nix and Denver wouldn't be bo 108 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 4: Nicks the same guy as bo Nicks would be. Let's say, 109 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 4: what if he was drafted by the Jets, or if 110 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 4: he was drafted by some of these other organizations like 111 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 4: the BROWNSS, the organizations that seemingly every year or at 112 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 4: the top end, we're talking about how they have a 113 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 4: quarterback need. Again, bo Nicks just fits perfectly with what 114 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 4: Sean's looking for, and it hasn't all been beautiful and 115 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 4: these inconsistencies. And do I trust him in the playoffs? No, 116 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 4: I don't, and I'm okay saying that. But he's getting 117 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,679 Speaker 4: better and you're starting to see progression in the offense. 118 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 2: I'll push back a little bit on. 119 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 4: I see the similarities with Ian Caleb, but I will 120 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 4: say Caleb's just more talented Caleb. They're both good athletes, 121 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 4: Caleb's but better athlete. They're both you know, yes, Bo 122 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 4: is better inside twelve yards with accuracy, but Caleb can 123 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 4: make throws that Bo can't make, and Bo can make 124 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 4: a lot of throws. 125 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 2: So that to me is the difference. 126 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 4: It was coming out and it remains the same now, 127 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 4: but each in each system. I'm trusting Caleb Moore, but 128 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 4: I probably trust Bo Nicks a little bit more and 129 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 4: Sean pay system because this. 130 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: Was a hand picked deal and Sean Payton got this right. 131 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: I love Sam Donald. He'll be playing tonight from the 132 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: very beginning, and then. 133 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 4: I'm me too, man, we were It's so good to 134 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 4: see his success, isn't it like. 135 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: A breath of fresh air. 136 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 4: And I know the last year didn't end well and 137 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 4: this year you're worried that the same thing could pop up. 138 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 4: But man, did I have a high grade on Sam 139 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 4: Donald coming out. 140 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: You know. One of the things I liked about him 141 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: is he came from a super athletic family, but they 142 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: were very like grounded people. There was no bougie They're 143 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: just neat people. When John Snyder said, Okay, I'm gonna 144 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: go for it. It's a team friendly deal, I'm gonna 145 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: go for it, and maybe I'll rephrase it. I knew 146 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: that Shanahan liked him. I knew that Kevin O'Connell liked him, 147 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,799 Speaker 1: and I knew John Snyder liked him. Those are really 148 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: smart guys. That's why I never gave up on Donald. 149 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: I'm like all the people I trust in the league 150 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: keep telling me he just needs He was the youngest 151 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: guy draft of the year he came out. He was 152 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: like twenty one years old. When Schneider went and got 153 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: him this year for the Seahawks. Was there trepidation? What 154 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: were your sources sake? Or did a lot of people think, oh, 155 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: John stole him. 156 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 2: I raced to my editor to get it. 157 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 4: I couldn't write something down fast enough so it would 158 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 4: be out there. 159 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 2: Schneider. 160 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 4: It's almost like he did it a certain way for 161 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 4: a long time, and he did it with Pete and 162 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 4: then kind of was feeling his way through this the 163 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 4: new coaching regime and the Seahawks. But when I look 164 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 4: at what he did this offseason, I was like, uh oh, here, 165 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 4: watch out. Schneider's going back to his roots. He's getting 166 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 4: a younger, more talented version at quarterback, and he's getting 167 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 4: ammunition to go win in the draft. 168 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 2: And that's exactly what he did. 169 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 4: He's a scout at heart man Like I've known John 170 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 4: since since I started in this business Jim Naggy, I 171 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 4: started with work back in New York City at nineteen 172 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 4: ninety nine, and they work together in Green Bay, and 173 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 4: so I got to know John and at his core, 174 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 4: he is a talent evaluator and a team builder and 175 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 4: he believed so much in the foundation from the draft right. 176 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: So this allowed them to get younger at quarterback. 177 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 4: The moves they made in the offseason with DK and 178 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 4: getting rid of Gino allowed them to free up some 179 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 4: cap space, get some more ammunition in terms of the 180 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 4: draft and you're seeing it payoff. I thought maybe it 181 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 4: would take a year, but we're seeing it right away. 182 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 4: And so this is a Seattle team that is scary 183 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 4: when I mean they have been clicking most of the season. 184 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 4: I just want to see Sam put it all together 185 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 4: at the end of the season so we can. 186 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: Finally shut everybody up. 187 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 4: Colin, who is telling us I told you so Sam 188 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 4: can't do it in the league when he was twenty 189 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 4: one and playing for the Jets. 190 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: I mean, who could do that? The answer has been nobody. 191 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: Todd's got his top ten prospects in the draft. I 192 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: think I think it's very good at the top of 193 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: the draft this year. I didn't think last year was 194 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 1: good at the top of the draft at all. I 195 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: think this year is really really good. I mean a 196 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: lot of Ohio State guys. I like that you have 197 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: Makay Lemon. This is not necessarily a prediction on where 198 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: guys are going to go. There you go for our 199 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: audience receiver. There's some good receivers, man, there are in Utah. 200 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 4: I didn't think there were gonna be good receivers coming 201 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 4: into this year. 202 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 2: All three of those guys have been lights out. It's 203 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: been awesome to watch. 204 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: Oregon is maybe the least discussed good team in college football. 205 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: Should Dante come out, people say he didn't have enough starts. 206 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: What is the film say on Dante Moore? Because I've 207 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: heard he's a great kid, great personality, team guy. What 208 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: is the film say on Dante Moore? Because you have him? Fifth, 209 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: he's the best pure passer in college football. 210 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 4: I believe that like smooth stroke, he throws the most 211 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 4: catchable ball of all these quarterbacks. Instincts, anticipation. He It's 212 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 4: interesting because he he is mobile. He he's not fast, 213 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 4: he doesn't love to run, but he's comfortable extending and 214 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 4: getting outside the pocket and creating. 215 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 2: I love him. I think he's going to be a 216 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 2: great pro. 217 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 4: If he were solely listening to my advice, I would 218 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 4: say go back to school for another year. Man, because 219 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 4: I have evidence from twenty five years that I've gathered 220 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 4: that the number of starts that he has, which is 221 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 4: what seventeen, I think at this point it'll be eighteen, nineteen, 222 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 4: twenty somewhere in that range. The chances of him succeeding 223 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 4: with another twelve thirteen fourteen starts next year are significantly higher. 224 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: Twenty five years of. 225 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 4: Data telling me that, and why well, maybe he goes 226 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 4: back and without will Stein, his offensive coordinator who took 227 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 4: the head coaching job and is leaving after the college 228 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 4: football playoffs at Toyota, Kentucky. 229 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe they stumble a little bit. 230 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 4: Maybe he has some bad moments that he didn't necessarily 231 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 4: have this year, and that can be a good thing 232 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 4: for a quarterbacks development. 233 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 2: If you look at all the tome, like the top fifteen. 234 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 4: Quarterbacks in the league, all of them are in that 235 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 4: thirty three to you know, sixty plus start range in 236 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 4: college and only a couple of them are in the 237 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 4: twenties and they're still around twenty six starts. I just 238 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 4: don't like when you only have you know, seventeen, eighteen, 239 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 4: nineteen starts under your belt going in the NFL. And 240 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 4: by the way, he's twenty years old. Colin so I 241 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 4: I like if he leaves for this year's draft class, 242 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 4: because it's only Mendoza right now. 243 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 2: According to what everyone's saying that he's coming out early. 244 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 4: He'll be a top ten pick and it could very 245 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 4: easily be you know, number four to Cleveland, number five 246 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 4: to the Jets. 247 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 2: But you want another twenty year we just talked about 248 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 2: Sam Darnold. 249 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 4: I don't care how talented, and by the way everyone 250 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 4: I talked to, he's mature as he is talented, and as. 251 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: Good a young man as he is talented. 252 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 4: Okay, but so is Sam right, and I just I 253 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 4: don't like that path for him, So I'd love to 254 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 4: see him back in college football next year, even though 255 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 4: it makes for a less exciting NFL draft. 256 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 2: In the next few months, be sure to catch live 257 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 2: editions of The Herd weekdays and noon eastern non am Pacific. 258 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 3: Hey is Covino and Rich from Fox Sports Radio. 259 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 6: Now, In addition to hearing us live weekdays from five 260 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 6: to seven pm Eastern and two to four Pacific on 261 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 6: Fox Sports Radio, We're excited to announce a brand new 262 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 6: YouTube channel for the show. 263 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 2: Yep, that's right. 264 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 6: You can now watch Covino and Rich live on YouTube 265 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 6: every day. All you gotta do search Covino and Rich 266 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 6: FSR on YouTube again, go to YouTube search Covino and 267 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 6: Rich FSR. Check us out on YouTube, Subscribe, hit that 268 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 6: thumbs up icon comment away. 269 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: Finally, Bama, Oklahoma, I've gone back and forth. Oklahoma's at home, 270 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: Oklahoma's pass rush, Bama can't run the football. You watch 271 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: a you watch as much college football as anybody. I know, 272 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: they've beaten him twice. I think Kaylen Debor is such 273 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: a gifted coach. I think Ty Simpson needs another year 274 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: of college. Doesn't blow me away that matchup? Who do 275 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: you like and why. 276 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 4: I love Ty Simpson and what he can be and 277 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 4: when he's at his best. I think defensive defenses have 278 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 4: figured out, hey, Alabama can't run the football successfully at all. 279 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 4: And I like, I'm here for Venables versus Debor, and 280 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 4: I'm here for I'm here for even Mattier with the 281 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 4: thumb and struggling versus Simpson. And I'm especially here for 282 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 4: Brenton Venables and that defense going up against Ty Simpson 283 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 4: and that passing game. What I don't understand is what 284 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 4: is there something going on? It feels like an undercurrent. 285 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 4: And I said this about LSU with Brian Kelly before 286 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 4: it all happened, and I'm saying it here again with Alabama. 287 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 4: And I'm not saying it's going to blow up and 288 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 4: it's all over and Debor's going to Michigan or. 289 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 2: Anything like that. 290 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 4: I'm just saying I've got people in Tuscaloose that I 291 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 4: talk to when I trust and it just feels like 292 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 4: something's not right. But I also know football players compartmentalize 293 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 4: better than most. And I do know that Ty Simpson 294 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 4: coaches son been around ball his whole life. 295 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 2: He'll be ready to go. At first. 296 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 4: I I was absolutely Oklahoma home game. I know that 297 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 4: they had twice as many yards the first meeting Alabama did. 298 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 4: They had twice as many first first downs or like 299 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 4: ten more minutes of time of possession. They owned that 300 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 4: game and still lost. The closer we get as I 301 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 4: look at Oklahoma, the more I think that Alabama and 302 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 4: what we saw in the SEC Championship game was kind 303 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 4: of a byproduct of we don't have fourteen guys that 304 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 4: wound up sitting out. We're getting most of those guys back. 305 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 4: I think this is going to be the best game 306 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 4: of the weekend. I think Miami, Texas A and m 307 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 4: is going to be really good gotten tohead. I'm going 308 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 4: Oklahoma still, But I just I look it to Boor 309 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 4: in his history, with a little bit of time to 310 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 4: prepare and in big games like this, he's so damn good. 311 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: Colin, Yeah, he went to Athens and literally had a 312 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: perfect first half of execution. So they can't run the 313 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: ball with a link, but they got three big time receivers. Todd, 314 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: you're great at the ringer covering this stuff forever at 315 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: McShay team. Is the Twitter handle ex handle. Whoever owns 316 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: it calls it whatever they want. Todd, it's great seeing you. 317 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 2: Good to see you, tube brother. I'll talk to you soon. 318 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, guy does this stuff really well, knows it. 319 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 320 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: His top ten prospects eight, nine and ten or wide 321 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: receivers Tate, Lemon and Tyson. 322 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 3: There's a lot of Ohio State dudes. 323 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 324 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: It is interesting about the number of starts you get 325 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: in college, Like there's just data that proves you got 326 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: to get over like twenty seven three. It's like bo 327 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: Nicks may have a high ceiling. But he was ready 328 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: to go by October mid October year one. He was 329 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: ready to go. I'll say this for Jackson Dart. He 330 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: had Lane Kiffen for three years, lane coach in the NFL. 331 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: Lane's in the lead offensive guy, top ten offensive guy 332 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: maybe in football, college or pro. 333 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 3: Jackson Dart was ready to play very early. It matters. 334 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 7: Did you say he had how many receivers in the 335 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 7: top ten. 336 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 3: Well he has three. He has Tate, Lemon. 337 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 2: And Wild. 338 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 7: So if you look around the current playoff teams right now, 339 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 7: look at the elite teams, there's not a lot of 340 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 7: guys drafted in the top ten at receiver. You can 341 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 7: find value later in the first round. Justin Jefferson, I 342 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 7: don't think JSN was top ten like receiver is. I 343 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 7: don't know. Do you consider that a premium position. 344 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: Well, that's a great that's a great question. I never did. 345 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: Wide receiver to me was icing on the cake. I 346 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: want to draft guys in the first round that are 347 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: the cake, but because of rule changes, quarterbacks one left tackle, 348 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: two edge rusher, three, perimeter weapon. Four I think you 349 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: have to have a perimeter weapon. Five I think underrated 350 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: is center a great center, and then six maybe a corner. 351 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: But now I will say I said edge rusher. I 352 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: would prefer a great dtackle. There just aren't many of 353 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: those body types. But I do think I used to 354 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: put receiver like eighth. I don't do that anymore. 355 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 7: Let me ask you, though, Colin, do you think it's 356 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 7: easier to find a stud receiverver or a stud tackle, 357 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 7: stud offensive lineman in the third, fourth, and fifth rounds. 358 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 3: Oh, no wide receiver easily. 359 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 7: So that's why, Like I mean, and this is his 360 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 7: top ten prospects. So yes, those guys maybe eliite properly. 361 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: Let's but here's the other thing to think about. So 362 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: it depends on what you are. Like, like like, I 363 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: think Carnell Tate more than Lemon and Tyson is such 364 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: a unique NFL body. I mean, he looks like he 365 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: could be a you could put weight on him, he 366 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: could be an outside linebacker. I think Tate is so 367 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: unique physically, I have no problem first round. I thought 368 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: Igbuca last year was such a great route runner. I 369 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: was like, that's a first round wide receiver Tampa. Like, 370 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: there's guys. Marvin Harrison has not been as good as 371 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: I thought, but I do think he's a unique wide receiver. 372 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 1: He's just been a slower build, so I think I like, 373 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: I don't buy A couple of years ago, Baltimore took 374 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: a center and a safety and everybody's like, whoa, they're 375 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: both Pro bowlers, the kid from Iowa at center and 376 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: then Hamilton for Notre Dame. 377 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 3: Just go get elite players. 378 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: So if you have if you have MacKaye Lemon, nineteenth, 379 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: best player to twenty third in your picks available, just 380 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: go unless you unless you're like Cincinnati and have Jamar 381 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: and t Higgins, or you're the Rams and have two 382 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: stars and have other needs. 383 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 3: But I just I think. 384 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: In the first round mostly you take the best player available. 385 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 7: Yeah, and the other thing on quarterbacks. So here are 386 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 7: the last three quarterbacks that went number one overall. Bryce 387 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 7: Young three years ago. Is he the best quarterback drafted 388 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 7: in his class? Yes? Or no? 389 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 3: No? 390 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 7: Caleb Williams what number one? Is he the best quarterback 391 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 7: drafted in his class? 392 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 3: Yes, the most, he's the most talented. 393 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 7: Is he the best so far? 394 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 3: Not so far? 395 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 7: And then cam Ward this past year? Is he the 396 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 7: best quarterback that you've seen this year? John? The rookies, 397 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 7: Jackson Dart's been better, Tyler Shuck has been pretty damn 398 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 7: good recently. I'm just saying, I don't want to say 399 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 7: what first is a kiss of death? But Mendoza go 400 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 7: into some crap franchise. I'm not going to name them 401 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 7: because the fans get all upset. It may not be 402 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 7: the best thing for him and Dante more sliding down 403 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 7: a little could be better. I mean, it's a the 404 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 7: NFL is weird, and we've hit on this. The worst 405 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 7: teams continually do the dumbest things at. 406 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 3: The top of the draft they do. 407 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 408 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 2: in noon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 409 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 410 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 3: What's better than a Saturday? 411 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 7: How about a Super Saturday with an NFL doubleheader. First, 412 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 7: it's the Eagles versus Commanders, then the Packers take on 413 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 7: the Bears for control of the NFC North. Pregame coverage 414 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 7: begins at four pm Eastern on Fox. 415 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 3: Without further ado. Jaymack with the news. 416 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 2: No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the 417 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 2: Herd Line News. 418 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 7: All right, Let's go Dallas Cowboys. And mister George Pickens. 419 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 7: We haven't heard from him in a while, Colin, because 420 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 7: he's been ducking the media for the last two weeks. Essentially, 421 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 7: once he started stinking up the joint, he started avoiding 422 00:19:58,800 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 7: the media. 423 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 3: Kind of cow if you ask me. 424 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 7: Pickens was finally available yesterday and decided to talk about 425 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 7: the criticism he's received. 426 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 8: I'm kind of more focused on the Chargers, honestly, just 427 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 8: this following week, just knowing that they're ten or four 428 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 8: group knowing that played physicals, got a lot of good 429 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 8: defensive guys. Everybody has a job to do. Some people 430 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 8: job is to do that. It's like chear down character, 431 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 8: see how much clicks they can get. But I'm just 432 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 8: here to play football or help the team. 433 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 3: Honestly, mm hmmm, yeah, clicks. That's that's what it is. Clicks. 434 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 3: We're all that's about the clicks. 435 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 7: Or there are no touchdowns in the last three games. 436 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 7: I don't know of these do but you look I 437 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 7: mean like I don't. I don't know him personally, but 438 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 7: when your history in Pittsburgh was dogging it at the 439 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 7: end of the season and then you start dogging it 440 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 7: on national televised Island games, Colin kind of says some 441 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 7: stuff about you, doesn't it? Or am I going overboard you? 442 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 4: No? 443 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: I mean it's listen, it's it's not like the Cowboys 444 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: star quarterback got hurt. Dak's been there, the old lines, 445 00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: the same ceedee Lamb's playing and uh, you know, offensive 446 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: coach and he's disappeared. So you don't go from eight 447 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: touchdowns to zero. I mean it's the body language isn't 448 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: good and he has a history got Yeah. Listen, are 449 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people out of the draft, out of 450 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:15,719 Speaker 1: Georgia that were like, be very careful. So anytime you 451 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: remind people of the one criticism doesn't matter if you're 452 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: a football player or not. You don't want to keep 453 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: reminding people of like this, this flaw that is widely recognized. 454 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: And he has been moody sometimes immature, and it looks 455 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: like he's pouting. 456 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 7: So he's gonna get tagged or he's gonna become a 457 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 7: free agent and go somewhere. 458 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 3: I would certainly look. 459 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 7: To a team with a rookie quarterback, but you have 460 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 7: to have a strong locker room, strong coach. Can I 461 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 7: interest you in Mike Rabel and New England strong coach, 462 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 7: tough locker room, not gonna put up with crap. Drake 463 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 7: May one of the best deep ball throwers in the league. No, 464 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 7: not really, Okay, you're off pickets, all right, final, Let's 465 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 7: go to the next story called aj Brown speaking of 466 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 7: diva receivers, He's had a lot of drama, had a 467 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 7: couple costly drops in that loss to the Chargers. Uh. 468 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 7: There's a report that indicates several anonymous executives believe the 469 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 7: Eagles will be parting ways with Brown at season's end. 470 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 7: I will float two to you because this is fun. 471 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 7: I'll start with the Kansas City Chiefs. 472 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 2: They need a. 473 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 7: Big downfield deep threat who's physical and when he pipes up, 474 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 7: you got a firm quarterback and coach who are willing 475 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 7: to shut him down quickly. 476 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 2: Mahomes and Reid, They're. 477 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 7: Not gonna put up with garbage from him. AJ Brown 478 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 7: in casey do you like it? 479 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 2: I do? 480 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: Actually, I I really do, because I think Worthy's a 481 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: gadget guy and I think he's a different body type. 482 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 3: That one work. 483 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: And also, let's let's let's be fair here, is that 484 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: Rashi rise to this point? 485 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 3: Do I trust him? Not really? 486 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: So with with Kelsey leaving, that move in Kansas City. 487 00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 3: Works for me. 488 00:22:59,040 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 2: Okay. 489 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 7: The other one I was thinking it was a Buffalo 490 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 7: Bills if they come up short in the playoffs this year, 491 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 7: they don't have a star receiver. And then some people 492 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 7: will say Jay Back, what about Vray Bowl where he 493 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 7: was previously within Tennessee, that the Patriots could use him 494 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 7: to pair with Drake By. 495 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: That also works, oh, New England because of Brabile and 496 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: AJ Brown. 497 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 3: That absolutely works to me. That's a fit. 498 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 7: Yeah, and Dove tailing off what McVeigh said, there's a 499 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 7: lot of good receivers in this draft. If you can 500 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 7: move off an expensive one, get a cheap one in 501 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 7: the draft. That works for teams that have already paid 502 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 7: their quarterback. Final story, Colin Oh we haven't talked about 503 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 7: Schider Sanders and the Cleveland Browns hosting the Bills. Look 504 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 7: at that big big dogs this week ten and a 505 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 7: half at home. He did not have a great game 506 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 7: against the Bears. Heading into Sunday, He's got a tough 507 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 7: task against the Bills and Josh Allen. Here's Shdore talking 508 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 7: about this week's matchup. 509 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 5: I just got to get more completions, you know, I 510 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 5: gotta get more completions than even whenever we're down or anything. 511 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 3: Care press. 512 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 5: You know, I just gotta remain having those mental notes 513 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 5: to myself, just work within the game and just keep 514 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:10,959 Speaker 5: just driving the ball your first downs. 515 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: I also think the Chicago Bears have a It was 516 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: a road game. Chicago's pretty stacked. He got behind, he 517 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: was pressing. You know, I'm not gonna hold it against him. 518 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: Rookies have really bad, really bad Sundays. 519 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 3: It was a bad spot. 520 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: I mean the odds makers had the Bears over a 521 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: touchdown favorite. 522 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 3: It went sideways fast, and. 523 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: I mean you got the secondary for Chicago. It's got 524 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: playmakers back there. So it's a it's a work in progress. 525 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: It's it's all we'll see. I you know, I don't 526 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: think he's a great franchise quarterback. The question is like 527 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: with JJ McCarthy, is he a franchise quarterback? JJ McCarthy. 528 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: Last three weeks, it's like, oh, okay, Schaduur looked interesting 529 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: first couple of weeks. 530 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 3: Now he's gone backwards. So it's just let him. 531 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 7: Play some context. I will defend you Colin. He was 532 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 7: down three offensive linemen and then Djoku the tight end lost. 533 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 7: He was unfortunately, you know, with those three guys, maybe 534 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 7: out again this week, which is not ideal, you know 535 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 7: against Buffalo, which can get some pressure on the quarterback 536 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 7: with their front. And I don't know what to do 537 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 7: with Shador. You you think Dart franchise guy for sure. 538 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 7: I still think with Dart, Shadoor, Tyler Shuck, I like 539 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 7: some of what I've seen, they could go into next 540 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 7: season as starters. But I don't I'm not crowning any 541 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 7: of those guys in the class of Bo Nicks, Jaden Daniels, 542 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 7: Drake Bay, none of them are even close to it 543 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 7: might be all right. 544 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 3: Fair enough. 545 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: I think Jackson Dart has for a rookie with a 546 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: pretty average offensive roster. I think Jackson Dart's been pretty good. 547 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: I think he's and he's tough, like he doesn't want 548 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: to go into the blue tent. You know, he's not 549 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: asking to go into the blue tent. It's just you 550 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: gotta go sometimes. J Mack with the news, Well. 551 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 2: That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd 552 00:25:58,359 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 2: Line news it is. 553 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking about this last night about 554 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: you know, these seasons are really long, and you know 555 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: Week one coaches now treated like an extension of you know, 556 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: the preseason, and then at the end of the season 557 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: you're often resting people or like soft tanking when you're 558 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: going to you know, have a starting quarterback mount play. 559 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: I think J Max mentioned it earlier. There's like seven 560 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 1: rookie quarterbacks, six rookie quarterbacks playing this weekend. So you know, 561 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 1: if you look at the playoff picture, by all means, 562 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: I think the AFC, which has been pretty easy to predict, 563 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: for years. You know the AFC. We're not going to 564 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: have Mahomes, We're not going to have Burrow. We're not 565 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: sure if we're going to have Lamar Jackson. It's a 566 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: little surprising, but I will say Denver made it last year. 567 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: Not a shock again, Harbaugh Herbert not a shock. Josh Allen, 568 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: not a shock. I mean Houston's made it. Isn't this 569 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: the third time C J. Strouds made the playoffs Pittsburgh. 570 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh is surprising because I figured they'd be eight or 571 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: nine win team, whatever. But I didn't think they make 572 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: the playoffs. We're still not sure they are. Baltimore could 573 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: still get in. Colts were surprisingly viable, and Jacksonville I 574 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: never trust has been better. 575 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 3: But then when you start. 576 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: Looking at it, like you say, well what about Rabel 577 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: Rabel Drake May showed glimpses last year. I mean, I 578 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 1: picked New England for second in the division. It can't 579 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: be that big of a surprise. I didn't think they'd 580 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: be eleven and three. I thought they were a ten 581 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: win team. But it may not be as surprising as 582 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: everybody thinks. J Max said Chiefs aren't making the playoffs. 583 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 1: If you watch the trends. Kansas City's offense has been 584 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: middle of the pack, often worse in the second half. 585 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: The NFC playoff picture, I think the NFC now has 586 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: become the AFC the previous four years, where you've got 587 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: these combinations of quarterback and coach like McVeigh and Stafford. 588 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 1: That's elite. Shanahan and Purty say what you want, Lafleur 589 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: and Jordan Love Baker and Bowls. 590 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 3: I picked Begger to make the playoffs. 591 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: Philadelphia, I think, has been weird and uneven, but we're 592 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: not surprised. 593 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 3: So I feel like. 594 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: The NFC is better than the AFC and has become 595 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: the AFC in previous years. It's a little easier to protect. 596 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: Chicago is better than I thought, no question, But I'm 597 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: and Detroit. For the record, Detroit, you and I both 598 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: said they'll be the step back team in the league. 599 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: Washington being awful is a shock. Carolina being five hundred 600 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 1: not really. We both thought they got the right coach, 601 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: Dan Morgan, good GM. So the NFL to me is 602 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: very hard to predict on a week to week basis. 603 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: And again, certainly New England is better than even I thought, 604 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: and I picked them as a playoff team. But are 605 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: you a shock that TUA got worse? The Jets are 606 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: a mess. The Titans aren't very good. I mean, if 607 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: I said to you biggest surprise in the league, and 608 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: again people will say New England. 609 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 3: But I picked them as a playoff. 610 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: Team, they can't be that big of I would say 611 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: Chicago being ten and four through fourteen games. 612 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 7: Chicago's right there. Seattle has to be right there. Nobody 613 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 7: had them at eleven and three. You like them, but 614 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 7: nobody had them here. 615 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 3: I have a wildcard team. 616 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 7: But the big difference is if you name the four 617 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 7: best quarterbacks in the NFL for best, it's pretty easy. 618 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 7: We've been doing this for a couple of years. 619 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 3: But just name them. 620 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: Well, Josh Allen right now, Matt Stafford, Mahomes. 621 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 7: Burrow, interesting, no, Lamar Jackson because historically the big four 622 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 7: have been all in the AFC. Well, Burrow got hurt, 623 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 7: Lamar was hurt, and Mahomes's team is not very good. 624 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 7: So then all of a sudden you look at the rosters, 625 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 7: and the rosters in the NFC are way better. Oh 626 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 7: way better quarterbacks are better in the AFC. It's very 627 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 7: strange like that. Packers roster at full strike next year. 628 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 7: I think the Packers go in as the Super Bowl favorites, right, 629 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 7: I mean, when you assume Michael Parsons is back, everybody's 630 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 7: gonna be healthy. 631 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 3: They're loaded, Colin, they are. 632 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: It is interesting when you watch tonight, we all mention 633 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: these great quarterbacks. If you go back to like week 634 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: eleven in Carolina, the winningest quarterback in the league is 635 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: a quarterbacking for the Seahawks. 636 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 7: Tonight, your boy Sam Darnold, Big Island game. Hopefully he 637 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 7: doesn't throw four picks this time, or you'll just come 638 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 7: on tomorrow and say, you know, interceptions don't matter that 639 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 7: much because he's. 640 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 3: Trying to he throws three or more. 641 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: I will not say that they matter, but it's where 642 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: you throw up. Like bow Knicks has nine picks, but 643 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: when trailing, bow Knicks has sixteen touchdowns and one pick. 644 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: So whatever, it is a sense of urgency. You know, 645 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: the defense gets more worn down over the course of 646 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: a game. Bow Nicks throws his interceptions in less crucial times. 647 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams doesn't throw them at all, really, except for 648 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: the Green Bay one. All right, Todd McShay appreciate him 649 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: stopping by Joel Klatt to day, good stuff. We'll see 650 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: you tomorrow. Blazing Fies