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Speaker 1: From UFOs to ghosts and government cover ups. Histories write

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Speaker 1: with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn

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Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt and I

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Speaker 1: am Ben and that makes this stuff they don't want

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Speaker 1: you to know. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, today we are

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Speaker 1: recording our very first podcast of Yes. Isn't that weird?

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Speaker 1: It's great. I'm excited for it. Yeah, I'm excited. To

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Speaker 1: my friend, I can't wait to see where this crazy

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Speaker 1: ride goes. You know, we even had someone recently, uh

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Speaker 1: a raise. Oh, yes, yes, I was so kind. Uh

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Speaker 1: we Yeah, we did have somebody who wrote to us

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Speaker 1: that's right, because we we've heard this everyone's heard it

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Speaker 1: I do want all of the money, but so that

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Speaker 1: a great Monty Python quote that's about this where he

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Speaker 1: compares I think it's John Clee. Someone correct me. He

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