WEBVTT - Patriots Draft Countdown Previewing the Offensive Line with Brandon Thorn 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:05.240 This is Patriots Draft Countdown presented by bud Light. 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:07.360 Welcome to an NFL draft. 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:10.560 Posted by the writers of Patriots dot Com. From now 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:14.600 until you here, New England Patriotslie, the countdown is on. 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:19.000 Welcome to the Patriots Draft Countdown presented by bud Light. 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:21.160 What's up, everybody? 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:24.960 Welcome to Patriots Draft Countdown presented by bud Light, Easy 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:26.560 to Drink, Easy to enjoy, bud Light. 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:28.800 The official beer sponsor of the New England Patriots. 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.920 And today we're gonna touching on a number of topics 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:33.959 all related to the draft. We've got a great offensive 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:36.400 line preview. Evan had a chance to sit down and 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:38.960 talk with Brandon Thorne really drilled down on some of 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:42.120 those offensive line prospects. But first here in this first segment, 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:43.720 we're just gonna kind of catch everybody up on some 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:45.960 of the latest news that's happened over the last week 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:49.040 since the last episode relating directly to the Patriots and 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:50.400 how it impacts their draft. 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.559 So, guys want to start at the top. Justin Fields. 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:56.280 He is now a Pittsburgh Steeler, So we know we 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:58.000 spent a lot of time talking over the last few 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:00.959 months about Justin Field's potential to come here. Now he's 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:03.000 kind of off the table to start with you, Paul, 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:04.480 you know, what was kind of your reaction to that, 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:06.320 and how do you think that does that impact the 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:07.000 Patriots at all? 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:10.720 Yeah, I mean I would say personally, just you know, 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:14.200 very selfishly, I'm glad that he got moved to somebody 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.000 so we could sort of stop with Like to me, 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.840 when they signed Jakobe Brissett, that kind of eliminated the 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:24.360 Justin Fields portion of the Patriots connection to that possibility, 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:28.039 but the questions were persisting, So I'm glad it kind 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:31.040 of got resolved. I'm not overly surprised. I think if 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:32.880 you saw it, like you know, Chicago had made it 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:35.880 clear that they were looking to deal him. They wanted 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:37.680 to do right by him and move him as quickly 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:39.880 as they could, and it took a while. So that 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.360 told me that there wasn't a tremendous amount of interest. 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:44.880 Now they also people around the league. If you're interested 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:47.600 in Justin Fields, you knew Chicago was going to have 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:49.960 to release him at some point if they weren't able 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.960 to make a deal, So that lowers the value you know, 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:56.000 a conditional pick if he plays for Pittsburgh, it's a 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:58.360 fourth round pick. If he doesn't, it's a sixth round pick. 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:02.760 So I think it's probably the best for Chicago and 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:07.480 fields Pittsburgh specifically. I know we're not necessarily caring about Pittsburgh. 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.800 I think it makes a little sense because I'm not 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:11.880 sold on Russell Wilson, and I know they've said that 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:14.400 it's Russell Wilson's job, but we'll see. 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:16.760 Yeah, it makes a lot of sense for Pittsburgh because 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:18.959 they have the twentieth pick in the draft, so they're 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:21.480 not gonna have an opportunity to take a Jayden Daniels 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:23.280 or Drake may or one of these guys. So their 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:26.799 upside play is justin fields, which I think makes sense 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:29.960 for a team like that. But clearly teams like the Commanders, 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:32.919 teams like the Patriots, teams like the Minnesota Vikings, they 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:35.280 didn't have much interest in justin fields because they were 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:37.720 more worried about the guys in the draft and Tyler 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:41.240 talking about contract and value and things like that. Justin 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:43.520 Field's coming up in his fourth year. He's gonna have 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:45.160 to get paid at some point, even if he is 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:49.200 starting caliber or versus starting all over. First year of 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:51.280 a rookie contract. Now you have team control for the 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:54.320 next five years. It's a much different scenario. So I 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:56.440 get it for a team like Pittsburgh. I never really 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:58.720 got it for a team like the Patriots that had 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:00.720 that pick to be able to take a quarterback in 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.440 the draft and basically do what people would want you 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:05.400 to do with Justin Fields, which is develop him and 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.000 hope that you can tap into the upside. So it 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:10.800 makes sense that he's not coming here makes sense for Pittsburgh. 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:14.440 I think the Justin Fields too, and Justin Fields and 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:18.480 Marvin Harrison junior pairing that everybody called in and emailed in. 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:20.359 Sorry rip to that take. 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:21.160 That was me. 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.440 Tp right up, Like part of me is a little upset. 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.120 I've always been a Justin Fields guy. I'm surprised how 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:30.320 cheap he ended up going to Pittsburgh for. But as 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:32.280 Paul said, I'm kind of happy this is done with. 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:35.160 It's fun to, like, you know, picture what could have happened. 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:38.520 But it's done. He's in Pittsburgh. I'll be upset about it, 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:38.920 but I'll. 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:39.240 Get over it. 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:42.640 So it's just some clarity though as we get into 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:44.280 this last month, it's like, you know, I mean My 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:45.960 favorite part of the draft usually is the day after 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:47.480 the draft, when you're like, here's the ten guys that 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:49.080 you have and you can just kind of focus on 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:51.920 those instead of doing all this speculation. So that speculation 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:54.280 is now out. So I'm glad about that. But the 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:58.680 Patriots did make a move this weekend, signing kJ Osborne, receiver, 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:01.840 kind of the third receiver there in Minnesota. We know 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:04.440 they missed out on Calvin Ridley really, you know, coming 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:06.480 in with a big offer kind of showing. I think 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:08.640 that this you know, regime understands that you got to 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:10.680 take a big swing on those kind of players. But 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.880 they're settling for kJ Osborne, who kind of himself settles 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.520 into a group Paul that it kind of looks similar 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:18.280 to me. You know, it's it's kJ Osbourne, It's it's 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:20.279 Kendrick Bourne. It's a lot of those kind of not 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:22.360 a big outside X guy, a lot of these guys 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:23.800 that you can kind of move around in the slot. 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:25.840 We'll see how it all plays out, but I think 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:27.200 they've got nine receivers on the roster. 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:30.520 Throw Jamario Douglass in there too, and I agree, and listen, 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:33.039 he's been you know, I would say a professional receiver. 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:36.120 I think he's he's been reasonably productive in Minnesota, So 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:38.240 I don't I don't think this is a move like 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:41.800 you just like scoff at. But you do wonder, you know, 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:44.400 where those outside guys, the guys that Evan's been talking 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.839 about for the last couple of weeks, those X receivers, 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.360 where are they're gonna come from. Mike Williams is still, 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.000 you know available, kind of a strange story about him 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:55.880 with the Jets, you know, coming out over the last 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:59.000 couple of days. But I like Osborne. I think it's 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.599 a good addition. I think create more competition. You know, 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:05.400 it's some insurance if Kenrick Bourne doesn't you know, bounce back, 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.039 you know from the town. Acl is as quickly and 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:11.400 as well as as everybody hopes, so you know, bring 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:13.440 them in, create some competition. You need a lot of 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:15.440 receivers in camp. Those guys run a lot in camp. 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.800 I wann to t up Evan just because what do 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:19.720 you think this does to affect their draft needs? Because 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:21.360 you've talked a lot about it. Paul just mentioned you 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:23.400 talking about it, the need for an outside X. They 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.440 got rid of Devonte Parker, who pretty much played that 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:27.599 role last year. I look at this roster, I don't 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.080 see anybody on it. So would you say going into 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.719 the draft that we don't really need to spend time 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:35.479 thinking about these Z kind of receivers. Let's focus on 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:37.120 guys that could potentially be an X. 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:39.560 Yeah, I would say yes, But at the same time, 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.040 I would hate to pigeonhole yourself just to one type 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.599 of receiver, because that's what it looks like on paper. 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:47.680 You're missing. The Patriots need talent at that position. So 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:50.720 if they grade out Ladd McConkie as a much better 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:53.359 player than Keon coleman, and they should draft Lad McConkie, 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:56.000 they shouldn't draft Keon coleman. You figure it out down 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:58.200 the road. But you look at some of these receivers 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.680 in that X mold, some guys they're probably going to 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:02.719 go in the first round. Obviously we know about Marvin 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:06.040 Harrison Junior, Romadoonze, those guys off the top of the draft. 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.520 Then you go to the Brian Thomas juniors, the Ady 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:11.760 Mitchell tier, that sort of next wave. Keon Coleman to 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.160 me is somewhere in the middle between the next wave. 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.520 On Day two in the first round, guys, and then 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:19.719 you'd see some of those probably around three picks, like 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.520 a tes Walker, like a Brendan Rice. So I know 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:24.440 a lot of people like because of the lineage and 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.320 everything like that. So I think all those guys are 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:30.200 interesting for different reasons. I'm not the biggest fan of 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:34.040 Coleman gives me too many Nikhil Harry vibes with, you know, 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:37.359 no separation, contested catch type of guy. I really do 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:39.640 like Brendan Rice a lot, not just because his father's 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:42.800 Jerry Rice, but just watching him on film. Explosive guy, 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.880 can run routes as an ex bigger guy, can win 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:48.000 to tested catches, but also seems to be able to 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:50.840 get separation on slants and breakers, things like that. So 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:54.560 there's some guys there. And then obviously just quickly tes 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:58.320 Walker pairing him with Drake may Is college quarterback. Maybe 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:00.320 they go that direction for you. 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:00.960 So I love it. 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:02.680 I would love it. I need something that moves the needle. 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.800 kJ Osborne, it's just tough. We missed out on Ridley 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:08.440 Keenan a left and it's like here's kJ Osbourne, Like, 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:09.480 I don't know, we need something. 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.360 So I just met the whole college quarterback receiver. 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:14.000 I would love that. I would love that. 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.040 He scares me a little bit, I'm not gonna lie. 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:20.560 I think part of it is because of the offense 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.320 that he played in at North Carolina. It's an air 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:24.640 raid system, so a lot of his reps are just 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:26.920 him running by people in a straight line. And those 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:29.600 types of guys always give me concern because they don't 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:31.320 have a lot of branches on the route tree. Yet 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:32.840 you know, is he going to be able to run 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:35.720 three different levels of routes. Senior Bowl was not a 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.160 good week for him either. So as much as I 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.320 love the idea of taking the college quarterback and pairing 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.400 him with his number one receiver, there are some concerns 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.640 with tes Walker on film that you are a little 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:51.160 bit hesitant. Maybe third or fourth round would be good value, 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.559 but I'm probably not taking him inside the top fifty. 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:55.000 If you take someone in the third or the fourth. 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.040 As du said, we have nine receivers on a roster. 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.800 That's pretty open competition for me. So if you're a rookie, 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:02.160 come in like this is your chance to do it. 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.360 So yeah, Well, I mean one more question though, is 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:06.600 usually you know you talk about the X receiver, These 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:08.080 are the big dogs, right, These are the guys that 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:09.680 you know don't need help. They can get off the line, 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:11.800 they can get off press. Is it too much to 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:13.760 kind of hope to develop a guy like that? Not 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:15.880 quite as crazy as like a quarterback, Like usually if 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.080 you're in a quarterback Day two, day three, it's it's 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.560 a developmental guy. You're probably not having high hopes that 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:22.160 this guy is going to be a star. 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:23.880 But is it unreasonable to. 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:25.440 Kind of hope that you could take a guy like 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:26.960 that in the middle of the draft and that he 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:30.360 will develop into a legit outside presence that draws coverage 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:31.800 and attention from defenses. 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:32.520 I mean, I don't. 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:34.760 I think it's probably case by case, but I don't 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:38.360 think it's unreasonable to expect. I mean, whatever the style 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:42.040 of receiver, we've seen a lot of guys over the 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:46.440 last five seven years, not necessarily be those blue chip 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:51.520 guys in the first round really develop into weapons in 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:54.560 the NFL. I mean, I have to do a little 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:56.240 more research to see how many of those guys are 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.720 strictly outside guys as opposed to slot guys. But you 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:02.199 know the names everybody knows, you know, Pooka and the 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:04.640 cop as a fifth round pick last year, you know, 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:07.120 comes in and he looks like a seasoned veteran from 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:09.600 you know, week one did a lot of that, by 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:12.040 the way, without Cooper Cup early in the year when 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.599 when Cup was injured, so he didn't even have the 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:20.440 luxury of you know, kJ Osborne. There's probably a thought 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:23.160 in your mind that all he's playing with Justin Jefferson 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:26.160 and even a little like last year with Jordan Addison 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:28.280 who had a really good rookie year, how good is 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:31.200 he or is he just benefiting from open space kind 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.200 of you know makeshift Juju Smith Schuster thing with with 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:36.480 Kansas City from the year before. I think he's probably 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:38.559 a little bit better than that, not just a product 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:41.040 of the guys he was around, but that you know, 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:43.360 that's something you have to keep in mind when you 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:45.000 watch some of these guys in college too. But I 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:46.920 think you can develop. Why can't you develop a guy? 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:48.160 I absolutely think you can. 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:51.040 Yeah, I think when you said that about kJ Osborne, 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.760 there's a touchdown of his last year where they just 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.320 ran it was called scissors, just two crossing routes like 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:59.600 this and three guys go to Justin Jefferson and he's 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:01.440 just all alone in the corner of the end zone 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:03.480 by himself, and I was like, all right, well, we 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:05.080 got the guy that can catch it when he's all 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.040 alone in the end zone. But who's the guy that's 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:08.960 taking three guys with him in the coverage? 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:09.199 Right? 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:11.560 And that's what we're all talking about. That's what Matist 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:13.920 was talking about. And I think some of these guys 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:16.200 in the draft. The good thing is is that some 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.600 of these Day two guys, especially early Day two guys, 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.680 probably would be first round picks in different drafts. This 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:24.360 draft is so loaded at the receiver position that if 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:27.160 you were to put some of these players in last 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:29.720 year's draft class, then a lot of those guys would 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:32.160 be in the conversation with the Zay Flowers of Quinton 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.640 Johnson to Jackson Smith and Jigba. They're all in that 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:36.960 same tier. So thirty four is a nice pick to 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.200 have because if some of those guys slipped through the 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:42.600 cracks that you might have a really really high grade on, 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:44.920 but they don't end up going in the first round, 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:46.959 you're going to have that opportunity at the top of 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.320 the second round or even to trade in late first 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:51.800 round to grab one of those guys. I'll mention one 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:54.360 more name who I don't know if he's necessarily going 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:56.880 to be a prototypical ex but xavierly Get from South 0:10:56.920 --> 0:11:01.760 Carolina is rising extremely quick and had a great combine 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:04.800 two hundred and twenty one pounds, ran a sub four 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:07.559 four two twenty one six foot two two twenty one. 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:12.240 He can really move. I think he's like across prospect wise, 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.120 between AJ Brown and Debo, he's like right in the middle. 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:18.240 He's more natural receiver than Debo, but he's not quite 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.320 as big and stocky as AJ Brown, So he's like 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:23.559 right in the middle of those two guys. And he 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:25.840 had a great season last year at South Carolina. So 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:29.320 those types of guys like a like a Leget that 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.280 are explosive, good with the ball in their hands, you know, 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:35.480 chess pieces that you can move around the formation. I 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:38.360 could see those types of guys developing into what we're 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:41.480 all looking for at the next level. Maybe not as 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:43.679 we get into the tes Walkers, the Brendan Rice is 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.440 that tier. Those guys are probably just this is my 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:48.760 role and I'm gonna play it type of guys. But 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:50.280 there are some guys at the top of the second 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:52.920 round that are intriguing that that could fit in terms 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:56.400 of drawing coverage and being that that big time coverage dictator. 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:58.480 You got, anybody tech, what do you want? You want 0:11:58.480 --> 0:11:59.040 that X receiver. 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:01.080 I know I'm a big Xavier Worthy guy. I know 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.720 he's not Zachty straight X, but you know he's a burner. 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:05.960 I know Evan doesn't like the burners, but he's proved it. 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:07.559 I love the burners. I don't like that. 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:11.440 I'm normally not a guy that likes the Keon Coleman 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:13.760 types like I need separation at the top of the 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:16.760 route and if you want that, Xavier Worthy's guy all that. 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:18.960 I think one thing about Xavier Worthy that we have 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:22.319 to remember this is not just a really good combine tester. 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.640 This is a guy that has great film at Texas 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:27.120 on top of the fact that he broke the combine record. 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.400 I think a lot of people come swooping in towards 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:31.880 this time of year and are like, well, what makes 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:34.640 this guy different from Taekwon? What makes this guy different 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:36.680 from John Ross or some of these other guys that 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:40.760 ran really fast. His film at Texas shows legit route 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:42.400 running on top of the fact that he runs a 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:43.000 four to two to one. 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:44.360 I love both the Texas kids. 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:45.480 So that's all there, you go. 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:47.840 We could talk about receivers all day long, but this 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:49.560 is going to be a show about offensive line. So 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:51.240 we four of us sat down and. 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:54.000 Oh right, yeah, I totally forgot about that. 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:57.080 So check out. Here are our discussion on the offensive line. 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:58.240 All right, we're here in the studio. 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:00.880 We're gonna be talking offensive lines, and guys, this is 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.319 a big position, a need. First though, I gotta welcome 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:06.680 in Chris Cassidy making his debut here on Patriots Draft Countdown. 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:08.400 Chris, we do good. You kind of you play a 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:09.920 little offensive line? Yeah, a little bit. 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:12.559 I dabbled, dabbled in high school, not so much in college, 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.720 so eligibility left well four years. But I don't think 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:16.440 I'm gonna be taking that. 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:20.199 Okay, So guys, we do as we get through free agency. 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:21.679 At least the initial part this is this is a 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:23.520 big need on this team and they didn't really address 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:25.120 it with it with a notable piece at least when 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:28.240 we're recording this right now. So sizeable need maybe not 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:29.920 something they could take. But Evan, I'm gonna start with 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:31.839 you because you have, like you said, there are about 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:33.840 nine guys I have a kind of go in the 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:35.599 first round. I think you're gonna just rattle some of 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:35.959 them off. 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:37.320 So is that what we want me to do? 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:39.600 Because it's it's the easiest way to do this right now, 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:41.360 we can just talk about the ones that we like. 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.480 Obviously at the top you have Oli, Shanu and or 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.240 fash Now. I'm gonna get it right, Olu fash Now 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:49.720 and Joe Alt the time we go, j C. Latham, 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:53.880 Marius Smith is from Georgia, Talise Fugawa from Oregon State, 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:57.120 Tyler Geiton, Jordan Morgan, Troy fott Now, Kingsley, Sue, and 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:00.760 I tie Patrick Paul. I would say that ten right 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:05.040 there or nine, whatever that is, is the start of 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.120 the first I would say top fifty picks in the draft. 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.240 You're talking about at least nine guys in the top fifty, 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.760 maybe six in the first round. It's gonna be a 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.480 top heavy class, but it's there's a ton of talent 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:18.000 at the top. 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:19.600 So we know, like you said, a ton of talent 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:21.560 at the top. Maybe not what the Patriots are gonna hit. 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:23.840 Maybe we've talked about trading back up into the second 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:26.440 round to maybe or low first round, maybe early second 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.640 round is where the Patriots already are, but they probably 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:31.240 not gonna have a chance of those top guys. Maybe 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:32.800 some of the lesser ones though, guys, So let's just 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:34.640 kind of go around. We've all been doing our studying. 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:36.800 We found some guys we like, maybe that like you know, 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:40.560 day two, kind of in that range, Paul, what caught. 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:42.880 Your eye here on your extensive that. 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:44.640 Showed up to the midterm and hasn't been at the 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:48.000 class all year? You know me in the offensive line, 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:50.640 I don't go as in depth as most and certainly 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.720 not anywhere near as in depth as Evan does. I 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:57.040 do love those two guys at the top, and if 0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:59.440 for whatever, I just want to throw the caveat out 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:00.920 the ear for whatever, for a reason, they don't love 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:04.360 one of the quarterbacks. You know, these two guys, Alton 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:10.480 fashion Now, fashion Now, those two guys are outstanding prospects. 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:12.680 So that would be the only way you could get 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:14.600 them is if you decided to trade down and maybe 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:16.480 you end up at eight or nine and one of 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:18.440 those guys falls in your lap. I do like the 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:22.200 Alabama guy. I kind of feel like that's a pretty 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:25.560 strong tradition of offensive lineman. They're not without you know, 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:29.560 Alex Leatherwooding. You know, there's there's some misses and whatnot. 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:33.400 But I do like JC Latham, and I felt like 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:37.600 the kid from Georgia Mims is so ridiculously athletic, but 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:39.560 doesn't have a lot of playing experience, So that kind 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:41.240 of worries me a little bit, and I wonder if 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:43.360 that causes him to drop a little bit. A lot 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:45.280 of people feel like he's one of those that Evan 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:49.400 just mentioned, and maybe because very little real starting experience 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:53.600 experience in college. That's a lot like he doesn't have 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.240 anywhere near the amount of snaps that most of these 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.600 other guys come out of college with. Maybe that helps you. 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:00.960 Maybe he drops down in the the second round and 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.040 you can grab him. Doubtful, but I like the athleticism. 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:06.840 That's probably all I got. No, that's not bad. 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:10.080 I honestly Mims start with him just because you did 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.200 seven career starts. He only has eight hundred snaps in 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.400 college under his belt. Some of these guys were going 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:17.480 to talk about over the next couple of weeks have 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:21.200 fifty career starts in college. So he's someone that is very, 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:24.240 very raw doesn't have a ton of tape that I 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:28.840 definitely think is a profile that typically does project to 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:30.800 the early second round when you start to talk about 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.800 guys that just have these little red flags here and there, 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.280 nothing major off the field or anything like that, but 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:39.600 hasn't been healthy, didn't really win the starting job early 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:40.440 on in his career. 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:41.880 That's Mims. 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:45.440 His opportunity to start as the full time starter was 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:47.680 last year and he injured his ankle and had to 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:49.720 have tight road surgery came back at the end of 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:54.040 the year. So he has someone that has all oozing 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.320 with physical talent. If we're talking about a player that 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:59.160 made fifty career starts in college, he's probably a top 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:01.920 ten pick off of raw tools and the film that 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:05.560 it was available, but it's just a very small sample sized. 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:05.840 Yeah. 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:11.280 Yeah, obviously, alt is in my mind, one of the 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.800 most can't miss prospects in this draft, if not the 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:16.879 most can't miss prospect in this draft, because of his 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:21.040 athleticism and because of his experience and really just a 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:24.480 very seasoned tackle prospect, someone that just looks like he's 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:26.680 going to walk off the bus on an NFL field 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:30.639 and be a starter right away. He's extremely athletic, great feet, 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:35.480 great posture in his stance, great balance, really recognizes things 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:37.960 happening in front of him post snap movement, things like that. 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.240 He's awesome to watch. I mean, he's one of those 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:43.240 guys that I get all excited about just watching him 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:46.760 on film. Fasher now is a little bit more raw, 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:50.520 I would say, but his physical tools are immense, but 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:54.000 he doesn't necessarily have the technique down as smoothly as 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:56.679 alt does, So he could be someone that would be 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.080 available in some of those trade down scenarios that Paul 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:02.679 is talking about. I think alts Floor is probably the 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:05.840 fifth or sixth pick in the draft, depending on who 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.320 makes those picks and where based off of trades. 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.160 Before we get Chris going, because I'm curious to hear 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.359 you know some of your different guys, some of the 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:16.919 different names. One thing that really stuck stood out to 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.359 me when watching like these top I watched the top 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:22.000 eight or ten of them really solid, Almost every one 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:25.280 of them. Pass protection is really really strong. Some of 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:28.200 them are not to me as as good in the 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:31.040 run game. And some of these guys, I think, you know, 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.240 Evan likes to talk about the zone schemes that maybe 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:34.760 they want to be a little bit more athletic and 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:36.840 a little bit mobile. Some of these guys have that 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:40.280 and they're run blocking techniques, a little bit more mobile, 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.160 but really impressive. I think you look at all these 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:45.800 top guys that there's almost like no sacks allowed for 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:46.159 any of them. 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:47.680 Yeah, we don't want to get too carried away because 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:49.720 probably Patriots, unless they trade down, probably not going to 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:51.920 get these top ranked guys. But Chris, we talked a 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:54.520 little bit about some lower round guys or even you know, midday. 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:56.560 What do you who stood out to you? 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.040 Yeah, No, I looked at about like seven or so guys, 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:01.280 like say the Patriots go the quarterback ground one or 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:03.840 wide a round one, you know, guys I could follow 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.720 a second, third, fourth round. Even just did a little 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.080 bit of research. Again, seven guys, I mean I looked 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.760 at the zag centers of the world, Christian mahoganies. But 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:13.680 there are three guys that really stood out to me. 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:15.560 I mean those are more interior alignment. You don't really 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:18.399 need that necessarily this season. You have to see what 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:20.639 Cole Strange can do coming up, but hopefully that'll be 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:25.840 something solid. But yeah, three guys. One of them Evan 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:31.119 already mentioned was Kingsley assumataie. I mean he's a big fella. 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:33.719 He's six four, three hundred twenty six pounds. You know, 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:36.920 he's got great speed, right a five four forty five 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:39.440 four forty yard dash at the combine. 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:42.760 You know you should have seen Evan staring at him 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:43.320 at the combine. 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:45.960 He was just like, okay, So, so I'm glad you 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:48.400 brought up Kingsley because that's my guy at thirty four. 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:54.200 So athleticism off the charts. Why cousin Penny Sewell, So 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:57.200 he has it in his blood right and offensive line 0:19:57.240 --> 0:19:59.000 is one of those positions. And I know we do 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:01.520 this in a lot of other instances, like Marvin Harrison 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:03.760 Junior with his dad and Patrick sart Tan years ago 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:07.200 with his dad. But offensive line is a unique position. 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:09.679 And when you have it in your blood like that 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:12.640 is I love that. I love when you yeah, when 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.719 you just have that lineage of I've just grew up 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:17.800 with this. You know, I grew up doing past sets 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:20.520 in my backyard. That's what I want to hear from 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:23.680 my offensive lineman. And that's what Kingsley was talking about 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:26.800 doing with his cousin, with Penny Sewell and They are 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:30.840 very similar body types and very similar athleticism. Maybe not 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:34.600 quite as as polished as Penny was coming out of college, 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:36.400 which is why he's gonna go a little bit later 0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:40.200 than Penny Sewell did. But in terms of body type athleticism, 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:44.280 he's actually more athletic than Penny sewel is from the 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:47.800 combine testing, so's he's got a loays to go with 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:50.399 his technique a little bit, but in terms of just 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:52.760 raw tools, he's a really good bet. 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:53.200 Yeah. 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:54.960 And one of the stats really stuck out to me 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:58.520 was in twenty twenty two, three hundred and sixty one 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:01.199 snaps to not give up one sack. So that's a 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:04.240 huge number. I mean, Patriots were one of the highest 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:07.159 pressure teams in the league last season, and I mean 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:09.160 went through two quarterbacks and you saw both of them 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:13.000 go down multiple times, and I mean having a protection 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:16.800 like that is huge. One other person, I'm gonna try 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:21.040 my best to pronounce the dame, but Kieran ahmud Imad, 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:26.440 I thought I got it earlier. Dodgy, Yeah, yeah, he's 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:30.639 from Yale. I didn't mention m. Kingsley's from BYU, but 0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:35.320 from Yale. You know, Kieran another big fella six three 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.720 twenty six as well, only one secle out in twenty 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:42.959 four games. Again, good speed on that outside. You can 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:45.200 put them really left or right tackle, whatever you want 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:48.800 to choose. That's, of course you want to expect on 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:52.000 one new to step down to an interior ligneman type role. 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:54.840 That's More's bill, That's what he fits. But I want 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:55.920 to know what you guys think about him. 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:58.439 Possibly, yeah, yeah, you know, I think that the biggest 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.600 thing when you look at him is obviously the jump 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:04.840 up in competition, especially at the offensive line. You want 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:07.159 to see a guy that dominates at that level of 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:10.679 competition if you're gonna draft him early, which you probably 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:14.320 are in maybe the third round, you know, top one hundred. 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:19.680 Certainly I saw some dominant streaks, but it wasn't as 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.120 dominant as maybe some of the other lower level guys 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:23.280 I've seen in years past. 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:25.120 But he's definitely got the tools. 0:22:25.160 --> 0:22:27.640 I think one thing that works against him sometimes those 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:30.280 guys that are really really tall, it kind of works 0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:32.719 against him in the leverage and pad level situation. So 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:35.120 he's got to get some more flexibility and be able 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:38.280 to get down. But in terms of raw tools, definitely 0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:41.199 fits the mold and you hope it just translates to 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:42.600 the next level. I wish I'd seen him at the 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:45.440 Senior Bowl, but he either wasn't there or had an 0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:50.160 injury or something like that. But it's it's tough sometimes 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:52.720 to project those guys to the next level. But every 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:54.639 once in a while, you see a guy that just 0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:56.719 looks like a man amongst boys at you know, a 0:22:56.760 --> 0:23:00.359 lower level IVY League D two whatever it is, and he, 0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:01.800 I would say, fits that Bill. 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:04.120 Yeah, two more, Chris, you got who too? I got 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:04.480 one more? 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:04.800 One more? 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:05.320 I one more? 0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:06.560 Well, I guess I got two more. 0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:10.399 But this one, uh one of my favorite, one of 0:23:10.400 --> 0:23:14.919 the more I guess interesting people that I studied. Javon 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:18.320 Foster out in the zoo. Uh again, another big fella. 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:21.560 And there's two offensive tackles that are in the upcoming 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:26.680 draft that ranked uh PFF over eighty in both categories 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:29.240 pass blocking and run blocking. And it was Joe Walt 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:35.720 and Javon Foster. And those are two huge statistical focuses there. 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:39.439 And you know, somebody with that type of stature and 0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:43.360 that type of excuse me ability could go a long 0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:44.640 way with this offensive line. 0:23:44.840 --> 0:23:47.719 Yes, he was a Senior Bowl guy. Definitely a riser 0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:49.879 on Senior Bowl week and just a maler. 0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:50.320 Yeah. 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:52.879 I think, you know, a little bit smaller than I 0:23:52.920 --> 0:23:55.919 was expecting terms of weight. He's like six five three twenty, 0:23:56.280 --> 0:23:58.000 but it reminded me a lot of like a Marcus 0:23:58.040 --> 0:24:01.720 Cannon type of Patriots right tackle. Bit more stocky guard build, 0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:04.840 but definitely has the play strength. And you could see 0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:07.240 him just getting on double teams with the kid from Yukon, 0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:09.000 who I'm blanging on his name right now, the guard 0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:11.480 and those two guys just were moving the line of 0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:15.320 scrimmage together, yeah, Haynes. Yeah, And they were really good 0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:17.440 down there in Mobile. And I look at him, I 0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:19.440 look at a guy like Christian Jones from Texas to 0:24:19.960 --> 0:24:22.760 as maybe guys that could slip into the fourth round 0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:24.640 there for the Patriots at the top of Day three 0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:27.680 when they're on the clock, as you know, good prospects 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:28.240 at that spot. 0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:32.480 I'm gonna throw out four Deuce's mid round guys, mostly 0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:34.520 from the combine, but Tyland Grabil was the number one 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:37.840 athletic score from UCF. Really athletic tackle is you know, 0:24:37.920 --> 0:24:41.239 developmental guys. Julian Pearl another one thirty five and an 0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:44.520 eighth inch Arms liked him a little bit from Illinois, 0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:47.760 good link. Walter Rouse from Oklahoma, another guy big, got 0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:49.919 the size, you know, just needs to develop a little bit. 0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:54.040 And finally Kid Wallace from Penn State, another highly athletic 0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:57.119 guy that developmental, you know. And I think that's I 0:24:57.119 --> 0:24:58.480 don't know, I don't know where they're going to land 0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:00.800 in that like early second round, you know, late first 0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:02.399 maybe if they get somebody in there, but it just 0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:04.320 feels like a double dip kind of position. And one 0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:06.719 of these guys who has a lot of athleticism that 0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:09.159 you could probably at least develop for the future, so 0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:11.280 you're not getting back into this problem where you have 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:12.040 no tackles. 0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:14.040 Yeah, yeah, I would say the only other ones that 0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:17.560 we haven't mentioned just quickly. Patrick Paul from Houston is 0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:20.480 a good second round target for the Patriots. Made forty 0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:23.119 forty five career starts at left tackle at Houston, so 0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:25.800 his experience, I'm not sure if he's necessarily going to 0:25:25.840 --> 0:25:29.159 get significantly better. He's kind of tapped out physically, but 0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:32.080 definitely someone that could step in and maybe play year 0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:34.600 one just because of how much college experience he had. 0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:37.280 And then you're really talking about guys that if they 0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:39.359 did decide to trade back into the back end of 0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:42.320 the first round. You know Tyler Geitton for example, you know, 0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:44.119 is he someone that you would want to go up 0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:47.040 and get Those types of players are there. You know 0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:51.679 Troy fought Now from Washington, he passed the thresholds for 0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:53.639 tackles in terms of arm light. That was a question 0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:56.440 mark with him coming into the combine. Maybe a guy 0:25:56.480 --> 0:25:58.960 that would be you know, twenty five twenty to twenty 0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:00.840 five range that you could sneak back up in the 0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:03.320 first round and grab two. So it really is one 0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:05.959 of those positions that early on, if they want that 0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:09.199 day one impact starter, they got to jump on the parade. 0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:11.040 We talk about this all the time because they're just 0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:13.720 gonna go. So once they're off the board and you 0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:16.280 start getting into some of these other guys that Duce 0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:19.159 mentioned or the Yale Kid or whatever, you're starting to 0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:21.920 get into more developmental guys that are probably not gonna 0:26:21.920 --> 0:26:22.719 be rookie starters. 0:26:23.000 --> 0:26:25.159 I just wanted to throw and I don't remember if 0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:27.520 Evan had this in your list at the beginning. 0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:29.720 The Duke Kid Barton. 0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:33.760 More so, because I thought he was really and I'm 0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:36.879 still sticking into the old patriotsing the versatility played some 0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:39.359 center played, some left tackle. Not a lot of guys 0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:42.879 play like interior and then tackle. So you know, you 0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:45.199 think Mike gol when you you know a guy with 0:26:45.240 --> 0:26:48.480 some versatility inside out. Yeah, not one of the top 0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:50.760 rated guys, but maybe a guy on day two. 0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:53.200 I put Dominic Puny in there too. Another guy play 0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:54.200 a bunch of different spots. 0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:55.600 Graham Barton is the kid. 0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:58.199 Yes, so Graham Barton projects as a guard at the 0:26:58.200 --> 0:27:02.440 next level. But somebody that could back up attack almost 0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:04.720 like a different player than on Wenny. But just say 0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:08.320 idea that he could back up drawing stuff that you like, Yeah, 0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:10.600 could you know pin and poll? You know that kind 0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:12.720 of stuff that runs a pin poll? You want pin poll, 0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:14.800 you want zone And I'm telling you Kingsley sum I 0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:17.440 Tie is the guy. That guy you watch him on tape. 0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:19.960 You watch him get into space, get out of his stance, 0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:21.840 first step, all that stuff checks. 0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:25.320 All So adding that into my word dictionary, this quickness 0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:29.600 is just so which part yeah, Kingsley, Oh yeah, the 0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:30.040 whole thing. 0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:31.160 Well, there we go, guys. 0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:34.080 We did the first positional preview here offensive line. A 0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:35.960 lot of names huge need for the Patriots. 0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:36.119 Now. 0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:38.240 Evan also had a chance to talk to Brandon Thorn, 0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:40.640 who gives his expert opinion on a bunch of these 0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:41.320 guys as well. 0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:43.160 So trying to cover all the bases here. 0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:45.440 Check out what Evan end and Brandon had to say. 0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:48.480 All right, everybody, I'm very excited to join, but be 0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:50.719 joined by there we go, all right, Ben a long day, 0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:54.120 be joined by Brandon Thorn, he writes for a Trench Warfare. 0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:57.280 Give him a subscription on there, and also Bleacher Report 0:27:57.359 --> 0:28:01.040 and Brandon, I use your Bleacher Report scouting reports all 0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:04.040 the time on the offensive line. I always love looking 0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:07.199 at your insight and your rankings and everything like that. 0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:09.439 So that's a great resource. All you got to do 0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:13.160 is google Joe all to bleacher Report, Joel Brandon Thorn, 0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:16.000 and his full scouting report will pop right up on 0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:18.040 your screen for you to read about these guys. And 0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:21.320 you know way more about all these technical terms and 0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:22.840 things like that than I do, so it's a lot 0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:25.040 of fun to read though. So thanks so much for 0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:27.000 doing this and happy to have you here. 0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:32.120 Yeah, man, I'm always happy to talk with you and yeah, 0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:35.000 excited to be here. So thanks for inviting me. 0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:38.640 No problem, no problem. I talked to you at the 0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:42.200 combine briefly, and I probably kept you for a little 0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:45.040 bit too long just asking you questions about every single 0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:48.200 Patriots offensive lineman and where they fit on the roster. 0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:51.280 So I did want to start really quickly off the top. 0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:54.640 They obviously resigned Mike on Wenu, big move for them 0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:58.200 this offseason in free agency. Where do you see him 0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:01.360 fitting into this equation in the Alex Van Pelt offense. 0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:04.040 There's a lot of conversations about if he fits at 0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:06.320 tackle in a more zone based scheme. 0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:11.600 Yeah, I mean, I just think even kind of regardless 0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:14.280 of scheme. I know there's probably some nuances there, you know, 0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:15.880 to where he's a little bit better fit at this 0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:19.360 position in that scheme, But just generally, I think at 0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:21.880 right guard is the spot that you want to put 0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:24.760 him in pretty much all schemes and you'll probably get, 0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:28.320 at the end of the day, the best version of him. Uh. 0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:30.920 You know, we talked about this as the combine, and 0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:33.840 I think his contract kind of alludes to more of 0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:37.520 a guard as well, based on you know, kind of 0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:39.640 what I know at least I'm not a contract expert, 0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:42.920 but just the fact that he can do both though, 0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:46.000 is you know, extremely valuable and it just adds flexibility 0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:48.000 to how you build stuff out. And then if stuff 0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:50.040 goes wrong with injuries or whatever, you know, you have 0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:53.000 a guy like that, it's just adds to his value. 0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:55.440 But I think when you watch his film over the 0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:59.200 last several years, uh, you know, it's with a highlight 0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:03.200 on last year in particular, he's clearly better at garden 0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:07.320 than tackle and that stems from pass protection, you know, 0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:10.080 where I guess in a Van Pelt scheme, maybe that 0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:13.240 could be mitigated to a degree with you know, whether 0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:15.520 it's RPOs or play action, you know, being a run 0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:20.719 first offense, things like that. But on an island, you know, 0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:26.800 the range or lack thereof to protect the corner against 0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:29.920 you know, high side rushes from wide alignments from good 0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:33.960 or better players. I mean, it's just shaky. So you 0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:36.000 can kind of mitigate that a little bit inside and 0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:39.320 get the best of him and allow his play strength 0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:42.280 and his size and his power you know, to really shine. 0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:47.000 And I just think it's interesting because CD so you know, 0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:49.120 was there and I thought him and so in the 0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:52.200 run game with on one would tackle. You know, that 0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:56.240 was awesome but passpro with both of them, you know, 0:30:56.360 --> 0:30:59.280 with Shaky understandably. So it's so being a rookie, you know, 0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:01.480 day three pick, but now that you've got a CORPS 0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:03.840 four in there, it tells me, you know, maybe they 0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:06.160 are thinking more guards. So I don't know, it's it's 0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:08.320 still kind of up in the air and there's variables there, 0:31:08.360 --> 0:31:11.880 but you know, I like the depth on the interior. 0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:13.560 I think overall though too. 0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:16.480 Yeah, I would get into a Corps for but we 0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:18.880 really do want to focus on the draft specifically on 0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:21.479 this show. So I'll get into some of the draft 0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:25.000 guys and I just start at the top. I obviously 0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:27.400 love Joe Alt. I think we all can see the 0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:30.640 talent there. It's not maybe the most popular pick among 0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:33.320 Patriots fans to take a tackle early on in the 0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:36.440 draft over a quarterback or Marvin Harrison Junior or something 0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:39.280 like that. But what makes Joe Walt such a great 0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:40.520 prospect in your mind? 0:31:41.920 --> 0:31:44.280 Yeah, just to you know, piggyback on that, I think 0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:47.239 ideally you trade down in draft jolt, but yeah, if 0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:49.400 you do pick him at three, I mean I still think, Yeah, 0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:53.400 the part that makes him, you know, so appealing is 0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:55.480 I think you look at the fact that he is 0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:57.840 so young. You know, he's like a month or two 0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:00.480 younger than even Olu, you know, for Seanna from in State, 0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:03.640 who is considered a very young player. So I think 0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:06.120 they just they both turned just twenty one, are about 0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:07.920 to turn twenty one, so they're gonna be twenty one 0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:11.200 for the duration of the rookie year. And the fact 0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:14.560 that he is so young and so polished with his technique, 0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:18.520 specifically as a run blocker. That's the thing when you 0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:20.440 watch this film that really jumped out to me. For 0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:22.360 a guy being almost six ' nine, you know, a 0:32:22.440 --> 0:32:25.800 legit six ' eight, you know, three twenty plus, the 0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:28.520 leverage that he plays with in the run game is 0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:32.720 just tremendous. Like he's a Notre Dame offensive lineman personified. 0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:36.520 It's just he's six ' eight, long arms, and really athletic, 0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:40.600 and you know, I just so I love that he 0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:43.880 has that part of his game that is really gonna, 0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:47.800 I think, create a high floor for him as a player. 0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:50.120 And then the pass pro the traits are certainly there. 0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:52.160 I mean, he's good too. He's productive as a pass 0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:55.600 protector in terms of blocking guys with good technique, and 0:32:56.280 --> 0:32:58.640 you know, having the athletic ability to certainly do it. 0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:03.120 Not the most powerful guy you know that is in 0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:05.640 the draft or you know, or anything like that. He 0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:08.120 plays a lot like Jake Matthews, but he's in like 0:33:08.200 --> 0:33:11.520 Nate Soldier's body. That's kind of like what I've seen 0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:15.320 from him, you know, since I wrote his report, you know, 0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:18.719 in December or whatever it was, So yeah, I think 0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:21.520 he kind of confirmed. They tests very similarly to Nate 0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:24.320 Solder coming out of Colorado. It's just I think he's 0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:27.959 a higher quality prospect than he was, and you know, 0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:31.480 I just, yeah, it's tough to poke holes in his game. 0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:33.600 Aside from saying that he's not the most powerful guy. 0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:36.600 Yeah, you mentioned Nate Solder. Obviously everybody here is familiar 0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:39.280 with Nate Soldier's game. And the one thing I remember 0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:42.040 talking to to Scarnekia and some of the coaches about 0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:45.560 with Nate Solder is that he was honestly almost too tall, 0:33:46.000 --> 0:33:48.960 where you know, his lower half was in flexible enough 0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:51.959 and sometimes leverage and stuff like that was an issue. 0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:56.480 But you just kind of perfectly said about how that's 0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:59.480 not really a concern with joll because of how flexible 0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:01.600 he is in his lowers to be able to get 0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:03.160 down and create leverage. 0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:06.160 Yeah, that's that's the part that impressed me more than 0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:08.400 anything watching him on film. I mean, I was pretty 0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:11.279 floored by his run blocking on film because when you 0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:14.360 see him in his stance on film, you could tell 0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:19.200 he's huge. Just he's just an enormous dude. So typically 0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:22.520 those guys, when they get out of their stance, especially 0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:25.040 post contact in the second, third, fourth phase of the 0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:28.720 rum block, the pads just rise and they gradually lose leverage. 0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:31.239 They get to spots quick but then in terms of 0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:35.160 sustaining and finishing, it gets real dicey really quickly. But 0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:38.799 for him, his ability to keep his pads down, you know, 0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:42.160 bend at the ankle's knees and hips, sustain move his feet. 0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:46.040 He has a good feel you know for body positioning 0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:48.840 on blocks, and he plays a great effort. He's a 0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:52.839 great finisher. So his ability to sustain and finish rum 0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:56.000 blocks at a guy his size is really I think 0:34:56.080 --> 0:35:00.640 the most rare part of his evaluation, like what he offers, 0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:04.040 you know, and so yeah, it's it's it's quite a 0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:06.879 bit different than they soldier, uh, you know, in how 0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:09.160 it manifests on the field, you know their skill. 0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:11.160 Set, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Before we move on to the 0:35:11.200 --> 0:35:14.279 Day two guys, just quickly. It probably won't be the 0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:17.360 Patriots that take Olu Fashanu, but maybe in a trade 0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:19.640 down scenario or something like that, it ends up being 0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:23.160 more of a conversation. Let's say they trade with, you know, 0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:26.480 someone like at eleven the Minnesota Vikings for example, or 0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:29.279 something maybe more of Ashani's range. What do you see 0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:31.920 with him that is he as pro ready to you 0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:34.919 as Alt is? And you do you think that both 0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:39.000 those guys are plug and play Day one franchise left tackles. 0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:45.040 I do think that Olu is a plug and play starter. 0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:48.000 You know, I gave him a grade that suggests he's 0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:51.879 a you know, a really good starter right away now, 0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:54.920 you know, in terms of being as pro ready or 0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:57.640 polished as Joe Walt, I don't. I don't think that's 0:35:57.680 --> 0:36:01.480 the case. And so you with Olu, like I think 0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:04.200 the thing that his kind of trump card, you know, 0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:07.240 if you will, as a prospect is his pass protection 0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:11.200 ability and just how natural his movements are in past protection, 0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:16.600 getting out of his stance, mirroring guys, recovering, anchoring, utilizing 0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:19.680 his length, in a really nice way with independent hands. 0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:23.040 And you saw that two years ago when he stepped 0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:25.799 onto the field for the first time in college and 0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:28.080 just how natural he was, and that pretty much carried 0:36:28.080 --> 0:36:31.120 through for all twenty one or whatever starts that he 0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:34.080 had aside from the Ohio State game this year. You 0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:37.600 really can't poke many holes in his game as a 0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:40.720 pass protector aside from that one tape, because I pretty 0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:43.560 much watched him all and I think that's the case now. 0:36:43.680 --> 0:36:47.319 Run blocking is a different story. He's much more raw 0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:52.000 there than Joe Walt, although you did see progress this 0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:55.800 year after that Ohio State game in particular, the rest 0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:58.520 of the season were his best tapes as a run blocker. 0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:01.360 He really kind of flipped to switch after that game. 0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:04.120 And I remember talking to him about it a little 0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:05.759 bit as well during the time, because I had a 0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:09.520 question about a clip against Ohio State that he you know, 0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:13.279 answered for me, and he basically said, like, you know, yeah, 0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:15.160 I know that was my worst game, and you know, 0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:18.759 he was highly motivated to correct that and he did so. 0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:21.440 Just the fact that he and what I mean by 0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:24.480 that is a run blocker, like his ability or struggles 0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:27.960 to sustain and finish blocks, letting guys get off of 0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:30.839 him a little early, across his face and just kind 0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:33.759 of fall off stuff a little prematurely. That was kind 0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:36.319 of prevalent throughout his career, I thought, and you just 0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:42.040 always wanted a little bit more physicality and just control 0:37:42.160 --> 0:37:44.319 from him. But then, like I said, after that game, 0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:46.160 he showed it. So that was really encouraging to me 0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:48.759 that that's just the fact that you could see it now. 0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:50.759 It doesn't need to be more consistent and things like that. 0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:53.120 But yeah, it's kind of an inverse thing. Like Joe Walt, 0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:55.800 you're getting a really really polished, high end run blocker 0:37:56.120 --> 0:37:58.880 and a good pass protector, and then Olu, I think 0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:02.000 you're getting a really really polished past protector and maybe 0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:05.600 like a below average to average rum blocker. But again 0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:08.200 they're so young and all that. I would expect those 0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:11.040 things to improve, yeah, at least a little bit. 0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:14.120 So yeah, yeah, two really good prospects there. I'm gonna 0:38:14.120 --> 0:38:17.080 skip over a group that I feel like is in 0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:20.759 a weird spot for the Patriots, you know, the Talisa Fugawa's, 0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:23.759 the J. C. Lathams, like those guys probably gonna go 0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:26.319 somewhere in between the Patriots two picks. So let's go 0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:29.360 to the top of day two at thirty four, which 0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:32.359 is they take a quarterback at three. Then thirty four 0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:35.160 is probably the pick that's going to be earmarked for 0:38:35.480 --> 0:38:38.239 a tackle. One would think, who are some of the 0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:41.000 guys that a you could see falling to that spot, 0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:44.680 but be more importantly that you like on film. 0:38:44.960 --> 0:38:49.239 Yeah, so yeah, so Latham would be my tackle three. 0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:52.359 My tackle four is Varus Mims, you know. So I'd 0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:54.839 assume those guys are gone, and then you know five 0:38:54.880 --> 0:38:58.680 and six Tyler, Geydon and Kingsley Swim Mattia from BYU 0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:02.319 Guians probably gone. Sue and Matia there, I would say 0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:05.440 it probably starts at Sue and Matia as a guy 0:39:05.480 --> 0:39:08.480 who could potentially be there, uh at your pick at 0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:11.399 thirty four. So he's a guy I do like, I mean, 0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:14.520 I gave him, you know, a let me just get 0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:18.040 the potential impact starter. So like a low end second 0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:21.360 round pick, I'm sure you know that's gonna get a bump, 0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:23.919 as tackles do. He's gonna probably be a late first 0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:27.839 round pick. But there is just more of this sort 0:39:27.880 --> 0:39:30.240 of rawness that we've spoke about. But it's it's pretty 0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:32.440 much in all areas of his game, I think, as 0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:35.319 opposed to just one, uh there, there's a lot to 0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:38.760 work with there in terms of physical traits, height, weight, length, 0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:43.800 frame build, athletic ability, the way he moves, it's natural 0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:47.400 for him. You could tell he's a former five star recruit. 0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:51.520 You know, he's cousins with Pine Sewel and trains with him, 0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:54.759 and you know, chances are he's going to develop at 0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:57.200 least into a solid starter. If not, you know, he 0:39:57.200 --> 0:39:59.359 could potentially be really good. Who knows. But he came 0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:02.719 out as a retro sophomore, you know, so he's just 0:40:02.960 --> 0:40:06.280 young and raw, but it'll be really interesting to see. 0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:09.400 So he's one guy that I would say would be 0:40:09.440 --> 0:40:12.879 available and actually kind of add value, have value at 0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:15.960 that pick. After that, I mean, I have a lot 0:40:15.960 --> 0:40:18.560 of tackles that are kind of projected inside but could 0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:22.239 play inside that could be available there. The first one 0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:26.040 that comes to mind is probably Jordan Morgan from Arizona, 0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:32.080 who's you know, he's a big, strong guy. Came back 0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:35.959 from a torn acl really quickly this past year, less 0:40:36.000 --> 0:40:37.840 than a year, I think like nine months, and he 0:40:38.000 --> 0:40:40.759 started the whole year, which was impressive. But he has 0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:43.399 kind of a reoccurring issue in pass protection. That leads 0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:46.680 to me to believe that it'd probably be best that 0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:49.120 he kicks inside, although I'm sure and I've heard teams 0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:53.239 are gonna view him as a tackle. But yeah, you know, 0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:55.640 those two guys if I had to bet top of 0:40:55.680 --> 0:40:59.080 the second round to play tackle, Jordan Morgan and Kings 0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:02.040 of Suwamatia would probably be my best bets there. 0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:04.960 What do you think about Patrick Paul from Houston? 0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:08.200 Because I feel like he's always projected a little bit 0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:10.239 after those two guys that you mentioned, but a little 0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:12.000 bit before the next wave of guys. 0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:13.879 Is sort of that tweeener on day two. 0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:18.240 Yeah, so I have more of a third round grade 0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:22.880 on Patrick Paul, but certainly, like you know, traits wise, 0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:25.480 you got to start there. You know, he's you know, 0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:27.520 six seven, six ' eight. I think he's six seven, 0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:31.640 like three thirty three twenty three thirty you know, elite length, 0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:34.880 you know, thirty six plus in charms and he's really 0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:37.880 strong actually when he actually gets his hands inside. But 0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:40.000 that's the problem. He struggles to kind of get his 0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:43.399 hands inside of guys. He's very wide and kind of 0:41:44.280 --> 0:41:47.440 a little uh you know, I don't want to say lazy, 0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:52.239 but just inconsistent with his hand placement I think is 0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:55.480 probably the best term. And that just creates a lot 0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:59.000 of leverage issues, Guys getting inside of him, you know, 0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:01.000 driving him back. You saw it at Senior Bowl one 0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:02.680 on ones, where you see it on tape all over 0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:04.680 the place. I mean, it's just it's up and down. 0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:08.879 But you love the size, you love the strength. And 0:42:09.200 --> 0:42:11.239 the thing that I probably like most about him that's 0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:13.879 kind of most surprising with the guy with his all 0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:16.680 that stuff I just said, is his competitive toughness is very, 0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:20.239 very good. He's physical tone setter, and you don't get 0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:23.279 that a lot at tackle, you know, I don't think 0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:26.520 especially left. So you know, I think he's a better 0:42:26.560 --> 0:42:29.160 prospect than his brother was coming out of Tulsa a 0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:32.080 couple of years ago, Chris Paul. And you know, he's 0:42:32.080 --> 0:42:35.600 working with Duke Mannyweather at Oil Masterminds, which is encouraging 0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:39.040 because most of his issues are technique based. I think 0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:40.640 it would be a little bit of a reach there, 0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:44.799 but I think he could he could feasibly go there, 0:42:44.840 --> 0:42:46.400 you know, I think that's definitely possible. 0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:48.880 Yeah, So before I let you go, just some some 0:42:49.000 --> 0:42:52.160 Day three sleepers. A couple of guys you know from 0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:55.279 the Senior Bowl, Christian Jones, h Javon Foster might be 0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:58.040 you know, early day three if they do slip into 0:42:58.080 --> 0:42:59.960 Day three. Those are two guys I caught my mind, 0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:02.040 but you go, you know, a lot deeper than I do, 0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:04.440 so or any sleepers that that you like on day 0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:05.280 three for the Pats. 0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:09.200 Okay, day three, so we'll assume that Roger Rosengard and 0:43:09.239 --> 0:43:14.400 Blake Fisher are gone. Yeah after them, Yeah, Javon Foster, 0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:16.480 you get into that. The print the or the Yale 0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:22.520 kid is intriguing as a Day three guy to me. Yeah, 0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:26.800 Cayden Wallace maybe, you know, and these guys. You know, 0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:29.560 if I had to pick a favorite pure tackle out 0:43:29.560 --> 0:43:33.279 of those guys, it would definitely be Javon Foster. And 0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:37.759 that's that's because of first, I think the improvement that 0:43:37.840 --> 0:43:40.399 he showed from twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three, 0:43:40.440 --> 0:43:43.160 because I watched him last year thinking he could potentially 0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:45.600 come out, and I just you know, I'm glad he 0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:48.359 went back, and I thought he played with a lot 0:43:48.400 --> 0:43:52.520 more control this year. He's not as kind of wild, 0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:55.040 and you know, he's a heavy two hand strike guy. 0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:57.680 In pass protection, he tries to kind of kill guys 0:43:57.719 --> 0:44:00.000 with his punch and I can get him into trouble. 0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:02.000 He kind of reeled that back a little bit, played 0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:04.799 with more patients. Uh, So for him to show that 0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:06.600 was nice. And then you know, had a really nice 0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:09.840 Senior Bowl as well. Yeah, not perfect, but you know 0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:13.560 good and uh, you know, I just think he's also 0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:15.759 a guy traits guy for sure. In terms of you know, 0:44:15.880 --> 0:44:19.400 high weight, build, length, I would say athletic ability with 0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:23.560 him is uh, you know, maybe like solid, you know 0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:26.520 to good. Not a bad athlete, not a great athlete, 0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:26.959 but good. 0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:27.719 Uh. 0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:32.320 He's coming from a heavy RPO system at at Missouri, 0:44:32.480 --> 0:44:35.239 which you know kind of protected him a little bit 0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:38.120 in past protection, which wouldn't be an issue if he's 0:44:38.160 --> 0:44:41.040 doing that in the pros. But he's you know, that's 0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:43.439 why he's a Day three guy because you just don't 0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:47.160 feel great relying on him. But yeah, if you're picking 0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:49.640 a guy in day three, he kind of reminds me 0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:52.080 of Sean Coleman coming out of years back from Auburn. 0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:56.120 You know, he's he's that kind of guy who he 0:44:56.200 --> 0:45:00.359 has started level size, length and athletic ability, but you're 0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:02.319 going to need to be patient there, and you know, 0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:03.960 ideally he's part of a rotation. 0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:08.680 Yeah, definitely somebody that senior bull riser columns all over 0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:12.160 the place after mobile people mover. That's what I noticed 0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:14.960 about him was his play strength, and I did a 0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:17.319 great job on those double team blocks and things like 0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:18.280 that in those drills. 0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:21.920 Yeah. Yeah, he has power at the point of attack 0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:25.880 for sure, it's just after the fact if guys challenge him, 0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:28.560 he gets out leveraged pretty quickly and he's kind of 0:45:28.640 --> 0:45:32.400 late to adjust. He over extends his body control isn't great, 0:45:32.520 --> 0:45:35.839 but yeah, I mean double teams is a great opportunity 0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:39.400 to just unload on somebody with help and not have 0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:42.680 to rely on It's more about immediate displacement as opposed 0:45:42.719 --> 0:45:45.920 to you know, a base block, you know, where you know, 0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:48.960 it's a lot different in terms of, you know, after 0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:52.000 the point of attack. So yeah, there's certain areas where 0:45:52.040 --> 0:45:54.160 you know, I think he has a lot of appeal 0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:58.040 and could help right away. It's just you know, he 0:45:58.280 --> 0:45:59.960 just needs some work, you know, with technique. 0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:03.480 Yeah, absolutely, he's Brandon Thorne. As you can tell those 0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:05.600 everything there is to know about the offensive line and 0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:09.400 off offensive line guru. You can find him at Trench Warfare. 0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:12.920 Please subscribe there to read Brandon stuff. He does free agency, 0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:14.719 he does the draft, a lot of great write ups 0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:17.440 on all these guys, and obviously on Bleacher Report you 0:46:17.440 --> 0:46:20.320 can read his scouting reports on all the draft prospects 0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:21.960 in the twenty twenty four NFL Draft. 0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:23.080 Thanks for joining us, Brandon. 0:46:23.719 --> 0:46:25.600 Yeah, happy to do it, guys, Thanks for having me. 0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:27.280 All right, that's going to do it for this episode 0:46:27.320 --> 0:46:28.719 of Patriots Draft Countdown. 0:46:28.719 --> 0:46:29.879 Will be back next week. 0:46:29.920 --> 0:46:31.479 It's going to be a busy week for us. Evan, 0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:33.319 you're head nowt to do some pro days. He's going 0:46:33.400 --> 0:46:37.440 to get an up close look at both UNC and Georgia, Right, 0:46:37.480 --> 0:46:41.239 all right, SSU might apologize, I'm going to be I'm 0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:42.879 going to be at the owners meetings, so we'll see 0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:45.359 maybe if some deals get done. So we'll be back 0:46:45.400 --> 0:46:47.880 next week though, taking a look at the secondary. 0:46:47.920 --> 0:46:50.000 And don't worry, all will be here. He's got covered.