1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: This is Patriots Draft Countdown presented by bud Light. 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 2: Welcome to an NFL draft. 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: Posted by the writers of Patriots dot Com. From now 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: until you here, New England Patriotslie, the countdown is on. 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Patriots Draft Countdown presented by bud Light. 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 3: Welcome to Patriots Draft Countdown presented by bud Light, Easy 8 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 3: to Drink, Easy to enjoy, bud Light. 9 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: The official beer sponsor of the New England Patriots. 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 3: And today we're gonna touching on a number of topics 11 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,959 Speaker 3: all related to the draft. We've got a great offensive 12 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 3: line preview. Evan had a chance to sit down and 13 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 3: talk with Brandon Thorne really drilled down on some of 14 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 3: those offensive line prospects. But first here in this first segment, 15 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 3: we're just gonna kind of catch everybody up on some 16 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 3: of the latest news that's happened over the last week 17 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 3: since the last episode relating directly to the Patriots and 18 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 3: how it impacts their draft. 19 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 2: So, guys want to start at the top. Justin Fields. 20 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 3: He is now a Pittsburgh Steeler, So we know we 21 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 3: spent a lot of time talking over the last few 22 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,959 Speaker 3: months about Justin Field's potential to come here. Now he's 23 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 3: kind of off the table to start with you, Paul, 24 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 3: you know, what was kind of your reaction to that, 25 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 3: and how do you think that does that impact the 26 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 3: Patriots at all? 27 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I would say personally, just you know, 28 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 4: very selfishly, I'm glad that he got moved to somebody 29 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 4: so we could sort of stop with Like to me, 30 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 4: when they signed Jakobe Brissett, that kind of eliminated the 31 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 4: Justin Fields portion of the Patriots connection to that possibility, 32 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 4: but the questions were persisting, So I'm glad it kind 33 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 4: of got resolved. I'm not overly surprised. I think if 34 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 4: you saw it, like you know, Chicago had made it 35 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 4: clear that they were looking to deal him. They wanted 36 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 4: to do right by him and move him as quickly 37 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 4: as they could, and it took a while. So that 38 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 4: told me that there wasn't a tremendous amount of interest. 39 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 4: Now they also people around the league. If you're interested 40 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 4: in Justin Fields, you knew Chicago was going to have 41 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 4: to release him at some point if they weren't able 42 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 4: to make a deal, So that lowers the value you know, 43 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 4: a conditional pick if he plays for Pittsburgh, it's a 44 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 4: fourth round pick. If he doesn't, it's a sixth round pick. 45 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 4: So I think it's probably the best for Chicago and 46 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 4: fields Pittsburgh specifically. I know we're not necessarily caring about Pittsburgh. 47 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 4: I think it makes a little sense because I'm not 48 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 4: sold on Russell Wilson, and I know they've said that 49 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 4: it's Russell Wilson's job, but we'll see. 50 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, it makes a lot of sense for Pittsburgh because 51 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 5: they have the twentieth pick in the draft, so they're 52 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 5: not gonna have an opportunity to take a Jayden Daniels 53 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 5: or Drake may or one of these guys. So their 54 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 5: upside play is justin fields, which I think makes sense 55 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 5: for a team like that. But clearly teams like the Commanders, 56 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 5: teams like the Patriots, teams like the Minnesota Vikings, they 57 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 5: didn't have much interest in justin fields because they were 58 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 5: more worried about the guys in the draft and Tyler 59 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 5: talking about contract and value and things like that. Justin 60 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 5: Field's coming up in his fourth year. He's gonna have 61 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 5: to get paid at some point, even if he is 62 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 5: starting caliber or versus starting all over. First year of 63 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 5: a rookie contract. Now you have team control for the 64 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 5: next five years. It's a much different scenario. So I 65 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 5: get it for a team like Pittsburgh. I never really 66 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 5: got it for a team like the Patriots that had 67 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 5: that pick to be able to take a quarterback in 68 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 5: the draft and basically do what people would want you 69 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 5: to do with Justin Fields, which is develop him and 70 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 5: hope that you can tap into the upside. So it 71 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 5: makes sense that he's not coming here makes sense for Pittsburgh. 72 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 5: I think the Justin Fields too, and Justin Fields and 73 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 5: Marvin Harrison junior pairing that everybody called in and emailed in. 74 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 5: Sorry rip to that take. 75 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: That was me. 76 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 6: Tp right up, Like part of me is a little upset. 77 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 6: I've always been a Justin Fields guy. I'm surprised how 78 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 6: cheap he ended up going to Pittsburgh for. But as 79 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 6: Paul said, I'm kind of happy this is done with. 80 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 6: It's fun to, like, you know, picture what could have happened. 81 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 6: But it's done. He's in Pittsburgh. I'll be upset about it, 82 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 6: but I'll. 83 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: Get over it. 84 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 3: So it's just some clarity though as we get into 85 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 3: this last month, it's like, you know, I mean My 86 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 3: favorite part of the draft usually is the day after 87 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 3: the draft, when you're like, here's the ten guys that 88 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 3: you have and you can just kind of focus on 89 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: those instead of doing all this speculation. So that speculation 90 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 3: is now out. So I'm glad about that. But the 91 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 3: Patriots did make a move this weekend, signing kJ Osborne, receiver, 92 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 3: kind of the third receiver there in Minnesota. We know 93 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 3: they missed out on Calvin Ridley really, you know, coming 94 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 3: in with a big offer kind of showing. I think 95 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 3: that this you know, regime understands that you got to 96 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 3: take a big swing on those kind of players. But 97 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 3: they're settling for kJ Osborne, who kind of himself settles 98 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 3: into a group Paul that it kind of looks similar 99 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 3: to me. You know, it's it's kJ Osbourne, It's it's 100 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne. It's a lot of those kind of not 101 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 3: a big outside X guy, a lot of these guys 102 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 3: that you can kind of move around in the slot. 103 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 3: We'll see how it all plays out, but I think 104 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 3: they've got nine receivers on the roster. 105 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 4: Throw Jamario Douglass in there too, and I agree, and listen, 106 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 4: he's been you know, I would say a professional receiver. 107 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 4: I think he's he's been reasonably productive in Minnesota, So 108 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 4: I don't I don't think this is a move like 109 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 4: you just like scoff at. But you do wonder, you know, 110 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 4: where those outside guys, the guys that Evan's been talking 111 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 4: about for the last couple of weeks, those X receivers, 112 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 4: where are they're gonna come from. Mike Williams is still, 113 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 4: you know available, kind of a strange story about him 114 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 4: with the Jets, you know, coming out over the last 115 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 4: couple of days. But I like Osborne. I think it's 116 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 4: a good addition. I think create more competition. You know, 117 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 4: it's some insurance if Kenrick Bourne doesn't you know, bounce back, 118 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 4: you know from the town. Acl is as quickly and 119 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 4: as well as as everybody hopes, so you know, bring 120 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 4: them in, create some competition. You need a lot of 121 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 4: receivers in camp. Those guys run a lot in camp. 122 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: I wann to t up Evan just because what do 123 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 3: you think this does to affect their draft needs? Because 124 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 3: you've talked a lot about it. Paul just mentioned you 125 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 3: talking about it, the need for an outside X. They 126 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 3: got rid of Devonte Parker, who pretty much played that 127 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 3: role last year. I look at this roster, I don't 128 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 3: see anybody on it. So would you say going into 129 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 3: the draft that we don't really need to spend time 130 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 3: thinking about these Z kind of receivers. Let's focus on 131 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 3: guys that could potentially be an X. 132 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say yes, But at the same time, 133 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 5: I would hate to pigeonhole yourself just to one type 134 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 5: of receiver, because that's what it looks like on paper. 135 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 5: You're missing. The Patriots need talent at that position. So 136 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 5: if they grade out Ladd McConkie as a much better 137 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 5: player than Keon coleman, and they should draft Lad McConkie, 138 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 5: they shouldn't draft Keon coleman. You figure it out down 139 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 5: the road. But you look at some of these receivers 140 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 5: in that X mold, some guys they're probably going to 141 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 5: go in the first round. Obviously we know about Marvin 142 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 5: Harrison Junior, Romadoonze, those guys off the top of the draft. 143 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 5: Then you go to the Brian Thomas juniors, the Ady 144 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 5: Mitchell tier, that sort of next wave. Keon Coleman to 145 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 5: me is somewhere in the middle between the next wave. 146 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 5: On Day two in the first round, guys, and then 147 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 5: you'd see some of those probably around three picks, like 148 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 5: a tes Walker, like a Brendan Rice. So I know 149 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 5: a lot of people like because of the lineage and 150 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 5: everything like that. So I think all those guys are 151 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 5: interesting for different reasons. I'm not the biggest fan of 152 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 5: Coleman gives me too many Nikhil Harry vibes with, you know, 153 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 5: no separation, contested catch type of guy. I really do 154 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 5: like Brendan Rice a lot, not just because his father's 155 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 5: Jerry Rice, but just watching him on film. Explosive guy, 156 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 5: can run routes as an ex bigger guy, can win 157 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 5: to tested catches, but also seems to be able to 158 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 5: get separation on slants and breakers, things like that. So 159 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 5: there's some guys there. And then obviously just quickly tes 160 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 5: Walker pairing him with Drake may Is college quarterback. Maybe 161 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 5: they go that direction for you. 162 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 2: So I love it. 163 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 6: I would love it. I need something that moves the needle. 164 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 6: kJ Osborne, it's just tough. We missed out on Ridley 165 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 6: Keenan a left and it's like here's kJ Osbourne, Like, 166 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 6: I don't know, we need something. 167 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 4: So I just met the whole college quarterback receiver. 168 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: I would love that. I would love that. 169 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 5: He scares me a little bit, I'm not gonna lie. 170 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 5: I think part of it is because of the offense 171 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 5: that he played in at North Carolina. It's an air 172 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 5: raid system, so a lot of his reps are just 173 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 5: him running by people in a straight line. And those 174 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 5: types of guys always give me concern because they don't 175 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 5: have a lot of branches on the route tree. Yet 176 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 5: you know, is he going to be able to run 177 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 5: three different levels of routes. Senior Bowl was not a 178 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 5: good week for him either. So as much as I 179 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 5: love the idea of taking the college quarterback and pairing 180 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 5: him with his number one receiver, there are some concerns 181 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 5: with tes Walker on film that you are a little 182 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 5: bit hesitant. Maybe third or fourth round would be good value, 183 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,559 Speaker 5: but I'm probably not taking him inside the top fifty. 184 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 6: If you take someone in the third or the fourth. 185 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 6: As du said, we have nine receivers on a roster. 186 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 6: That's pretty open competition for me. So if you're a rookie, 187 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 6: come in like this is your chance to do it. 188 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 3: So yeah, Well, I mean one more question though, is 189 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 3: usually you know you talk about the X receiver, These 190 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 3: are the big dogs, right, These are the guys that 191 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 3: you know don't need help. They can get off the line, 192 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 3: they can get off press. Is it too much to 193 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 3: kind of hope to develop a guy like that? Not 194 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 3: quite as crazy as like a quarterback, Like usually if 195 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 3: you're in a quarterback Day two, day three, it's it's 196 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 3: a developmental guy. You're probably not having high hopes that 197 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 3: this guy is going to be a star. 198 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: But is it unreasonable to. 199 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 3: Kind of hope that you could take a guy like 200 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 3: that in the middle of the draft and that he 201 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 3: will develop into a legit outside presence that draws coverage 202 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 3: and attention from defenses. 203 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't. 204 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 4: I think it's probably case by case, but I don't 205 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 4: think it's unreasonable to expect. I mean, whatever the style 206 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 4: of receiver, we've seen a lot of guys over the 207 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 4: last five seven years, not necessarily be those blue chip 208 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 4: guys in the first round really develop into weapons in 209 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 4: the NFL. I mean, I have to do a little 210 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 4: more research to see how many of those guys are 211 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 4: strictly outside guys as opposed to slot guys. But you 212 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 4: know the names everybody knows, you know, Pooka and the 213 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 4: cop as a fifth round pick last year, you know, 214 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 4: comes in and he looks like a seasoned veteran from 215 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 4: you know, week one did a lot of that, by 216 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 4: the way, without Cooper Cup early in the year when 217 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,599 Speaker 4: when Cup was injured, so he didn't even have the 218 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 4: luxury of you know, kJ Osborne. There's probably a thought 219 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 4: in your mind that all he's playing with Justin Jefferson 220 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 4: and even a little like last year with Jordan Addison 221 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 4: who had a really good rookie year, how good is 222 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 4: he or is he just benefiting from open space kind 223 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 4: of you know makeshift Juju Smith Schuster thing with with 224 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 4: Kansas City from the year before. I think he's probably 225 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 4: a little bit better than that, not just a product 226 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 4: of the guys he was around, but that you know, 227 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 4: that's something you have to keep in mind when you 228 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 4: watch some of these guys in college too. But I 229 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 4: think you can develop. Why can't you develop a guy? 230 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 4: I absolutely think you can. 231 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think when you said that about kJ Osborne, 232 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 5: there's a touchdown of his last year where they just 233 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 5: ran it was called scissors, just two crossing routes like 234 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 5: this and three guys go to Justin Jefferson and he's 235 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 5: just all alone in the corner of the end zone 236 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 5: by himself, and I was like, all right, well, we 237 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 5: got the guy that can catch it when he's all 238 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 5: alone in the end zone. But who's the guy that's 239 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 5: taking three guys with him in the coverage? 240 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 4: Right? 241 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 5: And that's what we're all talking about. That's what Matist 242 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 5: was talking about. And I think some of these guys 243 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 5: in the draft. The good thing is is that some 244 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 5: of these Day two guys, especially early Day two guys, 245 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 5: probably would be first round picks in different drafts. This 246 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 5: draft is so loaded at the receiver position that if 247 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 5: you were to put some of these players in last 248 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 5: year's draft class, then a lot of those guys would 249 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 5: be in the conversation with the Zay Flowers of Quinton 250 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 5: Johnson to Jackson Smith and Jigba. They're all in that 251 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 5: same tier. So thirty four is a nice pick to 252 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 5: have because if some of those guys slipped through the 253 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 5: cracks that you might have a really really high grade on, 254 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 5: but they don't end up going in the first round, 255 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 5: you're going to have that opportunity at the top of 256 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 5: the second round or even to trade in late first 257 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 5: round to grab one of those guys. I'll mention one 258 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 5: more name who I don't know if he's necessarily going 259 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 5: to be a prototypical ex but xavierly Get from South 260 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 5: Carolina is rising extremely quick and had a great combine 261 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 5: two hundred and twenty one pounds, ran a sub four 262 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 5: four two twenty one six foot two two twenty one. 263 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 5: He can really move. I think he's like across prospect wise, 264 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 5: between AJ Brown and Debo, he's like right in the middle. 265 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 5: He's more natural receiver than Debo, but he's not quite 266 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 5: as big and stocky as AJ Brown, So he's like 267 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 5: right in the middle of those two guys. And he 268 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 5: had a great season last year at South Carolina. So 269 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 5: those types of guys like a like a Leget that 270 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 5: are explosive, good with the ball in their hands, you know, 271 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 5: chess pieces that you can move around the formation. I 272 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 5: could see those types of guys developing into what we're 273 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 5: all looking for at the next level. Maybe not as 274 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 5: we get into the tes Walkers, the Brendan Rice is 275 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 5: that tier. Those guys are probably just this is my 276 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 5: role and I'm gonna play it type of guys. But 277 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 5: there are some guys at the top of the second 278 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 5: round that are intriguing that that could fit in terms 279 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 5: of drawing coverage and being that that big time coverage dictator. 280 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 2: You got, anybody tech, what do you want? You want 281 00:11:58,480 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 2: that X receiver. 282 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 6: I know I'm a big Xavier Worthy guy. I know 283 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 6: he's not Zachty straight X, but you know he's a burner. 284 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 6: I know Evan doesn't like the burners, but he's proved it. 285 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 7: I love the burners. I don't like that. 286 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 5: I'm normally not a guy that likes the Keon Coleman 287 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 5: types like I need separation at the top of the 288 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 5: route and if you want that, Xavier Worthy's guy all that. 289 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 5: I think one thing about Xavier Worthy that we have 290 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 5: to remember this is not just a really good combine tester. 291 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 5: This is a guy that has great film at Texas 292 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 5: on top of the fact that he broke the combine record. 293 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 5: I think a lot of people come swooping in towards 294 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 5: this time of year and are like, well, what makes 295 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 5: this guy different from Taekwon? What makes this guy different 296 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 5: from John Ross or some of these other guys that 297 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 5: ran really fast. His film at Texas shows legit route 298 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 5: running on top of the fact that he runs a 299 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 5: four to two to one. 300 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 6: I love both the Texas kids. 301 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: So that's all there, you go. 302 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 3: We could talk about receivers all day long, but this 303 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 3: is going to be a show about offensive line. So 304 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 3: we four of us sat down and. 305 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 5: Oh right, yeah, I totally forgot about that. 306 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 2: So check out. Here are our discussion on the offensive line. 307 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: All right, we're here in the studio. 308 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 3: We're gonna be talking offensive lines, and guys, this is 309 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 3: a big position, a need. First though, I gotta welcome 310 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 3: in Chris Cassidy making his debut here on Patriots Draft Countdown. 311 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 2: Chris, we do good. You kind of you play a 312 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 2: little offensive line? Yeah, a little bit. 313 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 8: I dabbled, dabbled in high school, not so much in college, 314 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 8: so eligibility left well four years. But I don't think 315 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 8: I'm gonna be taking that. 316 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 3: Okay, So guys, we do as we get through free agency. 317 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 3: At least the initial part this is this is a 318 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 3: big need on this team and they didn't really address 319 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 3: it with it with a notable piece at least when 320 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 3: we're recording this right now. So sizeable need maybe not 321 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 3: something they could take. But Evan, I'm gonna start with 322 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 3: you because you have, like you said, there are about 323 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 3: nine guys I have a kind of go in the 324 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,599 Speaker 3: first round. I think you're gonna just rattle some of 325 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 3: them off. 326 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 7: So is that what we want me to do? 327 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 5: Because it's it's the easiest way to do this right now, 328 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 5: we can just talk about the ones that we like. 329 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 5: Obviously at the top you have Oli, Shanu and or 330 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 5: fash Now. I'm gonna get it right, Olu fash Now 331 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 5: and Joe Alt the time we go, j C. Latham, 332 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 5: Marius Smith is from Georgia, Talise Fugawa from Oregon State, 333 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 5: Tyler Geiton, Jordan Morgan, Troy fott Now, Kingsley, Sue, and 334 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 5: I tie Patrick Paul. I would say that ten right 335 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 5: there or nine, whatever that is, is the start of 336 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 5: the first I would say top fifty picks in the draft. 337 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 5: You're talking about at least nine guys in the top fifty, 338 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 5: maybe six in the first round. It's gonna be a 339 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 5: top heavy class, but it's there's a ton of talent 340 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 5: at the top. 341 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 3: So we know, like you said, a ton of talent 342 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 3: at the top. Maybe not what the Patriots are gonna hit. 343 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 3: Maybe we've talked about trading back up into the second 344 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 3: round to maybe or low first round, maybe early second 345 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 3: round is where the Patriots already are, but they probably 346 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 3: not gonna have a chance of those top guys. Maybe 347 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 3: some of the lesser ones though, guys, So let's just 348 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 3: kind of go around. We've all been doing our studying. 349 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 3: We found some guys we like, maybe that like you know, 350 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 3: day two, kind of in that range, Paul, what caught. 351 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: Your eye here on your extensive that. 352 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 4: Showed up to the midterm and hasn't been at the 353 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 4: class all year? You know me in the offensive line, 354 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 4: I don't go as in depth as most and certainly 355 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 4: not anywhere near as in depth as Evan does. I 356 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 4: do love those two guys at the top, and if 357 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 4: for whatever, I just want to throw the caveat out 358 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 4: the ear for whatever, for a reason, they don't love 359 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 4: one of the quarterbacks. You know, these two guys, Alton 360 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 4: fashion Now, fashion Now, those two guys are outstanding prospects. 361 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 4: So that would be the only way you could get 362 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 4: them is if you decided to trade down and maybe 363 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 4: you end up at eight or nine and one of 364 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 4: those guys falls in your lap. I do like the 365 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 4: Alabama guy. I kind of feel like that's a pretty 366 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 4: strong tradition of offensive lineman. They're not without you know, 367 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 4: Alex Leatherwooding. You know, there's there's some misses and whatnot. 368 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 4: But I do like JC Latham, and I felt like 369 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 4: the kid from Georgia Mims is so ridiculously athletic, but 370 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 4: doesn't have a lot of playing experience, So that kind 371 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 4: of worries me a little bit, and I wonder if 372 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 4: that causes him to drop a little bit. A lot 373 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 4: of people feel like he's one of those that Evan 374 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 4: just mentioned, and maybe because very little real starting experience 375 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 4: experience in college. That's a lot like he doesn't have 376 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 4: anywhere near the amount of snaps that most of these 377 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 4: other guys come out of college with. Maybe that helps you. 378 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 4: Maybe he drops down in the the second round and 379 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 4: you can grab him. Doubtful, but I like the athleticism. 380 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 7: That's probably all I got. No, that's not bad. 381 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 5: I honestly Mims start with him just because you did 382 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 5: seven career starts. He only has eight hundred snaps in 383 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 5: college under his belt. Some of these guys were going 384 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 5: to talk about over the next couple of weeks have 385 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 5: fifty career starts in college. So he's someone that is very, 386 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 5: very raw doesn't have a ton of tape that I 387 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 5: definitely think is a profile that typically does project to 388 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 5: the early second round when you start to talk about 389 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 5: guys that just have these little red flags here and there, 390 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 5: nothing major off the field or anything like that, but 391 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 5: hasn't been healthy, didn't really win the starting job early 392 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 5: on in his career. 393 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 7: That's Mims. 394 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 5: His opportunity to start as the full time starter was 395 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 5: last year and he injured his ankle and had to 396 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 5: have tight road surgery came back at the end of 397 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 5: the year. So he has someone that has all oozing 398 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 5: with physical talent. If we're talking about a player that 399 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 5: made fifty career starts in college, he's probably a top 400 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 5: ten pick off of raw tools and the film that 401 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 5: it was available, but it's just a very small sample sized. 402 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 9: Yeah. 403 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, obviously, alt is in my mind, one of the 404 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 5: most can't miss prospects in this draft, if not the 405 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 5: most can't miss prospect in this draft, because of his 406 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 5: athleticism and because of his experience and really just a 407 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 5: very seasoned tackle prospect, someone that just looks like he's 408 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 5: going to walk off the bus on an NFL field 409 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 5: and be a starter right away. He's extremely athletic, great feet, 410 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 5: great posture in his stance, great balance, really recognizes things 411 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 5: happening in front of him post snap movement, things like that. 412 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 5: He's awesome to watch. I mean, he's one of those 413 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 5: guys that I get all excited about just watching him 414 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 5: on film. Fasher now is a little bit more raw, 415 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 5: I would say, but his physical tools are immense, but 416 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 5: he doesn't necessarily have the technique down as smoothly as 417 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 5: alt does, So he could be someone that would be 418 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 5: available in some of those trade down scenarios that Paul 419 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 5: is talking about. I think alts Floor is probably the 420 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 5: fifth or sixth pick in the draft, depending on who 421 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 5: makes those picks and where based off of trades. 422 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 4: Before we get Chris going, because I'm curious to hear 423 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 4: you know some of your different guys, some of the 424 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 4: different names. One thing that really stuck stood out to 425 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 4: me when watching like these top I watched the top 426 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 4: eight or ten of them really solid, Almost every one 427 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 4: of them. Pass protection is really really strong. Some of 428 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 4: them are not to me as as good in the 429 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 4: run game. And some of these guys, I think, you know, 430 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 4: Evan likes to talk about the zone schemes that maybe 431 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 4: they want to be a little bit more athletic and 432 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 4: a little bit mobile. Some of these guys have that 433 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 4: and they're run blocking techniques, a little bit more mobile, 434 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 4: but really impressive. I think you look at all these 435 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 4: top guys that there's almost like no sacks allowed for 436 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 4: any of them. 437 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't want to get too carried away because 438 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 3: probably Patriots, unless they trade down, probably not going to 439 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 3: get these top ranked guys. But Chris, we talked a 440 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 3: little bit about some lower round guys or even you know, midday. 441 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 3: What do you who stood out to you? 442 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, No, I looked at about like seven or so guys, 443 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 8: like say the Patriots go the quarterback ground one or 444 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 8: wide a round one, you know, guys I could follow 445 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 8: a second, third, fourth round. Even just did a little 446 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 8: bit of research. Again, seven guys, I mean I looked 447 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 8: at the zag centers of the world, Christian mahoganies. But 448 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 8: there are three guys that really stood out to me. 449 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 8: I mean those are more interior alignment. You don't really 450 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 8: need that necessarily this season. You have to see what 451 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 8: Cole Strange can do coming up, but hopefully that'll be 452 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 8: something solid. But yeah, three guys. One of them Evan 453 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 8: already mentioned was Kingsley assumataie. I mean he's a big fella. 454 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,719 Speaker 8: He's six four, three hundred twenty six pounds. You know, 455 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 8: he's got great speed, right a five four forty five 456 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 8: four forty yard dash at the combine. 457 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 2: You know you should have seen Evan staring at him 458 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: at the combine. 459 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 5: He was just like, okay, So, so I'm glad you 460 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 5: brought up Kingsley because that's my guy at thirty four. 461 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 5: So athleticism off the charts. Why cousin Penny Sewell, So 462 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 5: he has it in his blood right and offensive line 463 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 5: is one of those positions. And I know we do 464 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 5: this in a lot of other instances, like Marvin Harrison 465 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 5: Junior with his dad and Patrick sart Tan years ago 466 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 5: with his dad. But offensive line is a unique position. 467 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 5: And when you have it in your blood like that 468 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 5: is I love that. I love when you yeah, when 469 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,719 Speaker 5: you just have that lineage of I've just grew up 470 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 5: with this. You know, I grew up doing past sets 471 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 5: in my backyard. That's what I want to hear from 472 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 5: my offensive lineman. And that's what Kingsley was talking about 473 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 5: doing with his cousin, with Penny Sewell and They are 474 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 5: very similar body types and very similar athleticism. Maybe not 475 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 5: quite as as polished as Penny was coming out of college, 476 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 5: which is why he's gonna go a little bit later 477 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 5: than Penny Sewell did. But in terms of body type athleticism, 478 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 5: he's actually more athletic than Penny sewel is from the 479 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 5: combine testing, so's he's got a loays to go with 480 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 5: his technique a little bit, but in terms of just 481 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 5: raw tools, he's a really good bet. 482 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 7: Yeah. 483 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 8: And one of the stats really stuck out to me 484 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 8: was in twenty twenty two, three hundred and sixty one 485 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 8: snaps to not give up one sack. So that's a 486 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 8: huge number. I mean, Patriots were one of the highest 487 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 8: pressure teams in the league last season, and I mean 488 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 8: went through two quarterbacks and you saw both of them 489 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 8: go down multiple times, and I mean having a protection 490 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 8: like that is huge. One other person, I'm gonna try 491 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 8: my best to pronounce the dame, but Kieran ahmud Imad, 492 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 8: I thought I got it earlier. Dodgy, Yeah, yeah, he's 493 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 8: from Yale. I didn't mention m. Kingsley's from BYU, but 494 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 8: from Yale. You know, Kieran another big fella six three 495 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 8: twenty six as well, only one secle out in twenty 496 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,959 Speaker 8: four games. Again, good speed on that outside. You can 497 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 8: put them really left or right tackle, whatever you want 498 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 8: to choose. That's, of course you want to expect on 499 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 8: one new to step down to an interior ligneman type role. 500 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 8: That's More's bill, That's what he fits. But I want 501 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 8: to know what you guys think about him. 502 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 5: Possibly, yeah, yeah, you know, I think that the biggest 503 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 5: thing when you look at him is obviously the jump 504 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 5: up in competition, especially at the offensive line. You want 505 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 5: to see a guy that dominates at that level of 506 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 5: competition if you're gonna draft him early, which you probably 507 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 5: are in maybe the third round, you know, top one hundred. 508 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 5: Certainly I saw some dominant streaks, but it wasn't as 509 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 5: dominant as maybe some of the other lower level guys 510 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 5: I've seen in years past. 511 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 7: But he's definitely got the tools. 512 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 5: I think one thing that works against him sometimes those 513 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 5: guys that are really really tall, it kind of works 514 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,719 Speaker 5: against him in the leverage and pad level situation. So 515 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 5: he's got to get some more flexibility and be able 516 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 5: to get down. But in terms of raw tools, definitely 517 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 5: fits the mold and you hope it just translates to 518 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 5: the next level. I wish I'd seen him at the 519 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 5: Senior Bowl, but he either wasn't there or had an 520 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 5: injury or something like that. But it's it's tough sometimes 521 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 5: to project those guys to the next level. But every 522 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 5: once in a while, you see a guy that just 523 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,719 Speaker 5: looks like a man amongst boys at you know, a 524 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 5: lower level IVY League D two whatever it is, and he, 525 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 5: I would say, fits that Bill. 526 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, two more, Chris, you got who too? I got 527 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 2: one more? 528 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 9: One more? 529 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 8: I one more? 530 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 7: Well, I guess I got two more. 531 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 8: But this one, uh one of my favorite, one of 532 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 8: the more I guess interesting people that I studied. Javon 533 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 8: Foster out in the zoo. Uh again, another big fella. 534 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 8: And there's two offensive tackles that are in the upcoming 535 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 8: draft that ranked uh PFF over eighty in both categories 536 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 8: pass blocking and run blocking. And it was Joe Walt 537 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 8: and Javon Foster. And those are two huge statistical focuses there. 538 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 8: And you know, somebody with that type of stature and 539 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 8: that type of excuse me ability could go a long 540 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 8: way with this offensive line. 541 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,719 Speaker 5: Yes, he was a Senior Bowl guy. Definitely a riser 542 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 5: on Senior Bowl week and just a maler. 543 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 6: Yeah. 544 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 5: I think, you know, a little bit smaller than I 545 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 5: was expecting terms of weight. He's like six five three twenty, 546 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 5: but it reminded me a lot of like a Marcus 547 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 5: Cannon type of Patriots right tackle. Bit more stocky guard build, 548 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 5: but definitely has the play strength. And you could see 549 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 5: him just getting on double teams with the kid from Yukon, 550 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 5: who I'm blanging on his name right now, the guard 551 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 5: and those two guys just were moving the line of 552 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 5: scrimmage together, yeah, Haynes. Yeah, And they were really good 553 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 5: down there in Mobile. And I look at him, I 554 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 5: look at a guy like Christian Jones from Texas to 555 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 5: as maybe guys that could slip into the fourth round 556 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 5: there for the Patriots at the top of Day three 557 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 5: when they're on the clock, as you know, good prospects 558 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 5: at that spot. 559 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw out four Deuce's mid round guys, mostly 560 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 3: from the combine, but Tyland Grabil was the number one 561 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 3: athletic score from UCF. Really athletic tackle is you know, 562 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,239 Speaker 3: developmental guys. Julian Pearl another one thirty five and an 563 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 3: eighth inch Arms liked him a little bit from Illinois, 564 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 3: good link. Walter Rouse from Oklahoma, another guy big, got 565 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 3: the size, you know, just needs to develop a little bit. 566 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 3: And finally Kid Wallace from Penn State, another highly athletic 567 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 3: guy that developmental, you know. And I think that's I 568 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 3: don't know, I don't know where they're going to land 569 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 3: in that like early second round, you know, late first 570 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 3: maybe if they get somebody in there, but it just 571 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 3: feels like a double dip kind of position. And one 572 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,719 Speaker 3: of these guys who has a lot of athleticism that 573 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 3: you could probably at least develop for the future, so 574 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 3: you're not getting back into this problem where you have 575 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 3: no tackles. 576 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I would say the only other ones that 577 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 5: we haven't mentioned just quickly. Patrick Paul from Houston is 578 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 5: a good second round target for the Patriots. Made forty 579 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 5: forty five career starts at left tackle at Houston, so 580 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 5: his experience, I'm not sure if he's necessarily going to 581 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 5: get significantly better. He's kind of tapped out physically, but 582 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 5: definitely someone that could step in and maybe play year 583 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 5: one just because of how much college experience he had. 584 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 5: And then you're really talking about guys that if they 585 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 5: did decide to trade back into the back end of 586 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 5: the first round. You know Tyler Geitton for example, you know, 587 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 5: is he someone that you would want to go up 588 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 5: and get Those types of players are there. You know 589 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 5: Troy fought Now from Washington, he passed the thresholds for 590 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 5: tackles in terms of arm light. That was a question 591 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 5: mark with him coming into the combine. Maybe a guy 592 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 5: that would be you know, twenty five twenty to twenty 593 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 5: five range that you could sneak back up in the 594 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 5: first round and grab two. So it really is one 595 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,959 Speaker 5: of those positions that early on, if they want that 596 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 5: day one impact starter, they got to jump on the parade. 597 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 5: We talk about this all the time because they're just 598 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 5: gonna go. So once they're off the board and you 599 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 5: start getting into some of these other guys that Duce 600 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 5: mentioned or the Yale Kid or whatever, you're starting to 601 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 5: get into more developmental guys that are probably not gonna 602 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:22,719 Speaker 5: be rookie starters. 603 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 4: I just wanted to throw and I don't remember if 604 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 4: Evan had this in your list at the beginning. 605 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 2: The Duke Kid Barton. 606 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 4: More so, because I thought he was really and I'm 607 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 4: still sticking into the old patriotsing the versatility played some 608 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 4: center played, some left tackle. Not a lot of guys 609 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 4: play like interior and then tackle. So you know, you 610 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 4: think Mike gol when you you know a guy with 611 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 4: some versatility inside out. Yeah, not one of the top 612 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 4: rated guys, but maybe a guy on day two. 613 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 3: I put Dominic Puny in there too. Another guy play 614 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 3: a bunch of different spots. 615 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 4: Graham Barton is the kid. 616 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 5: Yes, so Graham Barton projects as a guard at the 617 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 5: next level. But somebody that could back up attack almost 618 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 5: like a different player than on Wenny. But just say 619 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 5: idea that he could back up drawing stuff that you like, Yeah, 620 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 5: could you know pin and poll? You know that kind 621 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 5: of stuff that runs a pin poll? You want pin poll, 622 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 5: you want zone And I'm telling you Kingsley sum I 623 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 5: Tie is the guy. That guy you watch him on tape. 624 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 5: You watch him get into space, get out of his stance, 625 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 5: first step, all that stuff checks. 626 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 4: All So adding that into my word dictionary, this quickness 627 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 4: is just so which part yeah, Kingsley, Oh yeah, the 628 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 4: whole thing. 629 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 2: Well, there we go, guys. 630 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 3: We did the first positional preview here offensive line. A 631 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 3: lot of names huge need for the Patriots. 632 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 2: Now. 633 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 3: Evan also had a chance to talk to Brandon Thorn, 634 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 3: who gives his expert opinion on a bunch of these 635 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 3: guys as well. 636 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 2: So trying to cover all the bases here. 637 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 3: Check out what Evan end and Brandon had to say. 638 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 5: All right, everybody, I'm very excited to join, but be 639 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,719 Speaker 5: joined by there we go, all right, Ben a long day, 640 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 5: be joined by Brandon Thorn, he writes for a Trench Warfare. 641 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 5: Give him a subscription on there, and also Bleacher Report 642 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 5: and Brandon, I use your Bleacher Report scouting reports all 643 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 5: the time on the offensive line. I always love looking 644 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,199 Speaker 5: at your insight and your rankings and everything like that. 645 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 5: So that's a great resource. All you got to do 646 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 5: is google Joe all to bleacher Report, Joel Brandon Thorn, 647 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 5: and his full scouting report will pop right up on 648 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 5: your screen for you to read about these guys. And 649 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 5: you know way more about all these technical terms and 650 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 5: things like that than I do, so it's a lot 651 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 5: of fun to read though. So thanks so much for 652 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 5: doing this and happy to have you here. 653 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 9: Yeah, man, I'm always happy to talk with you and yeah, 654 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 9: excited to be here. So thanks for inviting me. 655 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 5: No problem, no problem. I talked to you at the 656 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 5: combine briefly, and I probably kept you for a little 657 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 5: bit too long just asking you questions about every single 658 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 5: Patriots offensive lineman and where they fit on the roster. 659 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 5: So I did want to start really quickly off the top. 660 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 5: They obviously resigned Mike on Wenu, big move for them 661 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 5: this offseason in free agency. Where do you see him 662 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 5: fitting into this equation in the Alex Van Pelt offense. 663 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 5: There's a lot of conversations about if he fits at 664 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 5: tackle in a more zone based scheme. 665 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I just think even kind of regardless 666 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 9: of scheme. I know there's probably some nuances there, you know, 667 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 9: to where he's a little bit better fit at this 668 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 9: position in that scheme, But just generally, I think at 669 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 9: right guard is the spot that you want to put 670 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 9: him in pretty much all schemes and you'll probably get, 671 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 9: at the end of the day, the best version of him. Uh. 672 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 9: You know, we talked about this as the combine, and 673 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 9: I think his contract kind of alludes to more of 674 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 9: a guard as well, based on you know, kind of 675 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 9: what I know at least I'm not a contract expert, 676 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 9: but just the fact that he can do both though, 677 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 9: is you know, extremely valuable and it just adds flexibility 678 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 9: to how you build stuff out. And then if stuff 679 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 9: goes wrong with injuries or whatever, you know, you have 680 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 9: a guy like that, it's just adds to his value. 681 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 9: But I think when you watch his film over the 682 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 9: last several years, uh, you know, it's with a highlight 683 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 9: on last year in particular, he's clearly better at garden 684 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 9: than tackle and that stems from pass protection, you know, 685 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 9: where I guess in a Van Pelt scheme, maybe that 686 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 9: could be mitigated to a degree with you know, whether 687 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 9: it's RPOs or play action, you know, being a run 688 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:20,719 Speaker 9: first offense, things like that. But on an island, you know, 689 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 9: the range or lack thereof to protect the corner against 690 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 9: you know, high side rushes from wide alignments from good 691 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 9: or better players. I mean, it's just shaky. So you 692 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 9: can kind of mitigate that a little bit inside and 693 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 9: get the best of him and allow his play strength 694 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 9: and his size and his power you know, to really shine. 695 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 9: And I just think it's interesting because CD so you know, 696 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 9: was there and I thought him and so in the 697 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 9: run game with on one would tackle. You know, that 698 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 9: was awesome but passpro with both of them, you know, 699 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 9: with Shaky understandably. So it's so being a rookie, you know, 700 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 9: day three pick, but now that you've got a CORPS 701 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 9: four in there, it tells me, you know, maybe they 702 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 9: are thinking more guards. So I don't know, it's it's 703 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 9: still kind of up in the air and there's variables there, 704 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 9: but you know, I like the depth on the interior. 705 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 9: I think overall though too. 706 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, I would get into a Corps for but we 707 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 5: really do want to focus on the draft specifically on 708 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,479 Speaker 5: this show. So I'll get into some of the draft 709 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 5: guys and I just start at the top. I obviously 710 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 5: love Joe Alt. I think we all can see the 711 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 5: talent there. It's not maybe the most popular pick among 712 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 5: Patriots fans to take a tackle early on in the 713 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 5: draft over a quarterback or Marvin Harrison Junior or something 714 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 5: like that. But what makes Joe Walt such a great 715 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 5: prospect in your mind? 716 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 9: Yeah, just to you know, piggyback on that, I think 717 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,239 Speaker 9: ideally you trade down in draft jolt, but yeah, if 718 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 9: you do pick him at three, I mean I still think, Yeah, 719 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 9: the part that makes him, you know, so appealing is 720 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 9: I think you look at the fact that he is 721 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 9: so young. You know, he's like a month or two 722 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 9: younger than even Olu, you know, for Seanna from in State, 723 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 9: who is considered a very young player. So I think 724 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 9: they just they both turned just twenty one, are about 725 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 9: to turn twenty one, so they're gonna be twenty one 726 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 9: for the duration of the rookie year. And the fact 727 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 9: that he is so young and so polished with his technique, 728 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 9: specifically as a run blocker. That's the thing when you 729 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 9: watch this film that really jumped out to me. For 730 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 9: a guy being almost six ' nine, you know, a 731 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 9: legit six ' eight, you know, three twenty plus, the 732 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 9: leverage that he plays with in the run game is 733 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 9: just tremendous. Like he's a Notre Dame offensive lineman personified. 734 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 9: It's just he's six ' eight, long arms, and really athletic, 735 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 9: and you know, I just so I love that he 736 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 9: has that part of his game that is really gonna, 737 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 9: I think, create a high floor for him as a player. 738 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 9: And then the pass pro the traits are certainly there. 739 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 9: I mean, he's good too. He's productive as a pass 740 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 9: protector in terms of blocking guys with good technique, and 741 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 9: you know, having the athletic ability to certainly do it. 742 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 9: Not the most powerful guy you know that is in 743 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 9: the draft or you know, or anything like that. He 744 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 9: plays a lot like Jake Matthews, but he's in like 745 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 9: Nate Soldier's body. That's kind of like what I've seen 746 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 9: from him, you know, since I wrote his report, you know, 747 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,719 Speaker 9: in December or whatever it was, So yeah, I think 748 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 9: he kind of confirmed. They tests very similarly to Nate 749 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 9: Solder coming out of Colorado. It's just I think he's 750 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,959 Speaker 9: a higher quality prospect than he was, and you know, 751 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 9: I just, yeah, it's tough to poke holes in his game. 752 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 9: Aside from saying that he's not the most powerful guy. 753 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, you mentioned Nate Solder. Obviously everybody here is familiar 754 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 5: with Nate Soldier's game. And the one thing I remember 755 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 5: talking to to Scarnekia and some of the coaches about 756 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 5: with Nate Solder is that he was honestly almost too tall, 757 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 5: where you know, his lower half was in flexible enough 758 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,959 Speaker 5: and sometimes leverage and stuff like that was an issue. 759 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 5: But you just kind of perfectly said about how that's 760 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 5: not really a concern with joll because of how flexible 761 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 5: he is in his lowers to be able to get 762 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 5: down and create leverage. 763 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 9: Yeah, that's that's the part that impressed me more than 764 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 9: anything watching him on film. I mean, I was pretty 765 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 9: floored by his run blocking on film because when you 766 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 9: see him in his stance on film, you could tell 767 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 9: he's huge. Just he's just an enormous dude. So typically 768 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 9: those guys, when they get out of their stance, especially 769 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 9: post contact in the second, third, fourth phase of the 770 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,720 Speaker 9: rum block, the pads just rise and they gradually lose leverage. 771 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 9: They get to spots quick but then in terms of 772 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 9: sustaining and finishing, it gets real dicey really quickly. But 773 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 9: for him, his ability to keep his pads down, you know, 774 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 9: bend at the ankle's knees and hips, sustain move his feet. 775 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 9: He has a good feel you know for body positioning 776 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 9: on blocks, and he plays a great effort. He's a 777 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 9: great finisher. So his ability to sustain and finish rum 778 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 9: blocks at a guy his size is really I think 779 00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 9: the most rare part of his evaluation, like what he offers, 780 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 9: you know, and so yeah, it's it's it's quite a 781 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,879 Speaker 9: bit different than they soldier, uh, you know, in how 782 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 9: it manifests on the field, you know their skill. 783 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 5: Set, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Before we move on to the 784 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 5: Day two guys, just quickly. It probably won't be the 785 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 5: Patriots that take Olu Fashanu, but maybe in a trade 786 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 5: down scenario or something like that, it ends up being 787 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 5: more of a conversation. Let's say they trade with, you know, 788 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 5: someone like at eleven the Minnesota Vikings for example, or 789 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 5: something maybe more of Ashani's range. What do you see 790 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 5: with him that is he as pro ready to you 791 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,919 Speaker 5: as Alt is? And you do you think that both 792 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 5: those guys are plug and play Day one franchise left tackles. 793 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 9: I do think that Olu is a plug and play starter. 794 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 9: You know, I gave him a grade that suggests he's 795 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 9: a you know, a really good starter right away now, 796 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 9: you know, in terms of being as pro ready or 797 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 9: polished as Joe Walt, I don't. I don't think that's 798 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 9: the case. And so you with Olu, like I think 799 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 9: the thing that his kind of trump card, you know, 800 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,240 Speaker 9: if you will, as a prospect is his pass protection 801 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 9: ability and just how natural his movements are in past protection, 802 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 9: getting out of his stance, mirroring guys, recovering, anchoring, utilizing 803 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 9: his length, in a really nice way with independent hands. 804 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 9: And you saw that two years ago when he stepped 805 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 9: onto the field for the first time in college and 806 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 9: just how natural he was, and that pretty much carried 807 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 9: through for all twenty one or whatever starts that he 808 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 9: had aside from the Ohio State game this year. You 809 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 9: really can't poke many holes in his game as a 810 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,720 Speaker 9: pass protector aside from that one tape, because I pretty 811 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 9: much watched him all and I think that's the case now. 812 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 9: Run blocking is a different story. He's much more raw 813 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 9: there than Joe Walt, although you did see progress this 814 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,800 Speaker 9: year after that Ohio State game in particular, the rest 815 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 9: of the season were his best tapes as a run blocker. 816 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 9: He really kind of flipped to switch after that game. 817 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 9: And I remember talking to him about it a little 818 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 9: bit as well during the time, because I had a 819 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 9: question about a clip against Ohio State that he you know, 820 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 9: answered for me, and he basically said, like, you know, yeah, 821 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 9: I know that was my worst game, and you know, 822 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 9: he was highly motivated to correct that and he did so. 823 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 9: Just the fact that he and what I mean by 824 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 9: that is a run blocker, like his ability or struggles 825 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 9: to sustain and finish blocks, letting guys get off of 826 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,839 Speaker 9: him a little early, across his face and just kind 827 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 9: of fall off stuff a little prematurely. That was kind 828 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 9: of prevalent throughout his career, I thought, and you just 829 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 9: always wanted a little bit more physicality and just control 830 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 9: from him. But then, like I said, after that game, 831 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 9: he showed it. So that was really encouraging to me 832 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 9: that that's just the fact that you could see it now. 833 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 9: It doesn't need to be more consistent and things like that. 834 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 9: But yeah, it's kind of an inverse thing. Like Joe Walt, 835 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,800 Speaker 9: you're getting a really really polished, high end run blocker 836 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 9: and a good pass protector, and then Olu, I think 837 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 9: you're getting a really really polished past protector and maybe 838 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 9: like a below average to average rum blocker. But again 839 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 9: they're so young and all that. I would expect those 840 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 9: things to improve, yeah, at least a little bit. 841 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, two really good prospects there. I'm gonna 842 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 5: skip over a group that I feel like is in 843 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 5: a weird spot for the Patriots, you know, the Talisa Fugawa's, 844 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 5: the J. C. Lathams, like those guys probably gonna go 845 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 5: somewhere in between the Patriots two picks. So let's go 846 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 5: to the top of day two at thirty four, which 847 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,359 Speaker 5: is they take a quarterback at three. Then thirty four 848 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 5: is probably the pick that's going to be earmarked for 849 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 5: a tackle. One would think, who are some of the 850 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 5: guys that a you could see falling to that spot, 851 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 5: but be more importantly that you like on film. 852 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 9: Yeah, so yeah, so Latham would be my tackle three. 853 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,359 Speaker 9: My tackle four is Varus Mims, you know. So I'd 854 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,839 Speaker 9: assume those guys are gone, and then you know five 855 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 9: and six Tyler, Geydon and Kingsley Swim Mattia from BYU 856 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 9: Guians probably gone. Sue and Matia there, I would say 857 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 9: it probably starts at Sue and Matia as a guy 858 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 9: who could potentially be there, uh at your pick at 859 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,399 Speaker 9: thirty four. So he's a guy I do like, I mean, 860 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 9: I gave him, you know, a let me just get 861 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 9: the potential impact starter. So like a low end second 862 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,360 Speaker 9: round pick, I'm sure you know that's gonna get a bump, 863 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,919 Speaker 9: as tackles do. He's gonna probably be a late first 864 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,839 Speaker 9: round pick. But there is just more of this sort 865 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,240 Speaker 9: of rawness that we've spoke about. But it's it's pretty 866 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 9: much in all areas of his game, I think, as 867 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,319 Speaker 9: opposed to just one, uh there, there's a lot to 868 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,760 Speaker 9: work with there in terms of physical traits, height, weight, length, 869 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,800 Speaker 9: frame build, athletic ability, the way he moves, it's natural 870 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 9: for him. You could tell he's a former five star recruit. 871 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 9: You know, he's cousins with Pine Sewel and trains with him, 872 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 9: and you know, chances are he's going to develop at 873 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 9: least into a solid starter. If not, you know, he 874 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,359 Speaker 9: could potentially be really good. Who knows. But he came 875 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 9: out as a retro sophomore, you know, so he's just 876 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,280 Speaker 9: young and raw, but it'll be really interesting to see. 877 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 9: So he's one guy that I would say would be 878 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,879 Speaker 9: available and actually kind of add value, have value at 879 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 9: that pick. After that, I mean, I have a lot 880 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 9: of tackles that are kind of projected inside but could 881 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 9: play inside that could be available there. The first one 882 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 9: that comes to mind is probably Jordan Morgan from Arizona, 883 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 9: who's you know, he's a big, strong guy. Came back 884 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,959 Speaker 9: from a torn acl really quickly this past year, less 885 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,840 Speaker 9: than a year, I think like nine months, and he 886 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 9: started the whole year, which was impressive. But he has 887 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,399 Speaker 9: kind of a reoccurring issue in pass protection. That leads 888 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 9: to me to believe that it'd probably be best that 889 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 9: he kicks inside, although I'm sure and I've heard teams 890 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 9: are gonna view him as a tackle. But yeah, you know, 891 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 9: those two guys if I had to bet top of 892 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 9: the second round to play tackle, Jordan Morgan and Kings 893 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 9: of Suwamatia would probably be my best bets there. 894 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 7: What do you think about Patrick Paul from Houston? 895 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 5: Because I feel like he's always projected a little bit 896 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 5: after those two guys that you mentioned, but a little 897 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 5: bit before the next wave of guys. 898 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,879 Speaker 7: Is sort of that tweeener on day two. 899 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,240 Speaker 9: Yeah, so I have more of a third round grade 900 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,880 Speaker 9: on Patrick Paul, but certainly, like you know, traits wise, 901 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 9: you got to start there. You know, he's you know, 902 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 9: six seven, six ' eight. I think he's six seven, 903 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 9: like three thirty three twenty three thirty you know, elite length, 904 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 9: you know, thirty six plus in charms and he's really 905 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 9: strong actually when he actually gets his hands inside. But 906 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 9: that's the problem. He struggles to kind of get his 907 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,399 Speaker 9: hands inside of guys. He's very wide and kind of 908 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 9: a little uh you know, I don't want to say lazy, 909 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:52,239 Speaker 9: but just inconsistent with his hand placement I think is 910 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 9: probably the best term. And that just creates a lot 911 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 9: of leverage issues, Guys getting inside of him, you know, 912 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 9: driving him back. You saw it at Senior Bowl one 913 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 9: on ones, where you see it on tape all over 914 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 9: the place. I mean, it's just it's up and down. 915 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,879 Speaker 9: But you love the size, you love the strength. And 916 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 9: the thing that I probably like most about him that's 917 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,879 Speaker 9: kind of most surprising with the guy with his all 918 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 9: that stuff I just said, is his competitive toughness is very, 919 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 9: very good. He's physical tone setter, and you don't get 920 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 9: that a lot at tackle, you know, I don't think 921 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 9: especially left. So you know, I think he's a better 922 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 9: prospect than his brother was coming out of Tulsa a 923 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 9: couple of years ago, Chris Paul. And you know, he's 924 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 9: working with Duke Mannyweather at Oil Masterminds, which is encouraging 925 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 9: because most of his issues are technique based. I think 926 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 9: it would be a little bit of a reach there, 927 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,799 Speaker 9: but I think he could he could feasibly go there, 928 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 9: you know, I think that's definitely possible. 929 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, So before I let you go, just some some 930 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 5: Day three sleepers. A couple of guys you know from 931 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,279 Speaker 5: the Senior Bowl, Christian Jones, h Javon Foster might be 932 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 5: you know, early day three if they do slip into 933 00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,960 Speaker 5: Day three. Those are two guys I caught my mind, 934 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 5: but you go, you know, a lot deeper than I do, 935 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 5: so or any sleepers that that you like on day 936 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:05,280 Speaker 5: three for the Pats. 937 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 9: Okay, day three, so we'll assume that Roger Rosengard and 938 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:14,400 Speaker 9: Blake Fisher are gone. Yeah after them, Yeah, Javon Foster, 939 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 9: you get into that. The print the or the Yale 940 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 9: kid is intriguing as a Day three guy to me. Yeah, 941 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,800 Speaker 9: Cayden Wallace maybe, you know, and these guys. You know, 942 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,560 Speaker 9: if I had to pick a favorite pure tackle out 943 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,279 Speaker 9: of those guys, it would definitely be Javon Foster. And 944 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,759 Speaker 9: that's that's because of first, I think the improvement that 945 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,399 Speaker 9: he showed from twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three, 946 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,160 Speaker 9: because I watched him last year thinking he could potentially 947 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 9: come out, and I just you know, I'm glad he 948 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,359 Speaker 9: went back, and I thought he played with a lot 949 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 9: more control this year. He's not as kind of wild, 950 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 9: and you know, he's a heavy two hand strike guy. 951 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 9: In pass protection, he tries to kind of kill guys 952 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 9: with his punch and I can get him into trouble. 953 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 9: He kind of reeled that back a little bit, played 954 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,799 Speaker 9: with more patients. Uh, So for him to show that 955 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 9: was nice. And then you know, had a really nice 956 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,840 Speaker 9: Senior Bowl as well. Yeah, not perfect, but you know 957 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 9: good and uh, you know, I just think he's also 958 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,759 Speaker 9: a guy traits guy for sure. In terms of you know, 959 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,400 Speaker 9: high weight, build, length, I would say athletic ability with 960 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 9: him is uh, you know, maybe like solid, you know 961 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 9: to good. Not a bad athlete, not a great athlete, 962 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:26,959 Speaker 9: but good. 963 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 4: Uh. 964 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,320 Speaker 9: He's coming from a heavy RPO system at at Missouri, 965 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,239 Speaker 9: which you know kind of protected him a little bit 966 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 9: in past protection, which wouldn't be an issue if he's 967 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 9: doing that in the pros. But he's you know, that's 968 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,439 Speaker 9: why he's a Day three guy because you just don't 969 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 9: feel great relying on him. But yeah, if you're picking 970 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 9: a guy in day three, he kind of reminds me 971 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 9: of Sean Coleman coming out of years back from Auburn. 972 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 9: You know, he's he's that kind of guy who he 973 00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:00,359 Speaker 9: has started level size, length and athletic ability, but you're 974 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,319 Speaker 9: going to need to be patient there, and you know, 975 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:03,960 Speaker 9: ideally he's part of a rotation. 976 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely somebody that senior bull riser columns all over 977 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,160 Speaker 5: the place after mobile people mover. That's what I noticed 978 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 5: about him was his play strength, and I did a 979 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,319 Speaker 5: great job on those double team blocks and things like 980 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:18,280 Speaker 5: that in those drills. 981 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,920 Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah, he has power at the point of attack 982 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,880 Speaker 9: for sure, it's just after the fact if guys challenge him, 983 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 9: he gets out leveraged pretty quickly and he's kind of 984 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,400 Speaker 9: late to adjust. He over extends his body control isn't great, 985 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,839 Speaker 9: but yeah, I mean double teams is a great opportunity 986 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,400 Speaker 9: to just unload on somebody with help and not have 987 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 9: to rely on It's more about immediate displacement as opposed 988 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,920 Speaker 9: to you know, a base block, you know, where you know, 989 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,960 Speaker 9: it's a lot different in terms of, you know, after 990 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 9: the point of attack. So yeah, there's certain areas where 991 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 9: you know, I think he has a lot of appeal 992 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,040 Speaker 9: and could help right away. It's just you know, he 993 00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:59,960 Speaker 9: just needs some work, you know, with technique. 994 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, he's Brandon Thorne. As you can tell those 995 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,600 Speaker 5: everything there is to know about the offensive line and 996 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,400 Speaker 5: off offensive line guru. You can find him at Trench Warfare. 997 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,920 Speaker 5: Please subscribe there to read Brandon stuff. He does free agency, 998 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,719 Speaker 5: he does the draft, a lot of great write ups 999 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 5: on all these guys, and obviously on Bleacher Report you 1000 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,320 Speaker 5: can read his scouting reports on all the draft prospects 1001 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:21,960 Speaker 5: in the twenty twenty four NFL Draft. 1002 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 7: Thanks for joining us, Brandon. 1003 00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,600 Speaker 9: Yeah, happy to do it, guys, Thanks for having me. 1004 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,280 Speaker 3: All right, that's going to do it for this episode 1005 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:28,719 Speaker 3: of Patriots Draft Countdown. 1006 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:29,879 Speaker 2: Will be back next week. 1007 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,479 Speaker 3: It's going to be a busy week for us. Evan, 1008 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,319 Speaker 3: you're head nowt to do some pro days. He's going 1009 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,440 Speaker 3: to get an up close look at both UNC and Georgia, Right, 1010 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,239 Speaker 3: all right, SSU might apologize, I'm going to be I'm 1011 00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:42,879 Speaker 3: going to be at the owners meetings, so we'll see 1012 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,359 Speaker 3: maybe if some deals get done. So we'll be back 1013 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,880 Speaker 3: next week though, taking a look at the secondary. 1014 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,000 Speaker 2: And don't worry, all will be here. He's got covered.