1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: So coach, we're gonna try to well, one of the 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: one of the you know, negatives that having you on 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: today is all the questions you got yesterday. So we're 4 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: gonna try to ask them a little bit differently so 5 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: you don't have to repeat yourself, because I thought you 6 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: went into very good explanation. But one of the things 7 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: we're just looking for definite clarity on because Stephen said, yes, 8 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: I'm very confident. Yesterday you said, yeah, I had a 9 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: positive conversation with Jerry. Have you talked with Jerry about 10 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: definitely coming back next year? Was that a conversation, Oh, 11 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 1: I mean absolutely, it's uh no, we didn't have I mean, 12 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: I'm full speed ahead. I mean, our our whole conversation 13 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: was you know, obviously we talked about the disappointment of 14 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: the game, um and things that went into the game, 15 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: and but you know the majority of our conversation was 16 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: about aligning all the positive things that we have and 17 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: how we're moving forward in the direction. Obviously we have 18 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: some things going on with our you know what, our 19 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: staff with both Dan and Kellen with interviews, but yeah, 20 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: our conversations of all, but you know, full steam ahead. 21 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: I mean I think I get did you have a 22 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: job to do and everybody has a job to do, 23 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: and how certain opinions go. But at the end of 24 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: the day, um, you know, internally we're we're full speed 25 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: ahead at the extra interviews with the players. I um, 26 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: we're phenomenal. It's you know, trust me, we're We're all 27 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: very very disappointed that that that you and I are 28 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: having this type of conversation today because we all felt that, 29 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: you know, what we accomplished during a regular season, we 30 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: really posed ourselves for a playoff run. So but it 31 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: also is a harsh reminder how tough, how tough it 32 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: is to win these games, and you know we didn't. 33 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: We didn't play well enough to win. So job statuses 34 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: never came up. It's just planning ahead talking about the game. 35 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: That just never came up. Between you and Jerry. Yes, no, 36 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: we we talked about every everything that you know, it 37 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: needs to be talked about. So, Coach, what surprised you 38 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: the most about the Niner game? What surprised me? Yeah? 39 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: Where are you like? I wasn't accounting for this. I 40 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: really can't believe this happened. Was it the physicality early on? 41 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: Was it? Was it the penalties? Even though it was 42 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: it was an issue throughout the year. What what what 43 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: surprised you the most about about the way that thing ended. Um, 44 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say. I wouldn't say I was surprised. I 45 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: mean it's you know, we were clearly prepared for the 46 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: type of game we're going into. But I think that 47 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: you know, the penalties definitely didn't help us, especially on 48 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: offense with the with the second I mean, I just 49 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: look at our second dounce situation. I don't know if 50 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 1: it's ever been that poor on offense that I could recall. 51 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: I think we had eight second and ten pluses or 52 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: second and tens, and we had four second and twenties. 53 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a obviously tells you what we did 54 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: on first down. So yeah, we had, uh, you know, 55 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: we really shut ourselves in a hole that we didn't 56 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: get the ball distributed like we normally have. I mean, 57 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: if you look at our season, you know, ball distribution, 58 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: it's a huge part of our success on offense, our 59 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: ability to spread the ball around throughout our perimeter, get 60 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: everybody involved. You know, we didn't we didn't accomplish that 61 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: against against the forty nine ers. Coach, you mentioned penalties 62 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,839 Speaker 1: you know, and there were there were obviously a lot 63 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: this year. How much of penalties are you know, especially 64 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: on the offensive line, like a technique type, you know, 65 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: the way the technique is coached within the system, How 66 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: much of penalties is that? How much? How much penalties 67 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: are techniques? You know, like like you know how much 68 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: you know in terms of like you know the reason 69 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: for the penalties. How much goes do you think is 70 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: should be blamed on technique that's coached, So the coaching 71 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: and the technique and in that equates to a penalty? Yeah, 72 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: like does it? Yeah? That's unmasking. Yeah, yeah, we don't 73 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: which you know what the coach techniques that equate the penalties. 74 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: I guess if that said, we're asking me. No, I'm 75 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: just saying, like penalties and categories. I mean you have 76 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: you have presnap penalties, which are you know those are 77 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: all those are all focused. There's no reason to have 78 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: a pre snap penalty, um, you know before the ball snaps, 79 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: you know, so that that's that's that's a focus. You 80 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: know that that goes down to you know, the discipline 81 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: and everything goes into pre snaps and then we have 82 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: the combative penalties and you know, those are um penalties 83 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: that we break into two different categories, you know, for 84 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: for instance and offensive holding. You know, um, we view 85 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: offensive holding in the pass game different than you didn't 86 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: we do in the run game. You know, there's absolutely 87 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: no reason to have a hold in the run game 88 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: because it's simple math. Um. If you cut your hands 89 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: outside and you feel like you're losing a block or 90 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: your feet are beat, you know, it's you take the 91 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: minus two game and burst the minus ten. But in 92 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: the past game, there's there's more things that can come 93 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: so you know, uh, more negatives that can go wrong. 94 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: So so you look at holding, you know, as far 95 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: as a pass protection, differently than you're doing run blocking. 96 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 1: So am I answering your question pretty much? Coach. I mean, 97 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: it's just a it's an age old question right in 98 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: terms of you know, penalties. Is it on players? Is 99 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: it on coaches? Obviously? I mean I've heard you one 100 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: hundred times say how much you guys emphasize it is 101 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: the thing that maybe gets lost sometimes is you know, 102 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: if you get beat, you may commit a penalty. It's 103 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: not that you're coaching it incorrectly. It's not that you're 104 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: not emphasizing it. But and I'm not saying it's a 105 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: lack of talent thing, but in a matchup, if you 106 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: get beat you might grab, you might hold, and maybe 107 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: maybe it's just a matchup issue on that particular played. 108 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: How much does that weigh into it? Well, I mean 109 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: these are all good points, but you know, you're looking 110 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: at a lot of players just in one game to 111 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: to say this. You know, it isn't like all ten 112 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: of our penalties or all fourteen our penilies came down 113 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: to a bad matchup. So was the matchup part of it? 114 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: You know, I think that that could be it. But 115 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: you know there's there's plays. You know, obviously you can't 116 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: you can't help everybody, you know when you have matchups 117 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: that you may be concerned about. Not that I felt 118 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: like we needed to help a lot of our players, 119 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: but there's you know, there's stress points in every play. Uh, 120 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: there's a stress point in every in every protection. If 121 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: there's no stress point in the schematic protection, trust me, 122 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: this game has been going on for one hundred years, 123 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: everybody would be running the same one protection that had 124 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: no stress points. So I mean, so that's that's part 125 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: of the beauty of the game of football because it's 126 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: eleven coordinated individuals, you know, on every single play. So 127 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: and I think the biggest thing with penalties too. And 128 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: day I just sat here for three days talking eighty 129 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: five players, and you know, number one number one priority 130 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: was to discipline in inde penalties and it's you know, 131 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: whether it's technique. You know, the pre snap ones are 132 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: the ones that we totally have to eliminate, you know, 133 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: just get rid of that because there is just there's 134 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: no need for that. I think that part that, you know, 135 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: it goes deeper. We've got to look at, you know, 136 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: the cadience variations that we're using. You know that we 137 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: have a young center that needs to take another step. 138 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: So there's there's a lot of different variables. It's not 139 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: it's not just one. And I think at the end 140 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: of the day, and I'm not um trying to take 141 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: the penalty focused down because it will be a primary 142 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: focus for us. But you know, you're talking about one 143 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: one less penalty a game. Maybe there're two less penalties 144 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: a game. And you know, and I puts you in 145 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: the top ten rankings. So I mean it's not that 146 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: we're you know, oh my god, we got a long 147 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: way to go. But you know, oh my god, yes 148 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: it did shoot us. It hurt us in the most 149 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: important game of the year, and that's the tournament. And 150 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: I definitely have there's a pattern because of our numbers, 151 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: but you know there's some other distinct patterns too, And 152 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: and I talked about this a little bit, um at 153 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: the press conference yesterday. You know, every trust me, everything, 154 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: everything is collected as far as the data for evaluation. 155 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: You know, I'm talking about every play at practice, the 156 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: pace of the play, you know, all those details are 157 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: in place here. We're very fortunate with the analytics, you know, 158 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: structure we have here. But the thing it doesn't add 159 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: up about this particular team is our mental evaluation is 160 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: pretty darn high. I mean, this is one of the 161 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: better teams of coach as far as miss assignments and 162 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: mental errors um. And I'm talking on a fifteen year scale. 163 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: So you using your your your your mental ears and 164 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: mas missed assignments, um. They usually run parallel to your 165 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: your penalty numbers. And that's not the case. So you know, 166 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: we you know, we look at it every week. I 167 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: mean I talk about penalties every Monday. In the team meeting. 168 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: So obviously we're not spending enough time on our penalty prevention, 169 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: you know, emphasis and in particularly in our and some 170 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: of our fundamental duels to your question earlier. So those 171 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: are the things that are all part of the evaluation. 172 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: And you know, and it's and it's as simple as Okay, 173 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 1: we spend five minutes on Thursday on it, or we're 174 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: going to spend fifteen minutes spread out on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. 175 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: So that's what just really equates too, because you know, 176 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: it's how much time do you spend in each area 177 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: to improve your football team. And and yes, you're making 178 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: a great point here, we're gonna spend more time on 179 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: getting rid of these penalties because they need to go down, 180 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, at least two penalties a game. Mike McCarthy 181 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: here on the fan, Uh, coach, did it ever bother 182 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: you when after the games? Uh, the players would point 183 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: the finger at the officials. We're sitting here saying, well, 184 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: you didn't play well enough and there was a lot 185 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: of other reasons and you didn't lose because of the 186 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: officials and just one play. It shouldn't have come down 187 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 1: to that. You know, don't make excuses have some accountability. 188 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: Did you ever feel that way when that was some 189 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: of the postgame reaction from from the team. I'll say this, 190 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: you know, we know we have we have building blocks, um, 191 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: you know that we talked about, you know, referred to 192 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 1: quite frankly, and availability and accountability is one of the 193 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: key ones. You know. What I've learned with this job 194 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: is you know, there's things that get said after games 195 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: that you you have to you have to you know, 196 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: give it twenty four hours. So and I think that's 197 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: clearly the beauty of the Monday team meetings, in the 198 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: Monday evaluation process. You know, um, because even the players 199 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: you know, kid around with me, you know, our victory Monday. Um, 200 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: when we do win and we have a victory Monday, 201 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: the players still work and they're not totally off, which 202 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: is you know what the way some people do, because 203 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: you still have to you still have to go through it. 204 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: And my point is the accountability process is in place 205 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: and it's constant with us. So yeah, they get to 206 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: the guy or to make a comment about officiating after 207 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: a game, and some of our games this year, yeah, yeah, yeah, 208 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: absolutely probably about you know, as far as how we 209 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: address we don't win to't playing officials for outcomes of games, 210 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 1: you know, now or have we been frustrated coming out 211 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: of a game because because of some things that went 212 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: on and maybe officiating as part of it. Absolutely, but 213 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: that's that's the game of football. Uh. And let's be honest, 214 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: it's you know, tongue in cheek, heare, I mean, you're 215 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: doing your job if you you you get the individuals 216 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: that have to answer questions after games that just say something. 217 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, if a guy gives an 218 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: honest answer, speaking from the heart after a game, and 219 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: then you know they has a chance to you know, 220 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: take a step back and you know, speak with his 221 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: mind and next morning, I think, I think we have 222 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: to understand that. That's that's professional sports. And and there's 223 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: definitely a discipline in that. There's an experience in that. 224 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: Um hey, you guys are great guys and everything, but 225 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: trust me, you're you're the last people I want to 226 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: talk to you right after. Uh. You know that that's 227 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 1: definitely you know, job responsibility is you know, checking the box. 228 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: But I do understand, you know, it's part of it. 229 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: And our players did too. And I think our players 230 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: do a good job. I think our players there. You know, 231 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: I've worked at a few places in this league. You know, 232 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: the demands that are on our players are second to none, 233 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: and I think they do an outstanding job with it. 234 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: And but yeah, is there going to be a common 235 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: or two a year um that they have to you know, 236 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: you know, step back the next day. Yes, absolutely, But 237 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: you know, if you want to, we're in the compare 238 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: and everything. You know, our players do a great job 239 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: compared to you know, their volume of responsibility in this area, 240 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: compared to you know, their their pairs, that's for sure. 241 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: That's without a doubt. Like it's like I've worked at 242 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: a place, it's pretty popular here before I got to Dallas. 243 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: I've always wanted to ask you about that, you know, 244 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: not that you came from, you know, a JV high 245 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: school job. You're with the legendary program, winning a title 246 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: with the Packers. But is there what's different or something 247 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: really unique about coaching the Cowboys Mike that you were like, Okay, 248 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: I didn't know it was going to be like this, 249 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: Like what what what a separated? What what a separated 250 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: from your Green Bay um spotlight being the head coach 251 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: of the Cowboys anything like clearly jump out. I mean 252 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: there's a number of things. I think the biggest thing 253 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: is and I think it's like any job that you 254 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: would compare to the Cowboys. I mean, I mean it's 255 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: it's it's so unique. Um, you know, just the way 256 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: that you know, the structure of just the fanfare is intense. 257 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: I mean it's you know, it's it's intense and green Bay, 258 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: but this is you know this, this is unbelievable here. 259 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: The passion the people you know that have for the 260 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. And but you're also in a h you know, 261 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: you're in a great sports city here too. I mean 262 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: it's just i mean, high school football here is just 263 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: off the start. I mean, so, I mean just the 264 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: whole environment and how the Dallas Cowboys are so inbredded 265 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: into this community here is uh, you know, that's that's 266 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: super special. But there's a there's a lot of things here. Um, 267 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: you know, the thing I love about it is the people. 268 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you got you got people here that have 269 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: been here a long time and they are obviously very 270 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: good at what they do, but you know it's uh, 271 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: you know, their passion to get back to to the 272 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 1: championship and bring the trophy home and frankly, that's all 273 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: I'm in it for. I mean, you know, you know, 274 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: once you hold the trophy, there's there's there's nothing else 275 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: like it. There's going to playoffs. It's just you know, 276 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: like I said, I think we talked about this slack 277 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 1: last week. You know, the playoffs is the starting line. 278 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: So and you know obviously we didn't we didn't get 279 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: past the first leg. But uh, you know, it's all 280 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: about winning championships in this place. Uh, you know has 281 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: a chance to do it like none other coach. You 282 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: want to ask you about the final play. I know 283 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: you went into detail about it yesterday, but in terms 284 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: of like the call is that was that? A? Is 285 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: that the set play from the sideline? There was ending 286 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: Dak changed the line of scrimmage to uh. I don't 287 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: want to say go rogue, but you know make that himself. 288 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: There's no there's no rogueness. It's it's it's a it's 289 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: a it's a play. You know, it's it's the last 290 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: two situations. So we're done there, our last two plays 291 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: of the game. It's all sequenced. You have you have 292 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: play calls that are laid out from the you know, 293 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: the forty yard line to the thirty then from the 294 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: thirty to the time. So it's all practice, rehearsed, um, 295 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: you know, the last segments of the plays of the 296 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: game or laid out no different than the red zone 297 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: plan or a third down plan or two minute plans. 298 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, so as far as um what we were expecting, 299 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: you know, they were in a sideline defense, which when 300 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: you look at the film you know they were protecting 301 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: the sidelines because we had actually run two sideline offensive 302 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: plays prior to that to move the ball down to 303 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: the forty plus there where we're currently we were there 304 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: there and um, so with that, you know, having a 305 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: being above the thirteen seconds, you know, puts us in 306 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: a in a tight clock you know situation and uh 307 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: and so verse that defense. That's exactly the call you want. 308 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: You want the quick step quick three step draw pass 309 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: or the draw. And based on how they they lined 310 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: their d lineman you know what arm stems about sixty 311 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: six nine, you know, and he's playing the jumper position, 312 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: you know, looking for the quick pass. You know, the 313 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: draws the right call there. So it's a you know, 314 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: Ken Kelln sent it in and in the draw check 315 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: was appropriate and so as far as the play in 316 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: the execution, you know, uh, everything was intact, you know, 317 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: sitting here yesterday with that going through it, you know, 318 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: moving forward, we got to probably put a ten yard 319 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: limit on the game. Um, so he you know, he 320 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: was he was aggressive there. But the mechanics at the 321 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: end is really the breakdown of the place and that's 322 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: you know, something that we've obviously had a lot of conversation, 323 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: and that's you know, something that's you know, it's uh, 324 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: it's a big you know, it's it's part of the outcome. 325 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: So we got to learn from it. I think the 326 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: conversations with everybody that needs to be involved is there, 327 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: and it's it's clearly unfortunate we didn't have an opportunity 328 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: to take a shot you know, at the end zone 329 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: because you know, it's clearly a better play selection or 330 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: play opportunity from the twenty five yard end it is 331 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: from the forty forty two yard line. I saw a 332 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: video of I think it was the Ravens where they 333 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: had basically the same play and you know, the official 334 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: got there a little bit quicker tapped the ball. Should 335 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: we should they like change how the process is done 336 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: from an officiating standpoint, just trailing RAF's very much onus 337 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: coach on the trailing raff being Michael Johnson spreading up there. 338 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get you in trouble with the league, 339 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: but you know, we did see the overhead shot of 340 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: a fifteen twenty yards sprint versus you know, maybe a 341 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: sideline official coming in horizontally who sees the spot of 342 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: the ball can maybe be there faster. Technically it was 343 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: a twenty eight yard sprint. He measures, I would measure no, 344 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: I think just in conversation, I mean, it's it's definitely 345 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 1: something that'll be part of their training tape. UM, you know, 346 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: it's it's It's definitely has made us, you know, take 347 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: a step back and evaluate, you know, you know, what 348 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: can we make, what can we do better so the 349 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,959 Speaker 1: referee can have a cleaner you know, maybe open up 350 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: the a gap, you know, so you know, if he 351 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: isn't a twenty eight yard full sprint, is a little 352 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: more room for him to go right through there, you know, 353 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: so he doesn't run in a quarterback. So all those 354 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: things were talking about, UM, and that's you know, unfortunately 355 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: for us, I think, UM, the teams in that situation 356 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: in the officials, that situation will be will be better prepared. 357 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: Coach uh, I want to ask you your reaction to 358 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: see if you think it's a fair Probably the number 359 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: one criticism of you is Mike McCarthy needs to improve 360 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: as a game manager. Those situations dealing with the clock, 361 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: how fair unfair? Do you think that that main criticism 362 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: of you is? Oh, I don't agree with it because 363 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: you know, obviously I know the you know the specifics 364 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: of why the decisions that were made UM were made. 365 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: So I mean, we we don't have time for all this, 366 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: but we could go through every one of them and 367 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: there's there's a clear reason why. Now was you know, 368 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: there was a mistake made UM in the Charger game there. 369 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: You know, we had a we had a substitution er 370 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: UM there at the end UM. So with dealing with 371 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: the substitution mistake UM, and then the clock that we 372 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: were all viewing from there on our sideline did go 373 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,719 Speaker 1: off the board. We had to RecA celebrate and then 374 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: we just obviously kicked the field goal and won the game. 375 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: But so you know, that was a we had a 376 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: substitution there there that that created that situation. But you 377 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: know when you go through other decisions, Um, I think 378 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, I thought I'd talked to you 379 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: guys about this before. But anyways, I think in every 380 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: situation involving um, you know, timeouts and things like that, 381 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: there's usually you know, there's usually a conservative option or 382 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: an aggressive option. No different with four downs, Say to me, 383 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: they all are all in the same category. So if 384 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: you take a conservative option, like not calling a time 385 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: out before the Philadelphia game because you're worried about their 386 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: pass rush when you're when they're backed up because we 387 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: did give up a sack fumble, we're learning the game, 388 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: you take a conservative you know option there, and it 389 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: doesn't make you wrong, you know. And if you look 390 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: at the way the game concluded, our defense was in 391 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: command of the game. So it's end up being the 392 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: right decision. So U So, I think if you go 393 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: through the specifics of it, I'd talk game management with anybody. 394 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: I put our process up against anybody. We've got a 395 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: really good crew here that I think our our in 396 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: game communication is excellent. Um So, I think the people 397 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: that do know, particularly in league circles. You know, we 398 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: were on a game management UM conference call every Wednesday 399 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: night with with a group of people in that area. 400 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: So there's a lot that goes into it. But as 401 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,479 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's about execution on game day. And 402 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: I think we have a very healthy process, um, and 403 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: our guys are well prepared to My disappointment is for 404 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: as much time as we spend on it, uh, you know, 405 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: particularly in season Friday and Saturday. You know, we even 406 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: gone back to we did a bunch of it more 407 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: than I ever have in the spring and the ota. 408 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: So and I just believe in our OI. You know, 409 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: the return on the investment is is we're only going 410 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: to be better moving forward. And and um, I think 411 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: part of being a leaders you you take the you 412 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: take the you take the hits when things still go wrong, 413 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: and you spread the credit around when it goes right. 414 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: And that's that's a part of my management style, always 415 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: has been. And I think I got a lot of 416 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: dentists because of it. But I feel it's part of 417 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: being a good leader coach. Final thing here, Um, it 418 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: just seemed like after the New England game, the office 419 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 1: was humming. It was it was like, you know, Dak 420 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: was an MVP candidate. He has the calf injury and 421 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: then just seemed like some things change. Was that was 422 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: there like a lingering injury? Was there a mechanical thing 423 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: that changed with him. Just seemed like he wasn't as accurate, 424 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: wasn't going downfield as much? Was anything different? Um, you 425 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: know it's you know, it's really that stretcher what Denver, Atlanta, 426 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: Kansas City, you know, the Raider or something that that. 427 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: That was definitely the rough stretcher where we you know, 428 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: we lost three out of four. Um. But yeah, you 429 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: know I would say no to the injury. You know, 430 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: he I mean, he's such he's such a tough individual. 431 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: You know, he wouldn't you know, I did he let 432 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: you know if he really was hurting. But yeah, I 433 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: just think it was a combination of a number of things. 434 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: You know, we you know, both our running backs we're 435 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: dealing with injuries. Um, you know, we had some movement. 436 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:08,959 Speaker 1: It's in the line. And I think it's just like 437 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: anything in the game of football when you do have 438 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 1: change upfront, or there's any change in your run offensive, 439 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: run defense. You know, we got to do a really 440 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: good job of giving variation and other opportunities around that. 441 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 1: So and you have to go through that, and when 442 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: there's I haven't seen too many sixteen or seventeen game 443 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: seasons where you're going to go cleanly through that. And 444 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: that was definitely our roughest pass to get through and 445 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: every as bumpy as hell. Um, but you know, I 446 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: think the biggest thing is then we responded with what 447 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: four pour wins and and um, you know, then they 448 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: had that tough, tough game against Arizona, but you know 449 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: we won five to the last six, and you know, 450 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: I thought we really put ourselves in a good position 451 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: going into the playoffs. Well look, man, this is uh, 452 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: this has been a real pleasure. All of our listeners 453 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,959 Speaker 1: every week talk about how much they enjoy what you 454 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: give us on here. Thank you for being patient with us, 455 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: try to enjoy a little bit of the offseason, and 456 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: we've really look forward to getting you back next year 457 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: here on the show. Thanks for everything, Mike, take care 458 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: all right. Well, thank you man. I enjoyed working with 459 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: you this year. Thank you, coach.