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Speaker 4: He's The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 4: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Away special edition of The Drive. You're on Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: I am Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson. We are

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Speaker 1: in West Palm Beach, Florida. Yeah for West Palm Beach floor.

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Speaker 1: It's nice here now, that's great. It was raining here

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Speaker 1: a little bit earlier, but now the typical Florida.

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Speaker 2: We typical Florida right through and then five minutes later

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Speaker 2: beautiful once again.

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Speaker 1: Back and the sun is out and now it gets

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Speaker 1: hot and all that fun stuff. But we had lots

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Speaker 1: of uh waiting on Mike Tomlin to speak today and

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Speaker 1: he met with just met with the media, which I

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Speaker 1: took part in that interview there. You can check out

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Speaker 1: the coverage later on today or right now at Steelers

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Speaker 1: dot com. But was asked about obviously a lot of

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Speaker 1: questions regarding the quarterback position and basically said, hey, we're

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Speaker 2: We get they have two quarterbacks on the roster right.

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Speaker 1: Now, where they're gonna you know, add a quarterback potentially

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Speaker 1: both are both on the they're both on the table

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Speaker 2: We know they take four quarterbacks before camp for sure

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Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's not beyond the realm of

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Speaker 2: A quarterback and also draft one. Yeah, that doesn't sound

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Speaker 2: crazy at all, and real quick, folks, I mean, just

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Speaker 2: It's a very fluid situation. Twitter has been blowing up,

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Speaker 2: where's Matt and Dale? I knew you guys were coming

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Speaker 2: at four, and we're an hour late on my apology.

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Speaker 1: We were waiting for Mike Tomins talk because we wanted

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Speaker 2: We go on to be part of that round Tay too.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, it's also kind of the reason I'm

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Speaker 1: here exactly, and this is this become secondary to the process.

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Speaker 2: But so we're coming at you late. I appreciate all

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Speaker 2: And now here we are so off and running no

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Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't think that was how it was

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Speaker 1: Well, And as he mentioned, he said, look, you know,

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Speaker 2: The other one that he mentioned, I was kind of

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Speaker 1: There was another college. I'd have to look through my

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Speaker 1: So I mean, they're looking at all avenues right now,

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Speaker 2: Right right right, they're not using out on anybody. Nothing's changed.

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Speaker 1: Who are just here vacation, just on vacation, and they're

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Speaker 2: The outfits there wearing are probably my whole wardrobe combined

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Speaker 2: Actually see a little bit more. We're we're out in

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Speaker 2: So Pickens has to go. Why. I mean, what's terrible

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think too, George Pickens is a better

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Speaker 2: It's not even close, to be honest with that.

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Speaker 1: Metcalf is like, scare the but Jesus out of you

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Speaker 2: You can't press him exactly. Like I'm not saying DK

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Speaker 2: when he leaves somebody in the dust. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: So he doesn't get much press coverage. But he's also

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Speaker 2: they do different things. I still think George is not,

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Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 1: He is the Matt Williamson, and we are here at

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Speaker 2: Had a nice sit down with him and really just.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

436
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I still think I mean, if you look at

437
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,119
Speaker 1: this team right now, you still need help on the

438
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 1: defensive line absolutely, And I think to me, you can

439
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,640
Speaker 1: always use another offensive lineman.

440
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, whether you know, maybe you don't.

441
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 1: Draft that guy in the first round or even with

442
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 1: your third round pick, you don't have a second round pick,

443
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 1: but those I've seen fourth round offensive lineman. I've seen

444
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 1: third round offensive linemen work out pretty well.

445
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean and thing I think about where

446
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 2: we're you know where we're at. I mean the history there.

447
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 3: I mean when I came in, you know, I wasn't

448
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 3: a first rounder like a lot of the guys that

449
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 3: were on that line when I came in, because I

450
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 3: mean Kendall Simmons was the first rounder. Jeff Harding was

451
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 3: the first rounder. I'll be at for the Lions. Allen

452
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 3: Fanniks is the first rounder. And then you had Marvel

453
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,880
Speaker 3: who was the early second round pick, so I came

454
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,679
Speaker 3: as a third rounder. And then after that Willie Cologne

455
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 3: fourth rounder, Trey Essex third rounder, Chris kim Weyattu sixth rounder.

456
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 3: Yeah right, I mean Darnel Stapleton.

457
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: You know, that's the beauty of having those some of

458
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,880
Speaker 1: those high draft picks, some of those quote unquote pedigree guys. Yeah,

459
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,679
Speaker 1: he's now you can fill in around them, you know,

460
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 1: because they're supposed to be your stars. Those are your

461
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: guys that those are your building pieces. So you've got

462
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 1: the two for you got the two offensive tackles who

463
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: were first round picks that you would hope become first

464
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 1: round type players.

465
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 2: Those those foundational players.

466
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 1: You've got a second round center, which you know, you

467
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 1: just typically don't see a lot.

468
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 2: Of centers drafted in the first round. So that looks

469
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 2: like a pretty good player.

470
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks like he'll be a pretty good player. Yeah,

471
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: and now you can kind of build the rest of

472
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: that around those guys.

473
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 3: And Mason Mason was what a sixth rounder, fourth round

474
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 3: fourth rounder. He's the fourth rounder there, and you're saying,

475
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 3: we've got plenty of pieces around here. We can slide

476
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 3: in a guy that might not be as like you said,

477
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 3: even if we don't go in the third, right, we

478
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,360
Speaker 3: go in the fourth round, go in the fifth round

479
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 3: and find a guy because I think in this draft,

480
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 3: because of the concentration a lot of other groups, those

481
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 3: guys who are the good middle tier offensive line are

482
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 3: gonna fall a little bit because there's gonna be other

483
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 3: positions that people are gonna run on.

484
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 2: And we still haven't seen the end of movement.

485
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 3: I mean, who knows what's gonna happen as far as

486
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 3: the Steelers getting back into that top one hundred. Another

487
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 3: another crack at the apple, But you know where we

488
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 3: stand right now as it sits. I mean, like you said,

489
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 3: defensive line, I feel like is is a big emphasis

490
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 3: because you've got to get younger there and you've got

491
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 3: to get more depth there. Yeah, and then of course

492
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 3: you know you're still gonna always want to evaluate what

493
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 3: we have at the running back position. Always can always

494
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 3: use more offensive linemen because guys that you thought were

495
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 3: gonna be able to come back, not Nate Herbik gone

496
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 3: to Washington, right, you know, and James Daniels down to Miami. Now,

497
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 3: so it's like, okay, well we need some guys to

498
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 3: bolster in, Guys who can play that tweener right. That'd

499
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 3: be more like Spencer Anderson, who is under contract. Can't

500
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 3: play that guard tackle position, interior swing guy that can

501
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 3: bump to the outside.

502
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 2: So Max, you mentioned the running back situation, and Dale

503
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 2: and I were talking about in the first segment just

504
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 2: getting a strong inkling. Nausey's gone. Some of the guys

505
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 2: they brought in for visits are the Texas kid who

506
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: can fly like the wind, tooting Samson. They don't look

507
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 2: like Nausey, they don't look like Jerome, and I think

508
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 2: a lot of it now if they'll go that direction

509
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 2: or not. Part of it worries me because December and

510
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 2: bad weather hits, and I'm a big believer of a

511
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: big back that'll beat your face. But part of me

512
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 2: is thinking athletic line swing passes, you know, more screens

513
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 2: year two of the Arthur Smith zone scheme, and mostly

514
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: because you have those two monsters on the outside, you

515
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 2: should be more space. I don't think it's an accident

516
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 2: that coach Tomler mentioned game well in the flats you know, so, yeah,

517
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 2: would you be worried if you didn't have a hammerback

518
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 2: or are you excited that they might have the explosive

519
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 2: take it to the house guy. I mean they'll probably

520
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 2: add one more. Yeah, they're gonna add one more, and

521
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna come in the draft. Yeah.

522
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 3: I you know one of the guys I still look

523
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 3: at and obviously he ran just recently in his PRODA

524
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 3: camp Scataboo, and he was in the four sixes. Everybody

525
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 3: was like, Oh, that's not fast enough, he's slow his dirt.

526
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 3: That might be the guy you need because his game speed.

527
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 3: And I called two of his games live. I've watched

528
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 3: this guy get stronger between the tackles and he can

529
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 3: still pull away in game time, away from defensive backs,

530
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 3: run away from safeties, and I'm like, and he's patient

531
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 3: enough that he allows the offensive line to set up blocks.

532
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 3: So I still wouldn't be surprised if you're still going

533
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 3: to get that big hammerback that can soften up the middle.

534
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: But like you said, have the versatility.

535
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Speaker 3: If I want to run a two back set right,

536
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 3: I can now I can now split out Jalen.

537
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 2: I can now, you know, have.

538
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 3: A spill for gain well or if I get them

539
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 3: in if teams want to get heavy on coming to

540
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 3: the outside, now I can run it up the middle

541
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 3: because these guys can still run up the middle.

542
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Speaker 2: They're still our classic guy.

543
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 3: So I think you need that balance, and I think

544
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 3: there is a hammer back in there. I think if not,

545
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 3: if we are going to go to that, that'll make

546
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 3: it a little less likely for the a gap run game.

547
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 2: Which I think you still have to do because you got.

548
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,959
Speaker 3: Zach and Mason who are not short on the nasty.

549
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 2: They've been afflicted.

550
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 3: By the nasty gene, which I love a the offensive

551
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 3: line position. But at the same time, if you want

552
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 3: to utilize it and highlight their skill set as well,

553
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 3: which I think that's why I think there's still that

554
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 3: guy out there.

555
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do too, and we'll see you know where

556
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: scattered four to six is fine for a running.

557
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 3: Back gets I don't need you to hit the home run.

558
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 3: Get me four yards on average, and we're still on

559
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 3: schedule as a team, right, because that's what you base

560
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 3: it on, right, you get three opportunities.

561
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about the fourth downs. I hate the

562
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 2: fourth and short. So tush push, conversation gone right now.

563
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 3: But if I get four yards of carry and I

564
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 3: run three times in a row, that's twelve yards.

565
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: Right, you're getting the first down.

566
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 3: I'm getting the first down. That's what I care about.

567
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 3: Don't be a guy that's gonna dance in the backfield.

568
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 3: And then now we're talking about three yard average because

569
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 3: then now we are in the fourth and one world.

570
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: Well, and then to our the point of our conversation,

571
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, if you're seeing fewer loaded boxes like that's

572
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: been the issue that the Steelers have had the last

573
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: couple of years, is like, Okay, you're gonna run when

574
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: Nausey Harris is in the game, and you've got you know,

575
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: you've got Washington and you got all these big guys.

576
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 2: Hat you're gonna be.

577
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: Running into eight man boxes pretty consistently just because they

578
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: the other teams. You might as well put it on

579
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: this on the screen exactly, Hey, we're running here.

580
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 2: They're not stupid. I believe the defensive guys are not

581
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 2: that smart. They're not. But the coach coaches the coach there,

582
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 2: it is the coach of deflesive guys don't know anything.

583
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 3: No it's just seatball, hit the ball. But but I think, yeah,

584
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 3: but I think that's the other thing. And you want

585
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 3: to be able to have a guy who can run

586
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 3: out of eleven personnel as well. I think the other

587
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 3: thing that kind of hurt nausee was not you couldn't

588
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 3: run out of eleven personnel, you know, And so that's

589
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 3: why it got obvious. You know, you got you got

590
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 3: Connor Hayward in there.

591
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: He's not there to run a rout. So a couple

592
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago they bring in you Check

593
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 2: for a visit. Yeah, I found that. We didn't talk

594
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: a lot about that. And people they want to they

595
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 2: want to play the fullback. U Scheck's a fullback.

596
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: But no, he's not a banker full back. No, he's

597
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: more of a weapon type full back.

598
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 2: He's closer to Connor Hayward than he is full from

599
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 2: the eighty right. Yeah, absolutely, you know it's not there.

600
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 2: It's not like they were bringing in Patrick or Card. Yeah.

601
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: That's a that's a fullbacks full back. Yeah, you know

602
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 2: that that that that's what every fullback hopes to grow

603
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: up and be.

604
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's an offensive lineman who plays full back.

605
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, that they put his name. Yeah, they just

606
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 3: changed that, but he's he's offensive athlete. Yeah, I mean

607
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 3: it's not like alec Ingold would be another guy that

608
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 3: kind of is a close one, like you check, whereas

609
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 3: you see these fullbacks are more utility backs, and I

610
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 3: think that would be more accurate of their statement. They

611
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: can run, but they're not taking the mic in the

612
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 3: a gap twelve times a game like Dan Ryder's doing,

613
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 3: to be sure, and I think, you know, you have

614
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 3: to look at those options of guys who can catch

615
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 3: out of the backfield. And I think, you know, we

616
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 3: still have something with Connor. You know, his production went

617
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 3: down as kind of this offense was trying to find

618
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 3: his legs a year. I really think in year two

619
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: now that Arthur has a better handle on what he has,

620
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 3: I have to believe that that thirteen personnel that we

621
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 3: saw in training camp and the variations that they ran off,

622
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 3: I have to feel like that's gonna come more into

623
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: play and we'll see a little bit more Connor Hayward.

624
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 3: And I think that's why you ultimately don't bring Kyle

625
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 3: Yustcheck in real quick.

626
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 2: I mean, Arthur Smith's known for an outside zone scheme

627
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: I don't think Nausey fit that well at all, to

628
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: be honest with you, I think a new back will

629
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: go a long way, which isn't Nausey's fault. They inherited him,

630
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: you know. I mean that's a big reason to me.

631
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: Is not nobody's ripping Nausey Harris right at the same time,

632
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 2: you guys always ripping nau here hell of a player,

633
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: but sometimes square peg roundhole right, right, And it just

634
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: happens with coaching changes and different scheme changes, and everything's

635
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: always so fluid in the league. But would you expect

636
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: with a hand picked Arthur or Smith back for it

637
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: to look better the outside zone game in particular, I did, Yeah, I.

638
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 3: Do, because you know, I think Arthur and and Coachman

639
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: kind of talked about this.

640
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: Arthur's had a.

641
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: Hand in the transactions that have happened on the offense side.

642
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: Of the mall.

643
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 3: So when you're thinking about a DK addition, a Kenneth

644
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 3: Gainwell addition to that unit, he has a plan in

645
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 3: place for those.

646
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: So I think whoever we get in the draft, the.

647
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: Three offensive linemen that you drafted.

648
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 3: Like draft hand but some things you inherent and you

649
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 3: got to deal with, like You're not going to demote

650
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 3: nausey middle of the season because he didn't earn that

651
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 3: he just can't do what you're asking them to do.

652
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: He's still one of your best guys.

653
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 3: He's best athlete on that side of the ball and

654
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 3: has the most experienced too. You have to also remember

655
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: this is a young group that did not have a

656
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 3: lot of experience.

657
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: Yes, you could say.

658
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 5: Russell Wilson was old as Methuselah, however you want to

659
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 5: look at it. But he was new to this team,

660
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 5: new to the team, and he missed the first six

661
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,719
Speaker 5: game year, and he missed all the preseason right minus

662
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 5: the you know, the the kind of compensatory pick that

663
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 5: you know, opportunities he had and what that not Detroit yeah,

664
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 5: Detroit game? Yeah yeah, five plays, So you kind of

665
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 5: have to work with that. And I think having this

666
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 5: opportunity to now another year. So when we do see

667
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 5: these guys and it is an Arthur Smith picked back,

668
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 5: you best believe the offense now opens back up.

669
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: And I would guess. I mean, to me, Warren is

670
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: a really, really good player and a somewhat underappreciated player.

671
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 2: I don't have a lot of concerns if I know

672
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: there's gonna be another back involved, but if he gets

673
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: twenty percent more than he did a year ago, I'm

674
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 2: not concerned about it. I think it's a good thing.

675
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 3: No, And for him, I think, yeah, you have the injury,

676
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,239
Speaker 3: you know, that kind of sideline him a little bit

677
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 3: in the season. But when he brings explosion wise right

678
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 3: receiver out of the receiving out of the backfield and

679
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 3: just hick slipperiness and his willingness to pick up those.

680
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: Is really good. Right.

681
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 3: You can't beat that heart, right right, I mean, that

682
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 3: heart is what you want in that room.

683
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 2: And I think and then you added Kenneth Gainwell, who not.

684
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 3: Only excels at blocking, he likes tackling on kick coverages.

685
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, so you're getting that.

686
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 3: So now I think that third piece kind of just

687
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,959
Speaker 3: finishes that trinity right of heart, hustle, dedication, all kind

688
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 3: of comes together, and that back will fit right in

689
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 3: that They will pick a guy that blends with those

690
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 3: two guys.

691
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 2: My hunch is Warren will probably still be the leading

692
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: rusher on the team. Yeah. I mean if scatabo in

693
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: round three, oh yeah, yeah.

694
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 3: Because I think, like you said, Scataboo would be more

695
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 3: of your situational guy. Like you said, late in the year,

696
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 3: he might outpace Jalen on on on stuff, but early

697
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 3: in the year, in the middle of the year, it's

698
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 3: gonna be Jalen because the weather's gonna gonna give you

699
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 3: that dictation as well as the experience. And then his

700
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 3: cam gets more comfortable just saying if his cam it

701
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 3: could be a Trevion Henderson or whoever else right, that

702
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 3: back will then get later usage because he's built for

703
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 3: the colder weather games that we're expecting that.

704
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: You know, we've.

705
00:32:54,520 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: Drafted, We do our mock drafts, and we've ended up

706
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: drafting Trevon Henderson a few times.

707
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: When people, oh, you can't take a small I'm like,

708
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: he's not a small back necessarily.

709
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: He was not as big as he was too as

710
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: a combine because he slimmed down because they all do.

711
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 2: They all slim down to run fast.

712
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: But he played it like two ten last year at

713
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: in Ohio State. He is not a small back. He

714
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: is not one hundred and ninety pounds scatback. That is

715
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: not who he is. And he might be the best

716
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: pass protection back in this draft.

717
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: Like he is very willing to do that, which is rare.

718
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: You just don't see a lot of guys that have

719
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: that experience because most of the time, if they're on

720
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: the field, it's because they're getting the football. Like, as

721
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: much as I like ashtra Gent, I'm not going to

722
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: ask him to pass protect a whole lot because I don't.

723
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: Know he's especially on Boise State.

724
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you're on the field in a passing

725
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 3: place because we're swinging the past team, right.

726
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't even take it any more punishment

727
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: without the ball. Yeah, the best guy. Real quick question

728
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: for you, Max, because I think it's really a and

729
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: and I think it's ni l related. This draft class.

730
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 2: The running backs across the board are really bad in protection.

731
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: The receivers across the board don't want to block anybody.

732
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: Is that because they're millionaires, you know, I mean they're

733
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 2: eighteen year old millionaires.

734
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 3: And just I think and also I think the teams

735
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: because they're getting paid them, right, Yeah, the teams are

736
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 3: treating him as such because they're like.

737
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 2: I think times are changing.

738
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 3: We gave you all that money, we want we want

739
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,959
Speaker 3: you on the field making plays for us, doing doing

740
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 3: the grime work. And I think that's what something and

741
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 3: you know, just to kind of turn this back towards

742
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 3: as U. But that's kind of what's refreshing with seeing

743
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 3: Hines as the wide receivers.

744
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 2: Coach at ashn Is, I've gone to a couple of

745
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: their pree some of the blockers, they stand out even more, right.

746
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 3: And he has all of the like the reason why

747
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 3: Cam Scattaboo got the yards that he did downfield. If

748
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 3: you watch the TAVI his receivers, you know, Zay Guillory,

749
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 3: Jordan Tyson, Like if Jordan Tyson didn't doesn't get injured,

750
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 3: he's probably one of our.

751
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: Top receivers coming into the draft this year, okay.

752
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 3: Because he is a block receiver and people, you know,

753
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 3: you don't see that, but when you watch this film,

754
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 3: you're like, holy crap, and he's going back for another year.

755
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 3: God bless him. But you're right. I mean when you

756
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 3: see like a Ted McMillan, right, you know, you see

757
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: Luther Bird, he doesn't block it because he was their

758
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 3: entire offense exactly. Yeah, he was their entire It was like, well,

759
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 3: Brady Cook, you know noodle arm is a noodle Luther.

760
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 3: We need you to go take take them now screens

761
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 3: because anything past five yards, our quarterback can't throw it

762
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 3: to you. So, you know, but I think, like you said,

763
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 3: when you put millions in place, yeah, you change the

764
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 3: way that you're looking at these guys, and you need

765
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 3: them to be the hit makers.

766
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: Right, protecting backs and blocking receivers and yeah, and my

767
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: guess is blocking tight ends are gonna be harder to

768
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: come by to, you know.

769
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you know now, I will say this,

770
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 3: Tyler Warren is one of those exceptions that kid. I

771
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 3: had him in the Fiesta Bowl Man and outside of

772
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 3: outside of what he did catching the football and making

773
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 3: boys he look bad, his blocking was was exceptional and

774
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 3: I think yeah, and he and he enjoys that aspect

775
00:35:59,320 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 3: of it.

776
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 2: So, like you said, it's going to be rare. And

777
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: that's why those guys are probably.

778
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 3: Gonna go a lot earlier then we anticipate, because you're

779
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 3: not going to see it as we get as we.

780
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 2: Progress further down the Nil Transfer Portal Highway. I'm blaming Nil,

781
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: but I don't know that's the reason. But I think,

782
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: but it's a very logical because the more compensations you get,

783
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: the more status you think you have, so the less

784
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: you're gonna be willing to do. And frankly, the coach

785
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,959
Speaker 2: has less power. He's not going to put Luther Burden

786
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: on the bench. Are not going to allow that, right exactly,

787
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: it's a different world.

788
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: So we were talking earlier and before we get to

789
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: a break here regarding some of the character stuff in

790
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: that you hear people the word character gets thrown a

791
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: lot around a lot this time of year. And one

792
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: of the things that drives me nuts is when people

793
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 1: talk about character but they don't have any specifics.

794
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: And there's some character stuff. He's got character stuff. Okay,

795
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: what is it?

796
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, but somebody this guy's I've heard

797
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: so I've heard rumblings about character. Luther Burden's one that

798
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: I've heard character stuff about. Uh, character stuff about, But

799
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: nobody's willing to go on the record set.

800
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 2: What's this character stuff? What is it? Yeah? And there's

801
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: no incidents, you can't find anything, you know. Right.

802
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: What people need to realize about this, and you brought

803
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: this up when we were talking earlier about it, is

804
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: that this is the time of year where you know

805
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: there's so and such agent or such and such you're trying.

806
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: To maybe prop your guy up a little bit more.

807
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: It's lying season. It's lying. There's stuffite. They're not all angels.

808
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: But if I if I do a Google search and

809
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: I and there's no I've been doing this for.

810
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 2: A long time.

811
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: I know how to google different or look into different

812
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: things in a guy's past. And if I can't find

813
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: anything on there without getting into the Nexus search or

814
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: the you.

815
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: Know, exactly full FBI background, Yeah.

816
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: Then it's probably the stuff that you're talking about with

817
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: the character. I'm sorry, it's probably not all that yeah,

818
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: big of a deal.

819
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 3: And we and we talked about this and I said,

820
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 3: you know, you can have stuff with your teammates, right,

821
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just the nature of this game.

822
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: And Michael Parsons punched one of his Penn State teammates

823
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: in the face.

824
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: That was documented.

825
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was documented that he did that, and there

826
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 3: were people present, and I think, you know, people blow

827
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 3: it out of proportion. I mean, hell, I can't even

828
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 3: tell you the amount of fights that you've gotten in

829
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 3: especially my freshman year of college with other players, like

830
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 3: his rookie year.

831
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 2: Can't everybody on the day every day.

832
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 3: It was a fight with Camp and it was like

833
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 3: it was just like he just went down the line,

834
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 3: and it's just like really.

835
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 2: Can't like, like, and I'll take his character on my

836
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: team anytime.

837
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: Nine years in the league, Like, I really don't care.

838
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 3: I don't want to fight you right now, you know.

839
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 3: But he he wanted to fight everybody. Now, Willy Willy

840
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 3: was willing to participant every single time. I was like,

841
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 3: I was like, this is the easiest thing. I'm like, like, Will, he's.

842
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: Like a dormble. He just pushed the button. He's he's

843
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 2: ready to fight.

844
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 3: I mean, but you know, those things, those are things

845
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 3: are supposed to happen, right because they also.

846
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 2: Build team unity.

847
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it also shows you, to a man, what

848
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 3: I'm made of. So when somebody complains that, oh he

849
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 3: got into it, I'm like, that's your character issue. It's

850
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 3: like I want that character issue sixty seven snaps every Sunday.

851
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 3: If that's what you're going on.

852
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 2: I'd rather say WHOA than sick, you know exactly.

853
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 3: Because I know that, Hey, listen you, because there's some

854
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 3: things you can't manufacture. And that heart and that desire

855
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 3: and that willingness and the aggression, the aggression. I want that.

856
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 3: I want that on my team. And I think that's

857
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 3: where you don't shy away from it. Like you said,

858
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 3: Now if you do an nexus search, or you do

859
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 3: it so and it's something that's social, domestic or in

860
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 3: those type of categories.

861
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 2: Okay, now we got how we got, Now we got.

862
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: Now we got an issue that's interventionable. I don't I

863
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: don't want to hear you're above the team and I

864
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 2: don't want you in the room. Or you're not willing

865
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 2: to block for your buddies or do the dirty work,

866
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: or you're not a hard worker. I mean there's some

867
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: some of those two. Not all these guys are angels

868
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: and nothing and nothing wrong with that. It's just, hey,

869
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: I don't think you are fit for this squad.

870
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, because you have to be flexible

871
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 3: and versatile in your character as far as what you're

872
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 3: asked to do and what you desire to do.

873
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: One of the things that Matt and I talked about

874
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: last week with a guy like, for example, on Nolan,

875
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: who has.

876
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: Transferred from one school to another, and it seems everyone

877
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 2: goes a and m can't get sacks or do anything.

878
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 6: And if I go to if I go to some

879
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 6: of your ex girlfriends and say, what, what's Max Stark's like,

880
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 6: they may not say nice things about you.

881
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: You had a breakup exactly, you know, So you know

882
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: there's some of that that goes on too.

883
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's that and probably you know if you're

884
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 2: doing there, well, hey he was here before.

885
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 3: Oh he was just a bad egg, you know, and

886
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: that could be your character issue.

887
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 2: Coach didn't like.

888
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 3: Him, that's why he let him walk. Well, sometimes I

889
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 3: hate to tell you this. Coaches don't have control over

890
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 3: that anymore.

891
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 2: No.

892
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 3: You know, some guys you can, you know, you kind

893
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 3: of push out, and other guys you can't keep getting

894
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 3: recruited out.

895
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they get recruited out. So and let's face it,

896
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 2: you leave Texas A and M and you produce more.

897
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: You go to.

898
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 3: Texas A and M and your production falls off. That's

899
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 3: the I think there's a trend, right, Yeah, there's a trend.

900
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: Pleasure on.

901
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: Let's get to a break that he is Max Starks

902
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 1: stepping in here with us on the drive with Matt

903
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: Williamson and myself Dale Lolly.

904
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: We're gonna get tough a break.

905
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: We are live here at the NFL meetings here in

906
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 1: West Palm Beach at the breakers.

907
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: What a beautiful place.

908
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: Yan for We'll be back with more right here on

909
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: the drive right after this.

910
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 4: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

911
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 4: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

912
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 4: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

913
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: Man, Welcome back.

914
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: I am Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson and Max Starks.

915
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: We're all of course of the Steelers Audio Network, and

916
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: this is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio, a little

917
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: Sunday edition, a little special show here from the owners

918
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: meetings here in West Palm Beach. And uh one of

919
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: the guys flew into uh. Fort Lauderdale was staying at

920
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 1: a at a hotel and he just punched the hotel

921
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: name into his phone.

922
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, ended up in Miami.

923
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: Really apparently was unaware that there were multiple A airports

924
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: and B which direction everything is in Florida, Like Miami's

925
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: at the tip of Florida. Fort Lauderdale is north of that.

926
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: West Palm Beach is north of that. I got so

927
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: that's how this works.

928
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 2: And uh, he one of your media buddies in there.

929
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he drove to uh, he drove to the

930
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: hotel that where he I think it was a La

931
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: Quinta or something. In Miami instead of going to the

932
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: one in West Palm Beach. It's a little bit of

933
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: a difference. It's a rookie mistake. That's only that's only

934
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 1: fifty different, right, right, minor mistake.

935
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 2: Especially if he flew into No, he flew into Lauderdale. Oh,

936
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: so he decided to go south, apparently.

937
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: Directionally challenged, did not look at the map figure this whole.

938
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: Thing out, like, Oh, Westbalm Beach is north of Fort Lauderdale.

939
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh or what's her name that he was

940
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 3: following when he left the rental car f.

941
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 2: Speaking of Florida. I been mean to ask you. We

942
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: talked about this the other day. Go Gator's great victory

943
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: lesson exactly. Yes, the nose tackle? Yeah? Oh? Can he

944
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 2: can he be? Can he play a snap? Will he

945
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: play a snap in the league? Hey, I'm rooting for him.

946
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 2: I hope he's a great kid. I'm just saying, nap,

947
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, he'll be in the camp.

948
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 2: He'll be in the camp. Okay, but for those who't know,

949
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: this is the four hundred and fifty pounds sixty four

950
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: pounds short him anyway here? Yeah, let's he worked hard

951
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 2: to get there. Yeah, he because he.

952
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 3: Came in at three seventy five that he's added, right, Yeah,

953
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 3: he added.

954
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: Almost one hundred pound.

955
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 3: I'm like with the nutritional program that is at Florida, right,

956
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 3: and then you can sweat a little if you just

957
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 3: step outside, just sit outside it like a right, I'm

958
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 3: sweating right now. I'm just trying to keep myself together.

959
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: Wearing this all black and from Florida. I'm like, dude,

960
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 3: when I saw that. Now, now, granted, also watching him run,

961
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 3: his time that he did was super impressive for his size.

962
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: He could jump, and I mean he's obviously an athlete.

963
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 3: He's athletic, but once again, like play three snaps in

964
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 3: a row though again can't Okay, now, he did it

965
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 3: Florida because we had nobody else, right, he could sit

966
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 3: in the middle.

967
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: He also wasn't NFL offensive line. No, he wasn't. And

968
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 2: and he was just too gapping. He was. He was

969
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 2: not like he was blowing up field. You know, he

970
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: wasn't pulling the Keano bit and like slicing through the

971
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 2: B gap. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, he's holding

972
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: the dude up. But I think he he.

973
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 3: Goes to a camp because it's intriguing, and I think

974
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 3: if you can won't get drafted. No, he won't get

975
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 3: Now he'll be undrafted free agent. And I think, you know,

976
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 3: he may sit on a peace squad for a year

977
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 3: see if they can see if they give him to

978
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 3: lose weight, because I think you know, he's.

979
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: My designated push push push killer. Oh absolutely, but that's

980
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: the only role I got.

981
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 3: And you know what I'm doing at the snap, I'm

982
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 3: just having him get sideways and just fall down.

983
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like you know what I'm saying, like a

984
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 2: red exactly, just.

985
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 3: Just log him out. But I think, you know, but

986
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 3: it was impressive to see that. I just yeah, I

987
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: can't see it, like especially with the way the game

988
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: is now, it's so much faster and guys.

989
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: One hundred pounds least. I'm not sure what.

990
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 3: Three sixty four I think because now that Davis are

991
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 3: you know, yeah big that some of these thirty something

992
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 3: nose tackles are well and Makai Beck, but they have problems,

993
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 3: right yeah, I mean but they but they have problems

994
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 3: with snaps.

995
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably how do you get them on the field.

996
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: As soon as he gets on the field or going

997
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: to go hurry up.

998
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 3: Or Philly's just gonna draft him and just you know,

999
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 3: Philly's gonna take him in free agency and just sit

1000
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:29,439
Speaker 3: him behind.

1001
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: You know.

1002
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, hey, let's just stockpile talent. Hey, we

1003
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 3: don't need you to play significant amounts. If we eventually

1004
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 3: we can get you there in two years, we'll do that.

1005
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had to ask you about them. I mean

1006
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 2: it's so unique. I mean, I'm rooting for him, but

1007
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:41,720
Speaker 2: I just can't imagine.

1008
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I it just now my years, like two

1009
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: thousand and four, early two thousands. Yeah, he's Aaron Gilbert, right,

1010
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, you can go bring him in like, hey,

1011
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 3: we'll throw him in Ted Washington, right, another bus exam

1012
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: at those guys live because they were because we were.

1013
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: Big pound guys.

1014
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're listed at three twenty five and oh he's

1015
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 1: three twenty five.

1016
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 2: No, he's like three eight. Oh he's three and even

1017
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: tangle with or you know exactly.

1018
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 3: He's gonna go fight with with the from the Dallas Cowboys,

1019
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 3: Larry Allen. Larry Allen, Right, go get those type of guys.

1020
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 3: But but yeah, now today's NFL No.

1021
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 2: Four hundred.

1022
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: Some of the I mean he did thirty seven bench reps.

1023
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: He jumped twenty five inches, which is four hundred and

1024
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: sixty four pounds.

1025
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 3: Get that against of earth, right, I don't know if

1026
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 3: he or he just pushed the earth.

1027
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say.

1028
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: I found a little tremor in the force that day. Yeah,

1029
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: like the earth got what was that a moon around?

1030
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: Any wore a single digital numbers gravitations for it's slimming,

1031
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: Yeah it was not.

1032
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: I was like, that's a lot of blue. Okay, I

1033
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 2: think we agree on him though. I had to run

1034
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 2: by in Yeah, yeah, no, I don't see that now.

1035
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 2: Cameron Jackson the other Yeah, well that that that guy's

1036
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: gonna get dressed. He's gonna get drafted. He can't get drafted, Yeah, can't, can't.

1037
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 2: Cam's a good way. And he's athletic, I mean, and

1038
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 2: that's the thing.

1039
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And I think you know for a lot

1040
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 3: of like like he's built in the mold, like Jonathan Bullard,

1041
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 3: you know that came out years ago and you know

1042
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 3: he's now. He's not the Dante Fowl or Cox Junior

1043
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 3: any of those. Like he is a solid, physical, technically

1044
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 3: sound defensive lineman, which I think fits here and for

1045
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 3: the scheme of responsibility that you're asking him, not having

1046
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 3: him come in and say you need to start right

1047
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 3: now and you've got to be the main guy. He'll

1048
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: ease into that, but I think he'll be a great

1049
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: complimentary piece.

1050
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: One of the things that Mike Tomland mentioned when he

1051
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: spoke with the with the local media, he was asked

1052
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: about kean U Benton in the nose tackle position, and

1053
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: he mentioned that, hey, it's it's it's nice that he

1054
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: has the ability to be able to play multiple spots,

1055
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: because if you're just a nose tackle in today's game, there's.

1056
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: Not a lot there for you.

1057
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you look at a guy like Kenneth Grant

1058
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: as being somebody who can do more than play just

1059
00:47:59,239 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: nose tackle.

1060
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 2: I do.

1061
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 3: I see that he can move, and I think how

1062
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 3: we view it as a nose tackle like has to evolve, right.

1063
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 2: Just since Hampton Steed, you know, I'm.

1064
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 3: Thinking run game, run stuffer like, you can still be

1065
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 3: a nose and blow up field. Harve Hargraves is a

1066
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 3: prime example that to it was another one that you

1067
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 3: shift down to a four man line. He can play

1068
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 3: nose right. So I think when.

1069
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: You think it was a four man front more often

1070
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: than not. It's not exclusive, but yeah, yeah, I get it.

1071
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 3: I know, hey, Dick Lebo, you know those footprints all

1072
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 3: over this team and traditional three four to two gappers.

1073
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 2: That day is gone.

1074
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 3: And I think when we say nose tackle, nose tackle

1075
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 3: means run game. I think having a one technique who

1076
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 3: can blow up field is what we're what we're looking at. Now,

1077
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 3: that's that's the era we're in. It just happens to

1078
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 3: be on the card. It hasn't been updated. That nose tackle.

1079
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 3: It just means interior defensive.

1080
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: Because there are guys throughout the When were we do

1081
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: our mock drafts and things of that nature.

1082
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so when.

1083
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: We when we do we take a Kenneth Grant in

1084
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: the first round and you're like, okay, do we take

1085
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: another nose a guy who is just a nose later?

1086
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 2: Or is Grant killed two birds with one stone? Can

1087
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 2: he play?

1088
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: Can he be that that second guy next to Cam

1089
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: Heyward or next to Kanu Benton.

1090
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: He can kill kind of two birds with one Yeah,

1091
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 2: he could kill too, but you would love to get

1092
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 2: more out of him.

1093
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think, and I think you know where

1094
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 3: now there's a you know, Larry Ogan Jobie not there.

1095
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 3: You know, you don't have that title necessarily fit right there.

1096
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 3: I think that's where now you want to slide him there,

1097
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 3: And I think a grant a Harmon Nolan along those

1098
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 3: lines are guys that fill that and maybe if you do,

1099
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 3: say third fourth round, say Joshua Farmer falls right right now.

1100
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 3: I look at Joshua Farmer and Day three like, yeah,

1101
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 3: I like that guy, good grade, and he fits the

1102
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 3: nose category for me.

1103
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 2: And there's a bunch of them, and.

1104
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 3: There's a bunch of those guys and like I said,

1105
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 3: you know, I just feel like there's going to be

1106
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 3: a surplus in that Day three.

1107
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 2: I know we don't have that Day two.

1108
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 3: Uh, you know second round pick that we you know,

1109
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 3: which we salivated over at Gombine absolutely what we could

1110
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 3: go get right. Sure, Oh the places will go Doctor

1111
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 3: Seuss style about.

1112
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 2: But I think Day K Metcalf was a was a

1113
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 2: pretty good yeah that works, ok. Yeah, And so I

1114
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: think the same thing's gonna happen.

1115
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 3: You see guys fall who have those higher grades that

1116
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 3: were supposed to be third rounders, late second round grades

1117
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 3: that are now sitting there in Day three and you know,

1118
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 3: he's like, hey, might need to move up and go

1119
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 3: get this type of guy, or if he falls to me,

1120
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 3: we're sitting in a good position. I feel like offensive

1121
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 3: line and defensive line are two of those that's going

1122
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 3: to be the benefactors, because I feel like Day two

1123
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 3: is going to be a lot of skill guys, you know,

1124
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 3: backfield and outside of the wide receiver position, they're gonna

1125
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 3: they're gonna get scooped up early and that's going to

1126
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 3: push a lot.

1127
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: Of a lot of linemen back. This is probably a

1128
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 2: bigger com I know it's a bigger conversation than we

1129
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 2: have time for in the segment, but you mention and

1130
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: coach Lebo and so many long term Steeler fans just

1131
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 2: see Dereck Henry running all over him in the last

1132
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 2: game and just be like, well, you gotta get Hampton

1133
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 2: in their two gap, and I'm like, there's other ways

1134
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 2: to stop the run. And that's just not how the

1135
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 2: league works now, because it's.

1136
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 3: Called not letting your outside linebackers just key in on

1137
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 3: one guy and forget about the other options.

1138
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 2: It was just saying put the biggest guy you possibly

1139
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 2: can over the center. That's not necessarily going to fix

1140
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 2: the problem, right.

1141
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 3: And if you look at if you go back and

1142
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 3: watch that game, which I challenge people go back and

1143
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 3: watch that game. I mean they had some run keys

1144
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 3: that they did not they blatantly just missed. I can't

1145
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 3: tell you how many times I saw Alice high Smith

1146
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 3: not not run for contain but run directly at Derek Hamy,

1147
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 3: which allowed they did Mark Jackson.

1148
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: They did exactly what they hadn't done. They zigged when

1149
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 2: they and yeah, and that's not.

1150
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: Because they had always keyed on They've always keyed on Lamar, Yeah, always,

1151
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: and they and this time they keyed on on Henry

1152
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: and Lamar, who's right quarterback, saw that they were king

1153
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: on Henry and said okay, I'm gonna keep it and

1154
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: run around.

1155
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 2: The end and made a lot of yardage. Yeah. And

1156
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 2: by the time to play against.

1157
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 3: Mister conundrum that it's like I can't I can't commit

1158
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 3: too many resources and you're like two.

1159
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 2: Of the most unique players at their position in the

1160
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 2: last twenty years, and they.

1161
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 3: Were so scared about one or the other beating you.

1162
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 3: And it's like, if you just play it true, yeah,

1163
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 3: you would have been fine. And I think they kind

1164
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 3: of overthought themselves.

1165
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: I think they tried to zig when they figured, well

1166
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: that the Ravens know how we're gonna defend this, and

1167
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this instead and we're gonna surprise them.

1168
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 2: It bit him in the butt. Yeah. Anyways, let's get

1169
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 2: to another break.

1170
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for Hour number one, our first

1171
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: hour here of the this special edition of The Drive

1172
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: here live from the Breaker's Hotel here in West Palm

1173
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: Beach where the league meetings are going on. He's Max Starks.

1174
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: That is Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lally. We'll be back

1175
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: with our number two right after this