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Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode candaate spoilers for episode six, The Morrow

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Speaker 1: of a Night of the Seven Kingdoms, we warn't. Hello.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosie Night and

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Speaker 1: welcome back to x ray Vision of the podcast where

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Speaker 1: we dived for your favorite shows, movies, comics of pop culture,

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Speaker 1: company from my Heart, where we're bringing you three episodes

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Speaker 1: week plus news plus news.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, I am.

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Speaker 3: Sad that we've reached it, because I do not want

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Speaker 3: this to be the last time we talk about this

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Speaker 3: lovely show.

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Speaker 2: But it is our final episode of.

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Speaker 1: Ravens Report for now.

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Speaker 3: About a Night of the Seven Kingdom's finale, the Morrow,

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Speaker 3: we are going to be exploring the theme of disillusionment,

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Speaker 3: of making it to the end of where you thought

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Speaker 3: your journey would finish and realizing there is so much

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Speaker 3: further to go. We are also going to be joined

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Speaker 3: by more credible Game of Thrones experts, this time David Neil,

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Speaker 3: hosts of a Storm of Spoilers. We love them, and

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Speaker 3: they join us for a absolutely delightful full spoiler book

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Speaker 3: spoiler conbo. We will warn you again, and that will

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Speaker 3: be dropping after mine and Jason's discussion of this incredible

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Speaker 3: finale and honestly, this unbelievable season of television.

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Speaker 2: Here is a production note.

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Speaker 3: Guys, I know that you are excited for the upcoming

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Speaker 3: Marvel movie Avengers Doomsday. So this week we are going

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Speaker 3: to begin our preview coverage leading up to the release

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Speaker 3: of that movie in December.

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Speaker 2: With Impending Doomsday.

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Speaker 3: Each month we will take a look at a character

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Speaker 3: or team as we get ready for the big movie.

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Speaker 3: And trust me, there's gonna be a very different version

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Speaker 3: of xtra Vision and you're gonna find it delightful.

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Speaker 1: Let's jump into the theme of the season finale. Even

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Speaker 1: I did the Seven Kingdoms Themorrow, and the theme is,

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Speaker 1: as Rosie mentioned, dissillusion men. I think this is a

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Speaker 1: episode in which John is victorious. Multiple people basically hand

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Speaker 1: on a silver platter to him everything he could have

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Speaker 1: literally all the things that he would be offered at

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Speaker 2: This, he would have been cousel.

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Speaker 1: None of it, None of it feels good to him anymore.

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Speaker 1: And that's because of the price. And the price was

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Speaker 1: the death of Crown Prince Baylor. The the realm in

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Speaker 1: maybe not turmoil, but shaken, surely shaken to its foundations.

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Speaker 1: And also and who is not who's not affected by this?

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Speaker 1: The feeling that people are mad at you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's literally what I think Dunk's biggest pain here

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Speaker 3: is like he's like, shit, I've been canceled.

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Speaker 2: I've been Western ros canceled.

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Speaker 1: Baylor mad at me.

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Speaker 2: He's like, everyone hates me, and it's it's you know.

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Speaker 2: And the saddest thing is that, really, as.

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Speaker 3: We learn quite quickly, another great you know kind of

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Speaker 3: again about Dunk's own perception is actually the small folk,

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Speaker 3: Baylor as this great man, this person who only died

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Speaker 3: Baylor's own accountability in it. But luckily he has other

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Speaker 3: that actually, even though Baylor was liked, as soon as

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Speaker 1: So let's start with the opening scene. Dunk and Lyel

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Speaker 1: You'll live at Storm's end. You will train, you know,

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Speaker 3: You're literally the Master just said you're gonna die like

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Speaker 3: Like Rian was knocked off his horse instantly and you

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Speaker 1: But now he's seeing also that the ruling class is

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Speaker 3: Blows my mind that this incredibly, you know, cozy, funny,

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Speaker 2: Even though this is.

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Speaker 3: It feels crazy that we're still as the small folk,

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Speaker 1: Dunk, I guess as a glutton for punishment, goes to

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Speaker 1: That is crazy if if that was reported to, you know,

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Speaker 3: But I like, again, I think something else that this

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Speaker 3: I mean, the laughing Storm is truly a chaos agent.

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Speaker 3: I think Dunk made the right choice, as fun as

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Speaker 2: Him just kind of being like, well, Aaron can go

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Speaker 3: Because Dunk's realizing that actually the life that he had

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Speaker 1: And he cut his wrist. And we all know that

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Speaker 3: You're risking your life for what I guess for money.

436
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 3: It's kind of like being a cell sword, but you

437
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 3: also have honor. And the truth is that while Sir

438
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 3: Arland fought for all these people, you know, broke seven

439
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 3: or four lances against a black fire, depending on who

440
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 3: you believe, and he still just ended up dying because

441
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 3: he rolled on his knife and got poop in it.

442
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,640
Speaker 3: You know, I kind of love that's.

443
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: So, you know, Duncan's look is thinking back on this

444
00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 1: and really is thinking about it as as better than

445
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: the way things are now, despite the fact that he

446
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: has two major offers on his plate today.

447
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 2: And he's like deeply injured. Yeah, but he is walking

448
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: around like a dead man walkan.

449
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: And he's thinking about it and he asks Sir Arlyn

450
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: in this memory, Uh, why didn't you ever knighte me?

451
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: Were you afraid that I'd leave you where you've you

452
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 1: know I wouldn't leave you, And Sir Arlyn, ever the jokester,

453
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: pretends that he has died.

454
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 3: Dude, and they play it for so long that you really,

455
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 3: I mean, you'll hear this in our conversation with Neil

456
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 3: and Dave, but like all of us were like, wait,

457
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 3: are they giving us a definitive answer that he didn't

458
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 3: knight him?

459
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 2: That seems kind of crazy.

460
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 3: And then just when you think they've committed, he pops

461
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 3: back up and says that great line where he says

462
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 3: a night always finishes his story. And I think, like

463
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 3: that is so important to Dunk deciding to continue on

464
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 3: and try and reframe what he could potentially bring to

465
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 3: Egg's life.

466
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: Well, I think, what, you know, I've been thinking about

467
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: that line because it feels it's one of those lines

468
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: that feels important and then you try and scratch at

469
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,959
Speaker 1: it and understand what it means. And they're like, what

470
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 1: the fuck does it mean? Did start Arlent finish his story?

471
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 1: No one would say that he's not a true Night

472
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 1: or yeah, I mean the end comes where it comes,

473
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: and I don't think you can really write it out

474
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: in the same way as an author. But what I

475
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: think Dunk takes it as meaning, yeah, is that where

476
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: you started your story, the same feelings that you had

477
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: when you started out about what is good and what

478
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: is bad, and what is light and what is dark

479
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: and what it means to take the vow. Keep that

480
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 1: as the through line to your story, and it'll end

481
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: where it is. And I think that's what Dunk took

482
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: from it was that I've always believed that a knight

483
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: should protect the innocent and should not be influenced by

484
00:25:54,880 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 1: money and power and princes and kings in the execution

485
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: of that vow. And I think that's what Dunk thinks

486
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: of it. I love his story as like I am

487
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: a heroic Knight and I'm going to continue to be

488
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: that despite the fact that I've been, you know, in

489
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: this reading, tempted by these corrupting, potentially offers of riches

490
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 1: and ease.

491
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 3: Because also Jason that ties so deeply into step On's

492
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 3: betrayal and this notion of like what Raymond says to him,

493
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,479
Speaker 3: like you would sell your honor for a lordship and

494
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 3: he's like, well, they've sold that honor, you know, people

495
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 3: have sold that on her for a lot less. And

496
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 3: I kind of love this reading that Dunk is like, actually,

497
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 3: the disillusionment, those feelings that I have about these people,

498
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,239
Speaker 3: the reasons that I don't want to go that is

499
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 3: true to my story of being a Knight, whether that

500
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 3: is being a Hedge Night, whether it's you know, ending

501
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 3: up as a massively successful Knight who's richer than Alana

502
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 3: Stir in whatever way you want to read that. I

503
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 3: just love that read, and I think you're totally right.

504
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 3: It's actually about Dunk taking ownership and agency and saying, hey,

505
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 3: even with all of this disillusionment with everything that I've

506
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 3: learned here, I still want to do the same thing,

507
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 3: and I still want to be a good person. And

508
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 3: I think that is honestly the heart of what has

509
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 3: made this show so so popular and has had the

510
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 3: kind of growing viewership weekly, which is very rare, you know,

511
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 3: for a show to have. I just think we need

512
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 3: people who want to be good, and I think you're

513
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 3: so right, Dunk sees this as he must continue doing

514
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 3: what he wants in the face of all these things

515
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 3: that would make him stray from that.

516
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he goes to the Beesbury Wake, the wonderful be

517
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: covered coffin.

518
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 2: And I'm putting that share my will. It's beautifulucking cool.

519
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: And Daryn is there, despite the fact that Dunk doesn't

520
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: think he should be there and he should be too

521
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: ashamed to show his face and just.

522
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 3: Say likes to chill out with the shit. I think

523
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 3: we're putting too much on Darren well, like, like, let's

524
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 3: just give it a break, Like we know this guy's

525
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 3: going through it. He tried to give you the warning

526
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 3: about the prophecy, like he's doing his best.

527
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 1: I also feel like just because you're ashamed of yourself

528
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that everybody needs to be in the same

529
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: way as.

530
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 2: He, exactly exactly.

531
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 3: I'm also like, you think Darren's lies haven't gotten people

532
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 3: in more trouble. He's probably just happy you're still alive,

533
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 3: Like that's probably a win for him.

534
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: It is ironic, I think, and a wonderful closed loop

535
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: that it is ultimately Darren who shakes Dunk out of

536
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: this dark pit of depression and disillusionment and allows him

537
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: to see that he can connect his ideals about what

538
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: it means to be a good night with action. He

539
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: can help Eggon be better, not follow in the path

540
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: of these rich, spoiled, ocasionally mad, murderous Targarians. But he

541
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: can share this ideal with him. And it's a wonderful scene,

542
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: you know that. And it's told in this almost like

543
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: a parable when he says, you know, like you know

544
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: Arian was it was like Dunk in a lot of ways.

545
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: You know, he was a nice little boy. He loved fishing,

546
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: he loved all stuff that the little boys like. And

547
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: it was only later, oh, that all of the trappings

548
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: of wealth and probably the genetic predisposition towards targary man

549
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: has got to him.

550
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 2: And let's be just like bad parenting, Like there's no.

551
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 3: Good that we love even you know me, I'm an

552
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 3: Allison apologist terrible parents, like not good parent thing.

553
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: So like I also kind of I love this moment.

554
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 3: This was really just made me cry because I am

555
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 3: very pro kids, and I just I thought it was

556
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 3: such a hot, felt sad thing to kind of acknowledge

557
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 3: that at some point, probably all Targarians were actually like

558
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 3: just little kids trying to do their best. And it's

559
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 3: when Daryn says to him, Oh, don't worry, I'm sure

560
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 3: we'll make a man out of him too, And I

561
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 3: think Dunk has that realization. And I also think they've

562
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 3: done a really good job of implying the horrors of

563
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 3: being in a Targarian family, whether it is Egg's story

564
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 3: about what Arian used to do to him, which also

565
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 3: implies a lot of like sexual abuse, and there's a

566
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: lot of really heartbreaking things, but then it's all implied

567
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 3: until we get that incredible next scene where we see

568
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 3: what it is actually like for Egg when he's not

569
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 3: with Dunk, and it's just so fucking lonely and depressing.

570
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: Yes, so Egg, who again has you know, you take

571
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: the bitter with the sweet. But one could argue potentially

572
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: that the suite is pretty it's pretty good Arian's going

573
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: to be sent to but that's not enough for Egg

574
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: and perhaps blaming him for taking Dunk in this opportunity

575
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: out of his life, for twisting it because I think

576
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: of your Egg, you're thinking, you know, before Arian got evolved,

577
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: it was pretty good.

578
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the mummas.

579
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: The mummers were wonderful I was with Dunk. We were

580
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: eating fish like and I was being a squire and

581
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: it was wonderful and there was no real issues until

582
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: Arian showed up and deciding that Arian's exile essentially is

583
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: not enough, decides I'm going to become a cold blood

584
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: and fucking murder. I'm gonna Yeah.

585
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: He's just like, fuck it, get this bitch out.

586
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. And you get this wonderful scene

587
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: that I think is you know, everything, everything you've kind

588
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: of understood about macar leads you to believe that he's

589
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: going to be and he just caught his son trying

590
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: to murder his other son. Yeah, and instead of you know,

591
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: yelling at him, he just hugs it as egg On

592
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: drops the drops the knife and it's a beautiful moment.

593
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: At the same time, to your point to zoom out

594
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: for a second, yes, let's be si is a good

595
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: parenting to not even say anything.

596
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 3: As there's like an acknowledgement in the hug that make

597
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 3: our nose Arian is evil.

598
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 2: So this is kind of an okay thing for egg

599
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: to do.

600
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: Again, questionable parenting, it's right, and it's a hug of hey,

601
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it.

602
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: I get it.

603
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: Sucks, but you know, don't do it, like, don't be

604
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 3: a kinslayer, but Egg really is about to just be kinslaying,

605
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 3: like no question.

606
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: He's just like, that's how bad my life is.

607
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 3: And I think that is really just a powerful statement.

608
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: And I love that.

609
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: You know, the version of Egg that we see here

610
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 3: is so different to what we've seen when Egg is

611
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 3: allowed to be a squire, to be himself, to help

612
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 3: Doug Dunk, to just not be living under the Targarian

613
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 3: thrall is so different and in this moment there's just

614
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 3: so much hurt and pain. And also, you know, if

615
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 3: we know about spoilers, this also makes sense when we

616
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 3: see this side of Egg now as to where we

617
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 3: might find him at the end of the story, depending

618
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 3: on where George goes. So I just yeah, I just

619
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 3: found it such a powerful, powerful moment. But again, yeah,

620
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 3: make our get a nanny, babe, Dunk.

621
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: I think because Darren finally shakes his something of his

622
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: disillusionment off and manages to go back to make our

623
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: and deliver his acceptance with certain terms.

624
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 3: Dunk's like too rude, brov like he I love it,

625
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,719
Speaker 3: but he does not have the stated reverence and respect

626
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 3: that you're supposed to have for these princes at this

627
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 3: point and it's great.

628
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: And he basically says, like, listen, I'll take him on.

629
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: I think it's a good idea. But he's got to

630
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: live with me the way I live as a hedge night.

631
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: He's got to do hedge night things the way I learned.

632
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: And that's how I learned to humiliate and learn to

633
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: be a good night. And that's the reason why we

634
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: are all here, because I take that vow seriously and

635
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: if he lives like me, I'm paraphrasing, but this is

636
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 1: what he's getting at, yah, is he will take those

637
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: values to heart as well. He's got to sleep in

638
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: the open. He's got to eat you know, cold cold

639
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: salt beef, hard beef, and you know, take all the

640
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: hardships of a unhoused night. Car is like, your fucking crazy, bro,

641
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? My only son always.

642
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 3: Be eating delicious ram meat all the time. They going

643
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 3: to be protected. They gotta have a King's god. And

644
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 3: Doug's like, so I wanted to meet eight was bloody

645
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 3: and red.

646
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: The writing, Oh it was so good.

647
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: And then we know how it ends with egg On

648
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: sneaking away and and and joining Dunk. But I want

649
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: to point out the end of this book, which I

650
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: know I gotta say. I went back and read it,

651
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: and I have never reading the end of the Hedge night.

652
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: I never felt any other way other than Maycar must

653
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: have accepted. So here is how it reads. Darron never

654
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: slept in a ditch, I'll wager, Dunk said, very quietly.

655
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: And all that beef arian ever ate, was thick and

656
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 1: rare and bloody, like as not. Maycar Turger in Prince

657
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: of summer Hall regarded Dunk of flea bottom for a

658
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: long time, his jaw working silently beneath his silvery beard,

659
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: And finally he turned and walked away, never speaking a word.

660
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: Dunk heard him riding off with his men, and when

661
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: they were gone, there was no sound but the faint

662
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: thrumb of the dragonfly's wings as it skimmed across the water.

663
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: The boy came the next day, just as the sun

664
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Speaker 1: was coming up. He wore old boots, brown breeches, a

665
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 1: brown wool tunic, and an old travelers cloak. My lord

666
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 1: father says, I am to serve you. Now. I took

667
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: from that that Maycar was like. Let me think it

668
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: over and then agreed the show has a different question

669
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: mark a view on it. And I've seen some people

670
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: say that, you know, they notice that may Car's ring,

671
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: his signet ring is not on his finger in that

672
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: final scene spoiler It will be important.

673
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 2: To egg in future tales.

674
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: It as a way for him in an emergency to

675
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: basically say, hey, hold on, I'm egg On. Drgarrett, wait

676
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: one second, and the idea being that this is like a.

677
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: Root, potential ruse, potential rules.

678
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: Because may Car is feeling even though he hasn't talked

679
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: to his dad, darn the good King Darren, he has

680
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: a He realizes that this is going to be a

681
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 1: this is a fucking mess. His his the king's heir,

682
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: is dead. The politics of the of the Realm are

683
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: thrown into chaos, and the Aryans getting exiled like lot

684
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: about you has happened. And so Macar, not wanting to

685
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: compound the issue, can't say to King Darren and I

686
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: sent egg On away with some random hedge night just

687
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: to learn he just met three days ago. He instead

688
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: does a much much bigger version of Darron's.

689
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 3: Lie I know, which is kind of I love how

690
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 3: that does well with potentially hypothetic.

691
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it doesn't make it but you know, like

692
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: doesn't make it Dunk's fault, but still lies in the

693
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: same kind of way and says that and and basically

694
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: says that Egg snuck away and would and in this

695
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: reading would sit it would be like any stole my ring.

696
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if I buy that necessarily, but it's

697
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: a very interesting reading. I wonder if you had any thoughts.

698
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 3: On I just I love that you read the end

699
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 3: of the book, because when I read it, I just

700
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 3: assumed that may Co said yes, like agreed, it's just

701
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 3: and I kind of I meant, I'm you know, we.

702
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: Talked about this with David.

703
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 3: Neil, But like, I just love that, just like House

704
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 3: of the Dragon, this is essentially giving us an insight

705
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 3: into these extra moments, these extra contextual teases that we

706
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 3: never got, and I I love the makers in on

707
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 3: it theory. I think that most realistically is probably what

708
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 3: you were talking about in our recap, which is Macar

709
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,479
Speaker 3: didn't really tell Egg he could go, but once Egg

710
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 3: is gone, he kind of realizes, like, h he was

711
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: doing pretty good, Like is it really that much of

712
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 3: an I like.

713
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: Right, there's another there's another reading, which is like he

714
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: leaves his ring out and lets egg sneak away.

715
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 3: Right, that's the other like he he has the acknowledgment

716
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 3: and understanding that Egg will be better off, but he

717
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 3: cannot bring himself to admit that and tell Dunk. And

718
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 3: that is exactly what that gap in the book gives

719
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 3: us and what we're you know, see here as a

720
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 3: bit more of a.

721
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: Fun conflict tease for season two.

722
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: What I love about this reading, even though I am

723
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: somewhat weary of it, just because it feels much more lative,

724
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: much more than I.

725
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: Thought mac as well as a character and a dad

726
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: for sure.

727
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: But I but I do love it. And the thing

728
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: that I love about it is the irony that Dunk

729
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: has just said, like I'm done with princes, and what

730
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: he's done with princes is because of the manipulation, the

731
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: power dynamics, the fact that they're lying through their teeth

732
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: and saying one thing and doing the other. And here's

733
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: Macar just doing it. If this is true, The done

734
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: with Prince's thing is like it's it's tenfold now because

735
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,959
Speaker 1: Macar is lying to the King, is saying that Egg

736
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: snuck off, that Dunk and Egg are together riding through

737
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: the land as basically like escape ease of some sort

738
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: or another, and that all of this is happen without

739
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: make cars leave. And if that is true, if Dunk

740
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: has now been caught in a web of lies that

741
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: stretches all the way up to the King, now that's

742
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: delicious irony and it feels very George R. Martin.

743
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 3: If that's the case, I agree, and I also do

744
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: think that once again, this is a little reminder about

745
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 3: Dunk's clear eyed, heart open kind of perspective on west Rows,

746
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,959
Speaker 3: because I will tell you one thing. If Dunk came

747
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 3: to me, and if Egg came to me and said that,

748
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 3: I would be like, Okay, let's go check with your dad,

749
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 3: Like this kid lied to you before, Bro, and I

750
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 3: love Eggs, so I'm glad he got.

751
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: Away with it.

752
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 3: But if Magard doesn't know an Egg lying, it's also

753
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 3: Dunk dealing with this whole I'm done with Prince's bullshit again.

754
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: And the kid is doing the same thing that he

755
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: did before.

756
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 3: Now we know that before it kind of worked for Egg,

757
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 3: like he got what he wanted out of it, he

758
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 3: got to Squire, so it makes sense that he would

759
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 3: potentially do the same thing. But I'm hoping here that

760
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 3: there's kind of a middle ground version, Like I think

761
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 3: the idea that Makar maybe left out the ring and

762
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, well, if my son wants to go

763
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 3: out and live on his own, he needs to be

764
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 3: brave enough to just make that choice. You know, maybe

765
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 3: there's a way where there was some kind of acknowledgment.

766
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, I cannot wait to see where

767
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 3: season two opens and where we can find these guys.

768
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: I'm delighted for it to come back. We're gonna go

769
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: to a break and we come back. We're going to

770
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: bring on Dave and Neil, the boys from a Storm

771
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: of Spoilers, a wonderful podcast, a nerd everything podcast. It's

772
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: going to be as all of these Raven's Report interviews

773
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: have been, a spoiler chat. So if you don't want

774
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: to get spoiled on stuff that happens in the future

775
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: of this story, think about checking out. Be right back

776
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Speaker 1: after the break. David Neil, thank you so much for

777
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 1: joining us.

778
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 4: Thanks for having us, for having us.

779
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: What a what a fun season. Your thoughts on the

780
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 1: first season of A Night of the Seven Kingdoms Hedge

781
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: Night Edition.

782
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, I am famously on our podcast have not read

783
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 5: any of the George R. Martin texts, So I Neil

784
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 5: is my Jason and gets to like lead me through

785
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 5: this and he successfully, I think, led me into each

786
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 5: one of the traps that the television show set. Yeah,

787
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 5: so like really early on he was like, oh, do

788
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 5: you want to guess who like the champions are? And

789
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 5: I was like, well, it can't be Vlaar because like

790
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 5: the King's guard aren't going to fight like a Targarry

791
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 5: and that was ridiculous, and so just immediately led me

792
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 5: into the trap. I obviously knew like the eggon you know,

793
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 5: identity reveal going into it. But right here at the end,

794
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 5: I'm just incredibly happy that this is a show that

795
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 5: is about two characters trying to find their way to

796
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 5: honor from different sides of the West. Rosie, you know,

797
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 5: dichotomy of being super rich Targary and crazy person and

798
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 5: maybe not a night but a night in his heart

799
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 5: boy from Flea Bottom. And it's so nice for me

800
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 5: as somebody who likes to like think about the different

801
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 5: corners of this show, and it's so nice for I

802
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 5: think Game of Thrones is a property with the incest

803
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 5: dragon war happening later this year, to just have a

804
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 5: show that is genuinely fun to spend time in, and

805
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 5: characters that I could root for without knowing necessarily that

806
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 5: something horrible's gonna happen to him. It is Game of

807
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 5: Thrones in the Songwrice and Fire universe, so poor Baylor

808
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 5: had to get his nut cracked. But I'm very happy

809
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 5: to see where these two characters go just trying to

810
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,479
Speaker 5: be good people, which is such a rare I think

811
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 5: character motivation in this universe, Neil, I mean.

812
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 6: Listen, I appreciate that it gave me ample opportunity to

813
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 6: mess with Dave, but also, you know, as the book reader,

814
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 6: I was impressed with how faithful it was and with

815
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 6: how much room Ira Parker and his writer's room had

816
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 6: to sort of play with the story and deal with

817
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 6: some of the elements and still leave some ambiguity. I

818
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 6: think we saw this in the final episode with whether

819
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 6: or not Dunk was knighted, And you know, I, like Jason,

820
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 6: am a big proponent of yes he was knighted at

821
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 6: some point, and I am give us a firm answer yeah,

822
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 6: And I thought they were gonna give us a firm

823
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 6: answer for a second I was like getting mad, like.

824
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 4: Out, like rising and it was a great fake out.

825
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 6: So like their ability to like play with the lore

826
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 6: a little bit here and there, but still be extremely

827
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 6: faithful to George's story, I think was extremely impressive.

828
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Speaker 1: Speaking of ambiguity and changes, here's here's one that is

829
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: going to interest me. So I think anyone who has

830
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: read The Hedge Night, I think, at least you know,

831
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: from my perspective, I felt no ambiguity whatsoever that make

832
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: our head agreed to the terms that Dunk set. We're

833
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: going to live like shit, We're going to sleep like shit,

834
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna eat trash, we're gonna get diarrhea all the time.

835
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: And that's how we're going to do it because that's

836
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: how I did want him to That's how I did it,

837
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: and he's going to do it that way so he

838
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: doesn't turn out like Arion. The show takes a slightly different,

839
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: well I think potentially very different perspective on it, which

840
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: is that egg sneaks away. Now I think that there's

841
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: enough in the there's like enough of a gap to

842
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: imagine that that happened. Dunk sets his ground rules, make

843
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 1: our says nothing and turns away and then the next

844
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: day Egg shows up. So you can imagine that that

845
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: that what we got in the show is actually a

846
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: reveal your thoughts on that.

847
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 6: I mean, I have a hot theory for you ready,

848
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 6: because I saw somebody on Twitter screenshotted that final scene

849
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 6: and noted that make Car's ring is missing, and this

850
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 6: is an important thing that comes up later in the

851
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 6: third novella where they need make cars ring for story reasons.

852
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 4: And I think it.

853
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 6: Is possible that this is a bit of a ruse

854
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 6: between father and son. Right, Like, there's many possibilities, right one,

855
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 6: Egg didn't tell him, and make Car's not going to

856
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 6: make a big deal about it because he's got plenty

857
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 6: of stuff on his plate. And also in a few

858
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 6: months here, may Car is not gonna be that mad

859
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 6: that eggs not that Egg isn'tdorned because you know, like

860
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 6: Western ROSSI COVID is coming and.

861
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 4: Oh that's actually you know, that's actually a good.

862
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 6: Thing that my son's not here, and then so like,

863
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 6: but I also think it's possible that may Car and

864
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 6: Egg may have concocted this ruse to give him a

865
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 6: little plausible deniability, because think about it, and I've this

866
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 6: is One of the things I've been saying all season,

867
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 6: sort of in our storm spoilery sections on the podcast,

868
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 6: which is that I kind of feel bad for may

869
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 6: Car because think about where he's at right now. He's

870
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 6: got to go back to his father, King Darren the Good,

871
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 6: who you know is King Darren the Good, but I'm

872
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 6: sure is not going to be very King Darren the

873
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 6: Happy about what just happened. And he's got to explain

874
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 6: why the Crown Prince is dead and why you know,

875
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 6: Arian has to go live in the Free Cities, and

876
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 6: why Egg is missing.

877
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 4: So like this gives him a.

878
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 6: Little plausible deniability as to why Egg is missing. He

879
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 6: could be like, well, eggs snook off on his own.

880
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: I don't.

881
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 3: Actually, I actually love that because it really fits. It's

882
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 3: very uh like what dyn what Darren did with Egg,

883
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 3: where he just kind of lied and was like, yeah,

884
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 3: Egg ran away, So it's kind of like father like sons,

885
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 3: sort of like Egg was kidnapped. Like I kind of

886
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 3: love that because I do think it's a good introduction

887
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 3: of potential conflict, but I also worry that with everything

888
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 3: that's going to happen in season two, them having to

889
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 3: hunt down Egg would be like a second like a

890
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 3: new additional plot point.

891
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: So sure, sure, I love this theory and I love

892
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: also the idea that in the Stinger, Macar has discovered

893
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: like a true talent for Mummery have it? Perhaps no

894
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: other chargearan is it? I mean it's very credible. Where

895
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: is my son?

896
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, useful skill for him to have.

897
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 3: I would say this compromise version of the theory as well,

898
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 3: like Little Haircut could be the anger is real because

899
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 3: Egg stole his ring because he didn't want to go alone,

900
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 3: but Maker had said you can go.

901
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 2: So I think there's like I think again.

902
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 3: They're playing in that ambiguity really well, Dave, I really

903
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 3: wanted to know, like we haven't really gotten to speak

904
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 3: to a lot of people who haven't read this specific book,

905
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 3: because it was short enough that a lot of our

906
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 3: discord just jumped in and was like, we want to

907
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 3: do it.

908
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 2: So what was your experience as someone.

909
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 3: Who you know has lived through like you said, the

910
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 3: many Targarian incest dramas and babies being their heads chopped off.

911
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 3: And I'm a big house of the Dragon fan. I

912
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 3: love my Sapphic princesses. I think it's like a fucking

913
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 3: chamber drama masterpiece, but it's incredibly depressing. So coming into this, like,

914
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 3: what was just your experience of this show?

915
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 5: I think with all the adaptations of George's work so far,

916
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 5: I think they've really done a great job of honoring

917
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 5: what I imagine makes the books great, which is you're

918
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 5: able to shift a bunch of different perspectives, and I

919
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 5: think this one, and talking to Neil about The Hedge Night,

920
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 5: which I absolutely have to read after my gimmick of

921
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 5: not reading the.

922
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 2: Season really.

923
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 5: Is it's told primarily from Dunk's perspective. So a lot

924
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 5: of the reveals in the show are, you know, much

925
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 5: like House of the Dragon, which is a history sort

926
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 5: of like what really happened? We get to see and

927
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 5: that sort of changes our perspective on the story. We're

928
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 5: in Martin's Tales. It sounds like you could read in

929
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 5: between the lines, and that's where a lot of the

930
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 5: fun of the world building and the ambiguity of you know,

931
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 5: what Mushroom said happened versus what really happened becomes like

932
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 5: a fun way to play with the universe this season,

933
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 5: in this story specifically, and maybe with the macr thing

934
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 5: at the end, I think they just since they knew

935
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 5: they were so anchored with material for Dunk, they really

936
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 5: did a lot to parallel that Dunk's journey and Egg's

937
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 5: journey is the same. They both have to leave a

938
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 5: seemingly safe situation and become a squire, and it has

939
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 5: to primarily be their choice, and they don't have to

940
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 5: have permission to do it. So I can see the

941
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 5: clarification coming for people that it's very important to have

942
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 5: clarification in a future story point. I think the biggest

943
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 5: for me as a non book reader, the biggest sort

944
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 5: of thing this does at the post credit scene is

945
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 5: it takes what could have been an arc for Macar

946
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 5: being like, maybe I'm not a great dad and maybe

947
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 5: I could trust somebody else with this, and took that

948
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 5: decision away from him. So I think I do hope

949
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 5: if we return to Macar in the future it is

950
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 5: something like Neil saying, where it's like he was smarter

951
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 5: than we thought, Because I do think in a season

952
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 5: where Sir Arlind got to be kind of a good

953
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 5: bad dad at the very end of the season, why

954
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 5: didn't ma Car get extended that same sort of story

955
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 5: parallel with our two.

956
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: Heroes I came away as people have heard me talk

957
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: about a lot on this pod with a with a

958
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: kind of a different view of Makar more in line

959
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: with what you mentioned, you know, in the book. He

960
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: is he's just kind of a dick. He's like not

961
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: a fun guy. He's just comes off as very stern,

962
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: very mean. And in the show you just realized, listen,

963
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: this guy is going through it. His family life is

964
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: a mess. One kid is an alcoholic, his other kids disappeared.

965
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: His other kid isially like yeah, like a sociopath, bully,

966
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: and he's just he's just going through a lot. On

967
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: the other hand, another thing that I came away with

968
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: specifically out of the Fidale is speaking of good bad dads,

969
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: is this guy will do anything to not raise his kids.

970
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: Don It's very don draper of him in that, like

971
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: he'll check in for like five solid minutes every three

972
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: months or something like listen, you gotta like we gotta

973
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: figure like let me hug you after you try and

974
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 1: kill you attempted murdering your brother, and then we'll have

975
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 1: this wonderful moment and then off you go. That's it,

976
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: I know, But at the same time, like a real

977
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: humanizing of him. And I think that's one of the

978
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: one of the triumphs of this show is that, at

979
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: least for me as a book reader, it was so

980
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 1: additive in terms of the emotional depth of these characters.

981
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: You know, Darren is less pathetic, more human. Yeah, is

982
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: less Like I would never co sign anything that he does.

983
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: But I understand, I don't disagree with necessarily.

984
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 3: With is not incorrect if you look at the history

985
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 3: of wester Ros and what has worked for the Tagarians,

986
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 3: like he has just not updated himself to where the

987
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 3: Tagarians stand in this timeline without dragons.

988
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, your thoughts on the on the emotional depth the

989
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: show has managed to deliver in you know, six half

990
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: hour installments basically, I.

991
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 6: Mean, I agree, I think that they've done a really

992
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 6: good job of I think planning a lot.

993
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 4: Of seeds for these characters.

994
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 6: That especially if and I think you know, in in

995
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 6: the in his you know, post series media tour that

996
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 6: Ira Parker's been doing, he's been soft pedaling a little

997
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 6: bit as far as like their ambitions for this show.

998
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 6: He's been like, well, you know, if we get a

999
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 6: season three. But I think you can tell in the

1000
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 6: way that they're executing these characters that they have thoughts

1001
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 6: about how they how these things are play out in

1002
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 6: a season four, five, six, seven and beyond, because you know,

1003
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 6: you kind of need these well developed, fully formed characterizations

1004
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,439
Speaker 6: of a few of these characters, at least the ones

1005
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 6: that we expect that we'll come back to, Makr being

1006
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,439
Speaker 6: a really important one that that I think would would

1007
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 6: be a very important figure if we get further.

1008
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 4: Down the line in Egg's life.

1009
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 6: And and I do I think that the Arian is

1010
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 6: a good is a really good one because you know,

1011
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 6: I think we not only see the seeds of his

1012
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 6: sort of Targarian madness, how he has already sort of

1013
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 6: lost the coin flip of of the Targarian line, but

1014
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:49,240
Speaker 6: also how that could get so much worse, right, and

1015
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 6: and how that could and so much you know, like

1016
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 6: I've I had Dave guessing, you know throughout the season

1017
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 6: if if you had to guess which one of these

1018
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 6: Targetarians would maybe someday try and drink wildfire to turn

1019
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 6: themselves into a dragon.

1020
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 4: Which one would it be?

1021
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 6: To his credit, he got it within like the first

1022
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 6: three episodes.

1023
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, right there, he's the guy who's.

1024
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 3: He really wants to be a Dragon Dave for you

1025
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,280
Speaker 3: what when you leave this end of the season. And obviously,

1026
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 3: like you said, unique situation because you have Neil who's

1027
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 3: giving you all the info, but you're not like doing

1028
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 3: the research.

1029
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,919
Speaker 2: Where do you want to see duncan Egg go from here?

1030
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 3: And also like which of the characters you know, some

1031
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 3: of the lesser characters, the ones who maybe just really

1032
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 3: spoke to you, who surprised you, Who would you want

1033
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 3: to see, Like, not thinking of the book, just thinking

1034
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 3: as a TV viewer, like what do you want from

1035
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 3: the next season?

1036
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 5: Oh? I love the sort of I mean as a

1037
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 5: world building fan in like large sprawling fictions like this.

1038
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 5: I like that we got a very consequential story with

1039
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 5: a bunch of as Jason boyd out deep characters. But

1040
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 5: we also got a couple of weeks just talking about

1041
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 5: how tournaments work. We got a little history lesson with

1042
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 5: like the Trial of the Seven, which I think is

1043
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 5: really cool and so hearing that you know we have

1044
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 5: west Rosi COVID coming up. I think trying to bootstrap

1045
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 5: like a cider business during a global pandemic would be

1046
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 5: a thing that I would.

1047
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 3: Love to I'm a Raymond, I'm a Raymond like spin off.

1048
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 3: I need like Raymond side of house rules like Sida

1049
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 3: with Raymond, we need it.

1050
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 5: It's great, he's got like I would say, like maybe

1051
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 5: a Dundarian bastard that's going to inherit his name. So

1052
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 5: I think there's a bunch of intrigue there. But I

1053
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 5: would like it if they're going to be like this

1054
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 5: traveling show, this wolf and cub sort of archetype to

1055
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 5: peek in on another smaller aspect of the small folk

1056
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 5: of West Ros, or even like a mid level house.

1057
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 5: I just I feel like I've been trained to know

1058
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 5: the politics of the Red Keep and the Targarians pretty well,

1059
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 5: and I'm gonna get you know, we're gonna we're gonna

1060
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 5: eat there later this year. So I am interested to

1061
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 5: see sort of what other things I could find out

1062
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 5: about this universe through Duncan Egg settling scores large and

1063
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 5: small as they traveled throughout the Nine Kingdoms.

1064
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 2: Yeah half the Nine Kingdoms.

1065
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:24,439
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1066
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a fun play.

1067
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 3: I know, but so many greeders in our discord were like,

1068
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 3: I mean, like it's one of those like.

1069
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 2: Marvel we have.

1070
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 3: It's the Marvel six one six thing, right, It's like

1071
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 3: the conversations you have with your friends that you never

1072
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 3: expect them to make Cannon.

1073
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: It's the Crown Lanes that messes it all up because

1074
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: it's like the d C of the Washington d C

1075
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: of West. Technically, it's very very, very new in the

1076
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: sense that it didn't exist as a polity at all

1077
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: before the Targerian's got here, and it kind of doesn't

1078
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: nobody really thinks about it, like it's not a it's

1079
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: like the King's realm within the realm, but whatever anyway,

1080
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: kind of but not really so with the fact that

1081
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: you're you're not a book reader in mind, let's go

1082
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: through some of these uh kind of I think pretty

1083
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: impactful easter at could have been that are in the

1084
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: text and then have been woven through the show, and

1085
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: get your gut check on what these things made them.

1086
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: And if I'm forget any meal, please.

1087
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 2: Please help us this game.

1088
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, do you know?

1089
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: Are you aware of Summer Hall?

1090
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 5: I am aware of Summer Hall because I made the

1091
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 5: prediction that our fortune teller this season was telling us

1092
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 5: the end of their lives. Not necessarily so. I thought

1093
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 5: Giant Dagon falling on Dunk and Dunk living with a

1094
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 5: fire was Summer Haul. But then Niel's like, Dunk doesn't

1095
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 5: live through Summer Hall, and I'm like, oh great, cool,

1096
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 5: But then apparently that might change according to recent Prince.

1097
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: Question mark question question mark.

1098
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, So like, yeah, I am excited to be there.

1099
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,959
Speaker 5: I do think, at least immediately we have to deal

1100
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 5: with who knows that Egg isn't there at the beginning

1101
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 5: of season two, because it is weird to have a

1102
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 5: tiny little prince gallivanting around.

1103
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

1104
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: So you're so, you're so Summer Haul to you? Is

1105
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: they die there?

1106
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 4: They die there?

1107
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 5: Because for some reason, my understanding is Egg is trying

1108
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 5: to revive the dragons, which to me seems very counter

1109
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 5: Egg at this point. So I am excited because I

1110
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 5: do hear he's a you know, man of the people.

1111
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 5: How those two things cross over. Yes, I want the

1112
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 5: nukes for the people has never been a.

1113
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 2: Fun ever a good route.

1114
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 3: But I do think that with everything they're leading in

1115
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 3: with Egg and what we know about Egg and his

1116
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 3: vibe as someone who I do believe Neil, let me

1117
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 3: ask you what you think of the rate like the

1118
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 3: likelihood of this, because this is my current theory post

1119
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 3: watch on the show. Egg's need for the Dragon is

1120
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 3: for reviving the dragons, is going to be about some

1121
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 3: way of trying to protect the small folk, or connected

1122
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 3: to his ideas of what he thinks.

1123
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 2: Is important for the small folks.

1124
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 3: That's what I think we're going to lead up to

1125
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 3: with that reveal, is my gut at this point.

1126
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think it's entirely possible that it

1127
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 6: is either pressure from the high lords, right like he

1128
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 6: as king feels pressure from them that he feels like

1129
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 6: he needs to defend the small folk from them. Or

1130
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 6: and this is something that I think House of the

1131
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 6: Dragon may explore, is that they lose the prophecy and

1132
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 6: eggs the prophecy. That is the kind of thing that

1133
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 6: drives the targarian, right Like, that's the kind of thing

1134
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 6: that if he found out that winter is coming, that

1135
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 6: he would be like, oh shit, now I have to

1136
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 6: bring the dragonspeck because that would endanger all the small

1137
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 6: folk obviously.

1138
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man, that's heartbreaking.

1139
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: That is my that's my personal theory is that currently

1140
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: right now, in the wake of House of the Dragon,

1141
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: they've lost the prophecy. They don't they're not going to

1142
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: have it until potentially egg you know, maybe maybe blood

1143
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: raven acid and just is not saying anything. Whatever the

1144
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: case may be, Egg finds it, and then if you

1145
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 1: check the there's not a tremendous amount of information about

1146
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:44,439
Speaker 1: like the seasons throughout history, but it's clear that there's

1147
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: a very very bad winter around this time. And my

1148
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: theory is Egg gets the prophecy it's a really bad winter,

1149
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: and he's like, fuck, this is it.

1150
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 2: He's like, this is.

1151
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: It the wind, this is it, this is he It's happening.

1152
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: We need to I need to bring the dragons back.

1153
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: That's my theory. Wow, okay, next Easter, Egg Tarth? Your

1154
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: thought Tarth? Any what is that? Does that ring any

1155
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: kind of bell for you?

1156
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 4: Neil?

1157
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,439
Speaker 5: Neil is our resident big woman expert, but I do know.

1158
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 3: That was immediately we were just like, yeah, big dolls,

1159
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 3: we love him.

1160
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 5: I Mean, the most tempted I am for Dunk to

1161
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 5: not go off with Egg is at the beginning of

1162
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 5: this final episode, where I'm like, yeah, go to storms End,

1163
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 5: hang out at Tarth, don't get in any wars for

1164
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 5: at least a while. That seems like a great thing

1165
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 5: to do. I would like to see the sapphire waters

1166
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 5: of Tarth if I were him, But yeah, I would.

1167
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 5: I would love for that to happen eventually. My understanding

1168
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 5: is there is some sort of reference to dunk sigil

1169
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 5: around the Tarth family household, so hopefully he gets to

1170
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 5: head out to that island sometime.

1171
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:01,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, And George is basically said the related Neil any

1172
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: thoughts about how they're related.

1173
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, uh, Brien's father has his shield

1174
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 6: in that in that time period, so I think he's

1175
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 6: in that family tree somewhere, just the tall thing.

1176
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 5: In this time period. Or are we looking at like

1177
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 5: a tan sealed Dunk begin the tall woman line on Tarth?

1178
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 6: I mean, who knows knows? We know where he finds

1179
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 6: her again, if he finds her again. And George is

1180
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 6: also suggested that he meets Tansel too Tall at some

1181
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 6: point in his journey again.

1182
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 3: It feels like with the way that this season played out,

1183
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 3: I think that they and that you know, the way

1184
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 3: that they said, well she went to Dawn and then

1185
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, they're going to down and then I

1186
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 3: feel like they're establishing some hope there. Okay, Dave, how

1187
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 3: did you feel.

1188
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 2: About Eggs fortune and Dunk's fortune?

1189
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 3: Obviously, Like, did you immediately read like, what was your read.

1190
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 2: On that Fortune Teller? Obviously there's a lot there if

1191
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 2: your book credo.

1192
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, No, I thought it was a big end

1193
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 5: game and maybe projecting a little bit like Sir Island.

1194
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 5: The Knight always finishes this story that this season, this

1195
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 5: series intends to get there, like Game of Thrones before it,

1196
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 5: whether or not George decides he's going to write there.

1197
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 5: So I appreciate that deep look, I do understand that

1198
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 5: the prophecy does seem to be fulfilled, at least for Dunk.

1199
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 5: But as we've seen with George R. Martin prophecies, who

1200
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 5: knows what time period did that refer to or if

1201
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 5: it's a George Lucas loop where you know, like poetry,

1202
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 5: it rhymes and throughout history, it's just falling on Dunk

1203
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 5: and he's like, oh, he's tip and riddling all over

1204
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 5: all over West Roast.

1205
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: Let me ask you guys this. This is something we've

1206
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: asked some of our other guests, So, oh yeah, has

1207
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: been talked about. The Fortune Teller is the same actor

1208
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: as the Innkeeper. My head canon is this is for

1209
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: side hosts says like let me go, let me go

1210
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 1: out and make some extra money over at the tournament.

1211
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 5: I know who's the extra money at the well?

1212
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: You know, like she knows that there's gonna be a

1213
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: lot of rich people, let's see. But but also my

1214
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: theory works whether it's her or not, because it's clear

1215
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 1: that this is just a you know, like a like

1216
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: a fortune teller you'd see in real life. Like this

1217
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 1: is just kind of a bit. It's for entertainment purposes only.

1218
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: That said, and that's certainly how Dunk takes it, like

1219
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: naive in many ways, but he's like, oh, this is good.

1220
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: I love these I love when they do these great

1221
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: and then and then it and then clearly she taps

1222
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: into something does this and who knows?

1223
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 2: I love about it.

1224
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 1: But but clearly they thought deeply about a lot of things.

1225
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 1: Does this mean that there is something innate about the

1226
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: Targarians that could activate fortune telling or that this person

1227
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,080
Speaker 1: has that talent regardless because.

1228
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 5: It's was it a good cold read or was she

1229
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 5: touched by.

1230
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: Or was she touched by some sort of essential Targarian six?

1231
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 3: I like Jason kind of sees it as like, you know,

1232
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,439
Speaker 3: the Dunk one. You just say that to a guy

1233
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 3: at tournament, right, You're gonna have.

1234
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 2: Loads of money. You're gonna be.

1235
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 3: But the egg one is like, it seems almost like

1236
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 3: she's suddenly that classic you're faking it at, you know,

1237
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 3: old timey seance and then you'll possess she's.

1238
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: Shocked by it. She when she comes out of it,

1239
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 1: she's clearly shaken in some way. Your thoughts about this theory.

1240
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 2: Hmmm, nails chuckle, Yeah, go for it?

1241
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: Or okay?

1242
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 6: Is she an actual witch aka a glamored up Melissandra

1243
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 6: who's knocking down dominoes.

1244
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 2: You're talking that's the kind of ship I like to

1245
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 2: talk about.

1246
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 6: I need to get Egg in position to do the

1247
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 6: summer Hall so that those dragon eggs are there, so

1248
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 6: that they have regar is born, so that eventually it

1249
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 6: gets gnarious, so that eventually we get to the final

1250
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 6: end of the story.

1251
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 1: Right, it's a it's a it's a it's a dune

1252
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 1: yeah kind of situation where the witches are like are

1253
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: engineering this one.

1254
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 6: I mean, she's been around for hundreds of years. She's

1255
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 6: kicking around somewhere.

1256
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 2: And she does love to do a glama.

1257
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: She does love to do a glamor. I love this theory.

1258
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 1: My only issue with that is like, is is Melissandra competent?

1259
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:33,719
Speaker 4: Kinds?

1260
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 3: She?

1261
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: It kind of feels to me like, listen, she's got

1262
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,760
Speaker 1: some wins and you got a creditor. But but I

1263
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 1: don't know that the long range planning was ever really

1264
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: there with.

1265
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 5: Her prequel, if not to make Melissa und competent. In hindsight,

1266
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 5: I feel, yeah.

1267
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 4: Really about the Lord of Life.

1268
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 2: That's good point.

1269
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:05,640
Speaker 3: I mean, didn't that he just where an ego just

1270
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 3: ended up going nowhere? No? I I like that though,

1271
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 3: because in a way as it one of the things

1272
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 3: I loved about Houses Dragons so much, and I think

1273
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:16,680
Speaker 3: this show does as well. Is it does kind of

1274
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 3: have that Dave Feloney doing Rebels esque nature of like,

1275
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 3: for sure well about this, like you know, the secret

1276
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 3: meeting at Dragonstone and stuff like that. So I kind

1277
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 3: of love the idea that some of these smaller interactions

1278
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 3: that are sparking these kind of conversations in three seasons,

1279
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 3: we might be looking back and being like, oh, that's

1280
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 3: actually why this show existed. In the nature of the

1281
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 3: TV show, like we love to see Duncan Egg, but

1282
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 3: obviously HBO, Georgia R. Martin Game of Thrones universe is

1283
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 3: trying to get back to a place where it is

1284
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 3: the all consequential, all consuming TV show that it once was.

1285
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 3: And I think that by you're always thinking that, even

1286
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 3: in a smaller scale show like this, we know what

1287
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 3: they're leading towards.

1288
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 2: So I really like.

1289
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: That gentlemen, thoughts on what you'd love to see going forward,

1290
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: like a what are you hoping from this show? Neil,

1291
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 1: I mean, just.

1292
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 4: Just more of it.

1293
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 6: And I really like, you know, to kind of add

1294
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 6: on to what Rosie was just saying that this show

1295
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 6: is kind of the sneaky version of it starts out

1296
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 6: as a buddy comedy and then becomes the weighty, important,

1297
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 6: dramatic version of Game of Thrones that we know and love.

1298
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 6: And I think that it can continue to do that

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Speaker 6: more and more, Like it can continue to just be

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Speaker 6: a fun Wolf and Cubs story that also interacts with

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Speaker 6: these very important moments on the timeline, and I think

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Speaker 6: that that's going to be fun for book readers and

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Speaker 6: non book readers alike.

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Speaker 5: Heay, it's season five reunited with Sweetfoot when we check

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Speaker 5: in on the box ways. Yeah, finally, I think that

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Speaker 5: would that would be great. But I have more more

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Speaker 5: so as somebody who experiences this world through HBO. Primarily,

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Speaker 5: I'm excited to see new things. We spend a lot

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Speaker 5: of Game of Thrones in the same locations with the

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Speaker 5: same wiverns calling themselves dragons. Like, I'm excited to see

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Speaker 5: certain things here amongst the world.

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Speaker 2: I love that. Okay, I need to scope this out

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Speaker 2: as well. Guys.

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Speaker 3: There's just one question when it comes to this state

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Speaker 3: of where these characters are going, which is.

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Speaker 2: Like, do you.

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Speaker 3: Believe that Darren's prophecy was just about the Tawny or

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Speaker 3: was it a bigger prophecy Because in the books it

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Speaker 3: seems like it's per just about the Tawny, and we

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Speaker 3: definitely see that come true. But it does feel here

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Speaker 3: that maybe that prophecy is going to be kind of recurring.

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Speaker 3: Like you said, the George Lucas think history rhymes, it's

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Speaker 3: a poem.

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Speaker 6: I was gonna say, it depends on if you believe

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Speaker 6: that Dexter Saul Ansel is accidentally telling us spoilers in

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Speaker 6: his press tour, absolutely pranking us in his press tour

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Speaker 6: by dropping fake spoilers. Because I do think that the

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Speaker 6: prophecy would apply if Dunk lives through Summer Hall.

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Speaker 4: But I am of the mind that they're.

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Speaker 6: Messing with us, Especially after they mentioned the Henry Cavill thing.

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Speaker 6: I was like, that's so Reddit Brain, like they're they're

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Speaker 6: fucking with us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's like that doing a Tom Holland

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Speaker 3: bit just to get people excited, but it's not actually and.

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Speaker 4: No one's going to be mad at that adorable child.

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Speaker 1: No, yes, no one absolutely is going to be bad. Gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: where can folks find you?

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Speaker 4: You can go to stormospoilers dot com. You can get everything.

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Speaker 6: We got a Patreon, we got multiple YouTube channels. It'll

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Speaker 6: link you to the podcast. We're going to be covering

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Speaker 6: the Godzilla show that's coming back, and of course we'll

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Speaker 6: be back for House the Dragon when it comes back

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Speaker 6: in the summer.

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Speaker 1: Uh. One of the best out there doing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we love you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 4: Great to thank you.

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Speaker 1: On the next episode of Extra Revision, we'll be taking

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Speaker 1: a deep dive into the journey of Captain America in

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Speaker 1: his role as we approach Avengers Doomsday. That's it for

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Speaker 1: this episode. Thanks for listening by x Ray. Vision is

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Speaker 1: hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie Knight and is a

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Speaker 1: production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.

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Speaker 3: Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wack.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and

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Speaker 3: Heidi our discord moderator.