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Speaker 2: People think that the President of the United States has

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Speaker 2: But the president can only postpone delay, but not forgive.

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Speaker 1: All right, I want to give you Drago Jiron. He

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Speaker 1: It's amazing. Again. Imagine being stuck in Poland when the

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Speaker 1: of there once again. Drago Jiron is joining us with

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Speaker 1: a brand new book called The Pledge to America. One

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Speaker 1: Man's Journey from political prisoner to US Navy Seal. How

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Speaker 1: are you, Drago? Nice to meet you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Joe voting and fighting me. I'm doing five.

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Speaker 3: How are you I'm doing?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm doing very well and I appreciate you coming

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Speaker 1: on the show today. You've got an accent obviously, but

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Speaker 1: you speak English perfectly. You're from Poland. Yes, I grew

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Speaker 3: I'm just just an American.

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Speaker 1: Poland when you were growing up, was it socialist? Was

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Speaker 3: Poland was a socialist state run by communists. The very

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Speaker 1: Way, Americans who are born and raised here don't understand

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Speaker 3: I would be hard to understand for people who never

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Speaker 1: It's a struggle, Juren. He's got a book out. It's

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Speaker 1: It is drago Jian. He has got a book out.

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Speaker 1: It's called The Pledge to America Women's Journey from Political

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Speaker 1: Prisoner to US Navy Seal. You can follow him on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: His first name d r A g O, last name

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Speaker 1: him there. I don't follow you yet, but I will

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Speaker 1: go follow you on Instagram. I'm at Joe talk show

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Speaker 3: Yes, I was born twenty years before those events you

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Speaker 4: So I was one of those released at the time.

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Speaker 3: I was speaking out against the communism actually exactly. I

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Speaker 1: called The Pledge to America Women's Journey from Political Prisoner

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Speaker 4: Well, you know what that visit did. The Poles freed.

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Speaker 1: Pledge to America. One Man's Journey from Political Prisoner the

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Speaker 1: You've sort of already foreshadowed it because they knew you

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Speaker 5: coming in and and he was angry, and he and

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Speaker 5: I ended up sitting there with him for about an hour,

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Speaker 5: and I want, I wanted him to know that I

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Speaker 5: was there for him and that I wasn't there for myself,

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Speaker 5: and and uh, you know, returning time and time and

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Speaker 5: time again, I think they finally got the picture that

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Speaker 5: I was.

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Speaker 6: In it for or for good.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was something that that was you know, I

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Speaker 5: certainly didn't have to go multiple times to the hospitals

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Speaker 5: or play concerts or do all these different things. But

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Speaker 5: I think after a while, the military community started to

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Speaker 5: see that this was, you know, this was just a

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Speaker 5: part of my life and something that I felt was important.

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Speaker 6: And I kind of earned their trust and that was

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Speaker 6: important to me. And keeping their trust and never losing.

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Speaker 5: That is something that that is is just a high

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Speaker 5: priority for me. And I would never want to be

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Speaker 5: you know, say something to some someone who's wounded or

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Speaker 5: serving or something and promised them something that I couldn't

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Speaker 5: deliver anything. So I'm very careful about about doing that

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Speaker 5: because I never you know, I don't want to be

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Speaker 5: one of those guys that just blows in and says,

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Speaker 5: oh yeah, here's my card.

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Speaker 6: Call me. I'll call you tomorrow, you know, and then

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Speaker 6: you never hear from them. Well, you've certainly proven that

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Speaker 6: I you don't think I can deliver something that I won't.

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Speaker 6: I won't offer it.

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Speaker 1: You've proven that you're not that guy. And obviously they do,

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Speaker 1: in fact understand. Being skeptical at first is okay. But

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Speaker 1: Gary cinicsee the Gary Sinis Foundation is all. It's you've

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Speaker 1: made your name, and not that you were trying to

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Speaker 1: make a name, but you've made them understand that they

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Speaker 1: can trust you. I've got a very small story that

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Speaker 1: I can relate nothing that you've asked, But you really

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Speaker 1: sort of opened my eyes to this. I was at

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Speaker 1: the airport once and there's a guy in full camouflage.

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Speaker 1: He's about to get on a plane and go somewhere,

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Speaker 1: and I thanked him for his service, and his response

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Speaker 1: wasn't you're welcome? His response was, do you know what

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Speaker 1: it's like to be in Fallujah. It made it made

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Speaker 1: me sort of turn white, and I got some goosebumps

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Speaker 1: and I don't And then he told me the story

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Speaker 1: of what it's like to be in Fallusion. This is

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Speaker 1: right when Iraq was getting going, and I felt so

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Speaker 1: bad for this kid. This guy was nineteen twenty years old,

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Speaker 1: and he had a look at his face like I

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Speaker 1: have to go back there now. And I don't know

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Speaker 1: whatever happened with him. I think I gave him my

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Speaker 1: email address and he never got back to I was

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Speaker 1: a TV news anchor at the time, and I just

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Speaker 1: sat there with him. They just they'll tell you the

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Speaker 1: story if you're really open to it, and if you're

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Speaker 1: not really there for yourself, if you're there for them.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what you just said.

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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, you know, you never know.

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Speaker 5: I mean I always people are always asking me what

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Speaker 5: they can do and.

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Speaker 6: Everything like that.

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Speaker 5: If you pat somebody on the back and an airport

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Speaker 5: like that or something like that, you should be prepared,

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Speaker 5: you know, to give them some time.

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Speaker 6: Because they may need it.

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Speaker 5: You know, you never know if they're on their way

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Speaker 5: to a funeral of a buddy or if they just

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Speaker 5: delivered a buddy to.

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Speaker 6: You know, somewhere. I had to tell the family that

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Speaker 6: they've lost a brother.

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Speaker 5: You don't you know, maybe he's maybe he'd been in

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Speaker 5: battle for months and months and lost multiple friends, and

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Speaker 5: you just never know what somebody is going through. And

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Speaker 5: you know, this has been a tough, tough war on

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Speaker 5: a lot of people. They've deployed multiple times, children have

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Speaker 5: been have grown up, A generation of children have grown up,

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Speaker 5: grown up with the one or two parents or whatever.

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Speaker 5: If they're both serving away from home multiple times throughout

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Speaker 5: that time that that child is growing up.

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Speaker 6: You just don't know.

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Speaker 5: Military life can be a really tough thing on a family.

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Speaker 5: And I tried to provide some relief, some support, some uplift,

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Speaker 5: you know, services, whatever we can do because this has

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Speaker 5: been a tough war. I remember, you know, I mean

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Speaker 5: twenty years of Afghanistan and then you come out of

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Speaker 5: Afghanistan and you have that result.

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Speaker 6: A lot of people are going through a lot of

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Speaker 6: difficult stuff.

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Speaker 5: Right now because of the way we left Afghanistan and

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Speaker 5: how difficult that was.

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Speaker 1: Gary Sidesefoundation dot org is the website. Go there right now,

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Speaker 1: see how you can help assist Gary getting this done

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Speaker 1: as well. What is the Snowball Express. I don't think

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Speaker 1: you guys just announced this six or seven days ago.

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Speaker 1: What specifically is that, well.

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Speaker 5: Snowball Express was started in two thousand and six by

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Speaker 5: a few people in the southern California area who wanted

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Speaker 5: to help some of the children who had lost you know,

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Speaker 5: a mom or a dad in the war, the children

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Speaker 5: of our fallen heroes, and so they put an event

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Speaker 5: together at Disneyland in Anaheim. There was a soldier who

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Speaker 5: had been killed, and he wrote a letter and in

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Speaker 5: that letter it said, if anything happens to me, make

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Speaker 5: sure the family gets.

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Speaker 6: To go to Disneyland.

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Speaker 5: And so that was sort of the catalyst for some

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Speaker 5: people to say, Hey, there's a lot of children that

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Speaker 5: are going through that right now, let's get them to Disneyland.

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Speaker 5: So American Airlines jumped on board and started to provide

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Speaker 5: the airline tickets, and I got involved the following year

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Speaker 5: in two thousand and seven, and for many, many years,

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Speaker 5: for ten years, we kept doing Snowball Express and then

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Speaker 5: we wanted to move it to Disney World.

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Speaker 6: So.

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Speaker 5: We folded it into the Garysonese Foundation as of our

549
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Speaker 5: one of our initiatives under our relief and resiliency program,

550
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Speaker 5: and in twenty eighteen we took over a thousand gold

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Speaker 5: Star Children to Disney World. We did it in twenty nineteen, then,

552
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Speaker 5: of course the pandemic, so the next two years we

553
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Speaker 5: were kind of a virtual event, and then last year

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Speaker 5: we took them took almost nearly two thousand people, you know,

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Speaker 5: with the guardians and you know, all the children and

556
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Speaker 5: the volunteers and everybody that comes to help. We have

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Speaker 5: multiple corporate partners, So Snowball Express is this gold Star

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Speaker 5: event for our military, and now we've expanded it because

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Speaker 5: first responders have always been a part of my foundation

560
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Speaker 5: and supporting them in various ways. We build homes for

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Speaker 5: police officers that have been wounded or firefighters, whatever, and

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Speaker 5: now we want to do the same thing for our

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Speaker 5: first responder children. So we've expanded this massive event that

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Speaker 5: we're doing at Disney World in December, and we'll do

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Speaker 5: a military child event, and then we'll do a first responder.

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Speaker 6: Child event right after that. My band plays every year.

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Speaker 5: It's a lot of fun for the kids, but it's

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Speaker 5: also very it's very healing because all these kids are

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Speaker 5: coming together from all over the country and they're meeting

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Speaker 5: other children that are going through the same thing, the

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Speaker 5: loss of a p in service to our country, for

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Speaker 5: our communities, and we want to let them know that

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Speaker 5: they're not alone.

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Speaker 6: We love them, we appreciate them, and we're not going

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Speaker 6: to forget them.

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Speaker 1: I love what you're doing for them. I love what

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Speaker 1: you're doing for first responders and for soldiers. I hate

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Speaker 1: that that soldier died, but his legacy is he wrote

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Speaker 1: the letter, and that letter was the impetus for you

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Speaker 1: to get on board and be Airlines get on board,

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Speaker 1: and Disney everybody else. I just love that it's come

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Speaker 1: together like this, and this must be life changing for

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Speaker 1: a lot of these families and children going and support

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Speaker 1: what Gary Sinise does Gary Sinesfoundation dot org. Gary Sinesfoundation

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Speaker 1: dot org. I feel like I could talk to you

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Speaker 1: for three hours. Let's do it again soon, can we? Gary?

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Speaker 6: I would love to Joe thank you anytime.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. We're back after this. Stay right here.

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