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Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy

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Speaker 1: Football Podcast. It is me Joey P joe P Zapia,

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Speaker 1: and today we're gonna have a fun exercise. We'll probably

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Speaker 1: do I don't know about one thousand and one times

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Speaker 1: between now and Labor Day. My friends Jake Sealey from

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Speaker 1: The Athletic and Andrew Erickson for Fantasy Pros. Here, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna try our best to throw out what our first

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Speaker 1: round might look like in twenty twenty six. We just

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Speaker 1: had a great show with Jake and Pat fitz Morris.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about kind of the post mortem from

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five what we can learn about in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six. So if you miss that, go watch it

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Speaker 1: on our YouTube channel. Subscribe to our YouTube channel right now,

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Pros and wherever you get your podcasts. But we're

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Speaker 1: gonna try to take some of that discussion here and

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Speaker 1: put it into the first round and see if we

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Speaker 1: can make that knowledge work for us. Jake, since that conversation,

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Speaker 1: I actually changed my first round because this is what

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Speaker 1: it is, right, It's constantly moving, it's constantly taking shape,

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Speaker 1: and I think these kind of conversations here were a

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Speaker 1: couple of us who you know, do this day in,

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Speaker 1: day out, all year round. Having these conversations. Talking it

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Speaker 1: out is how you get the best product at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day.

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Speaker 2: I would one hundred percent agree because also you know

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Speaker 2: this as well as anybody who's been around me, is

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Speaker 2: our drafts in July don't look like our drafts at

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Speaker 2: the end of August. And it's not just because of

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Speaker 2: ADP and other people shifting. It's we learn more things,

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Speaker 2: people get hurt, things adjust, and we have to adjust

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Speaker 2: to the drafts and what we expected. So yeah, drafting

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Speaker 2: today should look nothing like your drafts come August. But

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Speaker 2: the exercise because then you can pivot on the spot

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Speaker 2: because you know these names, you know the information.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, it's tough because you got guys like

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Speaker 1: we league neighbors, right, big time talents coming off injuries.

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Speaker 1: We want to put him in the first round. I

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Speaker 1: gotta say ericson after last night catching that ihop commercial

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Speaker 1: that he was in that was hilarious. It made me time.

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Speaker 1: I hadn't seen it. I don't know why I hadn't

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Speaker 1: seen it. I watch a ton of red Zone, so

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Speaker 1: I never see that. And then like the standalone games.

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Speaker 1: I tend to DVR stuff, so I'm blowing through commercials.

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Speaker 1: But last night was watching it live on a Monday

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Speaker 1: night and laugh my ass off. Hilarious, brilliant, take a

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Speaker 1: little joke at yourself. Andrew Erickson, we were talking about

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that there's a buying opportunity when it

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Speaker 3: comes to Malik Neighbors because it just takes that one

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Speaker 3: that top five, top five wide receiver that we were

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Speaker 3: He can feel fantasy success. We saw that with Wandall

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So obviously this is very early. Coaches

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Speaker 1: put in place, draft picks need to be made. So

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Speaker 1: this is fun but also kind of the best we

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Speaker 1: can do right now with the data that we've been given.

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Speaker 1: And that's what we're trying to do for today. Make

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Speaker 1: sure you again subscribe to the channels as we want

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Speaker 1: you to do. Hang out with us all the time.

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Speaker 1: And let's start here with Jake Seey. We're going to

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Speaker 1: go through the first four picks here in the first

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Speaker 1: round for each of us. Jake, why don't you kick

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Speaker 1: things off with your picks number one through number four.

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Speaker 2: I start with the running back, and you know I

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Speaker 2: love my running backs, Joe, but the next three after

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Speaker 2: You tell me Uh, you.

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Speaker 1: Know what, Jake, I'm gonna let you walk through your

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Speaker 1: But I think once Jake Seely gets rolling in a monologue,

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Speaker 1: kick off your one through four in your thought process

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Speaker 1: because I know there's a reason to the grouping, and

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Speaker 1: my number one, who's your number one? That's not as

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Speaker 2: So Evan Ingram is.

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Speaker 1: Nobody here is going to go back that far.

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Speaker 2: Andrew has no idea what's happening right, Like I want

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Speaker 2: is champion taking Christian mccaffre in the middle of the

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Speaker 2: so it remains to be seen. But I feel like

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Speaker 2: be my only argument against him not being the first

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Speaker 2: Coua are are arguably the best combination we've seen this year,

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Speaker 2: why I guess the slight edge for me over Jackson

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Speaker 2: Smith and Jigba. We talked about it, actually, Erics and

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Speaker 2: Sam Darnold being to come in and do what he

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Speaker 2: going to be a question void at number two wide receiver?

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Speaker 2: Is he still going to get that thirty five percent

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Speaker 2: It's Nikua Smith and Jigba Chase. If I was doing

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Speaker 2: The only reason Chase comes in the third is because

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Speaker 2: And when Joe Burrow came back, like even if you

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Speaker 2: third for me. If you I'm not saying you can't

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Speaker 1: See, I knew, and Jake seally gets going with a

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Speaker 1: I love it all Right, Andrew Rickson, let's walk through

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Speaker 1: your one through four here, because you also agree with Jake,

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Speaker 3: And to add more fuel to the fire of vjon

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Speaker 3: as the one oh one, tayle lal Zier is a

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Speaker 3: be back, and we get closer to ninety percent snapshare

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Speaker 3: Bjehon Robinson in a full blown Kishan McCaffrey of yesteryear

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Speaker 3: where he's seeing every single snap in that backfield. Now,

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Speaker 3: I would expect them even if Algier walks in free agency,

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Speaker 3: the coaching change does matter. But I think if Zach

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Speaker 3: I mean, the thing that they kept telling us over

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Speaker 3: and over and over again was Jon robinsons the best

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Speaker 3: fans or the best football player on the planet, and

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Speaker 3: we want to feed him as much as humanly possible.

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Speaker 3: That was both Raheem Morris and Zach Robinson saying that.

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Speaker 3: So again, he's in his uber prime. And that's how

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Speaker 3: I feel about Jamir Gabs too. So he's my number

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Speaker 3: And if you look over the last couple of years,

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Speaker 3: I'm starting to push running backs up a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 1: Look I love hearing the praise or James Cook. And

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Speaker 1: So one thing that I know, I don't think much

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Speaker 1: All right, Sealy, we got through the top of the list.

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Speaker 1: Let's get picks five through eight. Walk us through, starting

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Speaker 1: with number five on your list, Jamior Gibbs.

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Speaker 2: I don't get to ask a follow up after all that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sitting late by all means I want it's hard

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Speaker 1: It was very good. You are a very good boy.

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Speaker 1: Who's the me or ericson?

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Speaker 2: It's both because it's the jamar Chase conversation. Like I

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Speaker 2: have you answered the Nakoula one because my pushback was

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Speaker 2: to come back to because Ericson said, like, you know,

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Speaker 2: Is that again, the twenty point season was the anomaly.

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Speaker 2: I'm throwing that one out the window. But the three

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Speaker 1: I'm expecting the offensive line to get massive improvements because

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Speaker 1: between the two of them that makes me feel good

431
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Speaker 1: about my investment because it more than just like being

432
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Speaker 1: the big splash guy. I also don't want to be

433
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Speaker 1: wrong with my top four picks, and I think that

434
00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,960
Speaker 1: there's very little that you know, I feel like, well

435
00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,200
Speaker 1: that investment going wrong compared to a Puka nakua where

436
00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,240
Speaker 1: the Stafford age, the Stafford retirement, the Puka ta coua

437
00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,119
Speaker 1: style of play. You know, who does take over for

438
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Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford potentially if he's not there for injury, if

439
00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,960
Speaker 1: he does come back, because he is another year older.

440
00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,200
Speaker 1: So a lot of that that what if what if?

441
00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,680
Speaker 1: I think there's more what if so Puoka than Jamar Chase.

442
00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,600
Speaker 1: But I understand Pooka over Chase completely because Pooka is

443
00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,920
Speaker 1: the offense, right you want everything to roll through him.

444
00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:12,840
Speaker 1: There's no doubt who it rolls through. It rolls through

445
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Speaker 1: Puoka Andrew do you agree with that sentiment? Where are

446
00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:15,200
Speaker 1: you at with that?

447
00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:17,639
Speaker 3: It rolls to pookaun till I get to the red

448
00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,399
Speaker 3: zone sometimes and then it's DeVante Adams and hit. Twenty

449
00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:26,359
Speaker 3: seven end zone targets this year is an absolute ludicrous number.

450
00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,639
Speaker 3: Now we'll see what Adam again, he's getting older. But

451
00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,440
Speaker 3: I would say from an argument of usage, Jamar Chase

452
00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,399
Speaker 3: has had a much better red zone role than Pooka

453
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Speaker 3: Tokua has had. I mean that was the reason why

454
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Speaker 3: I was on Chase as the wide receiver one entering

455
00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,200
Speaker 3: last year, was because this guy is leading the NFL

456
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Speaker 3: red zone targets per game. And if you look at

457
00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,920
Speaker 3: the most common theme between number one finishers at the position,

458
00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,960
Speaker 3: it's usually tied to who has the most red zone targets.

459
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Speaker 3: So I do like Chase because I think he does

460
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Speaker 3: have a little bit more touchdown equity. Not to say

461
00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,480
Speaker 3: that Pooka can't score touchdowns like I don't want to

462
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Speaker 3: say that, especially if Davante is gone from the offense,

463
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Speaker 3: but Jamont has got to be gone, Stafford's got to

464
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Speaker 3: be back. Is he gonna throw for forty plus touchdowns

465
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Speaker 3: next year?

466
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Speaker 4: Two? Maybe not so, whereas Joe h likely.

467
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Speaker 3: I think I wouldn't blink twice if Joe Burrow throws

468
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,000
Speaker 3: forty five touchdowns next year if he's healthy, and that

469
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Speaker 3: means Chase is going to catch fifteen, sixty, maybe twenty touchdowns,

470
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Speaker 3: which I think gives him a little bit of an edge.

471
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Speaker 1: Important follow up. Good on Jake Seely for asking the

472
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Speaker 1: follow up question. Let's get to Jamior gives a pick

473
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Speaker 1: number five. Walk us through picks five through eight in

474
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Speaker 1: your thought process.

475
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I go, Jamir, this is where the running backs

476
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,880
Speaker 2: come into play. There's a long list before we get

477
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Speaker 2: to wide receiver hand Tand by the way, so all

478
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 2: four of this are running backs at Jamiir Gibbs, which,

479
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,359
Speaker 2: by the way, I'll come back to it, Christian McCaffrey,

480
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,159
Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor, Davon A. Chan so gives. What I was

481
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 2: about to say is that we know Dave Montgomery might

482
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Speaker 2: not be back, which is already a plus in the column,

483
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,280
Speaker 2: and we already saw what that was like with Dave

484
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,879
Speaker 2: Montgomery essentially was getting phased out for most of the season,

485
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Speaker 2: especially when we saw Dan Campbell take over from Morton

486
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Speaker 2: over there. The thing I was going to say is,

487
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Speaker 2: if the rumors are true and this is where my

488
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Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel goes to be the OC, Jamior Gibbs one

489
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Speaker 2: oh one, like leap frogs Bjon Robinson, I will put

490
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Speaker 2: Gibbs one oh one. If Mike McDaniel ends up in Detroit.

491
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Speaker 2: That's how big of an impact that we're talking about

492
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Speaker 2: these offensive coronators. I think it would be huge. And

493
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Speaker 2: I think that if Mike McDaniel's somehow with whatever happens

494
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 2: in Atlanta ends up going there and Zach Robinson's out

495
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,679
Speaker 2: the door that just even locks in Byjon more like

496
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 2: that's the impact where we're talking about these corodinators. But

497
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,679
Speaker 2: we saw Gibbs. The only downside to Gibbs was what

498
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 2: happened at the end of the season that left the

499
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 2: sour taste in everybody's mouth who had him on their teams,

500
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 2: because it was two bad games and one good game

501
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 2: at the end of the season, and everybody forgot what

502
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 2: happened for the entire year just because that was what

503
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,159
Speaker 2: his recent memory. Could have knocked you out of the playoffs.

504
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 2: But Gibbs was amazing outside of that. Gibbs is one

505
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Speaker 2: of the top three running backs that I would consider,

506
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Speaker 2: the third being Christian McCaffrey. And I already know what

507
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 2: the pushbash for everybody's going to be. And there's no

508
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 2: convincing you, Joe, Andrew or the people that are on

509
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 2: your side, and there's no convincing the people who are

510
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 2: on my side. And Andrew's shaking his head. And I

511
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 2: had this and I didn't bring it up yesterday, but

512
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 2: all the pushback lists that everybody keeps throwing out. Here's

513
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 2: mine for you. How about the fact that Larry Johnson

514
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,640
Speaker 2: did it in back to back seasons. How about the fact

515
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 2: that Ricky Williams did it in three straight seasons. This

516
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 2: is the three seventy plus number. How about Ladanian Thomas

517
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 2: in seven straight seasons, finished as a top five running

518
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 2: back with those touches. Chris Johnson did it in two

519
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 2: straight seasons. Tiky freaking Barber did it in five straight seasons,

520
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 2: finishing everywhere from RB six to RB one, somehow finishing

521
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 2: in front of Ladanian Thomas in one year, because that's inexplicable.

522
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 2: Clinton Portis did it twice in two separate years of

523
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 2: two thousand and four to two thousand and five, two

524
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 2: thousand and seven to two thousand and eight. Aaron Foster

525
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 2: did it three straight years. Yes, there's an argument, and

526
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: there's an argument for it. There's also an argument against it.

527
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,120
Speaker 2: I'm just not going to play the game with Christian

528
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 2: mccafre because here's where I go with it. Let's throw

529
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 2: all those out, all the names that Joe listed, which

530
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 2: he's right about, all the names I listed, which I'm

531
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 2: right about.

532
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Speaker 1: For that full list by the way. You can go

533
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Speaker 1: find my Twitter post about it, or watch our video.

534
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: We had a short form funny video about it on

535
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: Fantasy on the Shorts, or go listen to that show

536
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 1: with Pat where I radled through all the Hall of

537
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: famers who had four hundred plus carries was carries more,

538
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 1: not even touches, just carries, and when they all and

539
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: the ones that did not the next year finish even

540
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: as an RB one. So I'm not going to go

541
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: through that list again. But it's a long list, and

542
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 1: it's got littered with Hall of famers to Jake's point.

543
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: But Jake, my question back to you with all this

544
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: real quick too, because there's listing those names, how many

545
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 1: of those guys were thirty when it happened.

546
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 2: Tiki Barber was all the way age through thirty one

547
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 2: the second time around, Clinton Portis was right there, Aaron

548
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 2: Foster was. I think that's the other thing of Bencaffrey.

549
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 2: It's not just now the total no touch.

550
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 1: So that's why it's gonna sety year old numbers standing

551
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: us in the face two, which my point was.

552
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Speaker 2: So let's take this because my joke in saying those

553
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 2: names is what I started with. I'm not convincing you,

554
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 2: You're not convincing me. This is so yeah. Sure, let's

555
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 2: let's throw this out. And here's where I look at it.

556
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 2: Let's say twenty percent is a pretty damn aggressive number.

557
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 1: In my opinion.

558
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 2: You take twenty percent off with Christian McCaffrey just did,

559
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 2: He's still RB five, and I can understand it. Like again,

560
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: I'm not going to convince anybody because you're you're right.

561
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: I am concerned enough that Christian McCaffrey is not my

562
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 2: RB one. Christian McCaffrey's not my RB two. He's not

563
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: top four pick. So you could argue that he should

564
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 2: still be the one because if he plays seventeen games,

565
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 2: if he stays healthy, he has nearly or has one

566
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 2: hundred receptions, again, he's gonna be the RB one again.

567
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 2: But we are factoring that risk. I factor in the

568
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 2: risk enough to push him down to six. I see

569
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 2: the argument to push him down further. But as my

570
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: point of chopping off twenty percent of his production, that

571
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: still puts him at RB five, still puts him at

572
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 2: eighteen point five Fantasy points per game, which is a

573
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 2: ridiculous number. So I get all the arguments, and this

574
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 2: is where I'm going with the next one, Jonathan Taylor

575
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 2: is so quickly everybody forgot that Jonathan Taylor was dominating

576
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 2: as the RB one even with Christian McCaffrey until Daniel

577
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: Jones got hurt. The reason he's at our seven is

578
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: because is Daniel Jones the quarterback next year? What the

579
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: Colts look like next year? They have it, They're in flux.

580
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 2: I could see an argument for Jonathan Taylor being higher,

581
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 2: and I could see an argument for eight CHM being

582
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 2: higher depending on who their offensive coordinator in their offense is.

583
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: Because we've seen ahchn just knock on that door actually

584
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: had eighteen point one Fantasy points per game. It was

585
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 2: arguably an awful Dolphin season, and he was still eighteen

586
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 2: point one. So that's why they're all here. My biggest

587
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 2: takeaway I want everybody to know of these four is

588
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: just like the what no, Just like the wide receivers,

589
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 2: you argue for any of those four not gonna be

590
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 2: like you're stupid. They would be in a tier.

591
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 1: And there's another name that's in this tier that what

592
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: am I getting to?

593
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 2: Andrew I will save There's a fifth name that's in

594
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 2: the tier, but he's the pick number nine, there's a

595
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 2: fifth name that you want to make an argument for

596
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 2: any of these five running backs, we'll save who the

597
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 2: fifth is. I'm okay with it. It's just this is the

598
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:43,239
Speaker 2: order i'd go in.

599
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,719
Speaker 1: I think my only pushback with McCaffrey to well, besides

600
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 1: all the besides all the massive data from the last

601
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: twenty five years of guys who four hundred plus carries

602
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: in the season or touches in the season and the

603
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 1: next year not finishing as an RB one or even

604
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: finishing the season is also the age of thirty. But

605
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: on top of that, it's something that you actually said,

606
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: and I think you said it almost like as a

607
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 1: as a as a caveat of positivity, which is, even

608
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: if you took away how many games was it you said,

609
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: if he took percent touches, twenty percent of his touches,

610
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 1: But what if you're taking away twenty perns of the

611
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: touches because he's missing twenty percent of the games, And

612
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: then when do those games happen? Do they happen in

613
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: the playoffs? Because he doesn't get you like he might

614
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: get you there, but he's not there at the end

615
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: of the year because he has an injury and something happens.

616
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 1: It's that that worries me. That to me, as a

617
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 1: top five pick, I can't get there with McCaffrey. But

618
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: all the things you're saying out there, Look, I was

619
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: wrong about McCaffrey going into this year. He scared the

620
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: heck out of me, with good reason. I was very

621
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: much into him at the tenth overall pick last year,

622
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: that's where he started. This time last year, it was

623
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 1: like ten, eleven, twelve, where it's like, ooh, right at

624
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: the turn, Okay, I'm in on McCaffrey. But then I

625
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: got to like five or six, and I just could

626
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: not get there. Turned out it was wrong. Turned out

627
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: he was the best guy you could have. Andrew Erickson,

628
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: who's the best guy you could have at the fifth

629
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: overall pick? Walk up through picks five through eight, because

630
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's gonna be some overlap with some of

631
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: the names here that we've already discussed and some guys

632
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: that Jake just discussed.

633
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 3: Well, before I get to my pick number five, I

634
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 3: want to share my CHRISTI McCaffrey stats.

635
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 4: Oh, I have all to share them.

636
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 3: Because we're all kind of just unloading here on CMC

637
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 3: weather pro CMC negatives.

638
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to blow in CMC ranking this early though.

639
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 3: That's well, I mean he's not in my top eight. Okay,

640
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 3: he barely stuck into my first round. He's he's a

641
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 3: number twelve spoiler. So for me, the stats that I'm

642
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 3: looking at so minors specifically to touches, not even necessarily carries.

643
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 3: But last thirteen running backs with FOURGE plus touches, only

644
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 3: one of them has been a top five running back

645
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 3: the next season.

646
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: So guys that take mentioned near like the LTS, like

647
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: LT is such an anomal LT is the reason we

648
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: have the third round.

649
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 3: Did it when he was twenty four years old, right,

650
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 3: And LT is an uber prime again special offense round

651
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 3: years well, Arian Foster again, he was a blip on

652
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 3: the radar for a couple of years.

653
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: Larry Johnson, the same thing, blip on the radar is very

654
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: different game than it is now. You don't see running

655
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: backs use the same way. And you all see also

656
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: the size speed combination now that you're getting in the

657
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: NFL some the players on defense that you were getting

658
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: back then. There was some big boys, there were some

659
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: quick guys, but the combination of the violence of what

660
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: you see now, I feel like I'm not saying those

661
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: guys that hit harder they did because the rules were different.

662
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: But I feel like it's just a very different game

663
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: from the Tiki Barber era around you know, the year

664
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: two thousand, but as thing to what it is now

665
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five.

666
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: There's an argument that you can spin any of this.

667
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 2: And that's why I said there's no convincing anybody in

668
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: this because you should say, arguing back then it was

669
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: you take RB's in the first two even three rounds

670
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: because everybody and to not finish five and only finish

671
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 2: nine back there was actually you're still top three this

672
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: year because of how different the game is. There's the

673
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: argument for that kind of workload. I mean, look at

674
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 2: how many running backs back then were three hundred plus

675
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 2: touches and then what if the cutoffs three sixty And

676
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: then you start throwing other names who did do it?

677
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 2: The cut off a three ninety like and I'm not saying,

678
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: like you know, Ericson said top five, well what if

679
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: you go to top seven? So, like the point being is

680
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: I just my biggest takeaway is you guys are on

681
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: the same side. I'm on a different side, but like

682
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: we're not convincing each other. Like I just I was

683
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: throwing numbers out to say this is why I have

684
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: him here. If you disagree with me, I'm okay with it.

685
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: But like, it's funny you said that Joe's because I

686
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: had him as fifth overall last year and that was

687
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: still too low as like to the point being, it's

688
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: like so I associated risk as not as much as anybody,

689
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: but as a factored in as well.

690
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: I think the best thing about this is, like none

691
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: of us ever talked about you're wrong or right. This

692
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: is the whole point. It's the process of debate so

693
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: that everybody else can get out there and make these

694
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: decisions as they start to put in their brain. What

695
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: the Unless you don't like Evian Ingram God love the

696
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: inside joke, then all right, so Ericson, walk us through

697
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: your five through ray picks. Here, tell me the reasoning.

698
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 4: Why I didn't get to share my stats.

699
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: You guys just stats. I thought you both thought you.

700
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: Were done that.

701
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 4: No, I said one thing, and then you guys took.

702
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: Back way too long on that.

703
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: You got to work harder.

704
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 4: Just the lep me quick with the last couple of one.

705
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: At all, I thought that was your stat the one

706
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: you threw out there.

707
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 3: No, I'm going because I we're running out of time

708
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 3: to get to my top four through or picks five

709
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 3: through eight. So running backs twenty seven older led the

710
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 3: NFL touches happened six times, zero top five finishes the

711
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 3: following season, CMC. We've already done this dance before with

712
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 3: he led the NFL and touches a couple of years ago.

713
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 3: He came back, had the calf thing and was a

714
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 3: disaster for fantasy football purposes. So this specific player that's

715
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 3: happened to and then something that's note of recent George

716
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 3: Kittle tours Achilles probably gonna miss most of next season,

717
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 3: I would bet, because it's usually a nine to twelve

718
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 3: month injury. His rushing yards this year Christian McCaffrey without

719
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 3: George Kindle lineup, he went under his rushing prop in

720
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 3: six of the seven games George Kittle didn't play in.

721
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: That's a good stat.

722
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: So that's another big thing when you come to McCaffrey

723
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 3: has that receiving with him him that is always going

724
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: to be boosting up him versus other running backs. But

725
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 3: the rushing fell off substantially he looked much more like

726
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 3: not the same type of expulsive running back he has

727
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: in years past, and that is a big concern. So

728
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 3: even from an efficiency stampo, I think that don't going

729
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 3: to be concerned about because there was a massive off

730
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 3: and how effective you as a as a rusher, as.

731
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 4: A breakaway runner, and it just wasn't the same.

732
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: I think the visual too, right Andrew that goes agree

733
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: like McCaffrey running between the tackles just didn't look like

734
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: the same guy when you get him out in space

735
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: catching the football. I agree with that, but CMC is

736
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: two years ago, different guy between the tackle.

737
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: No, No, two years ago George Tittle when he was

738
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: healthy for all sixteen games. Christian McCaffrey actually had a

739
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: downtick in the receiving game. So it could go both

740
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: ways too.

741
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: I'm just saying no, but I almost saying is like

742
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: his rush game this year, just visually he didn't have

743
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: the same burst. Oh well, nobody does at this age. Typically,

744
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: even Derek Henry's not quite the same. Like he'll have

745
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: those glimpses, but he's not always the same. It's not

746
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: what he was three four years ago. And I think

747
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: with CMCs it's visible and to Andrew's data point the

748
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: rushing props, he fell short quite a bit.

749
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: Well, maybe Vegas is too aggressive. Let's talk about why

750
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: he hates Pooka and Akua. Let's go back.

751
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about why Andrew.

752
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 3: Now we could finally on VEO picks five through eight

753
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 3: after oline coversation.

754
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: Right, that'll do it for us. Everybody's thanks for tuning

755
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: in to the show. We really appreciate you. Hanging out

756
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: with Christian McCaffrey shown to be the thing that I

757
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, you will see

758
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:30,719
Speaker 1: the biggest side ranking gap of Christian McCaffrey standards on him.

759
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: People will be people who'll be mid level and people

760
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: will be too low, too hot. Like it's gonna be

761
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: all over the map. It's gonna be really interesting to

762
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: see who's right and wrong with us. All a settle,

763
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Andrew, We'll all shut up now.

764
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Christi McCaffrey is diming in this tier For me,

765
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 3: I got Jackson Smith and Jig Pooka, Nakua, Jonathan Taylor,

766
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 3: and Cede Lamb rounding out picks five through eight. So

767
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,719
Speaker 3: js N for me, my only again, I have him

768
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: as my wide receiver too, So I guess I'm lower

769
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 3: than him compared to you guys. Just I think Kink

770
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 3: kobi Ck is gone. I don't think I think he's

771
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 3: gonna stick around. I think he's gonna become a head coach.

772
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 4: And look.

773
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: There's another opening right now. Mike Tomlin's gone from the Steelers.

774
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: We're doing this, gone to find gone, like I'm leaving.

775
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: He said, he's stepping down.

776
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: They're mutually parting ways, is what that is. Maybe he's

777
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: going to TV. Maybe he's taking a year off to

778
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: find himself going back there.

779
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: There was actually a big rumor about that that he

780
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: would potentially be interested in that.

781
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: Well, it's a much easier gig. He's so much beer.

782
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: Was getting very young, gainly.

783
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: When you get him outside of the press conference room

784
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: because the Hanton Road Youth Foundation that he does here,

785
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: and I've talked to him locally like in that kind

786
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: of setting, so much more like open and talkative and

787
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: like then he gets in those press conferences. Be really

788
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 2: interesting to see him.

789
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what do you say, if my aunt had

790
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: uncle parts, he'd be my uncle?

791
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 2: What the hell?

792
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 3: He say?

793
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: The other that was that was when I dropped the

794
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: F bomb and the other ship. I said, if I

795
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: have wheels, I'd be in F and bike. That's right.

796
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

797
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: Wow.

798
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 3: So yeah, Kubiak could be the new head coach of

799
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 3: the Pittsburgh Steelers, possibly in play.

800
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm never going to get to my picks

801
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 4: five three.

802
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 3: I mean, at this point, Joe, you should just want

803
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 3: list off your picks because there's no point in me

804
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 3: even trying to do this.

805
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 4: So JSN.

806
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, the coach Kuka Nakua Matthew Stafford potential. Does he

807
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 3: walk off into the sunset if the Rams win the

808
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 3: Super Bowl? Does he come back for another year or

809
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 3: does he just say, hey, I'm done, I want another

810
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 3: Super Bowl.

811
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 4: I'm gonna win MVP. I mean, it's kind of the

812
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 4: perfect run out I.

813
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 3: Got out before my back got worse, essentially for Matthew

814
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 3: Stafford because back as we know, as anyone that has

815
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 3: a bad back, they don't just go away. It flares

816
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 3: up here and there hasn't flared up all year, but

817
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:51,479
Speaker 3: maybe next year's little Jonathan Taylor. To Jake's point, Dude,

818
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 3: this guy finished top four despite basically tanking the second

819
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 3: half of the season. He was so out in such

820
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 3: a massive league winner at the start of the year

821
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 3: with Daniel Jones that I want to go right back

822
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 3: to him. I just have faith in Shane Stikeen to

823
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 3: figure this out with whatever quarterback. Again, basically, as long

824
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: as that's not Anthony Richardson, it seems like we can

825
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: get this offense to function with a Daniel Jones level

826
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 3: s quarterback. I think they can find somebody, whether it

827
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 3: is Jones coming off of his injury or they signed somebody.

828
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 3: There's a bunch of free agent quarterbacks. I think they

829
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 3: can find the right move and then Ceedee Lamb. Again,

830
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 3: this is kind of a placeholder giving credit to Seedee

831
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 3: Lamb is a top five Fantasy wide receiver when Dak

832
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 3: Prescott is healthy. But I do think that George Pickett's

833
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 3: coming back to Dallas would probably impact this for me

834
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 3: a little bit. And there is also a thinking in

835
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 3: the back of my mind. Again, not a lot of

836
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 3: data driven here, but Dak Prescott tends to kind of

837
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 3: go up and down in his odd even seasons. It's

838
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 3: really actually kind of funny you look at his career

839
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 3: game logs, where oh, this past year odd season, Dak

840
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 3: Prescott top five fantasy quarterback. Even seasons have been really,

841
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 3: really bad for Dak Prescott, and I think that's part

842
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 3: of just due to the fact that he's not a

843
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 3: mobile quarterback. You see touchdown regression from year to year,

844
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 3: So that would be something that I would look at

845
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 3: when it comes to Cede Lamb. So he's one that

846
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 3: is probably going to move in my rankings, but for

847
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 3: now I have him at eight.

848
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 2: If you knew Pickings was coming back, would you keep

849
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: Lamb at eight?

850
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: No, Look, I probably moved him down. Yeah, that's a

851
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: good caveat all. Right, Andrew, is there anything else you

852
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: want to say? Because I feel like we've been unfair

853
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: to you.

854
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 4: I love you, guys, We love you.

855
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: All right, I'm bad. I thought Andrew the data what happens?

856
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 2: But people talking?

857
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, can I just blame Jake? He's the worst? All right?

858
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 5: Uh?

859
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: For me? First of all, you guys are both drunk,

860
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: because this is where you're wrong. I'm on Rossain Brown

861
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 1: is not in your top five picks, and you guys

862
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: are out of your gourd, like just completely out of

863
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: your gourd. Over the last three years, he's the second

864
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: most productive fantasy wide receiver. He shows up every game.

865
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: He balls out every game. He is the main cog.

866
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 1: He is the PPR god, he is the son god.

867
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: He has touchdown equity. Jameson Williams is still a head case.

868
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: He's still not somebody can count on. Jumior Gibbs is

869
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: still all world cool. He's still going to play in

870
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: that general offense. There's gonna be some changes obviously again

871
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator wise, and leave it with a change. This

872
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: year he was still awesome. We don't deserve I'm on

873
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: Rossaint Brown, Okay, we don't. Every single year we overlook

874
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: him for the flashy new thing or the other guy

875
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: like and typically he'll go somewhere between oh, picks five

876
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: and ten. Somewhere, someone just gets a mon Rossaint Brown.

877
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: I'll take him, and next year in the Black Book,

878
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: I can assure you I'm going to be hyping him

879
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: up because I think the slander has gone too far

880
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: that there's not enough respect on his name. Again, the

881
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: base that he gives you every week of the floor

882
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: points is terrific. The upside he has for big splash

883
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: games that win you a week is terrific. He's always

884
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: taken good care of himself. He is always very reliable

885
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: to catch rates off the charts. For him, he's one

886
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: of the hardest workers in the NFL, and he doesn't

887
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: get enough credit. The fact that neither of you yokals

888
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: have him in the top five is very upsetle.

889
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 2: I just want to put that you.

890
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 4: Don't have Gibbs in your top five. That's why, well

891
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 4: next number six for me.

892
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: So well, apparently you're drug too because you don't have

893
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: Gibbs as a top five flyer.

894
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: Fantasy, Well, I can't have him an alman Ra. I

895
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 1: want to give aman Ros some love here, but but again,

896
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: did Jamir Gibbs thing to that point as well? I

897
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: love Jamir off the charts terrific. There's a chance too,

898
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: if Matthew Stafford retires, what I would do is I

899
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: put I would drop Pooka down. I would have aman

900
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: Rad go to four and jamieer Gibbs go to five.

901
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: So Pooka is at four hold and steady right now

902
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: for me. But that's gonna change dramatically without Stafford if

903
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: that is the case. If we get to that point,

904
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: Cede Lamb for me is still pick number seven because

905
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: I still do believe in Ceede Lamb. We'll see what

906
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: the pick in situation is and how that works itself out.

907
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: There's still time, Yes, do I need to adjust off

908
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: that if it does happen, if he does return, sure,

909
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: I think Pigins will return. But we'll see what happens

910
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: with that one thing at a time. Drake London is

911
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: my pick number eight. Another one too, where I want

912
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: to see where the head coach is coming from, what

913
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: that looks like, what that offense is going to run like.

914
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: But we were really close to the big like the

915
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: Drake London here I am, I'm a fantasy superstar season

916
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: and injuries kind of derailed it, but we were right

917
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: on the precipice of it, and let's see what happens.

918
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: Is it Pennix, is it somebody else? Is it complete

919
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: reworking a lot of that again, The fluctuation here of

920
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: picks seven to eight for me are real, But as

921
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: of right now today, that's my confidence level. Lamb in

922
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: London in that group, but Jamier Gibbs definitely over those

923
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: other two wide receivers. That's my feeling. Ericson why don't

924
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: you pick apart what I've just done and laid out

925
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: there too, Go ahead, I want you to ask some

926
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: more time.

927
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 3: I don't have Drake London in my round one because

928
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 3: I am more bearish about who's the head coach, who's

929
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 3: the quarterback going to be? If it is Michael Penix,

930
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 3: when is he going to come back? How is he

931
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 3: going to look like when he comes back? I mean,

932
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 3: this is the fifth time this guy's torn his acl right,

933
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 3: So how many times are we just going to go

934
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 3: back to?

935
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 4: Okay, Michael Pennix.

936
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 3: Now to your credit and to your point about Drake London, Yeah,

937
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 3: like he was the wide receiver three points per game

938
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 3: before Michael Penix went down. So those are the reasons

939
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: why I just have a little bit of hesitance putting

940
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 3: Drake London in round one because I mean, this is

941
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: this is higher than he was going in drafts last year,

942
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 3: and we knew Michael Pennis was healthy entering the season.

943
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 3: And again it is a smaller sample size, but three

944
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 3: games with Pennix at the end of his rookie year,

945
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,479
Speaker 3: Drake London and him were reviving and clicking. I would

946
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 3: say too, I could move Drake London up as well

947
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 3: if Kyle Pitts just leaves in free agency and that

948
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 3: cements Drake London as like there's really no target competition.

949
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 3: I mean, like Darnell Mooney, I feel like he's going

950
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: to be someone that is going to just be buried

951
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 3: in rankings. But I think we need to remember that

952
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure he was injured the entire season, like

953
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 3: he was probably never healthy, and he's probably much better

954
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 3: than what the tape was from this past season, which

955
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 3: was absolutely atrocious. So that's something I kind of want

956
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 3: to keep in mind. But yeah, definitely some movement for London.

957
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 3: He's someone that I have high in round two.

958
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: All right, So obviously this is where we really start

959
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: kind of deviating from each other. Thank you very much

960
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: for feeding me the word, Jake. But yeah, that's and

961
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: this is good because I think, again a lot of

962
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: this is going to evolve over time, and I think

963
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: it's a good discussion. I will stand fast though, that

964
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: alman Rat is a top five guy. I don't care

965
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: what the combination is that I want to lock that

966
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: dude in. He is in his prime. He is good

967
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: every week, he shows up every week. He's an iron man.

968
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: He's a PPR monster. Go ahead, seely, I.

969
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: Mean I was with you, like we were we I

970
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 2: was one of the highest on amar Ran Saint Brown

971
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: last year. I said on the show yesterday with Ericson,

972
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 2: a lot of people saying thank you for this, here's

973
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 2: how my draft started. And a lot of people were

974
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: a mam Ron Saint Brown, Jackson Smith and Jacob and

975
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 2: Pookinakua double starts, double taps to start when we're talking

976
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: about how we would do these type of things. So

977
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 2: I was with you on that the difference comes down

978
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 2: to and I don't know if anybody saw on the video,

979
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 2: I was counting. You have his wide receiver four Ericson,

980
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: and I have him wide receiver five. Like it comes

981
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: down to your process in the first round, Like if

982
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 2: we had our wide receivers higher, he would be picked

983
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: five or six at worst for us. And I think

984
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: that's just when it comes down to. So it's not

985
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 2: that we're so much different than you want around Saint Brown,

986
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 2: but it also comes down to me. And I'm not

987
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 2: coming for anybody when I say this, it's just I

988
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 2: have a very more when you see my overall rankings,

989
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: like I like drafting by positions. I always say if

990
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 2: you look at my overall ranks, you see mine more.

991
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: In groups like mine don't often usually go RB wide

992
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 2: receiver wide receiver RB RB. Why Like I'm like four

993
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 2: or five guys four or five guys same position because

994
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: they're tiered, They're in the same tiers. Yeah, So like

995
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: if I really wanted to nitpick and split it up,

996
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 2: I could argue a little bit higher. But that's why.

997
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: So James Cook is at number nine for me. He's

998
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: the fifth of those running backs Gibbs, McCaffrey, Taylor, a

999
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 2: chan Cook. You can make argument for any of those.

1000
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: I was going to give you your flowers to go

1001
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: back to that when I was saving it for now

1002
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 2: that I was one of the people that was arguing,

1003
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: like even if you split Cook's touchdowns in half, he

1004
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 2: would still be top ten And I still wasn't as

1005
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 2: high as you were on that, and I was still

1006
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: the wrong approach because he did.

1007
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: Everybody just kept focusing on the same thing, which is

1008
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: the touchdown aggression, which yes, but the yards went at

1009
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 1: that was the big right. But my pole point I

1010
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: kept boy making last August was what did they do

1011
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: to give Josh Allen more help and tell me how

1012
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: this offense is going to run through anybody else besides

1013
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: Allen and Cook and nobody could give me an answer

1014
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: on that, but everybody just hated on James Cook.

1015
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: So you should have been on the discussion yesterday because

1016
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 2: a big theme Ericson knows this of those shows when

1017
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 2: we recapping the NFC was there's three different teams. I'm like,

1018
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 2: pay attention to what the team was telling you. The

1019
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: Cowboys were telling us, Javonta Williams was the guy, the

1020
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 2: Bears were telling us. DeAndre Swift was the guy the

1021
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 2: Bengals were telling us, Chase Brown was the like, pay

1022
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 2: attention to what the teams are telling to your point here,

1023
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 2: they told us, hey, we're confident James Cook. So anyway,

1024
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: that's why he's in the same group for me. And

1025
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 2: then I come back to wide receiver Rashi Rice and

1026
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: mon Ron Saint. Brown is my double tap here. If

1027
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: you look at wide receiver, how flat it gets after

1028
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 2: those top three or four. These two are right around

1029
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: that fifteen to sixteen fantasy points per game. The only

1030
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: reason I don't have them a little bit higher and

1031
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: in that tier one is because the same argument that

1032
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 2: we're making for all these other teams is there's a

1033
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: big question mark, like does Dan Campbell bring somebody in.

1034
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel, I won't push am around Saint Saint Brown up.

1035
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 2: Does he bring somebody in that's going to be a

1036
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: Johnny Morton Timebell Lackey kind of situation where it's like, hey,

1037
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 2: I'm still kind of calling the play, calls man around.

1038
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 2: Saint Brown is still going to be good. He's just

1039
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: not going to get to that upper crest of the tier.

1040
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: He said, nine, Jake. That's the thing that I don't understand,

1041
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: between the Mahomes injury, the turnover, the organization potentially like

1042
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: of just you know, the cap problems they have, like

1043
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 1: all of it just seems like Regie not to mention

1044
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: Rushie Rice's myriad of issues, Like how can I can

1045
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: understand certain.

1046
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 2: Because he's Drake London on the Chiefs.

1047
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, London on the Chiefs and Mahomes isn't throwing in

1048
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: the football like I mean, Mahomes is not in September.

1049
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: We don't know that there's a chance one well, okay,

1050
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: the chance that has to cheir.

1051
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: Back on my head. But I didn't book that trip

1052
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: to Turkey.

1053
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: I'm just telling Twitter doctors and I put that on

1054
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: quotes because they're the and there's some good ones in

1055
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 2: the fantasies landscape. But like people, we trust. But I'm

1056
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 2: just telling you, like the opinions out there range and

1057
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: there's opinions out there where I've seen people talking about

1058
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 2: more positively Patrick Mahomes than more positively Melik Neighbors, which

1059
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 2: is crazy to me. I'm not a doctor, so I

1060
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: don't know Jack Didley, but I just And that's why

1061
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: Milik Neighbors doesn't make my round one is because what's

1062
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: the question there? So your valid argument. But if Patrick

1063
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 2: Mahomes isn't this is with Patrick Mahomes in play, because

1064
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 2: like I said, you were talking about eight plus star,

1065
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 2: eight to twelve to thirteen targets every single game, twenty

1066
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 2: fantasy points more often than not. That's really what it

1067
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: comes down to the Rashi Rice. If it's Patrick, if

1068
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: it's not Patrick Mahomes week one, even if if you

1069
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 2: Joe to push back on this, if I'll push back

1070
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: on myself, if you said Patrick Mahomes week five, Rahi

1071
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 2: Rice is out of the first round. Don Like that's like,

1072
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: I'm okay with that. And that's coming with the argument

1073
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 2: that Rashi Rice started with a suspension and still was

1074
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 2: super valuable. Well, that's a different ballgame because it also

1075
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: might not be Patrick Mahomes one hundred percent until week eight.

1076
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 2: What if we going down to the Chris Godwin situation

1077
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: with Patrick Mahomes the quarterback. So all that being said,

1078
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: that's why he's right there with them, Ray Sam Brown,

1079
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 2: and then I finished it out with a Marion Hampton.

1080
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 2: I know everybody's just got that one touch in that game,

1081
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 2: but that was also miss practices, miss practices, miss practices.

1082
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: We should have kind of seen that coming. But a

1083
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: Marion Hampton when the lead, Oh, by the way, guess

1084
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 2: who else is gone, Gret Roman, we might get Bell

1085
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 2: Cow Marion Hampton. And when we saw Bell call Marion Hampton.

1086
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 2: To the point that Andrew made way earlier in the

1087
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 2: show about the running backs and the drop off of

1088
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 2: these guys scoring sixteen, seventeen, eighteen fantasy points at the

1089
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 2: running back position versus what's happening at wide receiver. Maren

1090
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 2: Hampton was in the eighteen points per game range when

1091
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 2: he was the Bell Cow, and he'll have both his

1092
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: tackles hopefully back, and we potentially could just walk into

1093
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: a situation where we get the Amaron Hampton. We won

1094
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: us as a rookie, which is better than Ashton genty

1095
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 2: because of the teams that they play for. And Amaron

1096
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 2: Hampton is why he closes out my round one because

1097
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 2: that potential to get eighteen plus Fantasy points per game. Honestly,

1098
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: you know, I think there's a conversation be had where

1099
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 2: if we knew that their offensive line was healthy and

1100
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 2: we knew that Hampton was going to get Bell Cow work,

1101
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,959
Speaker 2: I put that in quotes you could argue versus Christian

1102
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 2: mccaffreck for me, because now you're talking about youth and

1103
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 2: Bell cow versus the upside, and we're the floor from before.

1104
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: As wrong as I think you are about Rice, is

1105
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: as right as I think you are about Hampton. That

1106
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: that's that's not honestly that that's that's my take on it.

1107
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: And I just I'm not going to put a top

1108
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: ten grade or even a top first round grade on

1109
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: Rushie Rice. I can't do it going into next year.

1110
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: Too many uncertainties for me. But with Hampton, I think

1111
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: you're spot on, Like I think Harbaugh is just itching

1112
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: to turn this team into a let's play deep. The

1113
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: defense is good, you know, we saw it on Just

1114
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: play the playoffs again, defense is there. It's good. The

1115
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: health of the offensive line was so bad last year.

1116
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: But I felt bad because I felt like it was

1117
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: embarrassing on the on the pregame, you know when they

1118
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: show all the names of the players and they were

1119
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: showing the PFF grades and also was like this, this

1120
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: guard is seventy thirty seven of thirty eight, and I

1121
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: was just like, oh my god, what are we doing here?

1122
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: Why are we doing this? Poor guys. Don't put the

1123
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: grades if they're that bad. We don't want to do

1124
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: that to these poor guys. They're trying their best. But

1125
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: if you get all healthy, he gets later healthy and

1126
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: you have a little bit better luck. I do agree

1127
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: with you, Like the best thing about Hampton is you

1128
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: don't have to draft him in the top ten. But

1129
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: I think he is going to finish. I think the

1130
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven first round is going to have him

1131
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: well in the top ten. So I am with you

1132
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: on that. Eericson what do you think about Hampton and

1133
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: Rice too? I think those are the controversial picks here,

1134
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: but I kind of I like one of them. What

1135
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: are your thoughts, well, I think the.

1136
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 3: Way that you phrased that last section was who are

1137
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 3: gonna be drafting at the top of twenty twenty seven

1138
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 3: fantasy drafts? I think is a really smart way to

1139
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 3: try to find the league winners.

1140
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: Right.

1141
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 3: If we'd had that conversation last year at this time,

1142
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 3: Jake would have been like, we're gonna be drafting JSN

1143
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 3: as a top five guy in twenty twenty six, and

1144
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 3: then obviously if that happens, well, they were gonna end

1145
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 3: up being a good pick when they come in rounds

1146
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 3: two and three and three. Because I really feel like, yes,

1147
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 3: the first round can be really chalky, but it's like

1148
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 3: these like early second round picks. You know, Jonathan Taylor

1149
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 3: last year, he wasn't a consensus first round pick, Like

1150
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 3: he was kind of hanging on that early second round,

1151
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 3: mid second round pick, and he ended up being like

1152
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 3: one of the best picks that you could make to

1153
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 3: start the year. So I think this is the area

1154
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 3: again outside the top eight, where these things like you

1155
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 3: gotta pick your flavor, you kind of shoot your shot here.

1156
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 3: So I love the call on a Mare and Hanton. Again,

1157
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 3: Harbaugh compared this guy to Walter Payton.

1158
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: Okay, like it's like it's like really good that you're

1159
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 1: head coach, or is historically known for saying some stupid

1160
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: things like.

1161
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: No to take him.

1162
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 3: He's not he's not calling Kamani bydel Walter Payton.

1163
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 4: So no one should.

1164
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 2: He's one of one.

1165
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: Well, okay, let you get away with that. Because most

1166
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: people were like, like, you know, they're too young to

1167
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: know and have seen Walter Payton. I am not. I

1168
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: am an old fart, and I saw Walter Payton at

1169
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: the end. I saw Walter Payton, and Walter Payton at

1170
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: the the end was still something to behold. That was

1171
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:03,479
Speaker 1: a special talent.

1172
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: But anyway, all I get to see is Omary and Hampton.

1173
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 3: That's my closest thing.

1174
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: That's all you get, all right, Andrew, finally you're showing

1175
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: some love to I'm on Ross Saint Brown at pick

1176
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: number nine, walk us through number nine through twelve here

1177
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: for you.

1178
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, despite how the show has gone, I did actually

1179
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 3: have picks to talk about here.

1180
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 4: So pick nine, I'm on Ross Saint Brown. Pick ten,

1181
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 4: Devon a Chan.

1182
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 3: Pick eleven is take one Barkley, so that's another lone Wolf,

1183
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 3: the first guy.

1184
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 2: He started watching when he started watching football.

1185
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 3: And then pick twelve, mister Christian McCaffrey. So he did

1186
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 3: sneak into my round one, but at twelve, you know,

1187
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 3: probably not going to get him again. Don't need to

1188
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 3: delve divulge more into CMC. But the guy I want

1189
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 3: to talk about here again Saint Brown. Again, I could

1190
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 3: probably flip flop him with Ceedee Lamb. So eight and

1191
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 3: nine he's gossa stell my wide receiver five. Like Jake

1192
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 3: talked about eight Chan, I do want to see how

1193
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 3: this shakes out with who the quarterback is, who is

1194
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 3: the offensive play caller. But I can't discount eight Chan

1195
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 3: out of the round one because of how good he is,

1196
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 3: and he's got a three down skill set, and I

1197
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 3: wouldn't say Miami has been this culture for or winning

1198
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 3: and we love this so much. And he's been fantastic.

1199
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 4: Since his rookie season.

1200
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 3: Just been an absolute baller and if he goes to

1201
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 3: an offense, just that feeds him touch especially in the

1202
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 3: passing game. I mean, his targets have been off the charts,

1203
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 3: especially when two has been the quarterback. So that's why

1204
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 3: he's my pick ten. And in Saquan, I'm the only

1205
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 3: one that has him here in my top in my

1206
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 3: round one and Jake has talked about this in some

1207
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 3: of the takeaway shows, where I mean, the Eagles offense

1208
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 3: entirely was bad this year. They had second half where

1209
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 3: they didn't get first downs or do anything that looked

1210
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 3: like a functional offense. So if they can get back

1211
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 3: to twenty twenty four, not the fact that obark is

1212
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 3: e gonn get back to two thousand rushing arts, but

1213
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 3: go back to Lane Johnson being healthy, the offensive line

1214
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 3: having cohesion, there's a chance that they have a lot

1215
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 3: of turnover at the skill positions.

1216
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 4: Dallas Goddard's a free. AJJ.

1217
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 3: Brown is gone, like he's not coming back to the

1218
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 3: Philadelphia Eagles, so you have Devonte Smith stepping in as

1219
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 3: a wide receiver.

1220
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 4: One.

1221
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 3: Saguon Barkley does he see more of a evolver role

1222
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 3: in the pass like he still had fifty targets this

1223
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 3: past season. He actually had more receptions this year than

1224
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 3: he did during his twenty twenty four season, And we

1225
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 3: know that it's in his repertoire where he has a

1226
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 3: diverse skill.

1227
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 4: Set of catching passes out of the backfield. So I

1228
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 4: think that Saquon.

1229
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 3: Barkley, again, I was didn't draft him on any team

1230
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 3: last year it was very strongly fading Saquon Barkley, But

1231
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 3: after being disappointment for a lot of fantasy managers, could

1232
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 3: he be twenty twenty five Jonathan Taylor where Jonathan Taylor

1233
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 3: was kind of disappointment twenty twenty four falls to the

1234
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 3: middle of the second round. But is Saquon Barkley so different?

1235
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 3: I'm not so convinced. So I like Barkley as a

1236
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 3: BILO option this year.

1237
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: I like him as a BILO too.

1238
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: I like him in this early second round a lot

1239
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: next year, depending on again health of offensive line, what

1240
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: we're looking at, and what the reshape of the offense

1241
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: looks like, and who the new play caller is, because

1242
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 1: you know, I'm getting a new play callar.

1243
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 2: I was just about to ask him, is this assuming

1244
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:54,439
Speaker 2: that Kevin Petula's gone?

1245
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: I think we can all assume that's that look AJ

1246
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: Brown's gone, Petulla's gone. Like that, I think that's pretty easy.

1247
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: Before we get concerned, I was gonna say, my one

1248
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: concern is that Lane Johnson isn't back. I mean, he's

1249
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 2: now going to be thirty five nine in a couple

1250
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: of weeks too, And I was like, maybe we underrated

1251
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 2: the loss of Kelsey and how much of an anchor

1252
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 2: he was for that offensive line between him and Lane Johnson,

1253
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: and just the impact because.

1254
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: It wasn't there last year when Barkletam was won for

1255
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: two thousand yards. So I don't think.

1256
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 2: That's the issue, but like the two of them together, yeah.

1257
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 3: Also too, I'm pretty sure they're going to get rid

1258
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 3: of like the Tush push. I think that they're going.

1259
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 3: I think the NFL is sick of it and they.

1260
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: Don't like Joshing ten yards.

1261
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 4: Was fine. I don't, I don't.

1262
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 3: I mean the NFL tried to ban it last year.

1263
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 3: It didn't pass. I think if they banned then okay,

1264
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 3: now you have an opportunity.

1265
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 2: But that was one of the team was against it,

1266
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 2: and it just works so well for them this year.

1267
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 2: So like did the Bills change?

1268
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 4: Was that great for the It also wasn't that great

1269
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 4: for the Eagles?

1270
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: What actually it was?

1271
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 5: It was?

1272
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 2: It was the option play the Gallas Goddard that all right?

1273
00:53:59,400 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 4: The option?

1274
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, eleven touchdowns this cast actor had like like combined

1275
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 3: like his entire NFL career never gets red zone touches immediately,

1276
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 3: just has like eleven and randomly, So all right, I.

1277
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,080
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00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: be a tool, use the tools at Betting Pros. All

1288
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: right here we go. Not on anyone's list here except mine.

1289
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson why because he's an extraordinary talent and I

1290
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: have seen the DeAndre Hopkins of the world, and some

1291
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: extraordinary talents make do with lesser quarterback play. I understand.

1292
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: This year was a complete show for the Minnesota Vikings.

1293
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: I get it. I understand JJ McCarthy. It felt like

1294
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 1: at times just didn't even know that Justin Jefferson was alive.

1295
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: I get it. I understand all of that. That is

1296
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 1: not going to be what happens in twenty twenty six.

1297
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I just don't whether it be somebody else

1298
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: at quarterback, or whether it be JJ McCarthy working his

1299
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: rear end off or Justin Jefferson asking to be somewhere else,

1300
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: one of these things are going to happen. And Justin

1301
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: Jefferson is still a first round talent, still a first

1302
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: round pick, and I think, no matter what happens, that

1303
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: situation is only going to improve. And even last year

1304
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: it was funny because I can't tell you how many

1305
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: questions we kept taking, should I play Justin Jefferson this

1306
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: week in Round one of the playoffs? Should I take

1307
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson in my lineup for Week two of the playoffs?

1308
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 1: So clearly these Justin Jefferson rosters were still making playoffs.

1309
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 2: Okay, so I get it.

1310
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: It was brutal. It wasn't nearly a top three pick,

1311
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: a top five pick, a top ten pick, a first

1312
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: round pick, Okay, But at the end of the day,

1313
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson is extraordinarily talented and I don't want to

1314
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: throw him out of the first round quite yet. I

1315
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: want to see what they do with the quarterback position.

1316
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: I want to see what sort of concepts they have,

1317
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: or I want to see if justin Jefferson makes no

1318
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: noise and be like, you know what, this was fun.

1319
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be a good spot for

1320
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: me going forward. We'll see Jonathan Taylor does sneak into

1321
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: my top ten. To the point the boys made earlier,

1322
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor was running like crazy man. He was MVP

1323
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: caliber before everything went down. Now, the problem is with

1324
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones returning. Was that look like, does he return

1325
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: do we get somebody else at quarterback? I don't know,

1326
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: so some question marks there. That's why he is at ten.

1327
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: James Cook at eleven for me, because again I do

1328
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: just believe that Buffalo can't do this again. They cannot

1329
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: go into twenty twenty six without some sort of wide

1330
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 1: receiver one that you can count on. Who that is

1331
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's going to be somebody, and

1332
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: it's not somebody on their roster currently, and that is

1333
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: gonna have some sort of impact. I do believe on

1334
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: James Cook, but still very close to a first round pick.

1335
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: And then at twelve for me, I've been going back

1336
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: and forth. I had him at ten, I had him

1337
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: at eleven. CMC. I'm just listening to my heart here

1338
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: and I'm listening to the data of the last twenty

1339
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: five years. He's a thirty year old running back coming

1340
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: off and he's been advancing another round in the playoffs. Okay,

1341
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: he wasn't want and done in the playoffs. He's gonna

1342
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: play again against Seattle this coming week. Here, I can't

1343
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: get there. I can't do it at the turn. Okay,

1344
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: you're force in my hand. I'm gonna roll the dice,

1345
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: which means I'm probably not gonna have a lot of

1346
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: CMC next year, which brings us to the guys that

1347
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: missed our first round. So no try McBride for any

1348
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: of us. And I think that goes to the conversation

1349
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: we had yesterday, which was there's so much good young

1350
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: talent besides McBride. Where you have Warren, you have Bowers,

1351
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: you have Pitts who look good last year. But you

1352
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: also have guys like Carold fannin junior. You have Tucker

1353
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: Kraft returning from injury, you have Colston Lovelin. There's a

1354
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: lot of talented tight end where you just don't have

1355
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: to do it. Therefore, I'm not so he didn't make

1356
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: my top first round. Nico Collins again situational We'll see

1357
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: what happens with him this offseason. Chris o'lave was terrific

1358
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: this year. Just missed it. Devon a Chan for me,

1359
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: missed it, but again I could see myself taking a

1360
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: Chan over CMC potentially, just depending on what's going on

1361
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,439
Speaker 1: with the head coach. I want to see what coach

1362
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: and what system comes in there before I put a

1363
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: chaan in the first round. Ashon Genty, I think, is

1364
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: another guy in that conversation for me and Elite Neighbors

1365
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: with a good August. If he looks good and he

1366
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: says I'm feeling good, I'm ready to go the way

1367
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs looked to me going into the season, and

1368
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: I was like, this guy looks terrific looking I was cutting.

1369
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: Malik Neighbors is a guy that I would definitely take

1370
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: in the top ten for me personally, if he looks

1371
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: good in August and he gives you the big thumbs

1372
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: up and he looks as sharp as Diggs did going

1373
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: into this past season. Jake, who are the guys that

1374
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: just missed for you that you want to bring up?

1375
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 2: Well, I'll throw Justin Jefferson out of the list. But

1376
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 2: I considered it just missed. And for me, he didn't

1377
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 2: just miss. For me, that's fine, we'll talk. We'll talk

1378
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 2: about it.

1379
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: Only the most extraordinary wide receiver talent in the league,

1380
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: and you just just just go away. JJ.

1381
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 2: Nobody cares about you anymore because wide receiver thirty five

1382
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 2: and Fantasy points per game, this matters a lot. So

1383
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 2: your argument is valid, but your arguments also like we're

1384
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 2: kind of like we're we're making our arguments, Well, what

1385
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 2: if this happens, what if that happens, Let's see who

1386
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 2: the OC is, Let's see what this is. What if

1387
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 2: the Vikings run things back to see if they have

1388
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 2: anything in JJ McCarthy. So like, h you shake your

1389
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 2: head no, because we're all like, oh, I think even

1390
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,919
Speaker 2: if they do, I don't think it can be as bad.

1391
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 2: I think this is the anomaly or really to set

1392
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 2: up Oh absolutely, what what in Justin Jefferson the last

1393
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 2: couple of years playing with Sam Darnold and Josh Johnson

1394
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 2: and then Kirk Cousins and all these other guys like

1395
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 2: we'll be with JJ McCarthy. He didn't play with JJ McCarthy,

1396
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 2: And that's a big factor. JJ McCarthy. The only reason

1397
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 2: he actually even was wide receiver thirty five and fantasy

1398
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 2: Pointsberg game is because of one arm Wentz. If it

1399
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 2: wasn't for warm arm Wins, he'd be outside the top

1400
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 2: forty five. That's how bad it was. So I understand

1401
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 2: your argument. I'm just saying I will talk about him.

1402
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm not gonna have any justin Jefferson until

1403
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 2: that situation changes, and by that point it might be

1404
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 2: too late because I'm not even considering around two the

1405
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 2: people who just missed Drake London, which is again, this

1406
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 2: is what we're doing. Like you know, you want to

1407
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 2: make your arguments, who's the quarterback, who's the OC. There's

1408
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 2: just a lot of questions with the Falcons. Where again,

1409
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: this reason why I go back to be Jon Robinson

1410
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 2: is because no matter what happens at quarterback, no matter

1411
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 2: what happens with OC, Bejehonn's gonna Bejon. It comes down

1412
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 2: to what are those pieces look like? So Drake London

1413
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,919
Speaker 2: could get his way back into the first round both

1414
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 2: Cowboys just because I played the actually think that Pickens

1415
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 2: gets franchised and if anything, he's back, and then Pickens

1416
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 2: and Lamb are both just outside the first round early

1417
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 2: second round. For me, you want to make an argument

1418
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 2: for the first round, I have no problem with it.

1419
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 2: But I actually think there's an argument that you can

1420
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 2: make for Pickens over a Lamb if he's back, just

1421
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 2: because of the touchdown equities point that Erickson made earlier.

1422
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 2: So anyway, those are why those are both there and

1423
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 2: running back. It really just comes down to I guess

1424
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 2: the biggest name missing is going to be the one

1425
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 2: that Ericson brings up. I don't see speaking in another

1426
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 2: situation that it should be better, question mark. I don't

1427
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 2: know how much better it can get to get Ashton

1428
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 2: Genty into the first round, like we already had him

1429
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 2: at the end of the first round this year. Like,

1430
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: I don't know how you can get it back into

1431
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 2: the first But I'll let Ericson because we cut them

1432
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 2: off so many times talk more about why no Ashton

1433
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:02,919
Speaker 2: Genty into the first round?

1434
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Genty. To me, it's look if the situation

1435
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 3: can just get better, right, that's the only thing. Because

1436
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 3: he did everything else that we wanted to do. He

1437
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 3: caught passes, he played on all three downs. He basically

1438
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 3: was seeing ninety percent snapshare rehemoster it's a free agent,

1439
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 3: so and he looked explosive and he was breaking tackles.

1440
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 3: So really it was all about just the Raiders in

1441
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five being so terrible that really held Ashton

1442
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 3: genty back and still put over thirteen hundred yards from

1443
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 3: scrimmage like objectively a really good rookie season, but the

1444
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 3: fact that he was drafted in the first un of

1445
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 3: fantasy drafts made him kind of like a bus which

1446
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 3: was just unfortunate. So we'll see what the Raiders can do.

1447
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 3: I could see a scenario where, however, they addressed the

1448
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 3: quarterback position just I mean, if they can just get

1449
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 3: the offensive line figured out a little bit here, getting

1450
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 3: cold Toller back and healthy. If they can do those

1451
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 3: types of things, you could see this goal from a

1452
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 3: weakness to a strength. They're into your offensive line because

1453
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 3: we know that eshten genty is gonna get touches. He

1454
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 3: was six and touches this past as a rookie, Like

1455
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 3: he can handle a full workload and he's really explosive,

1456
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 3: So I could see him moving up, But obviously that

1457
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 3: depends on what the Raiders do on their Obviously, again

1458
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 3: I agree with Jake, where right now you got to

1459
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 3: take Hampton over Gent, and it's a similar type of bet,

1460
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 3: except we're way more confident that the Chargers already have

1461
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 3: the guys that are good on the off line.

1462
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 4: They just have to come back and get the help.

1463
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 3: The Raiders theoretically need to get these players somehow, some way,

1464
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 3: whether it through the draft or you know, free agency

1465
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 3: making trades. So Hampton, to me, I think definitely is

1466
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 3: the guy that I want to move up the most.

1467
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,439
Speaker 3: After we kind of talked about the first round, which

1468
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 3: is good, another great exercise, you know, picking your guys'

1469
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 3: brains and figuring out, well, maybe I'm a little bit

1470
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 3: too low and I'm on the right side Brown, I

1471
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 3: guess I can push him ahead of CDMs. So I'm

1472
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 3: already kind of making some updates here because now my

1473
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 3: rankings are already coming into form here on January thirteenth.

1474
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:48,479
Speaker 3: Will definitely never change at any point.

1475
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to one thing that I've learned though

1476
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: from this process, I want to pick at the turn

1477
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: in every draft. I want to start Ashton Gent Molakue Neighbors.

1478
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: I want to start James Cook and you know, and

1479
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor if I can or whatever ends up getting

1480
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: out like that I think the turn is where the

1481
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: massive value is going into twenty twenty six because this

1482
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: is a very deep group. And you know, or Justin Jefferson,

1483
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: who wasn't even the guys right cards at all, You're

1484
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: gonna give it to me in the second round the

1485
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: beginning of the second round, okay? Cool? Like? And you

1486
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of people that will take trade

1487
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: McBride first round or late first round, early second round.

1488
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: And guess what, that's another guy that will bump some

1489
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: other talent into that back the front end of the

1490
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: second round too. That will be huge values potentially, Oh,

1491
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 1: Marion Hampton being one of those guys too, like the

1492
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: sweet spot ten eleven, twelve, I think at twenty twenty six.

1493
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: Last question, then we getting out of here because we

1494
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: went long today because we're having a good conversation. Will

1495
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: any rookies crack the first round in twenty twenty six

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01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: in our fantasy dress? I say, hard no, not with

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Speaker 1: this class. Andrew, what do you say?

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Speaker 4: I don't think after what Ashton gend did last year

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Speaker 4: and that people are.

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Speaker 3: Gonna be like, all right, let's put this other rookie

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Speaker 3: running back here in the first round. I think that,

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Speaker 3: and I don't think that that's like the right reason

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Speaker 3: to do it. To the point about Genty, it was

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Speaker 3: about him just being on the Raiders. That was the

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Speaker 3: reason he was a bust, not because he was a

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Speaker 3: rookie per se. So but I would also agree with

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Speaker 3: you that it's a.

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Speaker 2: No for me, Jake, And that's where I say that

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Speaker 2: it could possibly be a yes because we have another

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Speaker 2: Genty talent level in Jeremiah Love. So Jeremiah Love ends

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Speaker 2: up on the Chiefs the Cowboys as they go away

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Speaker 2: from Javont Williams. Again, Like again, we're talking about landing spots.

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Speaker 2: But you know, if Love goes to the Saints in

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Speaker 2: the first round, then no, Like it really just comes

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Speaker 2: down to it. So that's where I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: definitively I'm definitely not definitively saying no. I'm also not

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Speaker 2: definitively saying yes, because it's going to depend on where

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Speaker 2: Love goes. But Love would be the only name I

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Speaker 2: think can enter this conversation because he is of the

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Speaker 2: ilk of at Ashta genty A, Saquon Barkley and down

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Speaker 2: the list of all these names talent wise, if he

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Speaker 2: hits in the right spot.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like New Orleans isn't a

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Speaker 1: bad spot, to.

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Speaker 4: Be honest, you like we goo dadall's going there.

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Speaker 1: All right? So I'm sure nothing will change with this

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Speaker 1: show from now until talking first, But uh, what'd where

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Speaker 1: would you see? Where would you take all the above

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Speaker 1: players here? What's your first round? Drop your first round?

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Speaker 1: You're one through twelve in the YouTube comments. I want

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Speaker 1: to see them there because I think this is a

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Speaker 1: fun conversation and hopefully we all had some food for

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Speaker 1: thought here. Some of the players were too high on,

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Speaker 1: channel and of course where we get your podcasts as well.

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Speaker 1: That'll do it for us. But the story of the

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Speaker 1: game goes on for Andrew Erickson and Jake Sealey from

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