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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do lots of interesting stories that are breaking

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Speaker 1: this morning. So Mitch McConnell freezing again, what the hell

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Speaker 1: We've also cut a little bit of a pod save

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Speaker 1: We've got some new economic numbers that are looking pretty dire,

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Speaker 2: to right now, what is the biggest news? Senator Mitch McConnell,

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Speaker 2: the leader of the GOP in the United States Senate,

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Speaker 4: Here for election free short, here's what are.

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Speaker 5: Your thoughts on the point?

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I had a hard time here here. That's okay.

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Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on running for reelections twenty twenty?

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Speaker 4: Its what I'm on follog for about what running for

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Speaker 3: Senator running for re election in twenty twenty six? All right,

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry you all were gonna need a minute.

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Speaker 6: David Camer's gonna have some bait on the campaign trail

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Speaker 2: People can't freak out. It's bipartisan problem. You got the

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Speaker 1: With McConnell, I don't know what the political backstory is,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these people are just complete egomaniacs. It's completely insane.

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Speaker 2: Let's go and put this chart up there, just to

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Speaker 2: We've talked about it since about how after Jim Crow ended,

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Speaker 2: This is both an irresponsibility on their part, but some

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Speaker 1: Let me draw that on a little bit, because you

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Speaker 3: It's really a failure of democracy.

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Speaker 1: And so it's not an accident that when you have

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Speaker 1: And what you bring up with the McConnell election is

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Speaker 2: That's right, and unfortunately it has another regretful situation, which

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Speaker 4: It's hard.

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Speaker 2: Where do they get this line from?

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Speaker 2: It's hard to keep up with an eighty one year

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Speaker 2: all he's got He's like, just watch me, just watch me.

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Speaker 2: It's like, dude, people do watch you. That is why

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Speaker 1: he does have accomplishments that he can point to in office.

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Speaker 1: He can point to the Chips Act, he can point

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Speaker 1: to the Infrastructure Act, he can point to the Inflation

439
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Speaker 1: Reduction Act. You know, he can point to the Packed Act.

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Speaker 1: There are things that he can point to that he's accomplished.

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Speaker 1: And so you can say, like, listen, whatever his workday is,

442
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Speaker 1: look at the results. That's what really matters. I think

443
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Speaker 1: that's probably their best argument. But to gaslight everyone and

444
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Speaker 1: think we're gonna believe like, oh, we can't even keep

445
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Speaker 1: up with him, please, Like we can see, we're not idiots.

446
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Speaker 1: We can see what's in front of our faces. And

447
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Speaker 1: we also have tons of reporting about how, you know,

448
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Speaker 1: he gets up late and they don't schedule things in

449
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Speaker 1: the morning. But then also they don't schedule things in

450
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Speaker 1: the evening, and we see the vacation schedule, we see

451
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Speaker 1: the beach schedule, we see all of these things. So

452
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Speaker 1: don't just straight up light I mean, this is like

453
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Speaker 1: a Sean Spicer level like, oh no, actually, the crowd

454
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Speaker 1: was way different than what you say. That's like that

455
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Speaker 1: level of live because we can all see the reality

456
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Speaker 1: of what you know, what he is at this age,

457
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Speaker 1: at this point, like you.

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Speaker 2: Said on the schedule, I would be willing to forgive

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Speaker 2: the nine am, you know, nine thirty ten am start

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Speaker 2: times if this was a man like Bill Clinton actually

461
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Speaker 2: famously stayed up until like two or three in the morning,

462
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Speaker 2: used to talk on the phone, and then he wouldn't

463
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Speaker 2: start to stay until like nine or so. But you

464
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Speaker 2: can't have it both man. You can't be starting your

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Speaker 2: day at ten and then ending in at four. It's

466
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Speaker 2: one of those where like there are white collar workers

467
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Speaker 2: who are working harder than Joe Biden apparently in terms

468
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Speaker 2: of their hours. And look, all of this would be

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Speaker 2: quite reasonable for an eighty one year old private citizen

470
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Speaker 2: who has like a side gig retirement thing going on,

471
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Speaker 2: but it's not whenever you have one of the most

472
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Speaker 2: demanding jobs in the entire on all of planet Earth

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Speaker 2: with stress and then all of our fates writing on

474
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Speaker 2: his good judgment. So that's why I thought it was

475
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Speaker 2: important put these two things together, where we are just

476
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Speaker 2: being gas lit and lied to by the a's, by

477
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Speaker 2: the people themselves too, the level of ego that all

478
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Speaker 2: of them have. And you know, we can't let ourselves

479
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Speaker 2: off the hook, like part of it is on us,

480
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Speaker 2: part of it. We're the ones who allow this to

481
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Speaker 2: happen over and over again. We've got it's not you know,

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Speaker 2: Trump too, it would be one of the oldest presidential

483
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Speaker 2: candidates ever except save for Biden running against him. I

484
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Speaker 2: don't know what it is. They have this congenital need

485
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Speaker 2: recently to just keep electing these people to office. We

486
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Speaker 2: have no shakeup of the system. And it's not look

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Speaker 2: it's it's both. It's bidirectional. It's the establishment.

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Speaker 8: Awesome.

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Speaker 2: But some of it too, is like if people genuinely

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Speaker 2: wanted to change, I think it would happen, and I

491
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Speaker 2: don't know why to so much. So many of us

492
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Speaker 2: just sit back and let it.

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Speaker 3: We'll love with no choices.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, think about like the Democratic primary

495
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Speaker 1: that doesn't exist right now, right I just pretend like

496
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Speaker 1: no one's running against him, they don't host debates, and

497
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Speaker 1: then you know it's the fascists are at the door, which,

498
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Speaker 1: by the way, I mean I am very much of

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Speaker 1: the opinion that Biden is vastly superior to Trump my

500
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Speaker 1: you know, personal political belief, based on what he's accomplished

501
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Speaker 1: with regard to the economy, based on him getting out

502
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Speaker 1: of Afghanistan, and so you you know, voters are left

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Speaker 1: feeling like I got no other option. And that's how

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Speaker 1: you end up in this situation. You play that out

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Speaker 1: in district, district after district, state after state, level after

506
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Speaker 1: level across the whole country, and yeah, that's how you

507
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Speaker 1: end up with this situation. Well, it's sick, it's not right,

508
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Speaker 1: it is not right, and it is a real sign

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Speaker 1: of national decline. Speaking of our current president trying to

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Speaker 1: get re elected, there's a bit of a freak out

511
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Speaker 1: happening among the Podsave bros. It's been a lot kind

512
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Speaker 1: of ongoing, but there's a new memo or substack post

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Speaker 1: from one of them, Dan Pfeiffer, about the fact that

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Speaker 1: right now, even with all the Trump indictments, even with

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Speaker 1: this all living through four years of Trump, and even

516
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Speaker 1: with them having a fricking thirty percent.

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Speaker 3: Approval rating being hated by like a majority of Americans,

518
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Speaker 3: they're tied. They're tied.

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Speaker 1: If you look at the polls Biden Trump tied. So

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Speaker 1: he dug into some of the numbers and is like,

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Speaker 1: what the hell is going on here, Let's put this

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Speaker 1: up on the screen because it was actually very interesting analysis.

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Speaker 1: The headline here in his substack is called the message box.

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Speaker 1: Why the twenty twenty four race is neck and neck

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Speaker 1: right now? Despite ninety one felony charges, Trump is within

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Speaker 1: a point of Biden. Here is why, And there were

527
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Speaker 1: really two primary reasons that he points to. One of

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Speaker 1: them you can see they're up on the screen. He

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Speaker 1: says Trump is holding more of his twenty twenty voters

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Speaker 1: than Biden. Trump is holding on to about ninety one

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Speaker 1: percent of twenty twenty voters, according to He's using the

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Speaker 1: New York Times Siena most recent poll. That's what he

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Speaker 1: dug into here for his numbers. So Trump is holding

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Speaker 1: on to ninety one percent of his votes from twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Biden is only holding on to eighty seven percent of

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Speaker 1: his votes. Now, that may not seem like a big difference,

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Speaker 1: but when you remember how close that election was and

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Speaker 1: how it came down to, you know, not that many

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Speaker 1: votes and just a handful of states, that difference can

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Speaker 1: be everything. The second piece that to me is probably

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Speaker 1: even more important. For why Trump and Biden are tied

542
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Speaker 1: right now is because of Biden's incredible decline and deterioration.

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Speaker 3: In support among young people.

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Speaker 1: So he, you know, at the beginning, he won young

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Speaker 1: people overwhelmingly in twenty twenty. At the beginning of his presidency,

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Speaker 1: he actually had very high approval rating among young voters,

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Speaker 1: So it's not like they just you know, have hated

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Speaker 1: Biden from the start. On the contrary, at the beginning,

549
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Speaker 1: his highest approval ratings by generation were among young voters.

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Speaker 1: That is completely flipped Fifer rights. Young voters are not

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Speaker 1: yet as on board with Biden twenty twenty fours they

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Speaker 1: were last time around. According to Pew, Biden won voters

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Speaker 1: under thirty by twenty four points in twenty twenties. It

554
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Speaker 1: was not close, but he's only winning them now by

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Speaker 1: ten according to that New York Times poll. Now, what

556
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Speaker 1: he goes on to say is it's not that a

557
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Speaker 1: bunch of young and youngish people are deciding to support Trump.

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Speaker 1: They are just checking out of the election. Nine percent

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Speaker 1: of eighteen to twenty nine year olds say they will

560
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Speaker 1: not vote if Biden and Trump are the nominees. Sixteen

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Speaker 1: percent of thirty to forty four year olds are either

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Speaker 1: planning to vote for a third party candidate or not

563
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Speaker 1: vote at all. Again, it's not that they're you know,

564
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Speaker 1: in love with Trump flocking him and droves. That's not

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Speaker 1: what's happening. They're just disgusted with both of their choices,

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Speaker 1: and so they're saying, I'm either going to sit it

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Speaker 1: out or I'm going to vote third party. And you know,

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Speaker 1: Cornell West is running for the Green Party nomination, so

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Speaker 1: they're going to have other options there.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, you know when you read it. Actually,

571
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Speaker 2: this is why I thought we really should take some

572
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Speaker 2: dive into this is because not only is it significant,

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Speaker 2: but like as cringe as the pot save gros have been,

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Speaker 2: these people did win two elections, right. Dan Peiffer was

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Speaker 2: a communications director for Obama, and nobody is a bigger

576
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Speaker 2: critic of Obama than me. I could give it to

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Speaker 2: you all day, but they got the American people to

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Speaker 2: buy what they were selling, you know, sadly for the

579
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Speaker 2: rest of us. And they were good at politics. So

580
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Speaker 2: whenever you listen to their indictment really of the Biden

581
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Speaker 2: campaign and why none of them supported him even in

582
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Speaker 2: the first place. There's a reason nood Obama himself famously said,

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Speaker 2: you know, nobody never underestimate Joe's the ability to f

584
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Speaker 2: things up. And in here what they point to specifically

585
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Speaker 2: is Trump's strength, his ability to hold on to many

586
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Speaker 2: of his voters, which always has been his strength, really

587
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Speaker 2: from the beginning of the twenty sixteen primary, but then

588
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Speaker 2: the very tenuous coalition that elected Joe Biden, of which

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Speaker 2: we even said and saw very early on in his presidency.

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Speaker 2: The slimmest margins deny you victory once again, the suburban

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Speaker 2: middle class people. These people are all over the place.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes they're amt Romney Republicans, sometimes the Democrats. Depending on

593
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Speaker 2: the vibe, they'll vote Democrats. Sometimes they'll vote for their

594
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Speaker 2: local Republican. But they love Gretchen Whitmer, and they also

595
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Speaker 2: love people like John McCain. Who the hell can them out?

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Speaker 2: All right, So let's put them. Those are the people

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Speaker 2: who really added into the White House. But then you've

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Speaker 2: got the diminishing returns there amongst Latino voters, You've got

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Speaker 2: diminishing turnout amongst Black voters, and the young voter piece

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Speaker 2: is really key. I think one of the reasons why

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Speaker 2: he's pointed the young voters, because the drop off is

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Speaker 2: so immense. If you see just a nine percent reduction

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Speaker 2: or that that's it. You can kiss Georgia goodbye. You

604
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Speaker 2: could kiss Arizona goodbye. Even in Philly. I mean places

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Speaker 2: like Philadelphia, Detroit, in Michigan, Wisconsin, Milwaukee. Urban turnout in

606
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Speaker 2: some of these places, which does rely on people who

607
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Speaker 2: are disproportionately younger, that made some major difference. And when

608
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Speaker 2: we're talking about some forty thousand votes across these three states,

609
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Speaker 2: you just lost yourself the election in twenty twenty four

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Speaker 2: quite easily. So they are not wrong to point at this.

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Speaker 2: And I think that the smarter and the sober ones,

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Speaker 2: people like Harry Enton and people like five for who

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Speaker 2: can the very least be honest. But like we're in

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Speaker 2: real trouble right now. I mean Trump right now, he's

615
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Speaker 2: doing better than he did in twenty twenty against Biden.

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Speaker 2: Biden has got very very serious work to do.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 2: I'll give the counter side. I think abortion is still

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Speaker 2: the dark horse, and there's a reason why the Biden

620
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Speaker 2: campaign and the DNC beat it to shrey, beat it

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Speaker 2: to death. Every word the third word out of their mouth.

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Speaker 2: It's like noun verb and abortion. That would be my

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Speaker 2: strategy too, That's all I would talk about. It's very,

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Speaker 2: very possible there's a silent pro choice vote out there

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Speaker 2: that would either keep people at home who are pro

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Speaker 2: choice who still can't like Biden, or just fortually come out,

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Speaker 2: hold their nose and vote for him. But I honestly

628
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Speaker 2: think that's the only thing that could save him at

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Speaker 2: this point.

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Speaker 1: Well, if we look at the special elections that have

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Speaker 1: happened this year, and I think it was five thirty

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Speaker 1: eight that crunch these numbers, Democrats have outperformed the expected

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Speaker 1: partisan lean of these districts that have had elections this

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Speaker 1: year by ten points, right, And it's basically because of abortion.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you see a really clear, you know, in

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Speaker 1: Ohio on issue one, even though it wasn't even directly

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Speaker 1: about abortion, it became tied up in this you know,

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Speaker 1: pro choice pro life debate, and even in a state

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Speaker 1: like Ohio that is pretty reliably we're right at this point,

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Speaker 1: overwhelming victory for the pro choice side, and turnout through

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Speaker 1: the frickin' roof.

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Speaker 3: You know, they had turnout that was.

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Speaker 1: Like it was a gubernatorial election for this random ballot

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Speaker 1: initiative at a random time during the year, because it

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Speaker 1: is that energizing and so, yeah, that is what the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party is banking on.

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Speaker 3: And you know, given the fact that they.

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Speaker 1: Aren't really putting for an affirmative agenda, given the fact

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Speaker 1: that there were accomplishments I think at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration, which by the way, is also why

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Speaker 1: young people were happier with him at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: the administration. You know, that seems to have been put behind.

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Speaker 1: They're not really pushing anything forward right now. They're just

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Speaker 1: banking on, Hey, we will make sure that things don't

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Speaker 1: get worse in terms of abortion, we will make sure

656
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Speaker 1: that things don't get worse in terms of climate. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I think the economic picture right now is

658
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Speaker 1: another undertold story of why young voters are not feeling

659
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Speaker 1: the Biden love. There's a lot of celebration from the

660
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Speaker 1: White House about the low unemployment rate and you know

661
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Speaker 1: about some of the more positive economic numbers, but people

662
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Speaker 1: are not feeling it, especially people just coming out of

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Speaker 1: high school or college, trying to get in the workforce,

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Speaker 1: trying to get imagine ever being able to own a home.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk some more about the economic numbers

666
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Speaker 1: later in the show. They're not feeling it. They're behind

667
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Speaker 1: where their parents' generation was in terms of like basic

668
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Speaker 1: benchmarks and life milestones, in terms of, you know, getting

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Speaker 1: yourself on a pathway to some sort of middle class stability.

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Speaker 1: There's also a lot of concern about climate and while

671
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Speaker 1: at the same time as they passed Inflation Reduction Act,

672
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Speaker 1: which has some positive movement in terms of climate change,

673
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Speaker 1: they also are literally pumping more oil than like we ever.

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Speaker 2: Have in history.

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Speaker 1: They have just broke what was previously the Obama record,

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Speaker 1: by the way for oil drilling. So you know, it's

677
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Speaker 1: not like young people are enamored with the climate agenda.

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Speaker 1: But the other thing I would say is even the

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Speaker 1: specific policies aside, there has been so much contempt and

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Speaker 1: so much disdain for young Americans and their candidates and

681
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Speaker 1: political ideology. I mean, just think of the treatment of

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders supporters in twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, like

683
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Speaker 1: how many years can you get away, which is basically

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Speaker 1: like constantly shitting on a generation before they're like, yeah,

685
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you don't want me here, then I'm

686
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Speaker 1: not going to be here. So I think that level

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Speaker 1: of contempt that has come from the White House and

688
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Speaker 1: from the Democratic establishment is taking a toll here as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially amongst young Democrats. It would make the most

690
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Speaker 2: amount of sense. I listen, I mean with the young voters,

691
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Speaker 2: they are going to try and save themselves. Go and

692
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Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen. Much to my

693
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Speaker 2: own chagrin, it appears that quote Biden administration is moving

694
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Speaker 2: to loosen weed restrictions. They're going to try and deschedule

695
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Speaker 2: marijuana to Schedule three of entirely removing it from the

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Speaker 2: Controlled Substance Act. The HHS has apparently made a recommendation

697
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Speaker 2: to the DEA that they move marijuana down to a

698
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Speaker 2: Schedule three substances would change in the way that it

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Speaker 2: is federally handled. Schedule three drugs are categorized as quote

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Speaker 2: having a moderate to low potential for physical or psychological dependence.

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Speaker 2: That includes drugs like ketamine and testosterone. This is after

702
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Speaker 2: a federal review of marijuana research by the HHS. The

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Speaker 2: executive action that we'd previously seen about the pardons and

704
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Speaker 2: all that was kind of a prelude to some of this.

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Speaker 4: What wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: Michael Moore, who would always say that this is one

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Speaker 2: of the first things that Biden should do in order

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Speaker 2: to reduce turn out.

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Speaker 3: That sounds right.

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Speaker 2: I believe he was, so. I guess we'll give political

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Speaker 2: credit to mister Moore. He has always said that this

712
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Speaker 2: was one of the easier ways in order to get

713
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Speaker 2: younger people to come and vote. But I'm curious what

714
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Speaker 2: you think, Crystal descheduling from one to three doesn't seem

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Speaker 2: to ring the same as a legalization for marshaling younger voters.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, just to be clear, I mean number one.

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Speaker 1: So two things are true. This is a big deal.

718
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Speaker 1: It's one of the most significant changes to drug policy

719
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Speaker 1: that has really happened in our lifetime. So it is

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Speaker 1: really significant. The difference between Schedule one and two drugs

721
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Speaker 1: and Schedule three drugs is significant. Now it is still

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Speaker 1: considered a controlled substance. It is still illegal, and so

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Speaker 1: they're not decriminalizing it. But Schedule one and two drugs

724
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Speaker 1: face really onerous regulations. Schedule one drugs are effectively illegal

725
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Speaker 1: for anything outside of research. Schedule two drugs can be

726
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Speaker 1: used for limited medical purposes with the DEA's approval, for example,

727
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Speaker 1: through a license for prescriptions, and then Schedule three drugs,

728
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Speaker 1: the restrictions around them are a lot more lax. It's

729
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Speaker 1: a lot lower priority in terms of enforcement. And you'll

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Speaker 1: recall that Biden had previously pardon a lot of low level,

731
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Speaker 1: basically marijuana drug users as part of this push.

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Speaker 4: Because this he.

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Speaker 1: Launched this review before the midterms, which also is another

734
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Speaker 1: tell that this is sort of seen in very explicitly

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Speaker 1: political lens, which listen, I mean, I certainly support it,

736
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Speaker 1: So whatever if it's a cynical move or not, I

737
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Speaker 1: really don't care.

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Speaker 3: I think it's the right move.

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Speaker 1: It was insane to have it as a scheduled one truck,

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Speaker 1: like you even have to acknowledge, so as a Schedule

741
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Speaker 1: one drug with like you know, the hardest, most addictive

742
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Speaker 1: substances you can imagine, is completely insane. Alcohol and tobacco,

743
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Speaker 1: which are way more addictive than marijuana, aren't part of

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Speaker 1: the Controlled Substances Act at all.

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Speaker 3: They're not on any of these schedules.

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Speaker 1: Now, if you were just to evaluate them based on

747
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Speaker 1: their medicinal purposes and based on their addictive qualities, they

748
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Speaker 1: would probably be Schedule one. But there's specific carve outs

749
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Speaker 1: thanks to you know, cultural standards and industry lobbying for

750
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Speaker 1: those two substances, so it was always insane to have

751
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Speaker 1: marijuana as a Schedule one drug.

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Speaker 3: That was completely crazy.

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Speaker 1: Activists are really happy, obviously with this move, but it's

754
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Speaker 1: worth remembering that this is not decriminalization. They quoted one

755
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Speaker 1: in this political piece that said rescheduling cannabis from one

756
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Speaker 1: to three does not end criminalization, It just rebrands it.

757
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Speaker 1: People will still be subject to criminal penalties for mere possession,

758
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Speaker 1: regardless of their legal status in a state level medical program.

759
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Speaker 1: But you know, this is something it's not just young

760
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Speaker 1: people at this point, Like the American people are overwhelmingly

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Speaker 1: in favor of decriminalizing marijuana, Democrats and Republicans.

762
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Speaker 3: It's a bipartis issue. It's one of those issues.

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Speaker 1: Where the movement on this in my lifetime has been

764
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Speaker 1: really astonishing and quite extraordinary. But it is a particular

765
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Speaker 1: you know, it's seen as a real issue for young people.

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Speaker 1: And then the other piece that I would point to

767
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Speaker 1: is the movement on student loan debt. You know the

768
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Speaker 1: fact that there was any effort to cancel student loan

769
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Speaker 1: debt obviously that most directly impacts young voters. Courts struck

770
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Speaker 1: it down, they're trying to do some workarounds, they're taking

771
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Speaker 1: it back to the courts. In the meantime, they've got

772
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Speaker 1: these what is ending up to be actually very complicated,

773
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Speaker 1: but student loan debt repayment plans that are based on

774
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Speaker 1: your income to try to ease the burden and make

775
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Speaker 1: it easier to get forbearans, et cetera, et cetera. So

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Speaker 1: that's the other very explicitly aimed at young people. Move

777
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Speaker 1: But you know, does marijuana even rescheduling marijuana and trying

778
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Speaker 1: to do something maybe theoretically possibly in the future on

779
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Speaker 1: student loan debt relief, I don't think it probably up

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Speaker 1: for the fact that you have this economic landscape that

781
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Speaker 1: continues to be very difficult for this generation. I think

782
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: that's kind of the key driving factor if I were

783
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: to say, and the evidence I would cite for that

784
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: is the fact that at the beginning of this administration,

785
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Speaker 1: when war was being done and checks were being cut

786
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: and people were you know, benefiting, so hopeful, people felt, yeah,

787
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Speaker 1: there was there was action that actually materially benefited people,

788
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Speaker 1: and all of that has been stripped away, and now

789
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Speaker 1: people are like racking up credit card debt and kind

790
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Speaker 1: of hopeless about how this is all going to work out.

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Speaker 3: That's really your biggest problem.

792
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Speaker 1: But you know, rather than changing the substance of that,

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Speaker 1: which would be very hard, they're doing other things, which

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Speaker 1: again I support, but it's probably not going to be sufficient.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll see. It seems the American people are united

796
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Speaker 2: in ruining concerts and city streets to make it so

797
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Speaker 2: you can't go anywhere without smelling weed. Right here in Washington,

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Speaker 2: can see.

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Speaker 3: Figer's got a very get off my line.

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Speaker 2: I need to. I need to, I honestly, I need

801
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: to move out. I need to just go to some

802
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 2: like deep red state where there's no weed, because there's

803
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Speaker 2: nothing you can if.

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Speaker 1: You move and walk down the Saint George County where

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Speaker 1: I live, you'll be fine.

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Speaker 2: You will never scof Why do people need to ruined

807
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Speaker 2: public parks with weed? I mean, I realized this is

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Speaker 2: a whole other coments.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's get took of young voters.

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Speaker 1: This is I really enjoyed this so apparently randomly both

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Speaker 1: Vi Vike Ramswami and Pete Bodhagic, who some of us

812
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Speaker 1: have sort of compared them politically as like Forvike being

813
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Speaker 1: like the Republican Pete for a variety of reasons. Apparently

814
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Speaker 1: they were both at the same Hardball College Tour event

815
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Speaker 1: in two thousand and four and got selected to ask

816
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Speaker 1: questions when they were, you know, in college or just

817
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Speaker 1: out in college or whatever. This is why the internet

818
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Speaker 1: is so beautiful that these clips just emerged. Let's take

819
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Speaker 1: a listen to young Vivake and young Pete asking their questions.

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Speaker 8: Here refend schrupton.

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Speaker 2: Hello, I'm vivic and I want to ask you.

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Speaker 9: Last week on the show we had Senator Kerry, and

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Speaker 9: this week and the week before we had Senator Edwards.

824
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Speaker 9: And my question for you is, of all the Democratic

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Speaker 9: candidates out there, why should I vote for the one

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Speaker 9: with the least political experience.

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Speaker 7: Well, you shouldn't because I have the most political experience.

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Speaker 7: I got involved in the political movement when I was

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Speaker 7: twelve years old, and I've been involved in social policy

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Speaker 7: for the last thirty years. So don't confuse people that

831
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Speaker 7: have a job with political experience.

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Speaker 5: Who else, Congressman, why are you the only presidential candidate

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Speaker 5: not attending tomorrow's euth orinswered Rock the vote for him?

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Speaker 8: And do you think young people's what's matter in your campaign.

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Speaker 2: They matter a lot.

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Speaker 4: That's why I'm here tonight.

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Speaker 1: So Sager corrected me. They're not literally the same of it.

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Speaker 1: They were there a week apart. Okay, one was asking

839
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Speaker 1: Reverend Sharpton. Obviously they're a question. The BIGS question is

840
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Speaker 1: also funny because he's asking why should I vote for

841
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Speaker 1: someone with no political experience?

842
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Speaker 3: He has no elected experience.

843
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Speaker 2: Copy'all show.

844
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Speaker 3: I thought sharpone a good answer there, to be honest

845
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Speaker 3: with it.

846
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Speaker 2: I can't stand Al Sharpton any even that was a

847
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Speaker 2: decent answer.

848
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Speaker 1: Well, now, I am not saying this, yere, but many

849
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Speaker 1: are saying that this is proof that both of them

850
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Speaker 1: are Cia.

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Speaker 3: You're saying. I'm not saying it. I'm just reporting to

852
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Speaker 3: you what others on the internet are saying.

853
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Speaker 2: And I'm somewhat more stupithetic because what I read in

854
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Speaker 2: the two of them is that they were deep political nerds.

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Speaker 2: And I was a political nerd just like that, who

856
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Speaker 2: also attended said political events when I was twenty one

857
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Speaker 2: years old, So you know, I get it at a

858
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Speaker 2: certain level. It was a crazy time, Crystal. It was

859
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Speaker 2: November two thousand and three. We just invaded Iraq nine

860
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Speaker 2: to eleven. Shit was wild, you know. So it's like

861
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Speaker 2: you want to go to an event and you want

862
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Speaker 2: to make your voice heard. I will say Rock the Vote,

863
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Speaker 2: My god, Like, what a cringe worthy effort in order

864
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Speaker 2: to get young people to vote. If you do, you

865
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Speaker 2: remember that entire remember, Yeah, it was horrible. That's up

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Speaker 2: there with like the Dare campaign and stuff that should

867
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Speaker 2: have remained in the two thousands.

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Speaker 3: I have an affection for it, nostalgic affection.

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Speaker 2: There's like West Wing episodes about how like Rock the Vote,

870
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: like that's how you anyway, there's so much more to

871
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 2: say about that Rock the Vote. As a former Rock

872
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: the Vote T shirt owner, I don't know exactly where

873
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: that went. Probably should have died. The point is, I

874
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 2: think with these two is that you can see deep

875
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: political ambition interests in all that very very early on, yeah,

876
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 2: in their careers. And I think, you know, that's probably

877
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 2: one of the fairest critiques that always was of Pete

878
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: buddhaj Edge, of Ramaswami and others, is that people find

879
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 2: those who are so politically ambitious at such an early

880
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 2: age honestly repellent. I mean I went to George Rushion University.

881
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 2: Everybody liked that everybody there was like that, including me.

882
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 2: That's going back and looking back in myself. You know,

883
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: you gotta be honest, you have to be self reflective

884
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 2: kind of like who you are and where you fall.

885
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: And it's one of those where most people don't want

886
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: to most people do not want a politician to be

887
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 2: the guy who wanted to be student council vice president

888
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: when they were like fourteen years Yeah, and it's just

889
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: very clear like that's what these two guys did. I

890
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: will say it is kind of interesting the two paths

891
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: that they took, because Ramaswami eventually not only went to

892
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 2: law school but became a biotech entrepreneur and as a

893
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 2: New Yar billionaire. Where Buddha Jedge took the much more

894
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: like traditional path of the PMC served in Afghanistan, you know,

895
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 2: like went over there for like six maybe reserves like

896
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: all that other stuff. He did much more of a

897
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: traditional like box check for a democratic politician, moved back

898
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 2: to a small home in a very benevolent move, became

899
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 2: the mayor.

900
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 8: You know, all of that.

901
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: Where Viveg it almost seems like took a u turn.

902
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: He like went into the business world, made more money,

903
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 2: you know, made enough money for the rest of his

904
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 2: entire life many other lifetimes, and then came back to politics,

905
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: which seemed to be looks.

906
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: For Republicans that would be more of a traditional But

907
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: I don't know if he went down biotech lank because

908
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: you want to be in politics, he probably is just

909
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: like I mean, you probably just want to make a

910
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: ton of money, which is fine. Clearly, I think clearly

911
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 1: both a lot of ambition from an early wait your point,

912
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, it reminds me of a comment that Steve

913
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: Bannon actually made I think about Marco Rubio a.

914
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 3: While ago that I thought was very evocative.

915
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, Trump is different because he wasn't

916
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: like Marco Rubio with his hair blow dryed in his

917
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: briefcase at the RNC when he's fifteen years old. And

918
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: that's kind of the vibe you get from both of

919
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: these guys at the event.

920
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 3: It is also interesting to.

921
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: Chart their like political trajectory. Pete, by all accounts, when

922
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: he was young, was actually more of like a Bernie

923
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: Sanders social Democrat, and then because of the path of

924
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: ambition within the Democratic Party leads you to being just

925
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: like a died in the Wole neoliberal. That's where he

926
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: ends up. And then favk Is, you know, I don't

927
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: know what his political.

928
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 3: Path has been.

929
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: It seems like he was kind of a liberal at

930
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: that time and then he becomes a really hard libertarian

931
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: and now he's adopted like social conservatism and as more

932
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: of a traditional conservative, but also still holds these very

933
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: hard libertarian values in terms of economics, especially with regards

934
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: to the Fed and monetary policy and things like that.

935
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: He's very much like a Ron Paul guy with regard

936
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: to the Fed. So in any case, it's funny that

937
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: they were both there.

938
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, yeah, And I really don't know what to

939
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 2: say other than it's like it's a pretty clear look

940
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: into how a lot of these people are. And you

941
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: know a lot of politicians are like this. Joe Biden,

942
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: you know, is one of those guys always wanted to

943
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: be president. It's like a red flag. And sometimes when

944
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 2: you look back anyone who's obsessed with student government, Bill

945
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 2: Clinton was president of I believe it was George Shown

946
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 2: for freshman class or a student body president. Yeah there,

947
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 2: So you know, the ambition is deep.

948
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: People really they really prefer candidates that it feels like

949
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: even if It's not true that it feels like.

950
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 3: They were like dragged to power.

951
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: It is a It is a you know, uncomfortable feeling

952
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: to look at someone and be like, oh, from the

953
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: moment that you were aware, you were like envisioning yourself

954
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: taking the oath of office in the mirror, you know.

955
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: But I think the reality for almost all these people

956
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: is that they've been They've had these ambitions for a

957
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: long time. Every guy navigating to try to figure out

958
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: where they should land to be to get there.

959
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 2: Every guy thing is so important. That's one of the

960
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: It was a real I think about it a lot

961
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 2: in terms of the two thousand and four race where

962
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: w famously I'm not sure if you ever won student

963
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: body president, but I think he was the social chair

964
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: of his fraternity at Yale, and it was like the

965
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,479
Speaker 2: social chair versus somebody like Carrie. Who look again, Carrie

966
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: was like lusting after power from very early on. He

967
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 2: was obsessed with the fact actually had the same letters

968
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 2: as JFK. You know, turned himself into a Vietnam like

969
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: anti war acted. I'm not putting down his service, but

970
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: he very clearly used it for his political ambition than

971
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: at the time. Afterwards, whenever he returned. And it's like

972
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 2: that the two contrasts to America, it was very clear

973
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 2: people like the social chair vibe. Yeah, they liked the

974
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 2: I want to have a beer vibe.

975
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 3: I mean, ironically, like George W. Bush was a Bush.

976
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'd been his family had raised him to try

977
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 1: to be president.

978
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 3: It's about it's about yeah, it's but the vibes were

979
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 3: more like, Oh, I'd like to have a beer with you.

980
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: Even you're the son of like this incredibly wealthy, incredibly

981
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: powerful political family over generations and generations, and you've literally

982
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: been like molded into this little political animal. But because

983
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: he was able to pull off the everyman vibe.

984
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 2: He you know, I mean Carrier Track vote. It's not

985
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: like Carrie was what like came from nothing. It's like

986
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: he also married into a half a billion dollar Hinz

987
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 2: fortune and started windsailing and taking up he was. So

988
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: that's the idea that he was JFK. And you know,

989
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 2: it came to a he did not have even close

990
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 2: to the gravitas of JFK. But second, it's like when

991
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 2: you put that up, especially in the modern political environment,

992
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: that stuff is not going to work. So my advice

993
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: to Ramaswami puta jedge and any you know, future kid

994
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: who was like me, was doing cringeworthy stuff like this

995
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: is don't do it. Actually you really don't want to.

996
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: If that's something that you have any if you have

997
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: any hope of going forward.

998
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: In policy, my advice would be it's okay to do it,

999
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: but like have some core of like principles and values

1000
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 1: and ideology that you actually because that's also comes through

1001
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: if like I think about Combla where she was changing

1002
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: messaging depending on the seasons, trying to like, you know,

1003
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: have a brainstorming strategy session about what her core values are.

1004
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: Like that comes off where it's one thing to have ambition, Listen,

1005
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: we all have ambitions in different directions whatever. It's another

1006
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 1: thing that your only ambition is about your ambition. It's

1007
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 1: not about doing anything. It's not about a greater good,

1008
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: it's not about any sort of value you want to

1009
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: put forward in the world.

1010
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 3: People can really see that, and it irks them. It

1011
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 3: really irks them.

1012
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to a next story. This is a

1013
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 2: very important one. Reporter Ken Clippenstein has been staying on

1014
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: this and has actually uncovered some really crazy data. Let's

1015
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 2: go ahead and put this up there on the screen.

1016
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 2: The FBI is hoovering up DNA at a pace that

1017
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 2: rivals China and currently owns twenty one million samples and counting.

1018
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,760
Speaker 2: One of the reasons I actually found the story especially

1019
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: fascinating is it details the byzantine laws which the FBI

1020
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: is using both in loopholes and also explicitly to gain

1021
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 2: more DNA samples from American citizens at a faster pace

1022
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: than ever before. He writes, quote that the FBI aims

1023
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: to nearly double it's currently fifty six million dollar budget

1024
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 2: for dealing with the DNA catalog with an additional fifty

1025
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 2: three million dollars per year for its budget request of

1026
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 2: fiscal year twenty twenty four. In an April twenty three

1027
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 2: statement to Congress, the FBI revealed that the significantly expanded

1028
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 2: DNA processing requirements of the FBI, and we're collecting some

1029
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 2: ninety thousand samples per month. Some of this crystal is

1030
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: based upon federal law where there is a database of

1031
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 2: the combined DNA index system that goes across all fifty states,

1032
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 2: which stipulates that originally, just if you were a violent

1033
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: or a sexual offender, they were going to take a

1034
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 2: DNA sample for you for reference in the future. That

1035
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: eventually was then lay lowered down to like the misdemeanor

1036
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 2: level of crime. It eventually got to the point where

1037
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: if you are now even a person of interest in

1038
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 2: a crime, even if you've ever been convicted in a crime,

1039
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 2: that you can have your DNA legally obtained. And is

1040
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 2: now expanding to the point where even in airports and

1041
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 2: in ports of entry, they are hoovering up DNA samples

1042
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 2: and basically through a quasi legal loophole, are expanding this

1043
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 2: with no recourse, no like, no due process about the invasion,

1044
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 2: you know, invasive privacy nature of any of this that

1045
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: rapidly expands that they can just do it and do

1046
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 2: with this data for whatever purposes that they want. Don't

1047
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 2: forget there was I forget which it was, the Golden

1048
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,919
Speaker 2: State Killer. I want to say, who they the serial killer?

1049
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: Who they were able to find him decades after he

1050
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 2: had committed his last crime, and he was a horrible

1051
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,720
Speaker 2: serial killer to be clear. Where they checked his past

1052
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 2: DNA against open databases of like ancestry dot com, of

1053
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: like people who had submitted samples. They were able to

1054
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 2: obtain like a search warrant or whatever for these and

1055
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 2: were able to connect it back to him via a

1056
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 2: semi distant relative of his who had submitted their DNA

1057
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 2: to one of these ancestry websites, which raised a lot

1058
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 2: of questions. You know, I'm not saying it wasn't good

1059
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 2: that we caught him. I think it's great. You think

1060
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 2: he'll die in jail, and that's good, especially recourse for

1061
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 2: his victims. But it really opened my eyes that particular

1062
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: case where I'm like, wow, man, I mean, the the

1063
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: way that they are able to use this, It doesn't

1064
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 2: just implicate you. I mean if they even have a

1065
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: very distant relative or whatever of yours, they can quite

1066
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 2: easily use that should they ever want to in any

1067
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: of these types of scenarios. Very creepy when you start

1068
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: to think about it.

1069
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot to say about this.

1070
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: First of all, your comments about how where this started

1071
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: and where this ended up really illustrates the problem the

1072
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: slippery slope with the security state. So it starts in

1073
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: a place that basically everyone would support, like sex offenders

1074
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: were taking their DNA, right, We're going to track this,

1075
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: We're going to keep track.

1076
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 3: Of it to try to protect the public, and it would.

1077
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: Be it'd be very hard to find a person who

1078
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: could be like, no, you're not going to do that,

1079
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: but you start in this place that is one hundred

1080
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: percent justifiable, and that would have broad public support.

1081
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 3: And then over the years, it.

1082
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: Just expands and it expands, and it expands, and it

1083
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: expands and it expands. And another thing that comes out

1084
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 1: of this is part of why their DNA tracking and

1085
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: database has really exploded in recent years, not all of

1086
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: but part of why is because under Trump, there was

1087
00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: an order to start collecting the DNA information of undocumented immigrants.

1088
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 1: So this program starts under Trump at the time, because

1089
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: it's Trump, it's very controversial. Well guess what now Biden's

1090
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: in office, He's kept the same order in place, and

1091
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 1: no one says sit about it. So it just continues

1092
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 1: to expand. The other piece of this is now, obviously,

1093
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: you know, the technology has gotten much better. It's become

1094
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: much easier and much faster, with a lot less resources

1095
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: expended in order to catalog and identify DNA. So as

1096
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: the technology actually we have a quote from this article

1097
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: that makes this point exactly. They say the database is

1098
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: likely to continue proliferating as DNA tech becomes more sophisticated.

1099
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: Pointing to the advent of environmental DNA, which allows for

1100
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: DNA to be collected for ambient settings like waste water

1101
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: or air, goes on to say, just by breathing, you're

1102
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 1: discarding DNA in a way that can be traced back

1103
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: to you. So as the technology becomes more sophisticated and

1104
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: more seamless, you can expect this program only to expand further.

1105
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: There's been an effort to increase the budget around collecting

1106
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: and tracking and storing all of this information. And you know,

1107
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: on the what people would say on the other side is, hey,

1108
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: you pointed to the Golden State serial killer. Isn't it

1109
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: good that we were able to identify this person and

1110
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: bring them to justice after all of these years?

1111
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 3: Isn't that a good thing? Of course it is.

1112
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: But it's also important to keep in mind number one,

1113
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: that on the other side of the ledger is the

1114
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: millions and millions of completely innocent people who now the

1115
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: government has all of this personal, private information about that's

1116
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: number one. But number two, DNA hasn't even been that

1117
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: effective overall in terms of identifying those who committed crimes

1118
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: and prosecuting them. Ken writs in this piece, DNA has

1119
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: played an important role, but less than five three percent

1120
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: of the profiles have assisted in cases. By comparison, fingerprints

1121
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: collected by the FBI from current and former federal employees

1122
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 1: linked them to crimes at a rate of twelve percent

1123
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: each year, according to testimony from the Bureau back in

1124
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, when fingerprint technology was far less sophisticated.

1125
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 1: Location being that it probably is an even higher match

1126
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:03,959
Speaker 1: rate at this point.

1127
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 3: So, you know, it's really troubling.

1128
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: Our own intelligence agencies raised a lot of justified questions

1129
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: and concerns about the rate at which China was hoovering

1130
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: up all of and tracking all of this DNA information

1131
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: from their own citizens. And it turns out we're doing

1132
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: the exact same thing at the exact same pace and

1133
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 1: rate and size.

1134
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 3: And scope and scale.

1135
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the creepy part too. About how about the

1136
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,439
Speaker 2: way that it's collected. And one of the important things

1137
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: to underscore about what we said is, you know, we

1138
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 2: have this idea from TV and from movies that it

1139
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 2: is used, you know, to great effect in many cases,

1140
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: and it is in some murder and rape investigations, but

1141
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 2: the vast majority of crimes and stuff don't entail those.

1142
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 2: Those are actually quite rare, you know, on a macro scale.

1143
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 2: So then it comes to the question of like, well,

1144
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 2: what are we going to do with all this, and

1145
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 2: also to what end, you know, in the future. I've

1146
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 2: told the story before about how, you know, I entered

1147
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 2: into the United States from Mexico. I was coming in

1148
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 2: through port of entry, and even though I'd never signed

1149
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 2: up for Global entry and I'd never you know, given

1150
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 2: any facial recognition or whatever, my face was used in

1151
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: a pilot program by the CBP or yeah, I think

1152
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 2: it was the CBP when I was re entering the

1153
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 2: United States and I had never consented to any of this,

1154
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 2: and they're just straight up using facial recognition software. I mean,

1155
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 2: it's one of those where like what I'm like, I

1156
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 2: never asked for this. Wait, you know, if they can

1157
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 2: do this here, what is persopping them from doing the

1158
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,959
Speaker 2: entire country? The answer is nothing, you know, in terms

1159
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 2: of whatever, especially when you're coming back in. This is

1160
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 2: just where it's so direct because you're looking directly into

1161
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 2: the camera. How many times are you on camera? And

1162
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 2: then somebody is scanning your face. Again, Look, you can

1163
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 2: make a reasonable case or like what you don't think

1164
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 2: we should have that for everybody comes to the country.

1165
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 2: I don't know all right, but you know, at the

1166
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: very least like there needs to be some actual transparency

1167
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 2: and investigation or oversight into this. Because when you just

1168
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: start collecting vast DNA samples of your entire population to

1169
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 2: basically no end, and you have this readily accessible to

1170
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: law enforcement, you know, with what they need in order

1171
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 2: to tap it. Are we making sure they're proper safeguards

1172
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 2: and all these things in place? You're real just one

1173
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: step away from a very bad situation where this data

1174
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 2: is used for nefarious purposes.

1175
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 3: And it happens, and.

1176
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 1: It expands with no notice, little debate, no explanation to

1177
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: the American people of what the pluses and minuses might be,

1178
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: what the risks and what the benefits are. It just

1179
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: happens and from you know, a small program really targeted

1180
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: to you know, basically as much information in data and

1181
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 1: DNA as they can possibly get their hands on over

1182
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: the course of you know, several decades.

1183
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 3: That's how we see the size and scope of the.

1184
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 1: Security state just continue to creep and creep and creep

1185
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: across administrations.

1186
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 3: This one is truly bipartisan.

1187
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: Right, happen under Trump, happened under Bid, and I'm sure

1188
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: happened under A. Bombs certainly happened under George W.

1189
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 3: Bush.

1190
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: It's the the uniparty is really involved in this expansion

1191
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: and very very little scrutiny of it ever. So you know,

1192
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: kudos to Klippenstein for doing this kind of reporting, exposing

1193
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: to all of.

1194
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 3: Us what is actually going on here.

1195
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, So, We've.

1196
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: Got some economic numbers that we wanted to bring you

1197
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: this morning, starting with the housing market, and let me

1198
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: give you a little bit of context here before I

1199
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: put the first article up on the screen. I mean,

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00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: obviously we all know how expensive homes are, both in

1201
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: terms of the sticker price and in terms critically of

1202
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: the mortgage interest rate that you have to pay. And

1203
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: of course the higher the mortgage rate is, the more

1204
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: important it is to have a big down payment, so

1205
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: you're paying down some of the principles so that you're

1206
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: getting hit with less of that mortgage interest rate, so

1207
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 1: it's less critical, even though it still makes this huge difference. Well,

1208
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 1: in this landscape, if you are a young person trying

1209
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 1: to buy a house, good luck and one of the

1210
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: only ways they're able to pull this off and put

1211
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 1: this up on the screen, because we've got new numbers

1212
00:56:54,840 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 1: now to back this up. For under thirty homeowners intent,

1213
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: so forty percent rely on family money to cover their

1214
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: down payment on that property. So basically, if you're under

1215
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 1: thirty and you want to get a house, you got

1216
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: to have mommy and daddy with cash in the bank

1217
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: ready to pony up your down payment, or you can

1218
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: forget about it. Now this obviously has huge implications for

1219
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: generational wealth, has huge implications for just like the story

1220
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,479
Speaker 1: we tell ourselves in this country about the American dream

1221
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: about how anyone can aspire to this level of middle

1222
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,479
Speaker 1: class prosperity and with the house and the white picket

1223
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: fence and the family, et cetera. I mean, the new

1224
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: story of our economy is if mommy and Daddy aren't

1225
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: underwriting it, you can forget about it.

1226
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 2: That what really came through from this with the amount

1227
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 2: of people who are doing this is we talked previously

1228
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 2: about the wealth transfer and how a great wealth transfer

1229
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 2: that's happening right now is really from elder from boomers

1230
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 2: who are either aging off and are dying or are

1231
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 2: already preemptively transferring helping out their elder Millennials have entrance

1232
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 2: to the homeowner market or asset ownership. And because asset

1233
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 2: ownership at an earlier point and allowing it to appreciate

1234
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 2: their course of your life is a single best way

1235
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 2: in order to attain wealth in this country, the ability

1236
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 2: then in order to access that tap of wealth is

1237
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 2: so important. And if the only ability is to have

1238
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 2: well off parents, well you're in a real tough situation

1239
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 2: if you don't even have that. And you know, the

1240
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 2: problem is is I was even reading more recently about

1241
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 2: how high interest rates have made it so that people

1242
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 2: are disproportionately finding it harder in order to get a mortgage.

1243
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 2: The reason why is that the bank can earn off

1244
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 2: of straight up deposits five or six percent or whatever

1245
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 2: from the federal reserve or from T bills. So you

1246
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 2: better be a pretty damn good lender or a damn

1247
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 2: good borrower if you are actually going to be an

1248
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 2: attractive asset for them in that way, then it's even

1249
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 2: harder today to actually qualify. Specifically, I was reading for

1250
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 2: a jumbo mortgage because the competition for your business has

1251
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 2: just gone way down in the era of a high

1252
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 2: interest rate environment. On the one hand, that could be

1253
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 2: a good thing. It means that you know, people aren't

1254
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 2: getting access to loans or whatever that they can't pay.

1255
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 2: But it's really difficult if you're a younger person, yeah,

1256
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 2: and you have to prove your ability in order to

1257
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 2: pay in the future, or if they knock you down

1258
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: in the price of house and the only way that

1259
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: you're even able to come to the price where you're

1260
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 2: living in an urban market or whatever is to have

1261
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 2: the signature of a parent. What if your parent didn't

1262
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 2: do that, well, what if you're self made, what if

1263
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 2: your first generation college graduate, yeah, or any of those,

1264
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 2: It puts you in a very very significant disadvantage for

1265
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 2: your whole yeah, for your whole life.

1266
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: And it really creates these hard class lines that it's

1267
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: like whatever station you were born into, that's what station

1268
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: you are likely to remain, regardless of how you you know,

1269
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: how well you do in school and you play by

1270
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: the rules and you do all the things that you're

1271
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: supposed to do. If you don't have mommy and daddy

1272
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: able to stroke you a check for your down payment,

1273
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: it will be very hard for you ever to get

1274
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: on that home ownership ladder, especially if you live in

1275
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: one of these, you know, very expensive metro housing markets.

1276
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: Just to give you a little bit more of the

1277
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: data here, this was from a survey by Redfinn and

1278
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: they found that twenty three percent of homeowners under thirty

1279
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: used a cash gift from family members to cover their

1280
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: down payment. Another twenty one percent used inheritance money. So

1281
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: that's where you add those numbers together, you get forty

1282
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: four percent who are using either you know, money from

1283
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 1: family member or some sort of inheritance to be able

1284
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: to achieve home ownership. And so you know, it really

1285
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: does kind of cut to the core of what we

1286
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: think about how this country should work and the upward

1287
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: mobility that should.

1288
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 3: Be available to people.

1289
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 1: They've coined this term NEPO home buyers to refer to

1290
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: young people who are relying on family money in order.

1291
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 3: To get on this property ladder.

1292
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: But increasingly this is the only way that young people

1293
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: are able to achieve those milestones. And at the same time,

1294
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: there's other numbers that are coming out about how difficult

1295
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: that can landscape is for a lot of people. In

1296
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: spite of some of the headline numbers that look pretty

1297
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: good of low unemployment rate and all of these things.

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Speaker 1: But if you dig into those numbers even an inch,

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Speaker 1: you see how much pain there is out there in

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Speaker 1: the economy. Let's go and put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: This is in some ways one of the most critical

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Speaker 1: indicators of how people are actually doing this. From the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post, they say, delinquencies rise for credit cards and

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Speaker 1: auto loans, and it could get worse with interest rates

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Speaker 1: going up, more consumers have misspayments on household debt. Put

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Speaker 1: this next graph up on the screen because you can

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Speaker 1: see really clearly.

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Speaker 3: What's going on here.

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Speaker 1: Over the past two years, really, you've seen the number

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Speaker 1: of delinquencies for all types of debt, whether it's consumer loans,

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Speaker 1: credit cards, or auto loans. You see those numbers significantly

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Speaker 1: spiking and heading an upward direction. This track's very closely,

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Speaker 1: of course, with the end of the pandemic era programs

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Speaker 1: that helped people get through the pandemic, that provided people

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Speaker 1: with a little bit of cash in their bank accounts,

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Speaker 1: and it coincides with a Federal Reserve policy of hiking

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Speaker 1: interest rates that of course makes all of that debt

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Speaker 1: so much more expensive and so much more difficult to

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Speaker 1: pay off. Let me just read you a little bit

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Speaker 1: of this article and then Getsager's reaction. They say, more

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Speaker 1: Americans are falling behind on their car loan and credit

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Speaker 1: card payments than at any time in more than a decade,

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Speaker 1: troubling signal of consumer stress as higher prices and rising

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Speaker 1: borrowing costs are squeezing household budgets. The pain, of course,

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Speaker 1: they say, is most acute for lower income earners, who

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Speaker 1: have largely used whatever they managed to save during the

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Speaker 1: pandemic with the help of government stimulus, checks and breaks

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Speaker 1: on obligations such as rent and student loans. They've got

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Speaker 1: a quote here from Mark Sandy, who's chief economist at

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Speaker 1: Moody's Analytics. The increase in delinquencies and defaults is symptomatic

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Speaker 1: of the tough decisions these households are having to make

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Speaker 1: right now whether pay their credit card bills, their rent,

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Speaker 1: or buy groceries. So when you have inflation that has

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Speaker 1: cooled some but still has goods, especially like critical things

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Speaker 1: that people have to buy much higher prices than they

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Speaker 1: were previouate prior to the pandemic, you have the end

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Speaker 1: of pandemic era programs, and you have interest rates going up,

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Speaker 1: making all of stats so much more expensive. You end

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Speaker 1: up with a really dire landscape such as US.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're looking at it and it's just clear

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Speaker 2: that we're going right back to the days of the

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Speaker 2: post Great Recession, which was actually some of the worst

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Speaker 2: days in modern US economic history. I don't think you

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Speaker 2: can really write it off. It was so horrible. It

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Speaker 2: was one of those where we didn't realize how bad

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Speaker 2: it was at the time because we had just gone

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Speaker 2: through the Great Recession. But that is really when people

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Speaker 2: got completely wiped out, and it really is reminiscent of

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Speaker 2: the Great Depression. The worst of the Great Depression was

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Speaker 2: not nineteen twenty nine, it was four It was five

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Speaker 2: years in because at that point you have the compounding poverty,

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Speaker 2: you have the compounding inability to get housing, compounding inability

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Speaker 2: in order to catch up, and that's when stuff really

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01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 2: just starts to break, and that's when a lot of

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Speaker 2: people just gave up the either exited of the workforce,

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Speaker 2: became permanent renters. That's also with zero interest rates. When ever,

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Speaker 2: the billionaire class and the core corporations really got richer

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Speaker 2: than ever and started especially accelerating financialization, So this is

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Speaker 2: a really bad place to be to have consumer debt

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Speaker 2: and all of that basically return to twenty twelve levels,

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Speaker 2: except at that point there was at least some zero

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Speaker 2: interest rate stuff going on that was juicing the broader economy.

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Speaker 2: Now we don't have either of that. We even have

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Speaker 2: a reduction in overall earnings, and our growth is generally anemic. So,

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Speaker 2: I mean, this just looks everything just feels very nineteen

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Speaker 2: seventies right now.

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Speaker 1: I was seeing shocked by the average credit card interest

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Speaker 1: rate that they have in here. It's twenty point six percent. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what was record high, twenty point six percent. So

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Speaker 1: it just shows you when you get behind on those

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Speaker 1: credit card bills, or if you're having to rely on

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Speaker 1: credit cards in order just to make ends meet, how

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Speaker 1: quick you can get behind and you know, basically have

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Speaker 1: no prayer of ever paying that off. At twenty point

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Speaker 1: six percent, I mean, that is really high, and that's

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Speaker 1: just the average. I means a lot of people have

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Speaker 1: rates that are a lot higher than that. They also

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Speaker 1: point to something we covered before, which is that total

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Speaker 1: credit card debt just topped a trillion dollars for the

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Speaker 1: first time ever, and I didn't know the statistic. There

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Speaker 1: are seventy million more credit card accounts open now than

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Speaker 1: just back in twenty nineteen. I mean, that wasn't that

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Speaker 1: long ago. Americans have opened up seventy million more credit

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Speaker 1: account card accounts in that time with these high interest rates.

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Speaker 1: And then the other thing that we're seeing is that,

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Speaker 1: you know, we've had the rise of these buy now,

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Speaker 1: paid later.

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Speaker 3: Services.

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Speaker 1: If you go on any basically consumer website, they have

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Speaker 1: these options where you can pay for things and installments,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. The importance of those services has also been rising.

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Speaker 1: They say usage surged forty percent forty percent in the

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Speaker 1: first two months of twenty twenty three. So it shows

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Speaker 1: you that people are really struggling just to buy things

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Speaker 1: like groceries, other necessities, pay their rent, et cetera. They're

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Speaker 1: having to lean on debt that has now very high

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Speaker 1: interest rates in order to get that done, and they

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Speaker 1: are really squeezed in spite of you know, any of

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Speaker 1: the celebratory type top line numbers about unemployment being low,

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Speaker 1: et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these are the numbers that matter the most. And

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Speaker 2: things were better, you know, a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 2: and now they're getting bad and they're all on the uptick.

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Speaker 2: So this is the single biggest problem crisis facing people,

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Speaker 2: the ability to keep up with everyday life. And let

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Speaker 2: me just echo away he said, Please do not go

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Speaker 2: into a crazy amount of credit card like that debtless

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Speaker 2: unless you really are in a bad situation. Twenty percent

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Speaker 2: interests that is, you know, that is horrible because that's

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Speaker 2: five months and you basically doubled. I mean, what are

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01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 2: you gonna do? And you know, especially if you can't

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Speaker 2: make your minimum payments or any of that. So look,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm not gonna tell anybody how to live.

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to beg people. Don't find yourself in

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Speaker 2: that situation. I got friends and people in my life

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Speaker 2: I know who are in that situation. It becomes overwhelming

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Speaker 2: and all encompassing. In you could blink an eye and

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Speaker 2: watch it all just quadruple triple or something like that,

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Speaker 2: and then you just feel helpless. You don't know what

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Speaker 2: to do. So try not to put yourself in that situation.

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Speaker 2: People were finding themselves in there in order to make

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Speaker 2: general ends meets. I get it. I don't know what

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Speaker 2: else you can do. You know, it's a real failure. Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's go to the final one here, fun stuff CNN Plus.

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Speaker 2: Of course, you know we dance on the grave here

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Speaker 2: for rightful purposes. We still are, by the way, the

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Speaker 2: owners of that proud CNN nft of the first moments

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Speaker 2: of CNN plus what they described as the most historic

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Speaker 2: moment and seeing in history. Since they're launching their founding,

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Speaker 2: and since it failed so miserably the first time three

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Speaker 2: hundred million dollars, they've decided to do it again, except

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Speaker 2: this time make it way worse and even more annoying.

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Speaker 2: So let's go and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: It seems that Warner Brothers Discovery is now going to

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Speaker 2: test out CNN news alerts while Max viewers are watching

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Speaker 2: TV shows and movies on the platform. So I want

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Speaker 2: everybody to think about your favorite show on Max formerly

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01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 2: known as HBO Max. Let's think about Last of Us,

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01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 2: The White Lotus, House of the Dragon. It's Sunday night,

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01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 2: course Monday, whatever. You just got off work, you want

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01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 2: to catch up. You sit down in order to watch

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01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 2: your favorite TV show, and you get a notification up

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01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 2: there on the screen and says, do you want to

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01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 2: watch Anderson Cooper right now, can't Can you imagine I

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01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 2: would freak out, and especially if it became some sort

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01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 2: of picture and picture situation. If you're going to ruin

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Speaker 2: my Last of Us time or my House of the

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01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 2: Dragon time, that's sacred time. That's like me actually checking

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01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 2: out from the rest of the world and driving in

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01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:31,560
Speaker 2: to George R. R. Martin. I mean, first CNN to

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01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 2: invade that, especially after we all had to suffer the

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Speaker 2: indignity of having the HBO name taken off. But I said,

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Speaker 2: this actually is beginning to make sense because they did

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01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 2: not want to sully the hallowed HBO brand by turning

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Speaker 2: it into CNN Max, which is what this new live

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Speaker 2: streaming service will be.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 2: I guess to their credit, they're basically just repurposing current

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Speaker 2: content they're going to live stream, like Jake Tapper Show

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Speaker 2: or Anderson Cooper Show or any of these on there.

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Speaker 2: So it's not like they're hiring Chris Wallace or any

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Speaker 2: other jokers. Yeah, that they tried to do last time,

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Speaker 2: but I mean it's still this is CNN. Plus, they're

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Speaker 2: just they're doing what Peacock is done over on Peacock.

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Speaker 1: It is actually offensive, Like the idea of You're sitting

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01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: there watching your show and you get some like news

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01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 1: alert on your TV that says Trump just called Stormy

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Speaker 1: Daniel's space or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Like.

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Speaker 1: Like, that's going to make me want to call the costs,

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Speaker 1: like that is an invasion of my time and space

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Speaker 1: and energy there.

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Speaker 3: It is wrong, it is horrible. I have to think

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Speaker 3: that people are going to be incredibly irritated by it.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's just hilarious to me as well,

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01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 1: because Zucker expected CNN plus they launched this with so

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Speaker 1: much fann there. You guys can go back and watch

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01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 1: our coverage of it and our predictions that it was

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Speaker 1: going to be a total disaster, and of course it

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Speaker 1: was because what they were putting out into the digital

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01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 1: ecosystem was just like a B team version, B rate

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01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:00,600
Speaker 1: version of the actual CNN channel. Or it was like you,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't it going to be like Anderson Cooper on

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Speaker 1: Parenting and somebody was having a book Jack Taber was

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01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: having a book club, all this kind of stuff, and like,

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01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 1: no one wants to pay to watch this, this will

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01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 1: be a failure, And sure enough it was.

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Speaker 3: They pulled the plug.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was the smartest move, honestly, that probably

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01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 1: conflict made was to immediately pull the plug on CNN Plus,

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01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 1: which was losing cash handover fist, complete monumental disaster. And

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Speaker 1: now they're just going right back to the well with

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01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like any real, you know, new insight

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01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 1: into how this.

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01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 3: Is gonna work out.

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01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 1: It's kind of incredible, but they feel like I mean,

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Speaker 1: I understand the thinking from the perspective of they're looking

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01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:46,560
Speaker 1: at NBC slash MSNBC has made some kind of a

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Speaker 1: digital play. Fox News has made some kind of a

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Speaker 1: digital play. I don't know that any of these are

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Speaker 1: really working out all that well, but they're doing it right.

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Speaker 1: CNN knows the writings on the wall in terms of

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01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: the normal cable news business. They know that they have

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01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 1: to do something. That's why Zucher put so many eggs

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01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 1: in this basket to start with. But they just have

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01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 1: no understanding of what a successful online streaming business would

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Speaker 1: actually look like, and so they're just recreating CNN Plus.

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Speaker 1: It's incredible, it's actually incredible.

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Speaker 2: They also did it at the same time that they

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Speaker 2: are hiring a new chief. Let's go ahead and put

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Speaker 2: this up there on the screen. Mark Thompson has been

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Speaker 2: named the new CNN Chief Executive. According to CNN and

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Speaker 2: Mark Thompson is an interesting guy. He actually worked at

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Speaker 2: the New York Times. He was one of the CEO

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Speaker 2: of the companies that actually brought it out of really

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Speaker 2: what was a business crisis for them. But here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: This is a newspaper guy. He previously had worked over

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Speaker 2: at BBC News. The thing is about the way that

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01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 2: the Times turned around is the Times currently is not

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01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:51,600
Speaker 2: a news business. It's a cookbook crossword business with a

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01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:55,719
Speaker 2: news arm. It's basically a liberal lifestyle brand that also

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01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 2: has news. And that's traditionally how the news business works.

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Speaker 2: People don't really like to pay for news. They pay

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Speaker 2: for all this stuff and then it's it's subsidized by

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01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 2: the news. Well, or the news is subsidized by that

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01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 2: other stuff. Well, how is cn I gonna operate like that? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, look at the end of the day, they're

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01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 2: We're fine. They've got these fake cable carriage fees that's

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01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 2: going to subsist for them for the next couple of years.

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01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 2: They are still rolled into a multi billion dollar corporation

1531
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 2: like Warner Brothers, Discovery, HBO, Max and all this other

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01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 2: content can easily subsidize the news arm, but they want

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01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 2: it to be profitable the way that it is. How though,

1534
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,839
Speaker 2: can you turn this around into a sustainable business asset?

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01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 2: The Thompson strategy for making CNN successful would be to

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01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 2: resuscitate Bordain from the dead and basically just make it

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01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 2: so that he's on the air all the time. By

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01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,759
Speaker 2: the way, people forget this, he was the most successful

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01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 2: thing on all CNN. That's not about strategy, y yeah,

1540
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 2: I mean, but I mean he was once in a generation. Like,

1541
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:49,639
Speaker 2: where's it gonna come from? Are you going to find

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01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 2: another board? Am? Like you basically have to remove all

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01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 2: the news content and make it so that the only

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01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 2: profitable part of the network. No more primetime, no more news,

1545
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 2: any of this. You're just running cooking shows all day

1546
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 2: long or the Charles Barkley Galeka, what is it called? King,

1547
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 2: Charles King, Charles King, Charles, Like, that's what you would

1548
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 2: do every single day if you want to turn it

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01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 2: into a business. But that's not how you run a

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01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 2: news business. So I really have no idea how he's

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01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:15,640
Speaker 2: gonna be able to do it.

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Speaker 3: I don't either, but I do think it's smart.

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01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 1: Higher and AlSi has a track record of taking a

1554
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 1: news operation and expanding it and getting people to pay

1555
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:28,680
Speaker 1: for subscriptions in a way that you know, was sustainable.

1556
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 1: Like we've provided this contrast before, but at the Washington Post,

1557
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 1: you know, they saw subscriptions skyrocket during the Trump era.

1558
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 1: They bet the whole farm on Trump coverage. You know,

1559
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: democracy dies in darkness whatever, and so they went all

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01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 1: in on that. And then the moment that Trump is

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01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: out of office and political interest wanes a bit, then

1562
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: their revenue is falling off a cliff.

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Speaker 3: They just went through another round of layoffs. You know,

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01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 3: they're in a lot of trouble.

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Speaker 1: New York Times of course, also got that Trump coverage bump,

1566
01:13:58,720 --> 01:13:59,879
Speaker 1: but they didn't.

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01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 3: Rest on their laurels with that.

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01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 1: They also, you know, they acquired the Wirecutter, they launched

1569
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: NYT Cooking, They made it an audio destination with podcasts

1570
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 1: like The Daily that have been really really successful. And

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01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: so they use the momentum from Trump to actually build

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01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 1: out their business in a way that would be more sustainable.

1573
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 1: And that turned out and the games, like you talked

1574
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 1: about in sports and all sorts of things, so that

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01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 1: turned out to be extremely intelligent. Now, can you translate

1576
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 1: that into CNN. What would that look like? Of course,

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01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 1: it wouldn't look exactly like the playbook that they ran

1578
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 1: at the New York Times, because print is different than

1579
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 1: you know, is different than cable news. But at least

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01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: they brought in someone who has some track record of

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01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 1: success that I can imagine maybe having some ideas here.

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01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,640
Speaker 1: I have no idea how it works out though, or

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01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 1: what it looks like.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, good luck, good luck to our colleagues. I

1585
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 2: guess over at CNN, I guess we wish you nothing

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01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 2: about the best. Yeah, I appreciate.

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01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 1: I appreciate having another go at CNN plus to keep an.

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01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 2: Eye on here. First though, I get interrupted. Oh man,

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01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 2: I can't even tell you how angry it's going to

1590
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 2: make me. Crystal, What do you take a look at?

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01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 1: One of the dumbest fights ever has broken out between Democrats, Republicans,

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01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,839
Speaker 1: big pharma, and corporate media, which perfectly encapsulates the dynamic

1593
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 1: between the two parties, the pitfalls of our political system.

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01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 3: And basically why we can't have nice things. So here

1595
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:23,719
Speaker 3: is the backstory.

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01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 1: As part of the Inflation Reduction Act, Biden the Democrats

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01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 1: passed some incredibly modest reforms to lower prescription drug costs.

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01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 1: Under pressure from pharma lobbyists and their own corporate sold

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01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 1: out caucus, they settled for allowing Maticare to negotiate prices

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Speaker 1: on just ten drugs, with the new pricing not even

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01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: said to kick in until twenty twenty six. So, for

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01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 1: those who are keeping score at home, by focusing just

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01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: on seniors, you're already limiting the impact. By only negotiating

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01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 1: prices on ten drugs, you are further limiting the impact.

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01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 1: And by inexplicably pushing it out for three years, you

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01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:58,640
Speaker 1: are guaranteeing that no one will see any benefit whatsoever

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01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 1: for the next two elections and cycles, curb stomping the

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01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 1: possible political benefits as well.

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Speaker 3: In spite of this.

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01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 1: Modest, delayed, neutered impact, Democrats and Biden of course running

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01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 1: around pounding their chest like they just slaid some sort

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01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 1: of dragon. They know that, of course, we pay astronomically

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01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:17,640
Speaker 1: high drug prices as compared to every other country on

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01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 1: the planet. They know this is a massive pain point

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01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 1: for tens of millions of Americans, and they know that

1616
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:27,679
Speaker 1: doing anything about this insanity inducing, unconscionable state of affairs

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01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 1: is extremely popular so Biden is leading into these wins

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01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 1: on prescription drug pricing as part of his re election campaign,

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01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 1: wildly overselling the benefits in an attempt to convince Americans

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01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:40,560
Speaker 1: that he has done a lot more than what he

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01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 1: has actually accomplished.

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Speaker 10: So, since we took office, President Biden and I in

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01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 10: our administration has taken extoric historic action to cut the

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01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 10: cost of prescription medication for our seniors. We capped the

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Speaker 10: cost of insulin at thirty five dollars a month. Now

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01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 10: we will cap the total cost of prescription drugs at

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01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:16,520
Speaker 10: two thousand dollars a year. And we have made vaccines

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01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 10: free of charge, which will save seniors hundreds of dollars

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01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 10: every year. Yes, and we finally allowed Medicare to negotiate

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01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 10: the price of medications with big pharma companies to the

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01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 10: benefit of sixty five million Americans.

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Speaker 3: At least historic action.

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Speaker 1: I guess it is a low bar when the recent

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01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 1: history is just giving away the stored pig pharma and

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01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 1: allowing them to steal from our tax offers and from

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01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 1: our citizens. This is such, though a pristine example of

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01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party under neoliberalism, engineer some overly complicated water

1638
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 1: down reform voters should fall to their knees in gratitude

1639
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 1: for a modest and possibly imperceptible improvement, but still, in fairness,

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01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 1: it is at least an improvement. On the other side,

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01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 1: if you listen to how the drug companies and the

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01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: Republican elected media allies are talking about this, you would

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01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 1: think Biden just engineered an entire government takeover a big pharma, which,

1644
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: by the way, is what they actually should have done Pharma,

1645
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 1: after likely being instrumental and making these reforms so pathetic

1646
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:28,719
Speaker 1: to start with, Howled threatened to withhold key life saving drugs,

1647
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: spent tens of millions in negative ads against the reforms,

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01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 1: and ran to the courts crying that the price negotiations

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01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 1: were unconstitutional and that every dollar cut into their profit

1650
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 1: margins was basically theft. As Merks legal filing pouted, this

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01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 1: is not negotiation, it is tantamount to extortion. The Wall

1652
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 1: Street Journal editorial board they just weighed in with their

1653
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 1: own hysterical gas lighting, describing these tiny Biden baby steps

1654
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 1: as command and control drug price controls I wish, and

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01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 1: claiming that modest price cuts on ten total drugs coming

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01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 1: in three years time would devastate research and development, depriving

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01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 1: the public of critical life saving medications. Now, this complaint

1658
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 1: might be worth considering if big pharma was really in

1659
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:17,719
Speaker 1: the business of inventing life saving medications. In reality, every

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01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: new FDA approved drug in recent history was initially developed

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01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 1: using taxpayer dollars. Pharma spends much more of their time

1662
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 1: and their money focusing on how they can use patent

1663
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 1: lawfare to maintain their price gouging monopolies.

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01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 3: That's really the business they're in.

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01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:33,840
Speaker 2: Now.

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01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 1: Elected Republicans are joining the fray, carrying water for their

1667
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 1: pharma donors and using pharma talking points to fear monger

1668
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:44,600
Speaker 1: about these very modest proposals which just passed per Politico.

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01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 1: Congressional Republicans slammed Biden's Tuesday drug price announcement, saying they

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01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:50,799
Speaker 1: will impose crippling price controls.

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Speaker 8: Quote.

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Speaker 1: I hope that our colleagues on both sides of the

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01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 1: aisle can come together to mitigate these devastating effects that

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01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: advance consensus based, market driven solutions to access A four

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01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 1: ability challenges, said Senator Mike Krappo, the top Republican on

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01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: the Senate Finance Committee. Meanwhile, Trump at least has enough

1677
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 1: brain cells to realize this is the dumbest attack from

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01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 1: Republicans of all time, so he staying his usual approach

1679
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,759
Speaker 1: of vaguely posturing like he might do something on prescription

1680
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 1: drug prices, when, of course we all know the real truth.

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01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 1: In a video on his website, he said, we've been

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01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:21,600
Speaker 1: ripped off by everybody for so many decades. We are

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01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 1: tired of it not going to happen. Of course, it

1684
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 1: did happen under his administration for four years with next

1685
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 1: to no action, and his proposed solution now is just

1686
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 1: to revive an executive order that has already been killed

1687
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 1: in the courts. Ironically, the massive freak out from Republicans,

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01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 1: Pharma and their media allies might actually help to convince

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01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 1: the public that the Biden administration must have really done something.

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01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 1: Given all the outcry, surely they wouldn't protest some so

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01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:46,759
Speaker 1: much over something so small.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: The lesson I wish Democrats would learn is that since

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01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 1: FARMA is going to have a next level meltdown over

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01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: even the smallest threat to their profit margins, you might

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01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 1: as well give them something to really melt down about.

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01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 1: But instead we'll just continue in this psych Democrats will

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01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 1: make things three percent better wildly oversell it, expect the

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01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:07,440
Speaker 1: public to express their undying gratitude always and forever. Republicans

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01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 1: will then march in to declare that this very mild

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01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 1: improvement is actually an unconstitutional attack in America which will

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01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 1: destroy the whole country. And meanwhile, the American people will

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01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 1: continue to get absolutely screwed with no end in sight,

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01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 1: just another day in our nation's capital. This whole thing

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01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 1: has been so absurd to me.

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01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 2: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

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Speaker 2: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com.

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01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 3: All right, sorry, we're looking at We often hear.

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01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 2: A lot from the nations of Eastern Europe about the

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01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,599
Speaker 2: war in Ukraine. The prime ministers of the Baltic nations,

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01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 2: as well as Finland and Sweden are always salivating to

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01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 2: push the US into war with Russia and to beat

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01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:48,839
Speaker 2: the war drum harder than anybody else in the NATO alliance.

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01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 2: They want to give away the entire US store to Ukraine.

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01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 2: But often a nord in the view of the Ukraine

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01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,759
Speaker 2: conflict is Hungary, which, unlike any of those states, actually

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01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 2: shares a land border with Ukraine, and of course also

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01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 2: shares the long history of Soviet and Russian imperialism. The

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01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 2: reason Hungary is ignored is because it explicitly has a

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01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 2: different view of the Ukraine conflict than every other nation

1721
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 2: inside of NATO. These views are inconvenient, and thus you

1722
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 2: never hear about them. And no matter what you think

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01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 2: about Hungary the nation, you still cannot be arrogant enough

1724
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 2: to dismiss the view then of a NATO member, a

1725
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 2: former victim of Russian imperialism, and a literal border state

1726
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:26,759
Speaker 2: to the war in Ukraine. Tucker Carlson sat down recently

1727
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 2: with Victor orbat and he's the leader of Hungary for

1728
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 2: his view of the Ukraine conflict, and some parts of

1729
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 2: this are vital for everyone to hear in America. Let's

1730
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 2: take a listen to the first part.

1731
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 8: The view is that Ukraine is winning this war. It

1732
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 8: doesn't sound like that's true.

1733
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:40,680
Speaker 9: It's a lie.

1734
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 11: It's not just to be understanding, it's a lie.

1735
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 8: It's impossible.

1736
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 11: Everybody who's in politics and understand the logic, the figures

1737
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 11: of the data low way.

1738
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 8: Why is it impossible.

1739
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 11: Because that way, the Ukrainian, the pore, Ukraine's die every day, Yes,

1740
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 11: hundreds and thousands. You know, my heart is with them.

1741
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 8: So it's it's studged.

1742
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 11: Before Ukraine run out earlier from the soldier's number of

1743
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 11: than the Russians. What finally, your count is boots on

1744
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:09,559
Speaker 11: the ground, and the Russians are fastronger, fun, numerous, more

1745
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:13,720
Speaker 11: numerous there anymore. So so the strategy but we are

1746
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:17,799
Speaker 11: just supporting is a bad engineering of the strategy.

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01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 2: Okay, stark wards there to start us off, The narrative

1748
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:22,719
Speaker 2: that Ukraine is winning is a lie, according to Orbon.

1749
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 2: Orbon says that the number of troops expended by Ukraine

1750
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:28,680
Speaker 2: versus Russia, and he notes that the Russian colossus is

1751
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 2: ability to endlessly throw poor conscripts into the fray. The

1752
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 2: counterpoint to this, then is that the West must make

1753
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 2: it so that the war in Ukraine is so painful

1754
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 2: for Russia that they sue for peace or withdraw because

1755
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:41,760
Speaker 2: the population doesn't want to pay the price anymore. Here's

1756
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 2: what Orbon specifically had to say about that strategy.

1757
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 11: To understand the Russians, it's a difficult thing, especially if

1758
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 11: you have an ocean between you and Russia. So when

1759
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 11: we speak about politics, I mean investorners. What is the

1760
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:58,559
Speaker 11: focus point about conversation. The focus point is freedom. How

1761
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 11: to provide more and more to the people. Yes, when

1762
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 11: you speak on politics in Russia, this is not the

1763
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 11: number one issue. The number one issue how to keep

1764
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 11: together the country because the country is very big and

1765
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 11: there's a privilege of the question how to keep together

1766
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 11: the country and not freedom. Freedom is just another issue, second, third, whatever. First,

1767
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 11: keep the country together, and that's generate a different kind

1768
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 11: of culture and understanding of politics. That's creating a kind

1769
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 11: of military approach like they have always on security, safety,

1770
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 11: offer on geopolitical approaches. It's not our cultures a different approach.

1771
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:31,760
Speaker 11: It's legitimate to have that because it's their history. But

1772
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 11: we have to understand that we cannot beat them as

1773
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 11: we do just now. It's impossible. They will not kill

1774
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 11: their leader, they will never give it up. They will

1775
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 11: keep together the country and they will defend it. We

1776
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 11: find once more, they will invest more if we send

1777
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 11: more technically, if as they will produce more. So don't

1778
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 11: misunderstand the Russians.

1779
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 8: So they're not going to get sick, ad pertinent and

1780
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 8: fro Now, come on, it's a joke.

1781
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 2: Come on, it's a joke. Strong words again, what is

1782
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 2: very important though about what Orbon said is our conception

1783
01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 2: of how our population or some other Western nation may

1784
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 2: respond to saying and death is not the Russian view

1785
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:05,160
Speaker 2: at all, both at a population level and a governmental level.

1786
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 2: Perhaps his most important insight there is the preservation of

1787
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:11,639
Speaker 2: Russian territory and a broader conception of greater Russia historically

1788
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 2: is a vital national security interest to the Russian regime

1789
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 2: for all time. Thus, when something is vital, you are

1790
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 2: willing to expend significant military resources, population, and endure pain

1791
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 2: to accomplish it. That has frequently been comparison of turning

1792
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 2: Ukraine into Russia's Vietnam. First of all, that's dumb, because

1793
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 2: Russia already had its Vietnam, it was called Afghanistan. But

1794
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 2: the reason why our Vietnam was Vietnam and theirs was

1795
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 2: Afghanistan was that it was arrogant military adventurism focused on

1796
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:46,600
Speaker 2: territory far away from the core security interests of both regimes.

1797
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 2: The populations of the US and the USSR saw clearly

1798
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 2: that the immense cost of said wars in far from

1799
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:57,719
Speaker 2: places was not worth any notional benefit of continuing with Ukraine.

1800
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 2: It is a very different story First of all, the

1801
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:02,960
Speaker 2: West has basically given the Russians no option right now

1802
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 2: but capitulation. And second, it is literally next door for them,

1803
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 2: it's not far away. It is considered a core part

1804
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 2: of their sphere in their minds. And fighting and escalating

1805
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 2: there has a different cost benefit analysis for the Russian

1806
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:18,639
Speaker 2: people and the Russian regime.

1807
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 4: So what do we do?

1808
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 2: We have a precipice. The current plan by Washington is simple,

1809
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:27,560
Speaker 2: pour as much money into Ukraine politically and bleed the

1810
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 2: Russians dry with the hope that they eventually just fold

1811
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:32,679
Speaker 2: one day. All of this is done with the Biden

1812
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 2: edict of nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine here too, Orbon

1813
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 2: popped the thought bubble of those in Washington, DC, making

1814
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 2: it clear the power behind this conflict is not Kiev,

1815
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 2: it is right here in Washington. Take a listen.

1816
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 11: First, you should admit, probably publicly acknowledging, that the keys

1817
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:54,560
Speaker 11: in your hand. So if you United States would like

1818
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 11: to have a piece next morning, there is a peace.

1819
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 11: Because it's obvious that the Ukrainians, the poor Ukrainians on

1820
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 11: their own, they're not competitive in this world. So if

1821
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 11: there is no money and there is no equipments, from

1822
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:06,080
Speaker 11: the best time, especially from United States.

1823
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 4: The word is over.

1824
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:09,760
Speaker 11: Yes, the solution is in your hand, is in the

1825
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 11: hand of the your president. The president followed the future one.

1826
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 2: But you be solved.

1827
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 11: The United States can do it, nobody else. It's not

1828
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:17,679
Speaker 11: the solution for the Ukrainians. Of course, it's about Ukrainians.

1829
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,560
Speaker 11: They cannot be neglected. They must be involved. But the

1830
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:22,599
Speaker 11: rieof factor is not Ukraine. The reof factory is intention

1831
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 11: of the United States.

1832
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 2: Yes, if our president wants peace, there will be peace.

1833
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 2: That's according to Orbon. This too is obvious looking at

1834
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:32,679
Speaker 2: a basic chart of weapons and material going to Ukraine.

1835
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:35,799
Speaker 2: We contribute more than the rest of the entire world combined,

1836
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:38,680
Speaker 2: including the great powers of Europe. So obviously then we

1837
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 2: get the most.

1838
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 5: Say.

1839
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna end with this. I'm not claiming whatsoever

1840
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 2: Orbon is the majority of view within NATO or even

1841
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:49,760
Speaker 2: amongst former socialist republics. Obviously he is not. But it

1842
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 2: is vital to hear what he has to say, specifically

1843
01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 2: because it allows for dissenting views and debates, descending views

1844
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,720
Speaker 2: and debates, which did not happen when we lost our

1845
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 2: senses and we let every tiny nation of all of

1846
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 2: Eastern Europe into NATO without a single regard for the

1847
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:08,000
Speaker 2: consequence of the future. Our current policy in Ukraine is

1848
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 2: signing us up for never ending bills, never ending military supply,

1849
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 2: and never ending diplomatic problems at a time when our

1850
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:17,679
Speaker 2: attention in a different region of the world has never

1851
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 2: been more important. So I was really struck by what

1852
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 2: he had to say. And listen, I get it. I

1853
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:25,680
Speaker 2: know everybody hates Hungary whatever. Okay, their Christian nation, Yes,

1854
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 2: they don't like immigrants, etc. Put that aside. We're not

1855
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 2: talking about that right now. We're talking about how do

1856
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 2: we see other how do other NATO Alliance members and

1857
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 2: people who were former socialist republics view the conflict, and

1858
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 2: where are we being honest about what the future looks like.

1859
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:44,560
Speaker 2: That is probably the most stark admission that I have

1860
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 2: heard yet from an actual leader of NATO military state

1861
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,839
Speaker 2: and who shares a massive land border with Ukraine.

1862
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I have no problem with Hungary.

1863
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:55,920
Speaker 1: I do have some issues with Orbond, But I mean

1864
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 1: I think on this he's being way more honest than

1865
01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 1: the thing I've heard from it. Yeah, American policy to

1866
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 1: be totally frank with you and you know, the part

1867
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:08,759
Speaker 1: that really discussed me is we're effectively because he's obviously

1868
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 1: correct that the US is driving this train. That the

1869
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:14,600
Speaker 1: fact that, you know, the way the war has been conducted,

1870
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:18,320
Speaker 1: the you know, continued effort to push on, the continued

1871
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:20,639
Speaker 1: effort to thwart any sort of peace talks or diplomatic

1872
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 1: negotiations that are like that is coming from Washington.

1873
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 3: We are driving this train.

1874
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 1: That has always been really clear, and when you really

1875
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 1: think about that, you come to realize we're using the

1876
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:31,959
Speaker 1: Ukrainians as pawns.

1877
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 3: And it is a devastating tragedy in.

1878
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 1: That country, the number of people who are being killed

1879
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:42,880
Speaker 1: and maimed and the whole nation upended and destroyed.

1880
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 3: And what is the plan, Like, what is the plan

1881
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:46,679
Speaker 3: at this point?

1882
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 1: Because even the thing that's articulated like, well, I guess

1883
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 1: we're just going to keep doing I mean, that's keep

1884
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 1: doing this forever, Like even though that doesn't really make sense,

1885
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 1: do we really?

1886
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 3: How does that serve our interest? To anyone's interest?

1887
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 1: So the clarity of saying yes, it's the US has

1888
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 1: driving the train, and stop with the learned helplessness too,

1889
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:07,800
Speaker 1: of pretending like, oh, Ukraine's doing these drone strikes, you know,

1890
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:10,599
Speaker 1: look for the deepest into Russian territory, and we wish they.

1891
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:12,639
Speaker 3: Wouldn't, but what can we. Of course you can do something.

1892
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:15,160
Speaker 3: Of course you are not helpless in this situation.

1893
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 1: So to hear someone, even someone that I'm not a

1894
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 1: fan of, laying out there what feels to me like

1895
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 1: some real, unvarnished truths, I think is very worthwhile to

1896
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 1: listen to it.

1897
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:27,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and that's what really just comes across

1898
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 2: is where he's like, look, this is on you. He's like,

1899
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 2: you guys are the ones.

1900
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:30,680
Speaker 8: Who do it.

1901
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 2: I also really enjoyed. There's some different moments where he

1902
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 2: goes at us arrogance. He's like, oh, you guys fought

1903
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:38,639
Speaker 2: the Cold War and you think you know something about Russia.

1904
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 2: He's like, why don't you ask people like us who

1905
01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 2: are actually ruled by the Russians. He's like, we understand them.

1906
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:45,799
Speaker 2: He you know, he was arrested actually for protesting against

1907
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:48,719
Speaker 2: the Soviet regime. This isn't somebody who is pro Russian

1908
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 2: or whatever in any aspect of the world. He's just

1909
01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 2: different in terms of his view of how they should

1910
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 2: conduct themselves in the Alliance. So anyway, but yeah, the

1911
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 2: other thing with that is.

1912
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:00,040
Speaker 1: He was explained, you know, he was explaining, like you

1913
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:02,080
Speaker 1: have to understand how the Russians think. But I don't

1914
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 1: think the way that they view this is so different

1915
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:06,880
Speaker 1: from how we were Like the sanctions for example, you know,

1916
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 1: we had this idea that, oh, the sanctions will make

1917
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 1: life hard and they'll fold whatever. You know, first of

1918
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:14,640
Speaker 1: all our own experience of trying to use sanctions, it

1919
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:17,679
Speaker 1: has never worked out that way. But you know, even

1920
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:21,280
Speaker 1: with the Ukrainian expectation that attacks on Russian soil would

1921
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:23,439
Speaker 1: also weaken their resolve. I mean, historically it has had

1922
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:25,560
Speaker 1: the exact opposite impact. If that happened to us, it

1923
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:27,960
Speaker 1: would have the exact opposite impact. So I don't know

1924
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:31,640
Speaker 1: that the Russian people, they you know, they've been propagandized

1925
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 1: and they're invested in this what is, you know, legal

1926
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:37,919
Speaker 1: insane imperial project of putn that I don't support whatsoever.

1927
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:39,799
Speaker 3: But I'm not sure that the way.

1928
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 1: That they view things is so different from how an

1929
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 1: American would view things if you put them in the

1930
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:47,639
Speaker 1: same situation, the same protect that I don't disagree.

1931
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 2: All, Okay, We've got a great debate for everybody the

1932
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:52,720
Speaker 2: TikTok kids versus each other. Let's get to it.

1933
01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:57,640
Speaker 1: Obviously, young voters are going to be really key in

1934
01:31:57,720 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, so we thought we would convene a

1935
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:03,840
Speaker 1: big zoomer TikTok panel. We're very excited to have us

1936
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Speaker 1: joining this morning. We've got Harry Sisson. He is a

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Speaker 1: very enthusiastic and outspoken Biden supporter. And we also have

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Speaker 1: Link Lauren, who is a conservative, a little bit vivg curious,

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Speaker 1: but I think still keeping his options open in terms

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Speaker 1: of the GOP prime or fair to say Link, well.

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Speaker 5: I'm wait, wait, wait, whoa, I'm an independent Okay, okay,

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Speaker 5: very common sense.

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Speaker 1: Moderate, Okay, all right, well we'll see about that as

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Speaker 1: we get into the.

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Speaker 4: Conversation anti Biden. I'm anti Biden for sure.

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Speaker 1: Well that's gooreat Okay, Well we can get into all

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Speaker 1: of that. Gentlemen, we're really glad to have both of you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for taking the time, Thank you for having us.

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Speaker 1: Of course, so I wanted to start and Harry, I'll

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Speaker 1: start with you, but I'll give you the same question

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Speaker 1: to Link. You know, voters of your generation are basically

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Speaker 1: not really feeling.

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Speaker 3: Either party so much.

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Speaker 1: And we've got some approval ratings of the leaders of

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Speaker 1: the two parties we can put up on the screen here.

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Speaker 1: So let's start with Joe Biden. I think he sits

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Speaker 1: in this particular survey at thirty seven percent, and then

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump very similar thirty seven percent, and Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: sits at about the same percentage point right in the

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Speaker 1: thirties thirty seven percent. So overwhelmingly unfavorable opinion of both

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Speaker 1: of these two individuals among young voters. So Harry from

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Speaker 1: your perspective as a Biden supporter, what are your peers

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Speaker 1: getting wrong?

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Speaker 5: I'm not necessarily sure it's what my peers are getting wrong.

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Speaker 5: I think it's it possibly might be what the administration

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Speaker 5: is doing wrong when it comes to messaging. Okay, I

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Speaker 5: think that the admit the Biden administration has done so

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Speaker 5: much for young people, you know, whether it's on climate

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Speaker 5: change or historic investments in infrastructure or even education investments.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot there that young people should be excited about.

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Speaker 5: I mean, the largest investment in fighting climate change ever

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Speaker 5: is something that we can all be really happy about,

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Speaker 5: really excited about. But I think that on the occasion

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Speaker 5: the administration does a poor job of kind of pitching

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Speaker 5: these things to young people, which is of understandable giving

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Speaker 5: the error we're in right now with social media and technology.

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Speaker 5: I don't think anybody has really perfected how we get

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Speaker 5: the message through social media. Like in terms of politics,

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of people on social media have

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Speaker 5: but not necessarily politics. So I think once we get

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Speaker 5: that message out more, once we start saying, hey, look

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Speaker 5: at all these amazing things that the Biden administration has

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Speaker 5: done for young people, especially as we get close to

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Speaker 5: the election, more money is involved in politics, opinions at

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Speaker 5: least on favorability will start to shift.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I love, go ahead.

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Speaker 5: I love when the Biden administration says it's the messaging.

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Speaker 5: They're like, people don't know how well we're doing for them.

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Speaker 5: They just don't know how good they have it. It's

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Speaker 5: almost like this cultural gas slighting, Like they think if

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Speaker 5: they keep repeating Bidenomics, Bidenomics, Bidenomics over and over and over,

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Speaker 5: young people are just going to have more money in

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Speaker 5: their bank account. So it's not really translating. And I

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Speaker 5: don't know if it's the messaging, because young people are

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Speaker 5: just stressed financially. That's what I read every week and

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Speaker 5: thousands of comments and messages.

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Speaker 4: Link.

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Speaker 3: Let me just link to follow up on that.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like the Republicans have offered an agenda

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Speaker 1: that's resonating with young people or that you expect would

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Speaker 1: resonate with young people. I do have some numbers I

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Speaker 1: can put up on the screen for this as well. Sure,

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Speaker 1: let's see gun put the third graphic up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: This was some polling of how young people feel on

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Speaker 1: a variety of issues. Is eighteen to twenty nine year olds.

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Speaker 1: Over time, we've seen them getting increasingly progressive on a

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Speaker 1: variety of issues. Here you've got on stricter gun laws,

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Speaker 1: wanting action on climate change, on same sex relationships, on

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Speaker 1: food and shelter being a basic right. So do you

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Speaker 1: feel I know you've got a critique of Biden here,

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Speaker 1: and frankly it's one that you know I partially share,

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Speaker 1: But do you think that the Republicans are offering something

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Speaker 1: that could really fill that void?

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Speaker 5: Well, what I see from young people is they're much

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Speaker 5: more beholden to policy than they are to political parties.

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Speaker 5: So young people, they don't really care as much about

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Speaker 5: Republican or Democrat. They want to vote for someone who's

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Speaker 5: a transformational leader and who's actually going to help them.

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Speaker 5: And I think young people really want someone who's closer

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Speaker 5: to their age. To be honest, I'm not agis if

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Speaker 5: Biden was some spry, whipper snapper, I'd say, go ahead,

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Speaker 5: run for a second term. But the guy's pretty much incoherent,

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Speaker 5: works two hours a day in a stumbling and falling down,

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Speaker 5: so most people do not want him to seek reelection.

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Speaker 2: So, Harry, you've been a pretty vociferous see laughing there

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Speaker 2: about Biden's age. But I think it's a legitimate concern.

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Speaker 2: So something percent of the American people agree, sixty nine

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Speaker 2: percent of Democrats. Actually the vast majority of the people

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Speaker 2: in your age group specifically, I guess kind of mine

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Speaker 2: as well, also think that Biden is far too old

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Speaker 2: to run for president. So whenever you're engaging, you know,

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Speaker 2: with your audience, people who are you know, how do

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Speaker 2: you try and convince them? What's the response here to

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Speaker 2: the critique?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, I don't think that talking about

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Speaker 5: his age is wrong. I don't think that it's an

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Speaker 5: unfair critique. And I understand why, you know, some people

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Speaker 5: might be concerned about his age, right, I get it,

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Speaker 5: But I think that when we're talking about age, policy

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Speaker 5: and accomplishments matter more. And the fact of the matter

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Speaker 5: is this president has been one of the most accomplished,

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Speaker 5: in my view, one of the best presidents in mind.

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Speaker 5: And I'm happy to explain why just hold on the

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Speaker 5: American Rescue Plan, the Byparsion Infrastructure Deal, a Bipartison, Savor

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Speaker 5: Communities Act, the Packed Act, the Chips Act, rejoining the WHO,

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Speaker 5: the Inflation Reduction Act.

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Speaker 8: I mean, list goes on, right.

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Speaker 5: I think that when you're looking at this president, look

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Speaker 5: at the policy, look at the productivity of this administration

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Speaker 5: as opposed to, Oh, let's just talk about his age, which,

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Speaker 5: as I said, a fair concern, but in my view,

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Speaker 5: what we get done is more important than the age

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Speaker 5: of the candidate.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and then link you know what Chris Will asked

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Speaker 2: you about policy and all of that. I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: you went to NYU, both of you, gentlemen. Actually it's

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Speaker 2: kind of interesting in order to think about two different

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Speaker 2: trajectories crossing paths. I guess in the night, whenever we

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Speaker 2: talk here about younger Republicans or even independent non democratic voters,

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Speaker 2: do you actually see a more policy concern because mostly

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Speaker 2: from what I could tell and from peers as well.

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Speaker 2: A lot of it is around cultural concern and there's

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Speaker 2: nothing wrong with that, but I do think that that

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Speaker 2: is a major animating factor. I'm curious how you square

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Speaker 2: your answer with kind of that observation that we've generally

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Speaker 2: seen as dissonance to like what the overall cultural left

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Speaker 2: is doing well.

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Speaker 5: I definitely think the mainstream media is profiting heavy off

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Speaker 5: of these culture war issues. And I knew Harry was

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Speaker 5: going to have his DNC talking points. Who is going

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Speaker 5: to list the chips at the inflation reduction as good stuff? No, no,

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Speaker 5: I'm totally good for you. But I've been traveling across

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Speaker 5: this country the past year, and when you go talk

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Speaker 5: to maybe a rural voter in Iowa and a small

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Speaker 5: town who owns a small business, they're not feeling the

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Speaker 5: effects of those things. So in a New York Manhattan

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Speaker 5: liberal elite bubble, you can list all of those accomplishments,

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Speaker 5: but when you go out into the real world, people

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Speaker 5: just aren't feeling it. They want someone new, they want

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Speaker 5: someone different. So I'm not taking away that he's got

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Speaker 5: these things past and the debt ceiling and all of

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Speaker 5: that but people still want someone new.

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Speaker 4: And I'll also point this out.

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Speaker 5: If he has all of these accomplishments, why is he

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Speaker 5: still neck and neck with Trump in the polls. Wouldn't

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Speaker 5: there be a massive margin why I said, always one

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Speaker 5: point here, one point here, half a point here.

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Speaker 4: Wouldn't he just be winning by a landside.

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Speaker 5: If they say Trump's a criminal and Trump's been indicted

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Speaker 5: a thousand times and Biden is so great, clearly it's

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Speaker 5: not sticking. Yeah, except you know, when we look at

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Speaker 5: poles at this time, at different elections, they were never

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Speaker 5: right right, like Rudy Giuliani was leading at this point.

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Speaker 5: And I find the point of, you know, the liberal

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Speaker 5: talking point in Manhattan to be interesting because it's not

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Speaker 5: just you know, me going to NYU saying all these

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Speaker 5: policies are great. It's like, no, the American people are

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Speaker 5: really feeling this. Like the veterans who were exposed to

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Speaker 5: talks of burn pits. Do you want to tell them that,

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Speaker 5: you know, they're not actually feeling the benefits. The people

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Speaker 5: who've had their kids lost to terrible mass shootings. Do

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Speaker 5: you want to go tell them that the Byparts and

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Speaker 5: Safer Communities Act, which expands red flag laws, background checks

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Speaker 5: are not significant. Do you want to go tell the

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Speaker 5: record low unemployment, the people who now have jobs, the

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Speaker 5: more jobs that buy like thirteen million jobs and buyd

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Speaker 5: administration would go tell those people that this administration is

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Speaker 5: not working for them.

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Speaker 8: I mean, or how about the people who were just

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Speaker 8: coming out of COVID.

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Speaker 5: President Biden inherited a constitutional crisis from Donald Trump in

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Speaker 5: citing an insurrection action. You know, people are not vaccinated,

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Speaker 5: Unemployment still high, nobody's making any money. Then President byen

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Speaker 5: comes in, buys a lot of vaccines, get this market,

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Speaker 5: gets the job market back open by making crucial investments.

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Speaker 5: I mean, if you'd like to go tell those people

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Speaker 5: that what they experienced was fake, then by all means,

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Speaker 5: But I think we're going to listen to the American

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Speaker 5: people especially. I mean, we can go into the women

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Speaker 5: and their reproductive freedoms who are being stripped. I mean,

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Speaker 5: how about that thirteen year old girl in Mississippi recently.

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Speaker 8: Who's now a mother.

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Speaker 5: I mean, do you want to go tell her that

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Speaker 5: the Republican policy is working with this administration is fighting

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Speaker 5: for when it comes to reproductive freedom is not real?

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Speaker 5: I mean I think that sounds more like a conservative

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Speaker 5: talking point and wherever you might be living right now,

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Speaker 5: then you know the liberal Manhattan are combating like you know,

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Speaker 5: average Americans or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: Link.

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Speaker 1: I did want to get your thoughts specifically on abortion,

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Speaker 1: if you could respond on that piece, because obviously in

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Speaker 1: elections this year and going back to the mid terms,

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Speaker 1: it has been a.

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Speaker 3: Big issue for Republicans.

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Speaker 1: We just had an Ohio issue one which was very

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Speaker 1: much a cro choice versus pro life. Even a red

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Speaker 1: state like Ohio, overwhelmingly the pro choice side wins. So

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Speaker 1: how do you think Republicans should be talking about that

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Speaker 1: issue and how much do you think that that matters

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Speaker 1: in terms of young people.

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Speaker 5: Well, I would say a ton of Republicans are pro life,

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Speaker 5: so they're totally fine with everything.

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Speaker 4: But I'd like to point out I'm a gay guy.

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Speaker 5: I don't have kids, I don't even date women, so

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Speaker 5: me opining on abortion probably not the best person.

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Speaker 3: An opinion life as I've for sure.

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Speaker 5: But when I talk to people, I do realize tons

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Speaker 5: of this country they are pro life, and you're gonna

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Speaker 5: have people who are pro choice.

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Speaker 4: So I'm not here to tell people who to vote

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Speaker 4: for when they go to the ballot box.

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Speaker 5: I'm just here to represent the thousands of comments and

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Speaker 5: messages I read every week from people across this country.

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Speaker 8: Oh, I will, I will, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Republicans across the country are trying to take women's reproductive freedoms.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's that's it's that simple. We don't have

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Speaker 5: to dodge the question. We can just be honest about it.

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Speaker 5: Republicans across this country are trying to take women's reproductive freedoms.

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Speaker 5: We saw it on the debate stage, asked the Hutchinson

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Speaker 5: bragging about all the pro life legislation is signed, Ronda

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01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:03,120
Speaker 5: Santis bragging about his heart built Tim Scott saying that

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01:42:03,160 --> 01:42:05,799
Speaker 5: he'll sign the most conservative pro life legislation of elected

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump, saying that women should face women should face

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Speaker 5: punishment if they get there an abortion.

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Speaker 8: We have Alabama now suing.

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Speaker 5: We're threatening to jail people who even assist women to

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Speaker 5: get abortions. Not you know, the doctor, not the women,

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Speaker 5: but even people who assist. This is the cris one

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Speaker 5: of the biggest crisis of our times where we have

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Speaker 5: Republicans directly infringing on the rights of women across this

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Speaker 5: country and it's disgusting. So when you're looking at twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty four, You're thinking, man, how do we get back

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Speaker 5: to a time where women can actually choose what they

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Speaker 5: want to do with their body? You look at President Biden,

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Speaker 5: You look at the Democrats who have a record of

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Speaker 5: putting on pro choice judges to different courts, and even

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Speaker 5: the Department of Justice right now under President Biden, under

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Speaker 5: Attorney General Merrick Garland have sued consistently in these Republican states.

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Speaker 8: To get these bands over turned.

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Speaker 5: Now, sorry, I don't want to take up too much time,

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Speaker 5: but this is a very important issue.

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Speaker 1: Well, Harry, how come Democrats didn't codify Roe versus Way

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Speaker 1: when they could have? And how come, you know, even

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Speaker 1: moving forward into this election, Because I'm on the same

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Speaker 1: page as you are, I'm pro choice, you know, I

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Speaker 1: would like to see Roe versus Wade at the very

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Speaker 1: least be codified and put back into place. That's actually

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01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:12,040
Speaker 1: not the message, that's not actually what they're pushing for.

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Speaker 1: What they are saying is we just won't do the

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Speaker 1: bad things that the Republicans are doing. Don't Democrats owe women,

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01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:21,960
Speaker 1: young people, people across this country more of an affirmative

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Speaker 1: agenda to restore the rights that were lost.

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Speaker 3: Given that you do have these.

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Speaker 1: At what are, in my opinion or a chrocist situations

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Speaker 1: of you know, thirteen year olds being forced to bear

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Speaker 1: their rapist babies. Don't they have a responsibility to go

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Speaker 1: further than just saying we're better than the bad guys.

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Speaker 8: Christ Like, I couldn't agree more, Right, I couldn't agree more.

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Speaker 5: I think that in my view, though the administration has

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Speaker 5: laid out, especially President Biden, how they intend to reinstate

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Speaker 5: these rights, whether it be through judicial nominees. President Biden

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01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:54,960
Speaker 5: has always said, I will appoint pro choice justices if

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01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:56,799
Speaker 5: there's no opening on the Supreme Court, if Clarence Thompson

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Speaker 5: the seventies, Alito in the seventies, Robert who served for

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Speaker 5: fifteen years, President Biden has always said that. However, also

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01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:06,640
Speaker 5: President Biden said that he endorses removing the filibuster for

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01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:09,040
Speaker 5: codifying Robi Wade. Now, if we can get the Democratic

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Speaker 5: senators that we need in the next election and retake

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Speaker 5: the House, we'll do it.

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Speaker 8: I'm so confident that it will get done.

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Speaker 5: Now as to why it hasn't happened previously, you know,

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01:44:17,120 --> 01:44:19,559
Speaker 5: under President Obama had some super majorities, but a lot

2214
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:22,320
Speaker 5: of those senators were from a lot more conservative states.

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Speaker 5: The national sentiment on abortion wasn't the same. So do

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Speaker 5: I blame those those southern or maybe not Southern Democrats,

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01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:30,800
Speaker 5: but those Democrats who were in those more conservative states

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01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:33,840
Speaker 5: for not using their power then and codifying it. Absolutely,

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01:44:34,360 --> 01:44:37,280
Speaker 5: But the political kind of landscape was just a little

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Speaker 5: bit different then. But it's still a missed opportunity, and

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Speaker 5: I think if we get that opportunity again, we will

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Speaker 5: take it.

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Speaker 2: Link Young voters number one issue at the polls. You

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01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:49,280
Speaker 2: said you're an independent, you're anti Biden. If you're young,

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01:44:49,520 --> 01:44:52,240
Speaker 2: why should you not vote for Biden? Well, I'm not

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01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 2: here to tell anybody who to vote.

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Speaker 4: For, right, Okay, Why to make their own decision.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Honestly, the biggest issue for me with Biden is

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01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:01,880
Speaker 5: the censorship on social media. I mean going back to

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01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:05,160
Speaker 5: court to try and overturn the lower court's ruling to

2231
01:45:05,240 --> 01:45:08,240
Speaker 5: censor social media content and steer the narrative. That's just

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01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:10,320
Speaker 5: never going to sit well with me. I think his

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01:45:10,479 --> 01:45:14,000
Speaker 5: calamitous trip to Maui last week really solidified it for me.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you go to Maui and give a speech

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Speaker 5: about almost losing your corvette and a small kitchen fire

2236
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:22,120
Speaker 5: and making lib jokes and comments when people have lost everything,

2237
01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:24,559
Speaker 5: they've been torched to the ground. They can't find their families,

2238
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:27,040
Speaker 5: they can't find their kids. He's cracking jokes. Then he

2239
01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:28,679
Speaker 5: hops on a plane to go back to his eighteen

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Speaker 5: million dollar mansion in Lake Tahoe and take Pilate's classes

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01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:33,800
Speaker 5: and walk around a parking lot with a smoothie. I

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01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:37,160
Speaker 5: want a transformational new leader in this country to sit

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01:45:37,240 --> 01:45:39,559
Speaker 5: in the Oval office and really in that change. People

2244
01:45:39,680 --> 01:45:42,320
Speaker 5: need to see strength and see a real leader. And

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01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:45,160
Speaker 5: Joe Biden isn't giving me that, not giving young people that.

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01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:48,599
Speaker 1: But link it's not just about what you're against, it's

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01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:52,040
Speaker 1: also got to be what you're for. Very likely, the

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01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:54,560
Speaker 1: publican nominee is going to be Donald Trump. You know,

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01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:56,880
Speaker 1: Trump also censored on social media.

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Speaker 3: You can see that, and you can see that.

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Speaker 1: You can go and read the Twitter and you'll see

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01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:03,519
Speaker 1: his administration doing a lot of the same stuff that

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01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:05,280
Speaker 1: the Biden administration was doing. In fact, I mean the

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01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:07,679
Speaker 1: hunter Byden laptop thing happened while Trump was still president,

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Speaker 1: So let's keep that in mind.

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Speaker 3: That's number one. Number two.

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Speaker 1: I mean, in terms of hurricane response. He was, you know,

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01:46:13,880 --> 01:46:16,280
Speaker 1: very late in terms of response to hurricane.

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01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:18,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, he took thirteen days. He showed up for two hours.

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Speaker 3: Go back and look out, Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Question, my question to you, my question to you directly,

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Speaker 1: and then I'll get Harry in. My question directly is

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01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:33,240
Speaker 1: is Trump better than Biden? You know, would you if

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01:46:33,240 --> 01:46:35,679
Speaker 1: that's your choice, Trump v Biden or would you vote

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01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:36,160
Speaker 1: third party?

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01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:36,320
Speaker 8: Like?

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01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:38,679
Speaker 3: What would be your choice in that situation?

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01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:40,599
Speaker 4: And why? For sure?

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01:46:40,680 --> 01:46:43,240
Speaker 5: So the thing about American politics is you never know

2270
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:44,320
Speaker 5: who's going to emerge.

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01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:45,840
Speaker 4: I mean, look at how many candidates were on.

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01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:48,120
Speaker 5: The stage last week, right, So I'm going to keep

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01:46:48,120 --> 01:46:50,160
Speaker 5: my options open and see who I feel in November

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01:46:50,160 --> 01:46:51,679
Speaker 5: of twenty Listen.

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Speaker 3: But let's be real. This is what it's likely coming

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01:46:54,439 --> 01:46:54,760
Speaker 3: down to.

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01:46:56,720 --> 01:47:00,600
Speaker 1: Trump is like fifty percent ahead of everybody else. You know,

2278
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:03,000
Speaker 1: Nikki Haley gained like three points after this debate. It's

2279
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:03,839
Speaker 1: not enough to overcome.

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01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:06,400
Speaker 5: But if you get very like the Coffins, if you

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01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:08,120
Speaker 5: have the trial.

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01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure out where do you actually stand, Like,

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01:47:12,479 --> 01:47:14,760
Speaker 1: do you actually think Trump is better than Biden if

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01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:16,920
Speaker 1: that's your choice? Are you a Trump guy or are

2285
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:19,080
Speaker 1: you on the fence. Are you looking at a third

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01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:19,759
Speaker 1: party candidates?

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01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:21,639
Speaker 2: I've never said anything about nails in the coppin.

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01:47:21,479 --> 01:47:25,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's yeah, No said definitely. So anyway, you know

2289
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:28,840
Speaker 1: where that's your choice. Where do you stand, that's your choice?

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01:47:29,560 --> 01:47:31,759
Speaker 4: Honestly, traveling getting to know these candidates.

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01:47:31,880 --> 01:47:34,040
Speaker 5: I really like some other candidates, and I'm looking to

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01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:36,800
Speaker 5: see who's going to emerge in November of twenty twenty four.

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01:47:37,200 --> 01:47:38,839
Speaker 2: Okay, see, but see.

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01:47:40,280 --> 01:47:41,880
Speaker 4: That. I'd also like to point out.

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01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:47,599
Speaker 2: Once we'll get to you, go ahead, go ahead.

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01:47:48,040 --> 01:47:52,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm an independent new media journalist, so I report

2297
01:47:52,960 --> 01:47:56,400
Speaker 5: on culture war stories. I follow politics very closely. It's

2298
01:47:56,479 --> 01:47:58,720
Speaker 5: not my place to tell people how to vote or

2299
01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:01,600
Speaker 5: exactly who I'm going to vote for. Harry obviously he

2300
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:04,519
Speaker 5: made the decision to totally endorse Joe Biden.

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01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:07,280
Speaker 4: And if they were paying for my flights and hotels, maybe.

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01:48:07,080 --> 01:48:08,880
Speaker 8: I just hotels were paid for.

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01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:11,439
Speaker 5: Please put me in contact with who's going I would

2304
01:48:11,439 --> 01:48:12,559
Speaker 5: love to make a decision.

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01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:18,599
Speaker 4: I'm from a place of an influencer, so that's the difference.

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01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:23,960
Speaker 2: He respond, Go ahead, and respond, go ahead, sorry, guys,

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01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 2: I apologize a crystal crystal sacres.

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01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:28,840
Speaker 5: So what we we just heard from my counterpart on

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01:48:28,840 --> 01:48:30,720
Speaker 5: the right is what we call a non answer. You

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01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:32,719
Speaker 5: you asked him a question, are you going to support Trump?

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01:48:32,720 --> 01:48:35,679
Speaker 5: He couldn't bring himself to support the four time indeted,

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01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:38,280
Speaker 5: disgrace warm president who's now a proven sexual abuse or

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01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:40,439
Speaker 5: rapist wait journalists.

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01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:46,320
Speaker 8: Or or you know, rapists as deemed in courts in

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01:48:46,479 --> 01:48:46,880
Speaker 8: New York.

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01:48:47,120 --> 01:48:49,640
Speaker 5: Right, couldn't just couldn't give you a determination there, but

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01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:52,720
Speaker 5: just to respond to what he said earlier, I mean,

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01:48:52,760 --> 01:48:54,320
Speaker 5: I think I think it's just when you asked him, like,

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01:48:54,360 --> 01:48:56,320
Speaker 5: why would he support Trump over Biden?

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Speaker 8: Right?

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Speaker 5: Why why is he voting for Trump? He then cited

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01:48:58,720 --> 01:49:01,080
Speaker 5: President Biden going to Maui is one of his big reasons,

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01:49:01,360 --> 01:49:03,200
Speaker 5: and he's like, oh, he took her, sure, and the

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01:49:03,280 --> 01:49:05,559
Speaker 5: grand But he wasn't clamoring. I don't think he's brought

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Speaker 5: up the fact that Donald Trump took fifteen days to

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Speaker 5: go to Puerto Rico after Hurricane Mario, which killed thousands, Right,

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01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:12,840
Speaker 5: there's no there's no criticism there.

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01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:14,280
Speaker 8: He's like, oh, Biden took thirteen days.

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01:49:14,280 --> 01:49:16,160
Speaker 5: And the reason that Biden took thirteen days is because

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Speaker 5: now he was on fire, like it's on safe for

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01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:20,559
Speaker 5: the president and the Secret Service to travel there. Along

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Speaker 5: with the federal response going on, and the and the

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01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:25,559
Speaker 5: governor there was like, yeah, within six hours, the President

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01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:29,120
Speaker 5: met our needs. On the tenth, President Biden signed an emergence.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't Tulci Gabert.

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01:49:30,200 --> 01:49:33,160
Speaker 5: The next day, on the tenth, President Biden signed an

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01:49:33,200 --> 01:49:36,200
Speaker 5: emergency declaration. So look, you can clamor in with Toulci

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01:49:36,240 --> 01:49:38,479
Speaker 5: Gabbert this or that or President Biden, but you know,

2339
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:40,840
Speaker 5: the people who are actually in Hawaii are saying, yeah, yeah,

2340
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:43,360
Speaker 5: President Biden met all our needs within hours. Like he's

2341
01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:45,479
Speaker 5: been great. The federal response has been fantastic. I don't know,

2342
01:49:45,640 --> 01:49:46,800
Speaker 5: because I've.

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Speaker 2: Seen complicated Yeah, go ahead.

2344
01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:49,320
Speaker 8: I've seen people.

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01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:52,040
Speaker 5: I've seen people in Maui on their local news station

2346
01:49:52,240 --> 01:49:54,519
Speaker 5: saying screw Joe Biden. They put up a sign over

2347
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:57,439
Speaker 5: their businesses saying We're sorry you lost your corvette in

2348
01:49:57,520 --> 01:49:59,080
Speaker 5: the fire. You know, like I don't know if the

2349
01:49:59,080 --> 01:50:01,840
Speaker 5: people in Maui were still but you know, God bless.

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01:50:02,439 --> 01:50:04,280
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, can.

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Speaker 4: Ike real quick?

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Speaker 3: Yeah go ahead.

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01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:09,280
Speaker 5: Yes, this comparison between me and Harry, I feel it's

2354
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:12,320
Speaker 5: a false comparison. Harry is an influencer who's decided to

2355
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:16,080
Speaker 5: totally endorse Joe Biden, which is his prerogative right. I'm

2356
01:50:16,120 --> 01:50:19,280
Speaker 5: a new media journalist. My medium happens to be TikTok, right.

2357
01:50:19,479 --> 01:50:22,280
Speaker 5: It's not my place to opine or tell people who

2358
01:50:22,360 --> 01:50:24,400
Speaker 5: to vote vote for. I'm not owned by a political party.

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01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:27,160
Speaker 5: I'm not owned by media conglomerate. I cover the news.

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Speaker 4: I look at a lot of information and I give

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01:50:29,160 --> 01:50:29,720
Speaker 4: you my take.

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01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:32,679
Speaker 3: That's it, Okay, So let's close.

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01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:35,600
Speaker 1: Let's close by forcing each of you to sort of

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01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:39,439
Speaker 1: steal man the other one's position. So link what, in

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Speaker 1: your opinion, is the best thing that Joe Biden has

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Speaker 1: done and potentially the best reason for young people who

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Speaker 1: are considering voting for him to vote for him.

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Speaker 5: Honestly, I can't think of one reason to vote for

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Speaker 5: Joe Biden. I would say, if you're pro choice, you're

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Speaker 5: definitely going to lean toward Biden, and I think that's

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Speaker 5: up to a woman to make that decision. But for

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Speaker 5: me personally, I'm not going to list all the accomplishments.

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Speaker 5: We just heard Harry list fifty different things.

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Speaker 3: So one thing he gave, not one thing that you

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Speaker 3: think that he did that was like, all right, that

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Speaker 3: was okay?

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Speaker 5: I The thing is also, you guys, like I said,

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Speaker 5: I'm not telling people to vote for Trump for Biden.

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Speaker 5: I'm keeping options open. I really want a transformational, younger leader.

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Speaker 5: I mean, look what happened with Mitch McConnell yesterday. Look

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Speaker 5: at Diane Einstein, look at Joe Biden. Is it crazy

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Speaker 5: to say, hey, can we have someone maybe in their

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Speaker 5: sixties or fifties, someone who really speaks to us and

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Speaker 5: understands the twenty first century issues we have with cybersecurity

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Speaker 5: and so many other things. Also, I don't really want

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Speaker 5: a president pushing us deeper deeper, deeper into conflict with Ukraine, Russia,

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Speaker 5: et cetera, just to be honest.

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Speaker 4: And we didn't even touch on that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Harry, what about for you?

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Speaker 1: What do you think is the biggest mistake or disappointment

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Speaker 1: of the Biden administration?

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Speaker 8: Wow?

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Speaker 5: The biggest mistake or disappointment the cocaine in the White House,

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Speaker 5: the granddaughter, and.

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Speaker 4: The border O.

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Speaker 2: The border.

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Speaker 8: No, not at all.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm from Texas, so I'm just saying, oh, you're

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Speaker 5: from Texas. Yeah, so I'm saying open border is not

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Speaker 5: really my thing. I'd like to well, listen, I'll try

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Speaker 5: to answer the question. But if you were, if you

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Speaker 5: had say no cards, if he wasn't answering, if you were,

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Speaker 5: of course, of course, if he was honest and not disingenuous,

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Speaker 5: he wouldn't be talking about an open border.

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Speaker 8: But in terms of.

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Speaker 5: Administration one failure. I think that the build back better.

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Speaker 5: We had something great there and past was unfortunate. And

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Speaker 5: I wish that child the child tax credit would have

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Speaker 5: been longer. And I understand that politics Scott in the way,

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Speaker 5: and maybe it wasn't it was was I'm possible with

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Speaker 5: mansion in cinema, but I wouldn't necessarily call it failure,

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Speaker 5: but something I wish it would have happened under.

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Speaker 2: His first child tax credit. Okay, gentlemen, each of you,

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Speaker 2: this is a lot of fun. But link tell people

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Speaker 2: where they can find you, and then Harry.

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Speaker 5: You can find me at It's link Lauren on TikTok

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Speaker 5: and Twitter. And I also want to say thank you

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Speaker 5: guys for having me and also for Harry. I really

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Speaker 5: do wish you the best. I went to n Yu

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Speaker 5: also and I do like your content. I like seeing

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Speaker 5: young people involved in politics for sure, and as a

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Speaker 5: big brother, I just want to say I'm so excited

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Speaker 5: to see you travel across the country and meet more

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Speaker 5: voters in different areas and hear their needs and their concerns,

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Speaker 5: because I do think your content will become more nuance, nuanced,

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Speaker 5: and you'll have more empathy for other people.

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Speaker 4: Sure, but.

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Speaker 8: Listen, I won't.

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Speaker 5: I won't.

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Speaker 8: I won't throw the low blow. I want to throw

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Speaker 8: the low blow. Listen.

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Speaker 4: I'm seriously wish. They have a show to do.

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Speaker 8: They have a show to do. They have a show

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Speaker 8: to do.

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Speaker 5: All right, anyways, Sorry, guys, you can find me on

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Speaker 5: every every platform. Harry Jasis and likewise Chris appreciate you

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Speaker 5: guys so much.

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Speaker 8: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: There you go, okays, go by you guys. Right? Is

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Speaker 2: that the is that the right one?

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Speaker 4: Harry is at the violet of the bobcat? I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Whatever.

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Speaker 3: All right, gentlemen, that was fun.

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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed that. For people who are just listening,

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Speaker 2: you got to watch that man that was There was

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Speaker 2: a lot of motive you have for which that was

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Speaker 2: musty content. Thank you very much. For our producer Griffin,

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Speaker 2: it was his idea in order to get this done,

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Speaker 2: and he wrangled all the scheduling for that so We

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Speaker 2: appreciate everybody who watches the show and it helps us

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Speaker 2: out here Breakingpoints dot com. Everyone have a fantastic Labor

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Speaker 2: Day weekend. Everybody check out, have a great time. We

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Speaker 2: will be back here on Tuesday and we'll see you

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Speaker 2: then