WEBVTT - The Haunting of Chill House 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:08.039 It's one am in Beaumont, South Carolina, and you're listening 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:23.520 to Nightcall. Hello, and welcome to Night Call, a podcast 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:26.920 for your strange days and lonely nights. I'm Tess Lynch 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:30.080 in Los Angeles, and with me is Molly Lambert, and 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:34.520 over in New York we have Emily Oshida. I should 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:38.000 have done my fake Southern accent like Kevin Klein. I 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:40.280 don't think it's fake. I looked him up and he's 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:44.240 from singt Louis, Missouri. But it's such a bad accent. 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:48.360 But it made me look up where Kevin Klein was 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:50.320 from because I realized I had no idea, you know 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:52.280 what it could be. Though. It's one of the thing 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:55.639 where like, for instance, if you try to do if 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:57.880 you're from Boston and you try and do a New 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:02.640 York accent, like it's still you know, you're still yeah, exactly. 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:06.479 Maybe it's a contrary to popular belief, there is more 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:10.280 than one Southern accent. And the Missouri accent is not 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:16.240 like the Carolina accent exactly. Well, is Missouri sort of midwesty? 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.080 Missouri's the South. It's the South. Yeah, it's not what 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:21.559 we would call the deep South. This movie takes place 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:25.679 in the Deep South. This movie that we're about to introduce. Yeah, 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:29.440 this movie. This this takes some preamble because I feel 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:33.920 like followers that know us from the hoodies days have 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:37.040 definitely heard us at least make threats to a Big 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:42.560 Chill UH Special, a Big Chill super Hour, and we 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:47.360 are finally making good on that. This week, uh two 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:59.560 thousand eighteen, we are doing the Big Chill episode, which 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:19.639 I proposed nothing really other than the fact that Molly 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:23.280 had never seen The Big Chill. And we're I guess 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:27.800 officially past spooky season pending election results. Well, this is 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:30.840 sort of a Thanksgiving movie. It turns out a little 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:35.720 deleted scene of the deleted scene, a notorious deletedorious deleted 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:37.919 scene to set up the Big Chill. I've never seen 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:43.520 The Big Chill. What a terrifying movie to watch in 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:46.880 your thirties, in your thirties for the first time, because 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:49.440 I could think about was how old are these people 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.079 supposed to be? And I wanted to say they're on 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.240 the brink of forty, but no, no, no, no, they 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:58.680 I looked it up. Jeff Goldbloomers thirty one, Glenn Close 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:01.760 and Kevin Klein were thirty six, but it's like it's 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.840 they didn't have all those k beauty masks back. It's 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:08.400 also just like it's so eighties that the way the 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:13.480 way everyone is dressed though, like eighties yuppie American Sloane 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:18.239 Ranger kind of style is so ancient looking. Well, it 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:21.600 also to us looks like our parents, who are forever old. 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:24.799 We will never be able to divorce that look from 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:28.359 exactly like my parents never dressed like that. You think 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:30.920 they didn't. But there's like a certain amount of the 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:34.720 hair dues. One thing I loved how they all have 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:38.600 the same haircut in this movie. Everybody, man and woman 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.880 has the exact same haircut, a little bit of a flue, 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:44.880 a little bit of a flue. Sometimes it's curly, sometimes 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:49.560 it's straight. It's growing out. They're all growing out their part. 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:55.480 Like speaking of our parents, we definitely respond to this 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:58.040 in a different way than maybe even listeners of our 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.960 podcasts that that are younger that may don't have boomer 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:03.360 parents might respond to it, who might just like watch 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:07.040 it purely for the aesthetics. Um, Like this really does 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:10.760 feel like the beginning of boomers running everything. This movie, 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.760 Like it feels like the cultural flag being planted of like, Okay, 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:15.360 now everything is going to have to do with like 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:17.680 what boomers were into and their college experience and the 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:20.599 music that they liked them blah blah blah blah. Um 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.440 and and boomers just talking and recording themselves talking and 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:29.680 then watching themselves talking and like feedback loop of Boomer interests. Uh. 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:33.960 But yeah, it's very Uh it's fun to imagine what 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.360 this movie would be like about any other generation. Um, 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:40.560 but it's also hard too because it's just so boomer. Yeah, 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:42.919 it's pretty boomery, I have to say that. So I 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:45.400 didn't believe that anyone hadn't seen The Big Chill until 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:47.599 we found out while we were talking about it. Um. 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:49.440 I don't remember if it was on the air when 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:52.080 we were recording Hoodies or before or after. 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Well, but let me 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:58.680 lay out the movie for anyone who hasn't seen it. 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.159 So it's three, which happens to be the year that 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:03.720 Molly and I were both born, So the movie belongs 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.719 to us. And it is a Lawrence Casnan movie about 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:10.640 a group of friends who are reunited by um the 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.800 death of their one of their other friends. Their friend 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:16.200 who died is played by Kevin Costner, but all of 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.480 his scenes were cut out of the movie, but apparently 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:21.280 there's a scene where he was like it was a 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.600 flashback scene where he's making Thanksgiving dinner with the rest 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:27.640 of the cast, and then that ended up being cut um. 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:31.240 But it's basically this group of you know, friends who 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.960 get together after a long time apart. They go to 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:37.120 a house in South Carolina and they all spend time 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:40.600 together surrounding this guy's funeral. Well, what I learned from 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.600 the IMDb trivia section that I read expensively after watching 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:47.120 it is that the flashback scene would have revealed the 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.520 information that these people all lived in a co op 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:54.720 together University of Michigan, much like Lawrence Kasden who was 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:58.560 in a food co op called the Eugene Debs Up, 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:03.240 like a socialist food up, which then explains why they 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:06.320 are so comfortable living in a house together and sharing 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:09.760 the duties of cooking and making food and stuff was 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:12.360 supposed to be. It is a crazy tale. And I 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:14.360 was also like, I've known a lot of people who've 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:17.360 lived in co ops, and there is that dynamic of 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:19.600 living in a co op with people where everybody's like 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:24.320 eating together and doing the dishes and like flirting with 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:28.200 each other all the time. And I liked this movie. 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:31.560 It was sad. Why sad? Well, I mean maybe it 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.320 wasn't sad. I don't know. It was definitely less like 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:36.960 peak eighties than I was expecting. I realized, Like as 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:38.400 I was watching it, I was like, oh, this is 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:41.400 like three this is kind of like almost still a 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:45.120 seventies movie. It's just kind of like a story about 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.960 some people with some problems. It's very much like Play. 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:51.560 Yeah it is. It's a total play and I thought 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:53.199 it was. Also it's kind of like a loose remake 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.440 of Rules of the Game. He said, it's like a 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:59.600 French country estate, but it's just like a you know, 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:02.920 a ntry house and some white yuppies who are having 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:07.559 a lot of issues but having fun having their issue. Well, okay, 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:08.959 this is what I'm gonna say is I thought the 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.640 reason I thought it wasn't maybe depressing because I was like, 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:16.160 is this like an upbeat ending spoiler alert, Like everybody 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:19.080 has sex at the end during like a lightning storm. 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:22.720 This movie is very horny. Um. But yeah, I was like, 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.480 this movie is sort of like it's like, at first, 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.040 it's all sad about like you've made all your choices 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:31.000 and you're stuck now in your life forever with your 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:34.679 like boring life that you chose. Um, nothing like the 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:36.400 fun life you thought you were going to have when 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:38.160 you were a hippie living in a co op with 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:41.360 your cool friends, and now you're confronting it in a 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:44.640 funeral scenario. But then at the end, it's like everybody 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:48.080 kind of is like, oh, actually, we still can change 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:51.319 our minds about stuff still and like let your friend's 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.440 husband knock you up, which is, yeah, that's one of 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:57.960 that you really wild plot points. I think that's is 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:01.400 that the transformative moment though, is that like when when 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:05.040 everybody realizes they still have that good old hippie community 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:08.319 because they're like, we're going to make a baby together 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:12.640 as like a friend. But then there's also the fact 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:17.280 that Nick, who's William hurt Um, decides to stay in 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:24.959 the house with Chloe's. It is the Haunting of Chill House. Yep, 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:29.360 is make Chilly like always always doing stretches and like 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:34.640 like doing contortions and a leotard because she's young and flexible. Yeah, 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:38.320 of course, because it's to show that it's the eighties. Well, 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:43.600 I mean like flexible metaphorically she's doing more like you know, Well, 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:46.080 they don't really. It's funny. They feel like they include her. 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:48.120 They're not like mean to her just because she's like 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:50.240 the young I mean, Glenn Close is giving her some 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:52.520 side eye. But I think at one point Meg Tilly's 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.920 character Chloe, they're all like waxing nostalgic, and then they 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:57.959 ask her about her past and she's like, oh, I 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:00.360 don't really talk about the past because I don't about 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:02.080 it as much as you guys. So she kind of 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:05.920 represents the like she's not nostalgic yet, because she's still 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:09.480 at a point where she's still like idealistic and anything 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.280 can happen in her life, and like she's just enjoying 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.920 her she's in her twice. It feels like she's more. 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.439 She doesn't have a tight group of friends though like 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:22.679 they do. She's yeah, she's a drifter. She's like seems 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:26.000 like she's just dated a series of older men and 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:29.760 like she says something to the effect of, I don't 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:34.040 know that many happy people or something like that. I 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:40.160 think she's secretly the greatest character. She is a great character. 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.079 And like the leotard that she's doing the stretches and 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:46.080 at the beginning is like very specifically such an eighties leotard, 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:49.400 like put me in a weird state of mind. Can 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:51.240 you imagine how hard it would be to pee if 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:55.000 you were wearing a leotard overtights? I mean I remember 0:11:55.040 --> 0:12:00.600 how hard it was. Yeah, everyone did. Yeah. I mean 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:02.600 some of the things that I knew about this movie, 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:06.559 the like dancing around the kitchen island and the sixties soundtrack, 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:10.839 thing like none of it bothered me in the context 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.400 of the movie because it was like possible to see 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:15.200 it is like, oh, this was the first time some 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:20.280 of these things happened. Uh so so we should maybe 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:23.120 like like just do the boiler plate in case people 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:25.319 haven't seen this movie. Well, Test, I think set it 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:29.199 up that it's like a funeral friend, one of their friends. 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:31.520 It's interesting now to know that it's a commune. That's 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:33.840 like a that's an interesting Yeah. That made it a 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:37.400 lot more more interesting to me. So this friend of 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:41.400 there's Kevin Costner who plays corpse in it. Uh he's 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:43.240 the funk up, but they're all he's kind of a 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:44.640 funk up. But he's like one of these guys you 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:46.320 just couldn't decide on what he was going to be, 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:48.520 and he would like you know, drifted around from job's 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:54.120 job and then committed suicide while staying at the country 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:58.360 home of Kevin Klein and Glenn Close's characters who are 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:00.840 or they've kind of made it. They like own some 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:05.520 kind of chain of stores. It's going to get store 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.480 and that up. And it's called Running Dog And it's 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:12.680 from a quote. It's from a quote from Maw that 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:18.560 says something about the running dogs of capitalism. Whoa if 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:23.400 you weren't there was a socialist subtext to The Big Chill. 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:25.600 We found it. It's not even a subtext. It's like 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:29.240 in the movie again, it makes it interesting. I think 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:31.840 I teamed out because, yeah, they have the shoes delivered 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:33.480 from the store so that they can run around and 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:38.199 play like five football in the yard and the Yeah, 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:42.480 so there's just a tangle of feelings among these seven friends. 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:46.400 Is it seven plus plus Meg Tailling? I guess yeah, 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:51.760 Well if you also you have got account Richard husband 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:55.040 who eats a mayonnaise sandwich and a glass of milk, 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:58.599 and that's all you need to know about Richard. And 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.160 then he goes and then leaves the next morning. He's like, 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:03.760 I'm just here for the mannaise sandwich. Yeah. Um, I 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.199 was saying to tests, I found all of the men 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:10.480 in this movie very attractive. Who most who? Most of all? Uh, well, 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:12.520 you know, I know that it's just like a basic 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:15.320 take to be attracted to Jeff Goldbloom, But I was 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:18.120 never a person who was attracted to Jeff Goldbloom for 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:22.479 many years, and like suddenly I was like Jeff Goldbloom, Wow, 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:26.680 what a charming guy, very good at taking imaginary phone 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:29.840 calls and movies. Yeah, I'll tell you who I was 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.320 most attracted to, and that would be Mary kay Place. 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:37.120 Oh well, Mary kay Place, Mary Kay plays the maid. Yeah. 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:39.800 The people who were involved are Kevin. We got Kevin 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.720 and Glenn as Harold and Sarah, and they I read 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:44.680 something I don't remember where when I was sifting through 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.360 all of these big chill takes that you know, some 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:49.720 people argue that this is a Southern movie because it's 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.920 all about like looking back, you know, towards history and 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.960 like that. He's the person who's from the South and 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:59.120 then went to University of Michigan but returned to his 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.960 roots and now he's just returning to his past, but 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:04.760 everyone else went elsewhere and he's living in like a 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:09.200 plantation house. Basically yeah. Um. But then neither Kevin Klein 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.200 nor Glenn Close wanted like they thought those were the 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:14.400 boring roles, and they were a little bit pissed that 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:17.040 they were cast that way. Not pissed, but they were like, 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.680 all right, everybody wanted to be Mary kay Place. Of course, 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:23.840 I mean, who wouldn't. Um. And then we have Tom 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.960 Beranger as Sam Webber, who is the like you know, 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:35.920 kind of accidentally yes, also also also also needless to say, 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:40.160 Michael gold Jeff Goldblum, who is the entertainment journalist. He's 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:44.080 the one who's all of us unrelatable, trying to get 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:45.920 out of con He's trying to get out of content, 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.000 and he's trying to convince himself at the stories he's 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:51.760 writing for US magazine anything. You know, it's people, isn't 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:56.360 it people? It was the US, But he started opening 0:15:56.720 --> 0:16:00.720 kids in Harlem and like then got into journalism for 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:03.800 the money, I guess. Yeah. And he's the one who 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:08.240 brought the camera to tape everyone very awkwardly but mostly 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:11.960 himself James Spader and Sexless and Video Tape eighties, bringing 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:16.600 the camera to tape everybody talking about um and nobody 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.240 wants to have sex with him, That's what and which 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:23.880 is very surprising. In like a deleted scene, he goes 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:26.200 up at the funeral, he's introducing himself, like no one 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.880 remembers him, which makes me think he was living in 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:31.760 the commune. But he was from a younger grade, so 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.640 I would well, he is a little bit younger, reads, 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:36.680 a little bit younger, so I think he was kind 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:39.480 of like the interloper who wanted to be cool. He's 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:45.480 bringing that new wave energy into this otherwise strictly classic 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:50.160 R and B household. And then there's William Hurt. Yes, 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:57.560 obviously Nick Carleton, who's a veteran. He is a Vietnam vet. 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:01.760 He he cannot get a boner or some or or 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:04.320 does I don't know. My husband is like his dick 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:08.560 was blown off. Is that it's not really but I 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.120 was envisioning the like born on the fourth of July, 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.800 like pulling your tube out. Yeah, there's something. That's what 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:16.720 I imagined. Um. He also does a lot of drugs, 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:19.960 and I find him to be the least attractive in 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:24.960 this film. He's a babe though still mannerisms wise and 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.840 the dryness of his his sense of humor. He is 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:34.679 the number one babe number not not exactly, but I like, 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:37.639 I dated somebody for a summer who was obsessed with 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:41.880 this movie and uh and obsessed with his character specifically, 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:47.120 and had the car, had that Porsche like the old Porsche, 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:50.400 and um and was very much like like him. But 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:56.080 obviously it did something for me. So interesting babe who's 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.880 drawn to whom I would not have expected that who 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:02.680 else we got? Okay, So then we have um Meg 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:07.520 Jones Mary kay Place my girlfriend. Now, um, she is 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:14.600 a single, professional woman. She's like, I feel like it's 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:19.360 she's she's a professional business she in Los Angeles. There's 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:21.520 a point where she's in her office and she's looking 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:23.640 out over the in the opening credits when you see 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:27.000 how she has to look at the briefs for the account. Yeah, 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:31.720 the exactly the briefs. Let's imagine that she works in 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:34.199 Century City as a lawyer, because that seems right, and 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.920 smoking merits and she just seems really cool. And then 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:41.680 we have Karen Bowen's Who's Joe Beth Williams. She's kind 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:46.680 of the token like soap opera cold Dish. She's entrapped 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:48.880 in a bad marriage to the boring guy, to boring 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:51.240 guy Richard Bowen. But she used, she clearly used to 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:54.240 be a fun babe in college and this is reminding 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:56.720 her of that. Yeah, and she gives a lot of 0:18:56.800 --> 0:19:02.359 longing looks. Can I uh offer a hot take in 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:06.080 opposition to your enthusiasm for Mary Kay Place here? I 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.840 don't think that. I don't think there are any like 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.119 actually good female characters in this movie, and that was 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:14.160 that was a realization upon watching it this time, because 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:17.280 I didn't think that Chloe was the best character. That's 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:21.120 sort of that's that's the hottest take. But I mean 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.280 I think that if if they had added like one 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:25.440 or one or two more scenes with her, I think 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:27.439 you would have you would have an a plus character 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:29.720 and a very interesting character. And not to be too 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:33.840 like beck Deli reductionist about it, but like they that 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:37.080 feeling of like it's me watching Jeff Goldblum just you know, 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:40.840 in some of yes, the like the literal facts of 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:43.320 his character and his profession everything, but also just like 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:44.840 some of the mannerisms and the way he is and 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:47.560 everything that for me is not there for with any 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:50.320 of the female characters, mostly because we don't again, we 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:52.400 don't know what We don't know what Mary ky Place does, 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:55.600 and like everybody else is just like defined by like 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:58.920 whether or not they fucked the dead guy, or if 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:01.800 they like if they like their husbands or not, or 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:03.560 if they want to stay out of their marriages. Like 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:07.359 that seems to be the defining crises for most of 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:09.600 these characters. And yes, everything comes down to sex in 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:12.320 this movie in the end, but like it's always been 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:15.800 sex though for all represents not selling out. But I 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:18.720 thought Glenn Close had a pretty good like you had 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:22.640 a sense of her backstory. She was involved with Alex, Yeah, Alex, 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:25.040 but did she have an affair, Yeah, she cheated on 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:28.240 Kevin Klein with Alex, she gets to cry in their 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:33.800 shower and the shower early on. But then but then 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:39.040 by deciding to encourage spoiler again, Kevin Klein to father 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:43.040 Mary Kay places child, and then to have sex, it's 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:46.239 like retribution. She's like, now we're even because I had 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:48.800 an affair with Alex and I carried that guilt and 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:52.000 now I am basically like enlisting you to have sex 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:54.840 with my friend, and now it's even. Steven, I don't 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:59.520 know that feels feels that feels like a fairy. That 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:07.240 feels such a male screenwriter fabrication, the puppet matter in 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:09.760 this drange. No, I was test I like it. No, 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:11.719 it was real. It was co written with a woman, 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:16.239 a woman, Barbara Coppleson. Let's go with it. Let's go 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:19.320 with it because so wild to me that Lauren Kasten 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:22.280 wrote this like in the middle of doing Star Wars. 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:26.359 It's like, it's like the chaser for Star Wars for sure. 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:28.399 I mean again, that's like what I liked about is 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:30.200 I was like, Wow, this was a big hit movie 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:32.360 that got nominated for a lot of Oscars, and it's 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:35.600 just about a bunch of people having like personal crises. 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:42.560 It's not about space Wars. It's just like internal space Wars. Also, 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:45.240 I thought it was really interesting that he felt so 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:47.760 bad about cutting Kevin Costner out of the movie that 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:51.040 then his next movie, Silverado. He was like, come back, Kevin, 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:54.600 come on. Kevin was like, alright, fine, I'll do it. 0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:57.320 But I mean that it's like interesting because when they 0:21:57.440 --> 0:22:00.199 talk about cutting his scenes, And what's super weird is 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:02.600 that I have the Blu ray with like all the 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:07.000 deleted scenes, but you cannot get the deleted scenes of 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:09.919 Kevin Costner. They are not to be found. And apparently 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:13.840 it's because they felt like if Alex existed in that 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:18.200 universe that it would overshadow the impressions of Alex. That 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:22.480 make I think that's the right. Probably the wigs were 0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:25.480 so bad and the Thanksgiving flashback that people laughed, that's 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:28.000 so awesome, Like we can't do it because they're supposed 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:31.639 to be like maybe maybe the wigs were, you know, 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:33.800 just fate telling them that. I mean, I think it 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:35.720 makes more sense to not have him around. I think 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:37.919 it's more effective. I think it's a good little like 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:41.320 Gotcha and the opening sequence, You're like, who's this dapper 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:43.760 gentleman getting ready for a night out on the town. 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:49.320 He's dead. It's a horror movie, you know what scene? 0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:52.160 Really it's like so cliche and pathetic, but it gives 0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:55.280 me chills every time. Is the organ doing? Um? You 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:58.200 can't always get what you Yeah, it's so good, you guys, 0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:01.000 It's really like this movie way more than I expected. 0:23:01.400 --> 0:23:04.320 I've seen. I've seen a lot of things that come 0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:09.920 after this. I've seen uh Indian Summer, which I don't 0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:11.520 know if anyone else has seen, but it's a big 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:14.080 chill rip off from the nineties about a group of 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:17.640 friends who meet at a camp and then come back 0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:23.000 to the camp and I'll have sex, uh rekindle old relationships. Um. 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:25.399