Speaker 1: It's one am in Beaumont, South Carolina, and you're listening
Speaker 1: to Nightcall. Hello, and welcome to Night Call, a podcast
Speaker 1: for your strange days and lonely nights. I'm Tess Lynch
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, and with me is Molly Lambert, and
Speaker 1: over in New York we have Emily Oshida. I should
Speaker 1: have done my fake Southern accent like Kevin Klein. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's fake. I looked him up and he's
Speaker 1: from singt Louis, Missouri. But it's such a bad accent.
Speaker 1: But it made me look up where Kevin Klein was
Speaker 1: from because I realized I had no idea, you know
Speaker 1: what it could be. Though. It's one of the thing
Speaker 1: where like, for instance, if you try to do if
Speaker 1: you're from Boston and you try and do a New
Speaker 1: York accent, like it's still you know, you're still yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a contrary to popular belief, there is more
Speaker 1: than one Southern accent. And the Missouri accent is not
Speaker 1: like the Carolina accent exactly. Well, is Missouri sort of midwesty?
Speaker 1: Missouri's the South. It's the South. Yeah, it's not what
Speaker 1: we would call the deep South. This movie takes place
Speaker 1: in the Deep South. This movie that we're about to introduce. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this movie. This this takes some preamble because I feel
Speaker 1: like followers that know us from the hoodies days have
Speaker 1: definitely heard us at least make threats to a Big
Speaker 1: Chill UH Special, a Big Chill super Hour, and we
Speaker 1: are finally making good on that. This week, uh two
Speaker 1: thousand eighteen, we are doing the Big Chill episode, which
Speaker 1: I proposed nothing really other than the fact that Molly
Speaker 1: had never seen The Big Chill. And we're I guess
Speaker 1: officially past spooky season pending election results. Well, this is
Speaker 1: sort of a Thanksgiving movie. It turns out a little
Speaker 1: deleted scene of the deleted scene, a notorious deletedorious deleted
Speaker 1: scene to set up the Big Chill. I've never seen
Speaker 1: The Big Chill. What a terrifying movie to watch in
Speaker 1: your thirties, in your thirties for the first time, because
Speaker 1: I could think about was how old are these people
Speaker 1: supposed to be? And I wanted to say they're on
Speaker 1: the brink of forty, but no, no, no, no, they
Speaker 1: I looked it up. Jeff Goldbloomers thirty one, Glenn Close
Speaker 1: and Kevin Klein were thirty six, but it's like it's
Speaker 1: they didn't have all those k beauty masks back. It's
Speaker 1: also just like it's so eighties that the way the
Speaker 1: way everyone is dressed though, like eighties yuppie American Sloane
Speaker 1: Ranger kind of style is so ancient looking. Well, it
Speaker 1: also to us looks like our parents, who are forever old.
Speaker 1: We will never be able to divorce that look from
Speaker 1: exactly like my parents never dressed like that. You think
Speaker 1: they didn't. But there's like a certain amount of the
Speaker 1: hair dues. One thing I loved how they all have
Speaker 1: the same haircut in this movie. Everybody, man and woman
Speaker 1: has the exact same haircut, a little bit of a flue,
Speaker 1: a little bit of a flue. Sometimes it's curly, sometimes
Speaker 1: it's straight. It's growing out. They're all growing out their part.
Speaker 1: Like speaking of our parents, we definitely respond to this
Speaker 1: in a different way than maybe even listeners of our
Speaker 1: podcasts that that are younger that may don't have boomer
Speaker 1: parents might respond to it, who might just like watch
Speaker 1: it purely for the aesthetics. Um, Like this really does
Speaker 1: feel like the beginning of boomers running everything. This movie,
Speaker 1: Like it feels like the cultural flag being planted of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: now everything is going to have to do with like
Speaker 1: what boomers were into and their college experience and the
Speaker 1: music that they liked them blah blah blah blah. Um
Speaker 1: and and boomers just talking and recording themselves talking and
Speaker 1: then watching themselves talking and like feedback loop of Boomer interests. Uh.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's very Uh it's fun to imagine what
Speaker 1: this movie would be like about any other generation. Um,
Speaker 1: but it's also hard too because it's just so boomer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty boomery, I have to say that. So I
Speaker 1: didn't believe that anyone hadn't seen The Big Chill until
Speaker 1: we found out while we were talking about it. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't remember if it was on the air when
Speaker 1: we were recording Hoodies or before or after. I was
Speaker 1: stunned because it's like I was saying, this is like
Speaker 1: one of Tessa's favorite movies ever, and tests like that
Speaker 1: came to it late. Man. Yeah, I feel like for
Speaker 1: the entire time I've known you, since you were a teenager,
Speaker 1: you've loved like midlife crisis movies. Love them, I love them.
Speaker 1: I've been having a midlife crisis. You can't entire life.
Speaker 1: You just can't wait to be like wearing a camel
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Speaker 1: Message and data rights may apply. Well, but let me
Speaker 1: lay out the movie for anyone who hasn't seen it.
Speaker 1: So it's three, which happens to be the year that
Speaker 1: Molly and I were both born, So the movie belongs
Speaker 1: to us. And it is a Lawrence Casnan movie about
Speaker 1: a group of friends who are reunited by um the
Speaker 1: death of their one of their other friends. Their friend
Speaker 1: who died is played by Kevin Costner, but all of
Speaker 1: his scenes were cut out of the movie, but apparently
Speaker 1: there's a scene where he was like it was a
Speaker 1: flashback scene where he's making Thanksgiving dinner with the rest
Speaker 1: of the cast, and then that ended up being cut um.
Speaker 1: But it's basically this group of you know, friends who
Speaker 1: get together after a long time apart. They go to
Speaker 1: a house in South Carolina and they all spend time
Speaker 1: together surrounding this guy's funeral. Well, what I learned from
Speaker 1: the IMDb trivia section that I read expensively after watching
Speaker 1: it is that the flashback scene would have revealed the
Speaker 1: information that these people all lived in a co op
Speaker 1: together University of Michigan, much like Lawrence Kasden who was
Speaker 1: in a food co op called the Eugene Debs Up,
Speaker 1: like a socialist food up, which then explains why they
Speaker 1: are so comfortable living in a house together and sharing
Speaker 1: the duties of cooking and making food and stuff was
Speaker 1: supposed to be. It is a crazy tale. And I
Speaker 1: was also like, I've known a lot of people who've
Speaker 1: lived in co ops, and there is that dynamic of
Speaker 1: living in a co op with people where everybody's like
Speaker 1: eating together and doing the dishes and like flirting with
Speaker 1: each other all the time. And I liked this movie.
Speaker 1: It was sad. Why sad? Well, I mean maybe it
Speaker 1: wasn't sad. I don't know. It was definitely less like
Speaker 1: peak eighties than I was expecting. I realized, Like as
Speaker 1: I was watching it, I was like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: like three this is kind of like almost still a
Speaker 1: seventies movie. It's just kind of like a story about
Speaker 1: some people with some problems. It's very much like Play.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. It's a total play and I thought
Speaker 1: it was. Also it's kind of like a loose remake
Speaker 1: of Rules of the Game. He said, it's like a
Speaker 1: French country estate, but it's just like a you know,
Speaker 1: a ntry house and some white yuppies who are having
Speaker 1: a lot of issues but having fun having their issue. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: this is what I'm gonna say is I thought the
Speaker 1: reason I thought it wasn't maybe depressing because I was like,
Speaker 1: is this like an upbeat ending spoiler alert, Like everybody
Speaker 1: has sex at the end during like a lightning storm.
Speaker 1: This movie is very horny. Um. But yeah, I was like,
Speaker 1: this movie is sort of like it's like, at first,
Speaker 1: it's all sad about like you've made all your choices
Speaker 1: and you're stuck now in your life forever with your
Speaker 1: like boring life that you chose. Um, nothing like the
Speaker 1: fun life you thought you were going to have when
Speaker 1: you were a hippie living in a co op with
Speaker 1: your cool friends, and now you're confronting it in a
Speaker 1: funeral scenario. But then at the end, it's like everybody
Speaker 1: kind of is like, oh, actually, we still can change
Speaker 1: our minds about stuff still and like let your friend's
Speaker 1: husband knock you up, which is, yeah, that's one of
Speaker 1: that you really wild plot points. I think that's is
Speaker 1: that the transformative moment though, is that like when when
Speaker 1: everybody realizes they still have that good old hippie community
Speaker 1: because they're like, we're going to make a baby together
Speaker 1: as like a friend. But then there's also the fact
Speaker 1: that Nick, who's William hurt Um, decides to stay in
Speaker 1: the house with Chloe's. It is the Haunting of Chill House. Yep,
Speaker 1: is make Chilly like always always doing stretches and like
Speaker 1: like doing contortions and a leotard because she's young and flexible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, because it's to show that it's the eighties. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean like flexible metaphorically she's doing more like you know, Well,
Speaker 1: they don't really. It's funny. They feel like they include her.
Speaker 1: They're not like mean to her just because she's like
Speaker 1: the young I mean, Glenn Close is giving her some
Speaker 1: side eye. But I think at one point Meg Tilly's
Speaker 1: character Chloe, they're all like waxing nostalgic, and then they
Speaker 1: ask her about her past and she's like, oh, I
Speaker 1: don't really talk about the past because I don't about
Speaker 1: it as much as you guys. So she kind of
Speaker 1: represents the like she's not nostalgic yet, because she's still
Speaker 1: at a point where she's still like idealistic and anything
Speaker 1: can happen in her life, and like she's just enjoying
Speaker 1: her she's in her twice. It feels like she's more.
Speaker 1: She doesn't have a tight group of friends though like
Speaker 1: they do. She's yeah, she's a drifter. She's like seems
Speaker 1: like she's just dated a series of older men and
Speaker 1: like she says something to the effect of, I don't
Speaker 1: know that many happy people or something like that. I
Speaker 1: think she's secretly the greatest character. She is a great character.
Speaker 1: And like the leotard that she's doing the stretches and
Speaker 1: at the beginning is like very specifically such an eighties leotard,
Speaker 1: like put me in a weird state of mind. Can
Speaker 1: you imagine how hard it would be to pee if
Speaker 1: you were wearing a leotard overtights? I mean I remember
Speaker 1: how hard it was. Yeah, everyone did. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: some of the things that I knew about this movie,
Speaker 1: the like dancing around the kitchen island and the sixties soundtrack,
Speaker 1: thing like none of it bothered me in the context
Speaker 1: of the movie because it was like possible to see
Speaker 1: it is like, oh, this was the first time some
Speaker 1: of these things happened. Uh so so we should maybe
Speaker 1: like like just do the boiler plate in case people
Speaker 1: haven't seen this movie. Well, Test, I think set it
Speaker 1: up that it's like a funeral friend, one of their friends.
Speaker 1: It's interesting now to know that it's a commune. That's
Speaker 1: like a that's an interesting Yeah. That made it a
Speaker 1: lot more more interesting to me. So this friend of
Speaker 1: there's Kevin Costner who plays corpse in it. Uh he's
Speaker 1: the funk up, but they're all he's kind of a
Speaker 1: funk up. But he's like one of these guys you
Speaker 1: just couldn't decide on what he was going to be,
Speaker 1: and he would like you know, drifted around from job's
Speaker 1: job and then committed suicide while staying at the country
Speaker 1: home of Kevin Klein and Glenn Close's characters who are
Speaker 1: or they've kind of made it. They like own some
Speaker 1: kind of chain of stores. It's going to get store
Speaker 1: and that up. And it's called Running Dog And it's
Speaker 1: from a quote. It's from a quote from Maw that
Speaker 1: says something about the running dogs of capitalism. Whoa if
Speaker 1: you weren't there was a socialist subtext to The Big Chill.
Speaker 1: We found it. It's not even a subtext. It's like
Speaker 1: in the movie again, it makes it interesting. I think
Speaker 1: I teamed out because, yeah, they have the shoes delivered
Speaker 1: from the store so that they can run around and
Speaker 1: play like five football in the yard and the Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there's just a tangle of feelings among these seven friends.
Speaker 1: Is it seven plus plus Meg Tailling? I guess yeah,
Speaker 1: Well if you also you have got account Richard husband
Speaker 1: who eats a mayonnaise sandwich and a glass of milk,
Speaker 1: and that's all you need to know about Richard. And
Speaker 1: then he goes and then leaves the next morning. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm just here for the mannaise sandwich. Yeah. Um, I
Speaker 1: was saying to tests, I found all of the men
Speaker 1: in this movie very attractive. Who most who? Most of all? Uh, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I know that it's just like a basic
Speaker 1: take to be attracted to Jeff Goldbloom, But I was
Speaker 1: never a person who was attracted to Jeff Goldbloom for
Speaker 1: many years, and like suddenly I was like Jeff Goldbloom, Wow,
Speaker 1: what a charming guy, very good at taking imaginary phone
Speaker 1: calls and movies. Yeah, I'll tell you who I was
Speaker 1: most attracted to, and that would be Mary kay Place.
Speaker 1: Oh well, Mary kay Place, Mary Kay plays the maid. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The people who were involved are Kevin. We got Kevin
Speaker 1: and Glenn as Harold and Sarah, and they I read
Speaker 1: something I don't remember where when I was sifting through
Speaker 1: all of these big chill takes that you know, some
Speaker 1: people argue that this is a Southern movie because it's
Speaker 1: all about like looking back, you know, towards history and
Speaker 1: like that. He's the person who's from the South and
Speaker 1: then went to University of Michigan but returned to his
Speaker 1: roots and now he's just returning to his past, but
Speaker 1: everyone else went elsewhere and he's living in like a
Speaker 1: plantation house. Basically yeah. Um. But then neither Kevin Klein
Speaker 1: nor Glenn Close wanted like they thought those were the
Speaker 1: boring roles, and they were a little bit pissed that
Speaker 1: they were cast that way. Not pissed, but they were like,
Speaker 1: all right, everybody wanted to be Mary kay Place. Of course,
Speaker 1: I mean, who wouldn't. Um. And then we have Tom
Speaker 1: Beranger as Sam Webber, who is the like you know,
Speaker 1: kind of accidentally yes, also also also also needless to say,
Speaker 1: Michael gold Jeff Goldblum, who is the entertainment journalist. He's
Speaker 1: the one who's all of us unrelatable, trying to get
Speaker 1: out of con He's trying to get out of content,
Speaker 1: and he's trying to convince himself at the stories he's
Speaker 1: writing for US magazine anything. You know, it's people, isn't
Speaker 1: it people? It was the US, But he started opening
Speaker 1: kids in Harlem and like then got into journalism for
Speaker 1: the money, I guess. Yeah. And he's the one who
Speaker 1: brought the camera to tape everyone very awkwardly but mostly
Speaker 1: himself James Spader and Sexless and Video Tape eighties, bringing
Speaker 1: the camera to tape everybody talking about um and nobody
Speaker 1: wants to have sex with him, That's what and which
Speaker 1: is very surprising. In like a deleted scene, he goes
Speaker 1: up at the funeral, he's introducing himself, like no one
Speaker 1: remembers him, which makes me think he was living in
Speaker 1: the commune. But he was from a younger grade, so
Speaker 1: I would well, he is a little bit younger, reads,
Speaker 1: a little bit younger, so I think he was kind
Speaker 1: of like the interloper who wanted to be cool. He's
Speaker 1: bringing that new wave energy into this otherwise strictly classic
Speaker 1: R and B household. And then there's William Hurt. Yes,
Speaker 1: obviously Nick Carleton, who's a veteran. He is a Vietnam vet.
Speaker 1: He he cannot get a boner or some or or
Speaker 1: does I don't know. My husband is like his dick
Speaker 1: was blown off. Is that it's not really but I
Speaker 1: was envisioning the like born on the fourth of July,
Speaker 1: like pulling your tube out. Yeah, there's something. That's what
Speaker 1: I imagined. Um. He also does a lot of drugs,
Speaker 1: and I find him to be the least attractive in
Speaker 1: this film. He's a babe though still mannerisms wise and
Speaker 1: the dryness of his his sense of humor. He is
Speaker 1: the number one babe number not not exactly, but I like,
Speaker 1: I dated somebody for a summer who was obsessed with
Speaker 1: this movie and uh and obsessed with his character specifically,
Speaker 1: and had the car, had that Porsche like the old Porsche,
Speaker 1: and um and was very much like like him. But
Speaker 1: obviously it did something for me. So interesting babe who's
Speaker 1: drawn to whom I would not have expected that who
Speaker 1: else we got? Okay, So then we have um Meg
Speaker 1: Jones Mary kay Place my girlfriend. Now, um, she is
Speaker 1: a single, professional woman. She's like, I feel like it's
Speaker 1: she's she's a professional business she in Los Angeles. There's
Speaker 1: a point where she's in her office and she's looking
Speaker 1: out over the in the opening credits when you see
Speaker 1: how she has to look at the briefs for the account. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the exactly the briefs. Let's imagine that she works in
Speaker 1: Century City as a lawyer, because that seems right, and
Speaker 1: smoking merits and she just seems really cool. And then
Speaker 1: we have Karen Bowen's Who's Joe Beth Williams. She's kind
Speaker 1: of the token like soap opera cold Dish. She's entrapped
Speaker 1: in a bad marriage to the boring guy, to boring
Speaker 1: guy Richard Bowen. But she used, she clearly used to
Speaker 1: be a fun babe in college and this is reminding
Speaker 1: her of that. Yeah, and she gives a lot of
Speaker 1: longing looks. Can I uh offer a hot take in
Speaker 1: opposition to your enthusiasm for Mary Kay Place here? I
Speaker 1: don't think that. I don't think there are any like
Speaker 1: actually good female characters in this movie, and that was
Speaker 1: that was a realization upon watching it this time, because
Speaker 1: I didn't think that Chloe was the best character. That's
Speaker 1: sort of that's that's the hottest take. But I mean
Speaker 1: I think that if if they had added like one
Speaker 1: or one or two more scenes with her, I think
Speaker 1: you would have you would have an a plus character
Speaker 1: and a very interesting character. And not to be too
Speaker 1: like beck Deli reductionist about it, but like they that
Speaker 1: feeling of like it's me watching Jeff Goldblum just you know,
Speaker 1: in some of yes, the like the literal facts of
Speaker 1: his character and his profession everything, but also just like
Speaker 1: some of the mannerisms and the way he is and
Speaker 1: everything that for me is not there for with any
Speaker 1: of the female characters, mostly because we don't again, we
Speaker 1: don't know what We don't know what Mary ky Place does,
Speaker 1: and like everybody else is just like defined by like
Speaker 1: whether or not they fucked the dead guy, or if
Speaker 1: they like if they like their husbands or not, or
Speaker 1: if they want to stay out of their marriages. Like
Speaker 1: that seems to be the defining crises for most of
Speaker 1: these characters. And yes, everything comes down to sex in
Speaker 1: this movie in the end, but like it's always been
Speaker 1: sex though for all represents not selling out. But I
Speaker 1: thought Glenn Close had a pretty good like you had
Speaker 1: a sense of her backstory. She was involved with Alex, Yeah, Alex,
Speaker 1: but did she have an affair, Yeah, she cheated on
Speaker 1: Kevin Klein with Alex, she gets to cry in their
Speaker 1: shower and the shower early on. But then but then
Speaker 1: by deciding to encourage spoiler again, Kevin Klein to father
Speaker 1: Mary Kay places child, and then to have sex, it's
Speaker 1: like retribution. She's like, now we're even because I had
Speaker 1: an affair with Alex and I carried that guilt and
Speaker 1: now I am basically like enlisting you to have sex
Speaker 1: with my friend, and now it's even. Steven, I don't
Speaker 1: know that feels feels that feels like a fairy. That
Speaker 1: feels such a male screenwriter fabrication, the puppet matter in
Speaker 1: this drange. No, I was test I like it. No,
Speaker 1: it was real. It was co written with a woman,
Speaker 1: a woman, Barbara Coppleson. Let's go with it. Let's go
Speaker 1: with it because so wild to me that Lauren Kasten
Speaker 1: wrote this like in the middle of doing Star Wars.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's like the chaser for Star Wars for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean again, that's like what I liked about is
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, this was a big hit movie
Speaker 1: that got nominated for a lot of Oscars, and it's
Speaker 1: just about a bunch of people having like personal crises.
Speaker 1: It's not about space Wars. It's just like internal space Wars. Also,
Speaker 1: I thought it was really interesting that he felt so
Speaker 1: bad about cutting Kevin Costner out of the movie that
Speaker 1: then his next movie, Silverado. He was like, come back, Kevin,
Speaker 1: come on. Kevin was like, alright, fine, I'll do it.
Speaker 1: But I mean that it's like interesting because when they
Speaker 1: talk about cutting his scenes, And what's super weird is
Speaker 1: that I have the Blu ray with like all the
Speaker 1: deleted scenes, but you cannot get the deleted scenes of
Speaker 1: Kevin Costner. They are not to be found. And apparently
Speaker 1: it's because they felt like if Alex existed in that
Speaker 1: universe that it would overshadow the impressions of Alex. That
Speaker 1: make I think that's the right. Probably the wigs were
Speaker 1: so bad and the Thanksgiving flashback that people laughed, that's
Speaker 1: so awesome, Like we can't do it because they're supposed
Speaker 1: to be like maybe maybe the wigs were, you know,
Speaker 1: just fate telling them that. I mean, I think it
Speaker 1: makes more sense to not have him around. I think
Speaker 1: it's more effective. I think it's a good little like
Speaker 1: Gotcha and the opening sequence, You're like, who's this dapper
Speaker 1: gentleman getting ready for a night out on the town.
Speaker 1: He's dead. It's a horror movie, you know what scene?
Speaker 1: Really it's like so cliche and pathetic, but it gives
Speaker 1: me chills every time. Is the organ doing? Um? You
Speaker 1: can't always get what you Yeah, it's so good, you guys,
Speaker 1: It's really like this movie way more than I expected.
Speaker 1: I've seen. I've seen a lot of things that come
Speaker 1: after this. I've seen uh Indian Summer, which I don't
Speaker 1: know if anyone else has seen, but it's a big
Speaker 1: chill rip off from the nineties about a group of
Speaker 1: friends who meet at a camp and then come back
Speaker 1: to the camp and I'll have sex, uh rekindle old relationships. Um.
Speaker 1: And this movie was formative to me because it is
Speaker 1: where I first learned the word boner. Yeah, because somebody
Speaker 1: gives a long monologue in it about an embarrassing experience
Speaker 1: they had at camp where they had a boner and
Speaker 1: they had to keep. They tried to tape it down
Speaker 1: and it didn't work. It like just like a long
Speaker 1: boner monologue. And then because this was the early nineties
Speaker 1: when when the Internet wasn't a thing really yet, we
Speaker 1: like asked our friend's mom what boner, what a boner was,
Speaker 1: and she was like, go ask your parents. Save parenting
Speaker 1: move was suave. I don't know that I ever did
Speaker 1: ask my own parents or if I just like probably
Speaker 1: like went to the dictionary was something I would do.
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Speaker 1: way too much time thinking about the astrology. Let's start
Speaker 1: off with Harold Kevin Klein. I'm gonna go ahead and
Speaker 1: be like Leo. There's just no question for me. The
Speaker 1: way that he lounges around, the way that he kind
Speaker 1: of has this like confidence that can come off as
Speaker 1: a little bit like just obnoxious. He's kind of commandeering.
Speaker 1: He has his own business, he wears the shirts of
Speaker 1: his own business just to hang out with friends. That's
Speaker 1: totally Leo move. I think he's I think he's an
Speaker 1: Earth sign. I think I didn't know we were doing
Speaker 1: I thought we were just going to be like, well,
Speaker 1: I saw your thread, I started thinking about this and
Speaker 1: I should I think he's a I think he's a
Speaker 1: Taurist or Virgo, but I'm leaving Tauris. I could go
Speaker 1: Virgo because I will tell you who's the Taurists, and
Speaker 1: that would be William hurt is the Taurus. This is
Speaker 1: confusing to me. Okay, so listen. Everyone thinks of the
Speaker 1: Taurists as like the sturdy, reliable, sovereign. No, but I
Speaker 1: think like a person who likes their house, like they
Speaker 1: have two houses. No, they like their drugs and they
Speaker 1: like their cars. I'm married to a Taurus. He's not
Speaker 1: a drug addict. Like, but I really like Island Race.
Speaker 1: It is now Lyndlray over here. I'll just go with
Speaker 1: the ones I felt really strongly about. And I want
Speaker 1: to hear what you thought William Hurt was too, But
Speaker 1: I'm going to say that the taurusts for William Hurt
Speaker 1: And then I really feel like, um, Jeff Goldbloom is
Speaker 1: a cancer. M yeah, I can see that. I feel
Speaker 1: much debate because he's like, he's kind of capricious, but
Speaker 1: he also he has like his own motives and he's
Speaker 1: really bad at hiding them, and he goes after them,
Speaker 1: and he's pretty charming, so eventually you kind of forgive him.
Speaker 1: There's not a lot like what you see is what
Speaker 1: you get emotionally with him, I think, which exactly, which
Speaker 1: is what I think of as a as a cancer.
Speaker 1: And he's tortured. They're very tortured. I think you were
Speaker 1: dead on. I think you said that that Mary kay
Speaker 1: places a Capricorn, which I think that's dead on. Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you. What do you think about Glenn? I said
Speaker 1: Glenn was either a Sagittarius or a Virgo. I'm leaning
Speaker 1: towards Sagittarius kind of like I think she's a Libra.
Speaker 1: A libra. You guys have such strong feelings. I'm thought
Speaker 1: Tom Bringer was, Oh yeah, he could be a Libra too.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean he's like I mean, he's
Speaker 1: the famous person so usually like the famous people in
Speaker 1: fictional work, sorry the leoso. Yeah, but he's reluctantly famous.
Speaker 1: That's what I liked about his character. He's a great character.
Speaker 1: He's he's a fantastic character. He shrinks from himself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that. Tom Barren from Berenger was a great character.
Speaker 1: He was very good. He was sort of I knew
Speaker 1: nothing about him and he was the secret Ace, although
Speaker 1: he was on Cheers for like five seconds. Yeah, how
Speaker 1: did you miss the Tom Berenger connection there? Or you didn't,
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't put it in context. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to find the factoid I saw about how they
Speaker 1: were there was a haunting during the filming. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to know about the haunting. But also so you
Speaker 1: thought we were going to say who Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: this is this is what I came to like, this
Speaker 1: is my my my take about the female characters. And
Speaker 1: I was really thinking about who I am, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I went like for two of the male characters. Uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. There was nothing about the female characters
Speaker 1: where I was like that felt deep enough to be
Speaker 1: like to even have a strong opinion like oh absolutely
Speaker 1: no I'm not like that, or yes, I'm definitely like that.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. That's that's that's how I kind
Speaker 1: of arrived at that. But so you just identify mostly
Speaker 1: with um, with with gold Woman and hurt Uh really? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would not have expected that. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: if you had a little bit more time with MiG Tilly,
Speaker 1: then I might be able to to lean more towards her,
Speaker 1: but I think that there their relationship feels sort of
Speaker 1: recognizable in a way to me. I don't know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think she's a she's a scorpio. You think Chloe's
Speaker 1: a scorpio, I said, aquarious. I thought she was an
Speaker 1: aquarius because it's so hard to get a read on her,
Speaker 1: and then she just comes out with some crying and
Speaker 1: you're like what, and then she's stretching and then she's
Speaker 1: laughing and you're like, this makes sense, total aquarious. I
Speaker 1: thought that Richard Richard is the scorpio for sure. Richard
Speaker 1: being a bad husband whose name you can't ever know,
Speaker 1: he's not sexy enough to be a scorpio. I've known
Speaker 1: a lot of really on sexy scorpios, and I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's like they just pull out their stinger
Speaker 1: and you're just like I didn't want that, and then
Speaker 1: they check out, like they're just like You're like no.
Speaker 1: I spent literally two hours last night thinking I couldn't
Speaker 1: turn off my brain. I have like election anxiety, and
Speaker 1: I was just like, no, I need to think, like
Speaker 1: you needed to do the chart of yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do the chart. I mean, I think like for me,
Speaker 1: I'm like sixty percent Mary kay Place. Maybe like Glenn Close,
Speaker 1: Jeff Goldbloom, can you even is it allowed to split?
Speaker 1: Which is which is your sun moon and rising? I
Speaker 1: don't know. That's a whole other evening. Spent a week
Speaker 1: thinking about this stuff. Honestly, Um, the Big Chill is
Speaker 1: really good escapism because that's what they're doing too is
Speaker 1: and the house is like, looks so comfortable in such
Speaker 1: an eighties way. Like I think I enjoy a lot
Speaker 1: of things in this genre. Have do you guys like
Speaker 1: Wander Last the David Wayne movie. Oh yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1: I always bring it up because I love it so
Speaker 1: much and I feel like it's like a gen X
Speaker 1: Big Chill. You know, it's about people being like, oh,
Speaker 1: like being a yuppie sucks, Like, let's move into this commune. Uh.
Speaker 1: I want to I want to talk about what this
Speaker 1: movie would look like if you if you were to
Speaker 1: do say for the era that we went to college in, Like,
Speaker 1: what would that look like? And if if there's a
Speaker 1: Big Chill circa say we graduated an average of two
Speaker 1: thousand five or two elector yeah, the electric Clash of
Speaker 1: the block House Big Chill, I mean it's really hard,
Speaker 1: Like now that there's we have a better idea of
Speaker 1: like the things that we will be nostalgic for as
Speaker 1: a generation, and like have a clearer picture of a
Speaker 1: clear hindsight of like what was in the air when
Speaker 1: we were in college and what shaped us in that way.
Speaker 1: I really want to know what the odds college graduate,
Speaker 1: the millennial, the millennial big chill would look like, like
Speaker 1: what would be the what would be this on that soundtrack?
Speaker 1: And and what would what would we what would those
Speaker 1: characters do? Yeah, definitely the rapture strokes. I mean you
Speaker 1: could not escape that in college party. I mean LCD
Speaker 1: sound system. I guess if you're going to have it
Speaker 1: was so pervasive, I guess it's starting. Yeah, all your friends.
Speaker 1: I resented its own its own self announcement is like
Speaker 1: I'm the music that signifies this time, but because I
Speaker 1: agree something else. But because of that, you have to
Speaker 1: like acknowledge it. Maybe it's that everyone maybe they make
Speaker 1: fun of it. Why, Like what's the stuff that accidentally
Speaker 1: just became part of the soundtrack? You know. The thing
Speaker 1: that's most strongly conjures college to me is heyya oh yeah,
Speaker 1: wasn't that that would yeah, Hey, I was my freshman
Speaker 1: year of college. I remember dancing at like a Halloween
Speaker 1: party that I associate that was senior year of high school.
Speaker 1: But I'll allow it. I will allow it. Also, Modest
Speaker 1: Mouse was like in the ether, but that was the
Speaker 1: bad time of modest time. It was on its way
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean when did the moon and I
Speaker 1: guess that was that was minute article or something. Maybe earlier,
Speaker 1: Um built a spill I think of as being very collogy.
Speaker 1: Molly and I went to a Bill to Spill concert.
Speaker 1: I think freshman year. Maybe this is like colle This
Speaker 1: was high school for me. But still like deep deep
Speaker 1: nostalgic buttons being pushed to spill are great. We all
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Speaker 1: satanic panic, and Tinky Winky's homosexuality, urban legends like poison,
Speaker 1: Halloween candy, and conspiracy theories like the Illuminati secret plan
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Speaker 1: get your podcasts. Watching this movie is bizarre to me
Speaker 1: because I did the opposite of like communal living in
Speaker 1: college where I wanted to be an adult. I feel like, well,
Speaker 1: I had like I had like a borderline nervous breakdown
Speaker 1: my freshman year where I just I couldn't sleep and
Speaker 1: I stayed up for about five days and I ended
Speaker 1: up getting a job so that I could move off
Speaker 1: campus because um, I couldn't get what's called a psycho single,
Speaker 1: which is when you which is not a nice way
Speaker 1: of swimming this, but everyone was like, oh, you need
Speaker 1: a psycho single. I I still have this thing where
Speaker 1: it's if I'm around people for too much, I feel
Speaker 1: like I need to like have like a day or
Speaker 1: two of solitude um, which is harder communal communal living
Speaker 1: only children. I yeah, you're both only children. It kind
Speaker 1: of like just sucks all the life out of the opposite. Yes,
Speaker 1: I love the socialize. Well, it was always interesting to
Speaker 1: visit you because you lived with the same group of people,
Speaker 1: and I fake lived with the same group of people
Speaker 1: throughout college because I had to have a dorm room,
Speaker 1: so I had like a ghost room, you know, until
Speaker 1: a certain point. And I'm still friends with them and
Speaker 1: we actually still get together. You do reunion trips with
Speaker 1: friends from college, and they're very not like the Big Chill.
Speaker 1: But I mean there is like not like the Big Chill.
Speaker 1: You all rent a house together. We rent a house,
Speaker 1: but we don't all have sex with each other. No,
Speaker 1: but you all like leave your children upstairs, so you
Speaker 1: can probably smoke weed. Well only some of us smoke weed.
Speaker 1: We do. We played, We played a lot of like
Speaker 1: charades and rounds and stuff. It's very weird. But I
Speaker 1: find that, you know, I don't know, I mean maybe
Speaker 1: just because of things like having such a different vibe
Speaker 1: right now, there's a lot less pleasure taken in nostalgia.
Speaker 1: It's almost painful to think back on how different things
Speaker 1: were when we were in college and where we are
Speaker 1: as a country now. But it's also like it's very
Speaker 1: easy to look back at any earlier time and be
Speaker 1: like it was so great, but like I always have
Speaker 1: to remind myself like, oh no, like I've never been
Speaker 1: happy in any time in my life. Politically, when we
Speaker 1: were in college, it was a difficult. Obviously, yeah, we
Speaker 1: thought brings bad and just like there were just times
Speaker 1: like specifically where I'm like, oh, I wish I hadn't
Speaker 1: been so depressed, like in the end of college. And
Speaker 1: then it's just like, I think the thing is that
Speaker 1: the difference with Big Chills that they were like literally
Speaker 1: living in the sixties or they were going to college
Speaker 1: in the sixties. And I think we use the idea
Speaker 1: of like the sixties as a metaphor of some kind
Speaker 1: of like salad days when everybody was optimistic, but that's
Speaker 1: like literally when they were young and relevant in everything,
Speaker 1: and the driving plot of Big Chill, if if you
Speaker 1: see it as them trying to reconnect with their idealistic
Speaker 1: college days when they were literally in the most idealistic time,
Speaker 1: and the twentieth century like we don't have that. It's
Speaker 1: in a way, it's like it's it's kind of like
Speaker 1: a mirror image of just ours was so kind of
Speaker 1: cloaked in negativity. I mean, there are the hopefulness of
Speaker 1: the sixties and then in a way the hopefulness of
Speaker 1: the eighties of this boomer kind of idealistic like we're
Speaker 1: on top of the world, but like diametrically opposed optimism.
Speaker 1: They're like, we all sold out, but look how much
Speaker 1: money we made. Yeah, And what's interesting is, you know
Speaker 1: kind of how how our experience has been kind of contradicted.
Speaker 1: We had the recession, so we didn't even have that
Speaker 1: option at all. So I feel like a lot of
Speaker 1: our generation is like getting radicalized now because now is
Speaker 1: the time when people are like, oh, where are all
Speaker 1: those yuppy things that I was like told all the
Speaker 1: adult stuff if I followed the rules, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's never coming, and everyone took all the stuff and
Speaker 1: that's it. Like, well, that's where the depression angle comes
Speaker 1: in that you were talking about when Molly, when you said, um,
Speaker 1: that looking up their ages was such a like horrible
Speaker 1: thing because I think that that I mean to think
Speaker 1: of like people in their early to mid thirties, and
Speaker 1: all of them, without questions, seemed to be totally financially stable.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, he's no, but he's he's doing something for
Speaker 1: the money. He's got to pitch those stories. He's living
Speaker 1: in New York. Man, I don't know if he's able
Speaker 1: to fly from New York to South Caroline and that club.
Speaker 1: And I bet being being a columnist for People magazine
Speaker 1: and the eighties probably was a pretty cushy jobs, especially
Speaker 1: at thirty one, you know. I mean, and that's what's
Speaker 1: really craziest to think of how few people can afford
Speaker 1: to even like the coats that Joe Beth Williams is wearing.
Speaker 1: Come on, that's Kashmir. Those are dusters like that, you know,
Speaker 1: very impressive. I mean, it's they're all it's it's something
Speaker 1: that's so taken for granted, whereas a big chill movie
Speaker 1: now would inevitably have to encompass, you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of economic Yeah. I say, like when I see a
Speaker 1: lot of old friends, like I feel like sometimes there's
Speaker 1: a lot of just like class, anxiety baked in all
Speaker 1: how is everyone doing? And like, who's got what going on?
Speaker 1: I had a boyfriend throughout call it with two different
Speaker 1: boyfriends throughout college, but neither of them went to school
Speaker 1: with me. So it's well, I'm sorry, but you wouldn't know.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't know my boyfriend he goes to a different school.
Speaker 1: He lives in Canada. Is it fair to say you
Speaker 1: were both too cool for school? I was. I had
Speaker 1: a cat man, were very cool, and I made a
Speaker 1: lot of like roast chicken. I moved at a certain
Speaker 1: point from my like really cute, super tiny studio to
Speaker 1: um it ended up unbeknownst to me. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh wait, is it a retirement community? Into retirement? Everybody
Speaker 1: I moved into her resire and the only other person
Speaker 1: did live in a dorm of sorts. Yes, And the
Speaker 1: only other person who was under the age of fifty
Speaker 1: was a med student. And he was like thrilled that
Speaker 1: I was there, and I was like, no, I'm not
Speaker 1: exciting at all. But they called the people in their
Speaker 1: nineties referred to me as Britney Spears because I would.
Speaker 1: I loved it. I love college. It was my rushmore.
Speaker 1: I totally, just like I just always wanted to go
Speaker 1: to college, and then I did, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is great. I would like to keep doing this forever.
Speaker 1: I was so jealous of your college experience. My college
Speaker 1: was going back home to Iowa during the summers. Like
Speaker 1: that was the most collegiate experience for me, I think
Speaker 1: because I grew up been a college town, uh and
Speaker 1: so kind of had like got primed on what like
Speaker 1: the most stereotypical like big ten Midwestern college experience is
Speaker 1: going to be like, and then kind of had it
Speaker 1: out of my system by the time I actually went
Speaker 1: to college. But then like I would come back home
Speaker 1: and just go to like the college bars and stuff
Speaker 1: in Iowa City and then go back to school and
Speaker 1: just like work and work and work and not hang
Speaker 1: out with anybody like that. That was my way. So
Speaker 1: you never went to that that weird brewery in Westwood Village.
Speaker 1: I went to Westwood Brewery, the Bruco. Yeah, the Bruco.
Speaker 1: I definitely went to some comedy shows at the Bruco.
Speaker 1: I definitely had my friend give me her old idea
Speaker 1: so that I could get into the Bruco. They took
Speaker 1: any I did that was actually a heart. I had
Speaker 1: to be snuck in the back of the Bruco one. Well,
Speaker 1: the rest of it was in Koreatown, like all the
Speaker 1: rest of my like early twenties bar going was in
Speaker 1: kay Town, because that's right. My first apartment in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles was I'm jealous of that. I'm jealous of both
Speaker 1: of you guys. Why was I living in a retirement community?
Speaker 1: Why why did I do that? Oh my god? I
Speaker 1: guess on my soundtrack for for for My Big Chill,
Speaker 1: I would you know what would have to be on there,
Speaker 1: and it would be the thing where everybody would be like,
Speaker 1: oh no, not this song, but then realized then I'll
Speaker 1: start crying and dancing to it. Power out by Arcade Fire,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, totally. I listened to tunnels so much when
Speaker 1: it was like freezing cold and super snowy and I
Speaker 1: was in my retirement home trying to be like, how
Speaker 1: do I get to a bar? And then I was like, oh, look,
Speaker 1: literally you could dig a tunnel, but you're not going
Speaker 1: to do that because it's really cold to go out
Speaker 1: to a bar. I listened to when I was very
Speaker 1: depressed my senior year of college, I like would only
Speaker 1: listen to rap because it would make me less depressed,
Speaker 1: and like indie rock would make me depressed, so obviously,
Speaker 1: so I listened to some cut by Trillville. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my follow that ass in the mall, that is
Speaker 1: my my take me away nostalgia. So I went through
Speaker 1: this weird period where Molly made me. She made me
Speaker 1: a bunch of mixes. I still have them, and one
Speaker 1: of them, senior year, had um Paul Barman's cock Mobster
Speaker 1: on it, and for some reason, when I was really
Speaker 1: like I'm not feeling not feeling great, I would just
Speaker 1: put on cock Mobster. And I totally remember being in
Speaker 1: the car with my mom to visit my grandmother and
Speaker 1: just being like just letting it play, you know, and
Speaker 1: just like inside dying. But it's like worse to change it.
Speaker 1: It was just a nightmare of an expense, Like Paul
Speaker 1: Barman is not even cool, no, but to me, Paul
Speaker 1: Barman is, like it just it packs you up. You're
Speaker 1: in a mood. You want to listen to a cornucopia
Speaker 1: of warmthlopia. Oh my god, it's all all of the
Speaker 1: lyrics are still in my brain ready to come out
Speaker 1: into the microphone. But I don't want to embarrass anyone
Speaker 1: who my dandy voice makes the most anti choice Granny's
Speaker 1: panties voys. And there we have it and we stoop
Speaker 1: no lower. This is Big Chill podcast for you guys.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I like the idea of the underground, the
Speaker 1: backpack or Big Chill. Yeah. Yeah, we should ask our
Speaker 1: listeners for any Big Chill thoughts and also our millennium
Speaker 1: listeners what they think would be on the Millennium Big
Speaker 1: Chill soundtrack. Um, I think it's like the fifth highest
Speaker 1: selling soundtracks of all time. It was on the charts
Speaker 1: for like eighty four weeks. I think it was bananas
Speaker 1: and I feel like Big Chill never won, at least
Speaker 1: never won an Oscar, but was nominated, I think. But
Speaker 1: the soundtrack was like King of the Soundtracks. If you
Speaker 1: put the weight on anything, it's just gonna The weight
Speaker 1: is like a magical there's your rolling Stone song and
Speaker 1: there's your you have the weight, Like there's a couple
Speaker 1: there's like a couple of songs that hit more in
Speaker 1: the like Jefferson Airplane direction. The soundtrack could go on,
Speaker 1: but then the rest of it is just like all Motown,
Speaker 1: which is part of what adds to the like upbeat
Speaker 1: feeling of the yea, maybe you're the sense of this
Speaker 1: isn't like necessarily the clearest cross section of what they
Speaker 1: were listening to at the time, But it's like the
Speaker 1: thing that they would listen to you to like keep
Speaker 1: themselves up. It's the stuff they would pard of morning,
Speaker 1: the records they would listen to in their co op
Speaker 1: when they were like all cooking together, cooking their their
Speaker 1: vegan toss in some romanet give us a nightcall with
Speaker 1: your with your big Chill memories, slash um reboot ideas.
Speaker 1: Who you are from Big Chill? Who's the best person
Speaker 1: in Big Chill? Mary kay place? We'll take it all.
Speaker 1: Should we all get the big chill haircut together? Know
Speaker 1: I already have it. I just Emily just got a
Speaker 1: fresh haircut. She doesn't. Yeah it looks good. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got my anime haircut for the end times. Congratulations. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll all get big Chill perms for the end times.
Speaker 1: I don't need always wanted a really Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: a perm once. I wasn't. I was obsessed with getting
Speaker 1: a perm for such a long time. My hair is
Speaker 1: very hard to perm so it took a lot of Um.
Speaker 1: It took a lot of energy to actually get it
Speaker 1: to like fluffy perfection. I can't explain to you what
Speaker 1: it's like to hear people with straight hair talk about
Speaker 1: how much they want curly. Oh I've been, it's been
Speaker 1: my whole life. I'm like, why straight hair? Why There's
Speaker 1: like that episode of Fresh off the Boat where they
Speaker 1: talk about like the status the status perm or like
Speaker 1: the if they have some name for it, or it's
Speaker 1: like the family is just projected onto the idea of
Speaker 1: a perm as being like the way that you show
Speaker 1: off that you're like a real American family, like to
Speaker 1: four oh four six night there us a call about perms,
Speaker 1: about the end times, about the big Chill, about movie soundtracks, Yeah,
Speaker 1: any and all were post spooky times now, so now
Speaker 1: we're getting into comfort material, comfort food material. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Also send us your best recipes for Thanksgiving foods and
Speaker 1: your least favorite Thanksgiving foods. And we won't talk about
Speaker 1: the condiment that we dare not speak its name, but
Speaker 1: I know we did, but we had to. It was
Speaker 1: part of the movie. It was part of the movie movie.
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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles around the time of Thanksgiving, come to
Speaker 1: our nights Giving dj event at gold Diggers in Hollywood
Speaker 1: the night before Thanksgiving one and we will be djaying.
Speaker 1: Tess and I will be there, Emily will be ghost
Speaker 1: djaying spooky Spirit with Morgjas and perhaps some magic perhaps
Speaker 1: and definitely some merch. Definitely merch. Thanks for listening, Happy,
Speaker 1: big chill everybody,