WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Wisdom Teeth

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Chuck and Jerry sitting in for Dave. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is short Stuff, the uh uh Hurts Edition.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you have your wisdom teeth come in? And did

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<v Speaker 2>you have them removed?

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<v Speaker 1>I had them removed.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, I had mine removed. Kind of at the

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<v Speaker 2>now that I'm reading this sort of a standard time,

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<v Speaker 2>I was probably seventeen years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, no, appreciate the sitation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was my first experience with that, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh wow, yeah that was the gateway drug.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I remember like just kind of looking around, like

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<v Speaker 1>trying to play it off because it wasn't connecting in

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<v Speaker 1>my head that they were the ones who were making

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<v Speaker 1>me feel this way. Yeah, like I was in public

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<v Speaker 1>or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very strange, but yeah, we're talking about wisdom teeth

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<v Speaker 2>aka the third molar, which sometimes start to in there.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, I'm very turned off by how many

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<v Speaker 2>times you type the word erupt in this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't like that, huh?

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<v Speaker 2>I think there were like five or six erupts. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah, it was not pleasant to read that over

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<v Speaker 2>and over, but I will use it once just to

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<v Speaker 2>honor you. They can erupt from the gums. Well, they

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<v Speaker 2>can start to come in as early as like five

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<v Speaker 2>years old and as old as fifteen. But when they

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<v Speaker 2>actually erupt this twice that can usually come that's usually

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<v Speaker 2>like a later thing, like seventeen, maybe all the way

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<v Speaker 2>up to mid twenties.

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<v Speaker 1>And that, friends, is why they call them wisdom teeth.

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<v Speaker 1>That moniker, I hate that word, but it works. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it dates back to the Greeks. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>the Hellenic Greeks or the post Bronze Age Greeks, who knows,

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<v Speaker 1>but their word for wisdom teeth was odantius sophius, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is the teeth of wisdom, is what that means.

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<v Speaker 1>And the whole point is is that these teeth come

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<v Speaker 1>in much later than your other teeth. You've got some

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<v Speaker 1>experience in life by the time your wisdom teeth come in.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why they call them wisdom teeth.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. And if you're wondering why we even have

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<v Speaker 2>these teeth that are many times removed to begin with,

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<v Speaker 2>there's been a lot of debate in theories over the years,

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<v Speaker 2>but it seems pretty clear to me, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>most people basically agree is that we needed them back

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<v Speaker 2>then when Tiktook was out and had a bigger jaw

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<v Speaker 2>to fit these things and was gnawing on nuts and

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<v Speaker 2>raw meat and stuff like that, not cooked food in

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<v Speaker 2>other words, not soft stuff. That they needed these things.

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<v Speaker 2>They had larger jaws, they had bigger teeth, and they

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<v Speaker 2>needed them to chew and grind all this stuff down

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<v Speaker 2>to palatable sized, swallowable stuff. And we just don't need

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<v Speaker 2>that anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>No, because usually people place it around the time of agriculture.

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<v Speaker 1>You can make a case it's much later than that.

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<v Speaker 1>But say with them, the last like several thousand years,

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<v Speaker 1>the human diet changed dramatically, so much so that our

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<v Speaker 1>skulls change shape. My question is this, chuck, didn't our skulls,

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<v Speaker 1>the skulls of modern humans change shape much further back

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<v Speaker 1>than just a few thousand years.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, buddy, you know, I don't know the answer to.

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<v Speaker 1>That, Okay, but I feel like, yeah, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's definitely older than that the skulls are. But

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<v Speaker 1>the people, when you start researching wisdom teeth, they're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the human diet got soft, so our teeth got kind

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<v Speaker 1>of woos and our skulls got shorter and smaller, and

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<v Speaker 1>hence when we get wisdom teeth, there's just not enough

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<v Speaker 1>room for them because we don't need them anymore. But

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<v Speaker 1>stupid natural selection isn't caught up yet and keeps producing

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<v Speaker 1>wisdom teeth in modern Homo sapiens that don't need it

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<v Speaker 1>because we eat a devil ham.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I mean that makes sense to me. Right, you're

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<v Speaker 2>just saying the timeline doesn't match up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the whole Yeah, it makes sense. Sure, it's the timeline.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, yeah, I don't question the timeline. That's your mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, though, when I was researching this, I

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<v Speaker 1>found there's apparently a creationist argument. They used the wisdom teeth,

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<v Speaker 1>like as a vestigial thing, as an argument for creationism,

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<v Speaker 1>because apparently a lot of people are like, well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>clearly evolution. Explain that creationists, and they're like, how about this.

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<v Speaker 1>You're supposed to have three molars, but because of this

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<v Speaker 1>modern human diet that we all agree is making the

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<v Speaker 1>third molar superfluous. That's what did it. You're supposed to know.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's the human intervention that kept us from being

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<v Speaker 1>able to use it, and that's the problem. So I

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<v Speaker 1>thought that was kind of fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting take that podcaster, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Because they took the argument that people who believe in

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<v Speaker 1>natural selection use and turned it on them. They flipped

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<v Speaker 1>us script that very well put.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, so we have four of these, not all

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<v Speaker 2>of them irrupt?

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<v Speaker 1>What else are you going to say?

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<v Speaker 2>Poke, present themselves?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, kind of coming out party, No, present themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Debutante ball show up, Yeah, show up, and about eight

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<v Speaker 2>of ten people, usually one tooth will not come in.

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<v Speaker 2>And the teeth that don't come in are called impacted teeth.

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<v Speaker 2>If you've ever heard like, oh you have impacted wisdom teeth,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what they're talking about. Sometimes they don't develop at all,

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<v Speaker 2>and some people that's called a genesis. But the impaction

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<v Speaker 2>is sort of the start of the show here, because

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<v Speaker 2>that is why you will generally have them removed. Either

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<v Speaker 2>they're impacted or they're coming through and just crowding things

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<v Speaker 2>and making life a problem for your other molars.

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<v Speaker 1>Like poor Lisa Simpson when they showed that age progression

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<v Speaker 1>of what she would look like if she didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>dental insurance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>The braces. I say, we take our break and then

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<v Speaker 1>come back and talk about wisdom teeth.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's do it. Job. So the main reason

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<v Speaker 2>why they're impacted to begin with is kind of what

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<v Speaker 2>we've been talking about. There's just not enough space back

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<v Speaker 2>there for some people. And when they're developing that space

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<v Speaker 2>is like you know, there's teeth there and for most people,

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<v Speaker 2>and so those teeth can get really well impacted by

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<v Speaker 2>the wisdom teeth not being impacted.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that was great, man. Yeah, there's just not enough

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<v Speaker 1>room because your other teeth have shown up, right, another one.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the thing that really kind of comes home

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<v Speaker 1>to me. Your jaw might not actually be the size

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<v Speaker 1>that it would be if you ate harder foods. And

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, I saw it recommended to make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>your kids have a nice set of chompers as they

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<v Speaker 1>get older, like once they start eating solid food, start

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<v Speaker 1>getting giving them stuff that challenges their teeth because as

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<v Speaker 1>you're chewing, the more you chew, that promotes bone growth

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<v Speaker 1>in your jaw, and it can actually make your jaw

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<v Speaker 1>a little longer, so that if your jaws just slightly longer,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to have that room for the third molar

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<v Speaker 1>that you otherwise wouldn't. Well, again, we come back to

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<v Speaker 1>the Western industrialized diet that is soft enough that the

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<v Speaker 1>teeth aren't challenged quite as much, so the jaw doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>grow quite as well to accommodate the third molar. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I might have just I think I might have

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<v Speaker 1>just been born again. I guess did you square the timeline? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you have room for the third molar after all.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. But space isn't like every bit of this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just about space. There is some stuff about

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<v Speaker 2>it that science really hasn't explained why they might become impacted.

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<v Speaker 2>Because apes don't have impacted wisdom teeth, which I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think we mentioned. Some of our primate friends, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>have wisdom teeth still, which is great, good for them.

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<v Speaker 1>There's that natural selection thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. The extraction has become a really common thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you know, I don't know about numbers, but I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like most people these days, at least in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States, will have their wisdom teeth removed. But you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to. It's not like you really need to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to your dentist and eventual oral surgeon if it's

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<v Speaker 2>really really necessary. Because I don't know, I'm not a

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracy theorist, but sometimes I get the feeling that they

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<v Speaker 2>push this on people who don't necessarily need it, because

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<v Speaker 2>that's their business.

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<v Speaker 1>After our orthodontia episode, my eyes were kind of opened

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit too. Yeah, supposedly your dentists should essentially

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<v Speaker 1>tell you, let's take a wait and see approach to this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like, get your teeth checked every six months

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll keep an eye on it, and if they

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<v Speaker 1>start to come in wonky, we'll get rid of them.

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<v Speaker 1>But wisdom teeth can come in normal healthy, can actually

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<v Speaker 1>help promote like further bone growth and stabilization and development,

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<v Speaker 1>to help your teeth stay in your head better. And

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<v Speaker 1>in that case, you shouldn't remove your wisdom teeth. You

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't also, I think, prophylactically remove them just in case

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<v Speaker 1>they come in wonky. Right, So that's supposedly the consensus,

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<v Speaker 1>or that should the consensus, that you shouldn't take them

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<v Speaker 1>out proactively, and this University of Sayskatchewan evolutionary anthropologist Julia Bonner.

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<v Speaker 1>She's basically comparing getting your wisdom teeth removed unnecessarily to

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<v Speaker 1>what we used to do with kids getting their tonsils removed.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, interesting, you know part of the problem with

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<v Speaker 2>my teeth that are no longer a part of my

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<v Speaker 2>body was bone loss. So I'm wondering if I would

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<v Speaker 2>have benefited by leaving those wisdom teeth in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably sure, I mean, like it definitely helps you keep

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<v Speaker 1>generating bone. But also, like I was saying earlier, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to also eat hard foods too, nothing but like

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<v Speaker 1>rock candy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I also don't remember my deal. I just remember

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<v Speaker 2>they were like, you need your wisdom teeth out, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember if they were impacted or what the

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<v Speaker 2>deal was. I feel like I remember them coming erupting

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit, but I also don't trust my memory

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<v Speaker 2>of that. The only thing I remember is coming out

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<v Speaker 2>of the anesthesia and hallucinating. Don't ever tell the story.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds vaguely familiarbody, you should definitely tell me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I came out when I was seventeen of my

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<v Speaker 2>first anesthetic experience and hallucinated a poster on the wall

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<v Speaker 2>that said locomotive Lasagna and then later on obviously it

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<v Speaker 2>was a poster of whatever, like some sort of dental poster.

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<v Speaker 2>But my theory is is that they were screwing with

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<v Speaker 2>me and switch out this weird poster for children coming

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<v Speaker 2>off their first drug experience.

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<v Speaker 1>It's awesome. That would be a fun thing to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll bet the cursing dentist does that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I don't know why none of my bands

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<v Speaker 2>that I've ever been in or Locomotive Lasagna. That was

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<v Speaker 2>just right there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think that's a either a song name or

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<v Speaker 1>an album name. I don't know about a band name.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Oh well it's not over. Then I can just

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<v Speaker 2>write a song for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to hear that one.

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<v Speaker 2>I already got a lyric local Locomotive Lasagna. What do

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<v Speaker 2>you mean?

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<v Speaker 1>How about this? Let's write this together. I'm Bernie Topping

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<v Speaker 1>Locomotive Lasagna. What's going on you right?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Man, genius?

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<v Speaker 1>This thing just writes itself, It really does. We should

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<v Speaker 1>say there's another reason besides this surgery being potentially unnecessary,

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<v Speaker 1>for why you should wait and see keep an eye

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<v Speaker 1>on your wisdom, teeth, throat and have them taken it out.

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<v Speaker 1>There's risks to having oral surgery, like you can damage

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<v Speaker 1>nerves and tissue and your jawbone like sometimes I know

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<v Speaker 1>you mean, She said her oral surgeon was sweating. He

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<v Speaker 1>was having so much trouble pulling hers out. She just

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<v Speaker 1>got local anesthetic and she regretted it quite a bit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and the guy was working hard so that it can

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<v Speaker 1>actually cause damage to get your wisdom teeth removed, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why they say if they're healthy and they're in,

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<v Speaker 1>just leaving them alone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And uh, she should have known this is coming

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<v Speaker 2>because he had a baseball cap on that said never

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<v Speaker 2>let him see you a sweat and he just turned

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<v Speaker 2>it around backwards when she got in the chair.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, man. Can you imagine having your dentist sweat

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<v Speaker 1>on you.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's not a good look.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I guess short, stuff's out, don't you agree?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so. Stuff you Should Know is a production

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<v Speaker 2>favorite shows.