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Speaker 1: Good morning. It's Thursday, the thirty first of August here

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Speaker 1: in London. This is the Bloomberg Daybreak You podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm Caroline Hetki and I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today,

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Speaker 2: Swiss lander UBS post record profits as its Credit Sweeze

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Speaker 2: takeover looks to be paying off, the.

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Speaker 1: Chinese mega developer Country Garden posts a record loss and

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Speaker 1: warms of default.

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Speaker 2: Plus we take a closer look at the fallout from

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Speaker 2: Europe's biggest tax scandal and why the investigation just keeps growing.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. UBS

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Speaker 1: has reported record profits in the wake of its emergency

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Speaker 1: takeover of Credit sweet. The bank made again of just

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Speaker 1: under twenty nine billion dollars in the second quarter. CEO

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Speaker 1: Sergio A. Motti has told Bloomberg the size of the

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Speaker 1: integration is unheard of.

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Speaker 3: This is huge and allow us to really think about

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Speaker 3: how can we now go to the next level. So

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Speaker 3: now we are very focused on integration, on executing our

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Speaker 3: current plans, but we can't forget that the competition on

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Speaker 3: the market is evolving and we need to stay very focused.

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Speaker 1: And you can get that full interview with the CEO

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Speaker 1: of UBS, Serja Emoti on the Bloomberg Talks podcast all

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Speaker 1: of our key conversations in one place. In terms of

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Speaker 1: the numbers, after stripping out the acquisition costs and negative

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Speaker 1: goodwill from the credit squeeze take of a pretext, profits

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Speaker 1: for UBS were a more modest one point one billion dollars.

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Speaker 2: We've also had the news about job cuts coming from UBS,

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Speaker 2: saying that they're going to cut an additional two thousand

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Speaker 2: Swiss jobs over the next few years, and a thousand

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Speaker 2: job cuts will result from the Swiss unit integration as well.

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Speaker 2: Turning to some other news, the Chinese developer Country Garden

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Speaker 2: has warned that it made default on its debt and

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Speaker 2: raised concerns about staying in business. The warning came as

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Speaker 2: the property giant posted a record first half loss of

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Speaker 2: almost seven billion dollars. Shazad Kasim, managing director of China

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Speaker 2: Beige Book, says investors should brace for more negative of news.

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Speaker 4: I think we get bad property news, more problems with

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Speaker 4: developers at least for the next couple of years, and

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Speaker 4: we really still haven't found the floor and property prices either,

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Speaker 4: so I think investors should breaze for more bad news ahead.

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Speaker 2: Over here, the deepening real estate slump in China mentioned

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Speaker 2: there bishez Ad Cazin was among a host of negative

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Speaker 2: factors that helped to push down the country's latest economic

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Speaker 2: survey data. China Services PMI dipped to fifty one in August,

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Speaker 2: while the reading above fifty indicated a slight expansion in

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Speaker 2: the sector.

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Speaker 1: A hedge fund founded by two former Citadel traders so

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Speaker 1: its portfolio dropped by a court up this year. Fifth

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Speaker 1: Delta was the biggest startup of its kind in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one, but it has struggled since then to meet expectations.

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Speaker 1: Data from Bloomberg shows that it's peers by an average

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Speaker 1: of over six percent this year.

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Speaker 2: The year long slump in the UK's private sector is

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Speaker 2: set to continue for at least three months. That's according

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Speaker 2: to new figures from the Confederation of British Industry. Bloomberg's

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Speaker 2: Jack Ryan reports.

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Speaker 5: This is the latest indicator of a gloomy outlook for

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Speaker 5: the UK economy. Business is surveyed by the CBI say

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Speaker 5: they're cutting back on investment as they suffer from lower demand,

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Speaker 5: cost pressures and higher debt repayments. The report shows manufacturing

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Speaker 5: output falling at the sharpest rate in almost three years,

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Speaker 5: while services continue to slide. The findings suggest that the

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Speaker 5: trend is likely to continue in the coming months, but

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Speaker 5: a separate survey from Lloyd's is more optimistic, with business

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Speaker 5: confidence surging to an eighteen month high. In August in London,

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Speaker 5: I'm Jack Ryan Bloomberg Daybreak Europe.

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Speaker 1: In the US Senate, Republican leader Mitch McConnell froze in

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Speaker 1: public for the second time in as many months. The

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Speaker 1: eighty one year old political veteran and struggled to answer

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Speaker 1: a reporter's question about his re election plans.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I had heard out hearlier.

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Speaker 5: That's okay.

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Speaker 6: What are your thoughts on running for reelection.

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Speaker 5: In twenty twenty six?

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Speaker 6: I thought about what.

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Speaker 5: Running for re election in twenty four says?

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Speaker 6: Did you hear the question? Senator running for reelection in

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty six? All right, I'm sorry, you are were

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Speaker 6: going to need a minute.

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Speaker 1: The episode raises further health concerns for Mitch McConnell, who

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Speaker 1: is a major fundraiser and force in the Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: His spokesman said the senator felt momentarily lightheaded and pause

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Speaker 1: during his press conference and plans to consult a.

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Speaker 2: Doctor, so it's this tel Bloomberg, Apple is testing the

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Speaker 2: use of three D printers to produce the steel cases

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Speaker 2: for some of its upcoming smart watches. The story from

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Speaker 2: Bloomberg's Charlie Pallas.

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Speaker 7: It would herald a major change to how the company

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Speaker 7: manufactures products. The technique would do away with the need

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Speaker 7: to cut large slabs of metal into the product shape.

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Speaker 7: Sources say that would reduce the time it takes to

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Speaker 7: build devices, while also helping the environment by using less material.

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Speaker 7: The new approach has the potential to streamline Apple's supply

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Speaker 7: chain and kickoff a broader shift in New York. Charlie Power, Bloomberg, Daybreak, Europe.

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Speaker 1: And finally, Elon Musk's social media network X is planning

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Speaker 1: to gather more data from users than ever before. The network,

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Speaker 1: formerly known as Twitter, says that it will collect biometric data,

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Speaker 1: which can include account holders, retina pattern and thumbprint. X

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Speaker 1: also updated its privacy policy to collect information on account

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Speaker 1: holders employment and education history. We often like to talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit about lifestyle and what you spend your

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Speaker 1: cash on. Do you buy expensive handbags, watches, coats?

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Speaker 2: The most expensive thing I think I carry on with

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Speaker 2: myself as my wirelast and that I've had for about

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Speaker 2: ten years. It says a lot about me.

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Speaker 7: Probably.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 1: Apparently now some of the big luxury houses you know

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Speaker 1: that have been obviously trying to grapple with fakes for

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Speaker 1: so long the trade in fakes, now they're using blockchain

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Speaker 1: to try to prove the origin of their most kind

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Speaker 1: of coveted items. And this was discovered by one of

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Speaker 1: our own reporters, Anna Irrera. She'd bought a handbag and

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Speaker 1: when she pulled out on the little card inside it

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Speaker 2: I think this is really interesting because I feel as

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Speaker 2: if the promise of blockchain has been touted so much

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Speaker 2: and yet we're not seeing that many real world applications

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Speaker 2: of it. And this is, okay, granted, not exactly mass market,

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Speaker 2: but it is an indication of how you can use

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Speaker 2: something like the blockchain to validate the authenticity of something

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Speaker 2: that is so rare and treasured by many. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: perhaps it might be a little bit longer before we

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Speaker 2: see it in greater use in other parts of the world.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of lot to talk about

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Speaker 2: how regulation has made it quite difficult to the employment

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Speaker 2: blockchain in the finance industry, for example, a good example

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Speaker 2: of a real world application of the blockchain.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a Mew Mew handbag apparently film Frada

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Speaker 1: and they're using Aura blockchain. So if you wanted the

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Speaker 1: details on it. Anyway, there's more on that store on

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Speaker 1: the bloombig tuminal.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's bring you more now. Our top story in

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Speaker 2: the news that UBS posting its biggest ever quarterly profit

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Speaker 2: for a bank in the second quarter. The CEO of UBS,

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Speaker 2: Sergy or Muti, has been speaking to Bloomberg's editor at large,

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Speaker 2: Francine Lacqua, almost three months since the deal to acquire

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Speaker 2: Credit Suite was unveiled. Or Mutti says that combining the

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Speaker 2: firms will lead to job losses across their global workforce.

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Speaker 3: Well, of course, in our industry, is very difficult to

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Speaker 3: do restructuring the deep restructurally necessary a credit suits and

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Speaker 3: that is driven by real estate planning, by rationalizing legal entities,

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Speaker 3: and by it platforms shutdowns on the account front. First

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Speaker 3: we're going to have to take some paractic actions in

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Speaker 3: redundancies in the years to come, mainly in Switzerland, no,

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Speaker 3: I think this is something that will affect, of course,

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Speaker 3: have around three thousand jobs that will be made redundant

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Speaker 3: our decision to integrate the Swiss Bank. If we would

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Speaker 3: have had to reduce it by six hundreds, So the

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Speaker 3: very healthy labor market in Switzerland. You know, according to

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Speaker 3: banking industry, there are more than six thousand jobs open.

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Speaker 3: Open jobs in Switzerland is not one for one the profile,

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Speaker 3: also helping our the people affected with financial retraining riskilling

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Speaker 6: Overall, thirty five thousand jobs. Too soon to say what

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Speaker 6: your final headcount will look like in two years.

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Speaker 3: We will. We are not talking about it counts. So

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Speaker 3: is changing. What I can tell you is that since

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Speaker 3: This is a consequence of the cost measures that Credit

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Speaker 2: That was the CEO of UBS, Sergio or Maati, speaking

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Speaker 2: to Boomberg's editor at large, Francine Laque.

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Speaker 1: And Fancine joins us now to discuss the interview with

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Speaker 1: the man of the moment, Matty. Good morning, Fancine, Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for taking the time to speak to us

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Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio. Just listening to that interview, good morning,

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Speaker 1: and Marti seems really quite confident about the combination. It's

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Speaker 1: been well received by vesus A share price is up today.

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Speaker 1: Having said that, talk of job cuts on the way.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and we always knew that A good morning to

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Speaker 6: both of you, that a lot of job cuts were coming.

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Speaker 6: He was very careful, and I think this is out

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Speaker 6: of respect to employees that must be feeling very uncertain

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Speaker 6: about their future. Again, this was a shock to many

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Speaker 6: that this craty sweet, huge bank got taken over. So

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Speaker 6: he did talk for the first time about job cuts,

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Speaker 6: but he really kept it very specific to the Swiss Bank. Again,

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Speaker 6: this is a political hot potato in a country that

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Speaker 6: will also go to the polls in two three months,

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Speaker 6: so I think he wanted to put that to bed

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Speaker 6: and make sure that everyone knew where they were standing.

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Speaker 6: When you look at the profit, it's a huge number

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Speaker 6: reported a twenty nine billion dollar profit, but again the

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Speaker 6: boost came primarily from this accounting concept item called goodwill,

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Speaker 6: So I don't know if it's a huge, wonderful profit.

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Speaker 6: Certainly the share prices up five percent because this was

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Speaker 6: probably a good deal, and we've been speaking to a

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Speaker 6: lot of investors. They say, look, they bought pretty sweez.

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Speaker 6: They're going to integrate it. As long as they execute

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Speaker 6: and do the execution. Well, this is a positive because

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Speaker 6: they didn't overpay for it. And at the end of

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Speaker 6: the day, what we were worried about back then, remember

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Speaker 6: it was only five months ago that this combination or

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Speaker 6: I mean, they're huge complexity. First of all, the global

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Speaker 6: That's great. Can they continue We also spoke with Surgiromodi

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Speaker 6: complexity is making sure that they get everything right that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean obviously Sergia and MOSTI having been

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Speaker 6: Well, this is probably the billion dollar question. A lot

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Speaker 6: of it will be on execution, when what he's trying

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Speaker 6: that's when it becomes really difficult. And remody so far

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Speaker 6: you know how big are the losses that UBS expects

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Speaker 6: I think how he measured success is where he'll probably

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Speaker 6: we don't one hundred percent know what this large uber bank,

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Speaker 2: It was big news fan scene when Sergio Ramarti came

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Speaker 6: Well, he was very respected chief executive. Is there's one

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Speaker 6: but also understands ubs deeply. It was probably him. I

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Speaker 6: think he likes the challenge. We've spoken a couple of times,

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Speaker 6: eighty one, you were completely wiped out. And that he

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