WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 072322 Racist Sports Fans (Part 2) 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:06.080 And now move my mic back. You're like that. 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:11.840 You can strikes with waters from headquarters behind him. 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:16.239 And well, if you're just tuning in the civic c 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:19.120 sacher around your host Rams' joh he is John, I 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:22.360 am q ward, this is CIVI excither this indeed stick around. 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:24.000 We still had a lot more to talk about, including 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:28.240 racism and sports. It's not just in the parades these days. 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:31.600 And we're also going to spend a little time talking 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:38.560 about Jim Crow for our way Black History fact as well. Yeah, 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:41.320 a lot of stuff to talk about. I wish I 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:44.159 had more time because there's more there, but just the 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:50.199 way the show goes, yes, everything requires a little bit 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:52.839 of nuance, but trying to give a little grace. But 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:56.400 for now, let's discuss how to become a better ally BAA. 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:03.640 So this one comes from the hill. Nine to eight 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:07.279 eight is officially live, all right. So with last week's 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:09.200 official launch of nine to eight eight, the number to 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:12.880 contact the National Suicide Prevention Line, individual seeking help for 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:17.280 suicide prevention or mental health crisis will quickly be connected 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:20.440 to a trained crisis counselor who can provide support over 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:24.480 the phone and dispatch a mobile response unit if necessary, 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:25.960 to take that person to a place where they can 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.680 get more help. Nine eight eight is the product of 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:32.600 the National Suicide Hotline Designation Act of twenty twenty, a 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:35.640 federal law aimed at creating and easy to remember, easy 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:38.319 to access pathway to mental health care when people need 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:42.040 it most. Essentially, it is designed to function as the 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.840 equivalent to the nine to one one emergency number, but 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:52.400 for mental health emergencies rather than medical ones. So the 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:55.080 reason Maggie put this one in the script for us 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:59.160 today is because there are a lot of instances that 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:04.040 we talk about on show, and we've seen her heartbreak 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:06.240 over and over again. Our hearts breakout all the time, 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:11.320 almost every week, and a lot of those stories have 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:16.760 to do with people being overwhelmed by the realities and 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:19.680 they don't know how to process that, and mentally they 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.400 just are at their wits end. And you never know 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.240 how you're going to behave until you get there. And 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:28.360 we see people having mental crisises, mental breakdowns, et cetera. 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:32.320 And what happens is we call the police, and the 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:35.880 police often lack the training, and sometimes those incidents turn 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:38.760 fatal when they don't need to. So now there is 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:40.800 a new number that you can call for a mental 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:43.640 health episode rather than calling nine to one one. Again, 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:46.480 that number is nine to eighty eight and it is 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:59.680 here to stay nationally. Moving on sports, all right. 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:01.600 How you want to do this one? You you want 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:05.280 to take this one? You tell us what happened. I'll 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:07.080 give my take. We'll do it like we always do. 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.480 All right, let's do it, all right? So this one 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:14.520 comes from Sports Illustrated dot com. It's about Lebron James. 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:19.480 It's about racist fans and sports. Or it's from Lebron James, 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:20.280 from Lebron Jay. 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:23.600 And if it was just an isolated incident, we wouldn't 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:25.160 make a big deal out of it. But we have 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.600 several documented examples, and of course once we start to 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.880 read them several thousand, this will make sense. This will 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:34.160 be real in your world too. You'd be like, oh yeah, 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:37.680 I kind of know what they're talking about. All right, Okay, 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.880 this comes from Lebron James. This quote that I'm going 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:48.720 to quote. Because they racist as f that's why they 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:52.800 will say anything. And it's fine. I mean, if it's 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:56.119 my wife, she's been dealing with them her whole life, 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:58.840 I don't mind it. I hear it. I hear someone 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:01.640 close by, I check them real quick. I move on 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:06.480 to the game. Whatever the F or whatever the F 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.200 they're going to say, whatever the F they want to say, 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:12.000 they might throw something. I got a beer thrown on 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:15.520 me leaving a game. So this is Lebron James talking 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:24.560 about playing in Boston, Massachusetts. And when we were trying 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:28.760 to figure out how to approach this topic for today's show, 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.360 I talked to some other sports people. I've been to Boston. 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:35.240 It was pretty cool, But I never been to a 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:40.320 game in Boston, you know. And Maggie, you're from there, 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:47.040 aren't you. Yeah? Yeah. So now it turns out this 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:52.960 is this checks out. Unfortunately it does. Okay, all right, 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:57.400 I'll continue. Lebron then asserted that the Celtics sold apparel 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:02.680 that was intentionally disparaging towards him. There was like a 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:08.839 f LBJ T shirt. I believe they probably sold it 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:12.000 at the efing team shop. They sold it at the 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:15.880 team shop. I'm like the Celtics. The Celtics had something 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:20.360 to do with that stuff. Safe to say, if Lebron 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:24.000 does ever leave the Lakers, he's definitely not taking a 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:30.040 free agent meeting with the Boston Celtics. Okay, before we 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:37.240 move on to some of the other stories, hercue, make 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:46.800 this live a little bit for us easy. There has 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:57.960 been this long living narrative in this country. Unfortunately, the 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:01.560 torch for this narrative is carried far too often by 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:07.760 people who look like Ramses and I. Ramses has heard 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:12.240 me get annoyed, frustrated and angry with one of our 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:16.320 colleagues in media. And I will say his name, a 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:20.080 gentleman by the name of Jason Whitlock, who believes that 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:26.240 with success, black people grow out of racism. If you 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:31.039 got to Benz and some money, what are you talking about? Racist? How? 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:34.400 How is this a racist country for you? Right? 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.440 In his mind it doesn't stop existing altogether, but for 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:41.640 you it does, Ramses, you got a diamond watch on you, right, 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.760 America can't be racist to you. You're on the radio 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:49.760 in thirty cities and counting. What do you what other country, 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.760 as our listener who wrote our letter, would allow you 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:54.839 to do such a thing? 0:06:55.839 --> 0:07:00.279 Definitely not a racist one. There is something about the 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:05.960 idea that you can achieve your way beyond the racist 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:14.320 ideals of a racist, bigoted society, as if those beliefs 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:17.200 are based on our lack of ability to achieve. They're 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:24.200 not racist. People aren't racist towards us because we are underachievers. 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:25.560 Our history of. 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:36.920 Invention, our history of athletic achievement, our history of ingenuity, 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:40.120 our history of overcoming, our history of thriving is very 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:44.520 very well documented. There are movies and television shows, and 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:49.640 they gave us Black History Month where they spend a 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:53.720 lot of time reminding this country of the excellent things 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.920 that we've done and continue to do, from movies to 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.240 sports to entertainment. To people at the top of all 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:02.560 of those lists, like us. That has nothing to do 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:08.440 with it. And unfortunately, in these spaces when you're home, 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:14.240 there are thousands of people cheering your names. Large portions 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.920 of those people look nothing like you, so it's very 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:24.800 very easy to forget where you are. It only takes 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:28.760 for you to be a visitor in places like Salt 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:32.480 Lake City, Utah, and we'll talk about that in Boston, Massachusetts, 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:35.240 just to name a couple, for those people to not 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:39.920 just remind you that you don't play for their home team, 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:42.120 but that they are on a different team than you. 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:46.280 All together, it has nothing to do with the color 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:50.040 of the jersey on your back, but the melon and 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:54.760 the skin that you walk around and live in every day, 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.760 there is no level of achievement that you can reach 0:08:57.840 --> 0:08:59.640 that will make the racist look at you and say, 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.840 oh my bad. 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:02.960 I was tripping. 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:10.720 He speaks so well, he runs so fast, his voice 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:16.920 is so angelic. No, you can still be all of 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:21.200 those things and still be looked at with the same eye. 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:25.400 And there was a film I think Regina King directed. 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:30.720 It's called One Night in Miami, based on a true story. 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:34.520 The movie is not delivered as fact, but it pulls 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:37.800 from actual events with the actual people in the movie 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:41.160 some of the most famous black people in history, Muhammad Ali, 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:47.599 Malcolm X, Sam Cook, and Jim Brown. And there's a 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.000 scene in that movie that stands out to me. I 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.600 think this is nineteen sixties United. 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.920 States, right. You mentioned Jim Crow, which we're going to 0:09:55.920 --> 0:10:00.720 talk about later, but this is America, right. Jim Brown 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:03.800 at the time might be the fourth most famous person 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.760 on earth, not just black. And there is a scene 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:09.080 where he goes back to Georgia, where he's from, and 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:13.080 goes to visit a family that his family has ties to. 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:17.120 He is greeted very very affectionately by the lady of 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.200 the house. I think she's the daughter of the homeowner, 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:23.360 and then the homeowner himself, who is thrilled to see Jim. 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:26.560 She brings them some lemonade to drink outside. They sit, 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.320 they talk, they catch up, and this man is just 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:33.520 letting Jim know how very proud of him he is. 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:37.040 And you can see a sense of self pride and 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:41.840 self efficacy in Jim as he receives this admiration and 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:46.560 adoration from his family friend who's so proud of all 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:50.560 of his accomplishments. The daughter at one point needs help 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:52.960 with something in the house, and it's something physical. She 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:57.400 needs a man to help her. Jim, as naturally inclined, 0:10:58.120 --> 0:10:59.600 jumps up to help as well. 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:03.719 But it's told by the homeowner, no, no, no, no no. 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.120 In words are not allowed in our house. And he 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:11.319 says it to him with no hesitation and a smile 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.840 on his face, as if he's not even aware that 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:17.160 he just said something offensive. It's just the way things 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:25.880 were at the time. Some things change, some things remain 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:30.000 the same. Jim Brown, one of the most accomplished and 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.360 famous people in the history of our country, who also 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.960 just so happens to be black, is reminded in an 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:40.160 instant by somebody who presents himself as someone who cares 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:43.240 about him. You can't come in my house, Jim, like, 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:48.160 as if to say, what were you What were you thinking? 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:51.240 Him? You can't come in my house. I know I 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.800 said all those great things about you ten seconds ago, 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:58.840 but you're still an in word. This is the country 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:03.360 that we lived in then. Unfortunately, and though they be 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:08.640 the minority, the powers that be in the country that 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:12.120 we live in now are from that same school of thought. 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:17.319 And because white supremacy and racism ultimately go unchecked. I mean, 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:19.520 somebody can make you out to be a bad person, 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:23.720 but there's no actual penalty for being a racist bigot 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:27.680 except people in the public looking at you kind of funny, 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:32.760 you know, some people and some people only in the 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:34.959 public looking at you kind of funny. They might send 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.640 you a message earlier like yeah, you told him, But 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:41.360 nobody wants to appear to be racist in front of others. Right. 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:46.280 Racist people get offended by being called racist while being racist. Right, 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:48.800 They're offended by the idea, how dare you refer to 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.000 me as that? But I'm going to continue to act 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:55.680 in direct alignment with the definition of racism in front 0:12:55.679 --> 0:13:03.480 of everyone out loud on camera, right, So your hopefulness 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.680 and I smile and kind of laugh at it as 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:13.000 a bit of naivete, but it reminds me of a 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:17.439 truth that it's easy to ignore because it doesn't live 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:21.160 in front of us. I do believe more people in 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:28.080 this country feel like you. I believe that that's true. Unfortunately, 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:31.199 the people that feel the opposite still make our laws, 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:35.960 still run our courts, and still govern our cities. And 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:38.200 as long as that's true, I don't care how hopeful 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:41.439 you guys are. Our reality remains the same. So I 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:43.720 don't get to smile and cheer and be as bubbly 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.920 about the ideals of the things that we think should 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:50.199 be true, because the things that are true still suck. 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:53.040 I'm sorry for saying it so plainly. That's okay, let 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.720 me jump in right here. One thing that I do 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:59.960 want to say is that I can't change who I am, 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:06.000 and I believe tomorrow is going to be better than today. Right, 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:12.679 So I need people who are dealing with today in 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:18.360 a measured way, in a practical way, that are based 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:24.680 in reality right now, because to me, that means balance. 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:29.040 There's you know, Obviously, being stuck in the past is 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:31.440 not going to help it. We need an eye on 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:33.040 the past, we need an in the future, we need 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:35.320 it on the present. My tendency is to be optimistic 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:37.640 without the future, So I want to say that. Another 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:40.400 thing I want to say is when we were talking earlier, 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:46.320 that very much reminded me of a quote I believe 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.440 to be true. You can you can verify because again 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:56.000 you're more sports dude over there. But there's a quote. 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:58.840 Jay Z said it on a song later, but I 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:03.680 heard it but long before then. O J. Simpson once 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:08.440 upon a time said I'm not black, I'm oj This 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:12.680 is when he was still the Jews doing sports stuff, 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:17.600 you know what I mean. And the irony of that 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:20.840 is that later in life he was real black, you 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.440 know what I mean, everybody was. He had to like 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.480 kind of lean on it, you know, with the Johnny 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:29.360 cochranes and the borrowing money from Michael Jackson. You know, 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:32.280 like you had to go back up that black street, 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.720 you know what I mean. So conveniently, of course, I 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.800 think that, yeah, exactly, but I think that there's there's 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:46.400 obviously something to be said there. One of the things 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:52.840 that ah, I will do you know we talked about 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.000 this in the first half of the episode the episode. 0:15:56.280 --> 0:16:01.400 When I see an incident, it's an incident. It can 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:03.760 be sad, it can be happy, it's an incident. But 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:06.480 when I see a pattern or whether there's data or 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.200 there's you know, things that you know, we're dealing with 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:17.760 stuff that is national, generational in its scope. When it's 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:20.760 those things that we need to call attention to, when 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:23.920 I see them laid out that way, or I'm able 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:26.080 to put them together in that way, it's a lot 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:29.200 easier to kind of nail that stuff to the wall 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:31.640 and address it and say, look, there's a problem you 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:36.600 may not know about. For this, you and I both 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:40.800 have talked about how you know, this is not an 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:43.520 American thing I'm going to discuss here. But one thing 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:46.560 that's still very hurtful. You know, when they play soccer 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:53.240 or football around the world, how sometimes when the melanated 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:57.000 players do well or get the ball and kick it 0:16:57.040 --> 0:17:00.000 around or whatever they're doing, that people will throw ba 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:06.240 as banana peals onto the soccer field as if to 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:11.440 say that black people are lower life forms or monkeys 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:21.679 or apes or whatever. And so there's that. Then we 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:27.040 have a very rich history of you mentioned some of 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:34.280 the names, Muhammad Ali being one that I love. Muhammad Ali. 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:38.200 I'm not into boxing. I'm not a violent person and 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.840 it's not into that sort of stuff. But you got 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.639 my respect when they said, you can't put my Hollywood 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:46.359 star on the ground, you have to put it on 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:50.560 the wall because I bear the name of our prophet Muhammad, 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:54.440 and people cannot trample on that name. And they listen 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:55.879 to him and they put it on the wall. You 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.080 got my respect for that, you know. So I like 0:17:58.160 --> 0:17:59.800 kind of got into him and did a little homework, 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:01.880 and that guy stood for some stuff and he went 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:05.280 through some stuff, right. And then there's other people, obviously, 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:07.800 you know Colin Kaepernick being the more recent one, people 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:17.680 that have kind of used their proficiency and their position 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:22.920 within the world of athletics and sports. I think that's 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:26.879 the right word, you know, not you know in the Olympics, 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:29.840 you remember, you know, the Blackfist and the Olympics in 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:34.800 the forties, and you know, there's a lot more instances 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:40.679 of racist behavior and people reacting to racist behavior. So 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:45.520 Lebron James with this most recent reaction is obviously something 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:51.040 that we definitely wanted to highlight. But the thing is, again, 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:53.200 if this was the only story that would be that, 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:55.800 we probably wouldn't be talking about it. I want to 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:59.639 share another story briefly. This one's a little older, but 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:02.200 I think it helps paint this picture a little bit better. 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:08.520 This one's from two thousand and eight. Just a line. 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:12.200 This comes from bleacher report dot Com says last year 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:18.360 during the Golden State Series, fans apparently shouted racist comments 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:26.439 at African American players on the Warriors talking about the 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:28.960 difference between playing at home compared to on the road 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:33.560 during the series against the Jazz Warriors. For it, Warriors 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:37.880 forward Steven Jackson said, and here's this quote, Well, we're 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:41.439 not hearing racial slurs. We're not hearing people wish for 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:43.639 me to go to jail. That's the difference from me. 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:46.520 I'm loved here in Oakland, right, So I think that 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:49.520 kind of speaks to your point. Now, if it was 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:51.560 just those two stories, one from two thousand and eight, 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:56.600 one from last week, that'd be that. But the thing is, 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.680 I saw a pattern with Utah, and as you mentioned, 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:03.160 so you know, maybe there's a little bit of cultural 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.520 difference there, but it's certainly something that we need to 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:08.359 talk about because this is, at least to me, the 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:12.240 one space where you would wouldn't expect to see that 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:14.800 sort of thing. You know, these people come together to 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:17.399 put on a performance, and your team either wins or 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:20.120 your team loses. But you're going there for the show, right, 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:22.560 you cheer for your team, I'm sure, whatever, But you 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:25.280 recognize that these are all top athletes and some have 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:27.120 good days and some have bad days. This is my assumption, 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:33.119 you know, and for you to respect these athletes and 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.960 want to go see a good game. And everyone loves 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:38.120 a post game, but no one loves to lose. Right. 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:40.080 You can't have it both ways, right, at least not 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:43.840 for a long time. All of a sudden, you go 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:48.560 to racism. It's a real thing. I want to read 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:52.000 one more story here. This was from ESPN dot com 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:56.760 May twenty one, So this is last year. Ja Morant, 0:20:56.840 --> 0:21:01.720 I like that name. Jah my Man. Amrant's dad says 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:05.680 three banned Jazz fans made lude racist comments during game 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:10.720 two in Utah. Quote. I know heckling, Tia Morant said, 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:13.720 in a phone interview with ESPN Thursday night. Quote. We're 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:18.560 doing that whole game, but that's different than heckling. That's 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:21.200 straight up disrespectful. That was too far out of line. 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:24.280 You don't say nothing like that. Heckling, that's beyond heckling. 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:29.960 John Morant, in a tweet posted later, agreed with utah's 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:32.800 decision to ban fans, writing quote, my family should be 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:35.160 able to cheer for me and my teammates without getting 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:44.440 inappropriate stuff said to them. Right, So, if I'm able 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:51.840 to say something good, positive, my understanding is that the 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:59.679 NBA and the individual organizations do not tolerate that. This 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:03.160 was about the NBA's failures or you know, the players, 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:08.480 or you know whatever. This is about how Ramses. Basically, 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:12.280 if we're being honest, how Ramses managed to find racism, 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:15.160 like a whole pattern of it in a place where 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:17.720 I had never expected to see it. And I feel 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:19.560 comfortable talking about it because I have someone who knows 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:20.680 a little bit about sports. 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:26.960 Mexico City, October nineteen sixty eight, John Carlos and Tommy 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:31.919 Smith raised their fist and black leather gloves as a 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:35.920 black power salute as a moment of protest during the 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:37.200 Olympic Games that year. 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:47.960 I'm never shocked at the presence of racism, more so. 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:51.720 In the spaces where we're meant to entertain. I think 0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:58.280 we look at sports as competition forgetting that all of 0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:03.360 it is a TV show, sports, music, movies. We can 0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:08.480 reach the top of those fields of entertainment, right Remember 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:13.960 the court gesture, Remember sambo. Remember I mean, we've entertained 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:19.879 in all of these spaces since slavery shout out. We 0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:24.120 could entertain them even then during the show they would 0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:28.879 clap and applaud and celebrate. But you're still, you know, 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:33.200 still know your place. I won't even say every word 0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:34.439 that I wanted to put at the end of that 0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:37.160 sentence right now, because several popped into my head, but. 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:41.520 You know know your place? Yeah, you know, I paid 0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:46.840 your salary. I paid for this ticket. In some ways, 0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:54.240 I mean they called the team CEOs or sole proprietors owners. 0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:58.520 That might be the appropriate term, but it's so inappropriate. 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:07.160 I see the point. Well, Lebron James talked about it. 0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:11.040 We talked about it, and hopefully now if you are 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:15.440 at a game and you hear something, you will engage. 0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:19.000 And we need to stomp out that behavior wherever we 0:24:19.040 --> 0:24:20.800 see it, not just in our own lives, but wherever 0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:24.320 we see it. Moving on, it's time for the Way 0:24:24.320 --> 0:24:29.800 Black History Fact. This week we are discussing Jim Crow Laws. 0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:33.880 Funnily enough, I don't believe we've touched on Jim Crow 0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:35.679 Laws yet. I mean, we've touched on it, but we 0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:38.479 haven't done a full on way Black History fact. So 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:44.560 this comes from history dot Com. So I'll start. Jim 0:24:44.640 --> 0:24:48.000 Crow Laws where a collection of state and local statutes 0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:53.520 that legalized racial segregation, named after a black minstrel show character. 0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:56.280 The laws which existed for about one hundred years from 0:24:56.320 --> 0:25:00.440 the post Civil War era until nineteen sixty eight. It's 0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:05.000 almost the seventies. Man, We're meant to marginalize African Americans 0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:08.160 by denying them the right to vote, whole jobs, get 0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:12.000 an education, or other opportunities. Those who attempted to defy 0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:17.160 Jim Crow Laws often faced arrest, fines, jail sentences, violence, 0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:24.080 and death. We might get to it, but I just 0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:27.800 want to say, because while we're talking about voting and 0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:31.800 the disenfranchising of voting, this is why we've talked about 0:25:32.359 --> 0:25:39.640 at length on this show Redlining. We talked about voter 0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:42.800 suppression initiatives. Every time doctor Westernberg comes up here and 0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:45.680 talks on the show, she's always talking about voter suppression 0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:48.840 and how important our votes are, and how she came 0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:52.600 from a time, and you know she's related to people. 0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:57.119 You know, her mother and father and grandmother and grandfather 0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:01.440 could not vote because they couldn't pass tests that says 0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:04.399 how many bubbles are in a bar of soap. They 0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:08.120 were only given to black people, and white people get 0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:11.240 tests that say how much is OnePlus one? You know, 0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:11.919 this sort of thing. 0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:15.320 So she probably couldn't vote at times for reasons far 0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:18.160 less than that, just because she couldn't. Right, I don't 0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:21.639 think doctor Westenberg and my mom are too far apart 0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:24.720 in age. And when my mother became of voting age, 0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:27.280 it was still illegal for a black woman because. 0:26:27.080 --> 0:26:28.120 Yeah, you told me, I'm George. 0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:30.040 You said that on the should I remember saying that, Okay, 0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:36.520 there was no test, you just couldn't. I'll continue. Black 0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:40.000 codes the roots of Jim Crow laws began as early 0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:44.240 as eighteen sixty five, immediately following the ratification of the 0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:48.400 Thirteenth Amendment, which abolished labor in the United States. Black 0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:52.200 codes were strict local and state laws that detailed win 0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:55.600 where and how formally enslaved people could work, and for 0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:59.840 how much compensation. The codes appeared throughout the South as 0:26:59.880 --> 0:27:04.240