Speaker 1: And now move my mic back. You're like that.
Speaker 2: You can strikes with waters from headquarters behind him.
Speaker 1: And well, if you're just tuning in the civic c
Speaker 1: sacher around your host Rams' joh he is John, I
Speaker 1: am q ward, this is CIVI excither this indeed stick around.
Speaker 1: We still had a lot more to talk about, including
Speaker 1: racism and sports. It's not just in the parades these days.
Speaker 1: And we're also going to spend a little time talking
Speaker 1: about Jim Crow for our way Black History fact as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to talk about. I wish I
Speaker 1: had more time because there's more there, but just the
Speaker 1: way the show goes, yes, everything requires a little bit
Speaker 1: of nuance, but trying to give a little grace. But
Speaker 1: for now, let's discuss how to become a better ally BAA.
Speaker 1: So this one comes from the hill. Nine to eight
Speaker 1: eight is officially live, all right. So with last week's
Speaker 1: official launch of nine to eight eight, the number to
Speaker 1: contact the National Suicide Prevention Line, individual seeking help for
Speaker 1: suicide prevention or mental health crisis will quickly be connected
Speaker 1: to a trained crisis counselor who can provide support over
Speaker 1: the phone and dispatch a mobile response unit if necessary,
Speaker 1: to take that person to a place where they can
Speaker 1: get more help. Nine eight eight is the product of
Speaker 1: the National Suicide Hotline Designation Act of twenty twenty, a
Speaker 1: federal law aimed at creating and easy to remember, easy
Speaker 1: to access pathway to mental health care when people need
Speaker 1: it most. Essentially, it is designed to function as the
Speaker 1: equivalent to the nine to one one emergency number, but
Speaker 1: for mental health emergencies rather than medical ones. So the
Speaker 1: reason Maggie put this one in the script for us
Speaker 1: today is because there are a lot of instances that
Speaker 1: we talk about on show, and we've seen her heartbreak
Speaker 1: over and over again. Our hearts breakout all the time,
Speaker 1: almost every week, and a lot of those stories have
Speaker 1: to do with people being overwhelmed by the realities and
Speaker 1: they don't know how to process that, and mentally they
Speaker 1: just are at their wits end. And you never know
Speaker 1: how you're going to behave until you get there. And
Speaker 1: we see people having mental crisises, mental breakdowns, et cetera.
Speaker 1: And what happens is we call the police, and the
Speaker 1: police often lack the training, and sometimes those incidents turn
Speaker 1: fatal when they don't need to. So now there is
Speaker 1: a new number that you can call for a mental
Speaker 1: health episode rather than calling nine to one one. Again,
Speaker 1: that number is nine to eighty eight and it is
Speaker 1: here to stay nationally. Moving on sports, all right.
Speaker 3: How you want to do this one? You you want
Speaker 3: to take this one? You tell us what happened. I'll
Speaker 3: give my take. We'll do it like we always do.
Speaker 3: All right, let's do it, all right? So this one
Speaker 3: comes from Sports Illustrated dot com. It's about Lebron James.
Speaker 3: It's about racist fans and sports. Or it's from Lebron James,
Speaker 3: from Lebron Jay.
Speaker 1: And if it was just an isolated incident, we wouldn't
Speaker 1: make a big deal out of it. But we have
Speaker 1: several documented examples, and of course once we start to
Speaker 1: read them several thousand, this will make sense. This will
Speaker 1: be real in your world too. You'd be like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of know what they're talking about. All right, Okay,
Speaker 1: this comes from Lebron James. This quote that I'm going
Speaker 1: to quote. Because they racist as f that's why they
Speaker 1: will say anything. And it's fine. I mean, if it's
Speaker 1: my wife, she's been dealing with them her whole life,
Speaker 1: I don't mind it. I hear it. I hear someone
Speaker 1: close by, I check them real quick. I move on
Speaker 1: to the game. Whatever the F or whatever the F
Speaker 1: they're going to say, whatever the F they want to say,
Speaker 1: they might throw something. I got a beer thrown on
Speaker 1: me leaving a game. So this is Lebron James talking
Speaker 1: about playing in Boston, Massachusetts. And when we were trying
Speaker 1: to figure out how to approach this topic for today's show,
Speaker 1: I talked to some other sports people. I've been to Boston.
Speaker 1: It was pretty cool, But I never been to a
Speaker 1: game in Boston, you know. And Maggie, you're from there,
Speaker 1: aren't you. Yeah? Yeah. So now it turns out this
Speaker 1: is this checks out. Unfortunately it does. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: I'll continue. Lebron then asserted that the Celtics sold apparel
Speaker 1: that was intentionally disparaging towards him. There was like a
Speaker 1: f LBJ T shirt. I believe they probably sold it
Speaker 1: at the efing team shop. They sold it at the
Speaker 1: team shop. I'm like the Celtics. The Celtics had something
Speaker 1: to do with that stuff. Safe to say, if Lebron
Speaker 1: does ever leave the Lakers, he's definitely not taking a
Speaker 1: free agent meeting with the Boston Celtics. Okay, before we
Speaker 1: move on to some of the other stories, hercue, make
Speaker 1: this live a little bit for us easy. There has
Speaker 1: been this long living narrative in this country. Unfortunately, the
Speaker 1: torch for this narrative is carried far too often by
Speaker 1: people who look like Ramses and I. Ramses has heard
Speaker 1: me get annoyed, frustrated and angry with one of our
Speaker 1: colleagues in media. And I will say his name, a
Speaker 1: gentleman by the name of Jason Whitlock, who believes that
Speaker 1: with success, black people grow out of racism. If you
Speaker 1: got to Benz and some money, what are you talking about? Racist? How?
Speaker 1: How is this a racist country for you? Right?
Speaker 3: In his mind it doesn't stop existing altogether, but for
Speaker 3: you it does, Ramses, you got a diamond watch on you, right,
Speaker 3: America can't be racist to you. You're on the radio
Speaker 3: in thirty cities and counting. What do you what other country,
Speaker 3: as our listener who wrote our letter, would allow you
Speaker 3: to do such a thing?
Speaker 1: Definitely not a racist one. There is something about the
Speaker 1: idea that you can achieve your way beyond the racist
Speaker 1: ideals of a racist, bigoted society, as if those beliefs
Speaker 1: are based on our lack of ability to achieve. They're
Speaker 1: not racist. People aren't racist towards us because we are underachievers.
Speaker 1: Our history of.
Speaker 3: Invention, our history of athletic achievement, our history of ingenuity,
Speaker 3: our history of overcoming, our history of thriving is very
Speaker 3: very well documented. There are movies and television shows, and
Speaker 3: they gave us Black History Month where they spend a
Speaker 3: lot of time reminding this country of the excellent things
Speaker 3: that we've done and continue to do, from movies to
Speaker 3: sports to entertainment. To people at the top of all
Speaker 3: of those lists, like us. That has nothing to do
Speaker 3: with it. And unfortunately, in these spaces when you're home,
Speaker 3: there are thousands of people cheering your names. Large portions
Speaker 3: of those people look nothing like you, so it's very
Speaker 3: very easy to forget where you are. It only takes
Speaker 3: for you to be a visitor in places like Salt
Speaker 3: Lake City, Utah, and we'll talk about that in Boston, Massachusetts,
Speaker 3: just to name a couple, for those people to not
Speaker 3: just remind you that you don't play for their home team,
Speaker 3: but that they are on a different team than you.
Speaker 3: All together, it has nothing to do with the color
Speaker 3: of the jersey on your back, but the melon and
Speaker 3: the skin that you walk around and live in every day,
Speaker 3: there is no level of achievement that you can reach
Speaker 3: that will make the racist look at you and say,
Speaker 3: oh my bad.
Speaker 1: I was tripping.
Speaker 3: He speaks so well, he runs so fast, his voice
Speaker 3: is so angelic. No, you can still be all of
Speaker 3: those things and still be looked at with the same eye.
Speaker 3: And there was a film I think Regina King directed.
Speaker 3: It's called One Night in Miami, based on a true story.
Speaker 3: The movie is not delivered as fact, but it pulls
Speaker 3: from actual events with the actual people in the movie
Speaker 3: some of the most famous black people in history, Muhammad Ali,
Speaker 3: Malcolm X, Sam Cook, and Jim Brown. And there's a
Speaker 3: scene in that movie that stands out to me. I
Speaker 3: think this is nineteen sixties United.
Speaker 1: States, right. You mentioned Jim Crow, which we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about later, but this is America, right. Jim Brown
Speaker 1: at the time might be the fourth most famous person
Speaker 1: on earth, not just black. And there is a scene
Speaker 1: where he goes back to Georgia, where he's from, and
Speaker 1: goes to visit a family that his family has ties to.
Speaker 1: He is greeted very very affectionately by the lady of
Speaker 1: the house. I think she's the daughter of the homeowner,
Speaker 1: and then the homeowner himself, who is thrilled to see Jim.
Speaker 1: She brings them some lemonade to drink outside. They sit,
Speaker 1: they talk, they catch up, and this man is just
Speaker 1: letting Jim know how very proud of him he is.
Speaker 1: And you can see a sense of self pride and
Speaker 1: self efficacy in Jim as he receives this admiration and
Speaker 1: adoration from his family friend who's so proud of all
Speaker 1: of his accomplishments. The daughter at one point needs help
Speaker 1: with something in the house, and it's something physical. She
Speaker 1: needs a man to help her. Jim, as naturally inclined,
Speaker 1: jumps up to help as well.
Speaker 3: But it's told by the homeowner, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3: In words are not allowed in our house. And he
Speaker 3: says it to him with no hesitation and a smile
Speaker 3: on his face, as if he's not even aware that
Speaker 3: he just said something offensive. It's just the way things
Speaker 3: were at the time. Some things change, some things remain
Speaker 3: the same. Jim Brown, one of the most accomplished and
Speaker 3: famous people in the history of our country, who also
Speaker 3: just so happens to be black, is reminded in an
Speaker 3: instant by somebody who presents himself as someone who cares
Speaker 3: about him. You can't come in my house, Jim, like,
Speaker 3: as if to say, what were you What were you thinking?
Speaker 1: Him? You can't come in my house. I know I
Speaker 1: said all those great things about you ten seconds ago,
Speaker 1: but you're still an in word. This is the country
Speaker 1: that we lived in then. Unfortunately, and though they be
Speaker 1: the minority, the powers that be in the country that
Speaker 1: we live in now are from that same school of thought.
Speaker 1: And because white supremacy and racism ultimately go unchecked. I mean,
Speaker 1: somebody can make you out to be a bad person,
Speaker 1: but there's no actual penalty for being a racist bigot
Speaker 1: except people in the public looking at you kind of funny,
Speaker 1: you know, some people and some people only in the
Speaker 1: public looking at you kind of funny. They might send
Speaker 1: you a message earlier like yeah, you told him, But
Speaker 1: nobody wants to appear to be racist in front of others. Right.
Speaker 1: Racist people get offended by being called racist while being racist. Right,
Speaker 1: They're offended by the idea, how dare you refer to
Speaker 1: me as that? But I'm going to continue to act
Speaker 1: in direct alignment with the definition of racism in front
Speaker 1: of everyone out loud on camera, right, So your hopefulness
Speaker 1: and I smile and kind of laugh at it as
Speaker 1: a bit of naivete, but it reminds me of a
Speaker 1: truth that it's easy to ignore because it doesn't live
Speaker 1: in front of us. I do believe more people in
Speaker 1: this country feel like you. I believe that that's true. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the people that feel the opposite still make our laws,
Speaker 1: still run our courts, and still govern our cities. And
Speaker 1: as long as that's true, I don't care how hopeful
Speaker 1: you guys are. Our reality remains the same. So I
Speaker 1: don't get to smile and cheer and be as bubbly
Speaker 1: about the ideals of the things that we think should
Speaker 1: be true, because the things that are true still suck.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for saying it so plainly. That's okay, let
Speaker 1: me jump in right here. One thing that I do
Speaker 1: want to say is that I can't change who I am,
Speaker 1: and I believe tomorrow is going to be better than today. Right,
Speaker 1: So I need people who are dealing with today in
Speaker 1: a measured way, in a practical way, that are based
Speaker 1: in reality right now, because to me, that means balance.
Speaker 1: There's you know, Obviously, being stuck in the past is
Speaker 1: not going to help it. We need an eye on
Speaker 1: the past, we need an in the future, we need
Speaker 1: it on the present. My tendency is to be optimistic
Speaker 1: without the future, So I want to say that. Another
Speaker 1: thing I want to say is when we were talking earlier,
Speaker 1: that very much reminded me of a quote I believe
Speaker 1: to be true. You can you can verify because again
Speaker 1: you're more sports dude over there. But there's a quote.
Speaker 1: Jay Z said it on a song later, but I
Speaker 1: heard it but long before then. O J. Simpson once
Speaker 1: upon a time said I'm not black, I'm oj This
Speaker 1: is when he was still the Jews doing sports stuff,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And the irony of that
Speaker 1: is that later in life he was real black, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, everybody was. He had to like
Speaker 1: kind of lean on it, you know, with the Johnny
Speaker 1: cochranes and the borrowing money from Michael Jackson. You know,
Speaker 1: like you had to go back up that black street,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So conveniently, of course, I
Speaker 1: think that, yeah, exactly, but I think that there's there's
Speaker 1: obviously something to be said there. One of the things
Speaker 1: that ah, I will do you know we talked about
Speaker 1: this in the first half of the episode the episode.
Speaker 1: When I see an incident, it's an incident. It can
Speaker 1: be sad, it can be happy, it's an incident. But
Speaker 1: when I see a pattern or whether there's data or
Speaker 1: there's you know, things that you know, we're dealing with
Speaker 1: stuff that is national, generational in its scope. When it's
Speaker 1: those things that we need to call attention to, when
Speaker 1: I see them laid out that way, or I'm able
Speaker 1: to put them together in that way, it's a lot
Speaker 1: easier to kind of nail that stuff to the wall
Speaker 1: and address it and say, look, there's a problem you
Speaker 1: may not know about. For this, you and I both
Speaker 1: have talked about how you know, this is not an
Speaker 1: American thing I'm going to discuss here. But one thing
Speaker 1: that's still very hurtful. You know, when they play soccer
Speaker 1: or football around the world, how sometimes when the melanated
Speaker 1: players do well or get the ball and kick it
Speaker 1: around or whatever they're doing, that people will throw ba
Speaker 1: as banana peals onto the soccer field as if to
Speaker 1: say that black people are lower life forms or monkeys
Speaker 1: or apes or whatever. And so there's that. Then we
Speaker 1: have a very rich history of you mentioned some of
Speaker 1: the names, Muhammad Ali being one that I love. Muhammad Ali.
Speaker 1: I'm not into boxing. I'm not a violent person and
Speaker 1: it's not into that sort of stuff. But you got
Speaker 1: my respect when they said, you can't put my Hollywood
Speaker 1: star on the ground, you have to put it on
Speaker 1: the wall because I bear the name of our prophet Muhammad,
Speaker 1: and people cannot trample on that name. And they listen
Speaker 1: to him and they put it on the wall. You
Speaker 1: got my respect for that, you know. So I like
Speaker 1: kind of got into him and did a little homework,
Speaker 1: and that guy stood for some stuff and he went
Speaker 1: through some stuff, right. And then there's other people, obviously,
Speaker 1: you know Colin Kaepernick being the more recent one, people
Speaker 1: that have kind of used their proficiency and their position
Speaker 1: within the world of athletics and sports. I think that's
Speaker 1: the right word, you know, not you know in the Olympics,
Speaker 1: you remember, you know, the Blackfist and the Olympics in
Speaker 1: the forties, and you know, there's a lot more instances
Speaker 1: of racist behavior and people reacting to racist behavior. So
Speaker 1: Lebron James with this most recent reaction is obviously something
Speaker 1: that we definitely wanted to highlight. But the thing is, again,
Speaker 1: if this was the only story that would be that,
Speaker 1: we probably wouldn't be talking about it. I want to
Speaker 1: share another story briefly. This one's a little older, but
Speaker 1: I think it helps paint this picture a little bit better.
Speaker 1: This one's from two thousand and eight. Just a line.
Speaker 1: This comes from bleacher report dot Com says last year
Speaker 1: during the Golden State Series, fans apparently shouted racist comments
Speaker 1: at African American players on the Warriors talking about the
Speaker 1: difference between playing at home compared to on the road
Speaker 1: during the series against the Jazz Warriors. For it, Warriors
Speaker 1: forward Steven Jackson said, and here's this quote, Well, we're
Speaker 1: not hearing racial slurs. We're not hearing people wish for
Speaker 1: me to go to jail. That's the difference from me.
Speaker 1: I'm loved here in Oakland, right, So I think that
Speaker 1: kind of speaks to your point. Now, if it was
Speaker 1: just those two stories, one from two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: one from last week, that'd be that. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: I saw a pattern with Utah, and as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: so you know, maybe there's a little bit of cultural
Speaker 1: difference there, but it's certainly something that we need to
Speaker 1: talk about because this is, at least to me, the
Speaker 1: one space where you would wouldn't expect to see that
Speaker 1: sort of thing. You know, these people come together to
Speaker 1: put on a performance, and your team either wins or
Speaker 1: your team loses. But you're going there for the show, right,
Speaker 1: you cheer for your team, I'm sure, whatever, But you
Speaker 1: recognize that these are all top athletes and some have
Speaker 1: good days and some have bad days. This is my assumption,
Speaker 1: you know, and for you to respect these athletes and
Speaker 1: want to go see a good game. And everyone loves
Speaker 1: a post game, but no one loves to lose. Right.
Speaker 1: You can't have it both ways, right, at least not
Speaker 1: for a long time. All of a sudden, you go
Speaker 1: to racism. It's a real thing. I want to read
Speaker 1: one more story here. This was from ESPN dot com
Speaker 1: May twenty one, So this is last year. Ja Morant,
Speaker 1: I like that name. Jah my Man. Amrant's dad says
Speaker 1: three banned Jazz fans made lude racist comments during game
Speaker 1: two in Utah. Quote. I know heckling, Tia Morant said,
Speaker 1: in a phone interview with ESPN Thursday night. Quote. We're
Speaker 1: doing that whole game, but that's different than heckling. That's
Speaker 1: straight up disrespectful. That was too far out of line.
Speaker 1: You don't say nothing like that. Heckling, that's beyond heckling.
Speaker 1: John Morant, in a tweet posted later, agreed with utah's
Speaker 1: decision to ban fans, writing quote, my family should be
Speaker 1: able to cheer for me and my teammates without getting
Speaker 1: inappropriate stuff said to them. Right, So, if I'm able
Speaker 1: to say something good, positive, my understanding is that the
Speaker 1: NBA and the individual organizations do not tolerate that. This
Speaker 1: was about the NBA's failures or you know, the players,
Speaker 1: or you know whatever. This is about how Ramses. Basically,
Speaker 1: if we're being honest, how Ramses managed to find racism,
Speaker 1: like a whole pattern of it in a place where
Speaker 1: I had never expected to see it. And I feel
Speaker 1: comfortable talking about it because I have someone who knows
Speaker 1: a little bit about sports.
Speaker 3: Mexico City, October nineteen sixty eight, John Carlos and Tommy
Speaker 3: Smith raised their fist and black leather gloves as a
Speaker 3: black power salute as a moment of protest during the
Speaker 3: Olympic Games that year.
Speaker 1: I'm never shocked at the presence of racism, more so.
Speaker 3: In the spaces where we're meant to entertain. I think
Speaker 3: we look at sports as competition forgetting that all of
Speaker 3: it is a TV show, sports, music, movies. We can
Speaker 3: reach the top of those fields of entertainment, right Remember
Speaker 3: the court gesture, Remember sambo. Remember I mean, we've entertained
Speaker 3: in all of these spaces since slavery shout out. We
Speaker 3: could entertain them even then during the show they would
Speaker 3: clap and applaud and celebrate. But you're still, you know,
Speaker 3: still know your place. I won't even say every word
Speaker 3: that I wanted to put at the end of that
Speaker 3: sentence right now, because several popped into my head, but.
Speaker 1: You know know your place? Yeah, you know, I paid
Speaker 1: your salary. I paid for this ticket. In some ways,
Speaker 1: I mean they called the team CEOs or sole proprietors owners.
Speaker 1: That might be the appropriate term, but it's so inappropriate.
Speaker 1: I see the point. Well, Lebron James talked about it.
Speaker 1: We talked about it, and hopefully now if you are
Speaker 1: at a game and you hear something, you will engage.
Speaker 1: And we need to stomp out that behavior wherever we
Speaker 1: see it, not just in our own lives, but wherever
Speaker 1: we see it. Moving on, it's time for the Way
Speaker 1: Black History Fact. This week we are discussing Jim Crow Laws.
Speaker 1: Funnily enough, I don't believe we've touched on Jim Crow
Speaker 1: Laws yet. I mean, we've touched on it, but we
Speaker 1: haven't done a full on way Black History fact. So
Speaker 1: this comes from history dot Com. So I'll start. Jim
Speaker 1: Crow Laws where a collection of state and local statutes
Speaker 1: that legalized racial segregation, named after a black minstrel show character.
Speaker 1: The laws which existed for about one hundred years from
Speaker 1: the post Civil War era until nineteen sixty eight. It's
Speaker 1: almost the seventies. Man, We're meant to marginalize African Americans
Speaker 1: by denying them the right to vote, whole jobs, get
Speaker 1: an education, or other opportunities. Those who attempted to defy
Speaker 1: Jim Crow Laws often faced arrest, fines, jail sentences, violence,
Speaker 1: and death. We might get to it, but I just
Speaker 1: want to say, because while we're talking about voting and
Speaker 1: the disenfranchising of voting, this is why we've talked about
Speaker 1: at length on this show Redlining. We talked about voter
Speaker 1: suppression initiatives. Every time doctor Westernberg comes up here and
Speaker 1: talks on the show, she's always talking about voter suppression
Speaker 1: and how important our votes are, and how she came
Speaker 1: from a time, and you know she's related to people.
Speaker 1: You know, her mother and father and grandmother and grandfather
Speaker 1: could not vote because they couldn't pass tests that says
Speaker 1: how many bubbles are in a bar of soap. They
Speaker 1: were only given to black people, and white people get
Speaker 1: tests that say how much is OnePlus one? You know,
Speaker 1: this sort of thing.
Speaker 3: So she probably couldn't vote at times for reasons far
Speaker 3: less than that, just because she couldn't. Right, I don't
Speaker 3: think doctor Westenberg and my mom are too far apart
Speaker 3: in age. And when my mother became of voting age,
Speaker 3: it was still illegal for a black woman because.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you told me, I'm George.
Speaker 4: You said that on the should I remember saying that, Okay,
Speaker 4: there was no test, you just couldn't. I'll continue. Black
Speaker 4: codes the roots of Jim Crow laws began as early
Speaker 4: as eighteen sixty five, immediately following the ratification of the
Speaker 4: Thirteenth Amendment, which abolished labor in the United States. Black
Speaker 4: codes were strict local and state laws that detailed win
Speaker 4: where and how formally enslaved people could work, and for
Speaker 4: how much compensation. The codes appeared throughout the South as
Speaker 4: a legal way to put black citizens into indentured servitude,
Speaker 4: to take voting rights away, to control where they lived
Speaker 4: and how they traveled, and to seize children for labor purposes.
Speaker 4: The legal system was stacked against black citizens, with former
Speaker 4: Confederate soldiers working as police and judges, making it difficult
Speaker 4: for African Americans to win court cases and ensuring they
Speaker 4: were subject to Black codes. These codes worked in conjunction
Speaker 4: with labor camps for the incarcerated, where prisoners were treated
Speaker 4: as enslaved people. Black offenders typically received longer sentences than
Speaker 4: the white equals, and because of the grueling work, often
Speaker 4: did not live out their entire sentence. It's very unsettling,
Speaker 4: all right.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the Ku Klux Klan. So
Speaker 1: during the Reconstruction Era, local governments as well as the
Speaker 1: National Democratic Party and President Andrew Johnson boarded efforts to
Speaker 1: help Black Americans move forward. The Reconstruction Era, for those
Speaker 1: that don't know, is the era in this country that
Speaker 1: immediately followed the Civil War. Because the country was in
Speaker 1: bad shape, because we were fighting ourselves and it was
Speaker 1: expensive and everybody died. Violence was on the rise, making
Speaker 1: danger a regular aspect of African American life. Black schools
Speaker 1: were vandalized and destroyed, and bands of violent white people attacked, tortured,
Speaker 1: and lynched Black citizens. In the night, families were attacked
Speaker 1: and forced off their land all across the South. The
Speaker 1: most ruthless, sorry, the most ruthless organization of the Jimcrow era,
Speaker 1: the ku Klux Klan, was born in eighteen sixty five
Speaker 1: in Pulaski, Tennessee, as a private club for Confederate veterans.
Speaker 1: The KKK grew into a secret society, terrorizing Black communities
Speaker 1: and seeping through white Southern culture, with members at the
Speaker 1: highest levels of government and the lowest echelons of criminal
Speaker 1: back alleys all right. At the start of the eighteen eighties,
Speaker 1: big cities in the South were not wholly beholden to
Speaker 1: Jim Crow laws, and Black Americans found more freedom in them.
Speaker 1: This led to substantial black populations moving to the cities,
Speaker 1: and as the decade progressed, white city dwellers demanded more
Speaker 1: laws to limit opportunities for African Americans. Jim Crow laws
Speaker 1: soon spread around the country with even more force than
Speaker 1: previous Previously, public parks were forbidden for African Americans to enter,
Speaker 1: and theaters and restaurants were segregated. Segregated waiting rooms in
Speaker 1: bus and train stations were required, as well as waiter as,
Speaker 1: water fountains, restrooms, building entrances, elevators, Cemetra, Terry's, even amusement park,
Speaker 1: cashier windows. Another thing doctor Westernberg mentioned on the show
Speaker 1: that I felt was super strange is that she was
Speaker 1: not able to try on shoes when they went to
Speaker 1: the store because she was black. And as a result
Speaker 1: of that, her feet were because of the melon, you know,
Speaker 1: and they just would not let black people try on shoes.
Speaker 1: They could not go into restrooms, so they had to
Speaker 1: carry a portable bathroom as they traveled. Is that crazy.
Speaker 1: That's a real person that we both know. No, it's
Speaker 1: not crazy. I'll live here.
Speaker 3: It's not crazy at all.
Speaker 1: Right, I'll finish up. Laws forbade African Americans from living
Speaker 1: in white neighborhoods. Segregation was enforced for public pools, of course,
Speaker 1: bone booths, hospitals, asylums, jails, and residential homes for the
Speaker 1: elderly and handicapped. Some states required separate textbooks for black
Speaker 1: and white students. New Orleans mandated the segregation of prostitutes
Speaker 1: according to race. In Atlanta, African Americans in court were
Speaker 1: given a different Bible from white people to swear on.
Speaker 1: Marriage and cohabitation between white and black people was strictly forbidden.
Speaker 1: In most Southern states, not uncommon to see signs posted
Speaker 1: at town and city limits warning African Americans that they
Speaker 1: were not welcome there. And if you would like to
Speaker 1: read more on Jim Crow laws and exactly what that
Speaker 1: was like and how those very much shape the laws
Speaker 1: that we have in place. Now it's all there History
Speaker 1: dot com. That's not ramss dot com.
Speaker 3: By the way, go ahead, let me reiterate that she
Speaker 3: had to experience that, of course is crazy.
Speaker 1: Learning about it isn't at all. This is America, gotcha.
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, some of this stuff is mind blowing
Speaker 1: because as much as I think I know about it,
Speaker 1: I always find something new, you know, because we all
Speaker 1: hear about the water fountains, but you never hear about
Speaker 1: hospitals and you know, like the hotels. Yeah, the Dr
Speaker 1: Westerburg things she talked about, the shoes, trying on shoes.
Speaker 1: It's such an odd thing to think of, but in
Speaker 1: any event, that's gonna do it for us here today
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