1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: Podcast Playground, Taking a Walk, Blast Night. Hi, this is 2 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: Buzz Night, the host of the Taking a Walk podcast series. 3 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: The special New York City Greenwich Village series, a very 4 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: special episode with an iconic photographer of our time. He's 5 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: captured everything, He's seen everything. He was part of the scene. 6 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: He didn't just capture the scene. He was part of 7 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 1: the scene. Bob Grewin. It's so nice to meet you. 8 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: I'm glad to be here. Thank you. It's a little loud. Yeah, 9 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: here the coy good here, Okay, I'll be there. Okay, Well, Bob, 10 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: it's so nice to meet you and thank you for 11 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: being part of the Taking a Walk series here in 12 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: New York City. How have you been the last couple 13 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: of years. It's been a little wacky. Well, I'm a 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: little wacky like most people. It's been a time of 15 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: anxiety and uncertainty. But my life has been uncertain, so 16 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: I'm used to that part. Well, you would you started 17 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: as a photographer, really capturing everything in your in your 18 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: your family photography, right, I mean that's where it all became. Well, 19 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: I learned my mother, who was her hobby, and my 20 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: mom told me how to develop and print my own pictures, 21 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: and I just took a liking to it, and I 22 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: started taking a picture of my family, which actually was 23 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: good practice for working with rock and roll band since 24 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: they're all like dysfunctional families and you got to try 25 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: and get all the five or six people looking good 26 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: for one sixtieth of a second. So I kind of 27 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 1: learned that with my family. And then after high school 28 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: I lived with a rock and roll band. The idea 29 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: was to turn on, tune in, and drop out, and 30 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: so I dropped out and lived with a band. But 31 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: I didn't know I was actually falling into the rest 32 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: of my future. You really never held a formal job, 33 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: not really. No, I've had a but when I was young, 34 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: but it didn't last long. So you knew you were 35 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: hooked right away. Yeah, I was. I wasn't really set 36 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: up for the ninth to five kind of job because 37 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: I couldn't make the nine o'clock part. I was much 38 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: more of a night person. So I know Tina Turner, 39 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: When you first saw Tina Turner, iking Tina Turner, that 40 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: was a transformative experience. Can you talk about that experience? Well, 41 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: a friend of us said, we you know, she'd go 42 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: see Tina Turner ikon Tina Turner because they were a 43 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: great man a great show, and so we went with her, 44 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: and I was absolutely blown away when I saw Tina 45 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: for the first time. It was she was the most 46 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: amazing act I'd ever seen still is actually and and 47 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: so we came back a couple days later and I 48 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: brought my camera to take some pictures and at the 49 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: end of her show, a strobe light flashes and she 50 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: dances off, you know, with a multiple images flashing from 51 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: your eyes, and I set the camera for one second, 52 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: I took one picture. I had no idea if it 53 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: would come out with all the different flashes, but it 54 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: came out really well. And then we went to see 55 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: Igontina a few days later in New Jersey and I 56 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: brought the pictures with me to show my friends, and 57 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: on the way out of the theater, one of my 58 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: friends so I turned her going from one theater to another, 59 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: and she literally pushed me in front of Ike and said, 60 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: show I liked the pictures, and he stopped and he 61 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: looked at him and he said, these are really good pictures. 62 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: I got to show his Datina, and he took me 63 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: in the dressing room and Tina liked the pictures, and 64 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: pretty sooner I started working with him, and that was 65 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: the beginning of my career. One thing led to another. 66 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: So the clubs were just so amazing. You were hopping 67 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: from one to another all through the all through the 68 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: night of my life, all through your life. So let's 69 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: talk about the clubs first of all. Well, back then, 70 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: at first, I think I started going to it Kenny's 71 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: Pat Kenny's club, which is called Kenny's up on eighty 72 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: fourth Street. And see, what's so cool about taking a walk, Bob, 73 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: I'm starting to rut. Is we let the dogs bark, 74 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: but we do watch in case we got to step 75 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: in something. Yeah, well, people tend to clean up after 76 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: themselves nowadays, not like it used to be. I can 77 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: tell you that it's okay. But anyway, I go up 78 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: to Kenny's Castaways a lot. Sure. Patrick Kenny ran that, 79 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: and it was a really eclectic club. He had everybody 80 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: from who was it, Willie Dixon to New York Dougs, 81 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: to Yokohono to Chasey and Elson to Larry Coriel gol 82 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: in a little Irish bar. So it was a lot 83 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: of fun to go there. And then I found out 84 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: about Max Kansas City, and then Cebgv's opened round nineteen 85 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: seventy five and I started going there a lot, and 86 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: it was just one thing after I mean, there's still 87 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: a lot of clubs now, there's like more clubs than ever, 88 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: but they're all out in Brooklyn. And since I'm not 89 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: in that young crowd of twenty year olds who tends 90 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: to go out to clubs anymore, I don't really go 91 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: out there. So go back to Maxis for a second. 92 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: The back room at Max's was kind of legendary for 93 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: all the sort of like the media folks to hang 94 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 1: out and everything. Right, Uh, well, I don't know media 95 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: folks so much. It was a bunch of artists first 96 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: in the late sixties when Mickey Ruskin was running. It 97 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: was any Warhol and lickd you know, Roy Lichtenstein and 98 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: those kind of brothers. That's where Johnny Yoko lived, by 99 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: the way, right here on Bank Street, Wow, one oh 100 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: five Bank Street. When I'm when I first met John Joko, 101 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: they lived. Look at that, Wow, it's an easy commute 102 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: half a block in my house. That's awesome. Thank you 103 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: for sharing. But uh, and that door went right into 104 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: their apartment. So after about a year when everybody knew 105 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: that John Yoka were living here. They had to move 106 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: out because it got a little too popular, I would say, right. 107 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: But anyway, back to the clubs, it was a lot 108 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 1: of fun back then. There wasn't any any real kind 109 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: of corporate interest. You know that a lot of bands 110 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: were playing for fun. They were playing to get a 111 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: drink and meet a girl. You weren't really expecting to 112 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: make your career coming from a dumpy little club, you know, 113 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: But it turned out that that worked out okay. A 114 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: lot of people started in some really good careers. And 115 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: at Max's, I remember seeing Patty Smith do poetry there. 116 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: What's your first memory of seeing Patty Patty? I saw 117 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,799 Speaker 1: her at Max's and it was kind of a cross. 118 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: She was like reciting poems with a music background. The 119 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: first time I saw Lenny Kay and Lady Sold were 120 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: already playing with her, so very much like rock and 121 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: roll but would beat. So when you were going out 122 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: to the clubs, you were driving some pretty bad ass 123 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: cars in those days, weren't you. Well, I always like 124 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: to have nice cars. Actually, back in the early days, 125 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: I don't know I had kind of I had Volkswagens 126 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: for a while in the early seventies, and then actually 127 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: the best car was in nineteen when it was in 128 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: seventy six, my brother found me a car for three 129 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: hundred dollars. Somebody was trying to get rid of it. 130 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: It was a twenty five year old car. It was 131 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty four Buick with only twenty five thousand 132 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: miles on it. It was amazing, perfect condition, old classic 133 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: rock and roll fifties car. And then I drove that 134 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: for about five years until I crashed it. But I 135 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: know some of the artists that you were hanging around with, 136 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: if they would pull up, you know, they were quitet 137 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: a cage or something, and they saw that Bob was 138 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: in the house. They felt really comfortable because they saw 139 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: your car. Yeah, Debbie. Debbie Harry mentioned that which was 140 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: giving me an award one time, and she said that 141 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: she came int p seebees and she saw my car. 142 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: She knew it was an okay night. She hadn't made 143 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: a mistake and come on her long night. You were 144 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: a reassuring figure that if I was there, then something 145 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: good was gonna be happening. I thought that was really nice. 146 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Yeah. So do you remember the first time 147 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: meeting John? Uh, the first time I met you on that? Well, 148 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: actually the first time I saw it on Yoko was 149 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: at the Apollo Theater. We'd all read that they came 150 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,719 Speaker 1: to New York. They were seen riding bicycles around the village. 151 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: I mean, everybody wanted to meet you on an Yoko, 152 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: But you don't really go to the door and then 153 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: hang out, you know, at at least I don't. But 154 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: then I was. I went to the Apollo Theater for 155 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: a benefit concert to benefit the prisoners families the prisoners 156 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: who rioted at the Attica Prison and uh much too. 157 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: It was John Yoko over there, and I took a 158 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: couple of pictures when they were on stage, and then 159 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: they were waiting for their car backstage, and a bunch 160 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: of people were taking pictures snapshots, you know, like selfies 161 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: would call them now. And John at one point said, 162 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: people were always taking our picture and we never see it. 163 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: What happens with these pictures? And I said, well, I 164 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: live around the corner from me. I'll show you my pictures. 165 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: And he said you live around the corner. I said yeah, 166 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: He said, well slip them under the door then, and 167 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: I thought that was very neighborly, you know, And that 168 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: was our first conversation, if you call out a conversation. 169 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: But I went by the house and I didn't quite 170 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: slip them under the door. I rang the bell. Much 171 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: to my surprise, Jerry Ruben answered the door. I didn't 172 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: know he did that sort of thing, but he asked 173 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: if I was if they were expecting me, and I 174 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: said no, and I just left the pictures and later 175 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: on we did get to me friends. Yoko mentioned that 176 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: they were very aware of that, like who was that, 177 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: who didn't want to meet us? Who just dropped something off, 178 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: you know? And I think they liked the picture. So 179 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: it was a few months later when I was I 180 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: was including the first book of rock and roll photography 181 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: called The Photography of Rock and yeah, we can cross over. 182 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: It's probably quieter up. So anyway, I got an assignment 183 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 1: to take pictures of them, and I went to the 184 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: hotel to take pictures, and I remember the reporter saying 185 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: they weren't ready for you know, they weren't expecting me, 186 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: but they would feel better And anyway, eventually let me 187 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: come up to take pictures. And as I was walking 188 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: down the hall. I remember feeling really nervous, like shaking. 189 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: I was going to meet you An Yoka. I couldn't 190 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: believe it, but I knew I couldn't take pictures shaking 191 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: like that. So I actually stopped in the hall. I 192 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: took a deep breath and I kind of said to 193 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: myself that everything would be all right, because it was 194 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: all right. It could be better, but it didn't have 195 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: to be and it would only work if I just 196 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: calmed down, relaxed and did what I did. When they 197 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: happened to like what I do, and so you became 198 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: their personal photographer over time, Yeah, I mean as they 199 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: got to know me better and I got to know 200 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: them better that I started working with them a lot 201 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: more and you build up a trust over time. So 202 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: that's what we did, and we got to know each 203 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: other better and better. And I'm still in touch with 204 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: Yaco today. Now it's fifty years later, and how was you. 205 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: I met them in the spring of nineteen seventy two, 206 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: so it's been a while. Ka's okay, she's doing well, 207 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: you know, like everybody, she's hiding out from the COVID 208 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: and the lockdown, but she's still artistically curious, always, always, 209 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: we opened an incredible inspiration. It's interesting because John said 210 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: in one of her books, Yoko said, or in an interview, 211 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: John said that she's the most famous unknown artist. Everybody 212 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: knows what Yoko is, and nobody knows what she does. 213 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: And that's kind of a fact because although she's museum 214 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: exhibits and art exhibits around the world all the time, 215 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: and more and more people are finding out what she does, 216 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 1: the majority of people find out more about her than 217 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: her art. Her art was always they made fun of 218 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: it because people didn't understand it. But if you actually 219 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 1: look at her art and start to learn about it, 220 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: her art is fascinating because it's very simple. On the 221 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: one hand, it's conceptual and there's a lot of her 222 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: art it's just a sentence, but it's a sentence that 223 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: makes you think and feel. And people don't like to feel, 224 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: and they get very angry when they have to get 225 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: in touch with their feelings. And instead of realizing that 226 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: yoga is really good at getting them in touch with 227 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: their feelings, they get really angry about having feelings in 228 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: the first place, so they take that out on yoga 229 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: and they say she's terrible. She made me feel all 230 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: these horrible thoughts, which is just not true. She's really 231 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: pretty amazing. She's always just talked about peace and communication 232 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: and bringing people together. He gets constantly attacked for that, 233 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: which is just you know, Wassad, Jesus and Gandhi and 234 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: anybody who speaks about peace. They always attacked those people. 235 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: What did you think of the documentary? In which one 236 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: it's a documentary Beatles documentary, The Beatles documentary. But that 237 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: was fun. I mean when I first started watching it, 238 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: it's like so tedious, and I've been I've spent time 239 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: hanging out in studios and musicians, and it's a really 240 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: slow drawing out process, one note at a time. How 241 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: do you like this? How do you like this? And 242 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: they have to play it for three minutes. No, no, 243 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 1: let's try it a different way. You play it for 244 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: another three minutes. No, let's try it another way, try 245 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: this beat, and it just goes on and on and on. 246 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: But every ten minutes. In the Beatles documentary, there was 247 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: a gem of a phrase, you know, and I mean 248 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: speaking to Yoko. It was really funny when Paul says, 249 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: can you imagine it fifty years from now? People were 250 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: saying that the Beatles broke up because Yoko sat on 251 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: a ramp, and that's what people have been saying for 252 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: fifty years. Just really so to see Paul actually saying that, 253 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: and the fact that they were aware of those kind 254 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: of wrong ideas, it was fascinating. And also especially since 255 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: it went on for you know, so long, was it 256 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: six hours or something, and it's just so tedious. Then 257 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: finally when they hit the roof, it was an explosion. 258 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a person who dances much, and 259 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: certainly I don't dance around my living room, but after 260 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: watching that and sitting here for hours and hours and hours, 261 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: all of a sudden it hit the roof. I was 262 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: literally jumped up and started dancing around my living room. Yeah, 263 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: it was that exciting. And I'm telling you that's not 264 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: something I've ever done before, but I found it really 265 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: exciting and just you know, a breath of fresh air 266 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: to hear the Beatles playing music live and having fun. 267 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: You know, it was great. The camaraderie, right, you know. 268 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: Well also, yeah, to see them to be such good friends, 269 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: you know, I do wish we could have seen them 270 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: talking George into coming back into the group, But there 271 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: was no cameras around for that, but to see the 272 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: different personalities and how they played out and how they interacted, 273 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: it was fascinating, you know. So it was cool that 274 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: they had the footage and it was cool that they 275 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: finally re edited to like a nice story out of it. Yeah. Well, 276 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: just like your friend Henry Dilkes who hung around as 277 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: friends with you know, various bands that he captured, all 278 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: of these folks were your friends and they were a 279 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: part of your posse, right, Well, yes, and no, I 280 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: mean some people became friends, not all the people. I mean, 281 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: so the people that photographed once. And you know, I 282 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: didn't become friends with James Brown. Oh, I liked him, 283 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: but he didn't you know. Get we didn't get too close. 284 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: But James Brown was James Brown, so he was very cool. 285 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: The first time I met him, actually, I was on 286 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: a SIGNI for Buddha Records, and they sent me to Washington, 287 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: d C. He was doing three days in the park somewhere, 288 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: and I was supposed to take some pictures of him backstage, 289 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: just get some portant it's not just the live pictures 290 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: on stage. And the first day he was too busy 291 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: and I took great pictures of the show. And it 292 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: was back in the days when he did the whole 293 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: show and the you know, the band would run off 294 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: stage and change suits and go from a pink suit 295 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: to a blue suit in thirty seconds back on stage, 296 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: still playing. At the end, he would like start to 297 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: leave the stage, you know. Five different times he would 298 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: fall to his knees and they would put a cape 299 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: on him and he'd jump up and throw the cape 300 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: off and come back to the microphone. Please please, please meet. 301 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: I mean, he was just amazing, amazing shows. But he 302 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: didn't see me. He wouldn't post for the pictures I 303 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: needed for the record company. So the second day, again 304 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: he was too busy before the show and I didn't 305 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: get any time with him. The third day they had. 306 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: I met him down in front of the hotel and 307 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: we're in the car going to the show, and I 308 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: had wanted to do the pictures in the afternoon when 309 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: it was daylight, and the show was starting in the evening. 310 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: Of course, so as we're driving, the sun is already 311 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: going down, it's kind of twilight, it's getting a little dark, 312 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: hoping I can get some pictures in him before against 313 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: the dark, and he tells me to get in a 314 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: limo in the front seat with him. So I'm between 315 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: him and the driver in the front seat of a limo, 316 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: and he decides to start telling me how to write 317 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: a song. And I'm not really a journalist or a writer, like, 318 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: I didn't really care, and I'm not taking notes or anything. 319 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: I'm there just to take pictures. And he's telling me 320 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: that if you get a bassline going and then you 321 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: change the baseline, you've changed the song. And every time 322 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: you get a new bassline to go with a new 323 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: drum line, you got a new song or something like that. 324 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not a musician, I don't I 325 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: wasn't taking notes, you know, but I just thought like, okay, 326 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: mister Brown, as soon as can we take some pictures, 327 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: you know. And we finally get to the theater and 328 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: get out of the car, and backstage he stands there poses, 329 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: and by that time it was so dim and he's 330 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: a very dark dark man, you know. The people have 331 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 1: all kinds of different skin tones, and his was very dark, 332 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: and in the dim light stage, I didn't really get 333 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: very good pictures. It was I got a good pictures 334 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: to him on stage during the live show, but the 335 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: portraits that he posed for he was really dark and 336 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: the light was really dim and it just didn't come 337 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: out well. The next time I saw him, I again 338 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: had an opportunity to do a photo session with him. 339 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: He was a little more cooperative that time. I got 340 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: some better pictures, but again it was so dark that 341 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: I didn't get the exposures right. He was still too dark. 342 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: The third time, we came out in front of the 343 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: hotel on Fifth Avenue A fifty ninth street. He was 344 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: posing for me in the broad daylight in sunlight. That 345 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: time I got some really good pictures that were but 346 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: you need a lot of light to take pictures of 347 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: James Brown to have him come out well anyway and 348 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: error right. He's a funny guy. Also, one time I 349 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: did a video for him. My friend Vicky Wickham and 350 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 1: Nona Hendricks, they were good friends with James Brown. Vicky 351 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 1: Wickham was the producer for Race Did He Go? In 352 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: England and she was the first one to bring James 353 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: Brown to England as well as a lot of the 354 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: other Black American acts. Vicky's amazing and she somebody had 355 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: passed away and Vicky was organizing a memorial and James 356 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: Marna had agreed to tape a thirty second tribute to 357 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: whoever it was that had passed away, and we were 358 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: meeting him at the Plaza Hotel. And we got there 359 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: and I remember Vicky was very efficient and talked to 360 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: the people, and we got a room to wait and 361 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: we had like a small ballroom where I set up 362 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: some lights in the video camera and we're waiting for 363 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: mister Brown, and we're waiting for mister Brown. And we're 364 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: still waiting for him. A couple hours later, and we're 365 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: still waiting for him, like the whole afternoon. We're just 366 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 1: sitting in his empty ballroom waiting for James Brown. And 367 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: he finally comes sailing into the room fully wide awake. 368 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,239 Speaker 1: I don't know what he was on, but he was 369 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,239 Speaker 1: wide awake and sat down on the chair we had 370 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: set up, looked right in the camera, delivered a perfect message, 371 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: got up and left. He wasn't in the room for 372 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: more than a minute, and we made a thirty forty 373 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: second video, but he just came in down boone, knocked 374 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: it out and left. It was perfect. I mean, he's 375 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: a real professional. I'd see him again anytime. Oh, I 376 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 1: love it. I love it. Now. Do you dream about 377 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: some of these folks you've captured? I don't dream about anything, actually, no, No, 378 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: it's I gave up dreaming a long time ago. I 379 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe I just daydream too much, but no, 380 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: I don't. Really. I probably do dream, but I really 381 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: rarely ever remember any kind of dream. But no, I 382 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 1: don't live in the past. I mean, had a lot 383 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 1: of good times. Sometimes I you know, remember a fun 384 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: moment or so like that. But I try to live 385 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: in the present and deal with all the things that 386 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: are going on to keep you alive nowadays. And you know, 387 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: I look to the future, I hope for things, but 388 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: I basically try to stay in the present. You know, 389 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: all the things I've done, I've done. I don't really 390 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: need to think about them when I'm thinking about what 391 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: I could do, what I will do. Well, you have 392 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: a very special heart for social causes you. I try 393 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: to be helpful. You always have. Maybe some you want 394 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: to talk about that are important. Well, there's a couple 395 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: of charities here in New York that I support. The 396 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: Food Bank, which not only helps people eat, but they 397 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: teach them how to cook. You know, some organizations it 398 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: is a really good organization. God's Love We Deliver, which 399 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: brings food to people who can't go and get it. 400 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: But the Food Bank actually brings food to cook and 401 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: teaches people how to cook and how to support themselves. 402 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: And if you can't eat, you can't even go and 403 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: start to look for a job, or to talk to anybody, 404 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: even to get help for welfare or anything. The basic 405 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: thing is you have to eat, you know, every day, 406 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: to have some energy to go and do the next thing. 407 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 1: So I think the Food Bank's a great organization to 408 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: help people survive. And another organization I like to support 409 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: is called her Justice, which is a large group over 410 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: a thousand lawyers who provide pro bono free legal service 411 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:59,239 Speaker 1: for domestic violent victims who need orders of protection and 412 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: orders divorce and just need help getting away from an 413 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: abusive partner and legally if legal help is extremely expensive 414 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: and a lot of the people who need help don't 415 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: have the beginnings. I don't even have money to get away, 416 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: much less hire a lawyer. So I think that Hurt 417 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: Justice is a great organization helping people in dire straits 418 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: get out of those streets and get back on their 419 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: feet and have a decent life. Those are the two 420 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: main organizations that support but also people like the Tibet 421 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: Fund and the rain Forest Foundation and lots of different orders. 422 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: Whatever I can, because nowadays my pictures can raise money 423 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: for people, and you know, whenever I heard of US 424 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: organization raising money to help people, I always wanted to contribute. 425 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: But rock and roll photography is a very low budget operation. 426 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: I don't really make the kind of money that advertising 427 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: photographers or fashion photographers might make, so I never really 428 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: had money to donate to organizations. But now that my 429 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: pictures can encourage other people to donate, I donate pictures 430 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: all the time and do what I can. Represented by 431 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: Morrison Hotel Gallery, Martina Hotel Gallery is the main gallery 432 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: I work with. I'm not exclusive with anybody, but they're 433 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: the main gallery and they do very well nationwide and 434 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: internationally on the internet. They're very good. So Bob and closing, 435 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: is there anything that you haven't captured that you'd like 436 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: to capture? Well, not so much. What I try and 437 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: capture actually is freedom, because for me, rock and roll 438 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: is about the freedom to express your feelings very loudly 439 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: in public, and that's what I try to put in 440 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: my pictures. I try to capture some feelings and not 441 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: just facts. Uh, And I've done that a lot. And 442 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: I like to show my pictures. I like people to 443 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: see them. I like to capture that moment when everybody's 444 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: screaming yay and nobody's thinking about paying the rent. And 445 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: I like people to see my pictures in that moment 446 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: and feel free and feel some kind of openness and 447 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: you know, to relax a little into life. But as 448 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: far as trying to take more pictures now, I don't 449 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: need to do it. I don't. I mean, it's funny. 450 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: Last Fall is the new band Manuskin called me up 451 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: out of the blue. I had never heard of them, 452 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,239 Speaker 1: but they had heard of me. Apparently they grew up 453 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 1: looking at my pictures and they wanted to meet me 454 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: and have a photo session. It was the first thing 455 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: they wanted to do when they came to New York. 456 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: I was thrilled. They're the biggest band of the world 457 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 1: right now. They are pretty amazing. I didn't know much. 458 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about them when they called me. 459 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: I went to see their show, and I thought the 460 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: show was very modern rock and roll, that they were 461 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: communicated with their audience, they talked to their audience, they 462 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: looked like they were having a good time, and when 463 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 1: a band looks like they're having a good time, the 464 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: audience will have a good time. And working with Manuskin 465 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: was fun. They're a very nice group of people, and 466 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: you know, they're young and interesting and very talented. So 467 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: that was fun. But I don't need to do that anymore. 468 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: And I've written my book, so have an autobiography that 469 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: just came out last year. That was very exciting to 470 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,959 Speaker 1: finally get that done after wanting to do that for 471 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,239 Speaker 1: many years. Recorded an audio book for my biography if 472 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: people want to go and listen to me tell the 473 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: story instead of just reading it themselves. So you know, 474 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: if you accomplished a lot. I don't know. There's not 475 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 1: a lot I want to do right now, except perhaps 476 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: place my archive in a good place so that people 477 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: can have access to it and my pictures last for 478 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 1: a long time and encourage and enlighten people, and having 479 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: a good time. I'm old enough to have grandchildren now. 480 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: That's actually what I really enjoy is seeing my grandchildren 481 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: have a good time, seeing my son be successful. That's 482 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: what's really interesting to me nowadays, I really don't need 483 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: to get on a bus with a bunch of the 484 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 1: twenty two year olds drinking beer. I did that with 485 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: the class with the sex Whistols or Premier Dolls, and 486 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun. But at this point 487 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: in my life, I don't need to do it again, 488 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: you know. I remember trying to tell John Lennard come 489 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: down to CBGB's. It's lots of fun. There's always bands 490 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: and people drinking and having a good time, and he said, 491 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: I did that in Hamburg. I don't need to go back. 492 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: And now I understand very much what he means. You know, 493 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: you get to a point in your life where you've 494 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: done it, you don't need to do it again. You 495 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: don't even need to keep doing it. At this point, 496 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to go back to Max's and hang 497 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: out with all of those people because it's you know, 498 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: we're all older. Things are different, Things change, you know, 499 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: and I don't mind things changing. I'm really glad to 500 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: be older. That's what happens, you know. I Keith Richard, 501 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: I'm glad to be here, but I'm glad to be anywhere. 502 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: You know, you were in the right place at the 503 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: right time. I wasn't. That's the name of my book, 504 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: Right Place, Right Time, because I mean that just made 505 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: things happen for me. But it's not just being in 506 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: the right place at the right time. You have to 507 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 1: then do the right thing and make that situation work 508 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: for you and for whoever you're with. And I always 509 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: found that if I could make it work for them, 510 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: then that would work for me. So I was found 511 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: that you can be in a situation better if you 512 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: contribute to the situation, if you're part of the scene, 513 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: not just visiting and observing a stering of people like 514 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: they're weird, But if you're part of the scene, then 515 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: you can you get a much more intimate view of it. 516 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing the West Village with me, all right, Yeah, 517 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: this is my little neighborhood here. It's nice about the 518 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: river here than up by the streets. But there is 519 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: this highway that goes by and makes a lot of noise. 520 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 1: It's beautiful. I'm so grateful for your generosity. It's kind 521 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: of they are happy to be alive. Actually, I'm happy 522 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: to be alive whether it's raining or snowing or whatever 523 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: you go. I like it all. Thank you for taking 524 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: a walk. All right. Taking a walk with Buzznight is 525 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.