1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs two, Ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, everyone, 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show, The Big Show. My name 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: is Matt and I'm Ben, and that's our super producer 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: Noel behind the behind the boards are the keys. Yeah, 7 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: we're just gonna point to him. He's right over there. 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: So if you have a very specific form of probably 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: non existence synesthesia, you can feel our fingers moving and 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: it probably you know, feels the way lavender smells or something. 11 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, it feels feels very very nice, 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: I'm assuming. So it's interesting that our segue or our 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: banter at the top of this episode concerns sensation, right, 14 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: because that is one of the abiding universal characteristics of life. 15 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: It's the ability to sense something right from your outside 16 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: environment and then in some way to respond to it. 17 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: But when we when we think about what life actually is. 18 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: Oh and spoiler alert, I've forgotten, Matt, what's name of 19 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: this this episode of this search for extra terrestrial life? 20 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: So life not on planet Earth? Yes? And also, uh, 21 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: you know, bonus points to us as a species if 22 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: we find someone intelligent until they wipe us out. So 23 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: anyway we're talking about we're talking about this search for 24 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: life somewhere out there in the darkness of space. And 25 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: one thing that we have to do before we even 26 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: address the idea of looking for life is define it, right, 27 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: what what exactly is this whole life stick? Well? Life, 28 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: life is the it's the thing or the condition that 29 00:01:55,400 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: separates uh, you know, plants from inorganic material and animals 30 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: from inorganic material. So kind of like what you said, Ben, 31 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: the the ability to sense the outside world to take 32 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: in stimuli, so that it also includes the the ability 33 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: to grow, the capacity for growth and reproduction. You have 34 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: to be able to make copies of yourself. Um. You 35 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: have to have some kind of functional activity um, either 36 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: whether that's movement or I don't know, it's really slow 37 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: rate of growth. Okay. And there's also one other thing, 38 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 1: the continual change until death. Although that's not necessarily true 39 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: because we've seen some of the animals we've talked about 40 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: and some of the immortality stuff like Nutricula totopsis. The 41 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: isn't that the jellyfish that yes and then turns into 42 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: a channel essentially just going through entropy yeah, okay, I see. 43 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: I thought, I like the way you say that last 44 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: part better going through entropy. And we know they're different 45 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: types of life. Um, well, there are different types of 46 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: hypothetical life. So we are carbon based life forms. You 47 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: listening to this right now, The overwhelming probability that you 48 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: are also a carbon based life form and less extraterrestrials 49 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: or artificially intelligent programs have reached a level of which 50 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: we were unaware or unless we're all just holograms inside 51 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: some huge matrix, right yeah, and inside the dream of 52 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: some gigantic turtle and in that sense, the carbon and 53 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: it's just bits of data, yeah, just the firing synaps 54 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: uh synapse. Rather, so we know that there are theoretical 55 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: forms of biology that could exist, other life forms. It's 56 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: possible that carbon might not be the only creature in 57 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: the game. Silicon based life forms ammonia, methane, hydrogen, fluoride, 58 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: and and so on. Right, And this concept of noncarbon 59 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: life does a very important thing theoretically. It opens the door, 60 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: widens the spectrum for zeno biologists and sci fi fans 61 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: and so on to look at a wider range of 62 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: possible homes for alien life, right exactly. Um, so now 63 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: you can look at you can look at a planet 64 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: that isn't that There isn't a lot of water on 65 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: the planet, there isn't a lot of carbon. But there 66 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: might be a bunch of silica, a bunch of ammonia. 67 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: There you go, And there might be bad methane lake 68 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: smith methane pools all over the planet. Hey, let's go 69 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: check those out. Yeah, And I think that's I think 70 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: that's a fascinating thing. I want to go back to 71 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: types of life towards the end of this for something 72 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: that's complete speculation. But one thing that we learned our 73 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: continual search for extraterrestrial life is that we still have 74 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: a lot to learn about terrestrial life. There's still a 75 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: lot we don't know, Like, for instance, what is the 76 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: most common life form? Well, can I guess? Yeah, I 77 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 1: guess Yeah. I would guess some type of bacteria bacterium. Yeah, 78 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: I would have too. And uh, the it's it's interesting 79 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: because there's a great article I think it was in 80 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: Smithsonian that tells us that a Okay, here we go. 81 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:27,239 Speaker 1: It's my first mispronunciation of the episode, uh plaga bactor ubiq, 82 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: which sounds sort of like some Eastern European shoe store. Um. 83 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: This single celled organism is usually cited as the most 84 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: common organism in the world. It's it's the Statistically, if 85 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: you were rolling the dice to become an organism, the 86 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: odds are that you would become this one. That's crazy 87 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: to think about. Yeah, but um, that might not be 88 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: the case, because it turns out there's something that eats 89 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: P unique okay, that is also widespread just all over 90 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: the place, numerous. It's a virus. Oh wow. Okay, So 91 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: here's the thing. This, this virus u P unique has 92 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: four different viruses that parasitize it or you know, prey 93 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: on it. And one of those, which has the incredibly 94 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: um unmemorable name of HTV c O one o p 95 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: is the most common of those viruses. And so if 96 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: we consider a virus to be a living thing, then 97 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: it turns out that our boy HTV is uh the 98 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: world's most common life form. But therein lies the debate, Right, 99 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: the virus alive? Is it? Well, it doesn't meet all 100 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: of the different criteria. Well, it definitely meets the reproduction sure, Um, 101 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: it has functional activity, I would I would argue, well, 102 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. Again, I don't know how that 103 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: is necessarily defined. But yeah, functional activities a little bit, 104 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, a little a little bit softball, right. 105 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: What about capacity for growth? M hmmm, Well it can change, 106 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: it can because reproduction and growth, if we differentiate those, 107 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: we'll have to talk to someone ben well. Because the 108 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: thing is that a virus for people who don't think 109 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: of virus counts as life. A virus has to use 110 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: the metabolic process of its host in order to grow 111 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: and reproduce. There you Okay, so it's you know, a 112 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: virus is inherently a parasite. Um. So this means that 113 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: they they may not actually be life, or they're somewhere 114 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: between life, you know, um their third category. Right, Yeah, 115 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: and there's some weird maybe be there's some weird spectrum 116 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: of life to not life. Uh. But okay, so we 117 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: know that our world is teaming with life. Yes, it's everywhere. 118 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: I was going to just start naming off animals for it. Yeah, 119 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: but there's just a ton of it, a ton of 120 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: it everywhere, doing everywhere, yes, on planes. But we're doing 121 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: a great job of kind of getting rid of it, 122 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: finding the herd of life right, humans are right. Yeah, 123 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: we're we're getting rid of a lot of the eye 124 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: or order animals. For sure. There are more tigers in 125 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: captivity I think in Texas than there are on the 126 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 1: wild or in the United States. Um, which may be 127 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: a podcast for different day. But if if there are 128 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 1: so many different types of life that we know of 129 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: and the most common life is still debatably life on 130 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: our planet, then um, the question is why haven't we 131 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: found any thing else? Well, it's a very simple answer. 132 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: The universe is huge. Yeah, well it's true. Yeah, I mean, 133 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: come on, the universe is all. If we're going to 134 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: talk about definitions, the universe is every single uh, just 135 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: all of the matter, all of the energy, all of 136 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: it that exists. That is the universe. That stuff. And 137 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: you know, if you think about just the pale blue dot, 138 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: that image, or you know some of the things that 139 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: Carl Sagan talked about, just how insignificant our tiny little 140 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: planet is and even how small our sun is in 141 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: comparison to other stars. You just realize that we have 142 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: this massive amount of life just on this tiny little 143 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: speck of dust. You just know that there there has 144 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: to be something else out there, somewhere you know, I 145 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: think of it sometimes. Where have you ever seen an 146 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: animal in a weird place? Like you're in a grocery 147 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: store and you can see a bird and you think, 148 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: how that bird get here? I've seen a little blue 149 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: tailed lizard at a gym one time. I was just going, 150 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 1: what are you doing in here? Yeah? Just get to 151 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: work out or something. I'm trying to take them outside 152 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: or somewhere where they belong. I wonder they comparison. The 153 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: pale blue dot makes me think of that. But if 154 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: if we were to talk numbers about the size of 155 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: the known universe, it's so big that we do not 156 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: have the technology to figure out how big it is. Right, 157 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 1: So we can read it to a certain extent. But 158 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: that's just as far as our technology has gotten us yet. Right. Yeah, 159 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: we can see, um, the part that we can detect 160 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: extends in all directions for about ten billion light years. 161 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: Based on these observations, experts believe the universes between ten 162 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: and maybe twenty billion years old, and the Earth is 163 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: relatively relatively a rookie in the game, being only four 164 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: and a half billion years old. Yeah, and life didn't 165 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: originate on Earth for a long time after it was created, right, Yeah, 166 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: we're still figuring that part out too. Uh. So we've 167 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: got these people called cosmologists study cosmology the study of 168 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: just the whole universe, which sounds like a pretty ambitious degree, right. 169 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: And uh. According to some of these folks, uh, the 170 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: universe has no limits in space or time. Um. Galaxy 171 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 1: seemed to be traveling away from Earth and each other 172 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: at ever increasing speeds, providing the basis for the concept 173 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: that the entire universe, as well as a part we 174 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: know about, it's just expanding, just going bigger out yep. Uh. 175 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: And you know that's that's really cool. It's a little 176 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: bit of a lonely place to think about, right. But 177 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: by the way, if you want to know more about 178 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: this this kind of stuff, cosmology high we recommend you 179 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: check out Cosmos if you're not already watching it on 180 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: National Geographic and Fox. It's fantastic, you know what. I'm 181 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: glad you mentioned Cosmos. Neil deGrasse Tyson had another show 182 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: before that that was also good. Nova And you and 183 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: I are also pretty big fans of various science shows. 184 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: And these science shows, inevitably, if they touch on space, 185 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: they have to tackle some of the big questions, which 186 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: are first, there's, um, there's this huge paradox, right, life 187 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: on Earth is everywhere, some forms of life that maybe 188 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: don't even seem like good ideas are still around. And 189 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 1: then we have the universe, the biggest empty room in reality. 190 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: Now of course it's not empty, right, just mostly we 191 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: know there has to be something. So it appears that 192 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: the problem with finding alien life, which we've talked about 193 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: in this podcast before, is that the gap in space 194 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: isn't even as worrisome as the gap in time, right absolutely, 195 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: and as we know, they are interconnected. Uh so, so 196 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: people people have kind of pondered some of these things, 197 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: even before they really understood what the universe was, what 198 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: it was made of, what the galaxies were, you know, 199 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: even what rotated, what orbited around what people have been 200 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: looking up and thinking, oh, man, what the heck is 201 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: going on up there? And you know, we come up 202 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: with stories about the heavens and and beings that live 203 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: up in those stars. Um, and so so there's been 204 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: this constant search, at least internally for what the heck 205 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 1: is going on up there. And in nineteen fifty nine, 206 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: this thing called Ceti came around the which is the 207 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: search for extraterrestrial intelligence and H. And in that year 208 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: nine UH Cornell physicist Giuseppe uh Coconi, I don't think uh, 209 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: and UH Philip Morrison. They published this article in Nature, 210 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: which is isn't that a journal? And they pointed out 211 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: that that the potential for using microwave radio, UH, they 212 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: could use that to communicate or at least send signals 213 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: outward and then also possibly received signals that were coming 214 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: in towards Earth right. And this was a this was 215 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: a very interesting finding. Um, before we go a little 216 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: bit for the let me go ahead and establish some 217 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: of the other things here. There's the thing called the 218 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: Fermi paradox, when you know about if life exists, why 219 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: haven't we found it? Not? You and I talked about 220 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: that with the time and space. And then, um, there's 221 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: something else will explore called the Drake equation. And let's 222 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: introduce that guy. Now. Uh turns out in the sixties 223 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: he is a young radio astronomer, which was a thing 224 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: you and back then he had come to the same 225 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: idea about microwave radio, and he conducted the first microwave 226 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: radio search for signals from other solar systems in nine 227 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: in spring, I believe. So here's what he did. For 228 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: two months. He aimed a UH antenna and West Virginia 229 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: in the direction of two nearby stars that he thought 230 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: were kind of like our son. He tuned his receiver 231 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: to what he called the magic frequency, which we talked 232 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: about in our video series, right, Matt, uh So, what 233 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: what's the magic frequency? Well, it is the twenty one 234 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: centimeter line or the one thousand, four D and twenty 235 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: mega hurts. That's that's what you're that's the signal. Yeah, 236 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: that's the frequency of the signal. It's a neutral hydrogen. 237 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: And this turns out to be a spot on the 238 00:15:55,440 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: radio dial that cosny or Coconian. Morrison also e've had significance. 239 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: UM Drake's two months searching the skies for life UM 240 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: did garner a response and got some interest, but not 241 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: not from the intelligent life who's looking for instead of aliens? 242 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: It was terrestrial. It came from the Soviets, and then 243 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixties, uh, the Soviet Union pretty much 244 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: held sway over the SETI project, and UH it frequently 245 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: just it would adopt all these bold strategies and rather 246 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: than searching like nearby stars, the Soviets, they just basically 247 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: set up these almost omnidirectional antenna and they would observe 248 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: just these wide swaths of the sky, and they would 249 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: just kind of count on the existence of at least 250 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: a few advanced civilizations somewhere out there in this you know, 251 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: the scope that they're looking through, um, and they would 252 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: they just assumed that one or more of them would 253 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: be radiating some kind of transmission power from their planet 254 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: or from whatever it is that they inhabit. Yeah, and 255 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: and you know, probably be communists to write if we're 256 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: making assumptions. Uh yeah, they like, Yeah, it's sort of 257 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: like the the Soviet search for Shambalah when they when 258 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: they said, well clearly this mystery religion and city is real, 259 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: they're going to be communist. Uh. So, what I hope 260 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: is coming out here in in this part of the 261 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: show is that set itself. While there is a SETI Institute, 262 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: while there are SETI projects, there's UM it's much less 263 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: centralized than you might think. CT is just an acronymic pursuit, right, 264 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: that search for extraterrestrial intelligence. So, uh, different groups, some 265 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: of which may be familiar, some which may be unfamiliar, 266 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: have messed with it, and uh there's a wide swath 267 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: to use your word of opinions about this. So NASA 268 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: even got involved, right, So, kind of the beginning of 269 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies, Uh, the Aims Research Center that's in 270 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: Mountain View, California, by the way, they began to kind 271 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: of consider the technology required for a true search that 272 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: would be effective enough, you know, to to prove this stuff. 273 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: So a team of outside experts under the direction of 274 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: this guy, Bernard Oliver from Hewlett Packer, right, that's correct. 275 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: He he made this study for NASA which was known 276 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: as Project Cyclops. You've probably heard of that before if 277 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: you're a fan of this show. Um and the Cyclops 278 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: report it basically gave an analysis of SETI science and 279 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: kind of the tech issues that they were dealing with 280 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: at the time. It's really the foundation on which pretty 281 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: much all of the subsequent work from set is based upon. Yeah, 282 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: and it was some pretty good news too, because during 283 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: this time, more and more people began to believe, hey, 284 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: this we might have the its or something to it 285 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: to actually get cooking with gas here or excuse me, 286 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: microwave radio. And uh so the Aims Research Center had 287 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: some set programs. Uh, and so did JPL in Pasadena, 288 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: and they started working together to do targeted searches, which 289 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: is opposite of what the USSR was doing. Um. But 290 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: eventually Congress terminated the funding. And so we're wasted money. 291 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: We're throwing real dollars at imaginary beings. Essentially we can't 292 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: find them. So people began getting disappointed in STI but 293 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: st continues today and uh, we'll tell you how the 294 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: search for intelligent life is going, along with allegations of 295 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: cover ups. After a word from our sponsor. 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It's doing intermestrial property, children, inventions, patents, 336 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: or legal personally. Space Station one is brought to you 337 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: by Illumination Global Unlimited. Okay, and we're back now. Uh. 338 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: Just we go back in here to to set up 339 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: a quick laundry list. And I always thinking we could 340 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: each lead off some projects of set Oh great, there 341 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: are a ton of these. Okay, I'm gonna start with 342 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: project OZMA. Oh that's a very first one, right, yep. 343 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: It's the first SETI search. It was conducted by astronomer 344 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: Frank Drake that we talked about and that was an 345 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: teen sixty. Uh. Then there's the Ohio State Big Ear 346 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: SETI project launched in seventy three, and that is the 347 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: one that we mentioned in the video. That's where we 348 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: got the WOW signal, which which is either a natural 349 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: phenomenon that we have never heard of before or since 350 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: and still can't explain, or somehow is a signal from 351 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: intelligent life. Either way, it's fascinating. What happened to the 352 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: Big eyear. Oh it was shut down in for a 353 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: golf course. For a golf course of course. Okay, So 354 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: then you've got Project Serendip that you may have heard 355 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: of as well. That was launched by the University of 356 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: California at Berkeley, and that was in nineteen seventy nine. Yeah. 357 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: NASA also had the hr m S High Resolution Microwave 358 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 1: Survey in nineteen eighty two and discontinued in ninety three 359 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: when Congress cut the funding. Now you've got Project Meta. 360 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: This one's really cool. This was the MAGA Channel Extra 361 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: Terrestrial Array and it was launched at Harvard University in 362 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five and um it was meant to search 363 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: eight point four million point five HURTS channels and the 364 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: really low frequency. Yeah yeah. And then there's the Columbus 365 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: Optical SETI COSETTI. Uh, that's an earlier one. It's nineteen nineties, 366 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: and it is searching for laser signals. And then you 367 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: got Project Beta, another familiar one, possibly the Billion Channel 368 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 1: Extra Terrestrial Array Array that was also launched at Harvard 369 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: University in nineteen and again searching billions of channels. And 370 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: then there's Project Phoenix, which SETI Institute launched to continue 371 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: the work of NASA Project Argus, which launched in nineties six. 372 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 1: And this was CETI League's all sky survey projects. They're 373 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: looking everywhere. That's sort of like shaking the entire haystack 374 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: and hoping to prick yourself on a needle. Oh, maybe 375 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: that's unfair. Maybe. Then there's the Southern serendip And then 376 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: there's the one of the most exciting ones for anybody 377 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: who feels like personally lending a hand to the search 378 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: for intelligent life. Set at Home. Uh. Now this is 379 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: this is the It came out in nineteen I think 380 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: I think that's around the time that I signed up 381 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: for it UM. And it was essentially literally a a 382 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: program that ran kind of behind the scenes on your 383 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: computer and it just crunched data. Basically, it was analyzing data. 384 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: Did you ever do that? Yeah? I did it for 385 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: a short time. I even did it here at how 386 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: stuff works on my computer. When I would go home, 387 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: I remember that overnight it would be running steady at home. 388 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: So maybe this could be your way or our way 389 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: to pitch in and find intelligent life. But now, Noel, please, 390 00:25:51,840 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: could I get some conspiracy music? Perfect? Thank you. The 391 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: reason we're asking for this music, of course, is because 392 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: now it's time to talk about whether there could be 393 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: a cover up. Because Matt, you're memorily did our video. 394 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: A lot of guys were commenting on YouTube about how 395 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: set has a secrecy clause. It does publicly disclose things, right, 396 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: Can you tell me a little bit about that, man? So, yeah, 397 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: you gotta think about let's just think about the pursuit 398 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: of science. Science. When you're conducting a study, um, you know, 399 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: and then you have some findings that you really want 400 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: someone to know about, or you want the world to 401 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 1: know about, for you know, fame, fortune, and the advancement 402 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: of science. You you generally make your your work known, 403 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: You release it, you get it, you send it to journals, 404 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: to get it pure reviewed and um. But and that's 405 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: that's on a general wide level, but at the at 406 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: the localized level in the study that's occurring, the one 407 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: study that a group of scientists is doing somewhere, that's 408 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 1: usually kept pretty private, okay, because you don't want other 409 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: scientists to know exactly what it is that you're looking at, 410 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: because again you're searching for I use the phrase fame 411 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: and fortune, but I don't want to get scooped exactly. 412 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: So that's just between scientists, right, trying to keep things secretive. 413 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 1: But there's another group that's even more tenuous, has a 414 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: more tenuous relationship with us, with the individual scientists. I think, 415 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: I know you're talking about, well, yeah, the journalist, right, 416 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: the media. Yeah, that that does make sense because if 417 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: you read news, whether on the Internet, whether through a newspaper, 418 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: or you know, on your local television, you realize over 419 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 1: time that the media and journalists have a a tendency 420 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: to grab something, sensationalize it, and run with it. So 421 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: if some buddy publishes a study that says, we found 422 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: a certain type of amino acid when combined in this 423 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: certain situation, will do you know action X? Then people 424 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: come out. People may welcome out with amino acid has 425 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: intelligence solving puzzles well. And that's why the the press 426 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 1: releases are so important for the places like NASA, CDC, 427 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: things like that, or if you actually have a you know, 428 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: every once in a while you'll hear that NASA is 429 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: gonna make an announcement or the CDC will make an 430 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: announcement and they have a very public hey, and there's 431 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: usually a PR person there trying to give out the message. 432 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: Now that works both ways in my mind. Ben. So 433 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: it's not only is it trying to make clear what 434 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: the information is, but it's also trying to manage it. 435 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: It's managing it exactly. It's spinning it. Yeah, I I 436 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: see that's the thing, because you and I talked about 437 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: this too, like we know that you know, this guy 438 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,479 Speaker 1: wrote a book called The Eerie Silence? Are We Alone 439 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: in the Universe? Professor Paul Davies he was the chair 440 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: of the SETI Post Detection Science and Technology Task Group 441 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: for a while, and he said that the group themselves 442 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: grappled with the need for public disclosure, but they ultimately 443 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: decided to keep the to keep it behind closed. The 444 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,239 Speaker 1: worst kind of decisions because They were worried that if 445 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: information leaked out prematurely, they might be, in lack of 446 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: a better phrase, a boy who cried wolf situation. Um. Well, 447 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: you know when the Wild Signal came out, there was 448 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: a huge media just outpouring of whoa inspect like speculation, 449 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: just saying what the heck was this thing? Is it aliens? 450 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: Oh my god? We know now we now know that 451 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: we're not alone in the universe because of the Wild Signal, 452 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: right yeah, and uh, which may be true, but it's 453 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: not but it but you know it's not a proven thing, 454 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,719 Speaker 1: right right? Yeah? We um. We look at that a 455 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: little bit in our video series. Again, if you haven't 456 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: checked it out, do check it out, because we learned 457 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: some really cool stuff in there. Especially there's that one 458 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: quote that Jerry Emmons says where the video. Yeah yeah, um, 459 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to ruin it for you, but check 460 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: it out, check it out. Uh. So we also, I 461 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: figured it was best for us to go straight to 462 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: the source when we're talking about some of the conspiratorial stuff, 463 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: whether there has been evidence that has been suppressed so 464 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: from CTS, UH frequently asked questions. They tackle a lot 465 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:39,479 Speaker 1: of this stuff. One question is, has set Uh found 466 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: life or evidence of life on other planets. The answer 467 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: is no, Scientists that found no clear indications of life 468 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: past or present beyond the Earth. There have been tantalizing 469 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: suggestions that the Viking mission might have detected evidence of 470 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: microbile microbial life on Mars, that there are falsil fossil 471 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: microbes and some Mars rocks, but they haven't been fair 472 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: verified yet. Now, if you believe that there is an 473 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: extraterrestrial contact with Earth already, then of course it's it's 474 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: easy to see how set He could seem like smoke 475 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: and mirrors, you know what I mean. But I I 476 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: have to say it's it's kind of difficult to believe 477 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: that if there were extraterrestrials on the planet's it's difficult 478 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: to believe how that could remain a secret. Um agreed. 479 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: Unless now we're one of my favorite parts of the 480 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: episode to Matt, which is where I kind of I 481 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,719 Speaker 1: ask you you asked me about this sort of stuff. 482 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: I want to go ahead and jump into this right away. 483 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: We talked earlier about the origin of life on Earth. 484 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: Right still kind of wishy washy. We're still not sure 485 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: exactly how it happened. But there's that great theory with 486 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: that horrible name, which you've already mentioned on our podcast, Yeah, 487 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: which would mean that if if it were true, it 488 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: would mean that we were the alien life form, right 489 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: that life, Yeah, life was the alien life form. That 490 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: to go with our virus analogy that if you picture 491 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: Earth as just a single selled organism, right with everything 492 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: that a virus needs to survive, then somehow on a meteor, uh, 493 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: we washed out into Earth and then just started replicating 494 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: and now we're we're teeming over you know, infesting the 495 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: host organics. That's intense man. For me, that's a that's 496 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: a hugely compelling argument for how life came about. I know, 497 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: it's it's a little tough because you have to assume 498 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: that life existed somewhere else in order for it to 499 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: get here. It's kind of kicking the can down the road, 500 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah? Exactly, just exactly so it's not it's 501 00:32:55,520 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: not exactly answering our our stuff. But um, it all 502 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: goes back to the idea of life as we know it, 503 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: based on DNA, based on r n A. Um, what 504 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: else could be out there? Could there be some other 505 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: thing that doesn't use any of that, you know. Um, well, 506 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: it's it's a possibility. And that's the great thing about study. 507 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: We've we've allowed ourselves to think differently through this search. 508 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: And I think, man, Ben, I gotta tell you, I 509 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: think we're gonna find some really soon with with the 510 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: new telescopes. Who with, I think we're gonna at least 511 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: find the trace of life. It's gonna be microbial, It's 512 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: gonna be tiny, uh, microorganisms, but it's gonna be there. 513 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: There's another fascinating idea that I heard, the conspiratorial idea, 514 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: which was that uh, for ideological or religious reasons, people 515 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: in government and in the executive levels of different scientific 516 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: institutes were cooperating to destroy evidence of alien life, you know, 517 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: microbial stuff, so that it wouldn't shake the foundations of 518 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: world religions. You know. I heard it sometimes for Christianity, Um, 519 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,879 Speaker 1: primarily for Christianity. Was very interesting theory. I didn't find 520 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 1: too much to back it up. One thing that I 521 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:32,760 Speaker 1: read specifically was citing the the methodology of testing soil 522 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: for life, or testing dirt on Mars or the moon. Um, 523 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: there's a there's a method that the rovers used to 524 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: heat up the We talked about this, right, I think yeah. 525 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: They they heat up the sample and incinerate it essentially, 526 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 1: and then analyze the gases. So if there was something 527 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: in there, they would it would show up in the 528 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: different it was carbon based, But what if it's not 529 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: carbon based and there are a couple of there a 530 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: couple of different different ideas with that. That was an 531 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: interesting theory to me, and I would I would love 532 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: to learn if there were you know, is is it 533 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: possible that's some sort of alien craft or alien culture 534 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: interacted with Earth at some point in history. It's possible. 535 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: It's difficult to see how it could be plausible given 536 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: the time and distance involved, without going into some sort 537 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: of um extra dimensional idea. Right. Um, I want to 538 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: believe that stuff. You know that. Yeah, everybody listening knows. 539 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: I want to believe absolutely. Fox Molder over here, I 540 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,240 Speaker 1: hope you do too. That's the I think that's important. 541 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: It's the it's the inspiration and the imagination that us 542 00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: going absolutely. First off, if we didn't want to figure 543 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: out what's going on, if we didn't want to believe things, 544 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: and uh, there would have been no progress as a species. 545 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 1: Why would you even look into it, and also clearly 546 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 1: the the most implausible thing at all in this entire conversation, 547 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 1: The most unreasonable impossible thing is that there would not 548 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: be other intelligent life somewhere in the universe, given that 549 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: there is an infinite size. That's the most ridiculous thing. 550 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: That is literally the most ridiculous thing to think. Thank you, 551 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: Dr Drake. Yeah, yeah, thank you for the Drake equation. God, 552 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: it's time for us to go, and we didn't even 553 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: get to the shadow biosphere, which I think we should 554 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: talk about in the future. We have to. But before 555 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 1: we get out of here really quickly, I just want 556 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: to read this piece of listener mail. This comes from 557 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 1: Charles B. He says, Hello, I saw the video about 558 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: aliens in dulcea New Mexico. Sorry about that. My fault, guys, 559 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,919 Speaker 1: blame it on me. It was my fault. He says. 560 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,399 Speaker 1: I'm from New Mexico and I'm a lifelong resident. Ever 561 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: since I was in grade school, Dulce has always been 562 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,399 Speaker 1: associated with aliens. Like Roswell, New Mexico is and he says, 563 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,839 Speaker 1: growing up and now in adulthood, the people in New 564 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: Mexico they have an inside joke for Dulce, and that 565 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 1: is Dulce is where the government kept all their aliens. 566 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: All towns in northern New Mexico, even Dulce, are are 567 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: very rural and the mass majority of these towns have 568 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: only one high school. That kind of gives you an 569 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 1: idea of how small they might be. He also says 570 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 1: that many people in northern in the northern part of 571 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,479 Speaker 1: New Mexico is still speaks Spanish and are very close 572 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: to one another. People and their families don't stay very 573 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: far away from their homes and communities in northern New Mexico. 574 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 1: Um in a town like Dulce, it's very common to 575 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: find two or three generations of intermediate and extended families 576 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 1: living together and in small communities. So odds are finding 577 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,240 Speaker 1: people that may have personal insight on this alien matter 578 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,800 Speaker 1: might not be too difficult. In the video, you spoke 579 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,839 Speaker 1: about the alleged security guard Thomas Costello and how there 580 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: might be confusion about the spelling of his name, either 581 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 1: c O S or c A S. And what Charles 582 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: here suggests is that it may actually be Castillo I 583 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: guess Spanish version of it, and he also says later 584 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: on that it might not be Thomas. It might be Thomas. However, 585 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: I kind of looked into it and found out that 586 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: it is actually the alleged person is Thomas Edwin cost Costello. Um. 587 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 1: So I just wanted to let you know, by the way, 588 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,399 Speaker 1: thank you Charles for writing again let us know that's 589 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 1: that's interesting insight. Um. But we did a little more 590 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 1: digging and we found out that it is Thomas Edwin Costello, 591 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 1: and we are going to keep digging. We hope that 592 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,399 Speaker 1: you enjoyed this episode and we'd like to hear what 593 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,439 Speaker 1: we should cover in upcoming episodes. There are a couple 594 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: of ways to find us. We're all over the internet. Uh, 595 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 1: check out Matt and I on Twitter. 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