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Speaker 2: Peter King, formerly with NBC Sports and the Monday Morning
Speaker 2: Quarterback and well retirement and now look at him, a
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Speaker 2: great seeing you, Pete. What riled you up?
Speaker 1: Dan?
Speaker 3: I was just walking the dog.
Speaker 4: I was just walking Chuck here in Brooklyn, and I
Speaker 4: was listening to your show with all of the falder
Speaker 4: all around Shadeur Sanders, and I don't know, I just
Speaker 4: wanted to address a few things.
Speaker 3: And I'm you know, I said to Todd, so happy
Speaker 3: to talk to Dan off the air.
Speaker 4: But I mean, there's just a few things like, for instance,
Speaker 4: wearing the hat backwards. The coach of the Year in
Speaker 4: the NFL this year was Dan Quinn. He wears his
Speaker 4: hat backwards. I think it looks a little bit twenty
Speaker 4: one ish, but that's the way Dan Quinn likes to
Speaker 4: wear his hat. Who who cares? That's one number two.
Speaker 4: Dion Sanders. I remember this specifically in nineteen eighty nine
Speaker 4: when he was in the draft and he came out
Speaker 4: like Gangbusters prime time cover of SI, you know, being
Speaker 4: very very counter NFL culture and over the years. One
Speaker 4: of the things that I grew to respect incredibly about
Speaker 4: Dion Sanders is that he knew that a cornerback in
Speaker 4: the NFL was not going to make Troy Aikman Barry
Speaker 4: Sanders money unless he wasn't just your average, everyday great
Speaker 4: player in the draft. And so he made himself into
Speaker 4: something that he knew would make him more money. And
Speaker 4: he was smart. And look, I have no idea. I
Speaker 4: didn't go to the Combine. I don't cover the NFL
Speaker 4: right now, so I don't know anything. Okay, I just
Speaker 4: know this that the Shaudeur Sanders who met with teams
Speaker 4: at the Combine, he probably probably can basically play the
Speaker 4: game the way he and his dad think is best
Speaker 4: for him. Like, let's just say that Dion and Shadure
Speaker 4: believe that I don't go to Cleveland.
Speaker 3: Man, it is a graveyard.
Speaker 4: And so when you go into Cleveland, when you go
Speaker 4: into your meeting with Cleveland, you don't have to say, oh, man,
Speaker 4: I'd love to go to Cleveland.
Speaker 3: Here's what I'll do. I'm going to help you change
Speaker 3: your culture.
Speaker 4: All that.
Speaker 3: Suppose he's just a little bit passive and or you
Speaker 3: seem like he'd he seems like he doesn't care.
Speaker 4: And again, look, I come from the stance that I
Speaker 4: know nothing other than what I've read a little bit
Speaker 4: on social media, and I don't so I don't have
Speaker 4: any firsthand knowledge of this. And Dan, I think the
Speaker 4: one last thing I would say is that, you know,
Speaker 4: you talk about guys who are arrogant maybe, and you
Speaker 4: talk about you know, like a Marino or Brady. You know,
Speaker 4: you can be any way you want when you win,
Speaker 4: any way you want. And there's something about the fire
Speaker 4: from Dan Marino. You know the day I covered in
Speaker 4: ninety one or ninety two, maybe ninety five, I forget
Speaker 4: when it was, Dan Marino broke fran Tarkentin's all time
Speaker 4: record for passing yards.
Speaker 3: In his career and they lost the game.
Speaker 4: Harvey Green, the PR guy, goes up to Dan Marino
Speaker 4: after the game and says, here hands them a statu
Speaker 4: sheet from the game, figuring that. He said, you know,
Speaker 4: I figure you might want to have this keepsake, and
Speaker 4: Marino looks at it. He goes, you know, and he
Speaker 4: wasn't being a jerk to Harvey Green. He just said,
Speaker 4: we just lost the EFEN football game. I don't give
Speaker 4: two blanks about stats and about records, you know, and
Speaker 4: so those things are okay, But all I'm saying is
Speaker 4: that and is that the narrative?
Speaker 3: You know, I think the player has a.
Speaker 4: Chance to control before the draft, and has anybody thought
Speaker 4: that maybe Shador Sanders is just trying to control his
Speaker 4: own narrative?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mentioned that maybe he doesn't want to go
Speaker 2: to Cleveland if that's the team. We don't know the team,
Speaker 2: and maybe he's like, hey, I can be arrogant because
Speaker 2: I don't want you to draft me. You know, there's agendas.
Speaker 2: We understand that, and you know, as reporters, I'm sure
Speaker 2: you're fed information sometimes by somebody who has an agenda,
Speaker 2: and whether you see through or not, but you know
Speaker 2: who benefits from shod Or Sanders falling out of the
Speaker 2: first round. A couple other quarterbacks could benefit from that,
Speaker 2: or a team may want to get him at a
Speaker 2: cheaper price. You know how this works, Pete, he did
Speaker 2: it for over forty years where people have agendas, and
Speaker 2: maybe that's what it is. But you know, to be
Speaker 2: called arrogant, is that that's that's We're okay with cocky, confident, brash, arrogant,
Speaker 2: arrogant probably you know, sounds some alarms for people. Teams.
Speaker 4: Dan, you know what I remember before the twenty I
Speaker 4: guess it was twenty ten draft. That was the Cam
Speaker 4: Newton draft, right or was it twenty eleven, whatever it was,
Speaker 4: but I remember I interviewed Newton who was on a
Speaker 4: little bit of a press tour, and at one point
Speaker 4: during the interview he said to me, I want to
Speaker 4: be not just a great quarterback, but you know, I
Speaker 4: want to be an entertainer. And he used some other.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah words that that you say.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, boy, imagine a guy who wants to
Speaker 4: be drafted very high in the draft saying the other
Speaker 4: word was icon. I just remembered it. I want to
Speaker 4: be an icon and an entertainer. Well, you know, and
Speaker 4: again I'm not saying that that should be the death nel,
Speaker 4: and it certainly was it. He was the first overall
Speaker 4: pick in the draft. But I put out on Twitter
Speaker 4: and I wrote, some teams are not going to like
Speaker 4: a quarterback saying I want to be an icon and
Speaker 4: an entertainer. They're just not so some of the stuff that,
Speaker 4: you know, you have to ask yourself if you were
Speaker 4: in an interview, a fifteen minute interview, with Dion Sanders,
Speaker 4: and he is either passive or looking at his watch,
Speaker 4: or it seems like he doesn't care. A lot of
Speaker 4: people would say, don't pay any attention, and I just
Speaker 4: look at his body at work.
Speaker 3: Well, hang on a minute.
Speaker 4: Are you the one who's going to stake the future
Speaker 4: of your franchise on a guy you're just really not
Speaker 4: too sure about? And I'm not suggesting that people should
Speaker 4: or they shouldn't. I'm just simply saying you'd be naive
Speaker 4: to think that that doesn't go into the pot of
Speaker 4: what you consider doing with that pick, and that it
Speaker 4: shouldn't go into it, because I think all things should
Speaker 4: go in, uh, into the mixing bowl when you consider.
Speaker 3: What you do.
Speaker 2: Anytime you get riled up, Pete, you can always call in. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'll give you an outlet.
Speaker 3: All right, Dan, that sounds like fun.
Speaker 2: Thankk you, Peter. That's the Hall of Famer Peter King
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Speaker 2: We had some comments that Trevor Sikima, he is the
Speaker 2: lead draft analyst at Pro Football Focus, and he sent
Speaker 2: Fritzy some talking points saying that he has not heard
Speaker 2: anyone talk with conviction about you Sanders being a QB
Speaker 2: one in the top ten or even as a first rounder.
Speaker 2: We attributed that to Matt Miller, ESPN, NFL Draft analyst.
Speaker 2: So Matt, I don't know, why don't you tell us
Speaker 2: how you feel about Shudor Sanders. Do you think he'll
Speaker 2: be a first round quarterback?
Speaker 7: You can attribute that to me. I've heard all the
Speaker 7: same things I think all of us have, especially coming
Speaker 7: out of the combine, Dan, where you all kind of
Speaker 7: everybody goes to the same three restaurants in Indianapolis and
Speaker 7: talks late at night. We're all kind of hearing the
Speaker 7: same stuff. But I would agree with that. I think
Speaker 7: it's hard to find a team right now. That says, yeah,
Speaker 7: that's our guy, You're crazy. And I just put an
Speaker 7: article out last week before the Combine or during the
Speaker 7: combine actually, and it was ranking the quarterbacks from the
Speaker 7: past five years. Sudor Sanders was second to last. Can
Speaker 7: you Pickett was the only quarterback with a lower grade
Speaker 7: than him coming into the NFL. So that is in
Speaker 7: line with what I've seen watching the tape over the
Speaker 7: last years. It's what I hear talking to as many
Speaker 7: scouts and coaches and general managers as I do this
Speaker 7: time of year.
Speaker 3: A lot of.
Speaker 7: People want to like Shadoor Sanders. I don't get the
Speaker 7: feeling that teams love him, not the way that they
Speaker 7: do cam Ward. There's a sizeable gap right now to
Speaker 7: where like it's I think you could easily say this
Speaker 7: year there is a consensus number one quarterback, which is
Speaker 7: rare that doesn't often happen. Even last year with all
Speaker 7: the Caleb Williams love. There are teams that like Jayon Daniels.
Speaker 7: There are teams like Drake May. We have a true
Speaker 7: consensus number one quarterback this year and it's cam Ward
Speaker 7: from Miami.
Speaker 2: Okay, is this just football that we're talking about with
Speaker 2: Shador Sanders. Now cam Ward, we can get to him
Speaker 2: in a moment. But is there a smear campaign with
Speaker 2: Shador Sanders or are people just being honest with the
Speaker 2: talent or you know, performance that they saw.
Speaker 7: So I think it's both. I do think that it's
Speaker 7: it's about football. He is six foot one, he put
Speaker 7: on some weight for the combine, he got up to
Speaker 7: two hundred and twelve pounds. He played closer to two
Speaker 7: hundred pounds. He doesn't have the biggest arm. He's not
Speaker 7: the greatest athlete I know. For folks who didn't watch
Speaker 7: Colorado play, he might be Deon sanders son, but he
Speaker 7: got his mom's feet right. He's not a four or
Speaker 7: three athlete. But he is incredibly tough, and he's incredibly accurate,
Speaker 7: and he's willing to stand in the pocket and make
Speaker 7: some place. I do think on the other side of
Speaker 7: that is there are gonna be people that are gonna
Speaker 7: see players differently. I've talked to young scouts who loved
Speaker 7: their interviews with shod Or Sanders. I've talked to older
Speaker 7: scouts and general managers who were put off by him.
Speaker 7: And I think that's going to be the case for
Speaker 7: a lot of the new era of athlete coming into
Speaker 7: the NFL, where guys are making millions of dollars in
Speaker 7: college football now, it has prepared them for life a
Speaker 7: little differently, and so I think you are going to
Speaker 7: get a disconnect. I tend to not put a ton
Speaker 7: of stock into those quotes from scouts and gms of oh,
Speaker 7: we didn't like this interview. It's different if everyone tells
Speaker 7: you the same thing. I remember asking about Will Levis,
Speaker 7: and everyone I talked to said the same thing. Was like,
Speaker 7: this guy is just like pent up, like he's trying
Speaker 7: to be a perfectionist. He's not smooth, he's not fluid.
Speaker 7: The conversations feel like he's gonna have a heart attack.
Speaker 7: Well guess what, he plays the same way on the
Speaker 7: football field. So that's when I think it matters, is
Speaker 7: when those interviews match with a play style. She Door
Speaker 7: is a hell of a player. There's just there's not
Speaker 7: that love for him out there right now in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Is cam Ward being elevated because there is no competition
Speaker 2: so he might?
Speaker 7: Absolutely? Okay, yeah, yeah absolutely. If we were talking about
Speaker 7: last year's drafts, cam Ward would have been the sixth
Speaker 7: or seventh guy drafted, probably at quarterback, not overall, at quarterback,
Speaker 7: And that might still make you a top ten pick,
Speaker 7: right because those guys flew up the board last year.
Speaker 7: But I do think he's being elevated. It is interesting
Speaker 7: both quarterbacks Sanders and Ward, they have some bad habits
Speaker 7: that are going to need coached out of them. Pam
Speaker 7: Ward's kind of get dismissed because he has a strong arm.
Speaker 7: It's like, well, you know, he stands in the pocket
Speaker 7: way too long. He takes a lot of sacks he
Speaker 7: doesn't need to. He very often waits for the open man.
Speaker 7: But he's got a strong arm. So you kind of
Speaker 7: like you make those excuses for it. Whereas I think
Speaker 7: both guys are going to need coach pretty hard when
Speaker 7: they get to the NFL just to learn to play
Speaker 7: on time. Both guys have a little bit of that
Speaker 7: Caleb Williams mentality where they think they can stand back
Speaker 7: there and drift and drift and drift to wait for
Speaker 7: somebody to pop open and then they'll throw it. What
Speaker 7: we saw last year for Caleb, who I still love,
Speaker 7: Like that doesn't work in the NFL, and guys who
Speaker 7: can play on time are going to have a lot
Speaker 7: more success early. Both these quarterbacks have to figure that out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in college, you can wait, wait, wait, wait, and
Speaker 2: then throw. In the NFL, you can wait wait and
Speaker 2: then you better throw. So I mean, it's it's just
Speaker 2: so much quicker. You have to throw guys open. And Caleb,
Speaker 2: you know, was doing all this at USC And I
Speaker 2: remember talking to a friend of mine who's the scout
Speaker 2: And he goes, that won't last long in the NFL.
Speaker 2: He won't last long in the NFL if you think
Speaker 2: you can escape and you know, improvise. And this scout
Speaker 2: said that he always goes back to Peyton Manning and
Speaker 2: Tom Brady when when the play was over, it was over.
Speaker 2: They went down in a fetal position. You know, live
Speaker 2: to play another day. But these college quarterback so you know,
Speaker 2: Johnny Manziel, he was always going to get out of something. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, it helped having a great receiver there. But
Speaker 2: I think that you know, is Tennessee going to take
Speaker 2: cam Ward?
Speaker 7: I don't think so. I didn't get that sense, okay,
Speaker 7: And I think it's very telling that they are having
Speaker 7: these guys in for private workouts this week. This is
Speaker 7: the earliest I've ever heard of a team bringing players
Speaker 7: in after the combine. And I think they're doing that
Speaker 7: because they want they want to date with these guys
Speaker 7: so they can trade this pick, but they want to
Speaker 7: they want to have that meeting first so they can say,
Speaker 7: just in case, just in case we missed something, let's
Speaker 7: bring in cam Ward. They're bringing in shoot Ur s Anders.
Speaker 7: They're going to have an Abdill Carter, and I think
Speaker 7: you make that decision probably very soon after this week
Speaker 7: of Okay, Cleveland Brown's New York Giants, whoever it is,
Speaker 7: We're now open for business and not only ving for business.
Speaker 7: We're far enough along in the process that we can
Speaker 7: make kind of an educated decision. But I don't I
Speaker 7: don't get the sense right now that the Titans feel
Speaker 7: like cam Ward is going to turn this football team around.
Speaker 2: He's Matt Miller, ESPN, NFL Draft List. I always look
Speaker 2: at teams where coaching staffs that they split the season
Speaker 2: like it's the first eight or nine games, because they
Speaker 2: may not survive after eight or nine games. The Giant situation,
Speaker 2: they have to win in those first eight or nine games,
Speaker 2: and that's the tricky part. Aaron Rodgers gives you a
Speaker 2: better chance than cam Ward will or Shud or Sanders.
Speaker 2: There's probably a few other coaching staffs that have if
Speaker 2: you're in your second or third year as a head coach,
Speaker 2: you know, not your first year like Aaron Glenn. But
Speaker 2: that's where I don't know. Do the Giants play it
Speaker 2: safe from the coaching perspective, trying to keep your job
Speaker 2: and you take Aaron Rodgers instead of cam Ward I
Speaker 2: think so.
Speaker 7: I think that's why they were so all in on
Speaker 7: Matthew Stafford and it was no surprise. I expect they'll
Speaker 7: be in on Sam Darnold to some degree as long
Speaker 7: as he's not franchise tag today, which sounds like you
Speaker 7: won't be. And I don't know if Sam wants to
Speaker 7: go back to New York right, there's that whole other
Speaker 7: element of it. But I think what you know, in
Speaker 7: most years, you would say, you know what, draft the
Speaker 7: young quarterback and if he shows promise, you keep your
Speaker 7: job because then you have the hope of, well, we
Speaker 7: got to develop this quarterback. I don't know that the
Speaker 7: quarterbacks this year are to that level that if you're
Speaker 7: Brian Dable or even Kevin Stefanski necessarily where you say
Speaker 7: I'm gonna put my job on this guy. Who did
Speaker 7: you feel at any point during the college but we
Speaker 7: all season that cam Ward Orsheld or Sanders were the
Speaker 7: best quarterback in college I know they led college and touchdowns,
Speaker 7: but I never watched on a Saturday and thought, God,
Speaker 7: this guy is the best quarterback in college football, like
Speaker 7: I did Jayden Daniels, or like I did Joe Burrow.
Speaker 7: You know, you don't get that level of conviction with
Speaker 7: these guys. So I do feel like that's where we're
Speaker 7: getting teams that are saying Cleveland's different, they have to
Speaker 7: draft a quarterback because of Deshaun Watson. But with the
Speaker 7: Titans the Giants, it's yeah, maybe we just bring in
Speaker 7: some competition here. Maybe we try to bridge quarterback situation
Speaker 7: for another season, and then if we keep our jobs,
Speaker 7: then we'll worry about what twenty twenty six might look like.
Speaker 2: The big reason why we wanted to have you on
Speaker 2: is obviously hand size. Jalen Milroe hand sized. His hands
Speaker 2: got bigger since the Senior Bowl. How does that happen?
Speaker 7: Almost an inch bigger, not like an incremental he grew
Speaker 7: out his fingernails an inch bigger. I don't I've talked
Speaker 7: to hand surgeons this week. How quickly could you do
Speaker 7: a finger extension?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 7: You know what's going on. The honest answer is, I
Speaker 7: think what happened at the Senior Bowl is they measured
Speaker 7: his left hand, for example, and at the combine they
Speaker 7: measured his right hand. That will happen. That's the only
Speaker 7: thing I can come up with. You see measurement disparities,
Speaker 7: and there's some gamesmanship to this. I think it was.
Speaker 7: Was it Brandon Allen coming out of Arkansas like ten
Speaker 7: years ago that was doing the hand stretches to get
Speaker 7: his hands bigger and it actually worked. So I want
Speaker 7: to talk to Cam Word. I want to find this out.
Speaker 7: I have a message into his dad, Calvin, to find
Speaker 7: out the answer to this, because I excuse me to
Speaker 7: Jayleen Milroe, I haven't a message into his agent to
Speaker 7: find this out. I got to find out because it's
Speaker 7: I've never I've never heard of an inch. That's that's
Speaker 7: a lot, that's that's a big time hand growth.
Speaker 2: And I'm wondering about NFL teams who fell in love
Speaker 2: with the running game, if other teams will follow suit
Speaker 2: in the draft, will we see an uptick in that
Speaker 2: you won't be afraid to draft a running back or
Speaker 2: two in the first round.
Speaker 7: I think you will be afraid, and you also will
Speaker 7: get the public backlash, except for from mel Kiper who
Speaker 7: says you should never draft a running back in the
Speaker 7: first round, otherwise you know you're not going to get
Speaker 7: your beat reporters in there saying, oh my god, I
Speaker 7: can't believe we took Ashton Genty in the top ten,
Speaker 7: or we took Omarion Hampton in the top thirty. I
Speaker 7: think you can point to Jon Robinson and Jamier Gibbs
Speaker 7: even as examples of drafting a guy in the first round.
Speaker 7: They can come in and be the backbone of your offense.
Speaker 7: I think more importantly, if you have your quarterback, if
Speaker 7: you're a team that has that figured out, that's the
Speaker 7: time to draft a running back now because you have
Speaker 7: that position solved and you can go back to being
Speaker 7: a balanced team. But this is one of the best
Speaker 7: running back classes of not the best running back class
Speaker 7: I've ever seen. I've been doing this for fifteen years,
Speaker 7: so I think we've got a shot to have a
Speaker 7: record for the modern era, which would be thirty running
Speaker 7: backs drafted. The last time that happened was twenty seventeen,
Speaker 7: which was Leonard Fournette, Christian McCaffrey, players like that. So
Speaker 7: I don't know that we see three fly off the
Speaker 7: board in the top fifteen necessarily, but feel pretty confidently
Speaker 7: but we could see three in the top thirty picks.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Travis Hunter or his agent has
Speaker 2: said anything, but is there going to be any blowback
Speaker 2: if he doesn't want to go to a team because
Speaker 2: of how he thinks they would use him or not
Speaker 2: use him.
Speaker 7: I haven't heard anything about that that would be fascinating.
Speaker 7: I think the sense that I've got is that Travis
Speaker 7: just loves football so much. He does want to go
Speaker 7: smart where he can play both ways, and it truly
Speaker 7: is like his belief that he will make that team
Speaker 7: better by doing both. But I think that is an
Speaker 7: important part of the next forty five days is him
Speaker 7: having those conversations with teams. And I said before the combine,
Speaker 7: my number one question of him to him if I
Speaker 7: was a general manager would be what if we said
Speaker 7: you can only play one way? Which side is that?
Speaker 7: What do you prefer? I personally think he would be
Speaker 7: better as a wide receiver. I have friends in the
Speaker 7: league who think you would be better at corners. So
Speaker 7: there is kind of this polarization about which side would
Speaker 7: he be better at. But I think ultimately it comes
Speaker 7: down to which side. Do you have a love for
Speaker 7: one side more than the other, or do you care
Speaker 7: that wide receivers make double what corners?
Speaker 1: Dude?
Speaker 7: Has that factored into your decision making process or the longevity.
Speaker 7: You know, he's one hundred and eighty eight pounds six
Speaker 7: foot one hundred and eighty eight pounds. I don't personally
Speaker 7: want him tackling AJ Brown fifteen times a game. I
Speaker 7: would rather him be trying to evade those guys than
Speaker 7: go out and initiate contacts. So there is a lot
Speaker 7: to that. I know he says he could play both ways.
Speaker 7: I think he can try. My statement has been it
Speaker 7: is very hard to be great at one position in
Speaker 7: the NFL, just mentally it's so hard. So now we're
Speaker 7: going to divide that time to a rookie and say, hey,
Speaker 7: not only welcome to the NFL, but but now you
Speaker 7: got to learn two very very hard positions to transition
Speaker 7: to the NFL, where we don't see guys as rookies
Speaker 7: oftentimes have great years as corners, times at receiver. But
Speaker 7: we're asking him to learn two very hard positions at
Speaker 7: the same time. I don't know how feasible that is.
Speaker 2: He said that it's tougher to do what he's trying
Speaker 2: to do than what sho Heu Tani does by hitting
Speaker 2: and pitching your thoughts, I.
Speaker 7: Think hitting a baseball is the hardest thing in sports.
Speaker 7: So I'm gonna respectfully disagree as someone who could do
Speaker 7: neither right. It's easy to sit here in my quarter
Speaker 7: zip and say one's easier than the other. But I
Speaker 7: think hitting a baseball when it's one hundred miles an hours,
Speaker 7: the hardest thing is forcing them to turn around to
Speaker 7: be a dominant pitcher. Now to Travis's point, he said,
Speaker 7: show Hey only pitches once every five games. That's five days.
Speaker 7: By the way, Travis only have to play football once
Speaker 7: every seven days. So if we're being honest about the statements,
Speaker 7: they're both getting some breaks in there. But I think
Speaker 7: what show Hey does is unprecedented.
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you. Is there anybody that we
Speaker 2: should keep an eye on that you would consider given
Speaker 2: what happened at the Combine that really affected their draft status.
Speaker 7: I think Nick even worry The safety from South Carolina
Speaker 7: went from being a late first rounder to maybe a
Speaker 7: top fifteen pick to be six three two twenty throne
Speaker 7: of four to three. He looks like Derwin James out there.
Speaker 7: He has ball skills. He had four picks five pass
Speaker 7: breakups this year. He's a great tackler as well. So
Speaker 7: I still think as we try to figure out how
Speaker 7: to handle mobile quarterbacks. Defenders like him are the answer.
Speaker 7: So he's I think he's the biggest riser coming out
Speaker 7: of it all.
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you. We'll talk to you again.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Matt.
Speaker 7: Thanks An.
Speaker 2: That's Matt Miller.
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Speaker 2: Trevor Sikimam he is the lead analyst Pro Football Focus
Speaker 2: and you have a strong opinion on Shudor Sanders as well. Trevor,
Speaker 2: good to have you back. Where do you stand on
Speaker 2: Shudoor Sanders. Yeah, I appreciate it.
Speaker 7: Dan.
Speaker 8: First off, five to eleven one seventy eight and seven
Speaker 8: eight inch hand size, although that is with no hand
Speaker 8: massaging going on. So I feel like if we get
Speaker 8: a couple of weeks with that technique, I can hit
Speaker 8: that Joe Burrow nine inch threshold. So I just want
Speaker 8: to say that first and foremost. You know what shoud
Speaker 8: Or Sanders. The fact of the matter is I had
Speaker 8: him slipping out of my post combine mock draft that
Speaker 8: I did over at PFF dot com. And the reason
Speaker 8: why is because I could not find anybody that spoke
Speaker 8: with conviction with Shuder Sanders being QB one taken in
Speaker 8: the top ten, or even as a first round quarterback.
Speaker 8: So to me, when I hear that and I line
Speaker 8: that up with a lot of people were talking about
Speaker 8: cam Ward, is somebody that you take that chance on,
Speaker 8: I feel like it's a one quarterback race at this point.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 8: When I watch Shador, he plays a very clean brand football.
Speaker 8: He understands the position very very well. You could tell
Speaker 8: that he's been raised around the game. He understands how
Speaker 8: to read defenses, go through progressions, all of that, operate
Speaker 8: the pocket, make protection calls.
Speaker 7: He knows how to play quarterback.
Speaker 8: The reason why I'm a little bit lower on him,
Speaker 8: I gave him a late second early third round grade,
Speaker 8: is simply because I don't know if he's got that
Speaker 8: crazy arm talent to be able to compete against the
Speaker 8: Lamar Jackson's, the Josh Allens, the Patrick Mahomes, guys like that.
Speaker 8: That The reason why you would draft a quarterback isn't
Speaker 8: in the top ten, isn't just because hey, let's take
Speaker 8: one just because we need one. It's because you want
Speaker 8: to win a Super Bowl. You're taking a guy that
Speaker 8: high because you believe he can win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 8: Does Shudor have the overall arm talent the matchup against
Speaker 8: those guys.
Speaker 7: I don't think so.
Speaker 8: And I think as we are getting you know, more
Speaker 8: into draft season and the combines a really good barometer
Speaker 8: for this, you get sort of caught up on what
Speaker 8: the league might have been thinking about these players really
Speaker 8: all along. And I think we talked about it to
Speaker 8: QB Race because there's so many quarterback needy teams in
Speaker 8: the top ten.
Speaker 7: But it just feels like teams.
Speaker 8: Are much more gravitating towards cam Ward worthy of a
Speaker 8: top selection and Shador maybe something more on Day two
Speaker 8: or the late first round.
Speaker 2: But how much of this is the last name that
Speaker 2: if this is just you know, Should or Smith and
Speaker 2: not Should or Sanders, you know, does his draft status
Speaker 2: stock change at all? In your mind?
Speaker 8: I would say that it would probably be the other
Speaker 8: way around. You know, when you look at Shador and
Speaker 8: I understand how well he played over the last couple
Speaker 8: of years and everything that he was able to do
Speaker 8: at Jackson State and then also at Colorado, I think, again,
Speaker 8: he plays a very clean brand of football, But does
Speaker 8: he have those NFL level traits that you want as
Speaker 8: a franchise caliber quarterback, because he lacks the overall mobility.
Speaker 8: And again, I think that he's got a mid tier
Speaker 8: NFL level arm strength, but it's nothing that's really special.
Speaker 8: So I wonder if it's the opposite VP, and I
Speaker 8: wonder if it's the fact that, hey, we've been talking
Speaker 8: about Shador in the top ten, in the top five
Speaker 8: because of sort of who he is and the notoriety
Speaker 8: that he has, instead of the other way around, like
Speaker 8: we're seeing now where it's like, oh, well, does the
Speaker 8: NFL not like him, you know, because of his last name,
Speaker 8: and some people call it baggage. I agree with Shador
Speaker 8: when he said at the Shrine, boy, He's like, I
Speaker 8: didn't know that having a supportive parent was all of
Speaker 8: a sudden a bad thing, you know, Like I totally
Speaker 8: agree with him when he says that. And so I
Speaker 8: think it's much more of maybe the notorieting him being
Speaker 8: in the public eye and us saying like, hey, if
Speaker 8: you need a quarterback, he's a quarterback in this class
Speaker 8: and now we're just sort of catching up to it
Speaker 8: feels like the NFL saying maybe not quite in the
Speaker 8: top ten, maybe something a little bit further down the line.
Speaker 2: And he's going to get a lot of attention because
Speaker 2: he's Dion Son. And then there's cam Ward, who is
Speaker 2: appears to be by far and away the number one
Speaker 2: quarterback in the draft. Let's nitpick, because that's what we
Speaker 2: start to do this time of the year. Trevor nitpick
Speaker 2: cam Ward.
Speaker 8: Well, I think that you know Joe Shane, the general
Speaker 8: manager of the New York Giants, who they very much
Speaker 8: need a quarterback as well. You know, he was asked
Speaker 8: specifically about cam Ward when he was at his podium
Speaker 8: session at the Combine, and you know, he said, you know, hey,
Speaker 8: you watch that col game, in that Virginia Tech game.
Speaker 8: Those are two games where at the end of it,
Speaker 8: when the clock heads zero, cam Ward, what a hero
Speaker 8: incredible comeback. But then he goes the reason why they
Speaker 8: needed to come back is also because of him a
Speaker 8: little bit. So it is a little bit of that
Speaker 8: hot and cold there. And so there's no doubt, I mean,
Speaker 8: like you don't need to even necessarily call it nitpicking
Speaker 8: to talk about what is the total product of cam Ward.
Speaker 8: He's somebody who is just very unorthodox and how he
Speaker 8: looks back there in the pocket. I mean, there are
Speaker 8: times when the feat just stop moving completely and you go,
Speaker 8: did you freeze? Like do we need to you know,
Speaker 8: unplug you and reset you here before you get rid
Speaker 8: of the ball, And like that's just sometimes what it
Speaker 8: looks like for Cam Warden. So his style, you know,
Speaker 8: how he releases the football, the decisions of when to
Speaker 8: push the ball down the field, all of that, it's
Speaker 8: a little bit boom or bust. You know, it's a
Speaker 8: little bit of like can you stomach this? But the
Speaker 8: reason why I do, and the reason why he's my
Speaker 8: QB one is because I firmly believe that in a
Speaker 8: game where the margins are so small, every quarterback in
Speaker 8: the NFL has about two to four throws that they
Speaker 8: have to make every single week to win in this league.
Speaker 8: Cam Nordon not only, in my opinion, has the arm
Speaker 8: talent to do so, but he has the mentality to
Speaker 8: do so. He will willingly attack those throws and take
Speaker 8: those chances. So it's a lot of that. Hey, there's
Speaker 8: a lot of good, a lot of bad. You want
Speaker 8: to try to raise the floor with them. But yeah,
Speaker 8: I mean, we don't even necessarily have to call it nitpicking.
Speaker 8: This is sort of a risky quarterback class here, including
Speaker 8: with Ward.
Speaker 2: Trevor Sikima, the Pro Football Focus lead draft analyst, joining
Speaker 2: us on the program. Ye, if you looked at Sam
Speaker 2: Donald's profile now compared to when he was coming into
Speaker 2: the NFL, how much has it changed with Pro Football
Speaker 2: Focus looking.
Speaker 7: At him now, It's a lot. And it's a lot
Speaker 7: of dealing with pressure.
Speaker 8: Honestly, you know, what he was able to do at USC,
Speaker 8: I think that that short sort of shows that, you know,
Speaker 8: when you're in a really good college environment, sometimes that
Speaker 8: can mask things, right. We saw that with Zach Wilson
Speaker 8: as well, where at BYU he's playing behind one of
Speaker 8: the best offensive lines in the country, and then he
Speaker 8: gets to the New York Jets. Both of those guys, ironically,
Speaker 8: and it's just a different story. You're playing with a
Speaker 8: lot of pressure.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 8: There's the phrase that everybody likes to, you know, continue
Speaker 8: to bring up with Sam Donald, where he felt like
Speaker 8: he was seeing ghosts and it just it took him
Speaker 8: a while to get to this point where he's now
Speaker 8: confident enough to not see ghosts anymore, to really be
Speaker 8: able to play under pressure the way that he needs
Speaker 8: to now. I know those last two games of the
Speaker 8: season sort of brought back some of those doubts from him.
Speaker 8: But you know, at PFF, it was really that passing
Speaker 8: grade under pressure that was such a sticking point with
Speaker 8: him when he was with the Jets and how different
Speaker 8: it was under Kevin O'Connell and in that system. Now
Speaker 8: did O'Connell do a nice job of making it maybe
Speaker 8: easier for him, of course, but that manifests itself in confidence,
Speaker 8: and that's the most important thing for every player making
Speaker 8: the jump from college to the NFL. When can you
Speaker 8: expect that confidence? And I think that's a big part
Speaker 8: of when teams do these player interviews and when they
Speaker 8: get these guys in for these private workouts, it's simply
Speaker 8: determined because they've watched the tape, they know the scouting reports.
Speaker 8: It's simply determining, are you a confident football player? Can
Speaker 8: you hit the ground running and still bring all of
Speaker 8: your talent to the floor here when you get here
Speaker 8: in the NFL? And for Sam that wasn't the case
Speaker 8: early on, but sometimes it takes a little bit of
Speaker 8: development from these guys.
Speaker 2: How many running backs have first round grades at Pro
Speaker 2: football focus.
Speaker 8: So I would say two of them have first round
Speaker 8: grades in Ashton Genty and Omari and Hampton. But I
Speaker 8: could see, yeah, after the combine that Queen Shawn Jenkins
Speaker 8: had from Ohio State, I think he is in that category.
Speaker 8: You know, Caleb Johnson, I know a lot of people
Speaker 8: love him from Iowa. I think that he is in
Speaker 8: that category. The running back that I am the most
Speaker 8: confused with is did we just forget what Cam's Gadibo
Speaker 8: did at Arizona State over this past year. Like I understand,
Speaker 8: he's not going to run the fastest forty yard dash,
Speaker 8: but even at the combine, the one thing he did
Speaker 8: was the vertical jump and it was thirty nine and
Speaker 8: a half inches. That is well above expectation and showcases
Speaker 8: that explosive this. I mean we even saw in the
Speaker 8: College Football Playoff. He's rushing for touchdowns, he's catching touchdowns,
Speaker 8: he's throwing for touchdowns.
Speaker 7: This is a football player, man.
Speaker 8: And from the running back position, I think that we
Speaker 8: just we sometimes focus on the wrong things. How often
Speaker 8: do you really have the chance to be a quote
Speaker 8: unquote home run hitter at the running back position? How
Speaker 8: many times do you get the chance to run a
Speaker 8: forty to fifty sixty yard game to the house doesn't
Speaker 8: happen at the NFL level. Give me the guys that
Speaker 8: will turn a three yard carry into a four and
Speaker 8: a half yard carry on a regular basis with that
Speaker 8: yards after contact in that style. So I don't think
Speaker 8: that camp Scatabo is going to go in round one,
Speaker 8: but that's another player that we're going to get a
Speaker 8: lot of these running backs that go on the fringe
Speaker 8: or early parts in a round two.
Speaker 7: I mentioned Caleb Johnson Scattaboo.
Speaker 8: I think that Traveon Henderson is in there as well,
Speaker 8: a couple of guys who had good combines, and DJ
Speaker 8: Giddens and RJ Harvey might get there in the back
Speaker 8: of the second round. So I would tell you we're
Speaker 8: getting at least two they get the least Ashing gent
Speaker 8: and O Marion Hampton are getting in the first round,
Speaker 8: but could very well have that third if it's Quineawn Jenkins.
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you as always, Trevor, thanks for
Speaker 2: joining us.
Speaker 7: Appreciate a DP any time.
Speaker 2: That's Trevor Sickman