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Speaker 1: Sean and I assigned with the New York Mets. Trade

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Speaker 1: rumors are flying, Dylan sees Heyesus Lizardo, Masa, Taka Yashida,

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Speaker 1: and more. Chris Sale traded to the Braves. Let's go

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Speaker 1: ahead and talk about it.

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Speaker 2: What is up? Mets fans? Welcome back to another.

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Speaker 3: Episode of The Mets the Podcast again all by ourselves,

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Speaker 1: gotten over the last few episodes. Crazy good stuff. And

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about Sean and Iyah. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about some trade rumors because there have been some big

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Speaker 2: James, how are we feeling, dude, feeling good.

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Speaker 3: Shaw Mayah move is I think exciting to a degree,

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Speaker 3: maybe not as exciting as some people have made out

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Speaker 2: It's a good thing. Right now.

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Speaker 3: The rotation got stronger, got deeper, and got a little

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess we're gonna just talk about Shan

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Speaker 1: on social media in terms of what he could be

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Speaker 1: to this team because it's the Mets, because it's the Mets,

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Speaker 1: and because we want to feel excited as Mets fans

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Speaker 1: about something going on this off season because relatively speaking,

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Speaker 1: these none of these guys are big names. None of

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Speaker 1: these guys are particularly difference makers. But we've said it

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Speaker 3: I think that term difference maker might be being misconstrued

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Speaker 3: I think I think that a team that you want

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Speaker 3: So this is a difference maker in regular season stance.

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Speaker 3: Those same Jordan Montgomery games again, I'm going away on

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Speaker 1: Difference maker, difference maker we're talking about like you sign

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Speaker 3: I think the bottom line of the Mets team did

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Speaker 1: It doesn't raise it as much as it could of

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Speaker 2: You're paying for the next one, not the one before.

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Speaker 3: So a lot of people have been throwing out all

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you were telling me a story before we

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Speaker 3: Totally great article from last spring training just before the

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three season by Andrew Baggerley, a great writer

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Speaker 3: But and Jelly, both of them just got back to

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Speaker 3: more confident using it. But when he was only using

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Speaker 3: in the bullpen compared to rotation, because sweepers don't perform

438
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Speaker 3: well against here's the opposide of the plane, especially when

439
00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,280
Speaker 3: they see them multiple times. Another huge fact about Manaia

440
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Speaker 3: last year. I think he only completed five innings seven

441
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Speaker 3: times the whole season checks and he only faced forty

442
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Speaker 3: three hitters the third time through the oarder of the

443
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Speaker 3: whole year, and that's a small sample, means nothing, but

444
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Speaker 3: the era was nine and hits averages with three hundred

445
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Speaker 3: that third time through the oil there.

446
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're gonna I mean, we're gonna have games

447
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Speaker 1: this year where Sean and I is gonna have like

448
00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,480
Speaker 1: a no hitter through four and then like Ronda Kunya

449
00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,960
Speaker 1: and Austin Ryle are gonna bedu up, get this the

450
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Speaker 1: guy the fuck out of the game. Hopefully they're doing

451
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Speaker 1: that right, That's what I want.

452
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Speaker 3: But truthfully, and again, that would be good process. Like

453
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Speaker 3: I think that Mets fans are just dying for this

454
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Speaker 3: to be, like here's our five man rotation and here's

455
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Speaker 3: what gonna happen. But it seems like this signing as

456
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Speaker 3: well as some of the other things are happening saw

457
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Speaker 3: season as well as like keeping Jose boot On and

458
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Speaker 3: Tyler McGill I got nice. I think it's gonna be

459
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Speaker 3: a little more modern deployment of these pitchers, like Sean

460
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Speaker 3: and I is probably Guyho's not gonna see the third

461
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Speaker 3: time to the other unless he's able to use that

462
00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,440
Speaker 3: slider and sweeper together effectively to where the sweepers getting

463
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Speaker 3: lefties once in a while against Riley's the change up

464
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Speaker 3: in the gyroslider used against both and the fastball is

465
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Speaker 3: getting his both sides to play that, which I think

466
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Speaker 3: it can fastball and great results last year with some

467
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Speaker 3: extra armside fade and more velocity, a really good, really

468
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Speaker 3: good pitch last year was but it's he's like he's

469
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Speaker 3: such a tweener, which is where that money comes from again,

470
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Speaker 3: like where all his other contracts are, Like, is a

471
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Speaker 3: tweener kind of guy, and that's why he's pay that And.

472
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Speaker 1: It totally feels like something that the Giants did last

473
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Speaker 1: year was they split him with Tony Disco Anthei.

474
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Speaker 2: Descliffani for those you at home, and I don't know nicknames.

475
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Speaker 1: But like Tony Disco or him would start go one time,

476
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Speaker 1: maybe one and a half times through the lineup, yeah,

477
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Speaker 1: and then they'd switch it because Tony Disco's alrighty manaia

478
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Speaker 1: obviously a lefty.

479
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Speaker 3: So this gir, if I'm not mistaken, has a curve

480
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Speaker 3: balls his most used secondary pitch.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna lean to you on that one. I don't

482
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Speaker 2: know what his pitches are.

483
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Speaker 1: Those guys like kind of piggybacking off each other where

484
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Speaker 1: you're getting two pitchers to basically give you one quality start,

485
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Speaker 1: which is kind of I'm not gonna say we can

486
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Speaker 1: expect that from the Mets, but we wouldn't be surprised

487
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Speaker 1: or else. I think we both wouldn't be surprised if

488
00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,879
Speaker 1: you see like a Manaya Budo or a Maniah McGill

489
00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,000
Speaker 1: or maybe even like maybe Mike Vassel gets called up

490
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Speaker 1: and this is how you ease him into the rotation.

491
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Speaker 1: Maybe it's how you ease Christian Scott into the rotation.

492
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Speaker 1: Or of these prospect guys could piggyback off Manaiah or

493
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Speaker 1: be the opener and the Mania comes in for a

494
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Speaker 1: little more length.

495
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Speaker 2: Whatever that is.

496
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Speaker 1: I think the Mets this gives them a little leeway

497
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Speaker 1: to be created. Maybe he does it with Severino sometimes,

498
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Speaker 1: who knows. Like I think, like you said, it's gonna

499
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Speaker 1: be very modern with how the Mets seem to be

500
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Speaker 1: approaching pitching, which is probably gonna drive ninety five percent

501
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Speaker 1: of Mets fans absolutely fucking crazy because like, again, you're

502
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Speaker 1: gonna have like the no hitter through three and I

503
00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,040
Speaker 1: can't believe they pulled them. And sometimes it's gonna work,

504
00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:43,639
Speaker 1: sometimes it's not. But I think at the end of

505
00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,440
Speaker 1: the day, you gotta know what the process with these guys,

506
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Speaker 1: like like a guy like Manaia, the realistic chance that

507
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Speaker 1: he's gonna go six innings and be as effective as

508
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Speaker 1: he was in the first three just unlikely.

509
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Speaker 3: Especially given again like the limitations of pitch makes and

510
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Speaker 3: just how the fact that he's just not like a

511
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Speaker 3: ceiling kind of so the more times hither see him,

512
00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,359
Speaker 3: especially when his primary secondary pitch is going to be

513
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Speaker 3: a pitch that rightleys are going to look like a

514
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Speaker 3: beach balls them a second third time through the order.

515
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Speaker 3: In fact, the Giants sheltered him from that, and the

516
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Speaker 3: fact that I don't know even projections like still love him.

517
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Speaker 3: And again he has a long time, long career now

518
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Speaker 3: where he's been pretty good most of the time.

519
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we're talking about like he had the

520
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Speaker 1: hype in Oakland as someone who was like a good

521
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Speaker 1: pitcher be a step, could never stay healthy, waiting for

522
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Speaker 1: that next step and they thought San Diego was going

523
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Speaker 1: to be that and it didn't happen, and that kind

524
00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:28,200
Speaker 1: of calmed down a little bit.

525
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Speaker 2: Like the expectation or the.

526
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Speaker 3: I don't want to say prospect is not that anymore,

527
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Speaker 3: but like the idea of what he could be kind

528
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Speaker 3: of knocked it down a little bit, but doesn't mean

529
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Speaker 3: that he still can't be a very solid pitcher for

530
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Speaker 3: this team totally. And I think that's kind of what

531
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Speaker 3: this is. Like projections love him right now. The steering

532
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Speaker 3: projections have him in less than a four RA if

533
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Speaker 3: the one hundred and fifty inns and like almost ten strikeouts

534
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Speaker 3: for nine, Like that's a great picture there, But that's

535
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Speaker 3: the thing also where the expectation should lie. A guy

536
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Speaker 3: who's a bout of four RA for about one hundred

537
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Speaker 3: and fifty inx like good year.

538
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Speaker 2: Goodyear ends up below it, Yeah, bad year ends up

539
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Speaker 2: in the fives. So he's saying yeah.

540
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Speaker 3: And also like that innings limit I think is the

541
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Speaker 3: important thing right now because we're just seeing so many

542
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Speaker 3: few pictures a year over year, even cross that threshold,

543
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Speaker 3: we're seeing more six meritations, We're seeing more alleys that

544
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Speaker 3: are less than six innings. We're seeing more guys Nazi

545
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Speaker 3: the order for a third time. So we as fans,

546
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Speaker 3: I think, have to kind of readirect like how we

547
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Speaker 3: think of our brains in terms of pictures, Like same

548
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Speaker 3: thing with even just effctness last year league why the

549
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Speaker 3: RA is about four to three? Yeah, so Shauman and

550
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Speaker 3: I a is a four point oh ERA. That's a

551
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Speaker 3: great year by better than league average, bar way better

552
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Speaker 3: th league average. That's like a third of run bet

553
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Speaker 3: than league average. That is incredible. So I think that

554
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Speaker 3: is kind of where we have to recalibrate as fans,

555
00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,800
Speaker 3: even just as like analyst podcasters here, but like what

556
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Speaker 3: is good, especially for what the money he's getting, Like

557
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Speaker 3: there is some ceiling on that, but the ceiling on

558
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Speaker 3: that is like a three five vr FO one hundred

559
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Speaker 3: and sixty innings.

560
00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:39,240
Speaker 2: Is also that's a huge ceiling there.

561
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Speaker 1: Is also so funny because when you think about it,

562
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Speaker 1: like it's projecting how many earned runs do you give

563
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Speaker 1: up over nine innings, and now that no one goes

564
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Speaker 1: nine innings anymore, it's like a little bit starting to

565
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Speaker 1: become outdated. And for a guy like Manaya, like having

566
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Speaker 1: a four VRA that's what like two or three runs

567
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Speaker 1: in five innings. Yeah, like that's that's a great start.

568
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Speaker 1: We get that out of Seaanman and I every five days,

569
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Speaker 1: we're ecstatic.

570
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Speaker 2: You just got to hoop.

571
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Speaker 3: The bullpen holds down the team hits, which they are

572
00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,359
Speaker 3: more than capable of doing. And I think again, ERA

573
00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,320
Speaker 3: contextually is always gonna be a team stat. If your

574
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Speaker 3: team is better everyone, your team's arrays are gonna be

575
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Speaker 3: lower because that means that you're leaving the Taylor's. The

576
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Speaker 3: pitchers are stranding more people on base, your defense is

577
00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,320
Speaker 3: playing better, You're getting a little bit luckier at the

578
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Speaker 3: end of the day. Array a lot of ra has

579
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Speaker 3: doe with luck always and kind of the ballpark you

580
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,159
Speaker 3: play in too, luckily for the Mets is a big one,

581
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 3: so most mess pitchers era's will be supressed, specially once

582
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Speaker 3: you get to a big enough sample. So I think

583
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,680
Speaker 3: that's kind of part of discussion too. But like I

584
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Speaker 3: I definitely pause Mets fans to be like, this is

585
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Speaker 3: like the signing with upside, like this is the.

586
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Speaker 2: Guy who can save the day? I severno is that one?

587
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 2: Severn kind of is that one?

588
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:34,720
Speaker 3: He's actually the guy was stealing He's and that's why

589
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,280
Speaker 3: you pay these guys the same matter, Like one guy's

590
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,360
Speaker 3: gonna give us some volume. One guy we're taking a shot.

591
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Speaker 3: And this is exactly very openly what candidly with the

592
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Speaker 3: Mess said they were kind of gonna do coming into

593
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Speaker 3: this offseason. We're like, we want maybe two or three

594
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Speaker 3: pitchers here, and we want we're gonna take them. Gonna

595
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Speaker 3: look different a little bit, and that's different severinom and

596
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Speaker 3: I even the way that once a arriety runs are

597
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,000
Speaker 3: lefty one throws up here and one throws down here,

598
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Speaker 3: Like it's all very different, very different kinds of pitches,

599
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Speaker 3: but now with a rotation at least feels somewhat complete,

600
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Speaker 3: competent and like can get through one sixty two.

601
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Speaker 1: I feel like to anger some people with here, but like,

602
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:06,399
Speaker 1: for as not exciting as this offseason has been, name wise,

603
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 1: it's been kind of fun. It's been kind of fun

604
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Speaker 1: with like where the Mets are looking. These are all

605
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Speaker 1: things that if you've been listening to us for years,

606
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Speaker 1: things that we had been begging the Mets, like process,

607
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 1: we want the good players around guys like these tots,

608
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Speaker 1: like this is how you can build like a sneaky

609
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Speaker 1: good team. And I don't think and I again tempering expectations.

610
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Speaker 2: Big time.

611
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 1: Mets are at best of the third team, the third

612
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Speaker 1: best team in the National League Geese right now, like

613
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Speaker 1: the Phillies and Braves are still steps ahead of them.

614
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Speaker 2: It's not close.

615
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Speaker 3: You know. It's funny some of the projection systems are

616
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Speaker 3: coming out, the main one being zips On Fangrafs actually

617
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Speaker 3: has the Mets and the Phillies right now like the same.

618
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Speaker 2: Really both of them, like eighty three.

619
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Speaker 3: I can also understand why they would hate the Phillies

620
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Speaker 3: because they are just like bad defense bats, two pitchers,

621
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Speaker 3: home run reliant, like if they don't hit home runs,

622
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 3: they're not scoring runs total. But we also have seen

623
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Speaker 3: the Phillies for a couple of years now, and as

624
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Speaker 3: much as I hate them, I get down really good.

625
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, try to tell you that a few years ago.

626
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Speaker 3: It's also just part of like now a getting broadly

627
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Speaker 3: discussion of like what this Mets team is and like

628
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Speaker 3: this something else gonna piss off some Mets fans, like

629
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Speaker 3: the Mets have had one of the most active offseasons.

630
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Speaker 2: Team in the league.

631
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Speaker 3: Literally like we've turned over it. We've turned over this

632
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 3: roster so hardcore. This is like what ten new players

633
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 3: in the forty man in the last month and a half,

634
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 3: like we name them. Most teams don't do this in

635
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 3: regular Offsene this, this is a big undertaking for David Sterns.

636
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 3: Right now in the base people gonna be like, oh,

637
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 3: these guys still fucking work for the Mets. No, we're

638
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 3: just like giving some credit because there was a lot

639
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 3: of changes that need to happen.

640
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 2: The depth of this roster was depleted. There was not

641
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 2: much there. There wasn't. It wasn't.

642
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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about, like, imagine, imagine the idea of

643
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Speaker 1: like someone listening to this and be like, oh, they

644
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 1: still love the Mets.

645
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 2: Is like, guys, they don't. They got rid of us.

646
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 3: We should hate them, killed us, We should hate them.

647
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Speaker 1: We should be like, wow, we could talk shit right now,

648
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: and we're like, we don't want to.

649
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 2: This team is interesting, like these are good moves and

650
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 2: it's not.

651
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Speaker 3: I don't think this team is really as bad as

652
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Speaker 3: people make it out to be right now. I'd rather

653
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 3: people think it's bad though. Oh I don't want expectations.

654
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 3: I'm done with expectations. I'm almost done with good players.

655
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 3: We have too many of those. Last fear no more

656
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 3: good players, no more expectations. Just want to play some ball,

657
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 3: frisky fun, be around five hundred and make a move,

658
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 3: go on a run, play some defense, get the clutch hit.

659
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a baseball year. It's gonna be this.

660
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 2: This is really for people. There's gonna be people love

661
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 2: baseball year. That's gonna be our saying.

662
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 3: I think this this year's gotta love ball, gotta love

663
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 3: ball to watch this team because they're not gonna be

664
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 3: particularly exciting.

665
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 2: But wow, they're gonna it's gonna play. It's gonna be scrappy.

666
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 3: You're like saying it is, like I'm gonna put How's

667
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 3: it gonna be as goods he was last year.

668
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 2: It's gonna be impossible. He was so good and if

669
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,719
Speaker 2: he is, he's leaving the next year. He's gonna take

670
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 2: that opt out.

671
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, he doesn't have an opt outs investing opt out.

672
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 3: Sang has to reach four hundred pitch over this first

673
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 3: three years with the team to get there. I won

674
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:26,239
Speaker 3: sixty last year.

675
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 2: Okay, so he.

676
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 3: Needs about one hundred and forty or two hundred and

677
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 3: forty over the next two years to actually be able

678
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 3: to opt out. So maybe that's another reason the Met's

679
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 3: go with like a six man rotation with like kinds

680
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 3: of piggybacking stuff. Maybe screw up a little bit, but

681
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 3: I don't think they're gonna do that. I'm never gonna

682
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 3: say that. But again, there's also like a Tommy John

683
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 3: Clause Inkolai sang his contract. He's a guy who had

684
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 3: major injury because the current concerns coming from Japan, so

685
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 3: right now, him being lynchpint to this rotation is by

686
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 3: far the most worriesome thing about this team. I will

687
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 3: say that that who made that graphic on Twitter that

688
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 3: you saw that like had the mes projected rotation and

689
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 3: it was code I sang, and then the rest for

690
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 3: puke face, it was a guy because he's the gills

691
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 3: or the glids. He's a really good, high stakes, fancy

692
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 3: baseball player.

693
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that was very funny.

694
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 3: But like I think to the out, like if you

695
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 3: don't dive deep into it, just at the service level,

696
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 3: Like I totally get that disgusting pukes, totally get it.

697
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 3: So I think as you dive deeper into you can

698
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 3: start to at least understand what the Mets are thinking,

699
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 3: what the process is.

700
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's pretty brewersish.

701
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's very pretty brewers Ish, pretty Besser, the Brewers,

702
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 3: the mess of the Brewers. But they have a thirty

703
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 3: four million dollars short stop, of twenty million dollars for

704
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 3: his basement, twenty million dollars center fielder, and a twenty

705
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 3: million dollar closer. Yes, great, yeah, great, those buse teams

706
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 3: will been awesome with that.

707
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: And I'll seees in twenty eighteen.

708
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and then Chase Anderson, Wade, Miley, Jolie's chasin Yeah.

709
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: Brandon Woodruff eventually became in that starting rotation as a rookie.

710
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 2: Peralta was a swingman, like a two winning, three inning guy.

711
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 3: It's gonna be weird. It's gonna be weird. It's gonna

712
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 3: be a funny adventure to be fun.

713
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

714
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be fine. I think the team's fine.

715
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 3: Like I was, just like, tickets are gonna be cheap. Yeah,

716
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 3: you're gonna be able to go to some weekday games

717
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 3: like against the Brewers, and it's gonna be like free.

718
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 3: I like he won with the Brewers again there, yeah,

719
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 3: but again, like this team isn't sexy, This team isn't

720
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 3: like exhilarating. But this team is now and has a

721
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 3: forty man roster that's competitive in Major League base Ball landscape,

722
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 3: which is good enough for me.

723
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 2: Have we filled up the forty men now? It is?

724
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 2: I think full.

725
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 3: I think someone actually has to officially get cut from

726
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 3: an eye to the.

727
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 2: Official yet he hasn't been official. He's not been officially

728
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 2: yet yet. Ah was he?

729
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 1: I don't think he was because there's not a video

730
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: on the YouTube channels.

731
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, it's true.

732
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: I think I feel like, even though we're obviously not

733
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: with him anymore, we're still kind of connected in a

734
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: way where we know what's going on. And I don't

735
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: think I've seen anything official unless it's happened in the

736
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: last two hours.

737
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 3: The last couple of tweets for the Mets. They're casting

738
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 3: for their first hip.

739
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: Hop hype team and that's where our money went.

740
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 3: National Bibblehead Day Lock in your tickets twenty twenty four.

741
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 2: More Bibblehead giveaways.

742
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 3: Harrison Bather no birthdays, No birthdays today a couple of

743
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 3: retweets from Harrison Bay. Yeah, so Shrum and I would

744
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 3: fill up the forty man roster was filled up with Baither,

745
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 3: but I took that last bot.

746
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 2: Someone from the forty men will get cut in. Yeah,

747
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 2: I mean it's gonna be someone probably in sees.

748
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 3: I mean, like the forty man rosters full, but Mets

749
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,479
Speaker 3: still have a lot of junk on there that they

750
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 3: can parse through.

751
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 2: Phil Bickford.

752
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 3: Phil Bakeford's going in this rotation. Fastball properties are good

753
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 3: enough to pitching the major leagues. I'm not giving up

754
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 3: on Philly.

755
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about now some of these rumors

756
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: have been swirling. It was twenty five minutes. How do

757
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 2: we do that?

758
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: Because we're sick in the fucking head cool love podcast, yep.

759
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 2: Selm and I have twenty five minutes.

760
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 3: Oh my god, we've been held back for a year

761
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 3: and a half of being able to talk about this.

762
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think now that we've had the opportunity,

763
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: we're excited.

764
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,479
Speaker 3: That was crazy sean long run around the league, ten

765
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes here Chris sale Tray.

766
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: I think first thing with no chronological super interesting.

767
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 3: Brave's got a guy who I think pitched a lot

768
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 3: better than people realized last year, has a lot of

769
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 3: ceiling and it kind of just gives them the strategy of, like,

770
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 3: we don't care, Like this is kind of the opposite

771
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 3: now when you're in a different stage of team building

772
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 3: as the Meso Sean Manya, like braves are comfortable, they

773
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 3: have their volume.

774
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: They're also gonna score eight runs a game. Totally.

775
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 3: Now we want our ceiling. We if Chris Sale throws

776
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: like seventy five innings the regular season, they probably really

777
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 3: do not care. We want him healthy on October first

778
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 3: to maybe pitch four or five innings and divisional series

779
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 3: in a game.

780
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: That's it.

781
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: And with that extension, we want them healthy for twenty

782
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: twenty five as well, one hundred percent.

783
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 3: So I think that is kind of a move where

784
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 3: like that's kind of when you're at that stage of

785
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 3: team building, you could do that, similar to where the

786
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 3: Rangers kind of realized they were last year with Evaldi

787
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 3: and Jacob Degromler, Like, if both these guys are healthy,

788
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 3: we're gonna win the World Series. If one of these

789
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 3: guys are healthy, we might win the World Series, and

790
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 3: that's exactly what happens. So that's kind of you could

791
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 3: tip your cap to a team that's like much closer

792
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 3: to a contention than that, similar to the Dodgers with

793
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 3: glass A. Similar to the Dodgers next week, what happened

794
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 3: task Gernandez, But just also briefly like this Braves conversation

795
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 3: kind of goes into like where the Mets are another

796
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 3: trade rumors, the fact that they were hot on the

797
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 3: case for Dylan Ce's and very clear they offered von

798
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 3: Grissom and very clearly the White Sox said does not enough,

799
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 3: but he was enough for Chris Sale kind of just

800
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 3: talks about where where they are right now in terms

801
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 3: of like how much pitching costs in this market, free

802
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 3: agents and trades, and they're in of their own right,

803
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 3: but interesting trade. I think Grisom is a great spot

804
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: for him in Boston. But Braves did get better. Yeah, No,

805
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 3: they definitely did get better. Their rotation is super high

806
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 3: variance though, but I think.

807
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: But you want that, No, of course, No, I'm not

808
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:42,239
Speaker 2: disagreeing with you.

809
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: There's just like there's the concerns that you have with

810
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: them are real with their quotation.

811
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: But if the.

812
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 3: Stuff hits, wow, and even wow, even if it doesn't

813
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 3: hit until like September nineteen, Yeah, well yeah, they're amazing

814
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 3: to get there. We don't care like we can count

815
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 3: on free we can count astry either, we can give

816
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 3: more than one four.

817
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: This was when a Counya wasn't playing. I'm saying I

818
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 2: don't even need him. He can't. Yeah, he's not a winner,

819
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 2: not a team player. He's not a winner.

820
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 3: But yeah, they're gonna bring up Hrson Waldroup this year.

821
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 3: He's gonna be awesome for no reason.

822
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 1: God, that one's so frustrating. He was so because we

823
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: know I do a lot of draft stuff on the

824
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: back end. I'm like Hurst of Waldrope is the guy

825
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: that everyone should be drafted in terms of picture. I've

826
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: been money with pictures weirdly in the draft. Yeah, very good.

827
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: I just love the tracks.

828
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 3: Was so even like the RESI I was gonna miss

829
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 3: the playffs with the Grissell are gonna miss the playoffs

830
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 3: without Ris.

831
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: Sale And it's just like money. They don't have to

832
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: pay him.

833
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,479
Speaker 3: And now they just got like six years of control

834
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 3: on someone who's gonna play perfectly in their ballpark.

835
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 2: My contact, right handed hit, They're awesome. Twenty homers, twenty

836
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 2: doubles off that green Mont too. Aighty's gonna be gonna be.

837
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 2: They're gonna love.

838
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: He can play left field with his little baby arm

839
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: and throw the ball like sixty five shortstop cut off

840
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: the little baby.

841
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: Ar'm so cute, little litt hunger.

842
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 3: I'm trying play shortstop. Could have ever guessed that was

843
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 3: not gonna work. But I think it goes to show

844
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 3: where the Mets are in these trade negotiations, and where

845
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 3: would you have to give up for a guy like

846
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 3: Dylan we're gonna talk about now, even are they're gonna

847
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 3: talk about now, Where someone who has hit really well

848
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 3: in the major leagues but not fielded well and still

849
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 3: had prospects shining on him could not get one of those. Yeah,

850
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 3: you had to go get the guy who was old

851
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 3: and not going to give you volume.

852
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Christill was what like thirty two.

853
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 3: Thirty five now thirty four, thirty four.

854
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: He's old. I thought it was a snake. He's still

855
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: younger than we thought. Thirty four exactly, thirty four on

856
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 2: the hell good call, good gold, James, well done. You

857
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: know numbers, No, you know ages, not numbers.

858
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 3: I know ages on pictures, I know handedness of hithers.

859
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 3: I know pitch mixes, and that's kind of that's a

860
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 3: bad it.

861
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 2: Ye. I don't know how what way a pitcher throws,

862
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: though Lefty righty relief. Sometimes I don't.

863
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 3: It's crazy so much more for Hithers Nuts that you

864
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: don't know the pitching side of it, especially because you're

865
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 3: the pitching whispers. Nevertheless, let's talk about these other pictures now. First,

866
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 3: Dylan c sen hys Buzzar though Cease is a guy

867
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 3: that has been linked to the Mets. Maybe the min

868
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 3: and I think threw some cold water on it. A

869
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 3: lot of the riders and stuff are saying that it's

870
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 3: much less likely now Von Grison was enough to get him.

871
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 3: Sees a guy who had one incredible year as a picture. Yes,

872
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 3: great prospect originally came over to the White Sox in

873
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 3: the Eloi Menez trade. Josekintana also I'm called elo Jimenez trade,

874
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 3: but yeah, went over in that trade across town Chicago,

875
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 3: one incredible year and goes twenty nineteen, twenty twenty one one.

876
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 3: We just want the best pitcher in baseball. Cion candidate

877
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: lights out, No could touch him. Fastball goes throws hard

878
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: Slyler's great. Some people have always thrown cold Waller and

879
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 3: my guy Nick Pollock from Pitcherless has really never believed

880
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 3: in his stuff with all kind of things that one

881
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 3: year was the outlier, really, and it kind of seems

882
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 3: like that now. But like it feels very obvious that

883
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 3: White Sox team that hasn't really invested much in the

884
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: pitch develpment or pitch design for computers or yeah, anology,

885
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 3: now your first year they're going to so I think

886
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 3: that means, yeah, Chris guests Brian Banister means it probably

887
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 3: is more ceiling on Dylan Sea's I think the Mets

888
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 3: to get him, I mean, you're you're gonna have to

889
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 3: give a bull out, like you said, like the Arrrison was.

890
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: Enough, not enough?

891
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: What would that even look like for the Mets, because

892
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: now we can talk about some prospects a little bit here.

893
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: I'd love to give them Kevin Parrada. Do they want

894
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: Kevin Parad?

895
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 2: I think I think.

896
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 3: Everyone now across the league is kind of a way

897
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 3: that Kevin Parrada was a little bit of the fool's

898
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 3: gold is what he is. His college swing decisions nor

899
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 3: eggs of velosses were really high grade as you always produced,

900
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 3: and that got on draft so highly, especially as a catcher,

901
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 3: people thought could definitely hold down the position defensively.

902
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: In the major leagues and I'm not gonna penalize the

903
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: Mets for taking him there because that was a year

904
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: we had the two first round picks and Parata was

905
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: like a top five projected guy and dropped like quite

906
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: a bit down to the Mets.

907
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like one of those like perceive.

908
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: Its value perceived because those kids knew that the swing

909
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 3: decisions ex of Vlassis weren't that.

910
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to say that there's not a

911
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: world Wherevin Prada doesn't come up and isn't good.

912
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: No, definitely fine, totally exists.

913
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: To be fair, we don't know as much probably about him,

914
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: like as necessary.

915
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 3: It's just like from what we've seen and heard, he's

916
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 3: relatively unimpressive. Yeah, I think is the word I would

917
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: he sees so far he has not beat the Kevin

918
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 3: Plucky allegations. For me, Yeah, that's what I get that

919
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 3: I gave privately just as a guy who's also a

920
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 3: great catcher in college. First round pick was a batting

921
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: champ in the minders saying, and also just so was

922
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 3: Thomas Nei though, but also has never really had either

923
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 3: the swing decisions or the raw power, which is again

924
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 3: where probably feels.

925
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: But again I don't know. So I don't know.

926
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 3: I feel like you have to start this conversation with

927
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 3: Luis hai Helakunya you think that's the guy, and then

928
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 3: you have to see if they want him, because that

929
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 3: kind of mirrors the Grisom thing a little bit, where

930
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: I'm sure a team like the White Sox who are

931
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 3: resetting everything, they're like, yeah, give me some give me

932
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 3: some prospects of high upside with with who play premium positions. Yeah,

933
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 3: and then you probably to supplement that with maybe even Prava,

934
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 3: maybe an Alex Ramirez, guys who had more shine than

935
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 3: they have right now or probably want some pitching, and

936
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 3: then probably another pitching prospect. Like that's probably the package

937
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 3: that you need to get a guy. And I just

938
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: don't think the Mets are gonna do that. But I

939
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 3: I think there's a world where Christians Gott could be

940
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 3: better than Dylan Cee's in twenty four months.

941
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: Oh. I like it's true.

942
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: I like I'm obsessed with Christian Scott right now. I

943
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 3: think he's amazing. I think he's a pitch for the

944
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 3: Mess this year. Let me down, I think all I

945
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 3: think all of these Mets pitching prospects come through a system.

946
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: Are part of the Mets decision making this offseason where

947
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 3: they want to get guys exposure in any way they

948
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 3: can in these roles that we saw Corbyn Burns, Brandon

949
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 3: woodrof for Freddy Perl to get their.

950
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: First exposure in forty to sixty pitches at the time,

951
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen Brewers.

952
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, Like, that's what I'm saying, like

953
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 3: the you don't have to bring these guys. I don't

954
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: want to see how tough you are by going into

955
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 3: the seventh inning like they always like Buckle. We used

956
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 3: to with Tyler McGill two years ago when he was

957
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: just gutting it out with no stuff.

958
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: How many times would we be at games and we're like,

959
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: if McGill ar Peterson comes out again, I'm gonna scream,

960
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: and it's like here they go, and then they give

961
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: it a walk and then they give up hip and

962
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:54,959
Speaker 1: take him out.

963
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 3: You're like, oh great, every single time at all for

964
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 3: no reason. Every time I also saw their Pierson the

965
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 3: third time at all. Right, I don't want to see

966
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 3: stats on because I know it's true, but I think

967
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: that's part of the contact right year, and then you

968
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 3: go to a guy like his Susizzar.

969
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: The first you think met trip Villan, SE's no, neither.

970
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: I loved him to be cool. Don't think they're going

971
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: to No, it doesn't seem like it.

972
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: Then his Uszzar, though, his Suszzar though has always been

973
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 3: the top prospect, he got weirdly hit by injuries, and

974
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: then a weird year in Covid where he had COVID

975
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 3: really badly and then came back and then got her

976
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 3: sick or herd again lost the whole year, really stalls development.

977
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 3: Then traded one for one for Starling Marte, one of

978
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 3: the weirder trades that we've seen happen in the last

979
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:28,959
Speaker 3: like five years of baseball.

980
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: It's a real stupid a shit.

981
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden last year he came

982
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 3: on the scene and he was the guy who was

983
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 3: always expected to be. He was throwing ninety miles and

984
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 3: how with a wicket slide there looked really good. Again,

985
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 3: He's another guy that wear that shape in the fastball

986
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 3: isn't really good. So it's all about the velocity for

987
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 3: him in his career. When he's dip below ninety five,

988
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 3: the fastball effectedness goes out the window and entire effectedness

989
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 3: goes out the window. So he's very velocity driven because

990
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 3: it's like it's a fader but not even that much

991
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 3: fade and like no hop whatsoever.

992
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: He gotta throws from an interesting arm angle of where

993
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: it's like three quarters ish, but it doesn't really allow

994
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: left it yet, lot of like zip on it, like in.

995
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: Terms of like that like a rising fastball, he doesn't

996
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 2: have that at all.

997
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 3: It's also half lefties get the in general because just

998
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 3: the release points, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, but usually

999
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 3: a lot of lefties, like Manaia's case, you kind of

1000
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 3: lean into the faith on it. Usually you want one

1001
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 3: of the two with your fastball to make it really good.

1002
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 3: Either you get the hotp but hither just swinging under it,

1003
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 3: or you get the fade and hitters aren't getting a

1004
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: barrel on it.

1005
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's kind of part of it.

1006
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 3: You either want like a you want like a lot

1007
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 3: of one of them, not really a lot of both

1008
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 3: of them, because then if you get a lot of

1009
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 3: hot ed fade, then it's just like it's you're kind of.

1010
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: Just on the bat path with Jesus Lozardo do you

1011
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: think he's gonna cost more or less than Dylancy's think

1012
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: significantly more?

1013
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: What's his control? Take a look at how long he

1014
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 2: has four more years? He has four more years.

1015
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 3: Oh, he's gonna cost a lot. That's like Jet Williams

1016
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 3: Luis on Helicunya.

1017
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: Maybe like I'm not all on the same trade, but

1018
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: we're talking about multiple upper end process like a combination

1019
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: of the including Drew Gilbert, probably Ryan Clifford as well,

1020
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: maybe a Christian's.

1021
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 3: Career age in twenty twenty seven. Yeah, this is first

1022
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 3: year of arbitrationalge billy.

1023
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: Oh, he's gonna cost an insane amount. I'm gonna like,

1024
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: there's almost no shot, there's a I'd say there's a

1025
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: negative zero percent chance that the Bets get this guy.

1026
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 3: I don't even know who would make who would have

1027
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 3: enough trade for him right now.

1028
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: The Dodgers just because they're from systems always loaded, Like

1029
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: who mess farm system can do it. We're top five.

1030
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 3: Suddenly we're gona we're gonna talk about that very soon.

1031
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 3: We're gonna do a full overlook the Mets minor league system.

1032
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 3: We'renna bring it in for you guys, Baseball America style Orioles. Yeah,

1033
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 3: but they're like they're just gon'd be a fun place

1034
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 3: to have it there. Poor true, but they're well like

1035
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 3: sort of I guess. But also all their prospects are

1036
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: the same thing. The only thing that Marlins have a

1037
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: lot of infielders who are in a lead at defense.

1038
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: For the Marlins in fielders, I mean, they just have

1039
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: second basement over the field.

1040
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 3: They have horrible players, I know, but like, I don't know,

1041
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 3: do you think they would take like a Kobe Mayo,

1042
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 3: O'Connor norby for sure, and like a who's a Chase McDermott.

1043
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 2: Have you seen their farm system? Yeah? I guess, I

1044
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 2: mean it's horrendous.

1045
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 3: I probably would look for a guy that Coby Mayo

1046
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 3: is like a headliner, he's a lead power pro like

1047
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 3: oh maybe the.

1048
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: Oriels lord kid too. Maybe the Os went.

1049
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: To the same high schools has Yeah, wow, that's full circle.

1050
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: How many Orioles or Marlins fans are you thinking of that?

1051
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, how many even listening to this podcast?

1052
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: Probably zero?

1053
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 3: You gotta be we're got too three six people playing

1054
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 3: it besides those two guys that knew that.

1055
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 2: There was the same school. Again, the crux of this.

1056
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 3: If the Mets won trade for hazelos As are though,

1057
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 3: you probably have to have Jet Williams. They're gonna ask

1058
00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 3: for Drew gil where I'm gonna say no, and then

1059
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 3: one of the high end pitching prospects and another like

1060
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:02,919
Speaker 3: high variant Pross.

1061
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: I really don't want to give up Jet either.

1062
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 3: I don't give Jet all. That's incredible we today from metsup.

1063
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 3: We're gonna have prospect Mondays, prospect stats on Mondays for metsicine.

1064
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: Especially because the Marlins that's a poor team. We know

1065
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: that they have no money. The more and more that

1066
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 1: Lozardo's contract keeps going and going, they're losing leverage.

1067
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 3: So it's like one of those things where it's like,

1068
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 3: show me Lozardo pitches well again. But the rest of

1069
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 3: the league knows that, so they're gonna wait them out.

1070
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 3: But the Marlins also probably have a bit of an

1071
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 3: urgency of trade. But also maybe Marlins don't have ergency.

1072
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 3: A trade made the playoffs last year. They didn't lose

1073
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 3: their best hither, but it made the well their president

1074
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 3: stepped down kidman yeah and is not gonna pitch this year.

1075
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 3: I think they were mad about winning it seemed like me.

1076
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe maybe they would do. But I don't know.

1077
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: I just I can't see them trading him. It's a

1078
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: rumor going around right now.

1079
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 3: I think it's a combination of him being far too

1080
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 3: expensive and the Marlins is needing far too much in return.

1081
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 3: That's likely not gonna happen right now.

1082
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: Like with Ce's, you're probably buying at the low right now, no.

1083
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: Wish, but wish you're not buying it the low because

1084
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 3: right now is the last time he's ever gonna have

1085
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Speaker 3: the extra year of control. Second the season starts, there's

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Speaker 3: no more extual year control because you're in the year.

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Speaker 2: He's a Lozardo. We would be buying, for sure, at

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Speaker 2: the highest, the highest by far he's ever been.

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Speaker 3: Maybe all the time, sake, give him Starling Marte a

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Speaker 3: deal Marte for Hazes Arto. Let's do it again, and

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Speaker 3: I'll drive Starling right down in my d Oh.

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Speaker 2: That would be a great video. I'd be a fun car.

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Speaker 2: Why why he would agree to that, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: He didn't want to come on the podcast when we

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Speaker 3: were working with the Mets, so I doubt he wants

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Speaker 3: to be in a car for twenty hours with us.

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Speaker 1: Last one Masataka Yoshia. This is one that we've seen,

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Speaker 1: uh people talking about in Mets World. D h uh,

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Speaker 1: no power Japanese guy. He was fine last year. He's

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Speaker 1: a totally fine.

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Speaker 3: He was significantly better the first two months. In the

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00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 3: last three, Yes, he got tired quickly.

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Speaker 1: It seemed like, Yeah, the major league season, which is

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00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: very understandable, like the NPB versus Major League Baseball season,

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Speaker 1: super super different.

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Speaker 3: And it's also definitely more grueling from like a like

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Speaker 3: a brain perspective, because you're just how many teams is

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Speaker 3: the MPB twelve ten?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I have no clue.

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Speaker 3: Twenty Maybe I think it's definitely less than thirty. Yeah,

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00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 3: no matter, Why do you have to learn about more pictures?

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00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 3: You have to learn about more ballparks, got to learn

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00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 3: about more repertoires, this more everything else. Yeah, a lot

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00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 3: to deal with a team that was not probably not

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00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 3: fun to be on the inside of either.

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00:37:59,160 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Red Sox had been.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's a guy with people talking about there's

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00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 3: another one where like I don't think he would cost

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Speaker 3: anything because you're basically just taking on a contract.

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Speaker 2: I don't want him. I don't want him at all.

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00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: I don't want to pay him that money. I don't

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Speaker 2: want DH with no power, no like that.

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Speaker 1: Mets fans are a little obsessed with these DH's that

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00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 1: got no power right now. With him and Justin Turner

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00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: as like two guys were like, man would really love

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00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: to add him. It's like, well, like, why why do

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Speaker 1: you want just turn hit twelve home runs? Why do

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00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: you want most Takio she who.

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00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 2: Might hit eight?

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00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 3: Like, I don't see a world where Masaitakio She to

1132
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 3: make sense on this roster, especially because he's awful in

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00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 3: the outfield, terrible unless they give us a prospect too

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00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 3: when you take his contract. Yeah, exactly, Again, there's another room.

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Speaker 3: I just don't think it makes sense. It's a name,

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00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 3: but it just I'd rather get anybody else to do this.

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Speaker 2: You just do it to it.

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00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's just again, we're hitting that part

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Speaker 1: of the off season where you just got to start

1140
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: throwing rumors out here. We're making content, so we gotta

1141
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: throw rumors at you guys too. We you didn't want

1142
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: to talk about these guys because you were like, we

1143
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: never get no chance, and I was like content, brain,

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00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: we got to talk about it because the Mets fans

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00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: still do want to know.

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00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 2: But otherwise, I mean, we've been talking about.

1147
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 3: Forty minutes on what was supposed to be The Shaman

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00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 3: and I a quick episode, and uh, we got the

1149
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 3: podcast feedback, so we need to get this bad boy out. Yeah,

1150
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: anything else to talk about here or we're good to

1151
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 3: wrap it up briefly.

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00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: The Robby Ray tray was kind of funny.

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00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, well I think I thought that Robbie

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00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 3: Ray got traded from the Mariners to the Giants from

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00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 3: Mitch Haniger and Anthony Discaffani. That was before the Shaman

1156
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 3: I contract, but it really felt like domesical the views

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00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 3: Mitch Haniger and Anthony Disclafani, but didn't have a picture

1158
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 3: with Upside like Robby Ray.

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Speaker 2: So it makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like who our pictures with upside? David Peterson, Tyler Redo,

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00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: Like that's who people.

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00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 3: Would say, doesn't upside tell they both do. I won't quit,

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00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 3: but that's Robbie Ray.

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Speaker 1: And it was also like a big money thing too,

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Speaker 1: because Robbie Ray's contract is longer. Hanniger and Descalfani are

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Speaker 1: off the books next year. Yeah, a great trade for

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Speaker 1: both sides.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I think.

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00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 3: Really funny, weird trade that works out. But Handiger is

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Speaker 3: like the exact d DH option that like I would

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Speaker 3: have liked, and he could play the outfield not very

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00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 3: well anymore. The injuries have really killed that last really yeah,

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Speaker 3: killed down a bit andmemer we tore Scrote, well, yeah

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00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: he hit the ball off the plate, Yeah, Scrote.

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Speaker 2: That's one of the most gruesome videos I've ever seen.

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Speaker 3: But then and the Mariners ripped back around traded Luke

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Speaker 3: Railey for Jose Cabier, which I'm gonna say out loud,

1178
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 3: so somewhere like Jose Cabierre might be this year's He

1179
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 3: talked Pray this to be able to play shorts up.

1180
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Speaker 3: He has like the exact same battered ball metrics as Pray.

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00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 3: It just needs to pull up more and lifted more.

1182
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 3: How many home runs I think he's gonna play locks.

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00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 3: He's probably now the Rays starting shortstop.

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Speaker 2: Yeah sure, not the other guy.

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00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: Definitely not the other guy. That guy's going to jail.

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Speaker 2: But going to jail. I think twenty one. I like

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Speaker 2: that number. Twenty one. I was thinking twenty three, twenty

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Speaker 2: one and a half.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna sit there but fun trade and the Rays

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Speaker 3: are really good getting a player like that who could

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Speaker 3: just we're gonna squeeze more Parwady.

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00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 2: They're gonna do Richie place, Yes too, you think so.

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Speaker 2: Shoutout Brooklyn. He is a Brooklyn kid. Shoutout brooklyners.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, is he the one who went to like Lincoln

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Speaker 1: Tech or went to a Brooklyn high school? Because one

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Speaker 1: of them went to Brooklyn High School? One of them

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Speaker 1: went away?

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Speaker 2: I Beyonce.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, you know is Richie. Richie was

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Speaker 3: a drive line guy. Apparently he's added seven miles an

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00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 3: hour to his maxxs of losses a lot. Yeah, it

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Speaker 3: feels like the Rays gonna be all right. Pull over

1203
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 3: that fence right there and it'd be like, oh he

1204
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Speaker 3: had twenty hole runs, Like what the fuck?

1205
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Speaker 2: Exactly him? John Luca whoever gets the playing time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Tony Disco and Mitch would have been nice, but

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Speaker 1: again we just didn't have the note stuff to give for.

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Speaker 3: Their and Taska Hernandez signed a one year contract to

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Speaker 3: just have fun.

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Speaker 2: With the Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: We were never giving them twenty million, hich it weren't

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00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: giving them twenty million.

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Speaker 2: Dollars for a year.

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Speaker 3: Dodgs are amazing.

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00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 2: Dodgers are major, very amazing. Hey you know what good

1216
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 2: year to just kind of fuck around a little bit?

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00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1218
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:16,479
Speaker 2: Good? What to mess around?

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00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 3: Was this was?

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Speaker 2: It was here.

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00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 3: We wanted to be like one hundred million overlugery tax again.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe not, maybe not, maybe not. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's where we'll wrap up this one for you, guys.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening, Thank you for watching.

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Speaker 1: Video, the podcast feed is back, so if you'd like

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Speaker 2: Which would be great.

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Speaker 3: And if you guys are watching on YouTube, it would

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Speaker 3: be really great for us as we try to, you know,

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Speaker 3: sell this thing again, make some money, not sell like

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Speaker 3: sell out again.

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Speaker 2: We're not gonna sell out again.

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Speaker 3: Probably less a lot of money, I mean, but so

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Speaker 1: That was percent guys. Thank you so much for listening

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Speaker 1: and watching. We will catch you on the next episode

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Speaker 1: of the Messed Up Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Peace out, becaus see you guys next time. Do YouTube

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Speaker 3: comments been hilarious? Stick with him yes? Bye,