1 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus 2 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: in Barrio, Ohio. This is Cleveland Brown Staley, brought to 3 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: you by Bally Beck coming soon to Ohio on eight 4 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: fifty ESPN Cleveland. He Here are your hosts, Bow Bishop 5 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: and Nathan Sigura. All right, let's do alive on a 6 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: reaction Monday edition of the program, merely Bow the great Z. Look. 7 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: Seven and ten wasn't in the brochure, guys, it wasn't. Uh, 8 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: you are what your record says you are in r 9 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: Sis seven and ten four in the a f C North. Uh. 10 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: There's been about a billion things obviously that happened this season. Um, 11 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: there was hope. I think that you could do a 12 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: couple of things going into this Pittsburgh game. Getting to 13 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: a winning record, are getting to you know, go eight 14 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: and eight and nine would have been nice. Most importantly, though, 15 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: beating Pittsburgh twice in one season was was something you 16 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: could hang your hat on. Uh. And you don't do that. 17 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: Um it ends fourteen Um. And and so this season, 18 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: which has been tough, really tough, Uh, tough I know 19 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: for all of you, tough for us, tough for the organization, 20 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: tough for the players, everything. Uh, it comes to an 21 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: end in unceremonial fashion to fourteen in Pittsburgh. You at 22 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: a front row seat, my friend, I did. Yeah, And 23 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 1: it's not just a reaction Monday. It is unfortunately, when 24 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: when teams do not live up to their expectations and 25 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: goals that are set and should have frankly been attainable 26 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: are not attained, changes are made. So this isn't just 27 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: a reaction Monday, it is they changes have been made Monday. 28 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: The Browns relieving defensive coordinator Joe Woods of his duties 29 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: Kevin Stefancy's saying, I'd like to thank Joe for his 30 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: hard work and dedication in his three seasons as our 31 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. We'll always have the utmost respect for Joe 32 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: the person and the coach on Fortunately, we didn't perform 33 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: up to our standards enough this season, and we all 34 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: sharing that responsibility. We always Joe and his family the 35 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: best in the future. And yeah, there's obviously a lot 36 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: of blame that could go around for a lot of 37 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: things that have gone wrong this season. And you know, 38 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: I think unfortunately too early in the season defensive issues, breakdowns, 39 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: Uh weird. The ugly head I hate it. You know, 40 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: I've been doing this a while now. I haven't had 41 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: a full staff here for three straight years. So you 42 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: really got to know these guys. You care about them 43 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: as people, and there's nothing that's fun about these situations. 44 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: But when teams don't do what you know teams are 45 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: supposed to do, a lot of times that comes with change. 46 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: And in this case, you know, the change they decided 47 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: to make was was that the defensive coordinator as of now, uh, 48 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: the assistants are all still here, and then I guess 49 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: whoever comes in as a evens Cordina will obviously have 50 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: some say and and how that looks. But just it's tough. 51 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: It's a tough part of the business, it is. And 52 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: the thing with with Joe that was interesting is, you know, 53 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: in the two thousands twenty one season last season, um, 54 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: it was a slow start and then it really came 55 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: on dominant and dominant towards the as the season went along, 56 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: and a reasonable expectation is that that would carry over 57 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: into this season and it didn't. And it was stunning. 58 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: And in a way, the struggles that I think were 59 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: there defensively this year kind of a microcosm of the 60 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: disappointment of the entire season. Um, you know there there 61 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: were defensive breakdowns, these gashes that happened, but the defense 62 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: did get better as the season went along, to question 63 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: and had some big time moments. Dominant performance and dominant performances. Absolutely, 64 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: but for whatever reason, the week to week consistency and 65 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: that could be said of the offense that could be 66 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: considered the special teams. Absolutely, Um, there just was not 67 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: the consistent uh performances that were required for this team 68 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: to do what was there. And let's let's just also 69 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: say this when you think about I mean like eight 70 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: seven teams make the playoffs, seven get in, um out 71 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: of sixteen. Yeah, that's pretty good. So you've got you 72 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: had three or four instants. You had so many instances 73 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: of just complete breakdowns, but you had several instances where 74 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: you should have been playing for something yesterday and to 75 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: your point earlier, when you're not, then something has to change. 76 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: And and Joe is the change. Um, we've had Joe 77 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: Woods in here. He's great. YEP, couldn't couldn't be a 78 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: better dude. And there is plenty of proof here in 79 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: the three the three seasons that he's been here that 80 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: what he is teaching and and the potential for it 81 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: can lead to greatness. We saw that last year first, 82 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: and we've seen it this year in several games. Just 83 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: the week to week consistency wasn't there. The week to 84 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: week accountability wasn't there. And that's where where this has 85 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: to happen. Yeah, and what I hope is in this offseason, 86 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: a year in which you know, so frustrating on so 87 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: many levels. There was a drive in the game yesterday, 88 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: which we'll talk about some point that I felt, in 89 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: many ways was a microcosm of this season for especially 90 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: for our defense. Uh it just it it fell short, 91 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: and there was a consistent if there was anything that 92 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: was consistent, there was a consistent inability to execute in 93 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: high leverage moments. And in the NFL, the games are 94 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: gonna come down to a few high leverage moments and 95 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: all three phases. You know, it could be a missfield 96 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: goal here, miss extra point, they're not recovering an outside 97 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 1: kick that couples with a blown coverage, couples with you know, 98 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: an unfortunate interception down in the red zone against the 99 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: Chargers when you felt like you had that game put away. 100 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: You know, an inability to come through on a bunch 101 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: of different fourth downs inside an opponent's ten or fifteen 102 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: yard line, and that adds up to losses that shouldn't 103 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: be losses, Like I don't think there's anybody that would 104 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: have thought yesterday that that Steeler seems a more talented 105 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: roster than the Browns. They just execute. They are relentless, 106 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: they are physical, and they know how to win and 107 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: know when it comes down to that time time and 108 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: the drive that I was referencing was we cut it 109 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: to fourteen and now it's ten minutes. Now, all the 110 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: pressure ships back to them. You immediately get them in 111 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: third and ten they complete a seventeen yard pass. Next, 112 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: you immediately get them in third and eight from their 113 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: own from your forty one, so out of field goal 114 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: range again. And then they throw it to a backup 115 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: rookie tight end who ended and entered the game with 116 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: nine catches for a hundred nine yards one on one 117 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: with one of our corners, A J. Green, and that 118 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: gets him twenty seven yards. And then on third and 119 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: eight from the twelve, when you could have held it 120 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: to a field goal at least, again tight end one 121 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: on one on a slant age of Green, nine, and 122 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: then you get a pass interference in the end zone 123 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: and ultimately they convert. So they converted four or fourth downs, 124 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: three of which were third and eight or long or 125 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: more third and eight or more third and ten was 126 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 1: the other one. And that's exactly where you wanted to 127 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: put them. That was the whole plan. Put him in 128 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: those situations, and we did not come through on three 129 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: different accounts, and three strikes are out and it's just 130 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: high leverage situations. It's it's everything in this game. They're 131 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: called any downs for a reason. They're called money, you know, 132 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: big plays for reasons. Bust the pickens, bust. That's on 133 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: third and fifteen. That's at the end of the first half. 134 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: We have the ball. No, it cannot haveppen. I took 135 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: buddy out to use the facilities. Yep, I come back in. 136 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: I go. I said what I said. We were done. 137 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: We're going to half. What is going on? We're up 138 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: seven nothing, They have third and fifteen from the thirty one. 139 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: They're gonna kick a field goal and we are going 140 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: to get the ball back with a chance to match 141 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: that field goal, maybe get a touchdown, whatever, going back 142 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: instead busted coverage walk in lay up thirty one yard touchdown. Inexcusable, 143 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: inexcusable Pickens isn't inconspicuous, no not then know where he is? 144 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: Then unfortunately a bad interception and then they get a 145 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: field goal. So going into the two minute warning, you're 146 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: up seven nothing in those two minutes, somehow you're down 147 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: ten to seven, and it's just yeah, it's those kind 148 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: of microcosms. I mean, we have to be the end 149 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: of the first half, beginning of the third quarter one 150 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: of the worst teams in the league. I mean, there's 151 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: so many games I can think of where we've given 152 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: up points in an out oh my gosh, and a 153 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: half end of games. Anti you remember we talked about 154 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: this earlier in the season, you know, like where's we 155 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: need to have a clutch, Like can you teach clutch? 156 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: Can you teach big moments um? Because we didn't have it, 157 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: and you know you we probably you have squealers and 158 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: all of that stuff and and that we do and 159 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: oh my god, like this was their year to go 160 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: on the tank man, they don't. It's but it's not 161 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: in their nature to do it. They don't know, they 162 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: just don't have it in can he Pickett Yesterday went 163 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: thirteen of twenty nine. We've lost multiple games where we've 164 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: held quarterbacks below fifty percent passing in the NFL in 165 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: the year I Lamar was under fifty. I think the 166 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: game when we lost to the Ravens in Baltimore, that 167 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: just can't happen. Ten years, ten years on the radio network. 168 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: I've never seen a win in Pitts Puke. I have 169 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: exclude playoff game because we were at First Energy, he 170 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: was there. I've never seen a win um aquarein Um. 171 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: What I hope is and because so many people get 172 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 1: mad at at the coaches and Joe Woods and oh man, 173 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: they blew the coverage. Again it's Joe Woods, Joe Woods. 174 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 1: I really do hope that some of the players reflect 175 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: a little bit this offseason. I think part of and 176 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: what they're like. You know, you're John Johnson. You know 177 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: we need some new men, accountability and and all these things. 178 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: I do think that you could make case all right. 179 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 1: If you're doing that, then you just don't get to play. 180 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: And and perhaps that's the task that has to be had. 181 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: But again, if you if I came onto this show, okay, 182 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: and we practice this show to kind of make it 183 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: kind of analogous situation, and you were like, all right, 184 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: when we're going to break, you can't start screaming profanity. Okay, 185 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: you just can't do that, do it. There are rules. 186 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: These are the rules of this show. Is that you 187 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: can't start in profanity as we go to break, but 188 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: really at any time during the program. And I'm like, 189 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: got it, I know it. Here we go, we're gonna 190 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: be on the air. Now, I just can't do that. 191 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: And then I do do that. That's not like to 192 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: me a coach's fault. That's my fault. I knew the rules. 193 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: I knew that if the slot ran a vertical, I'm 194 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: supposed to carry the seam. That's the way that we 195 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: call that defense. It's built into the call. So when 196 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 1: you don't do it, that's But when it doesn't, here's 197 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: here's the Then maybe you have to. Let's do this 198 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: analogy a step further. If you do that, and you 199 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: do screen profanities in and out of every break, and 200 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: neither I or most especially the head honcho, don't hold 201 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: you accountable, then where's your lesson? No, of course, So 202 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: that's it's all of it. It's all of it. I 203 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: just think it would be sad if if I had, 204 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: if I'm fine and giving it doing to keep doing it. Yeah, no, No, agreed. 205 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: That takes it all the way full circle. Um that Yeah, 206 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: that's the part, Like they're not being coached to do this. 207 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: Some blow coverages happen, and just so people know, like 208 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: there are a lot of things that have to be 209 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: factored in in the coverage situation. Rules change based on 210 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: motions and shifts and all of that, and you have 211 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: to respond to it in real time. But like, coverages 212 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: aren't that complex. You know where you are and you 213 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: know what your responsibilities are. It's it's just it's yeah, 214 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: it's disappointing this whole season. Disappointing that drive yesterday, that 215 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: in drive in particular, because you're like, Okay, we went down, 216 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: we got a big touchdown, Sean made some nice plays 217 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: the big ball to uh And by the way, I 218 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 1: like what Jalen Darden did for our offense, and I 219 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: think in one snap. I'm pretty sure only played that 220 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: one snap, but I like the effect that he had 221 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: on their defense and one snap, And it goes back 222 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: to my point. We need speed, but we'll get that. 223 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: We have plenty time in the offouse and talking about 224 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: what we need. Um, I love that we went. We 225 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: got that touch down, and then you've got a chance 226 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: to get him off the field against the guy that 227 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: complete it, as you pointed out, fewer than of his 228 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: passes and on three straight third downs you let him 229 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: complete on third and lungs. It's just wild to me, Like, 230 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: it's just stunning to me. No, it can happen. And 231 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: then to think that, you know they didn't run it 232 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: on I mean, n was three point seven to carry. No, 233 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: we handled it well, we did have that. You did well. 234 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 1: Somehow they come away with twenty eight points. I mean, 235 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: it's Kenny Pickett and it could have been worse. I 236 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 1: mean they had the fumble on the goal line that 237 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: if it was challenged, I mean I thought, no scored 238 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: on that, and they quick ran it instead of like 239 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 1: taking a look at it because it never even went 240 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: down and then you get the fumble at the goal line. 241 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: It's like, I mean that this this game, it had 242 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: all of the things that have been bothered some all season. Totally. 243 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: There are three biggest pass players of the day. Seven, 244 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: thirty one and thirty two yards came on third and eight, 245 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: third and fifteen and third and eight like this Kenny Pikett, 246 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: I mean, and and he clearly when they get him 247 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: out of the pocket he can do some things. But 248 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: they have Kenny Pickett complete five passes of twenty three 249 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: more yards against you is just insane to me, Like, 250 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't even make any sense to me how that 251 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: was even possible, and it did happen in this game. 252 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: There are a lot of things that, yeah, it was 253 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: very much in this game was a microcosm in so 254 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: many ways. Have the lead, can't maintain it, turnovers, we 255 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: lose a turnover battle, so no clutch, no clutch, you know, 256 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: we're five and oh this year we won the triver 257 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: battle five and oh, unfortunately it's going to say that 258 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: we were also to intend when we did, just tied 259 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: it or lost it. Just it was rough. And then 260 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: they're they're little things, right. So then on the second 261 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: interception Ford Sean, when you're a receiver running an inward 262 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: breaking route like that, you cannot let the defender across 263 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: your face like one job. You can't let that happen. 264 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: And unfortunately for David Bell, this is it's fifth grade 265 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: football stuff. Man. This feels like in many ways it 266 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: was a non season third round pick. He got nothing 267 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: out of him. That's Schwartz Bell receiver that needed to 268 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: be dudes, not not not not even kind of. And 269 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: then on the other side, third down and eight with 270 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: a backup tight end a j Green in Man, you know, 271 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: you same thing. You can't let that receiver cross your 272 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: face on an inward breaking route. That's like there backup 273 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: backup tight end, Devin Guy at a Michigan sake. I 274 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: came in the game with nine catches for a hundred 275 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: nine yards at three for forty five, including two on 276 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: the backbreaking drive in man against our corner. It's not 277 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: like he's match up with a linebacker or a safety. 278 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: He's a corner. That's you have to win that matchup. 279 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: It was tough, tough, tough season, disappointing season, and you 280 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: know you hate it. You hate the human side of 281 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: it that you know Joe loses his job. The Browns, 282 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: you know, are are talking to We've foreseen reports now 283 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: Brian flores Um as well as j Mayo who was 284 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: with the Patriots as guys that they're going to take 285 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: a look at it, and and that feels to me 286 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: what they are looking for. There are guys that are 287 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: going to have be leaders of men and have command 288 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of respect in the locker room. That 289 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: say that Joe didn't have that. Joe and our defense 290 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: last year was the top but five defense in the league. 291 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: I mean it's and that's the NFL for you, right, 292 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: Life comes at you very very quickly. Cliff Kingsbury signed 293 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: a one year extensive, signed a multi year extension a 294 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: year ago and just got let go in Arizona. But 295 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: it happened like in the last hour Steve Ca'm gone, gone, 296 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: oh it had to be. Yeah, you had to be 297 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: He's just signed a monstrous extension and well they that 298 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: was silly but obviously but um yeah, and that we 299 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: have no adjust to at of people. What I have 300 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: no inside on how quickly the Browns will get this 301 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. Um, I imagine that it's you know, you 302 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: want to wrap that up and be able to get 303 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: your guy. Well, I'm sure more names will be added 304 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: to this list that we've got right now. Well, Florence 305 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: could be a head coaching candidate in certain places, depending 306 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: on how this all shakes out over the course of 307 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: the next Ryan's is probably going to be a guy 308 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: from the Niners. Their DC is going to be a 309 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: guy that's gonna be head coaching. Kennedy, he wouldn't come 310 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: here to be a d C. But yeah, there are 311 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: head coaches. That's the other thing you're you're competing with. 312 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: So you're trying to take care of that if you can. 313 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: Was signed. It was a five year extension. Even enjoy 314 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: that that house and that it's six years. It was 315 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: a six year extension. He sent it. They're firing after one, 316 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: and I'm sure they they probably negotiated a buy out maybe, 317 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: but he doesn't. He's under I mean, that's give no 318 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: reason to do it. Yeah, just out of his own 319 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: good will. Think about that, dude. He was the offensive 320 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: coordinator at USC. Everybody panicked, we got to get offensive guys. 321 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: He had tangible experience with Kyler Murray who was coming 322 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: out into that draft. But originally was hired thinking that 323 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: he was gonna fix Rosen. Yeah, it was the idea. 324 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: He didn't have a winning record at Texas Tech. There's 325 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: anybody who when he in the college football world that 326 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: when he got hired, thought like he would not have 327 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: gotten hired to coach a Big twelve team in a 328 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: coming out of the Texas Tech run, he would not 329 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: have he would have been coaching at texts at Houston 330 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: or SMU. Like he was not going to get a 331 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: Big twelve job coming out of what happened at Texas Tech. 332 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: He needed career rehabilitation. That's why he's going to USC 333 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: to called ball plays with a lot of talent at 334 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: USC live in Manhattan Beach. Then all of a sudden 335 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: he gets the Cardinals head coaching job. What and it 336 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: went exactly as everyone said it would go in exact 337 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: science this I will say, the only thing and I 338 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm sure Jibby found it satisfying. But one 339 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: of the more surreal parts of yesterday obviously so disappointing 340 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: for the Browns and just so unfortunately like on brand 341 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: with the way that that season went, is with about 342 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: was about four minutes left that they did renegade. It 343 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: was that the two minute warning. Okay, two minute warning, 344 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: they do run again. I knew it was late. Well, 345 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: the problem was they learned through the network time outs, 346 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: so there was only one network time out left. Were 347 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: played it earlier, but that's a network that's a time 348 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: out that you need the full tow and e electric 349 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: it is. It's an awesome place to take in a 350 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: game where they're invested. So that happens at the two 351 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: minute warning. I want to say, with maybe a minute 352 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 1: and fifteen seconds left, Miami hits a fifty yard field goal. 353 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: I said, I said, Jim, do you want to tell 354 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,239 Speaker 1: them or would you like me to? And so he 355 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: did that and then we looked down. The place went 356 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: from towels craziness to you could see people talking and 357 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: you could hear a pin drop here, a pin drop, 358 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: and then they just started everybody just heading for the exits. 359 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: That's pretty good. And I was like, good and that 360 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: was the only silver lining. That's pretty good though, Like 361 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: Jim was like stunt. He's like because I said it, 362 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: I was like, people are it is silent. Yeah, there 363 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: was no celebration to this. And then I'm like, I 364 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: ket celebrating beating us. People are leaving and he looked 365 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: down and it was just like yeah, and he goes, 366 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: oh my god, there was there was no traffic by 367 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: the time we left. We left probably an hour and 368 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: twenty hour and twenty five after so he left like 369 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: five thirty. You think, yeah, yeah, we left between five 370 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: thirty because the team left around five o'clock. We had 371 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: to finish load. I did my post game. I was 372 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: in the lot up by the Taco bell, which is 373 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: an excellent lot to get out of. I was in 374 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: my home at six thirty six. Well, we were in discussions. 375 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: We were within two minutes of each other coming from 376 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: from basketball at it. Yeah, we're right by each other. 377 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: The Terriers, what a great nickname. It's a good name. Yeah. Yeah, 378 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: we were out there playing gym. No, the barn is great, 379 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: like they're they're big. Barn is great. We were in 380 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: the field house. But it was the best gym that 381 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: I ever played in in my uh my high school 382 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: days was at O'Dowd Bishop O'Dowd, which had a lot 383 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: of good athletes have come out of that school, and 384 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: it's in in Oakland area, and it was kind of 385 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: like re member of the pit at New Mexico. So 386 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: like the court was down, the benches were down there, 387 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: maybe like a couple of things down, but then everybody 388 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: else was above you, kind of in a cutout like 389 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: a blood view, and then the gym was like in 390 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: the middle of that, and so everybody's above you. It 391 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: was actually it was really so much fun. Unfortunately around here, 392 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: a lot of them have gotten torn down as we've 393 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: you know, we've been on the circuit here for a 394 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: couple of years and so I've seen a lot of them. 395 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: Many of them have gotten torn down through the years, 396 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: like the classics that the classic old school ones with character. 397 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: But Kyoga Falls is that's a dude, man, No, Kyahoga 398 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: Falls Black Tigers, but there's yeah, you got it that 399 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: Jim is the real deal man. And I apparently they 400 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: passed a levy for new school and stuff, but they're 401 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 1: keeping the gym. God bless them. It's what's so great 402 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: about it. It's straight up on the sides. I mean, 403 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: it kind of looks like Assembly Hall in Indiana, like 404 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: it goes forever up. I got some pictures I'll show 405 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: you high countries. It's it's not a fun fun thing 406 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: to do, No, it's it's absolutely awesome. I love that, Jim. 407 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: I love going in there. Um all right, so we've 408 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 1: got a lot to get to here. Look, there's a 409 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: lot going on in the NFL. As we alluded to, um, Houston, Texans, 410 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: I believe I had that and then Love said screw 411 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: the for and gets it and then it's fired that night, 412 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: of course, don't you think they were buzzing down to 413 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: me like, do not get this the middle? Yeah, Houston 414 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: was owning that game at halftime, and then all of 415 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: a sudden, I turned around and the Colts were scored 416 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: like twenty on answered. I'm like, well someone got to 417 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: love me. Yeah, Like, dude, this is you get to 418 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: pick our quarterback and now we don't. That's what happened. 419 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: Fourth and twenty touchdown, two point conversion win it. Now 420 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: you go from picking first to picking second. The Bears 421 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: now pick first. They can now leverage that pick if India, 422 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: who picks fourth, now could go up to one to 423 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: get it trade. There's a lot of talk that the 424 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 1: Bears are gonna trade fields and pick a quarterback that 425 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe I would, and I think he's a dude. 426 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: I don't know where. I mean, I think there's a 427 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: lot of interesting people are down. I know I think 428 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: so too. Who's down. I haven't seen people are down 429 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: on his ability to pass the football. In Chicago. People 430 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: that cover the Bears are saying that, Yeah, I mean 431 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: I could see that. I mean, I just think it's 432 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: crazy though, because if that is true. That's obviously the 433 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: two years in the league like have made him regress 434 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: as a pastor because he was quite competent thrower of 435 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: the football. Oh he had a yeah, yeah, he had 436 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: six touchdown game against Clemson the National semifinal. Yeah. So no, 437 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: he can spend it. So I don't know what. Probably 438 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: they wrecked him, but if he would be somebody, that 439 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: would be a reclamation if if he's there for the trade, 440 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: I think you could do Kyle right, sorry not need 441 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 1: pretty might be yeah, the next ye guy just who 442 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to start? I mean, oh yeah, I know 443 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: what the Bears, I guess could go Bryce Young. I can't. 444 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: I don't. To me, Bryce Young better prospect than Fields. 445 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: It's hard for me to writ my head around that. Um. 446 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: The other thing I wanted to mention though, but no 447 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 1: I did. I knew that that no one tanks like Indie. 448 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: They know what they're doing. Um, but they put up 449 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: thirty two. Nobody was gonna score. It's crazy. Um. The 450 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: other thing, if you don't well up with name Hines 451 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: taking the opening kick back for a touchdown in Buffalo, 452 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: are you kidding me? Unbelievable? I come, we were in 453 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: the booth, and we obviously don't have the video of it, 454 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: but I was like, oh my god, seven nothing Buffalo 455 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: all right? And I clicked on it. I was like, Jim, 456 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: they ran the opening kickoff back nine Hynes nine six yards. 457 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: He run two back in the game, which is a 458 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: ridiculous feat. But that week opening kick, opening kick, and 459 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: I watched the call of Nance and Romo and Nancell's 460 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: lising at Romo. You can tell I didn't even know 461 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: what to like do. He's like, this is It's destiny. 462 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: That was awesome. Last thing from last night. Did you 463 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: see the end game coach interview with Dan Campbell went 464 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: in the first half. I watched this. I watched the 465 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: second half, which was awesome. Golf like don't yeah, they 466 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: got the Rams pick, they got their own. They got 467 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: two ones. Jamison Williams on the one that was called back. 468 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: You saw what he can do. No one can catch him. 469 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: He looked like he was at a different speed, different levels. 470 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: So now he's coming back fully healthy. Next year, you 471 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: got two ones to add to that team. That team 472 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,959 Speaker 1: will be the favorite in the NFC North next season. 473 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: They should be. Did you watch his interview though, Okay, 474 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: go good, dan Quinn and I have another interview for 475 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: that is maybe my favorite. It was unbelievable. So he's 476 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: freezing and he's one of those guys when he's post 477 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: like the Melissa's Stark in game, he is yelling, he's 478 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: so fired up, essentially saying paraphrat used, I have to 479 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: watch it, but paraphrasings, we want to take this from them, 480 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: we want to take this from them, we keep them out, 481 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: And he's all, it's amazing the fact that he got 482 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: those guys to play that hard when they're playing for nothing. 483 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: They literally got to eliminated as they were taking the field. 484 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: They were playing for nothing. Yeah, it was awes awesome. Okay, 485 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: Jamal Williams post game have you seen this? No, but 486 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: I saw him being introduced speaking in a language of 487 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: things I've never even understood or could understand what he 488 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: was talking about. Yes, I think it has to do 489 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: with like Ninja's I believe Showby's something beyond post game. Okay, 490 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: he's being interviewed by Mlissa Stark. He's got the touchdown 491 00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: ball that he broke Barry Sanders franchise record with he 492 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: is he's an emotional guy. We saw it on hard knocks. 493 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: He is crying doing his interview, talking about how he 494 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: did this for his family and for his grandfather and 495 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: maybe maybe him got to his great grandfather. I'm paraphrasing here, 496 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: but that this was for him and this ball is 497 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: for him, and it means so much. It's like obvious. 498 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: She's like it means so much. She was like, yeah, 499 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: it doesn't. He's like crying, and it's all this emotional interview, 500 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, it was like as 501 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 1: if somebody pressed a button and he goes from crying 502 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: to screaming, don't be playing us. I told you, don't 503 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: be playing the Detroit lines. We get us any respect. 504 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: He goes, I don't even watch TV, but I heard 505 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 1: it all. You picked the Green Bay Packers. Think of 506 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: his chance. Don't play the Detroit line. Don't play us. 507 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: Like from crying to cutting a wrestling promo of anger 508 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: in that with no transition whatsoever. Was It's incredible. It's stunning. 509 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: I'll play for you in the break. It's awesome. That's 510 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: absolutely amazing. Crazy All right, um, lots to get to 511 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 1: obviously here today, including you will hear from our quarterback. 512 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: It's locker clean out day. Around here, you'll hear from 513 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson the Hoffel. Join us in our number two. 514 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: We're often running. You listen to Cleeve the Browns Daily, 515 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: brought you by Bally Bet, Coming soon to Ohio on 516 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: eight fifty ESPN, Cleveland. 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You don't follow me on social just way, 525 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: I can't see it, but I have tweeted it for 526 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: the people who want to watch it. Yeah, I thought 527 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: that was great. I mean it was. It was a 528 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: crazy day in the NFL, like who was going to 529 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 1: try and who wasn't going to try? And then they 530 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: half tried, some half tried. Mike Williams got hurt for 531 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: the Chargers. Was in the game, the whole game. What 532 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: is he doing? Like, what are you doing? I was 533 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 1: sorry to somebody this morning that that's like Sean Payton, 534 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: Like if they go, if they lose at Jacksonville, that 535 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: that's that's Sean Payton's want is right there to go 536 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: to the Chargers. It's got to be right. Yeah, that's 537 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: the best job, Um, you know the other ones. I'll 538 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: tell you there are some tough jobs out there. If 539 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: McVeigh leaves the Rams, that's a brutal job. I mean, 540 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: it's living in l A. But there's no easy path 541 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: back there. That's a really old roster quarterback. You might 542 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: not have an arm, no draft picks. That's tough. Um. 543 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: That Arizona situation is not rosy. Man. You gotta make 544 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: it work with Kyler. He's locked up long term. He's petulant. 545 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: You see. That ain't good. That's not a great spot 546 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: Denver historic organization. But what happened to russ Man. He 547 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: looked better at the end of the year. Yeah, maybe 548 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: the hack At thing was part of it. That you 549 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: can talk yourself into that one. Because there's a lot 550 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: of towns, a lot of history and history he's good. Yeah. Houston, 551 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: Houston's got money, They've got picks, um they got obviously 552 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: got are one in their division. That feels the Jags 553 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,719 Speaker 1: are ascending. Yeah, the Titan Titans are descending. The cults 554 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: are I don't know what, who knows, So like you 555 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: could you could get quickly. Yeah, Carolina is open. Who knows. 556 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: I don't even know what that is. They're picking like 557 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: ninth now because they want in New Orleans. That's not 558 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: attractive other than the division. Yeah, there's nothing there in 559 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: that one, so that's nice. Yeah, and oh in Houston 560 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: you get new uniforms. So that's you don't know if 561 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: that'll be next year, but that the wheels are Titan colors. 562 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: Put the Oiler's colors into your current universe. Yeah, these 563 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: things are, These aren't hard things. There are a lot 564 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: of people who rock the Oilers units in mad and Sweet, 565 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: the all whites are. It's it's a gorgeous thing. And 566 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: people will say, well, the Titans own that specific color 567 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: of blue, that shade of blue, So then just go 568 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: a different shade one pantone less. How can you own 569 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: a color I don't know, just go sky blue? Were 570 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: the same blue that like old misswears done. Problem solved. 571 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: Carolina Blue. Yeah, they can't other blue. You can't own 572 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: every light blue in the world. U c l as blue. Correct. Yeah, 573 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: a lot of ways to get around it. Um, did 574 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: you guys happen to note that? What? Let's do guess 575 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: the stats? What do you think Geno Smith's completion percentage 576 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: was yesterday? This season? See this season? I'm gonna say 577 00:30:55,440 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: fifty eight percent? You're so bad at this here? Pretty close? 578 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: Uh eight round up? He was either the leader or 579 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: close to it. Sixty complete percentage. What do you think 580 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: his yardage Gino Smith? Yardage last year? This season? Who is? 581 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: I have no clue set, but I have a guess. 582 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna say yards high. No, he's right there, 583 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: broke Russell Wilson's franchise record for passing yards in a season. Goodevity, 584 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: you get. I celebrate your successes. How about a touchdown 585 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: to interception? Can I interest you in? Thirty to eleven 586 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,959 Speaker 1: through two yesterday to Jalen Ramsey, Yeah, three one. He's 587 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: gonna be comeback player of the year. Thirty two years old, 588 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: was left for dead by this league. Yeah, well, least 589 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: I got to get it back there. This is a 590 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: guy who was never going to start again, never gonna 591 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: start again. I mean, he was the guy who replaced 592 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: I like all of this stuff. I mean, you think 593 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: about that path. We all remember him sitting there on 594 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: draft day where he fell to the second round. He 595 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: was sitting in there and they never picked him and 596 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: eventually went in the second round to the Jets. Was 597 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: that ej Manuel? It could have been, It was, It 598 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: could have been. But he's thirty two years old. A 599 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: decade later he puts up a sears thirty touchdown, eleven picks, 600 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: And how nice is it if you're Seattle this morning. 601 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: Look at all the assets you got to give up, 602 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: Russ Wilson. You're picking fifth in the draft, compliments of 603 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos. Yeah, and you have your own in 604 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: your own Yeah. That's to be determined based on how 605 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: far you go in the playoffs. Yeah. Yeah. I By 606 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: the way, and I'm sure we'll get into this as 607 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: the week goes along. Like you saw the television draft. 608 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: How about the fact that the one that was always 609 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: reserved for AFC South is Seattle San Francisco. They're the 610 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: early Saturday game. Yeah, which is a pretty good game 611 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: with a lot of hitts. I just think there's there's 612 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: no interest in that Seattle operation, brag Party, brack Party 613 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: and Geno Smith. That just can't sell it. Kyle's a gangs, 614 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: but I agree, but like we'll we'll see them when 615 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: they play someone of consequence. Think of the flip. If 616 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: that were Rogers, that's Sunday Night Football, oh, no doubt, 617 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: or whoever at first pick, I think my Monday Night 618 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,959 Speaker 1: Football at first pick because they have Bucks, Cowboys, Sunday 619 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: Night Football is Bengals Ravens. They're banking on Lamar. Clearly 620 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: they're banking on Lamar because they had the second pick. 621 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: So the first pick was Cowboys, Bucks, second pick would 622 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: have been that one. Third pick would have been Jacksonville Chargers. 623 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: That's a sneaky good game, it is, But you got 624 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: what are they playing that Saturday night? That's the Saturday 625 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: night it's a Saturday night game. Yeah, that's a good game. 626 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: It is a good game. But like Ratings, why, I mean, 627 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: football people love that because of the quarterbacks that might be. 628 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: Those are two fan bases that are non existent. Giants. 629 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: Vikings is appropriately placed. I would have probably put the 630 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: Bills in the prime time. I would put Bills Dolphins 631 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: in the prime time. I don't quarterback Miami and they're 632 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: worried about a blowout played them to Dolphins beat him, 633 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and then they played him tough in Buffalo 634 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: Cowboys Bucaneers. I mean, I get it, it's up. But 635 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:22,439 Speaker 1: that's about Dallas laying it yesterday. Not great, not great 636 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: at all. No, by the way, we said we smoked 637 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: that commander's team, and how it looks pretty good. I 638 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: don't know what to make him. How about a weird week? 639 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: We had good on the scores too. Oh, we had 640 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: to have done really well. So maybe scores were good. 641 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: Stare too good at it, too good for our own business. 642 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: Even speaking of wild given everything that's happened in the 643 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:51,439 Speaker 1: last seven days, quay Walker pushing a trainer apparently he's 644 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,919 Speaker 1: called him and he's yea handled it the right way. 645 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: Post unfortunately wasn't like it was a crazy show. But 646 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: let me tell you something. There was another guy who 647 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: hit the trader to should have gotten in trouble. But 648 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: how about jarn Reid going with like a biotic forearm 649 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,320 Speaker 1: to DeAndre Swift's head and his head literally going back 650 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: into his jersey and no penalty. Well that was the 651 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: same play because they were coming to tend to DeAndre Swift. Yeah, 652 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: I mean, we haven't gotten into it. But our game 653 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: was are the joke of our game. Our game was atrocious. 654 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: I mean our quarterback literally got taken never by the 655 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 1: face mask and had the face mask next to his 656 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,839 Speaker 1: ear hole. I think it was probably just the the officiating. 657 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I've never seen a quarterback like you have 658 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 1: one job in the white hat. Watched the quarterback. That's 659 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: the job, like the notion that you would have would 660 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: miss that. And there are people every everyone's watching the quarterback. 661 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: How do you miss that? How's it not reviewable? Well, 662 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: here's the thing. I don't care they miss it. And 663 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: this is why I said during the thing. And and 664 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: it did feel like like if you were a conspiracy theorist. 665 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: There were some calls that went against the Lions were 666 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: suspect at best in that game that they wanted maybe 667 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: blue bloods if there was a yeah, but I'm not 668 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: suggesting that. It is sure said if here you could 669 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: have talked yourself into it, But the NFL would have 670 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: benefited and the television partners would have preferred Pittsburgh over 671 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: Miami over Miami, and Green Day over Seattle significantly, so 672 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: Big Niners Path would have been Saturday night, and if 673 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 1: it was Bills and Steelers, it would have been in primetime. Yea. 674 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: So what I said was there was the play where 675 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: and Watson yesterday was running for his life a lot 676 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: of time, and he is unbelievable that you've are certain 677 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: he's being hit and tackled and he's somehow not. But 678 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: there was one where kind of went low, kept his 679 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: balance and then it was scored out for you know, 680 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: twenty yards. They were within ten seconds able to be 681 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: like no, actually his elbow was down and we saw 682 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: it on the replay like I think his fore arms 683 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: down so that they're gonna count them down. Boom, it's 684 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: back there. Those same guys could be like, okay, it 685 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 1: was a face, Just drop a flag and then say 686 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 1: face mask and nobody's gonna have a problem with nobody 687 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 1: because there was There wasn't a mised intentional grounding. That's 688 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: it was. He could have just said it was a confusion. 689 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 1: I thought he was stopping hot route should have been 690 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: to stop here, ready to go. I threw it over 691 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: there but yeah, the officiating, guess it was not great, 692 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: but it's no excuse for us the Browns. No, there 693 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: has to be real concern going into the playoffs because 694 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 1: officiating the last month has gotten worse, which again dramatically work. 695 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: They need to make these people full time employees in 696 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: the National Football League period, oversight around grades, good salaries. 697 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: That's the game, and when you don't do it well, 698 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:51,720 Speaker 1: you're out. But there's also people watching a hundred monitors 699 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: like they've got so many things right and they do 700 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: it quickly missed it face mask, face mask, face mask. 701 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: Gumble had a off one too, and I think it 702 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 1: was Gumble was tough that clear rooting interest from Archeoletta, 703 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 1: but the um, yeah, it was tough. Clear for why. 704 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just felt like he was leaning 705 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: in that way. I mean, I'm not that guy, but 706 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: he played for the Rams. In my mind, yeah, no, 707 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 1: I think you have that right. It just felt like 708 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: he was in on that's kind of where he was. Yeah, 709 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,879 Speaker 1: but yeah, Gumble have a tough one, and he's he's 710 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: the best, he's great, But it was the fact of 711 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: the matters. And I've said this for a very very 712 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: long time That is a very difficult job that those 713 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: guys have to do. In reality, get is much easier 714 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,800 Speaker 1: for me or you or GiB A or Jim or 715 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: the Hoff even to talk about the Browns because we 716 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: live the Browns. They don't. They fly in and or 717 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: Brown And they probably done a couple this year, a few, 718 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,359 Speaker 1: but you know, they don't know the names they talk. 719 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 1: They can talk to the coaches and a couple of 720 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 1: players for a little bit ahead of time, but that's all. 721 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: That's it, and so they don't they don't know it. 722 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: The brought the audience would be bad served with a 723 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: Mann and cast done by every team and the elimination 724 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: other than the best a Nance and Aromo, you know, 725 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,240 Speaker 1: an Alan and Collinsworth although they're no longer a union, 726 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: but a Bucket an Aikman. Those people can call big 727 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: games of consequence and you'd have as an alternate that 728 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,959 Speaker 1: your team's own broadcast. But that's what should be. There's 729 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,879 Speaker 1: a point and I and and Charles are great. Yeah, 730 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: there's several. I mean there's probably two or three teams 731 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: on each But once you get past that in the 732 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: depth chart, it's just it's tough get into the d 733 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: E and F teams. It's just to be fair to them. 734 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: It really, truly is hard to be an expert on 735 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: all thirty two teams that the level that you would 736 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 1: want out of somebody who's doing that broadcast, and the 737 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 1: guys that aren't are either the voices of your life 738 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: your sports life on the play by play side, and 739 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: then the color guys are either people that have become 740 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 1: really really good like Charles Davis, or their guys that 741 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: played at a high level and are able to articulate 742 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: things very very well, and you're like, oh, yeah, they 743 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 1: have cachet with you. Yeah, you know, absolutely all right, 744 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,360 Speaker 1: Shaun Watson at the podium, coming up next us to 745 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,479 Speaker 1: clean the Brown's Daily brought you by baallely Bet, Coming 746 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:16,240 Speaker 1: soon to Ohio on a fifty ESPN Cleveland. Brown's Daily 747 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: brought to you by bally Bet, Coming soon to Ohio 748 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland. All Right, welcome back into Cleveland. 749 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,320 Speaker 1: Brown's Daily brought you by Bally Bet, Coming soon to 750 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: Ohio on a fifty ESPN Cleveland. Time to head to 751 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 1: the podium, now quarterback to Shawn Watson's end of the 752 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: season pressor what's ever listen? How the six games are yet, 753 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 1: how did you think they win? Did you get everything done? 754 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 1: You accomplished you hope to. You know, we didn't meet 755 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 1: your expectations. I'm I'm kind of how we did. Um, 756 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,879 Speaker 1: of course, you know, I didn't meet the expectations. Of course, 757 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: we wanted to try to you know, find our way 758 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: into the playoffs and have a stented games and opportunity 759 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,839 Speaker 1: to you know, Clinster Division, all these different things. But UM, 760 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: as far as just you know, being able to play 761 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 1: football again, UM, get out there, you know, not some 762 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 1: rust off. You know, have some ups, have some downs, UM, 763 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 1: have some in between, and kind of really get the 764 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,240 Speaker 1: feel of how we want to operate at the offense, UM, 765 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: and what we want to you know, look forward to 766 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: as the Cleveland brown H. I definitely did that, so UM, 767 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 1: you know I'm excited. I'm I'm definitely looking forward to 768 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: the future, uh for the Cleveland Browns and the organization 769 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 1: and this team, and UM, I know there's gonna be 770 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,399 Speaker 1: some changes, but at the same time, you know, I'm 771 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: always here for improvement and just trying to get better. 772 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,840 Speaker 1: Now you can look back on it, was the layoff 773 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 1: harder or was it more than you even thought that 774 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,800 Speaker 1: it was gonna be. Yeah, it's it's always the layoff. 775 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,840 Speaker 1: You know, anything that you do. It can be from 776 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 1: you know, anything personal to any activities to work. You know, 777 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 1: just having that layoff is definitely tough because you don't 778 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: get the full effect. You don't get the the emotions, 779 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 1: the mood swings, the adversity, that all that different stuff 780 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,919 Speaker 1: that you can kind of mentally think of. But it's 781 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,839 Speaker 1: different when you kind of you know, living in and 782 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: going through at full speed. Sean. You you you said 783 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 1: after the game yesterday, you mentioned about sitting down with 784 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,880 Speaker 1: Kevin and and talking some things out and you know, 785 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,759 Speaker 1: maybe you know, pointing out some changes you you may 786 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,759 Speaker 1: look at in the offense. Well, you have some specifics 787 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 1: in mind that you want to you want to address 788 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: with him. Um No, not right now, honestly. Um, that's 789 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 1: something I think me and Kevin personally should talk about, 790 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,880 Speaker 1: you know, just between us instead of putting it out there. Um, 791 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 1: but you know, we're gonna sit down and you know 792 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,359 Speaker 1: I met with him today. We're gonna have a man 793 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,359 Speaker 1: and man conversation. Uh, nothing negative or anything like that, 794 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 1: but just what can we do to be you know 795 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 1: better offensively and as a team, you know, because you know, 796 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 1: my my next stepping and taking this you know team 797 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,160 Speaker 1: and taking that leadership role is really stepping out there 798 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,280 Speaker 1: and really taking this whole locker room under my wings. 799 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,400 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm looking forward to that. You know, 800 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 1: this year was kind of tough with the you know, 801 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,759 Speaker 1: being in the building, being outside of the building, you know, 802 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,360 Speaker 1: all the different changes and all the unknowns. But you know, 803 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: going into you know, this three season and having a 804 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,880 Speaker 1: you know, pretty clear view or what what we can 805 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,239 Speaker 1: look forward to, I think I can have the opportunity 806 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 1: and that's the role. I want to make sure I 807 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 1: challenge myself and take over a number of places. But 808 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 1: now that you have to lay the Brown need to 809 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,799 Speaker 1: understand the city of the team, how do you feel 810 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: about the choice that you made. I'm not very happy 811 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: with my with my choice. I'm very UM. I love 812 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,920 Speaker 1: being here and I love being in Cleveland. My family 813 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 1: loves coming up here to Cleveland. I love this locker room, 814 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,359 Speaker 1: I love the players, I love the coaching staff. UM. 815 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 1: They made it a lot easy for me to transition 816 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 1: and come in and be the person I need to be. UM. 817 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,320 Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to the improvements I'm looking forward 818 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 1: to with the future host for us and um, you know, 819 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,399 Speaker 1: I'm excited to be in Cleveland Brown and I want 820 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,319 Speaker 1: the best for this city. I want the best for 821 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 1: this organization and everyone in this locker room. So like 822 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: I said before, you know, the ultimate goal is to 823 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: try to get to that Super Bowl. Um. And that's 824 00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 1: what we gotta keep to you to push for. And 825 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 1: we gotta hold ourselves to a higher standard. I gotta 826 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: hold myself to a higher center as a player, as 827 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 1: a player, as a person and as a you know, 828 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 1: as a teammate and as a leader. So you know 829 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,799 Speaker 1: that's what we're going into thinking of. And um, I 830 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,160 Speaker 1: want to continue to have those standards very very high, 831 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:20,280 Speaker 1: and you know, everyone gotta hold me to that center also, UM, 832 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 1: you know, being able to you know, relax a little bit, decompress, um. 833 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,080 Speaker 1: And then you know, once all that, you know pretty much, 834 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: you know, kind of settle down and get back to work. Um. 835 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 1: You know, watching the tate, watching the film master in 836 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,160 Speaker 1: this offense, like I said before, mission, meeting with Kevin 837 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,720 Speaker 1: and a VP and Drew and being able to figure 838 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,759 Speaker 1: out what we need to do better, um, and then 839 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,040 Speaker 1: mastering those before we come back. Fro T s and Sean. Yesterday, 840 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:49,239 Speaker 1: you said that it's unfair to expect you to to 841 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,359 Speaker 1: meet those expectations what you did two thousand, nineteen and 842 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:58,040 Speaker 1: two thousand. So my questions, so, what should people expect 843 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 1: from you next year? Uh? Well, first, I know, I 844 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,040 Speaker 1: don't think I don't remember me saying it was unfair. 845 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,200 Speaker 1: I never said anything about that. Whatever expectations people hold 846 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 1: for me, it's always it's always fair. People have their 847 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 1: own opinions, people have their expectations. I said, for myself, 848 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 1: I just wasn't gonna come in thinking that, you know, 849 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,000 Speaker 1: I'm the best quarterback and I'm just gonna walk in 850 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 1: and win the m v P. I knew that. I'm 851 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,600 Speaker 1: I'm a realist. I know the reality of this game. 852 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,320 Speaker 1: I know how hard it is to be able to 853 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,400 Speaker 1: perform consistently and taking the time off and then stepping 854 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,840 Speaker 1: into a new situation that was gonna be tough to do. 855 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,840 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I can't do it and I 856 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,080 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna be able to do it, but as a realist, 857 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,040 Speaker 1: I knew that it was gonna be some challenges and 858 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,759 Speaker 1: some ups and downs. So for people to sit here 859 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,239 Speaker 1: and say that I was. I said that it was 860 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,920 Speaker 1: unfair for people to criticize me. You know, people have 861 00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 1: it is a fair game. This is a sport of business, 862 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,799 Speaker 1: and you gotta come out and perform. But for me 863 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,160 Speaker 1: to be able to go to this expectations and three, Yeah, 864 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 1: the expectation should be high because we have the talent, 865 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,680 Speaker 1: we have the potential, uh, and we have the people 866 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,919 Speaker 1: and the pieces to be able to you know, meet 867 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 1: those expectations. And we got to make sure we're doing 868 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 1: everything and we can do consistently each and every week 869 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 1: to try to meet those expectations. So there's a transition 870 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,200 Speaker 1: between in the offense between Jacobe and you. How much 871 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:14,919 Speaker 1: more of an adjustment do you think it will be? 872 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,879 Speaker 1: But say heading in the week one of the next scene, Um, yeah, 873 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,759 Speaker 1: I think it'll be uh, you know, a lot, a 874 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,040 Speaker 1: lot smooler because we're kind of you know, know exactly 875 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,160 Speaker 1: where we want to go, you know, me and jaw Kobe, Um, 876 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,480 Speaker 1: you know, came up through you know, different systems. Um, 877 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,040 Speaker 1: he do a little. He do different things that I do, 878 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,799 Speaker 1: and I do different things that he do. Um, But 879 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,800 Speaker 1: you know, he did a very very great job of 880 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,400 Speaker 1: controlling everything he needed to control for this offensive, for 881 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,800 Speaker 1: this system. They didn't make sure they wrapped the offense 882 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,080 Speaker 1: around him so he can be the best he can be. 883 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,719 Speaker 1: And um, he did a very very very very good 884 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,800 Speaker 1: job of handling that and controlling what he can control. 885 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,759 Speaker 1: So you wanted to a a week one that year? You know, 886 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that and being able to really 887 00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,600 Speaker 1: master what I can really do to you know, have 888 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,040 Speaker 1: this offense as as a supposed if as we can do. 889 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,320 Speaker 1: You think the style and the play calls will be 890 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,359 Speaker 1: even more different than the world let's say the final 891 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,680 Speaker 1: few games to you this year? Yeah, most definitely, I 892 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,880 Speaker 1: think it would think it would be totally different. You know, 893 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 1: we're seeing lists of what we wanted to do, but 894 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,560 Speaker 1: you know, I think it'll be a lot different for sure. 895 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:19,440 Speaker 1: You to you guys are very talented team. So my 896 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,880 Speaker 1: question is, with whatever was missing for this team to 897 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,080 Speaker 1: reach its potential this year, what type of role do 898 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,120 Speaker 1: you hope to play or expect to play from a 899 00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:34,439 Speaker 1: leadership standpoint going into next year two? I guess help 900 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,560 Speaker 1: this talent achieve its full potential. I think the biggest 901 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,919 Speaker 1: thing is really just mastering the miners um and doing 902 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,840 Speaker 1: the little things. If we can do the little things, um, 903 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,879 Speaker 1: you know, starting with this team, I think the big 904 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,600 Speaker 1: things can happen. And that might, you know, sound kind 905 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,239 Speaker 1: of cliche, but it's it's the truth. You gotta do 906 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,239 Speaker 1: the little things. We have a young team that is 907 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,600 Speaker 1: still learning how to play on this level. Um, and 908 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: we have a lot of guys that still managing to 909 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,279 Speaker 1: know that week end a week out, you know, every 910 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,319 Speaker 1: team is good, every team is getting paid to do 911 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,759 Speaker 1: what they do, and every team wants to win and um, 912 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,080 Speaker 1: you know, and then that leadership roll up, just really 913 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,560 Speaker 1: banging that confidence to everyone that you know, every time 914 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 1: we step on that field, we can win the game, 915 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,000 Speaker 1: and we're going to win the game, you know, and 916 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,600 Speaker 1: not just hoping that somebody make a play, that everyone 917 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,480 Speaker 1: can make that play. You just gotta be ready for 918 00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,239 Speaker 1: those moments and those opportunities, and you gotta visualize those 919 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,680 Speaker 1: you gotta manifest those opportunities in those moments so when 920 00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,760 Speaker 1: those moments come, you know you can take full advantage 921 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,560 Speaker 1: of it and make those places more of a leadership 922 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,360 Speaker 1: role with the team from the start last year, what 923 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,799 Speaker 1: was the first part sepon that you're you're looking forward 924 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,680 Speaker 1: to taking over a more leadership role, just like being 925 00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,880 Speaker 1: with the team the full year must definitely yeah, you 926 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,000 Speaker 1: know what is it? What will that look like? I mean, 927 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,480 Speaker 1: how could you change things in that role as the 928 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,160 Speaker 1: quarterback of the team and the leader of the team. UM, 929 00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,680 Speaker 1: I mean just being around more. You know, like I said, 930 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,239 Speaker 1: I missed a lot of time because of you know, 931 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,919 Speaker 1: the situation I was dealing with. So you know, being 932 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,680 Speaker 1: around more, having opportunities for people to know who I am, 933 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,560 Speaker 1: have opportunities for people to come where I'm where I'm 934 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,520 Speaker 1: at in the off season. You know, we're meeting up 935 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,879 Speaker 1: as groups, uh in the off season and be able 936 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,759 Speaker 1: to you know, meet in this city to train, to 937 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 1: work out, to hang out, all these different things. And 938 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,359 Speaker 1: you know, this locker room had an opportunity to meet 939 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,799 Speaker 1: me this year, you know, and so uh for me 940 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,920 Speaker 1: to be able to step in and take control. They 941 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,960 Speaker 1: know who I am, to know how I lead, They 942 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,680 Speaker 1: know how I communicate, and you know, I know how 943 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,760 Speaker 1: this team communicating. Each place. Each person has a different 944 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,279 Speaker 1: way of you know, how they handle different situations. So 945 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,080 Speaker 1: with me knowing that and going into that, um, you know, 946 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,319 Speaker 1: going into the off season for the new season. You know, 947 00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,920 Speaker 1: that's what I'm looking forward to. Your questions, person, is 948 00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:57,640 Speaker 1: with today that stability of coaching staff and the organization. 949 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:02,600 Speaker 1: So that's one, and then out of this your off season, 950 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,320 Speaker 1: you know, stopped it, it's gonna take place. What's your mindset, 951 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,279 Speaker 1: what's your approach to having to deal with some of 952 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,680 Speaker 1: that as you move forward to the off Yeah, first off, 953 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,120 Speaker 1: you know, I've only met Joe Woods this year, and 954 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,520 Speaker 1: he's a great man. He's a great coach, he's a 955 00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,680 Speaker 1: he's a he's a great just person in general. And 956 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,640 Speaker 1: the times I've been able to you know, spend with 957 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,359 Speaker 1: him and a sauna of just meeting with him talking ball, 958 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,279 Speaker 1: I know he's gonna land on his feet. He's a 959 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,799 Speaker 1: great man, he's a great person, and whoever gets him 960 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:30,959 Speaker 1: is just going to be very very happy with Joe Wood. 961 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,480 Speaker 1: So and that's out of my control as far as 962 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,960 Speaker 1: you know, coaching and figuring out that situation. My job 963 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,040 Speaker 1: is to lead this team as an offense and making 964 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,720 Speaker 1: sure this locker room is locked in to play whenever 965 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,040 Speaker 1: that time comes. And then uh, with my off season, 966 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,440 Speaker 1: you know, just really um, like I mentioned before, just 967 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,160 Speaker 1: really just kind of you know, relaxing, resetting, and then 968 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,040 Speaker 1: getting back to work as soon as possible. Um, and 969 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,239 Speaker 1: and figuring out what I need to do, watching the 970 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,719 Speaker 1: tape of his last six games, watching what we can 971 00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,160 Speaker 1: do offensively, talking with Kevin a vp U of what 972 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,400 Speaker 1: we want to, what we're looking forward to, and then 973 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,400 Speaker 1: you know, whatever pieces come and join us, you know, 974 00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,000 Speaker 1: being able to get them on board so we can 975 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,560 Speaker 1: all be in sinking on the same page. I meant, Um, 976 00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,760 Speaker 1: your office, you know, you still have two candy shuts 977 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,920 Speaker 1: out there? Is that having you know, is that wing 978 00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,759 Speaker 1: on your mind? And how are you approaching you know that, 979 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,439 Speaker 1: you know, to issues that you still have outstanding? Yeah, 980 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 1: I'm approaching every day just you know, smile my face 981 00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,759 Speaker 1: and just being able to let my attorneys and my 982 00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,320 Speaker 1: lawyers you know, do with that situation. Um. You know, 983 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,360 Speaker 1: I gotta focus on moving forward with uh, you know, 984 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,680 Speaker 1: my career in my life and just you know, let 985 00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,400 Speaker 1: my attorneys und to that situation. So right now I 986 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,719 Speaker 1: can't I can't really speak on I don't know how 987 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,120 Speaker 1: that's gonna goshn I know, if you've been Jadeian, we'rerobably 988 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,319 Speaker 1: some friends before you got here, watching one transpired within 989 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,920 Speaker 1: the last a couple of days. Your feelings on that 990 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,480 Speaker 1: and on's next for him? J D is gonna be good. 991 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 1: I mean he's a great, great teammate, great friend, um, everything, 992 00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,879 Speaker 1: we have a great relationship. Um. I'm definitely gonna of course, 993 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,160 Speaker 1: you know, Sam, because you know, I think he still 994 00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,600 Speaker 1: lives in Houston, so you know, you know we're gonna 995 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,000 Speaker 1: cross paths and hang out and stuff. But you know, 996 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,799 Speaker 1: he's gonna be good. You know, if he's back here, 997 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,880 Speaker 1: then we would love to have him. And if he's not, 998 00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,880 Speaker 1: wherever he lands, he's gonna be great for that organization 999 00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,400 Speaker 1: and that team. So I'm looking forward to to j 1000 00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,040 Speaker 1: D having the opportunity the show that he have, and 1001 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,239 Speaker 1: I'm incided for him. All Right, there's your quarterback to 1002 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,919 Speaker 1: Shaun Watson. Coming up next, your offensive tackle The haff 1003 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,239 Speaker 1: will join us. You'll listen to Cleveland Browns Daily brought 1004 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:28,960 Speaker 1: you by bally Bet, Coming soon to Ohio. I Want 1005 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:37,719 Speaker 1: eight fifty ESPN Cleveland Cleveland Brown's Daily brought to you 1006 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:42,200 Speaker 1: by bally Bet, Coming soon to Ohio On eight fifty ESPN. 1007 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:51,960 Speaker 1: Cleveland Elkin up Serious lawyer, Serious injuries called one in 1008 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,200 Speaker 1: Alk Ohio for a free case for you, Alcinous, A 1009 00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,160 Speaker 1: proud partner of your Cleveland Browns. As we begin hour too, 1010 00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,879 Speaker 1: which means it's the joy of the Joe Thomas Hour 1011 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,680 Speaker 1: on the program, the Hof joining us. Um, Look, these 1012 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:04,759 Speaker 1: days are never fun. You've you've lived through these, you 1013 00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,080 Speaker 1: know what they're all about, Um, not only locker clean 1014 00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,359 Speaker 1: out day, but also the firing of defensive coordinator Joe 1015 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,719 Speaker 1: Woods as well. Joe, UM, take us inside the room 1016 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,480 Speaker 1: on a day like this, what is it like as 1017 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:19,400 Speaker 1: a player? Um, when you see a coach fired? What 1018 00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,200 Speaker 1: is that like? Where does your head go with a 1019 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,080 Speaker 1: day like today? Well, it's always a tough day no 1020 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,680 Speaker 1: matter what. When the season's over and you know that 1021 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:28,880 Speaker 1: this was the last time you got an opportunity to 1022 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,480 Speaker 1: suit it up and play with these brothers that are 1023 00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,640 Speaker 1: around you. I mean, these are guys that you've spent 1024 00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,960 Speaker 1: the last six months with and you've spent more time 1025 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,800 Speaker 1: with them than your own families. Um, so you developed 1026 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,279 Speaker 1: some deep bonds and relationships. And although I think the 1027 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,000 Speaker 1: writing was on the wall for Joe Woods for some 1028 00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,440 Speaker 1: time now, it's still hard when it happens because it 1029 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,960 Speaker 1: becomes real in that moment, and no matter what the 1030 00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,560 Speaker 1: performance was like on the field, there's a human side, 1031 00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,400 Speaker 1: there's a human component, and there's a personal relationship that 1032 00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,280 Speaker 1: it hurts when a person does lose their job because 1033 00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,640 Speaker 1: as a player, I think you immediately start thinking about, 1034 00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,759 Speaker 1: like their family, You start thinking about, all right, the 1035 00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,719 Speaker 1: change in the turmoil now and that person's life and 1036 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,959 Speaker 1: where they're gonna end up and if they're gonna land 1037 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,799 Speaker 1: on their feet. But then you also start thinking about 1038 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,480 Speaker 1: your own future, your own future in Cleveland, possibly your 1039 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,200 Speaker 1: own future somewhere else. What the team's gonna look like, 1040 00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,040 Speaker 1: the uncertainty that's certainly ahead. When you finish the season 1041 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,799 Speaker 1: seven and ten with higher expectations. I mean, I think 1042 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,680 Speaker 1: it was pretty clear when the Deshaun Watson suspension was 1043 00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,680 Speaker 1: up to eleven games that it was gonna be an 1044 00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,640 Speaker 1: uphill battle to make the playoffs. Um, but I think 1045 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,360 Speaker 1: the expectations certainly were higher, especially when you see the 1046 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,200 Speaker 1: talent on this team, and you saw the glimpses at 1047 00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,880 Speaker 1: times of how good this team could be, and you 1048 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,160 Speaker 1: saw that maybe the biggest question mark going into the 1049 00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,920 Speaker 1: season was your quarterback position. Jacoby Brissett, who by all 1050 00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,560 Speaker 1: accounts exceeded everybody's expectation, and so when it happens, I 1051 00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,799 Speaker 1: think the ceiling got raised, and unfortunately it wasn't met. 1052 00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:05,920 Speaker 1: And so that's why this is such a difficult day, 1053 00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:12,400 Speaker 1: and you're seeing some people lose their jobs. Half do players, 1054 00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,279 Speaker 1: and in large party said the writing was on the 1055 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:15,959 Speaker 1: wall and and and I think one of the reasons 1056 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,200 Speaker 1: the writing was on the wall was just defensive busts 1057 00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,200 Speaker 1: that had happened with far too much frequency, you know, 1058 00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,320 Speaker 1: just an inability and in high leverage situations to deliver. 1059 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,799 Speaker 1: We've seen that, you know, even yesterday on three third 1060 00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,680 Speaker 1: and eight or Longers on one drive where he had 1061 00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,680 Speaker 1: a chance down six to really get the ball back 1062 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,719 Speaker 1: and take over this game. But do players, and I 1063 00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,239 Speaker 1: was asking we're talking about earlier, do do players feel 1064 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:41,319 Speaker 1: some accountability to that? Does that like, man, I blew 1065 00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,680 Speaker 1: this and I blew that, and now this guy doesn't 1066 00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,480 Speaker 1: have a job. The good ones do, right, I mean, 1067 00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,839 Speaker 1: That's how I always felt, And I think that's part 1068 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,080 Speaker 1: of the anguish that as a player like you sometimes 1069 00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:53,600 Speaker 1: go through. And you know, I've talked about it a 1070 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,160 Speaker 1: few times about, especially at the end of my career, 1071 00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,920 Speaker 1: kind of the mental hardship that I went through personally, 1072 00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,560 Speaker 1: like my own personal battle. I kept it to myself 1073 00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,480 Speaker 1: and my wife, UM, and then ended up speaking with 1074 00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,600 Speaker 1: the therapists that the Browns offer, UM and that really helped. 1075 00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:13,560 Speaker 1: But like you feel responsibility even when you feel like 1076 00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:17,799 Speaker 1: you're you're mostly doing your job, if you're a competitor 1077 00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,960 Speaker 1: and you're a professional and you're a perfectionist, like I was, 1078 00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:22,879 Speaker 1: like some of the guys in that locker room were 1079 00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,719 Speaker 1: you instantly are thinking back in your head like what 1080 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,160 Speaker 1: could I have done better? What did I miss that? 1081 00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,920 Speaker 1: Maybe it wasn't the reason that got somebody else fired 1082 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,040 Speaker 1: and lost their job, but certainly, like did a contribute 1083 00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,719 Speaker 1: to it? And you beat yourself up over that, um. 1084 00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,719 Speaker 1: And so honestly, like, those are the guys you want 1085 00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,719 Speaker 1: in your locker room, right because it's meaningful. Those are 1086 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,200 Speaker 1: the guys that are building meaningful relationships with their teammates 1087 00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,560 Speaker 1: and their coaches, and it's important to them. It's more 1088 00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,640 Speaker 1: than just a paycheck, you know. And the guys that 1089 00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,239 Speaker 1: are like, no, whatever, you know, good riddance. Let's let's 1090 00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,600 Speaker 1: wash their bands clean of those dudes, get them out 1091 00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:02,520 Speaker 1: of here and start building a winning culture or hopefully 1092 00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,960 Speaker 1: continue to build maybe what's already been started in some areas, 1093 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,239 Speaker 1: but cut the cancers out and get moving forward in 1094 00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,040 Speaker 1: the right direction with the guys that you can build 1095 00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,960 Speaker 1: a champion with. Al Right, if I'm gonna assume that 1096 00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,600 Speaker 1: whoever gets this defensive coordinator job is going to be 1097 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,320 Speaker 1: smart with their scheme and and understand that. So what 1098 00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,240 Speaker 1: traits would you do you think, given everything you know 1099 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,960 Speaker 1: about this organization, this team, it's inability to maybe realize 1100 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,320 Speaker 1: its potential one of the most important traits that you 1101 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:34,200 Speaker 1: want to see in this defensive coordinator higher. Yeah, I agree. 1102 00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,520 Speaker 1: I I don't think scheme is the issue. You know. 1103 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,840 Speaker 1: I thought the scheme that Joe Woods ran was good 1104 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,240 Speaker 1: for the personnel, right, he likes a lot of sub packages, 1105 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,160 Speaker 1: like that's kind of his m o um. I think 1106 00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,240 Speaker 1: he was hindered by defensive line play, like that was 1107 00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,040 Speaker 1: one of the things we sort of overlooked a little bit, 1108 00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,000 Speaker 1: but we kind of assumed, like, hey, we're building this 1109 00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:55,640 Speaker 1: team to play with the lead. It reminds me of 1110 00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,880 Speaker 1: the Colts that I used to play against, Like they 1111 00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,800 Speaker 1: didn't care about giving up the run game they had. 1112 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,760 Speaker 1: I need defensive tackles. They were just trying to rush 1113 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,320 Speaker 1: the quarterback, and I think our defense was trying to 1114 00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,920 Speaker 1: rush the quarterback and be able to handle the Lamar 1115 00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,920 Speaker 1: Jackson's inns in the league, the Joe Burrows in our 1116 00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,840 Speaker 1: division that could run and can beat you with a 1117 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,840 Speaker 1: bunch of receivers. So that's kind of why we were 1118 00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,200 Speaker 1: built with like the nickel dime defense in mind, and 1119 00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,600 Speaker 1: that's who Joe Woods was so schematically, I don't think 1120 00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,680 Speaker 1: that's the issue. But what I want to see is 1121 00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,320 Speaker 1: I want to see leadership and communication, like those are 1122 00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:32,480 Speaker 1: the two things throughout the whole team, but specifically on defense. 1123 00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,480 Speaker 1: You know, you've got to find a guy in that room, 1124 00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,440 Speaker 1: whether it's a player or whether it's a coach, that 1125 00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,640 Speaker 1: wants to be the heartbeat of that side of the football. Um, 1126 00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,560 Speaker 1: it doesn't always have to be a player. And Myles 1127 00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:49,480 Speaker 1: Garrett is one of the best defensive players certainly the 1128 00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,400 Speaker 1: Browns have ever had, and I think when his career 1129 00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,560 Speaker 1: is set, all said and done, he's gonna be one 1130 00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,919 Speaker 1: of the greatest defensive players the NFL has ever seen. 1131 00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,240 Speaker 1: But he's not the most vocal guy, which is fine 1132 00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,440 Speaker 1: that people lead in different ways. I was and always 1133 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,840 Speaker 1: the most vocal, certainly to the media, right. I was 1134 00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:05,480 Speaker 1: a little more vocal in the locker room, but I 1135 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,320 Speaker 1: wasn't a role Rod guy either. Miles is not a 1136 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,520 Speaker 1: big role Roy guy. But like, you have to have 1137 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,880 Speaker 1: some element of that somewhere, Like when when I played 1138 00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:19,520 Speaker 1: to Coell Jackson was a more vocal person, especially on 1139 00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,800 Speaker 1: the defensive side of the football. Uh, Christian Kirksey was 1140 00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,280 Speaker 1: that guy at times. Like So, whether that comes from 1141 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,640 Speaker 1: a coach or a player, I think it would help 1142 00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,800 Speaker 1: from a communication standpoint, from a leadership standpoint when things 1143 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,040 Speaker 1: are going a little bit sideways, to have somebody who 1144 00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,880 Speaker 1: can be that voice that everybody looks too in those moments, 1145 00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,320 Speaker 1: whether it be encouraging them or kicking them in the butt. 1146 00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,920 Speaker 1: Like I think that would be a big help to 1147 00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,960 Speaker 1: have somebody on that defensive side of the football that 1148 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,840 Speaker 1: has that in their DNA. Joe, when you when you 1149 00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,760 Speaker 1: make a coordinator change and you have to go out 1150 00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:57,200 Speaker 1: and find the new guy, and you went over some 1151 00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,280 Speaker 1: of the characteristics and similar ones that Nathan and I 1152 00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,840 Speaker 1: talked about early. You're in the show. Um, the question 1153 01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,080 Speaker 1: I had was, how difficult is it to come into 1154 01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,520 Speaker 1: an operation that has already established. Um, this will be 1155 01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,360 Speaker 1: You know, if you're not going to year four for 1156 01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,400 Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski next year, how difficult is it to especially 1157 01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,040 Speaker 1: if there's not previous relationship a lot of the names 1158 01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,520 Speaker 1: that are out there, whether it's Floridas or Jared Mayo 1159 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:26,360 Speaker 1: or there's a assistant defensive coordinator in Seattle. Um, yeah, 1160 01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,880 Speaker 1: so how difficult is it to make that all work 1161 01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,080 Speaker 1: and speak the same laguage and all row in the 1162 01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,040 Speaker 1: same direction when you're brought in midstream the way this 1163 01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:38,480 Speaker 1: one's going to be. I don't think it's too difficult, 1164 01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,360 Speaker 1: especially on the defensive side of the football. Offensive football 1165 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,960 Speaker 1: is so much more about like details and scheme and 1166 01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,720 Speaker 1: like these tiny little differences on every single play and 1167 01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,040 Speaker 1: what the defense does can change one play into a 1168 01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,480 Speaker 1: million different things. But defense is about getting guys lined up, 1169 01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,880 Speaker 1: disguising pre snap, making sure they're communicating, they're all on 1170 01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,400 Speaker 1: the same page, and then reacting and really wants the 1171 01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,360 Speaker 1: ball is snap app It becomes more about the culture 1172 01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,920 Speaker 1: that you've built in that locker room on the defensive 1173 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,000 Speaker 1: side of the football, and less about like the defensive 1174 01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,240 Speaker 1: terminology and things like that, because you're trying to teach 1175 01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,560 Speaker 1: him to play a certain way. And that's what as 1176 01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,040 Speaker 1: you're talking about, maybe this something this person from Seattle. 1177 01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:20,280 Speaker 1: Like like I said, I I haven't dove into possibilities 1178 01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:24,000 Speaker 1: because Joe Wood's just got relieved of visionities today. However, 1179 01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,200 Speaker 1: what Pete Carroll has been great about forever, it's not 1180 01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,520 Speaker 1: the scheme. It's not like he's running some cutting edge 1181 01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,320 Speaker 1: scheme that nobody's ever seen before. But he's built a 1182 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,480 Speaker 1: culture and guys buying and they play a certain way 1183 01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,680 Speaker 1: so when the ball gets snapped, no matter where they are, 1184 01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,440 Speaker 1: they know how to play. It's swarm to the football, 1185 01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,760 Speaker 1: it's gang tackle. It's the technique of the tackle that 1186 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,600 Speaker 1: we use like it's the communication that happens on the field, 1187 01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:51,440 Speaker 1: and understanding how important certain things aren't prioritizing everything from hey, 1188 01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,400 Speaker 1: this can never happen, so no matter what happens, we 1189 01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,200 Speaker 1: don't screw up a call, We don't let somebody get 1190 01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,280 Speaker 1: behind us in critical moments in the game. Under Standing 1191 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:04,680 Speaker 1: situational football like those are the tenants of what Seattle 1192 01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,920 Speaker 1: has had on defense forever. And so I think being 1193 01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,600 Speaker 1: able to instill that culture and install that culture on 1194 01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:15,040 Speaker 1: the defensive side of the football is probably something that 1195 01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,880 Speaker 1: can honestly be done through the off season and through 1196 01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,400 Speaker 1: training camp, and so I wouldn't see that as a 1197 01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:24,960 Speaker 1: big impediment to turning this defense around into what we 1198 01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,440 Speaker 1: think it can be, which is a top five defense 1199 01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,400 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Half when you would go to the 1200 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,320 Speaker 1: Pro Bowls, I know, as a student of the game, 1201 01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,600 Speaker 1: and maybe it was you know, more relaxation this, But 1202 01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,760 Speaker 1: did you ever kind of because there's something to the Steelers, right, 1203 01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,320 Speaker 1: there's something to the Ravens. Did you ever kind of 1204 01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,720 Speaker 1: pick the brain of some of your division mates or 1205 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,880 Speaker 1: even of the other successful teams and be like, just 1206 01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,040 Speaker 1: kind of what what is the difference? What is that culture? 1207 01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:52,000 Speaker 1: Because it's clear if you have nineteen straight non losing 1208 01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,360 Speaker 1: seasons since now sixteen straight from Mike Tomlin as a 1209 01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,959 Speaker 1: head coach, that doesn't happen by accident. That's not luck 1210 01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,439 Speaker 1: Like everybody's playing the NFL drafting doing all that. There's 1211 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,560 Speaker 1: something about that culture that is different that lends itself 1212 01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,120 Speaker 1: to winning in the success Yeah, I did, I mean, 1213 01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,320 Speaker 1: and that's the cool thing. What used to be cool 1214 01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,240 Speaker 1: about playing in the Pro Bowl? I mean, now they 1215 01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,440 Speaker 1: have the Pro Bowl games, which who the hell knows 1216 01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:17,160 Speaker 1: what that means. But when you were actually playing all 1217 01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,600 Speaker 1: game and you'd go out and practice with these dudes 1218 01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,480 Speaker 1: and you'd be drinking my ties around the hotel pool 1219 01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,480 Speaker 1: with guys like Peyton Manning and Dwight Freeney and James Harrison, 1220 01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,120 Speaker 1: you had a chance to say, like, hey, man, we 1221 01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,560 Speaker 1: stunk this year. What are you guys doing over there? 1222 01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,640 Speaker 1: Like how do you maintain that level of success? And 1223 01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:37,000 Speaker 1: you know, when I boil it all down to, it's 1224 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,560 Speaker 1: a few things, right. One is the coach's ability to 1225 01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:44,760 Speaker 1: communicate not only to the players, but he's communicating his 1226 01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,080 Speaker 1: standards to his coaching staff. And that starts in a 1227 01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:54,520 Speaker 1: very hierarchical manner where it's head coach coordinators, coordinators communicating 1228 01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:59,160 Speaker 1: to the position coaches, position coaches communicating to their players. 1229 01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,400 Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the most important things 1230 01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,520 Speaker 1: that a head coach does is understanding, all, right, what's 1231 01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,480 Speaker 1: the big picture? How do we come up with our 1232 01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,840 Speaker 1: game plan and our vision in the off season, and 1233 01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,240 Speaker 1: then how do I make sure I clearly and concisely 1234 01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:17,400 Speaker 1: communicate that to my coaching staff so that they're teaching 1235 01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,360 Speaker 1: the things that I want to my players so that 1236 01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:24,400 Speaker 1: we're seeing it on Sundays um Now. Obviously, part of 1237 01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,000 Speaker 1: the consistent success is if you have a great quarterback 1238 01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,560 Speaker 1: like Tom Brady, r Paid Manning or Ben Roethlisberger. Like 1239 01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,800 Speaker 1: that's a big part of it. There's no doubt it's 1240 01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:35,680 Speaker 1: impossible to win consistently if you don't have a Tier 1241 01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,680 Speaker 1: one franchise quarterback. But one thing I will say is 1242 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:40,560 Speaker 1: when you do have that quarterback and you do have 1243 01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:44,680 Speaker 1: some success or sustained success, the ability to have the 1244 01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,400 Speaker 1: same coaching staff for a long time, it makes a 1245 01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:51,000 Speaker 1: big difference because when a when a team is coming 1246 01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,760 Speaker 1: in and the players are new, they're not learning kindergarten 1247 01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,520 Speaker 1: level stuff on day one and then day two they're 1248 01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,800 Speaker 1: building upon that like they're being in and they're building 1249 01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,360 Speaker 1: upon the stuff that they learned from three years ago 1250 01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,520 Speaker 1: with the staff. And on top of that, the coaches 1251 01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,920 Speaker 1: they know what the expectations are in every situation from 1252 01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,240 Speaker 1: their head coach. They're not going back to the meeting 1253 01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:17,400 Speaker 1: and being like, hey, coach, uh, we're kind of new. 1254 01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,240 Speaker 1: We've haven't worked together for all that long. My player 1255 01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,240 Speaker 1: had a question for me about this, and I didn't 1256 01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,840 Speaker 1: have the answer, I gotta go to you, right, Like 1257 01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,840 Speaker 1: I guarantee the assistance that have been with Bill Belichick 1258 01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,720 Speaker 1: for a long time, they know the answer to every 1259 01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,080 Speaker 1: question their players can get from them, and it's certainly 1260 01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,880 Speaker 1: not coming from their brain. It was coming from Belichick's brain. 1261 01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,080 Speaker 1: But they're like little mini robots running around. And I 1262 01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,600 Speaker 1: guess part of the reason that Belichick, in my opinion, 1263 01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,880 Speaker 1: disciples have had almost no success being their own head 1264 01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,320 Speaker 1: coaches because he kind of takes these guys that are 1265 01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,840 Speaker 1: smart and brings them in and instead of giving him 1266 01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:51,960 Speaker 1: creative freedom to kind of learn a little bit on 1267 01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,320 Speaker 1: their own, you know, he basically just tells them this 1268 01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,360 Speaker 1: is what you're gonna learn. This is what you're gonna 1269 01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,640 Speaker 1: tell those guys, and they're just a conduit to be 1270 01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,440 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick's brain, and I don't think they ever kind 1271 01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,640 Speaker 1: of developed their own way of thinking. A lot of 1272 01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,200 Speaker 1: times Rabel will be in the exception though, because he 1273 01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,320 Speaker 1: played played for a lot of guys, coach for other dudes, 1274 01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:11,200 Speaker 1: and so you can kind of pull upon your own 1275 01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,720 Speaker 1: experiences and you become your own person a little bit. 1276 01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:17,240 Speaker 1: The other thing, Rabel's a dude, He's a dude, and 1277 01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,480 Speaker 1: Florence was Floren' was successful nicely and he's a dude 1278 01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:22,840 Speaker 1: and has kind of that same command causes alph as 1279 01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:27,840 Speaker 1: it gets Yeah, what a what an exchange, by the way, 1280 01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:32,800 Speaker 1: was involved in um. Nonetheless, Half, I sent you on 1281 01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:37,120 Speaker 1: Instagram what I considered to be the most impressive footage 1282 01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,720 Speaker 1: I've ever seen of the Haffs playing career. And it's 1283 01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,720 Speaker 1: in the context of a Ben Roethlisburger's Pro Bowl story 1284 01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:46,480 Speaker 1: about Jeff Saturday, which is hilarious and disgusting. But in 1285 01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,760 Speaker 1: the clip that is used in this interview, Half, I 1286 01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,920 Speaker 1: never realized you did this. You were playing right tackle 1287 01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,360 Speaker 1: in the Pro Bowl, and boy did it look natural 1288 01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,240 Speaker 1: like you had played right tackle for your whole career. 1289 01:06:58,400 --> 01:06:59,960 Speaker 1: So I don't want to hear any of this left 1290 01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:04,320 Speaker 1: to write you made it look like you made it 1291 01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,800 Speaker 1: look easy. I'm gonna have to check that out. First 1292 01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:10,520 Speaker 1: of all, I'm very new to Instagram, so I'm still 1293 01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,880 Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to like it. Yeah, I 1294 01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,520 Speaker 1: don't know how to get there. I'm gonna have to 1295 01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:17,560 Speaker 1: have my kids show me how to get there and 1296 01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,000 Speaker 1: check it out. But it is true. So occasionally in 1297 01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,280 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl especially as I was a wee lad 1298 01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:26,280 Speaker 1: or as I was volunteering for service to God and country. 1299 01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,080 Speaker 1: When we'd have three left tackles that were Pro Bowl tackles, 1300 01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,000 Speaker 1: like somebody had to go over there and play right tackle, 1301 01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:33,840 Speaker 1: and none of us had the experience when you're the 1302 01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:37,800 Speaker 1: young guy you were conscripted to go over there. When 1303 01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,440 Speaker 1: it was like me and Tyrant Smith and like another 1304 01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,320 Speaker 1: old dude. I can't remember who the other tackle was. 1305 01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,160 Speaker 1: Maybe it's what worth. Uh. We were like all kind 1306 01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,400 Speaker 1: of about the same age, and so we just went 1307 01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:49,840 Speaker 1: on a rotation. We're like, all right, everyone has to 1308 01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,520 Speaker 1: fall on the sword for at least two or three 1309 01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,280 Speaker 1: drives per game, and you have to go out there, 1310 01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:56,680 Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what you can do it when 1311 01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:00,920 Speaker 1: dudes are playing about. But when j Watts coming off 1312 01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,720 Speaker 1: the edge and there's live bullets flying, that's a different 1313 01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,120 Speaker 1: ball game, all right. I just texted it too, so 1314 01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:07,320 Speaker 1: you won't have to do you don't have to go 1315 01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,959 Speaker 1: I can do that, all right. We'll get hoffs. Take 1316 01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:14,440 Speaker 1: on yesterday's loss of the six games with the Shawn Watson, 1317 01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,519 Speaker 1: what does he make it at the offense of chemistry? 1318 01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:18,920 Speaker 1: Heading into the off season, we will continue with Joe 1319 01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,320 Speaker 1: Thomas and Joe Thomas Our Cleveland Browns Daily brought to 1320 01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,000 Speaker 1: you by Baally Bet Coming soon to Ohio on ESPN 1321 01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:31,400 Speaker 1: Cleveland Cleveland Browns Daily brought to you by Bally Bet, 1322 01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:41,640 Speaker 1: Coming soon to Ohio on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland All 1323 01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:43,800 Speaker 1: Height Listen Clevan Brown's Daily brought you by Baally Bet, 1324 01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,400 Speaker 1: Coming soon to Ohio. The Joe Thomas hour of the program. 1325 01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:48,400 Speaker 1: This from Albert Brier. In the last five minutes or so, 1326 01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,400 Speaker 1: the Browns are scheduling interview with x Lions coach Jim 1327 01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:54,800 Speaker 1: Schwartz for the defensive coordinator opening. Per sources. Cleveland's also 1328 01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:58,719 Speaker 1: put requests in for Steelers assistant Brian Flores and Patriots 1329 01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:00,760 Speaker 1: linebacker coach Jared Mayo. And there was also the guy 1330 01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,360 Speaker 1: who was a defensive coordinator in Chicago and he was 1331 01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:08,679 Speaker 1: the name of Shani So he's the associate head coach 1332 01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,240 Speaker 1: for Seattle right now. That's four on the list as 1333 01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:14,080 Speaker 1: of now. In Shorts, of course, spent some time with 1334 01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,040 Speaker 1: the Browns under Bill Belichick. He was part of that 1335 01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:18,879 Speaker 1: huge that's for people that were all here under Bill Belichick. 1336 01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:20,760 Speaker 1: But I think at that time he was like a 1337 01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:24,040 Speaker 1: quality control guy. Yeah, that's probably about as much coaching 1338 01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,719 Speaker 1: talent as ever has been on one like Bill Walsh 1339 01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:28,519 Speaker 1: would have had some in the early eighties that would 1340 01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:32,320 Speaker 1: have been close. But it's pretty pretty way way up there, certainly. Um, 1341 01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:33,960 Speaker 1: all right, let's I mean, this game is kind of 1342 01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:37,080 Speaker 1: a microcosm, isn't it. Joe of the season? Um, just 1343 01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,640 Speaker 1: bad at the end of half, not clutch turnovers when 1344 01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:44,120 Speaker 1: they can't be bus on third down, bus and coverage. Um. 1345 01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:46,040 Speaker 1: Kind of the whole season rolled into one game, and 1346 01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:50,120 Speaker 1: unfortunately at Pittsburgh. Absolutely, I mean, it was one of 1347 01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,599 Speaker 1: those games where you felt like, if the Browns show 1348 01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:57,160 Speaker 1: up and play reasonably like they've played since Deshaun Watson 1349 01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:59,920 Speaker 1: has been back, they should win this game. Because while 1350 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,760 Speaker 1: the Steelers are well coached and they've got a good 1351 01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:05,439 Speaker 1: defense and at times Kenny Pickett plays good football, and 1352 01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:07,280 Speaker 1: they've got some other things to get excited about, you 1353 01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,920 Speaker 1: still feel like the talent gap between us and them 1354 01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:15,280 Speaker 1: is in our favor. And I think when you make mistakes, 1355 01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:19,639 Speaker 1: specifically turnovers in huge coverage busts, it's hard to beat anybody. 1356 01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:21,680 Speaker 1: I Mean, the NFL is super competitive and as much 1357 01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:23,800 Speaker 1: as you want to poo poo the teams that are 1358 01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,280 Speaker 1: at the bottom, like the Colts and the Texans, like, 1359 01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:30,439 Speaker 1: if you don't play at your best any week, like, 1360 01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,360 Speaker 1: they got plenty of dudes that can beat your dudes. 1361 01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:35,080 Speaker 1: This is the ultimate League of parody. So you've got 1362 01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,200 Speaker 1: to be ready to be at your best every week, 1363 01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:41,080 Speaker 1: and if you're not, you're gonna get beat. Yeah, and 1364 01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,280 Speaker 1: in many ways, as I said, this game was a 1365 01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:45,760 Speaker 1: microcosm of everything. Right, get out to a nice lead, 1366 01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,559 Speaker 1: you're feeling good, you're up seven going into the two 1367 01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,479 Speaker 1: minute morning bust turnover. All of a sudden, you're down 1368 01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,120 Speaker 1: ten to seven going in a half. You cut it 1369 01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,960 Speaker 1: to twenty fourteen, and then you give up three third 1370 01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,439 Speaker 1: and eight or longers on one drive to back up 1371 01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:03,040 Speaker 1: third string tight end rookies who would not been factors 1372 01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:05,680 Speaker 1: at any point. Friar Muth goes down and all of 1373 01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:07,280 Speaker 1: a sudden, this guy lights you up in a one 1374 01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,559 Speaker 1: on one with a quarter, Like, that's a matchup you've 1375 01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:11,840 Speaker 1: got to win. And I think you know, it's too 1376 01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,200 Speaker 1: often that we just didn't win when we needed to. 1377 01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:17,760 Speaker 1: We talked about that high leverage situations NFL comes down 1378 01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,639 Speaker 1: to you know, four or five high leverage situations, big plays, 1379 01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,519 Speaker 1: money downs, whatever you want to call it. We are 1380 01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:25,720 Speaker 1: on the wrong side of those far too often, and 1381 01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:29,080 Speaker 1: hence seven and ten. I think that's one of the 1382 01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:31,280 Speaker 1: things that Kevin Stefancy is going to need to do 1383 01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:35,840 Speaker 1: some soul searching about this offseason, is, Hey, why were 1384 01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:39,200 Speaker 1: we not good in those high leverage gotta have a 1385 01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:42,519 Speaker 1: game on the line situations. And you know, part of 1386 01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,599 Speaker 1: me wants to say, well, it's still a pretty young 1387 01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,920 Speaker 1: team and generally speaking, to get good at those situations 1388 01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,080 Speaker 1: when you've got to be prepared, but to like having 1389 01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:54,479 Speaker 1: that experience in game moments makes a big difference because 1390 01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:56,560 Speaker 1: that's where you really have that growth and you have 1391 01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,960 Speaker 1: that understanding of being able to make decisions that are 1392 01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:03,760 Speaker 1: quick that maybe things you didn't even practice, but you 1393 01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:05,760 Speaker 1: can kind of reflect back on, Oh, that's how we 1394 01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,360 Speaker 1: did it five six years ago, and you can do 1395 01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:08,479 Speaker 1: it in the moment. You don't have to go to 1396 01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:11,600 Speaker 1: the sidelines and get a correction from your coach and 1397 01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:13,760 Speaker 1: then go out and figure it out. And that's what 1398 01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:15,720 Speaker 1: those moments are all about. But at the same time, 1399 01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:19,000 Speaker 1: maybe there's something and how we prepare and how we 1400 01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:23,920 Speaker 1: coach those situations in our situational football, that's not allowing 1401 01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:27,080 Speaker 1: us to be great in those moments. Now, I will 1402 01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:30,720 Speaker 1: say the best team forever since I've been in the 1403 01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:34,200 Speaker 1: NFL or paying close attention, was Bill Belichick in New England. 1404 01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:36,840 Speaker 1: And now they've got a pretty young team and their 1405 01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,160 Speaker 1: quarterbacks not as good as the one they used to have, 1406 01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:41,519 Speaker 1: and they've been bad in those situations. So it's not 1407 01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,720 Speaker 1: like coaching is everything in that moment, right. It's a 1408 01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,479 Speaker 1: blend of coaching and the experience that your players have, 1409 01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,800 Speaker 1: and then obviously the talent that your players have. But 1410 01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,720 Speaker 1: as Kevin looks back on the season and tries to 1411 01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:54,479 Speaker 1: figure out how do we get better in those moments, 1412 01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:59,840 Speaker 1: I think you've got to critically analyze all those three segments. Yeah, 1413 01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,360 Speaker 1: you do, and and one of the things that's that's 1414 01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:03,920 Speaker 1: got to get sorted out, and you'll have the full 1415 01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:05,640 Speaker 1: off season to do so. And I do think this 1416 01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,600 Speaker 1: is important, Joe, And maybe this was more common in 1417 01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:10,800 Speaker 1: your time. This is my fifth season, but it felt 1418 01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:12,920 Speaker 1: like when this season was over, the quarterback would get 1419 01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:14,559 Speaker 1: on a plane and then we'd see him again in June. 1420 01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:18,840 Speaker 1: Uh Deshan's sticking around, so he'll be here this off season, Um, 1421 01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:21,479 Speaker 1: first one since I've been here, Z. I don't know 1422 01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:23,160 Speaker 1: how common it was before that, but to have the 1423 01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:26,479 Speaker 1: quarterbacks stick around the entire off season, that seems noteworthy 1424 01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,000 Speaker 1: to me. Um, I can't think of one half did 1425 01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:32,160 Speaker 1: you did you play with anybody who did that? Maybe Howyer? 1426 01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:37,080 Speaker 1: I don't in that situation, I can't remember, so damn 1427 01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:39,080 Speaker 1: hard to think back. Got all those years sure of 1428 01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:43,479 Speaker 1: quarterbacks that I don't remember how many times like we 1429 01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,360 Speaker 1: finished the season with a starter and everybody knew he 1430 01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:48,920 Speaker 1: was going to be the start of the next year, right, Yeah, 1431 01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:55,240 Speaker 1: but that seems significant seven to eight, maybe thousand seven, 1432 01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:59,200 Speaker 1: that's I can remember. You could see Brady sticking around 1433 01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:00,760 Speaker 1: because he would have been a key going into his 1434 01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:05,280 Speaker 1: second you know, potentially that is it's rare, and it's 1435 01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:08,720 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. He's a dude, yeah, um so. But but 1436 01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:12,679 Speaker 1: operation will be getting him to play like he played 1437 01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,240 Speaker 1: in Houston and we saw flashes. Um, what do you 1438 01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:18,960 Speaker 1: make of the six games with Watson? I think you 1439 01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:23,439 Speaker 1: saw flashes, but not enough consistency. And my biggest point 1440 01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:25,600 Speaker 1: that I think they're gonna need to improve on is 1441 01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:29,439 Speaker 1: just making plays within the pocket, I think because things 1442 01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:33,120 Speaker 1: were not always crystal clear in Deshawn's mind when he 1443 01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:35,519 Speaker 1: was looking at the defense. Now, whether that was just 1444 01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:38,120 Speaker 1: from having a lot of rust, or being new to 1445 01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:41,760 Speaker 1: this system, or just being generally new with these receivers, 1446 01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:45,160 Speaker 1: his default is to scramble around and try to make 1447 01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:47,040 Speaker 1: a play, which he is really good at. But there's 1448 01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,639 Speaker 1: gotta be a healthy balance of making throws on time 1449 01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:54,320 Speaker 1: in the pocket and then beating the defense by getting 1450 01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:57,280 Speaker 1: outside the pocket and extending the plays, because you're the 1451 01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:01,000 Speaker 1: most dangerous when you extend plays, not every time, right, 1452 01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:03,680 Speaker 1: because if you're always extending plays, then defenses can be 1453 01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,240 Speaker 1: called like you saw a little bit with Pittsburgh where 1454 01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,400 Speaker 1: they're like, hey, we're only gonna rush three, and then 1455 01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:11,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna try to confuse you with different robbers and 1456 01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:14,040 Speaker 1: spies and things like that to be in positions you 1457 01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:17,360 Speaker 1: don't expect when you are doing your scrambled drill, because 1458 01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,720 Speaker 1: scramble drill is a little bit more predictable. Like, hey, 1459 01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:21,439 Speaker 1: if the quarterback breaks out to the right and starts 1460 01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,040 Speaker 1: running the right sideline, everybody's gonna kind of follow him, 1461 01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,240 Speaker 1: Like those are those are things that you saw even 1462 01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,360 Speaker 1: on their pass rush like they were trying to take 1463 01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:32,960 Speaker 1: the defensive end over our left tackle and Russian sort 1464 01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:36,600 Speaker 1: of down the inside half of Jeddrick to try to 1465 01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:39,519 Speaker 1: collapse the pocket there, rush t j up the field 1466 01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:41,360 Speaker 1: and try to get to Shawn to run to his left, 1467 01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:44,519 Speaker 1: which is obviously harder when you're a right handed quarterback. 1468 01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,759 Speaker 1: So like when he starts making those plays in the pocket, 1469 01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:51,120 Speaker 1: now that's what opens up the opportunity to escape the 1470 01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:54,000 Speaker 1: pocket for some of those big plays. So I think 1471 01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,759 Speaker 1: just getting more comfortable with the offense, getting more comfortable 1472 01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:00,400 Speaker 1: throwing to the receivers, and then getting that decision, making 1473 01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:02,920 Speaker 1: that clock in his head to go off a little 1474 01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:04,840 Speaker 1: quicker and to be able to hit some of these 1475 01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,800 Speaker 1: rhythm throws in the pocket will make things a lot 1476 01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:10,200 Speaker 1: better when he does try to extend the plane get 1477 01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:13,439 Speaker 1: outside the pocket. Yeah, I think you're you hit the 1478 01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:15,479 Speaker 1: nail on the head. They're not surprisingly you are the half. 1479 01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:17,080 Speaker 1: This is the four things that I kind of wrote 1480 01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,760 Speaker 1: down that you know, it feels like we need to 1481 01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,479 Speaker 1: add some kind of maybe air raid type principles to 1482 01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:25,080 Speaker 1: our offense half, you know, because that is what he 1483 01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:28,400 Speaker 1: is comfortable with. And so to have that blend. What 1484 01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:31,040 Speaker 1: do you think of that? Yeah, I think so too. 1485 01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,120 Speaker 1: And and that's one of the things that I'm excited 1486 01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:36,120 Speaker 1: about having to Shawn with Kevin the whole offseason is like, 1487 01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:38,200 Speaker 1: what do you think they're gonna do? I mean, you 1488 01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:40,400 Speaker 1: can only throw for forty five minutes or an hour 1489 01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:42,240 Speaker 1: a day, but then you're gonna spend time with your 1490 01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:47,320 Speaker 1: coach watching film, having lunch, talking football, talking about Hey, 1491 01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:49,360 Speaker 1: what do you think about this concept? Hey, let's let's 1492 01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:51,360 Speaker 1: throw on some of that Arizona film and watch some 1493 01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:52,960 Speaker 1: of the stuff. Hey, do you think it could be 1494 01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,320 Speaker 1: pretty good at We think we got the weapons to 1495 01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:57,880 Speaker 1: be able to do some of these concepts to maybe 1496 01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:01,559 Speaker 1: sprinkle this in. Like I think got two or three 1497 01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:04,720 Speaker 1: months before guys are full, you know, really back in 1498 01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,200 Speaker 1: the building with O T. S before they have to 1499 01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,760 Speaker 1: have concrete idea of like all right, this is what 1500 01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,960 Speaker 1: we're installing they want of O T A S. So 1501 01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:14,559 Speaker 1: you've got a lot of time to kind of tinker 1502 01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,719 Speaker 1: with the offense and both those guys using their brains 1503 01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,360 Speaker 1: and their experience, coming up with some new concepts. And 1504 01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:24,040 Speaker 1: I think the air raid fits perfectly with our personnels. Yeah. 1505 01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,320 Speaker 1: I also I thought wrote down scrambled drill, and I 1506 01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:28,000 Speaker 1: think that's not just for the wide receivers as you 1507 01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:30,040 Speaker 1: talked about the past catches, but for the line like 1508 01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:32,960 Speaker 1: how many times did they probably weren't getting worked like 1509 01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:35,599 Speaker 1: this with Jacoby Brisset and it wasn't anything they've never 1510 01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:38,000 Speaker 1: had to deal with this. Frankly, I was thinking, you know, 1511 01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:40,479 Speaker 1: Joel's probably and even as long as he's been here, 1512 01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:42,040 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit with Johnny, but I don't know 1513 01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:44,160 Speaker 1: how much scrambled drill you guys were doing with him, 1514 01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:46,280 Speaker 1: and he was certainly different than to Sean and the 1515 01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,160 Speaker 1: ability to do that. And then you know, I was 1516 01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:51,600 Speaker 1: saying a speed receiver. Even on the big play to 1517 01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:55,680 Speaker 1: a Mari Cooper, which happened from structure, it was when 1518 01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:58,439 Speaker 1: Darden came in the motion and then hit that post. 1519 01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:00,400 Speaker 1: Out of that motion, he took two eyes with him 1520 01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:02,160 Speaker 1: because I think he got on them so quick they're 1521 01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:05,240 Speaker 1: like whoa, and they both dropped deep and that creates 1522 01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:07,640 Speaker 1: that opening. I just think having a speed receiver is 1523 01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,920 Speaker 1: gonna be critical for this football team and for to 1524 01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:14,160 Speaker 1: sewn well. If you've got a guy that's turning and 1525 01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:17,000 Speaker 1: running down the field when it's scramble drill. Now, what 1526 01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:18,439 Speaker 1: do you think the defense is going to have to do? 1527 01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,360 Speaker 1: What do you think they've been coached on all week? Hey, 1528 01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:23,200 Speaker 1: as soon as de Sean gets out of the pocket, 1529 01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,280 Speaker 1: I want to make sure both of my safetyes or 1530 01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:28,240 Speaker 1: maybe my safety in my corners are deeper than the deepest. Like, 1531 01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:30,479 Speaker 1: you can't let them beat us in the scramble drill 1532 01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,840 Speaker 1: with these seventy yard bombs down the field. I mean, 1533 01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:36,680 Speaker 1: we've seen homes forever see how much underneath stuff that 1534 01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:41,800 Speaker 1: opened having those guys afraid bite. To me, that's the 1535 01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:45,080 Speaker 1: big difference between my homes this year and last year. 1536 01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:48,880 Speaker 1: Everybody wanted to play him and cover two because of 1537 01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:51,439 Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill and because how much you wanted to throw 1538 01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:54,640 Speaker 1: the ball down the field. Which that works, but it 1539 01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:56,679 Speaker 1: opens up a lot of stuff underneath, but my homes 1540 01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:58,160 Speaker 1: didn't want to take it. Didn't want to take the 1541 01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:00,479 Speaker 1: easy stuff, but it was there. But how he's working 1542 01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:01,960 Speaker 1: in the middle of the field, and then that opens 1543 01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:03,880 Speaker 1: up the rest of the stuff. So having a guy 1544 01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:08,519 Speaker 1: that scares defenses, especially when DeShawn leaves the pocket, would 1545 01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,400 Speaker 1: make things so much easier. And we've seen the development 1546 01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:14,080 Speaker 1: of the chief with a lot of the intermediate stuff, like, 1547 01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:16,840 Speaker 1: imagine how deadly that connection is going to be when 1548 01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:19,200 Speaker 1: you've got a guy that's taken the top off the defense, 1549 01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:25,320 Speaker 1: that scared defensive coordinators about the seventy yard bombs. Yeah. Absolutely, 1550 01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:27,360 Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be a fun off season to go 1551 01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:29,200 Speaker 1: through all these things. If we can check every box 1552 01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:31,800 Speaker 1: that needs to be checked there, we'll go around week 1553 01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:34,160 Speaker 1: eighteen with the hops. Some of the coaching hires and 1554 01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:36,719 Speaker 1: fires will rather fires that have happened in the playoffs 1555 01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:38,880 Speaker 1: are set. That's all coming up next us to the 1556 01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:41,200 Speaker 1: Joe Thomas Hour. Cleveland Browns Daily brought to you by 1557 01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:50,599 Speaker 1: Bally Bet, Coming soon Ohio and ESPN Cleveland. Cleveland Brown's 1558 01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:53,120 Speaker 1: Daily brought to you by Bally Bet, Coming soon to 1559 01:19:53,240 --> 01:20:06,879 Speaker 1: Ohio on ESPN Cleveland. Be part of the most passionate 1560 01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:08,519 Speaker 1: fan base in the NFL. Joined the Browns. He's a 1561 01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:10,960 Speaker 1: ticket member. Waitless today the best chance of skering tickets 1562 01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:13,000 Speaker 1: for all home games in future seasons. Don't miss out. 1563 01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,240 Speaker 1: Go to Cleveland Browns dot com slash tickets. We call 1564 01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:19,400 Speaker 1: fo to reserve your spot today. It is the Joe 1565 01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:22,080 Speaker 1: Thomas Our of the program. He has been known as 1566 01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:25,360 Speaker 1: the hof on this show for a very very long time, 1567 01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:28,479 Speaker 1: and a step closer to making that a reality on 1568 01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,200 Speaker 1: the professional football side already is that on the college 1569 01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:34,360 Speaker 1: football side. His former teammate Joel Betonio had this to 1570 01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:38,000 Speaker 1: say about the half, besides possibly having to play in 1571 01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:43,360 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame game, Um, it's it's it's huge. Now. 1572 01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:45,720 Speaker 1: I mean to have a teammate, you know, have a 1573 01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,920 Speaker 1: teammate that that's gonna make the Hall of Fame is 1574 01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:52,240 Speaker 1: pretty big special and he deserves it. He Um, you know, 1575 01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:54,360 Speaker 1: one of the best left tackles ever play, especially for 1576 01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:56,840 Speaker 1: his generation. So it'll be it'll be really cool to 1577 01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:58,280 Speaker 1: see it. And hopefully I can get out of camp 1578 01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:00,400 Speaker 1: or something go see him getting duck to this ceremony. 1579 01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:04,640 Speaker 1: That's pretty good. That's great. Half is that is that 1580 01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:06,479 Speaker 1: the one pin of twine of guilt you might have 1581 01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:07,760 Speaker 1: that these guys have to play in the Hall of 1582 01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:12,760 Speaker 1: Fame game. I definitely owe these boys a mission, barbecue 1583 01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,400 Speaker 1: meal or a couple for making them come in early 1584 01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:18,320 Speaker 1: to work. So that was one of the few benefits 1585 01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:22,120 Speaker 1: of being on a crappy team for eleven years was 1586 01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:23,960 Speaker 1: we never had to play in the Hall of Fame game, 1587 01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:26,680 Speaker 1: And for those that don't know, when you play in 1588 01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:30,639 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame game, that's the first NFL preseason game. 1589 01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:33,200 Speaker 1: And the rules in the NFL, at least when I 1590 01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:36,400 Speaker 1: was in the NFL, was like fifteen days before your 1591 01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:39,439 Speaker 1: first preseason game is when camp started. So like if 1592 01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:43,120 Speaker 1: your first preseason game was August ten, you'd start fifteen 1593 01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:46,080 Speaker 1: days before that. And then if August tent was like 1594 01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:49,200 Speaker 1: the opening weekend of preseason, the NFL Hall of Fame 1595 01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:51,320 Speaker 1: game was like the week before, so basically you had 1596 01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:54,640 Speaker 1: an extra week of preseason, and so you lost a 1597 01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:57,439 Speaker 1: week of your summer, which is like gold bricks when 1598 01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:00,240 Speaker 1: you're an NFL player, because you're getting done like mid 1599 01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,560 Speaker 1: to late June, and then you usually get four to 1600 01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:05,080 Speaker 1: six weeks at the most. We get to go home, 1601 01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:07,479 Speaker 1: you're training on your own, you get to see your family, 1602 01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:10,720 Speaker 1: your friends. But every day that you get closer to 1603 01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:12,719 Speaker 1: the start of training camp, it's like one day closer 1604 01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:15,479 Speaker 1: walking the green mile to the electric chair, because you know, 1605 01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:18,640 Speaker 1: for the next six months, your life basically that was 1606 01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:20,880 Speaker 1: outside of football doesn't exist. You don't have friends, you 1607 01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:22,920 Speaker 1: don't have family, you don't have hobbies. All you do 1608 01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:26,040 Speaker 1: is football. Uh so, I do feel sorry that when 1609 01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:28,680 Speaker 1: I do get in the Hall of Fame, eventually those 1610 01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:30,519 Speaker 1: poor boys are gonna probably have to play the Hall 1611 01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:33,760 Speaker 1: of Fame game. Well, listen, I think, by the way, 1612 01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:37,559 Speaker 1: two things. Number one, it's an extra week with your boys, 1613 01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:43,560 Speaker 1: an extra week to for a championship season in not 1614 01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:46,799 Speaker 1: playing in the game. No, he's certainly not playing anyway, 1615 01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:48,559 Speaker 1: he's gonna stand there. But I like what you said, 1616 01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,320 Speaker 1: there are no hobbies. I think that is something that 1617 01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:52,880 Speaker 1: I want. You need to deliver that message a little bit. 1618 01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:54,280 Speaker 1: I think that should be part of your speech. No 1619 01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:59,680 Speaker 1: hobbies allowed. Football, you want to you want to wear 1620 01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:03,320 Speaker 1: the gold jacket, No hobbits, no free can't wait. I 1621 01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,839 Speaker 1: cannot wait to see you working some sort of tractor 1622 01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:09,639 Speaker 1: or the cows in the gold jacket. I can't wait 1623 01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:12,400 Speaker 1: to see that happens. Amazing fishing in the gold jacket. 1624 01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:15,800 Speaker 1: It's gonna be unbelievable. It's so exciting. Um, we we 1625 01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,160 Speaker 1: have a playoff picture that by the way, I mean, 1626 01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:21,080 Speaker 1: you continue to join us from Wisconsin. How about that 1627 01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:28,760 Speaker 1: Lambeau at home? You lose for the Lions? What the hell? Off. 1628 01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:31,559 Speaker 1: That can't happen up there? How did that happen? What's 1629 01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:35,360 Speaker 1: the temperature up there? The temperature is very hot. There's 1630 01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:38,120 Speaker 1: a lot of Aaron Rodgers anger right now and obviously 1631 01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:41,200 Speaker 1: can't play the place everything on him. But for the 1632 01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:45,640 Speaker 1: last what to three years, this whole franchise has been 1633 01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:48,800 Speaker 1: sort of in turmoil about Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers this 1634 01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:50,559 Speaker 1: and that, and you know, when he was playing at 1635 01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:53,080 Speaker 1: an m v P level, you can excuse some of 1636 01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:57,559 Speaker 1: the silliness and the foolishness. But this year he didn't 1637 01:23:57,560 --> 01:23:59,560 Speaker 1: play all that well. And so there's a lot of 1638 01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,640 Speaker 1: people in Wisconsin that are not very happy. My my 1639 01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:06,400 Speaker 1: college roommates. One is a Lions fan, one's a Bears fan, 1640 01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,479 Speaker 1: and then I got two Packers fans, and so we're 1641 01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:11,040 Speaker 1: on like a text group. And let me tell you, 1642 01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:14,400 Speaker 1: it's been real fiery the last twelve hours. A lot 1643 01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:19,439 Speaker 1: of people relishing in the fact that Aaron Rodgers may 1644 01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,519 Speaker 1: have lost his last game as a Packer at home 1645 01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:26,160 Speaker 1: to the lowly Lions. Did you read into the fact 1646 01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:28,439 Speaker 1: that Jamison Williams asked him for the jersey and he said, 1647 01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:29,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep this one. Do you do you read 1648 01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:33,120 Speaker 1: into that? Man? Uh? Well, first of all, I think 1649 01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:36,720 Speaker 1: Jamison Williams is a total bozo for doing that that. 1650 01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:39,360 Speaker 1: First of all, the whole jersey trading thing irks me 1651 01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:42,320 Speaker 1: from the start. I never did it because it one, 1652 01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:45,200 Speaker 1: it makes the job of the poor equipment managers and 1653 01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:48,160 Speaker 1: the seamstress like impossible to make you a new jersey 1654 01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:51,360 Speaker 1: every week so that you can trade your practice squad 1655 01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:53,720 Speaker 1: jersey with some dude that never played. What are you 1656 01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:57,080 Speaker 1: gonna do with forty practice squad jerseys when when it's 1657 01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:59,320 Speaker 1: all done, jersey doesn't exactly take up a little bit 1658 01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:02,120 Speaker 1: of space on the wall. I mean, I got like 1659 01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,479 Speaker 1: three jerseys up in my whole house, and I got 1660 01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:07,560 Speaker 1: a fairly large house that it doesn't have room for 1661 01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:09,600 Speaker 1: any more jersey? So what do you do with all 1662 01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:12,120 Speaker 1: these jerseys? Second of all, there all yours. Well, there's 1663 01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:16,599 Speaker 1: a couple other I gotta jersey. It's a Jim Brown 1664 01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:21,160 Speaker 1: that's signed by Jim Brown Autogram and me, which there's 1665 01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:23,280 Speaker 1: a story behind that. It was not I didn't signed 1666 01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:25,960 Speaker 1: my own jersey, but I got it as a gift 1667 01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:28,479 Speaker 1: from somebody else. So let's just put it put that. 1668 01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:36,920 Speaker 1: Let's put that one on the farm seals no big deal. Yeah, yeah, 1669 01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:39,160 Speaker 1: so that's that's a cool one. But I'm like, what 1670 01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:41,240 Speaker 1: are we gonna do with all these jerseys? Second of all, 1671 01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:43,840 Speaker 1: you see that a lot where it's like you have 1672 01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:46,280 Speaker 1: not put enough pelts on the wall to go up 1673 01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:50,000 Speaker 1: to Aaron Rodgers his jersey, his game war in Jersey, 1674 01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:52,240 Speaker 1: maybe his last game as a Packer, and you're gonna 1675 01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:55,200 Speaker 1: walk up because one of two things. One you either 1676 01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,559 Speaker 1: think you're on his level, which is a big problem, 1677 01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:00,320 Speaker 1: or two you know you're not on this and he 1678 01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:03,559 Speaker 1: doesn't give a crap about your jersey, and you're basically 1679 01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:06,920 Speaker 1: just asking him for one of his most prized possessions. 1680 01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:09,519 Speaker 1: Like can you imagine if whatever your most prized possession 1681 01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:13,479 Speaker 1: is like a memory of your relic, of your athletic career, 1682 01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:16,320 Speaker 1: your life. And somebody, just some boso just walked up 1683 01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:18,200 Speaker 1: and was like, can I have that from you? Like, no, 1684 01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:21,840 Speaker 1: get out of your yea, Yeah, I agree with you 1685 01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:24,959 Speaker 1: that there's a man has got to know his limitation. 1686 01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:27,120 Speaker 1: Like I was trying a rookie wide receiver growing up 1687 01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:29,200 Speaker 1: as good as James Williams is going to be that, 1688 01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:31,439 Speaker 1: ain't it? Man? I was trying to think if Christian 1689 01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:33,760 Speaker 1: Watson's jersey switched those. I was trying to think if 1690 01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:37,720 Speaker 1: there's anybody on the Lions team they even could have 1691 01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:39,760 Speaker 1: made that. The only guy that I think it would 1692 01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,799 Speaker 1: have been okay for is that was a Kirby Joseph, 1693 01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:45,439 Speaker 1: the guy that picked him off three times this year. 1694 01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:49,000 Speaker 1: Nobody's ever picked him off in their career in that game, 1695 01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:50,599 Speaker 1: and he's the only one who's an He did three 1696 01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:52,840 Speaker 1: times this season, and he had a fourth wipe off. 1697 01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,320 Speaker 1: I have garbage penalty. That would have been I think 1698 01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:57,880 Speaker 1: if Barry Sanders came out of the crowd and he yeah, 1699 01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:00,040 Speaker 1: that would be an appropriate jersey swap. And it's a 1700 01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:02,200 Speaker 1: tough the crazy thing with right. I mean, Rogers won 1701 01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:05,719 Speaker 1: the MVP last year. I know it was a quick, quick, 1702 01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:08,360 Speaker 1: quick fall off. Um oh my gosh, I can't believe 1703 01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:09,639 Speaker 1: we're out of time. There's so many things I want 1704 01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:11,160 Speaker 1: to I want to keep talking to them, just going 1705 01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:14,120 Speaker 1: to keep talking to so much more joy, more fun. 1706 01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:16,479 Speaker 1: Is this? It is this? It? We're done with the off? 1707 01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:18,040 Speaker 1: This is it? We can't have more hoff in the 1708 01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:20,519 Speaker 1: next month, is say, I'm sure we'll find some time, 1709 01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:22,240 Speaker 1: but in terms of the Joe Thomas Hour. This is 1710 01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:25,479 Speaker 1: do we need to have? Do we need a super 1711 01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:27,680 Speaker 1: Bowl prediction now? Or can we wait for that as 1712 01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:31,160 Speaker 1: we go? Yeah, we'll be on again. There will be 1713 01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:33,880 Speaker 1: more time for for some joy here for sure. I 1714 01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:35,639 Speaker 1: feel like a little like my one of my kids, 1715 01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:40,479 Speaker 1: and like can timmy stay another night longer? Let me 1716 01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,680 Speaker 1: finish this game? Dad did just one more gamef God 1717 01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:46,720 Speaker 1: bless you. Thanks for your time, buddy, guys, It's been great, 1718 01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:49,280 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on. Lots of fun. Excited to 1719 01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:52,599 Speaker 1: reconnect soon and talk about the playoffs and the super Bowl, 1720 01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:55,599 Speaker 1: which certainly will be an exciting run to the Super 1721 01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:57,640 Speaker 1: bowls year. And yeah, I will leave you with this. 1722 01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:00,800 Speaker 1: Gibby has passed you and over unders for second place. 1723 01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:06,479 Speaker 1: You're now a game about I'm not I'm not coming 1724 01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:08,599 Speaker 1: on anymore. You need to look at them there. You've 1725 01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:14,880 Speaker 1: got too many hobbies right now. Lock it up, all right, Thanks, guys, 1726 01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:20,600 Speaker 1: I feel terrible. Oh so much more to cover you. 1727 01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:22,759 Speaker 1: Listen to Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to you by by 1728 01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:31,840 Speaker 1: Bet Coming Ohio. Cleveland Cleveland Brown's Daily brought to you 1729 01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:36,879 Speaker 1: by Boallely Bet Coming Soon to Ohio on ESPN Cleveland. 1730 01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:45,479 Speaker 1: I just wanted to, um, I want to read over 1731 01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:47,880 Speaker 1: some numbers here as we close out, which is I mean, 1732 01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:49,680 Speaker 1: it's always pure joy to talk to half, but but 1733 01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,920 Speaker 1: also just some things to an appreciation if you will. 1734 01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:58,960 Speaker 1: Five yards, twelve touchdowns, five yards to carry pretty good, Chubb? 1735 01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:03,920 Speaker 1: So Nick, uh, second Brown ever over yards joining Jim Brown. 1736 01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:08,920 Speaker 1: We've heard of him. First first player ever ever to 1737 01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:12,320 Speaker 1: have more than a hundred carries in five straight seasons 1738 01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:15,160 Speaker 1: and average five yards per carried or more in each 1739 01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:18,639 Speaker 1: of those seasons. First player ever, not just first five seasons, 1740 01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:21,720 Speaker 1: any five seasons in a row ever, and he did 1741 01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:25,280 Speaker 1: his first five seasons in the NFL. He's unbelievable. Yeah, 1742 01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:29,280 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just an incredible year out of Nick Chubb. Obviously, 1743 01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:31,840 Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of news all off season long. 1744 01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:34,400 Speaker 1: We'll get a little bit more into the locker clean 1745 01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:36,760 Speaker 1: out day uh coming up tomorrow, some of the things 1746 01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:38,479 Speaker 1: some of our guys said. We will dig into that, 1747 01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:40,599 Speaker 1: and we'll continue to keep our eye on the NFL. 1748 01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:46,240 Speaker 1: Score for tonight, Georgia TCU TCU covers. It's thirteen and 1749 01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:49,599 Speaker 1: a half. Georgia wins back to back national titles. That's 1750 01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:52,599 Speaker 1: honestly the least appealing national championship game, and since he've 1751 01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:54,360 Speaker 1: been doing it, doesn't even feel like it's happening. And 1752 01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,360 Speaker 1: if it had been Ohio State in Michigan both won 1753 01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:59,360 Speaker 1: their respective games, it would have been. I don't think 1754 01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:01,479 Speaker 1: he'll do well in the ratings either. No, it's it's 1755 01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:02,880 Speaker 1: gonna be tough. How big would it have been if 1756 01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:04,880 Speaker 1: it was boxing? As big as can be? That's what 1757 01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:07,680 Speaker 1: I think would have um. Alright, the next level coming 1758 01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:09,559 Speaker 1: up next. Thanks for listen already Clean the Browns Daily 1759 01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:11,599 Speaker 1: brought to you by Ballybad Coming soon, Ohio. On eight 1760 01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:17,400 Speaker 1: fifty ESPN Cleveland. 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