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Speaker 2: Welcome to off the Cup, my personal anti anxiety antidote.

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Speaker 2: You know, I talk a lot on this podcast about

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Speaker 2: mental health, and that's for you, that's for listeners primarily.

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Speaker 2: I believe firmly that the more we talk about mental health,

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Speaker 2: that's the point for me this pod. While it's not

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Speaker 1: What I want.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to come up naturally in conversation and not

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Speaker 3: Can I talk about this?

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Speaker 2: And so I love giving my guests and my listeners

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Speaker 3: It is also for me. My life in the.

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Speaker 2: News is taxing. The news is triggering for me, which

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Speaker 2: is really convenient. It's my job and it can feel

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Speaker 2: Isla Fisher in Wedding crashers. She's like, I'll find you. Seriously,

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Speaker 2: that is how it feels sometimes. So this pod Off

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Speaker 2: the Cup is truly a gift to me as well.

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Speaker 2: I love it so much. Getting to talk to interesting

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Speaker 3: It is awesome.

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Speaker 2: So thank you for tuning in, And today I have

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Speaker 2: one of those awesome, interesting, talented, brave guests. He's an

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Speaker 3: Now it's Jonathan Shack. Welcome to Off the Cup.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for doing this. I'm really excited for this

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Speaker 1: After that lead, and I'm very very curious to see

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Speaker 3: You're gonna be, You're gonna be.

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Speaker 2: I just did one yesterday, and I'm reminded of this

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Speaker 2: We will get there. But first, I love that thing

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Speaker 3: Was it a big turning point for you in your career?

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Speaker 1: You know, at the time it was not that big

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Speaker 1: So one stops me and tells me how much I

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Speaker 2: I use very frequently in my text conversations the.

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Speaker 3: Meme of I quit, I quit, I quit.

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Speaker 3: Yes, alone in his principles for a reason.

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Speaker 2: You were alone in your principles because you believed in

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Speaker 1: What they would do is like for the big fair scene,

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Speaker 1: It was magic? I mean we had a line going

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm not a musician, but I'm just glad that

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Speaker 2: Just to be an inspiration to someone that's that's awesome.

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Speaker 3: Well, the movie is perfect. It is magic, And I

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Speaker 3: what kind of kid were you?

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Speaker 1: I was a little guy, always smaller than everybody, always

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Speaker 2: Okay, were you funny? Were you did you were you

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Speaker 3: Were you performative?

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Speaker 1: and so you use another actor and put their voice

440
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 1: over my voice, and for the whole film for the

441
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,120
Speaker 1: whole film, huh. So I thought that was the end

442
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: of my acting career. The first thing I ever did,

443
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 1: and this whole experience, and I didn't think anyone would

444
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 1: ever believes, like, you know, the psychology behind what he did. Yeah,

445
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 1: I just was determined. After that, I got a great

446
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: agent and she she was great, My manager was great,

447
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: and they just worked really hard to get me more opportunities.

448
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 1: And then I won American Quiote and then I had

449
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 1: the great opportunity with Tom Hanks. So it was kind

450
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 1: of like I put it in the back and you know, Franco,

451
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 1: I tell you this, this is such a great story man.

452
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 1: He called me up and his producers called me up

453
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 1: when they had dinner with me, and I'm on the

454
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 1: cover of Vanity Fair and I'm like, what does he want?

455
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 1: Like inside me, I'm like, oh, what does this guy want?

456
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 1: Like he wants to sit down with me? Like does

457
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 1: he want to apologize? You know what? What what should

458
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: I do? Yeah? I said, Oh, though I'm not scared

459
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: of him, I can't do anything to me. So I

460
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 1: went and it was just me and Franco having dinner

461
00:22:53,920 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: and he said, I'm sorry what I did you one

462
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 1: of the loves of my life. And I was like, wow, hey, buddy, like,

463
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 1: where are you coming up with this stuff? And I

464
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: after I spoke out, I learned that Franco was molested

465
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: by a priest and he had done this to every

466
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: young actor and had this type of like compelling, you know,

467
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: pulling of art like he had. That was the relationship

468
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: he had with Wisconte and this priest. You know, throughout

469
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: the whole life, this priest was always point. Became his

470
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 1: friend and started to try to get him to make

471
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 1: a movie about Jesus, which he did. It was like

472
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: that you read this history, You're like, of course he

473
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: tortured Jonathan, That's exactly who he was. He was Wow. Yeah,

474
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: So so ask questions because I know that wasn't the

475
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: most articulate thing in the world, but I think that

476
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 1: we Oh, no.

477
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 3: It was, and it was very brave to share that. Again,

478
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 3: how did this trauma impact you down the road because

479
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 3: you didn't You didn't sort of deal with it in

480
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 3: the moment, which is what most people do, right.

481
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: They don't deal with it in the moment. They kind

482
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: of hope to put back, but it comes up, right.

483
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 2: I mean, how does it manifest later in your life?

484
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 1: You know, it caused me to try to mask a

485
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: lot of the pain that I had inside. I was

486
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: frightened of auditions. You could imagine. Yeah, it was psychology

487
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: behind me auditioning. It was just like and I built

488
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 1: this this world around it, and it was I've come

489
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: to realize it's shame. It's not that I was guilty

490
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 1: of anything that I was just I was this a

491
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: horrible human being inside. There's something really wrong with me,

492
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 1: and that I was just dyslexic. That had a big

493
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: thing to do with it. So I couldn't always do

494
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 1: things the way that people did them. I've grown to

495
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: know that that's probably the greatest gift that I could

496
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: have given as an ackor But in the time, it

497
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: was like a hell, the shame, and I just couldn't

498
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't understand it was what that was. And I

499
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: would I would drink, I would use drugs and use sex. Yeah,

500
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: constantly numbing myself so that I wouldn't have this or

501
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: that I would feel really horrible about myself. And that

502
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 1: was my state of living.

503
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, right right, And did you eventually get therapy where

504
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 2: you got to unpack us with a professional.

505
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So after two divorces and finding the love

506
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,479
Speaker 1: of my life and having a child, I was I

507
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: was willing and able to go inside and I did

508
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: something called brain spotting for the abuse and d m R. Yeah,

509
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: that's what it is. Yep. So I did that for

510
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: about six months of my life. After I spoke out.

511
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: So I was like, oh my god, what did I

512
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: just do? I better just as.

513
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, some work. But was that liberating speaking out?

514
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: It was? But it in the world, like you know,

515
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: you expect like people like people would say good things

516
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 1: like that was very brave. But then other people would

517
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: be like, what a fuck an idiot? Why would you

518
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: say something like that? Now, now your competitors are just

519
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: could take your jobs. They're not going to hire you

520
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: any Macha roles, you know that kind of stuff.

521
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 3: Really you heard that?

522
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: Oh man, I had I lost my best friend. He

523
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: just didn't want to have He didn't want to hear

524
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: any of it. Why do you think, Well, obviously it

525
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: was something mirrored in him that he didn't deal with.

526
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: And I mean, I'd love to unpack that for him,

527
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: but it's not my job. No, And I was you know,

528
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: the other thing is I was in my I'm sober,

529
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: so I I really started working the steps had great sponsors.

530
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: I had more than one sponsor because I moved here,

531
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: and they really helped unpack all of it.

532
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

533
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you.

534
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: Hear from people? But when you spoke out? Did you

535
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 2: hear from people? Conversely? Who said that? Gave me courage

536
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: to speak out myself?

537
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: Yes, I reach out. I had a preacher in he

538
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: in New York. The same thing happened with Zephyrrelli him. Yes,

539
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: I mean I he was like, verbatim, this happened to me,

540
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: exactly what you wrote. That happened to me. He did that.

541
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 3: Wow, I know that. You also spoke to.

542
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: Rose McGowan. Oh yeah, how did that happen? So me

543
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: and Rose very it's beautiful putting it all together. You like,

544
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: think of the right after I'd made the Zephyrelli movie,

545
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: I won the role of the Xavier Read and then

546
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: Rose came into the audition process and she won the

547
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: role of Amy Blue. So we were we had to

548
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: made this movie together. Yeah, and it was like her

549
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: first experience and I just came from this really thing.

550
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, it was just like but you know

551
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: what I've always just loved her so much. She was

552
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: so brave, and I thought she was very good at

553
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: what she did, and she did very She became very

554
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: popular after that, very successful, and did very well as

555
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: an actress. And when she spoke out about Harvey or Twitter,

556
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: you know, I was a Twitter. Yeah, I just went

557
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: what And then she described what had happened. And that's

558
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: really I remember saying to my wife, like that happened

559
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, same thing that what she was expressing

560
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: in a very articulate and you know a deeper level

561
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: of like understanding psychology. And I reached out to her

562
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: and she was right there with me. She said, well,

563
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, what do you need? Tell me some suggestions.

564
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: And I helped, you know, we helped each other throughout

565
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: the whole experience. And yeah, very tight. She is my sister.

566
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: She's a warrior. You gotta get her on your show, right.

567
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: Well, I love her, and you're right, I do.

568
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: But I covered the Me Too movement a lot at CNN.

569
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: I covered it a lot, and of course I had

570
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: had my own stories. But I remember walking through CNN

571
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 2: through the old bureau building in New York, and I

572
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: saw her in a green room and I Remember I

573
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: looked at her, she looked at me.

574
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 3: There was this knowing glance. I broke down in tears.

575
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: I gave her a hug and I just said thank

576
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: you for saying what you said and doing what you've done.

577
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: And then after that I told my stories because I

578
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: just felt I had gotten power through us Moses from her,

579
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 2: because she's like that, she's her. Her feeling of empowerment

580
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: is infectious. When you're around it, you just want to

581
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: be as brave as she is.

582
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what happened, right, Yeah, yeah, I.

583
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: Should reach out to her.

584
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: Didn't a similar thing happen to Brendan Fraser and Terry

585
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: Crews other men have come out.

586
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: You know, there's a part of me when that because

587
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: it destroyed my life so much and it was such

588
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: a big secret that when Terry, you know, the more

589
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: I have thought about what happened to Terry and what

590
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: happened to Brendan in public and then having the vot

591
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: like the being courageous and saying you can't do that

592
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: in public, right, they didn't have all this uh you know,

593
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: torture like like like what Baby Reindeer went through. Then

594
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: you see that, Yeah, he really broke that down to incredible,

595
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: Like he didn't have that, They didn't have these inner

596
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: demons that destroyed their lives. They had this thing that

597
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: they shared with and it was really strong for everyone

598
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: who had gone through it. Yeah, Terry was so supportive

599
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: of me. It's such a big way. You know. He

600
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: kept telling me to try to get louder. You get loud.

601
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: I can't get loud.

602
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 3: No, we can't all get as loud as to right.

603
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 3: That's great though.

604
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: So I was. I was a big part of that

605
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: me Too movement. I was always in those meetings with

606
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: SAG I get part of it. I helped organize this

607
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,479
Speaker 1: big committee with all these big powerhouse Terry being one

608
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: and trying to you know, trying to make rules that

609
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: would empower actors.

610
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

611
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: Streen Actors Guild, and that's basically what it was, is

612
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: that you're allowed to speak up. Yeah, you know what,

613
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: the more I thought about it, that's that's it. Because

614
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: if they they silence you, and they keep you silenced

615
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: a predator, you're you're in trouble. But if you're aboud

616
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: to speak out, careful what they do, it'll be cautious

617
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: to what they're doing.

618
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a little I think Me Too was really

619
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: impactful and important, but I don't think it's done.

620
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 3: And I know in my business ie things have gotten

621
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 3: a little bit better.

622
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: But what still happens is if you talk, if you

623
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: speak out about someone, you're generally just not hired again.

624
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: And that's the that's the rub for us. Because Me

625
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: Too led a lot of people in my business to

626
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: speak out, a lot of them never got hired again.

627
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,719
Speaker 2: And so we still have to make the choice do

628
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: I speak out or do I want to keep my job?

629
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 3: And that sucks. That's the sucky part in my business.

630
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: That's what we JAGU do and SAG is empowered person

631
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: go this happened. It doesn't mean that we need to

632
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: eliminate this individual. Yeah, we just need to regulate this individual,

633
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: but to make sure that that whatever that they did

634
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: to me never happens again. You know. So if someone

635
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: if someone had done that with Franco, yeah, I wouldn't

636
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: have been abused, right right, So that's the thing you

637
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: read the way out, and then you can't be alone

638
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: in that. You need support in that, right, Yes, you

639
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: don't lose your job. That's the tricky rub right there.

640
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 3: It is tricky, but thank you for sharing that the

641
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 3: first time and again with me. I appreciate it.

642
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think we shared some stuff that I've been

643
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: wanting to talk about, so I appreciate it very much.

644
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: Oh I'm glad. Then I'm glad. Well we're not done.

645
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: Let's move on to some better things. Winona Ryder, Jessica Lang,

646
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: Gwyneth Paltrow, Live Tyler. You've worked with some very talented women.

647
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 2: Who's your favorite female acting partner Jessica Lang.

648
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, why, well, she taught me everything I needed to know.

649
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god, she was just like she would tell

650
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: me just straight up. They said I was doing wrong? Really,

651
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she is brilliant and she really she I

652
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: don't even know how she does that with everyone, but

653
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: she did it with me. She was my mother in it,

654
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: so that's great.

655
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 3: What was the story with Ellen DeGeneres. You would go

656
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 3: to public events with her?

657
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: What was that is crazy?

658
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: Yeah?

659
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean my manager came to me one day

660
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: and said, Ellen has a TV show, wasn't her talk show?

661
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: And she's afraid that you know too, for the public

662
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: to think that she's gay, and she'd like for you

663
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: to be her date. And I was like, and I

664
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: loved her. She was awesome Jesus, but.

665
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 3: You didn't know her or you didn't know her.

666
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: We were with the same manager, so I was always

667
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: around her and we always got along. So well, okay,

668
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: well I would take her on the red carpet and

669
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 1: hold her hand and never forget the days he kissed

670
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: me on the bread and yeah, it was right around

671
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: the time with the whole Zephyr Eli thing. I always

672
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: wanted to tell Ellen when I happened.

673
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 3: You never got to tell Ellen.

674
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: Never got to tell Alan. I would have liked to

675
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: share that with her because I was you can imagine

676
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: then I was hiding her see her shame right, Yeah,

677
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: in my shame. I didn't know what it was. I

678
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: really needed to talk to someone about it. Yeah. Well

679
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: she was a great person, I had to and your

680
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: most interesting thing of all that, and then watching her

681
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: become very successful after and so she came out. She

682
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: was rich, she was very successful. You know, she was

683
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: in great relationships. She was healthy in her relationships to

684
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: a degree, but like it seemed like she had everything,

685
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: but what she really didn't have was love, love for herself.

686
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: So when she when Anne Hash and her started dating

687
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: and I don't know if this exactly happened. I'm pretty

688
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: certain this Anne was basically like, you you're with me,

689
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: You're with me. The old world needs to know, right like,

690
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: you're not gonna go out with him, here with me.

691
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: And I think that was kind of the way it happened.

692
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: And it made her really like look at herself a

693
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: different way. And then they broke up. And then it

694
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,720
Speaker 1: broke up. She went into a very dark period whereas

695
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: never got this. I hardly ever saw her after that.

696
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: And then she came out with the talk show and

697
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: she became this beautiful human being that people didn't realize,

698
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 1: you know, she was gay anymore.

699
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 3: They just thought you didn't care.

700
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't care, which was really good for us.

701
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah as a society.

702
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 3: Of course, are you still friendly?

703
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: When I moved I moved to Nashville, Tennessee, I tried

704
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: really hard to reach out to her so that if

705
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: it was the last time I would ever see her,

706
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: that I could say goodbye to her. And I wasn't

707
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: able to do that. We're gonna have dinner, and then

708
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: it fell apart and then she's you know, she's retreated

709
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: wherever she is now. Well, hopefully you get that chance

710
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: to talk. I did. I had a beautiful moment. It

711
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 1: was in the It was in the garage at Soho

712
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: and she pulled up in her Porsche. She goes, Jonathan,

713
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: I was with my little boy and I was like

714
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: he ended like yeah, Porsia like was. I was like, hi,

715
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: poor John, Jonathan, oh man, you know friends with Ellen

716
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,959
Speaker 1: for such a long time, and this wait, I said,

717
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: this is my little miracle, you know, this is my own.

718
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: She was so sweet. Then she had had a new idea.

719
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 3: She was yeah, right, that's nice.

720
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: Though, Maybe that was the closure that I needed.

721
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 3: Maybe, yeah, yeah, oh that's great. Up next, what's the

722
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 3: story behind the leather coat? Guy? More with Jonathan Check

723
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 3: Tell me about Blue Ridge.

724
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: So, Blue Ridge is a beautiful series. It's it's a

725
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: series that I can watch it with my eleven year

726
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: old son and my eighty eight five year old father

727
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: and everyone's going to have to do time watching it,

728
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: and you can watch it. My wife can watch it

729
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of romance in it as well. Okay,

730
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: but the beautiful thing about Blue Ridge is it came

731
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: to me after I left Hollywood. I didn't want to

732
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: have anything to do with the process of Hollywood anymore,

733
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: and I knew it wasn't working for me. And I

734
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: called up five of my friends, Tom Hanks being one

735
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 1: and one, Nicholas Gonzalez, and Nick said, you have got

736
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 1: to meet this producer named Gary Wheeler and I'll hook

737
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: you guys up. And Gary called me up and he said, Jonathan,

738
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: I had this film about a guy who leaves California

739
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: and moved to a small town to be with his family. Yeah.

740
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, buddy, Yeah, thank you. I don't

741
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: know if that's a god smack or what, but then

742
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: that's pretty wild.

743
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

744
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: And then we went and shot the movie and then

745
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: COVID hit and Gary called me one around Christmas. He

746
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: was like, they want to turn this into a series.

747
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, they wanted me to be in it.

748
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, yeah, a big idea. I was like,

749
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: why won't you do this right away a few years ago? Hey?

750
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: And you know what? They wrote six beautiful scripts and

751
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: the first season's coming out. It came out on ISP Yeah,

752
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 1: but now it's coming out of Amazon Prime. Okay, good

753
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: support to get to see it. People love it. It's

754
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: the kind of reminds me of old school TV that

755
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: I used to grow up on, where the whole family

756
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: would sit down and watch it.

757
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, for me, that was murder.

758
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: She wrote, Yeah, this is very similar.

759
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 3: I love that. You know.

760
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: She was a writer like me and living in New

761
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: England where I grew up, and I.

762
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 3: Was just like, oh, I want to be Jessica Fletcher.

763
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 2: But we would all gather to watch it, and there's

764
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 2: not a lot of that left anymore.

765
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, then we brought that back.

766
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 3: Why did you want to leave Hollywood?

767
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 1: Well, I realized like that even though audition audition process

768
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: had created such shame in me, and I need a

769
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: distance from it. I knew just I couldn't, I couldn't

770
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: continue down that road and I needed to maintain my sobriety,

771
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: and I didn't want to cause any harm in my family,

772
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: and I just I just knew it was the right thing.

773
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: I surrendered to something much more powerful than I had

774
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: ever experienced before. And I'm completely surrendered and knew that

775
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: I just didn't need to be part of that world anymore.

776
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 3: When you put yourself first, I'll speak from my experience,

777
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 3: not yours.

778
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: You know, I had like a nervous breakdown a few

779
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: years ago and a lot of it had to do

780
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: with what I do for a living, and my fear

781
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: was okay, well, the obvious thing to do is stop

782
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: doing what I do.

783
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 3: But who am I?

784
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: Then?

785
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: Will I still get work? Will I still get to

786
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 3: do stuff?

787
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 2: If I take myself out of the sort of the

788
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: firing line that I've lived in for a very long

789
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: time doing news in politics, what then? But I haven't

790
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 2: completely left that world, but I've set a lot of

791
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: boundaries and I've changed sort of the way that I

792
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: work within that space.

793
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 3: And when you put yourself first, it is so scary

794
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 3: at first, but for me it's been validated again and

795
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 3: again and again over time. Have you felt that way.

796
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: Yes, very much so. So you know you may not

797
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: get the call that you're used to getting. Better call. Yes,

798
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: And if we live in fear, it doesn't happen. We

799
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: don't allow ourselves. Those are too scared. But when we

800
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: live in we go into the unknown, and we have

801
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: courage in it, things come to us. Being brave is rewarded.

802
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: So good for you. It's a tough world that you

803
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: live in. I don't watch the news.

804
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 3: I'm jealous.

805
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: We fund ourself on the radio. I'm like, man, I

806
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: don't know what they're I don't know what they're selling,

807
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: but I'm I'm not interested. I'm not interested.

808
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 3: It is tough. But well, that's that's great advice and

809
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 3: I'm glad we shared those stories. Uh okay.

810
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: Next we're going to lighten up with a lightning round.

811
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: And the first part is a bit of a quiz.

812
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: It's but it's a quiz about you. Okay, let's say

813
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 2: if I know me, Yeah, we'll see.

814
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 3: What is the name? You'll know this? This is easy.

815
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: What is the name of the beach band that the

816
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: Wonders play in that thing?

817
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: You do Captain Geech and the Shrimp Shack Shooters?

818
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 3: Correct? Okay, But the second part is trickier. What is

819
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 3: Captain Geach and the Shrimp Shack Shooters named after?

820
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: Uh? Tom was filming Bulbus Shrimp farst Gum, Yes, and

821
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: he would he kept driving by this. He told me this.

822
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,479
Speaker 1: Here's I kept driving by this shrimp Shack. I think

823
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: it was like old dilapidated thing, and that's how it

824
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: came up with the name.

825
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 3: Yes, it's two restaurants. He kept driving by Captain Geeches

826
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 3: and the Shrimp Shack, and so he combined them.

827
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: So he was writing while he was making Uh.

828
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 2: Yep, amazing in the sweetest thing. What are your only

829
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: lines as leather coat guy?

830
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: Oh? I know, I am, but what do you something

831
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: like that, something like that, Yeah, what's up with you?

832
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 3: With you nothing? What's up with you? Nothing? What's up

833
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: with you?

834
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: You know? The story behind that I was I was

835
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: watching Christina perform that day during camera and they said, Jonathan,

836
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: will you go in the scene.

837
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 3: Oh, you were just on sets as Christina's husband try

838
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 3: to pick her.

839
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: Up, and so look, thank you for my beer. And Christina,

840
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: you know, she's such a genius. She just comes up

841
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: with this little brief that we started to do back

842
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: and forth.

843
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's amazing.

844
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: Did you come in with the leather jacket on or

845
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: did they put the leather coat on you?

846
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: They put me through wardrobe. They said, go to wardrobe

847
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: and get because I think I had a baseball cap and.

848
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 3: You didn't look like you were going clubbing.

849
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so yeah, the leather coat guy. And then

850
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: they asked me to continue the part. But I I

851
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: was doing this film that I had a flat to Morocco. Well,

852
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: it was a great little part.

853
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 3: It was great.

854
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: And that's a really funny, funny movie. Okay, the quizzes well, no,

855
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: the quiz is not over. What was your high school

856
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 2: mascot ram?

857
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got it. Okay, the quiz is over. You

858
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 3: have two kids? What kind of dad are you?

859
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:26,240
Speaker 1: Wow? It's deep. I just try to be as present

860
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: as I can. Yeah, and you know, my sobriety, it's

861
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: one thing about I will always chirp about my being sober.

862
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: It is like I'm present with my children. I mean,

863
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm there. If I was drinking, if I had party

864
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: on my brain, or if I wanted to go do

865
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: certain things to just kind of escape and I'd be

866
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: a little boy, I wouldn't be present for them as

867
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: much as so. I'm really proud of myself for getting sober.

868
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 3: Present is everything. Yeah, okay. What's the best thing you

869
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: make for your kids in terms of food?

870
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: Oh? Wow, I make them bagels and we you know,

871
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Speaker 1: they get to choose their toppings.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's fun. That's great. Okay.

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Speaker 1: And chicken. They love chicken because I eat chicken five

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Speaker 1: times a day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's good. What's your favorite Christmas movie?

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Speaker 1: Die Hard?

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Speaker 3: That is legit a Christmas movie? And I don't blame you.

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Speaker 3: That's great. It's a great film.

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Speaker 1: It all want to be in a Christmas movie.

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Speaker 3: We should have not done a Christmas movie.

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Speaker 1: Have they ever made one about like a newscaster who

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Speaker 1: finds love? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Like a Hallmark movie? Yeah, oh, we should do that.

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Speaker 3: That would be really fun. I'll write it. You or

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Speaker 3: you're in it.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's do it.

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Speaker 3: I love that has to be in a small town.

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Speaker 2: She's writer for a small town newspaper, or maybe she

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Speaker 2: leaves the big city for a small town.

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Speaker 1: Exactly. That's what you have to it's got They got

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Speaker 1: their little equation down.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's a formula.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Oh but you'd be so great in that. Okay, we'll

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Speaker 3: do that. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Final question, and it's very important to me. When is

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Speaker 2: iced coffee season?

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. It's begins in July. When does it go

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Speaker 1: to September?

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's incorrect.

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Speaker 2: It would be July to July year round, is the

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Speaker 2: correct answer. That's just because I'm from Boston and there's

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Speaker 2: Dunkin Donuts in my blood.

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Speaker 1: I did go to Cornell Wow, great school.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I loved it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: We had a lot of laxers from from Maryland.

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Speaker 2: It was a big, big feeder school from Maryland, Lacrosse exactly.

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Speaker 3: Well, Jonathan checked.

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Speaker 2: This was fun and insightful and important and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for It's important to talk about these

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Speaker 1: things for our mental out and yes, and to do

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Speaker 1: it in a way that people can hear it. You know,

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Speaker 1: I've done so much work of myself, so I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to get buried into these, you know, shameful episodes

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Speaker 1: when I speak of it. And I appreciate you not

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Speaker 1: being too triggered to where we couldn't have a resourceful

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Speaker 1: conversation in which we did. So.

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Speaker 2: Thanks same to you, and look, no shame, all gain

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Speaker 2: in talking about it, all gain.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Next week on Off the Cup, I talked to a

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Speaker 2: comic writer, actress all the things, Judy Gold.

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Speaker 3: We're the truth tellers. We're not afraid to tell the

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Speaker 3: truth right right and call people out and say you're

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Speaker 3: you're Are we allowed to curse on this?

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