1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio. 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 2: Welcome back to our number two of the Drive here 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio. 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 3: I'm Dale LOLLI he is the Matt Williamson and Matt 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 3: looking here. This comes from the Touchdown Wire. 8 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jared Bailey went through and ranked the top thirty 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: six quarterbacks in the league. 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 3: I don't know why he went to thirty six. I do, okay. 11 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 4: I wrote for that site, and they're good people for 12 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 4: one year and they do things differently for whatever reason. 13 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 4: If they do a lot of a lot of this 14 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 4: and for whatever reason, you were never allowed to have 15 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 4: the five best, or the ten best, or the twentieth best. 16 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 4: But if you have the twenty three best, they like 17 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 4: it shouldn't be. 18 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: I don't know why thirty two best. 19 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 4: That was too cookie cutter. Whenever they do. 20 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 3: Last I checked, there are thirty two NFL teams. 21 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,279 Speaker 4: I don't know, but that was one of the things. 22 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 4: If you would rank things, don't make it like round numbers. 23 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 4: Don't give me ten, give me eleven. 24 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: So I don't know why some of these some of 25 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: these guys are listed on. 26 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 3: Here, like. 27 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 2: Okay, So if number thirty six on this list is 28 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: Drew Lock, okay, fine, why did we feel it necessary 29 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: Drew Locke on here and not Mason Rudolph? 30 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 4: Keep going? Yeah, I stopped there. I hope they didn't 31 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 4: do rookies. 32 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 3: I think he did. 33 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 4: See. I think that's crazy if you've never played an 34 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 4: NFL snap, I don't care for the best prospect ever. 35 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 4: I can't even compare it to Drew Lock. 36 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: No, I mean, play a game right now, yeah. 37 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 4: I mean Locke is probably better than Caleb Williams right now, yeah, 38 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 4: right now, I mean like winning game. Rudolph probably better 39 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 4: than Caleable. I know that sounds insane, but they've never 40 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 4: played NPOLE game or even a preseason game. 41 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 3: Thirty five is Aid and O'Connell. 42 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 4: Mm hmm. He'd be lower for me. 43 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 3: Well, there's only one spot lower. 44 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 4: Behind Lock, and he would not be in the top 45 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 4: thirty six for me. I think he's a borderline backup. 46 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 3: Thirty four is Jayden Daniels. 47 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 4: I'm gonna skip the rookies. 48 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 3: I don't know how you can say Jayden Daniels, though, 49 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 3: is the worst of the rookies. 50 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 4: The worst rookie. 51 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 3: If he's the second pick in the dragon, he's gonna start. 52 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 4: He's gonna start. And I guess this writer didn't like 53 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 4: him coming out, but which fine, But the rookies cloud things, 54 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 4: they make a mess of at all. 55 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 3: At thirty three Sam Howe. 56 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 4: I think that's right, and I mean there's a compliment 57 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 4: to him. I mean, I think he could last this 58 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 4: league a long time as the twenty fifth to thirty 59 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 4: fifth best quarterback in the league. Learn to protect himself 60 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 4: a little bit better as he grows up. He's in 61 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 4: the last. 62 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 3: At thirty two Brace Young. 63 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, he should be low. I mean don't know how 64 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 4: you compare them the rookies, of course, but like a 65 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 4: year ago he would have been twentieth and wrongly and 66 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 4: wrongly Yeah, like Kayleb Williams is gonna be twentieth, is 67 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 4: the first pick in the draft. Yeah, they're gonna struggle. 68 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 4: I mean they just don't know yet. 69 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 3: Thirty one Deshaun Watson. 70 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 4: Wow, gotsy, but I totally can't disagree. Yeah, I mean 71 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 4: he's been bad. He doesn't stink. 72 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: I mean he's not, but he's not been he's not 73 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: been game changing. He has not been good and he 74 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: still takes sacks. Yeah, he still turns the ball over. 75 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, so the negatives are there too, Yeah, 76 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 4: gotsy move. But I see where you're going with on that. 77 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,119 Speaker 2: Thirty is JJ McCarthy. I can't put him behind JJ McCarthy. 78 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy's not even going to start the season as 79 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 2: a starter for his team, right, all right, we just 80 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 2: went over this. 81 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 4: Watson gives you a better chance to win. Yeah, today, 82 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 4: I mean I'd rather have McCarthy and take my chances 83 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 4: and you know, contracts and off the field stuff included. 84 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 4: That's not what we're doing here. 85 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 3: Twenty nine Jacobe Brossett. 86 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 4: I'm cool with that. I'm a fan. I mean, I 87 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 4: think he's better than Locke and Howe and some of 88 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 4: these other backup type. 89 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 3: Twenty eight Will Levis. That's better than. 90 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 4: Levis, sets Bear and Levis. Yeah. Might not be all 91 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 4: sudden none, but right. 92 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: Now quite frankly, Deshaun wats is better than one Yeavis, 93 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 2: Yes he is. Come on, Watson should be out doing it. 94 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 2: I know what you're doing there with Watson, but you're yeah, 95 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:16,799 Speaker 2: he's better. 96 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 4: Than the than that. 97 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 2: Twenty seven is Gardner Minshew they're both better than that 98 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: guy too. 99 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, they are. He's probably not in the top thirty two. 100 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 4: Well maybe he is if you don't include rookies. 101 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 2: Twenty six is Joe Flacco? Mmmm? 102 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 4: I hate the Richardson Flacco combo, by the way, Like 103 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 4: I mean, you're talking about oil and wat Joe. 104 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 2: Nobody's stretch of games has been more inflated into something 105 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 2: it was not right than what Flacco did last year 106 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: with Cleveland. 107 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 4: I'm rooting for him, but he came off the bench 108 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 4: or off the couch as he should and he just 109 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 4: wasn't Deshaun Watson, and he had nothing to lose, and 110 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 4: he was just chucking it and made so many mistakes 111 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 4: and took sacks and put the ball in arms way 112 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 4: and got away with it. Good for you, Joe. But 113 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 4: then he turned into a pumpkin, you know, Like I 114 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 4: think he should be in the league. I think that's 115 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 4: my compliment. And I think you can win games with them, 116 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 4: you know, like if a magic Jeanie came out and said, 117 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 4: justin Fields and Wilson don't exist, you get Flacco. I 118 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 4: think the Steelers could win games. But I think he's 119 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 4: more done than I don't. 120 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 2: I don't know if they could win games with him 121 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 2: playing the way that he was playing, like turning the 122 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: ball over the way he was so bad. 123 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 4: And if you just watch the throw after throw, he's 124 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 4: thrown across his body and across the face of linebackers, 125 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 4: and like what are you doing? 126 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 3: Twenty five is Drake May, Twenty four is Derek Carr. 127 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 4: He belongs as low. 128 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 2: He might be lower. 129 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 4: He might be lower like him and Watson are about 130 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 4: the same. I was really unimpressed with this season. 131 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: Twenty three Russell Wilson. 132 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 4: Maybe, I mean, for what we've seen of late. 133 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 3: Twenty two Justin Fields, are you putting Justin. 134 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 2: Fields ahead of? First of all, you have to put 135 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 2: Justin Fields ahead of all those rookie quarterbacks. 136 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, but he's not. 137 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 3: Ah, I can't put him ahead of Russell Wilson. 138 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 4: No, I can't either. I mean, I think there's a 139 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 4: lot of proof on that one. 140 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: There's gonna be some other quarterbacks listed on here that 141 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: I can't also can't put ahead of Justin Fields or 142 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 2: Russell Wilson. 143 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, including the guy that twenty one's can. Okay, this 144 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 3: is conversation Geno Smith. 145 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 4: He's been a better place he's been over the last 146 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 4: two years. Yeah, he has. No, he would be I'm 147 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 4: fine with him right there, but twenty Caleb Williams, but 148 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 4: he should I can't. I can't put him on there. No, 149 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 4: he may end up being great, he may have a 150 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 4: stroud rookie year, but you can't put him there now. 151 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 2: Nineteen is Anthony Richardson. Can't put Anthony Richardson a ahead 152 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: of Justin Fields. 153 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 4: I might put Fields and Richardson next to each other, 154 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 4: but Fields ahead of them. 155 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 2: Field has played way more than than Anthony rich Anthony 156 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 2: richards has played four NFL games and he's always he 157 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: doesn't finish them. 158 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 4: Super excited about him. 159 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: But and even when he played in the average he's 160 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 2: average one hundred and fifty yards passing per game. And 161 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: he's not as dynamic a runner as Fields. 162 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 4: No, he's really there with like Cayleb Williams. 163 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 2: In May And I just think that there's some. 164 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 4: Of them have to be incomplete and just not ranked. 165 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 3: Uh eighteen to a Tago Viloa Good. 166 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 4: I thought he'd be higher. I think he's properly ranked. 167 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 3: There seventeen Baker Mayfield. 168 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 4: So guys like Daniel Jones here on the list. I 169 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 4: mean I have the top fifteen. 170 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 2: I only did thirty six, and there's yeah, we've had 171 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 2: multiple quarterbacks from several team. Yeah, Like Drew Locke was 172 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 2: on there. 173 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I guess he was Mayfield's ahead of is Mayfield, 174 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:57,679 Speaker 4: ahead of Gino. 175 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: I think there's similar. 176 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I do too, That's why I threw that one 177 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 4: out there. He's ahead of car I would say, yeah, yeah, 178 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 4: I mean after this past year, that could change though 179 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 4: in a drop of a hat. I'm I don't think 180 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 4: Baker's exactly out of the woods. 181 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 3: No, No, he could turn into a pumpkin. 182 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 4: I still take two over him too. 183 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 2: He still makes some mistakes too. It's sixteen Rock Purty. Again, 184 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 2: this is not this is not us ranking them. 185 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 3: This is this is somebody you know. This is somebody else. 186 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 4: He's a certain type, but he processes really well. I 187 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 4: would probably have him higher. 188 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 3: Fifteen Kyler Murray. 189 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 4: He played quite well last year. He might have had 190 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 4: the best season coming off injury. That might be too 191 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 4: low for him too. 192 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 3: Fourteen Jalen Hurts. 193 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 4: Ooh, he would have been like fourth last year at 194 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 4: this time. Yeah, now, I think that's proper ranking. Would 195 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,479 Speaker 4: you rather have Hurt or Murray. The intangils are way different. 196 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 3: On one tho, how do you want to play? 197 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 4: Yeah? 198 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and how you know they are really different? Thirteen 199 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 2: Jared Goff, I'd. 200 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 4: Have golf over Cousins. That's about right for golf, though. 201 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 4: Twelve is Kirk Cousins. Yeah, they're right next to similar 202 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 4: older pocket passer types. 203 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 2: Eleven Dak Prescott. 204 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 4: Gets a bum rap. Well, it doesn't get a bum rap. 205 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 4: I mean there's are facts he has not come through 206 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 4: in the clutch. He was number two in MVP voting 207 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 4: last year though, No, he. 208 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 3: Had a lot of numbers. 209 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: They won down the stretch, they won regular season games 210 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: and then you. 211 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 4: Lose in the playoffs. Yeah, I'm fine with them being ten. 212 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 4: I guess ahead of the Lawrences and Herbert's and those 213 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 4: guys are probably more dynamic. 214 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence's number ten. 215 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 4: Okay, we're talking about this on my podcast today. We're like, 216 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 4: we did a fifth year option show and he was, 217 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 4: you know, his fifth year option years and easy Lawrence. Yes, 218 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 4: if I told Bear fans Caleb Williams will have the 219 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 4: exact same first three years as Lauren, would you take 220 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 4: it or go fish? Because these are transcending NFL. 221 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 3: That's the thing. 222 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 2: He's he was supposed to this can't miss transcendent, and 223 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: honestly he's not been that. 224 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 4: He hasn't he But he's in good you know, Yeah, 225 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 4: I mean he's not not banging on mahomes door. Like 226 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 4: if you were the Bears fan, would you roll the 227 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 4: dice and see what cayleb Williams is or would I 228 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 4: take those first three years? And I'm a Laurence fan. 229 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 3: Eight I'm sorry. Nine is Aaron Rodgers. 230 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 4: Tough on the rank we just don't know, yeah, and 231 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 4: tough on the rank. 232 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 3: Eight Jordan Love. 233 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 4: I'm not sure I'm quite there yet. 234 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 3: On Jordan Love, that's pretty high. 235 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,479 Speaker 4: I still think I'd rather have Lauren. 236 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 2: Played, and I'd rather you had like a nice five 237 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 2: game stretch at the end of the last Super promising. 238 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 4: I'm not killing the guy, but Dak's probably better a 239 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 4: football than him right now. 240 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 2: Uh. 241 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:52,599 Speaker 3: Seven is Lamar Jackson. 242 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 4: Won the MVP. Maybe you should be two. 243 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 2: That's the most valuable player, that the most valuable quarterback 244 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: or the best quarterback. He has two of them, though, 245 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: I mean stat's stat's weren't anything outstanding. 246 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 3: No, they just want a bunch of games. 247 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 4: He was great, though. 248 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,359 Speaker 3: Six Matthew Stafford. 249 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 4: I'm cool with that. I think Lamars should ahead of him. 250 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 4: I'm a big Stafford guy, though. 251 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 3: Five C J. Stroud. We putting against jumping the gun 252 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 3: a little bit here. 253 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 4: He looks so promising. I put him ahead of Love. 254 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 4: I mean, I was like first year starter types. I 255 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 4: can't put him over Lamar Jackson. 256 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 3: That's right, I mean, come. 257 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 4: On, yeah, Lamars an elite player. 258 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 3: Four is Justin Herbert? 259 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 2: Does winning never matter in these things? Because Justin Herbert 260 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: does not win. He doesn't win. 261 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 4: Herbert ve Stafford. 262 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 2: I don't think so. 263 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 4: I don't think so. 264 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 2: I think they're similar. I mean again, right, all right, 265 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 2: Justin Herbert he might be. He's he's a tremendous talent. 266 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 2: Is he something of a compiler? Maybe? 267 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 4: Is? 268 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 2: You know, again, when you look back at the wins 269 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 2: and losses, how many of those losses where they had 270 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 2: a chance to win it? Did he throw a dumb 271 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 2: interception that cost him the game? 272 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 4: The other thing he does, more so than dumber receptions 273 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 4: are should I let this one fly? Or should I 274 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 4: dump it down? I'll dump it down? Yeah, like that? 275 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 4: There's an arc to that if you're Brady and Mahomes 276 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 4: and you know, but sometimes we need you to let 277 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 4: it sling. I'm gonna use that big arm. Dude. You know, 278 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 4: I'm a fan, but I am. 279 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 3: I can't put him that high because the wins and losses. 280 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 4: I'm also I know we're gonna get to Burrow here 281 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 4: at some point soon. And I love him when he's 282 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 4: on the field, but you gotta be in a field, dude, Burrow. 283 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 4: This is a lot of time. I think Lamar is 284 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 4: the best quarterback in the division. 285 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: H Burrow? 286 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 3: Is it three? 287 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 4: Okay? I figured Allen's. 288 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 3: Two, Josh Allen to Mahomes one. 289 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 4: Any qualms with Allen at two? I think he's pretty clear. 290 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 3: No, I don't have any problem with that. 291 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:47,599 Speaker 2: No. 292 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 3: The one I would have trouble with the most is 293 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 3: Herbert at four. 294 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: Like Strouds a little early. It's like I would have 295 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 2: Lamar ahead. 296 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 4: Of Yeah, I think four for me or three. Yeah, 297 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 4: you know, and he has game and he's an odd 298 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 4: one and someone will go past him. 299 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 2: But I mean i'd have Stafford ahead of I'm. 300 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 4: A big Stafford fan. Still, he does a lot with 301 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 4: a little Still, Yeah, he's a stud like right. I 302 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 4: mean honestly at Steelers at Stafford like they could play 303 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 4: with anyone. Yeah, I mean I say, you're one of 304 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 4: the best teams in the league. Like I think that's 305 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 4: how good he is, you know. 306 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 3: Right, So anyways, that's yeah. 307 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would exclude the rookies. 308 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 3: No Daniel Jones on there. 309 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 4: No Daniel Jones. I'm sure we come with five or 310 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 4: six names that usually are on there. 311 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it should be on there, probably because they're end 312 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 2: up starting games this year. That was the Touchdown Wires 313 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 2: top thirty six quarterbacks heading into the twenty twenty four 314 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 2: NFL season. He is Matt Williamson, I'm Dale LOLLI you're 315 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 2: listening to the Drive. We'll be back with more right 316 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 2: after this. 317 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on 318 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and 319 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 320 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 3: And we are back. 321 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly, he is d Matt Williamson and 322 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 2: Matt looking here at things. And the article on the 323 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 2: thirty third team that got me thinking about this, and 324 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: it said, you know what teams are gonna have? What 325 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 2: are the top five defenses in the league? 326 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 4: Oh, I saw they did top five offenses, top five defenses. 327 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, two weeks and I looked at their top five defenses, 328 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: and this is who they had. 329 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 4: I really had no qualms with it, but I wondered, 330 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 4: from a Steeler perspective, could they get there? 331 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: You know, That's where I was doing. 332 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 4: So looking at the I like their five off defenses 333 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 4: more than I like their five offenses. Yes. 334 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 3: So the top five defenses were New England. 335 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 4: I'm a big believer. 336 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 2: Baltimore, okay, but they lost a little Kansas City. 337 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 3: You don't think of the Jets and the Browns. 338 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 4: I don't know the Browns would be one, but they 339 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 4: would be. I think those five are fine by me. 340 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: So I'm looking here at the d v o A 341 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: rankings from last year on FTN Fantasy for defensive d 342 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 2: v o A. Number one was Baltimore to minus twenty 343 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 2: three point three. Two was Cleveland at minus twenty point seven. 344 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 2: The Jets were third at minus fourteen point two. 345 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 4: The Jets d was way better than people thought. I mean, 346 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 4: the roh was like thirty second in DVA Yeah. 347 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 3: Uh. 348 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 2: San Francisco was fourth at minus nine point six, Dallas 349 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: was fifth at minus eight point seven, and the Steelers 350 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 2: were six at minus eight point oh so not much. 351 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 4: So k C was one that was mentioned. It isn't 352 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 4: in New England. Finish in New England. 353 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, case finished behind the Steelers at minus five point 354 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 2: oh so they were three three percentage points behind the 355 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh though. 356 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 4: That's wrong. 357 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, then you had New England at minus four point four, 358 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 2: so they were pretty good sto. Yeah, they were good. 359 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 4: Those were the teams. 360 00:15:55,880 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 2: So you know, I guess is San Francisco's defense gonna 361 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 2: tail offline? 362 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 4: I say Dallas, San fran Pittsburgh weren't listed, but just 363 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 4: in that conversation, yeah, I mean, I don't think there's 364 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 4: a big difference. And with all respect, but we've said 365 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 4: this a thousand times, Brown's at home versus Browns away. 366 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 4: It was a long. 367 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 3: Things, a real thing. 368 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 2: I would love to see the splits on that, like 369 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 2: the defensive DVOA on the road versus defense of d 370 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 2: v OA at home. 371 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 3: For the Browns, I. 372 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 4: Think they were average at home. 373 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: I think they were like they gave up the most 374 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 2: points in the league on the road last year, but. 375 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 4: I was that bad Okay, like they gave up at home. 376 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 2: I know it was thirty points per game on the 377 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 2: road they gave up last year. 378 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, with that defense, I remember that now. Yeah. Also 379 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 4: Kansas City, I mean, like New England doesn't have this, 380 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 4: but I know d v A kind of takes these 381 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 4: things into account. That's why it's such a good metric. 382 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 4: But playing with the lead when you're the nine huge 383 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 4: or Kansas City goes a long way. The Jets didn't 384 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 4: have that at all. Yeah, Steelers didn't have it. The 385 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 4: Patriots didn't have that at all. It's hard playing fourth 386 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 4: quarter defense when you're down by ten and you've been 387 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 4: on the field a whole game too. 388 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,719 Speaker 2: And it's even when it's it's a you know, it's 389 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 2: a three point game one way or the other. 390 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 4: And one mistake, you know you're gonna lose. 391 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 2: Right, you can't yeh bail us out, you know, right, 392 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: I can't make any mistakes be Iceman, you. 393 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 4: Know what I mean. 394 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think the Steelers could be in that 395 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: top five conversation. 396 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 3: I think they I think they'd gotten better differentively than 397 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 3: what they had last. 398 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 4: Year, certainly in the second level. I mean the speed 399 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 4: and the continuity. You would hope. Yes, I hate to 400 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 4: say things like, well, you know they'll be healthier. Minco 401 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 4: will miss any time. 402 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 2: I don't know that you think of miss time last year? 403 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 4: Right, you don't say that to me? Or Cam will 404 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 4: get back to what he was two years ago. You 405 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 4: don't know that. I mean you might, you might not. 406 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 4: This league is really rough. I think Porter's really good, 407 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 4: but corners are volatile. But I'd be shocked if he's 408 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 4: like a liability all of a sudden. And I think 409 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 4: the secondary is better with the two additions they got 410 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 4: certainly in speed wise that they were kind of slow 411 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 4: and old and you know the Levi Wallace's and Peterson's 412 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 4: and they're not gonna be playing with those type of 413 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 4: doubt guys. Yeah, Wat's Wat you know, Yeah. 414 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 3: High Smith are still a player who's. 415 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 4: Yeah right, I have no worries about him. And then 416 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 4: you know, maybe my backers is the key to me. 417 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe maybe Peyton Wilson comes in and is a 418 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 2: dude queen. And then if you've have you've had a 419 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 2: queen as well. 420 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, So no, I think you're right. I think it's 421 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 4: better already quite good. And could it compete for one? Yeah, 422 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 4: I could compete for one. I could compete there tier 423 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 4: one too. 424 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 2: I don't know that. Like Baltimore led it minus twenty 425 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 2: three point three last year, which was a surprise I 426 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 2: think to everybody. 427 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:38,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, going into the season. 428 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 4: I mean, we were so wrong about their defense this 429 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 4: time last year. Yeah, and that's why their defense coordinators 430 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 4: head coach now. 431 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I thought their issue would be their 432 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 2: offense would take a while to yes get there, and 433 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 2: I thought I didn't think the defense was good enough 434 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 2: to sustain that. 435 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 4: I thought they didn't have to get pressure. I didn't 436 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 4: think their d line was very good. Yeah, Matta Bouquet 437 00:18:58,720 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 4: was really good. Yeah. 438 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, So they were at minus twenty three point 439 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 2: three Cleveland and minus twenty point seven. Then you had 440 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 2: the Jets at minus fourteen point two. Can the Steelers 441 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 2: get into that range? 442 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 4: I think yeah. Cam would have a lot to do 443 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 4: with it. I mean, like I said, you can't count 444 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 4: on him being the two year ago Cam. But if 445 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 4: he is, I don't think. 446 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 2: That, you know, Benton takes a step forward. Yeah, and 447 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: you know, Queen is what they think, you know, what 448 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 2: they thought he. 449 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 3: Was going to be. 450 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 4: And of course, injuries don't make. 451 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 2: Us stays healthy for the entire mink. I had no 452 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 2: turnovers last year none. 453 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 4: There was two sides of that I wanted to bring 454 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 4: up was I'm sure Minca will make more plays, take 455 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 4: the ball away more this year. I don't think that's 456 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 4: you know, writing us. The track record is there, Yeah, 457 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 4: but I don't know that the Steelers can make more takeaways. 458 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 4: I mean, they were great taking the ball away that 459 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 4: they have been the last couple of years have been. 460 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 4: And the pass rush is there they got to take away. 461 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 2: They got the takeaways last year without Minca, who's their 462 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 2: best playmaker, having any. 463 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 4: History, just shows it's hard to do that year after year. 464 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 2: I think you know certain certain styles of defenses. I 465 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,719 Speaker 2: think when you have the pass rush that they have. 466 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 4: I always say that, like, if I'm as I do, 467 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 4: believe taking the ball away is a little bit arbitrary. 468 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 4: But if I'm building a formula to take the ball away, 469 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 4: pass rush is number one. Yeah, A free safety safety 470 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 4: back guy Ed Reid, you know, I mean, somebody like 471 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 4: that that has an uncanny knack is number two, even 472 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 4: more so than a corner because the corner they might 473 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 4: not even throw at, you know what I mean, right? 474 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 4: And then team speed, which I think got better because 475 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 4: if you can get a lot of guys the ball, 476 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 4: maybe you hack the thing out with the second tackler 477 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 4: that didn't get there last year or whatever. It's possible, 478 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 4: but that would be my concern. But their sack numbers 479 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 4: might go up too though. 480 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 3: Yeah they were low last year despite. 481 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 4: Before they six years in a row they were a 482 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 4: sacked champion. 483 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they didn't win it last year, right right, 484 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 3: you know, so. 485 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 4: Maybe they get to top five and sacks play with 486 00:20:58,119 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 4: some more leads. 487 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 3: Which I'm again would help healthy helps at No. 488 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 4: I think they're in the conversation. 489 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I also think you know, when you when 490 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 2: you look at you know, who are they going to play? 491 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 4: Before you click away from that, just real quick because 492 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 4: this is a previous segment conversation. Where did since he 493 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 4: end up three of the top six or seven? REFC Northeast. 494 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, since he's all the way down, they were down 495 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 3: at twenty three. 496 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 4: Wow, I thought they'd even lower in that. It's funny 497 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 4: how my mind works now, Like I'm just starting to 498 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 4: remember last year. I've been so geared for the draft 499 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 4: and offseason and like forgot how bad since he's d 500 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 4: was for a while, you know, Yeah, Yeah, it's rough. 501 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, I think that's an out certainly 502 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 2: the outlier. I mean, if if you're ranking the off 503 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: if you're ranking the components of each team offense versus defense, 504 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 2: all that stuff, and you have one through eight. Since 505 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 2: he's defense last in the AFC North, I might. 506 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 4: Take the Steelers offense just because it's so uncertain. 507 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 3: But at least they did some good things last year. 508 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're not seven, but since he's what 509 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 2: good things did, since he's defense do last. 510 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 4: Year, I mean, I think that's a conversation. It's funny 511 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 4: we've been doing this a long time because that was 512 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 4: actually about the questions about that ask you is I 513 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 4: feel dumb for saying it now. But when we did 514 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 4: this exercise this time last year, I had the Baltimore 515 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 4: d as eighth. They may end up being one when 516 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 4: it was all said and done. But since he's d 517 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 4: was really really bad last year, and I don't see 518 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 4: massive changes the safety switch outs good. But your lost 519 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 4: reader is Hubbard's coming off an injury and I think 520 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 4: he's just had surgery. 521 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 3: Henderson is not happy yet. 522 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 4: I say he's a little bit volatile at the moment, 523 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 4: to say the least, so those are the two. 524 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 2: Like I feel better about where the Steelers' offense is 525 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 2: right now as opposed to where I do with the 526 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 2: Cincinnati defense. 527 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 4: Right Like, if you would have drafted three or two 528 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 4: really good D lineman. I know Jenkins is a nice player, 529 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 4: but if you had drafted a first and second round 530 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 4: D lineman for the beg honestly, yeah. 531 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 3: Thinking about it without Nick Chubb, I was gonna bring them. 532 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 2: Up to Cleveland's offense might be Versussburgh's offense is a conversation. 533 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 4: I would probably put them in at six. 534 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 2: It's a conversation with no Chubb, right ye and. 535 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 4: Quarterback Yeah, and I if the O line's starting to 536 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 4: show cracks and the receivers are okay not great, Yeah, 537 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 4: I was gonna throw them in there. Is they have 538 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 4: some questions. They could they could end up eight. 539 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 3: I mean, you know the number one unit going into 540 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 3: the season. 541 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 4: I'd say it's one of the two Baltimore units, but 542 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 4: they both got hit hard in this offseason. 543 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 2: It might be Cincinnati's offense. 544 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 4: Could be tackles are strong again. I don't care about 545 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 4: mixing Uppy in there. Yeah. Maybe it's a Browns D 546 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 4: who would be your number one D. 547 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 3: That's tough. 548 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 4: I mean, I know one it isn't. 549 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 2: That's a tough Yeah, there's one that isn't. The other 550 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 2: three are all. 551 00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 3: Like I got a case, it could be any one 552 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 3: one of them. 553 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 4: I mean, I probably they're all good third today, but 554 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 4: we just talked about potential to go. I mean, they're 555 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 4: all the same tier. They're in the best group in 556 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 4: the league. Do we think the Bengals the best offense? No, Baltimore, 557 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 4: Well it's not Stears Brown's No. No, I think I'd 558 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 4: go with Baltimore. I remember, like the best offensive league 559 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 4: last year. It's not quite as good, but. 560 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 2: I still think the offensive line issues for that are 561 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 2: going to be real. 562 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 4: I know, but like Andrews, I mean, their tight ends 563 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 4: are really good. The receivers are okay, that might go Bengals. 564 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 4: Bengals OH lines better than Braven's. 565 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 3: OH lines, which is hard to believe. 566 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 4: It's hard to believe. Burrow and Lamar are awash in 567 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 4: a very different way. Yeah, weapons, I think I go 568 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 4: to Chase High. Yeah, I mean, Henry's kind of fun though. Yeah, Yeah, 569 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 4: I get it. They're probably the top two, but they 570 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 4: might be behind all three DS. 571 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 3: They might be. 572 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 4: They might be four and five. 573 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 3: Defenses are really good. 574 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 4: The defenses are really good. Boy, what a division? Yeah, 575 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 4: I bet most divisions aren't as hard to rank one day. 576 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 4: Probably not, I mean, because there's the Raiders are one. Yeah, 577 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 4: you know, there's some there just easy. 578 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 2: I mean you could, you could, you could legitimately look 579 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 2: at that and say, well, the Steelers defense is fifth. 580 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, and it's like it's a really good defense. 581 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 4: A really good defense. It's middle of the road, like 582 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 4: some divisions would be one. Yeah, some divisions would be three, 583 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 4: you know, right, but fifth is about as low as 584 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 4: you can go, right, if you're a top six or 585 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 4: seven defense, it's not hard to figure out the bath 586 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 4: that you can't be too low and divided by eight, right. Yeah. 587 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 3: Just it's an interesting division. 588 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 4: It's gonna be as good as ever. I think it 589 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 4: might be better, especially if Burrows stays around the whole year. 590 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, might be. It might be even better this year 591 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 3: than it was last year. 592 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 4: Quarterback play will be better. Yeah, I mean, Lamar might 593 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 4: not win the MVP, but assuming some semblance of health, 594 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 4: Cincinnati's quarterback plays will be better. Yeah, Browns kind of 595 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 4: nowhere to go, but up Steelers kind of nowhere to go, 596 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 4: but at least have new people. 597 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 2: I look at the division as this offseason. To me, 598 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh and Cincinnati got better. I agree Baltimore. 599 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 3: And Cleveland may have taken a slight step back. 600 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 4: I think Baltimore took a step back. Brown's may have 601 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 4: been even. Yeah, you know, but it's like a shark. 602 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 4: If you stop swimming, you're you die. I mean you 603 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 4: got to go forward. 604 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's going to be a fascinating, fascinating 605 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 2: division this year. Maybe that's why we'll we'll get we'll 606 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 2: see here in a few weeks. I guess at some 607 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 2: point they're going to announce the what what division is 608 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 2: covered in the Hard Knocks? 609 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's a whole division. 610 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 3: But I would fully expect that to be as. 611 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 4: A viewer in Arizona, Seattle or whatever, that's the division 612 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 4: I want to see. 613 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's gonna be fun next week and we 614 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 2: get to next week. 615 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 3: At this time, we should have the NFL schedule. 616 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 4: I say, schedules will be fun too, Like when do 617 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 4: you play? Since that's gonna be key? Yeah, you know, 618 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 4: who do you get after the Ravens? You know that 619 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 4: kind of stuff. 620 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 2: That stuff matters what time of year you're playing. You know, 621 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 2: Cleveland's rumored to be heading to London for a game, 622 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 2: or overseas for a game. Who do they play? Coming back? 623 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 4: Do they have? 624 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 2: They have a bye week? 625 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 4: Coming back? Thanksgiving? Who's that? Thursday night games? And then 626 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 4: short weeks and all that kind of stuff. That stuff 627 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 4: matters a lot. Yeah, I love what the stuff Warren 628 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 4: Sharp does. After that comes out like this team has 629 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 4: x amount of air miles all year or never gets 630 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 4: back to back home games, or you know, that's tough. Matters, 631 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 4: it's hard. 632 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 2: It'll be fun and we'll get there. But I just 633 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 2: think that the AFC North, to me is is just loaded. 634 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 4: Way above everybody loaded. Yeah. I have a team of 635 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 4: losing record last year. Yeah, even with Burrow being out 636 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 4: the whole season. 637 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 2: It's crazy crazy. Let's get to another break. He is 638 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lallie. You're listening to the 639 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 2: Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back to 640 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 2: finish up the show right after this. 641 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on 642 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: your twenty four set Home of the Black and Gold 643 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. 644 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 3: Welcome back. I am Dale LOLLI. 645 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson and Matt has mentioned Odell 646 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 2: earlier on the show. Odell Beckham Junior signs with Miami, 647 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 2: Chase Claypole signing with the Buffalo Bills. 648 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 4: A couple of things starting to fielder in Beckhams gonna 649 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 4: be one of the bigger ones. Of course, Well he's 650 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 4: a name, he's a name. Yeah, yeah, but he grew 651 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 4: up in Miami. I thought he had some kind of 652 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 4: ties there. I have no idea that I think he did. Yeah, 653 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 4: he's been rumored be good there for a while. They 654 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,959 Speaker 4: don't have to win it. That's it. He was. We 655 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 4: called that one from mile away last year about just 656 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 4: being a bad, bad trader, bad signing for Baltimore. They 657 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 4: gave him like eighteen you said. This year they gave 658 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 4: him like eight. Yeah, it's a little more palatable. But 659 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 4: still he's hard to count on and brings baggage. 660 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 2: And you know, so if when you look at him 661 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 2: and there were people who was maybe the Steelers should 662 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: go sign him, that would have been no. 663 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 4: I mean Jesus, it crossed my mind a thousand times, 664 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 4: and my result every time was he could be. 665 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 2: Better than that he had last season in Baltimore. Again 666 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 2: with Lamar Jackson having an MVP see thirty five catches, 667 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 2: five hundred and sixty five yards, three touchdowns, he could 668 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 2: play every game. He played in fourteen games, he started 669 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 2: six of them. 670 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a hard guy to count on for seventeen games. 671 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 3: He hasn't played in seventeen games. 672 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 2: Been a long time, well, he's never played seventeen games. 673 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 2: He hasn't played a full season since twenty nineteen with Cleveland. 674 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 2: That was also his last thousand yard season and if 675 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 2: you remember that season, they played the Steelers at the 676 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 2: end of the year and had to work really hard 677 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 2: to make sure they got Odell his thousand yards. 678 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 4: Right. So, like people know, I do a lot of dynasty, 679 00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 4: which is you know, you keep your team year to 680 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 4: year year and there was a stretch two three years 681 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 4: where he was the number one dynasty asset, Like right now, 682 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 4: that's justin Jefferson. I mean that's where he was after 683 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 4: year two, year three when you factor in age and 684 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 4: what fantasy player do I want for the rest of 685 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 4: their life? Big drop off though, I mean even the 686 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 4: end of his Giants' tenure was starting to slip. Then 687 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 4: Cleveland thinks he's the last piece to put him over 688 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 4: the top, and he blames Baker Mayfield for everything, and 689 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 4: that's a disaster. And then since he's been an afterthought. 690 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 4: Yeah he was good at the Rams, like leading into 691 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 4: the super Bowl, but he was our third guy. Then 692 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 4: he was never the feature. Dude, they're thrown the cup. 693 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 4: I mean, it's stretches. He doesn't he can still play, 694 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 4: but nothing what he looked like. I mean, if Justin 695 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 4: Jefferson fell off like that from here on out, you'd 696 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 4: be blown away. Yeah. 697 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 2: Again, he's got you know, he's thirty one years old, 698 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 2: so he's not getting better at this point. 699 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 3: I just think that's such a dumb signing. 700 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 4: Like during the season, Like we talked about this a 701 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 4: couple of segments ago with the Dolphins too, Like speed's 702 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 4: great and playmakers are great. It's not a guard. Yeah 703 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like, go get somebody that 704 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 4: can grind it out. And they drafted pass rushers and 705 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 4: speed and another back that can really run, and that's fine, 706 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 4: and I bet they'll start the season really strong and 707 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 4: then get pushed around after Halloween. Yeah you know what 708 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 4: I mean. 709 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's just you do still have to 710 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 2: play games in that division. Yeah, there's at New England, 711 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 2: at Buffalo, you know, at. 712 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 4: The Miami early in the year, there's no question. But 713 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 4: the other thing's true too, and it matters more in 714 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 4: the end because sometimes that's playoff games. 715 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 716 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 4: I think your quarterbacks good, not great, and he's about 717 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 4: to get real expensive. I don't love where that team's at. 718 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 4: And I do think their head coach is very, very 719 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 4: innovative and a very good an exceptional offensive mind. I 720 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 4: think he's a good head coach, interesting fella, say the least, 721 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 4: but I just don't like where their assets are at. 722 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently no restrictions on Aaron Rodgers for OTAs. 723 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 4: For the Jets, I mean, I guess it's been thet 724 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 4: Now the question. 725 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 3: Is does he actually show up? 726 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 4: That's the Yeah, yeah, it'll be interesting. I guess that 727 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 4: doesn't surprise me though. 728 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently he wasn't there. 729 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 4: I wouldn't say what that came matter for OTAs last 730 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 4: year or not. 731 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 3: No, he really goes to that kind of stuff. 732 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 4: This first year in New York. I thought maybe he 733 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 4: was and they weren't. 734 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 2: Hard I think he did. 735 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not sure if he did or not. 736 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 3: But he's forty. 737 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 4: You wonder how many those dudes from last year, like 738 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 4: his Burrow ready to go. Like you always just assumed 739 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 4: people are ready to go, but injuries, linger Man, especially 740 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 4: when you're older. Yeah, when's cousin's gonna be back? I mean, 741 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 4: OTA's will always tell you things, so they could just 742 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 4: be like, oh, they opted out, But some of these 743 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:52,719 Speaker 4: dudes aren't gonna be ready. 744 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 2: So of the original one hundred and one free agents 745 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,239 Speaker 2: when free agency started uh on NFL dot com, there 746 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 2: are still fifteen remaining. 747 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 4: Who the names, I'm Connor Williams. 748 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 3: And Stefan Gilmore. 749 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 4: Okay, he might be a bargain for somebody to a 750 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 4: ten tender. 751 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 3: Justin Simmons. 752 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 4: I still think he's really good. He must be asking 753 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 4: for a lot of money. 754 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, Kalais Campbell. 755 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 4: Defensive Man of the Year that can still play in 756 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 4: a Cam Hayward light fashion. 757 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 3: He's thirty eight years old. 758 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 2: He's been around cool career though. Yeah, I'm a fan 759 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 2: Connor Williams. 760 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 4: We've talked him to death. Yeah, I assume the Steelers 761 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 4: are out on that now, but. 762 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 3: I would think so. 763 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. 764 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, Steven Nelson still get picked up thirty one years old. 765 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, a little bit of a journeyman at this point. 766 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 4: But he's a corner a Dorry Jackson. I guess he's 767 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 4: kind of the same, good but not good enough. 768 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, been around the Black undersize. Was you know a 769 00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 2: former first round pick? I don't know that he. 770 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 4: I wonder if those guys needs like a training camp injury. 771 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 3: Probably Ryan Tannehill. 772 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 2: Do you mean the league this year if you're not 773 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 2: already to assume somebody, you know, somebody who got shot 774 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 2: with the Raiders. 775 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 3: Bringing Ryan Tannehill just as. 776 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 4: A could win the job. He could, Yeah, I guess 777 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,919 Speaker 4: it depends on how anxious is he to do that. Yeah, 778 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 4: he's got a lot of money. 779 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,760 Speaker 3: Uh, Tyler Boyd Folk, that is not happening here. 780 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 4: I don't think it ever was. 781 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 2: I don't think it was either. I think people were 782 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,280 Speaker 2: trying to you know, he's a slot receiver. 783 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,919 Speaker 4: Right, and he's not dynamic enough. 784 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 2: Micah Hyde still unsigned. 785 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 4: He who signed a one year deal somewhere. I would 786 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:45,280 Speaker 4: think think. 787 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 3: Andres Pete still unsigned. I think there's an injury there 788 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 3: with him. 789 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so Achillo Witherspoon still unsigned. 790 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 3: It's kind of strange. 791 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 4: Would you give him two million? Three million? 792 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 2: Mm hmm hmm. The Steelers have already been down that 793 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 2: road he had. He had a good season last year, 794 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 2: but the year before that he barely played. 795 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a real hard guy to count on. Yeah, 796 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 4: some of the slashes are impressive. 797 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 3: Emmanuel Ogba. 798 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 4: Is there an injury with him too? Could be because 799 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,879 Speaker 4: he got flat out cut from h We've been hurt 800 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 4: the previous two years. Yeah. Yeah, he wouldn't really fit. 801 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 4: Is the golden here? 802 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:26,720 Speaker 3: Donovan Smith? 803 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:32,800 Speaker 4: He's bad, awful. Yeah, it might. 804 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 3: Be time to get onto your life for Yeah. 805 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 4: Dalton's gonna hang around though, Dalton. Yeah, he's a guard only. 806 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, but other guards got paid. 807 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 2: Yeah he didn't. 808 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 4: I have a little shocked he's out there if he's healthy. 809 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 4: Michael Thomas, I think he's a pain in the butt 810 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 4: and slow and old. I've been asked about him with 811 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 4: the Steelers and never like excites me. 812 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 3: He's a slot. The problem he's just you know, he's 813 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:01,720 Speaker 3: a slot. 814 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 4: He's a slot at a time spy and he's another 815 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 4: one like talking about like fantasy stuff. He was right 816 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 4: there with Odell. I want this guy for the rest 817 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,359 Speaker 4: of his career, he catch one hundred balls a year and. 818 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 3: Then nothing like he fell off, nothing. 819 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:17,760 Speaker 4: Injuries and weird stuff. 820 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. Now he had some flashes last year. 821 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, But I mean there's a point where you 822 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 4: consider these guys. But is that guy going to sign 823 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 4: a one year league minimum, prove it deal that you 824 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 4: get cut in camp type dude? Probably not. Yeah, he 825 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 4: thinks he's better than that, you know, I mean he 826 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,280 Speaker 4: has some amazing years. If I knew he was close 827 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 4: to being that guy, would take a risk on him 828 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 4: and see, you know, Adam to the mix. But you 829 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 4: can't be like, oh my number two receiver. 830 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 3: Fix Yeah, that's that doesn't that doesn't do it. 831 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 4: No, you need to go big or go home. I 832 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 4: think at that position. 833 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why there's just there's just not a guy 834 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 2: out there in free agency he's gonna he's going to 835 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 2: do that. It has to be, yeah, a trade or 836 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,399 Speaker 2: somebody's gonna get cut. 837 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 4: I don't know. If you saw on thirty third team 838 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 4: today they did list like twelve guys, I saw that 839 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 4: he could be traded or cut. You know, Dan Moore 840 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 4: was on the list. I mean, I mean Ayuk was 841 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 4: on the list. I mean like Debo and some of 842 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 4: the big guys that everybody knows. Maybe, but it's not 843 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 4: happening in a second now. 844 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I still think Slayton is a guy I saw 845 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 2: I saw a story about that yesterday that he's still 846 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 2: he's not showing up at the OTAs he wants to 847 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 2: voluntaries because he wants an extension. 848 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 4: I see why they wouldn't. 849 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 850 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, if you were to get Slaton for a six 851 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 4: round pick, I think that's a no brainer. Used to it. 852 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 4: He's making like two million a year. You don't even 853 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 4: have to extend him, but you could, you know whatever. 854 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 4: I don't know that I'd be done at receiver, but 855 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,800 Speaker 4: I think he'd be your second best receiver. Yeah today, Yeah, 856 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 4: you know. 857 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 2: I would probably be done at receiver at that point 858 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 2: because I'm just what else are you going to get 859 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,439 Speaker 2: without giving up a first round pick? 860 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 4: That'd see a first round picks off the board for me, 861 00:37:58,520 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 4: no matter. 862 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 3: What, So what else? 863 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 2: What else you're realistically going to get on the on 864 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 2: the open? 865 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 4: I mean, you've done with the Metcals and Debo. 866 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,720 Speaker 2: That's those things aren't going to happen. 867 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,840 Speaker 4: They all seem like pipe dreaming. I don't know about Sutton, 868 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 4: but the other one seemed like pipe dreams. I don't 869 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 4: think DK Metcals going anywhere. No, Yeah, they're tight against 870 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,320 Speaker 4: the cap. I mean, I think Brandon Cooks is a 871 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 4: guy you could get, but I don't know what he 872 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 4: has left. He might be closer to Michael Thomas and 873 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 4: the answer at this point, you know. 874 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so, I mean that's it is what it is. 875 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 4: But there will be people cut and cut throughout the league. Yeah, 876 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 4: now opening day. 877 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 2: There'll be some surprises, some things like that, guys who 878 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 2: become available because somebody else ascended or what. 879 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 3: You just don't know. 880 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 4: There's a lot of change in the league always, absolutely, 881 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 4: but I we'll talk about it in a couple of days. 882 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 3: We will do that next week. That is going to 883 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,240 Speaker 3: do it for our show today. 884 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 2: So for my partner Matt Williamson, for Justin Miller here 885 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 2: on site keeping us on the air, I'm Dale Lollie. 886 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 2: We thank you for listening to this edition of the 887 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,720 Speaker 2: Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.