1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: You know, I get paid to talk for a living. 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: That's part of my job. Hey, it's battle. And there's 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: one thing that always is is very interesting when it 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: comes to drinking water. 5 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 2: Now, of course I've got tattoos. 6 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: I do a rock show and then we do the 7 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: wrestling show, and I don't need a bottle of water 8 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: with flowers or a goldfish. I need something that's gonna 9 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: reflect my inner rock star. Let me go ahead and 10 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: tell you about the water that I have found. I'm 11 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: talking about liquid death. Now you've probably scrolled through Instagram 12 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: and you've seen some of the videos of liquid death, 13 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: and now you're hearing me talking about liquid death. And 14 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: it's amazing because right now I'm parched, and it just 15 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: so happens that I have a can of liquid death 16 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: with me right now. So please hold that for a 17 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: second and let me grab a drink real quick. Okay, Now, 18 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: let's talk some more about liquid death. They're bringing death 19 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: to plastic and the best part about it is you 20 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: can get it online now at liquideath dot com. Plus 21 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: are you ready for this? 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Welcome everybody to the Battleground podcast. I'm 33 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 1: your host Battle and of course my tag team partner 34 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: Eli will be joining me here in a second. But 35 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 1: before we get in today's interview with our I'm gonna 36 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: call my best friend, our best friend, Mike Bennett. There 37 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: is a couple of things I got to talk to 38 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: you about. Real quick, please make sure that you follow 39 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: us on Instagram and his Battleground podcast Twitter is Battleground IHR. 40 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 1: We greatly do appreciate everybody that follows us, and if 41 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: you listen to the podcast on Apple, please make sure 42 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: you give it five stars leave us a nice comment 43 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: because that helps us out tremendously. Also, real quick, want 44 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,639 Speaker 1: to say thank you to our sponsor's Manscape. Of course, 45 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: if you use the bonus code battle Ground at check out, 46 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,279 Speaker 1: you'll get twenty percent off us free shipping. It also 47 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: brand new to the show. Let me introduce you to 48 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: Liquid Death. Yes, you've probably seen their commercials all over 49 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: your Instagram feed, and they're probably gonna be on there 50 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: now because I'm talking about Liquid Death. But they are amazing. 51 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: Of course, it is murder your thirst with Liquid Death. 52 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: Of course, they're bringing death the plastic and you can 53 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: get it at liquideath dot com and it's available at 54 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: Whole Foods. They have plain water and they have sparkling water. 55 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: I'm still new to the whole video thing. Sparkling water 56 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: Liquid Death. Please make sure you go get you some 57 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: and well. Without further ado, let's bring on Mike Bennett. 58 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 3: Into the Crown. 59 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: Live from the Parts Unknown Studios. 60 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 4: This is a Battleground podcast. 61 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 3: Your play brawls as pro wrestling. 62 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 4: From the independent scene to w W E A, w 63 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 4: R O, H n w A and Impact. 64 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 3: Wrestling hot topics, as. 65 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 2: Well as interviews with some of the biggest. 66 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 4: Names in the game. The Battleground Podcast starts now. 67 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: Carry your host, come to the. 68 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 3: Battle and Eli. 69 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: Here we are Welcome to another episode of The Battleground Podcast, 70 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,839 Speaker 1: and of course today's episode we've got a good one. 71 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: Let me bring my tag team partner in Eli. 72 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: There he is. Look at that. That's a nice pretty 73 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 2: flag there behind you there, Bob. 74 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know you got your banner made, So I 75 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 5: just went ahead and did a did a flag And 76 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 5: that's the story. 77 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: Well, that's it. Of course. 78 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: You know, we had the news, the heartbreaking news of 79 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: the passing of a legend and icon, Pat Patterson, the 80 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: first Interconndinental Champion, the father of the world Rumble, of course, 81 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: a legend, and with the passing of him, of course 82 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: the wrestling world and all of us around the show 83 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: more than that loss and our thoughts and prayers go 84 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: out to his family. 85 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: And we have a guest on the show tonight, and. 86 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: It's a great guest, the guy that we've been trying 87 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: to get on for a very long time and it 88 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: just so happens. 89 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 2: There he is. Mike Bennett is our guest on the show. Mike, 90 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: what's up man? 91 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 6: Hey guys, I don't I don't have a nice banner. 92 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 6: I have a nice pink peachy wall. 93 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 5: So just for you, it's funny because I'm using this 94 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 5: one because I don't. 95 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: Have a Ring of Honor flag. 96 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 5: So yeah, I was like, there's a couple organizations where 97 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 5: you can't just get like Amazon flag and you know, right, 98 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 5: so I don't have a Ring of Honor flag, I 99 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 5: don't have an Impact flag, and I don't have an 100 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 5: NWA flag. 101 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 3: Can you be honest with me? 102 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 6: Is there actually a hole in that wall and that's 103 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 6: why you put the Is that what you're covering up with? 104 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 6: Because I have two kids and I know that that's 105 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 6: how I cover up all crayon marks and hold in 106 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 6: my wall. 107 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 5: No, I just didn't want to go as crazy as 108 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 5: a battle and put up all the stab proof stuff. 109 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 3: So I was like, yeah, And. 110 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: You know, kind of before we were talking, you you 111 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: sent out a tweet about Pat Patterson and a very 112 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: interesting joke that a lot of people have been tweeting 113 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: about the joke. Can you tell us about the joke 114 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: that that you told us before we jumped on recording? 115 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 6: Yeah, so I it's it was a joke that Pat 116 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 6: hit me with one time backstage. I I didn't really 117 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 6: have like a very close relationship with Pat. It was 118 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 6: just kind of kind of in passing and we would, 119 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 6: you know, we a lot of times. I always sat 120 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 6: by Gorilla when I wasn't doing anything, just to watch 121 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 6: the show, and oftentimes when Pat was there, he'd sit 122 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 6: there too, So I had a lot of fun conversations 123 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 6: with him. But I wasn't a top guy, so he 124 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 6: really dealt with a lot of the top guys. But 125 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 6: I saw that Big Show had put out a tweet 126 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 6: about a joke that Pat had always said to him, 127 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 6: and then I saw Drew McIntyre put out the same tweet, 128 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 6: and I was like, hey, he hit me with that 129 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 6: joke one time. And he'd always go up to people 130 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 6: and he say, hey, do you know who was just 131 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 6: talking about you? And you go when you're at WW, 132 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 6: You're like oh hoo, and you go go nobody and 133 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 6: you're like great, And so he must have hit that 134 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 6: with a lot of people, because, like I said, I 135 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 6: didn't have a very close relationship with him, but I 136 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 6: remember he hit me with that joke and I was like, 137 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 6: all right, fair enough. But then seeing show and seeing 138 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 6: Drew talk about it, I was like, all right, that 139 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 6: must be one of his ongoing jokes that he constantly 140 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 6: throws at people. 141 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 2: Right and to being. 142 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: Good company with that joke, because I mean, you've got 143 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: to sit there and think it's it's Pat Patterson and 144 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: you're like, you said, he walks up to you, he's like, hey, 145 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: did you hear who's talking about you? Because you're you know, 146 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: you're there thinking, and then when he hit you with that, 147 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: you're just like, yeah. 148 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 6: I mean when it's Pat too, and you know that 149 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 6: he's only dealing with the top guys and dealing directly 150 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 6: with Vince and not only that, but I grew up 151 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 6: watching Pat Patterson, so you're like, oh cool, oh hoo hoo, 152 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 6: and then nobody and you're like, all right, that sounds 153 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 6: about right cool. 154 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 155 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 5: I think the I think the attitude air for him 156 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 5: was kind of a lessing and a curse because obviously, 157 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 5: you know, he got it, you know, the biggest audience 158 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 5: he's ever been in, and the younger crowd you know, 159 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 5: started to follow him and stuff. But I think a 160 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 5: lot of his entering stuff gets overlooked because of that, 161 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 5: you know. 162 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, And I also wonder, I wonder if I don't know, 163 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 6: if it would bother him. Again, I don't know Pat 164 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 6: that well, but Pat, he's really funny, and I don't know, 165 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 6: like who he was in the attitude that were like he's. 166 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 3: Really really funny. 167 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think Dolf had tweeted about his sense 168 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 6: of humor and like, so, you know, there's part of 169 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 6: me that is like, well, maybe it's a curse. But 170 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 6: then there's also part of me that like knowing Pat 171 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 6: maybe that was maybe he loved it, because yeah, it 172 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 6: was the stuff he did is the Stooges was goofy, 173 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 6: but it was fun, man, it was so much fun. 174 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: He definitely seemed to embrace it for sure. Yeah. 175 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: Of course you saw it on Legend's house when all 176 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: the Legends got together, and of course him being in 177 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: there that was as well. But let's let's kind of 178 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: let's jump into this. You know, twenty twenty has been 179 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: a tough year for everyone this year. What has been 180 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: the highlight out of twenty twenty thus far for you? 181 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 6: I don't know if this is going to sound cliche 182 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 6: or stupid, but I've got to spend so much time 183 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 6: with my kids that I normally wouldn't have gotten because 184 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 6: I'd either be on the road, or they'd be in daycare, 185 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 6: or me and my wife would both be on the road. 186 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 6: I have a ten month old and I have a 187 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 6: two year old, and these are really precious years of 188 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 6: their life. When I had Freddie, I didn't have Freddie. 189 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 6: My wife did only Freddie shall kill me if she 190 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 6: thought I had her. It's like I was. I was 191 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 6: in the hospital when Freddie was born, and in less 192 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 6: than twenty four hours I was gone because I had 193 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 6: to go to WrestleMania and it was my first WrestleMania. 194 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 6: And I was actually going to tell them whether they 195 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 6: cared or not. I was going to say no, but 196 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 6: my wife was actually She's like, you have to go. 197 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 6: You have to go to your first WrestleMania. You have 198 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 6: to be involved. So a lot of Freddie's first year 199 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 6: of life, I wasn't around that much. Guy was there 200 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 6: and I got to spend a lot of it, but I 201 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 6: wasn't around like i'm around now and now having car 202 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 6: we had Carver in February, two months before we got released. 203 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 6: So when we got fired and then we were stuck 204 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 6: in quarantine, we had a two month old and Freddie 205 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 6: had was just turning too at the time. So I 206 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 6: got to spend all this time and watch them grow. 207 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 6: And I've got to see Carver, my son, my second 208 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 6: child grow in a way that I didn't get to 209 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 6: see Freddy. 210 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 3: So it's it's actually been really cool. 211 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's kind of a you know, I 212 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 5: think the adverse thing. You know, a lot of people 213 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 5: didn't foresee anything like that. But now working from home 214 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 5: and probably you know, spending more time with family has 215 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 5: definitely been a. 216 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: Positive with the COVID stuff for sure. 217 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 5: So and it had to be frustrating too, you know, 218 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 5: especially with WW you know, you might get called out 219 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 5: and then they don't use you, and you're just like. 220 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 2: I could have just sat at home, guys, you know, 221 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 2: Like you know. 222 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 6: I left for WrestleMania not even knowing if I was 223 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 6: on the show. I didn't find out I was in 224 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 6: that Battle Royal till the night before. So I essentially 225 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 6: left to go do access and to do autograph signings, 226 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 6: is what I thought. 227 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 3: And I was old there was a possibility. 228 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, And I didn't find out until they emailed me 229 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 6: the list that night. 230 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 3: They were like, here's the list of guys, so fun. 231 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 3: I was like, I'm on it. 232 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 2: What what year was that? 233 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 7: Uh? 234 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 6: It was my first year there, so I mean it 235 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 6: was New Orleans eighteen. 236 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I was at I was at that wrestling. Yeah, 237 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 2: I was. 238 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 5: I was like, I was like, dang, I think because 239 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 5: that was was that the one was that the Andre 240 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 5: Battle Royal the two Okay that was Matt Hardy won 241 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 5: that one, I think I believe. 242 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, it was Uh, it was. 243 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 3: A nice I think I was checked out at that point. 244 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's a it's an interesting I'll tell 245 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 5: you some stuff about my experience when we're off. 246 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: Stuff that doesn't make the video by the way. 247 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll cut that off. 248 00:10:55,720 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 5: So yeah, so not too long ago, you uh, you 249 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 5: challenged Nick Autis for the NBA World title. There's a 250 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 5: debut show for Championship Wrestling from Hollywood. What was that 251 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 5: experience like? And you know, especially with that title still 252 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 5: having the prestige it's always had, and with Ring of 253 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 5: Honor and NWA, you know, having a working relationship, would 254 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 5: you want another title shot or would you be open 255 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 5: to challenging for another NBA title? 256 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, one hundred percent. I would love a rematch. 257 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 6: I think the way we set the match up to 258 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 6: and the way the match finished, I feel like it's 259 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 6: like it's perfect, it's been the words open for it. Yeah, 260 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 6: it felt like that's the way, uh it should be, 261 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 6: and I would love it. But honestly, and I will 262 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 6: say this till I'm blue in the face, because I've 263 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 6: been in this mindset where there tends to be a 264 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 6: lot of negativity around wrestling, and so I'm really trying 265 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 6: to focus on just talking about like really positive stuff 266 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 6: and lately, like I've been talking about how how well 267 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 6: Ring of Honor has handled this pandemic, and I think 268 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 6: we need, like more places need to talk about the 269 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 6: good companies that have handled this pandemic well. But the 270 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 6: reason I want to talk about this is because Nick 271 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 6: was actually the one who reached out to me. He said, 272 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 6: he specifically said to me, I know what you're going through. 273 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 6: I've been in your shoes, and you're trying to reinvent 274 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 6: yourself and I want to help you do that. And 275 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 6: that was his mindset going into that ten pounds of gold, 276 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 6: And for me as a worker, but as just a 277 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 6: human being, I was like, wow, Like, that's just you 278 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 6: don't get that that much in any industry, let alone 279 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 6: the professional wrestling industry. So it just it always stuck 280 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 6: with me, and it always meant it's still to this 281 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 6: day because that match actually helped me find my love 282 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 6: for pro wrestling again, because I had kind of fallen 283 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 6: out of love with it and then getting fired in 284 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 6: the middle of a pandemic, not knowing what the wrestling 285 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 6: world was going to look like after that, it helped 286 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 6: me fall even further out of love because I was like, 287 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 6: do I want to invest all this time and energy 288 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 6: into an industry that I don't even know what it's 289 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 6: going to look like post pandem But that stuff with 290 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 6: Nick and just being so real in those interviews and 291 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 6: being all like I really viewed that match as like 292 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 6: a springboard again, as a catalyst, as a way to 293 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 6: show people, no, I'm not Mike Canelis. I've always been 294 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 6: Mike Bennett, and this is what he can do, and 295 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 6: let me show you what he can do, and let 296 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 6: me show you what he can be going forward, so 297 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 6: that I think, like, twenty years from now, when I 298 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 6: look back at like my career, that's going to be 299 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 6: I really think that's going to be a moment that 300 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 6: I highlight and I point to and go, this is 301 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 6: kind of when things started to turn around, or this 302 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 6: is when I knew exactly who I was going to 303 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 6: become in the world of professional wrestling. 304 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 3: So that match was was and still is super important 305 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 3: to me. 306 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, we're huge INWA fans. We had Nick on not 307 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 5: too long ago, and they've done an excellent job with 308 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 5: the like their hype and stuff. I mean, the ten 309 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 5: pounds of gold leading into him and Cody was phenomenal, 310 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 5: and you know, the prom as you were able to do, 311 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 5: I mean it was, it was solid, and you know, 312 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 5: it's kind of like a lot of companies obviously. I 313 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 5: think if if NBA could get just get in front 314 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 5: of that big crowd, I think they would really kind 315 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 5: of launch back out to where they used to be, 316 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 5: you know. So but anyways, it was a great match, 317 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 5: and you know, hate that you came up short. We 318 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 5: kind of thought that Nick was dropping it because he 319 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 5: just had it for so long. We're like, somebody's got 320 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 5: to take it, you know, like why not, and this 321 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 5: is the first episode, so let's let's do it with 322 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 5: a bang. So you know, we have Mike cutting those 323 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 5: killer promos of like the pure emotion because you watch 324 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 5: it and like being a parent myself, like watching Mike's promo, 325 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 5: you literally felt that in the promos and when I 326 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 5: was telling Eli, we were text about it, and I 327 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 5: was like, this is it, like Mike is. 328 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 2: About to be the new NWA champion. Yeah, you know, 329 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 2: it's funny. 330 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 3: Too, because that was my mindset going in. 331 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 6: When I was talking back and forth with Nick about it, 332 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 6: he said to me too, which is funny. He's like, yeah, 333 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 6: with the ten pounds of gold, we tried just make 334 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 6: winning the most important thing. And he was like what Mota, 335 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 6: and I was like yeah, And then that's when my 336 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 6: brain started to go and I was like, all right, 337 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 6: so how do I want to portray this? 338 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 3: And then I was like, well, what is winning this? 339 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 3: What would winning this world title mean to you? 340 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 6: And that's kind of where I took it because in 341 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 6: my head, it was always this is a prestigious world title. 342 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 6: This is my first match back since three years of 343 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 6: just uh, you know, irrelevance, So what what do I 344 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 6: want to do and how do I want to be 345 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 6: portrayed and what would it mean if I won this 346 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 6: as my first match out of WWE. That's just how 347 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 6: I viewed it, and it was real, like I know 348 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 6: there's this fourth wall, but everything I talked about was 349 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 6: how I was feeling. And I remember talking to my 350 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 6: wife about it, and she was like, just tell people 351 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 6: how you feel, Like, what else do. 352 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 3: You have to lose? Just go in and tell people 353 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 3: how you feel. 354 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 6: Nobody has any like, no one's going to be like 355 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 6: you're a babyface, so you're a heel. They'll decide and 356 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 6: then just talk about how you feel. And that's that's 357 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 6: how I went into it. 358 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 2: Right And when you look, oh sorry, go ahead sorry. 359 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: I think I think now with the wrestling fans is 360 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: that I don't think a lot of people see KFOP 361 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: or that fourth wall anymore, like they know it's it's real. 362 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: It's you know, a lot of people are going, like 363 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: you said, going by their real names, and there's not 364 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: that ca fabe of like the Undertaker being the Undertaker 365 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: to right. 366 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think people are connecting with that, and I 367 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 6: think social media has made that possible where we see 368 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 6: into people's lives and we see who people really are, 369 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 6: and I think if you can, wrestling has always been 370 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 6: about connecting with people emotionally. I think there's a point 371 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 6: now in wrestling where you just have to connect with 372 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 6: them differently and it's not always going to be so 373 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 6: cut and dry. 374 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 3: I'm bad, you're good. 375 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 6: There's other ways people connect with you, and that's Oh, 376 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 6: this guy had an addiction. I had an addiction. He's 377 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 6: fighting through it too. I'm fighting through it too. I 378 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 6: get this guy, always kind of a jerk on TV, 379 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 6: but I still get him. So I'm going to connect, 380 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 6: you know, Like there's there's different avenues just by Oh 381 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 6: that guy has a family. 382 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 3: I have a family. He has a daughter and a son. 383 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 6: Me too. Like there's just different ways that I think 384 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 6: now in wrestling, we can connect with people that we 385 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 6: never could have before. Right. 386 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 5: It reminds me of kind of this is a little 387 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 5: veering off the topic a little bit, but you know 388 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 5: when Mark Hamill started voicing The Joker in the nineties, 389 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 5: you know, his approach to it was unlike anything that 390 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 5: ever happened before, and you actually had people like rooting 391 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 5: for the Joker, you know what I mean. Like his 392 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 5: performance was like, yeah, he's a maniac, I get it, 393 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 5: but he was also like he made mistakes and he 394 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 5: was sloppy and he was in love with Harley, and 395 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 5: you know it's just like like you just said, I mean, 396 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 5: if you apply that to wrestling, it's the same thing, 397 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 5: you know, I mean, you. 398 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 2: Don't have to go I'm the bad guy, you know, 399 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: I mean you can. 400 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 6: Just Yeah, so the game is emotion How can we 401 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 6: connecte emotionally? That's like that's theater, that's yeah, that's TV. 402 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 403 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 6: Now with no crowd, you got to think outside the 404 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 6: box because you're connecting with a lens. 405 00:17:58,640 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 3: Now, what. 406 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 6: Is the person that's sitting on their couch or behind 407 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 6: their TV screen or their computer screen. How can I 408 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 6: connect with them emotionally? Help of ten thousand fans or 409 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 6: twenty or one hundred fans. 410 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 5: And you know, wrestling can lend itself to the you know, 411 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 5: the rock you know, concert, spectacle of events created and 412 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 5: all that stuff. But I mean at the end of 413 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 5: the day, it's two guys in a ringtone story, you know. So, yeah, 414 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 5: it's been it's been interesting to see the you know, 415 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 5: I think you did some stuff with Warrior Wrestling, right, Yeah, 416 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 5: I think you did like a weekend up there. I mean, 417 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 5: you know, I mean it's just like the feedback and 418 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 5: stuff from that. I mean they didn't have a five 419 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 5: million dollar budget, but I mean like it was like 420 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 5: a critically acclaimed weekend. 421 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 3: You know, it was amazing. 422 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 6: They did it right, And I think again, like I 423 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 6: said before, we need to talk about companies that are 424 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 6: doing it right and doing it right, because there's all 425 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 6: this talk about how ww's doing it wrong. We all 426 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 6: know they're doing it wrong. Let them do it wrong. 427 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 6: But the companies that are doing it right and a 428 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 6: a a health crisis that we haven't seen in one 429 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 6: hundred years. The companies that are helping people, keeping people employed, 430 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 6: doing proper protocols. 431 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 3: We need to talk about them. You don't put it 432 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 3: out in LA. 433 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 6: They make everyone get tested, they make everyone be safe, 434 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,479 Speaker 6: everyone wears masks, Ring of Honor tests us a ba 435 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 6: jillion times. 436 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 3: Ring of Honor fired nobody. 437 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 6: During the pandemic and continued to pay people that were 438 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 6: even on per appearance deals. That needs to be talked 439 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 6: about because this is unprecedented time. Let the big let 440 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 6: the big company screw up. Fine the good companies, let's 441 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 6: talk about that. 442 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: And that was that was the one thing we had 443 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: PCO on not too long ago, right as I guess 444 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: you know, our Ring of Honor kind of suspended the lot, 445 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: like the tapings of the shows. And the thing that 446 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: PCO said that stood out that I thought was a 447 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: great thing was he said, nobody got fired everybody still 448 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: got paid regardless if we were doing shows or not. 449 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: They still stayed on the payroll, no furloughs, no layoff 450 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: on another and I was like, that's the kind of 451 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 1: company you want to work for? 452 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 6: That and to me again, and I know everyone always 453 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 6: goes back to well, it's a business, you got to 454 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 6: make money. I understand that, but again, when you're dealing 455 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 6: with a health crisis that we haven't seen in a 456 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 6: hundred years and probably won't see for another like this 457 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 6: is this is once in a lifetime. This is you know, 458 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 6: like we're never going to see this probably in our lifetime, 459 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 6: and pray to. 460 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 2: God not in our kids. I mean, this is like 461 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 2: the plague. 462 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 6: Yes, And I'm sorry, but history is going to look 463 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 6: back at this time and go who did it? 464 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 3: Right? 465 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 6: It's like I'm a big I'm a big fan of 466 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 6: Hamilton and there's a song History has its eyes on 467 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 6: you and that's going on right now. 468 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 3: And I'm sorry. 469 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 6: But the companies like Ring of Honor that are doing good, 470 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 6: actual philanthropy work for their employees, like they're doing good 471 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 6: work for their employees and they're just doing it because 472 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 6: they can and they should. 473 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 2: Ye not a pr move. It's just we believe the 474 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 2: right thing to do. 475 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and like you know, and other companies are doing 476 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 3: it too. 477 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 6: Impacted it aw did Like, let's talk about the fact 478 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 6: that these people are going. Yes, is this the best 479 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 6: business decision? Maybe not, but maybe it is because you 480 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 6: build a brand like that that that people buy into 481 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 6: that there's a reason why people buy into brands. 482 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 3: It's because they do good work. 483 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 6: They don't just say they do good work, they actually 484 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 6: do good work. And I think we should talk about it. 485 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, sorry, well I was. I was just 486 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 2: gonna chime in. It's kind of ironic. 487 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 5: About an hour before we hopped on here, I saw 488 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 5: a headline WW got some kind of. 489 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 2: A web award for their COVID stuff. 490 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 5: And I was like, what what are you talking about? 491 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 2: Like, I literally I almost spit my drink out. 492 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 3: I was like, probably their award. They probably gave themselves. 493 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 5: Right, they probably slipped you know, someone in Florida some 494 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 5: more money like they did. And yeah, so anyways, it 495 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 5: was very funny that they got some kind of. 496 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 6: Recognition for what planet they're living on, geez something. 497 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: And I will say this that something really cool that 498 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: not a lot of people get to do is working 499 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: with your significant other, and of course you get to 500 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: do that with Maria. What are like the pros and 501 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 1: cons of working in the same company as your wife. 502 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 6: The pros is I get to travel with her and 503 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 6: I never I never have to like leave her or 504 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 6: miss her because she's with me all the time. The 505 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 6: cons is she's incredibly critical and she hurts my feelings 506 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 6: all the time. I'm not any wife, but that's that's 507 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 6: a pro anacon because she's my biggest supporter, but she's 508 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 6: also my biggest critic. If I have a bad match, 509 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 6: she ain't sugarcoating it. I have a good match, She'll 510 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 6: tell me it was good, and that's like she won't. 511 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 6: She doesn't prop me up. She wants to get better. 512 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 6: She expects me to be better. And that's why I 513 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 6: love her. Like you know, some people might be like, well, 514 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 6: that's your wife, don't you want her to be Like No, 515 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 6: I want her to be honest with me. We have 516 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 6: an honest, respectful relationship, and she infects it out of me. 517 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 6: I'm a little bit nicer to her than she is 518 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 6: to me, so I'll always be nice about her promos. 519 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 6: But if I think some things bad or didn't work, 520 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 6: I'll tell her, And like, I think that's why we've 521 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 6: been able to separate our work relationship in our real 522 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 6: life relationship because we respect each other on both fronts. 523 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 6: I respect her as a human and as my wife, 524 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 6: but as far as a performer and in this industry, 525 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 6: I have the utmost respect for her. So honestly, I 526 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 6: love working with her. I've had the time of my 527 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 6: life and all these companies with her, and I wouldn't 528 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 6: trade it for the world. 529 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, you want a partner that pushes you. 530 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 5: You know, you don't want a yes person. Oh that 531 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 5: was the best match I've ever seen. Like, Okay, it 532 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 5: probably wasn't, you know. So that's a good dynamic to have. 533 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 5: So I'm sure it's kind of harder now with kids, 534 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 5: you know, if you'll both have to go and all that. 535 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 6: But that's the hard part that sucks. But luckily we 536 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 6: have my parents and we have her parents who are 537 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 6: just like I don't think either of us would have 538 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 6: been successful in our careers without our respected parents. They 539 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 6: have just got My parents, they just they supported me, 540 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 6: they helped me, They gave me a place to live 541 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 6: while I chase this pipe. Dream of a wrestling career, 542 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 6: so like, it's that they've been the biggest blessing I 543 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 6: could ever ask for. 544 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: That's awesome. 545 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 5: You had mentioned recently, and I don't remember if this 546 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 5: was on another podcast or it was just a you know, 547 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 5: someone took a quote from or something, but you'd mentioned 548 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 5: that you think leaving Ring of Honor was the biggest 549 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 5: mistake of your professional career so far. If you, you know, 550 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 5: knowing what you know now, and you had to go back, 551 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 5: if you had to replay that decision, do you think 552 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 5: it would have been different? Like do you think you 553 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 5: still would have left Ring of Honor and maybe just 554 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 5: not gone to WWE, or do you think you would 555 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 5: have stayed? 556 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 2: Like what do you think you would do now looking 557 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 2: back on that decision? 558 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 6: You know, So, my my phone or my computer is 559 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 6: going to die, so I'm gonna plug it in. 560 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 3: But that's why I'm walking and moving. I don't want 561 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 3: to lose you guys. Dude. 562 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 6: I'm telling you, guys, I've had the worst technology data 563 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 6: in the history. 564 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 2: Of backing up at twenty twenty. That's that's That's what 565 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 2: it is. I was twenty. 566 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 6: It's just it's one of those things where I'm usually 567 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 6: on point with these media things too, and today has 568 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 6: just been Today's been a day. 569 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 3: Let me well, we. 570 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 5: Allow wrestlers to walk on the show, so approval. 571 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 2: I mean, we're not professional to begin with. 572 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 6: So I'm about as far from professional as you can get. 573 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 6: All right, let me see if all right, we're we're 574 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 6: back in business? 575 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:21,479 Speaker 3: All right? 576 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 6: No, I so I often I did say I never 577 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 6: should have left, but it's hard for me to let 578 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 6: me see if I can explain it so professionally, I 579 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 6: think leaving. 580 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 3: Ring of Honor was the worst move I ever made. 581 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 6: Personally, it was by far the best because within those 582 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 6: five years, I got sober, I had two children, and 583 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 6: I bought a house I don't know like and I grew. 584 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 6: I grew as a man, I grew as a as 585 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 6: a as a husband, I grew as a father. I 586 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 6: learned like I just I can't sit there and say 587 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 6: it was a bad decision because I became a better person, 588 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 6: and I don't. I don't want to downplay that professionally. 589 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 6: Besides my run at Impact, which I loved, like my 590 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 6: run at WW was a dud, and I don't it 591 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 6: just was it. I'm not going to sit here and 592 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 6: be like, oh, well, you know it could have No, 593 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 6: it sucked. It wasn't very good. I didn't do very much. 594 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 6: It won't be memorable and fine. But so from a 595 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 6: career standpoint, it it leaving Ring of Honor was the 596 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 6: worst decision because when I went back this last time, 597 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 6: I just remember being there and just looking around at 598 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 6: the locker room and seeing guys like Jay Lethal and 599 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 6: the Bristoes and Dalton Castle and Taven and all these 600 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 6: people that were there when I left, and I was like, why. 601 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 3: This is family? Why did I leave home? Like this 602 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 3: is okay. 603 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 6: This I can make a living here, and I can 604 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 6: have fun here and I can be happy, and this 605 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 6: is a place I can bring my kids and they 606 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 6: can meet people that like I like, I love like 607 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 6: I love the Goes as brothers. So it's like, yeah, 608 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 6: this is where I want to be and I probably 609 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 6: shouldn't have left. But again, hindsight's twenty twenty, So it's 610 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 6: a double edged sword because professionally I shouldn't have left, 611 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 6: but personally I can't take back the fact that, like, 612 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 6: I don't want to throw away how much I grew 613 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 6: as a human. So oh yeah, for sure, it's just 614 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 6: it's one of those things where like it's it's like 615 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 6: a mixed bag, a mixed bag of emotions. 616 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, kind of bittersweet, I guess, right, right, right, right, Ah. 617 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: You know what's in the air. 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You know, I feel as if, 679 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: and we don't take a lot of credit for stuff 680 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: on the show, but I feel as if that we 681 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: are going to take credit for the fact that we 682 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: have Mike Bennett and Matt Tavan kind of back together, 683 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: because we had Tavan on a few months ago, and 684 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: this was kind of right after your release, and I 685 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: was like, hey, Matt's what's the chances of you and 686 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: Mike teaming up again? And of course you have rich 687 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: history in New Japan with Matt Tavan and a lot 688 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: has changed with them since you were there. Are you 689 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: looking forward to returning And if so, who are some 690 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: of the people you're looking at face? Are you and Tavin' 691 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: gonna go after those titles again? I mean, what's what's 692 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: the thing? 693 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, So I kind of joke all the time. I say, 694 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 6: me and Matt have been planning my our reunion for 695 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 6: five years. Literally, It just you know, we're we are 696 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 6: best friends, and it's not it's like, think of your 697 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 6: closest friend and that's me and Tab and he's family, 698 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 6: he's my brother, He was the Justice of the Peace 699 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 6: at our wedding, like he married me and Maria. 700 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 3: That's how close. Yeah. 701 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 6: So going back to Ring of Honor, I always knew 702 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 6: right out of the gate the Kingdom's coming back, Like 703 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 6: that's it. 704 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 3: Just I felt like we had unfinished business. 705 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 6: The last time I held together he tore his acl 706 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 6: it was Final Battle two thousand. It just wasn't It 707 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 6: just didn't feel right. And he went on to do 708 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 6: amazing things in Ring of Honor. So I'm so happy 709 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 6: about that. But I think we both know we want 710 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 6: to do more, and I think we both know that. 711 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 6: I think we both knew that back then, I wasn't 712 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 6: who I am now as a wrestler. I wasn't I'm 713 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 6: not who I am now as a person. I still 714 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 6: had my issues, I still had my problems, and I 715 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 6: think there's that thought in the back of our head 716 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 6: that's like, well with a clearer headed Mike and still 717 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 6: being Tavan. And he's grown as a wrestler too, So 718 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 6: it's like, what can we do now? And I know 719 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 6: we've both talked we definitely want to go to go 720 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 6: to back to Japan. We definitely want last conversation we 721 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 6: had Tavan's like Mexico and Japan, Let's make it happen, 722 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 6: Let's do it. 723 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 3: What do we have to do? And I was like, well, 724 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 3: the world has to stop being on right, uh, and 725 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 3: then after then after we can take care of it. 726 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 3: But I think we want to go all in the 727 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 3: kingdom wherever we got to go. I'm just I'm just excited, 728 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 3: like I'm excited to see what we can do as 729 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 3: as we're both different wrestlers now and I'm kind of 730 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 3: excited to see what we bring to the table. 731 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: And something else that we're kind of excited about is 732 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: you've got your Ring of honor. You return this week 733 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: against a guy that we know that has been on 734 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: the show as well. You're going against Vincent, who has 735 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: some history with Matt Tavan. 736 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 2: Are you how are you? Are you kind of nervous 737 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 2: for this match? Are you ready? Like what what's going 738 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 2: on in your mind preparing for Vincent? Who's a lose cannon. 739 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 6: You know, it's funny because I again Vinnie Vincent whatever Vincent, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 740 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 6: it's like he's another one. 741 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 3: I've known him for a long time. 742 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 6: I helped break him in in the wrestling industry, Like 743 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 6: he's been a friend of mine and now he's a lunatic. 744 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 3: So one of those things where you don't know what 745 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 3: to expect. 746 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 6: But also on the flip side, I don't know. I've 747 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 6: been I've been through a lot in my life. I 748 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 6: always like I should be dead and I'm not. So 749 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 6: like he doesn't scare me if that's what if? Like, 750 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 6: you know, like I'm not afraid. 751 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 2: Bogie Man that he says. 752 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,719 Speaker 6: I feel like I've been through far darker things in 753 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 6: my life than he can portray. I'm just you know, 754 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 6: I'm excited because it's my first Ring of Honor match 755 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 6: back again. It's this mix of emotions. I'm so happy 756 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 6: to be back at Ring of Honor. I'm so excited 757 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 6: to have a match, a featured MATC on Ring of 758 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 6: Honor TV. But you now have to wrestle one of 759 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 6: your best friends. Who now, so it's like, oh, that 760 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 6: doesn't That's not the first match back that I wanted. 761 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 6: First match back. I wanted Kingdom Reigning Supreme. You know, 762 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 6: high fiving people, hugging people, whatever. But sometimes you have 763 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 6: to just go with the cards you're dealt. We're probably 764 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 6: gonna hurt each other and we're probably gonna hit each 765 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 6: other hard. It's probably gonna be violent, and uh, it's 766 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 6: the name of the game. 767 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 3: I'm okay with it. I know he's okay with it. 768 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 2: So yeah, he's uh, he's he's a scary dude. 769 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: We had him on right before he made that transition. Yeah, 770 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: that when he was on and he was working, we 771 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: we talked all kinds of stuff and then just watching 772 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: this character evolve and I'm like, what is. 773 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 2: Like I was. 774 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 6: I remember talking to Tavian about it, and I was like, 775 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,720 Speaker 6: I always knew he liked horror movies, but I didn't 776 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 6: know I liked him that much. 777 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 3: You know. 778 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 6: It's like what I It's like, I like, I like 779 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 6: rock music. Doesn't mean I'm gonna go out dressed as 780 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 6: bon Jovi or as you know. It's like, I'm probably 781 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 6: gonna get killed that I said bon Jovi at. 782 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:17,399 Speaker 2: He rocked at one time. 783 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 6: Now, yeah that's I'm like, I'm gonna get I'm gonna 784 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 6: get killed for that. 785 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 2: JBJ had some hits. Now we got to talk about it. 786 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 3: That you get my gist? That's what? 787 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, you know I certain topics. I won't talk 788 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 6: video games because I'll say one wrong thing. And people 789 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 6: kill me. I won't get their anime because it just 790 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 6: people will probably come and blow my house up. 791 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 3: But I can play. 792 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 2: Madden in Call of Duty. That's about as far as 793 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 2: I get. 794 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 6: I've I've crushed the Resident Evil games and then I 795 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 6: just turn off my PlayStation. 796 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 2: That's that's the way to do it. 797 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 6: Yeah, especially in the Ring of Honor Bubble, I gotta 798 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 6: I gotta play as many games as I can because 799 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 6: we're just in a hotel room. 800 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 5: I only put in about fifty hours on my PS 801 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 5: four and it was probably the least amount of gaming 802 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 5: I've done on a system. So when you know the 803 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 5: PS five came out, like, I'm not even gonna buy one, 804 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 5: I don't think, so. 805 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 6: I gotta get one. I gotta go the Ring of 806 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 6: Honor Bob soon and I want a PS five. I 807 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 6: told my wife. I was like, I don't care if 808 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 6: it's a Christmas present and you give it to me 809 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 6: two months early. I was like, I need this, have 810 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,320 Speaker 6: it a Ring of Honor bubble, but all gotta have it. 811 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 5: So kind of bouncing off of that New Japan question. 812 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 5: One thing I mean I think we're excited about is 813 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 5: the potential for you guys against the Good Brothers. Because 814 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 5: of the contract they have with Impact, they can work 815 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 5: at New Japan as well. So I think that's, uh, 816 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 5: that's a match that we kind of have on the radar. 817 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 5: We're kind of waiting for the world to reset so 818 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 5: we can get that match. So you kind of mentioned earlier, 819 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 5: you know, we talked about the Nick Autist match for 820 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,720 Speaker 5: the WA title kind of being like maybe a turning 821 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 5: point in your career. Who are some of the other 822 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 5: opponents you think you're you know, maybe you've had your 823 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 5: best matches with or you brought the best out of 824 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 5: them or both, Like, who are some other ones you 825 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 5: would kind of put on that list with with Autus? 826 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,359 Speaker 6: You know, so right off the top of my head, 827 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 6: the first person I think of his land Storm when 828 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 6: we when I got the chance of the opportunity to 829 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 6: do that Ring of Honor too, right, Ring of Honor, Yeah, 830 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 6: when I got the chance to work him at one 831 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 6: was WrestleMania Weekend, then another one was uh pay per 832 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 6: view up in Toronto, and then another one was a Ring. 833 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 3: Of Honor TV taping. 834 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 6: But those matches, I think, uh, those matches gave the 835 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 6: like I always felt like I was kind of on 836 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 6: the outside bubble of Ring of Honor, where like fans 837 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 6: didn't really accept me yet. They were just kind of like, 838 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 6: who's this kid, what's he like? Why is he here? 839 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 3: Uh? 840 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 6: And you know, my matches weren't really up to par 841 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 6: with what Ring of Honor wanted, and that was on me. 842 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 3: And again I take full accountability for that. 843 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 6: Lance was the one that finally gave me the confidence 844 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 6: to come out of my shell and to put on 845 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 6: these matches and to be like, no, you can do this, 846 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 6: you do belong here. 847 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,320 Speaker 3: And I to this day when. 848 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 6: He was a producer at WWE and I was still there, 849 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 6: I thanked him for that, like we and we built 850 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 6: this a great friendship out of it, and he's a mentor, 851 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 6: he's a friend we still talk to this day. And 852 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 6: that was that always just stands out because I was 853 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 6: really struggling at Ring of Honor at that point where 854 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 6: I couldn't get my feet underneath me, and he. 855 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 3: Gave me that foundation. 856 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 6: He put on matches, Like I remember fans coming up 857 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:42,919 Speaker 6: to me and they were like, that was the match 858 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 6: that I became a fan, those three matches or that 859 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 6: one match or those two match like and it just 860 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 6: when someone of that magnitude and someone that you have 861 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 6: that much respect for goes out of there, it's again 862 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 6: it goes back to the Nick all this thing like, 863 00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 6: I have so much respect for Nick as a human 864 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 6: and as a person and as a wrestler, and for 865 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 6: him to go out of his way to help me 866 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 6: when he doesn't have to, And the same thing with Lance. 867 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 6: You just there are moments in your career that you'll 868 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,760 Speaker 6: never forget. And again because people help you and they 869 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 6: support you, those moments always stick out. And it's kind 870 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,840 Speaker 6: of why my mission for the last like three or 871 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 6: four years is I just want to help people. I 872 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 6: want to elevate people. I want to elevate younger wrestlers. 873 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 6: I want to elevate older wrestlers that haven't been given 874 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,320 Speaker 6: a break. I want to I want to help guys. 875 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 6: I've had the opportunity to wrestle for all these major companies, 876 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 6: travel the world, be on national television, do things I 877 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,400 Speaker 6: never imagined in my wildest dreams, and it was because 878 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,240 Speaker 6: I was given help. It's because else paid it forward, 879 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 6: and that's my goal. Now I'm going to pay it forward. 880 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 2: Now. 881 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 6: I still have goals on my own, but I'm like, 882 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 6: I can do both at the same time. And I 883 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 6: learned that through guys like Lance Storm and Nick all this, 884 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 6: Like that's what you do, and that's that's how the 885 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 6: industry keeps rolling, right. 886 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 5: And I mean like, if you're using the pie analogy, 887 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 5: there's enough pie to go around for everyone, you know, 888 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:05,240 Speaker 5: I mean. 889 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 3: There's too much. 890 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's almost too much. You know, we're we're breaking 891 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:09,399 Speaker 2: it down. 892 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 5: We're like, all right, there's wrestling on Monday, there's stacked 893 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,840 Speaker 5: stuff on Tuesday, there's stuff on Wednesday, there's stuff on 894 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 5: the weekends, there's pay per views, and it's just like 895 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 5: you know, as a kid, you're kind of like I 896 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 5: wish I could watch wrestle on every day, and now 897 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 5: you have that option, and it's kind of like to overload, 898 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,839 Speaker 5: you know, you got to reset a little bit. 899 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:26,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, I tell you that all the time. 900 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 6: I say, if anyone that says there's not enough room 901 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,959 Speaker 6: on the top, they're lying to you. They just want 902 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 6: you on the top. They're trying to down. There's plenty 903 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 6: of top room, top space, uh room penhouse sweet to 904 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 6: go around. 905 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:43,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, And you. 906 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 1: Know you kind of address that, you talked about doing 907 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: more stuff with Ring of Honor. Now, of course, we 908 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: haven't seen anything officially announced, so we're kind of letting 909 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,240 Speaker 1: that be to you. Can you comment on your status 910 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: to Ring Ring of Honor? Have you officially signed with them? 911 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: Are you still kind of. 912 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 6: Haven't officially signed with them? And you know, I take 913 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,239 Speaker 6: everything right now in this world with a grain of 914 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 6: salt because again, the world is on fire and it's 915 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 6: not like we're selling out arenas right now. It's not like, 916 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 6: you know, so you have to take everything with a 917 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 6: grain of salt. You have to understand that. 918 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 3: Again. 919 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,800 Speaker 6: Yes, and we talked about it earlier, but these companies 920 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 6: are still businesses and they have to make business decisions. 921 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,480 Speaker 6: They did good work with not firing anyone, but going forward, 922 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 6: you still have to be a profitable business. So I'm 923 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 6: not under contract with them, but I'm I'm not going anywhere. 924 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 6: This is I'm home, man, And I've said that to them. 925 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 6: I've talked to them, I you know, and I don't 926 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 6: care if this hurts me financially. 927 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,000 Speaker 3: I'm home. I'm happy. I'm staying there. 928 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 6: They're going to have to drag me out, and I 929 00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 6: think they know that they won't drag me out, but 930 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 6: that once I went there. When I returned, I was 931 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 6: just like, see, like I said, seeing Lethal, seeing the 932 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 6: Brisco see in Dalton, seeing everyone backstage, all these friends 933 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 6: that I came up with management. You know, it's just 934 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,879 Speaker 6: seeing Bobby Cruz and seeing Todd Sinclair, who I came 935 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 6: up with in the New England scene. 936 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,400 Speaker 3: It just why would I go anywhere? I'm happy. I 937 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,359 Speaker 3: get to wrestle and make a living. I'm good. 938 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 2: And that's the thing is, like you we watched that 939 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 2: when you when you. 940 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 1: Showed up, and just the interaction with you and Matt 941 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 1: at the end and everything, like you can genuinely tell 942 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 1: that you are happy. And then seeing this in the interview, 943 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 1: like you're smiling the entire time anytime you talk about 944 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,359 Speaker 1: Ring of Honor, like you have that grin, and it's 945 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 1: like you can genuinely tell that you are very happy 946 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:41,399 Speaker 1: to be home. 947 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just I just that last TV taping. I 948 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 6: remember I came back and I just said to my wife, 949 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 6: I was like, yep, that's I put out a tweet. 950 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 6: And it was because back in like twenty eighteen, in 951 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,960 Speaker 6: my head, I was like I need to leave WWE 952 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 6: and go back to Ring of honor, and that's what 953 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 6: my gut was telling me. And then after this last 954 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,279 Speaker 6: TV taping, I tweeted out, you know, trust your gut 955 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 6: because that was my gut. I didn't listen to it 956 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 6: back then, but I'm listening to it now. And you 957 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 6: just your heart, your brain, your mind. They always have 958 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 6: a way of knowing exactly who you're meant to be 959 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 6: and who you're supposed to be, and for some reason 960 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,399 Speaker 6: we all always fight it. We all know you don't 961 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,320 Speaker 6: know me, brain, you don't know me, contient, stop talking 962 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,440 Speaker 6: to me like that. And then you go, oh, you 963 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,760 Speaker 6: do know what you're done. So it's like I've started 964 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 6: to listen to that voice as opposed to the voice 965 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,400 Speaker 6: that's going you suck, go do this, make more money, 966 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,799 Speaker 6: brighter life, Like, screw that voice. 967 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 5: Well, it's kind of that whole thing, Like you can't 968 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 5: put a price on happiness, you know what I mean. 969 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,879 Speaker 5: So I mean, I'm sure you were making really good 970 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 5: money in WWE, but then like what it. 971 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:50,839 Speaker 2: Costs, you know what I mean? 972 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 3: Like I was miserable. 973 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,319 Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, And I'm a firm believer that if you're 974 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,399 Speaker 6: doing something you're happy about, the money will eventually come. 975 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, it'll show too, you know, I mean, your your 976 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,920 Speaker 5: performance will improve your relationships. I mean it's just, you know, 977 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 5: it's it's kind of an avalanche, you know, like once 978 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 5: you change that mentality, I'll get back to that. 979 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 2: I have another Ring of Honor question. 980 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 5: So they just, you know, they just reintroduced the Pure 981 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,760 Speaker 5: Championship that the foundation one Jonathan Gristram was, is that something? 982 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,360 Speaker 5: Do you do you have any aspirations of going after 983 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:25,920 Speaker 5: that title? 984 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 2: You know, it's very, very prestigious. I mean said that 985 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:29,880 Speaker 2: without hesitation. 986 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,719 Speaker 6: He just said, dude, it's again when I tell you 987 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,879 Speaker 6: I refound my love for professional wrestling. I found love 988 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 6: and professional wrestling that didn't exist before. I was never 989 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,000 Speaker 6: I was never a fan of pure technical wrestling. 990 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 3: I've a fan. 991 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,680 Speaker 6: I've started, like I've watched all these old Pure title 992 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 6: matches with Nigel and Brian and like I'm like, you know, 993 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,359 Speaker 6: and I think because I had a stigma of what 994 00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 6: technical wrestling was. 995 00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,439 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are there. 996 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 6: And I watch guys do it good, like Gresham and 997 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,959 Speaker 6: Lethal and shouldn't say good. I watch guys do it well. 998 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:12,080 Speaker 6: My professor family, my whole family's teachers. They'll kill me, 999 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 6: you're not doing good, You're not Superman. Yeah, you know 1000 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,880 Speaker 6: it's I I found a love for all this different 1001 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,640 Speaker 6: kind of wrestling, and one again, I started like I 1002 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 6: was always I always knew Kobashi was good. I always 1003 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,439 Speaker 6: watched some of his matches, but then I went back 1004 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,920 Speaker 6: and I like studied his matches and like some of 1005 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,680 Speaker 6: those All Japan matches, some of those Noah matches. When 1006 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,239 Speaker 6: I talk about being real and professional wrestling, that's as 1007 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,360 Speaker 6: real as it gets. Like there's raw, genuine emotion in 1008 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,799 Speaker 6: those matches, like you feel it and it and that's 1009 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,839 Speaker 6: what I've I've started to love about wrestling, like we 1010 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,800 Speaker 6: talk about it all the time, but wrestling is all emotion. 1011 00:45:56,080 --> 00:46:00,279 Speaker 6: And again, if you can connect with people emotionally, you 1012 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,400 Speaker 6: have them, you've won got them. And I never thought 1013 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,840 Speaker 6: you could connect with people emotionally through technical wrestling or 1014 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:12,880 Speaker 6: through pure wrestling. Watching Gresham watching Lethal, watching Nigel, watching Brian, 1015 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,879 Speaker 6: I was like, no, you can. You absolutely can. It's 1016 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,759 Speaker 6: just how you do it. And I mean, and I 1017 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,440 Speaker 6: want to take this on. Gresham is unbelievable, like he's 1018 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,200 Speaker 6: and then that's not knock on anyone else, but. 1019 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,879 Speaker 3: He's, uh, he's it's like, as far. 1020 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 6: As technical wrestling, there's Gresham and then there's everybody else, 1021 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,840 Speaker 6: Like it's not even And if he if his goal 1022 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 6: is to bring back technical wrestling, he's the only one 1023 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:39,239 Speaker 6: that can do it. 1024 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,600 Speaker 3: If he can do it, then there's no hope for it. 1025 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: And ironically, not only does Gresham have the pure title, 1026 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,280 Speaker 1: but he's also won half of the tag team titles. 1027 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 5: So with mister, I mean, I can, yeah, for sure, 1028 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,680 Speaker 5: that would that would be a double insult to take 1029 00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,040 Speaker 5: his pure title and then y'all. 1030 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,719 Speaker 3: Take the technical takea title, have a new goal. 1031 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I think what you're saying. 1032 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, for me growing up, when I 1033 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,880 Speaker 5: when someone said, you know, they're like a technical wrestler, 1034 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,359 Speaker 5: my mind went to like collegiate wrestling, you know, and 1035 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 5: it's like I don't want to see I want to 1036 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,719 Speaker 5: see sting, Like I don't want to see that, you know. 1037 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,279 Speaker 2: And so and you know, I'll say this too. 1038 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,640 Speaker 5: I think at one point, All Japan was the best 1039 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,279 Speaker 5: promotion on the planet. I mean, you know, I think 1040 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,320 Speaker 5: they I think they've gotten a little overshadowed with the 1041 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,840 Speaker 5: explosion of New Japan. But I mean, if you go 1042 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,279 Speaker 5: back and look at some of that stuff from I 1043 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,040 Speaker 5: don't know what late eighties into the early two thousands. 1044 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,480 Speaker 5: I mean, it's just unbelievable. Even even some of the 1045 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:43,000 Speaker 5: early eighties stuff was just unreal, you know. But uh 1046 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,680 Speaker 5: but it's like like you said, I mean, it's all 1047 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,120 Speaker 5: about telling the story. So whether you're in paint and 1048 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,600 Speaker 5: you're jumping off of you know whatever, or you're you're 1049 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,000 Speaker 5: just doing it from the ground game with with moves 1050 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,239 Speaker 5: and stuff, I mean, it's just uh so we were 1051 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,359 Speaker 5: really excited that they brought back that title. I think 1052 00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 5: the fans have wanted it for you know, at least 1053 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,200 Speaker 5: over a decade or so however long. 1054 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,560 Speaker 6: That's that's such the cool thing about pro wrestling is 1055 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,600 Speaker 6: to me, you can take someone like Kobashi, who I 1056 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 6: think is amazing and represents pro wrestling to a tea. 1057 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,839 Speaker 6: You can take someone like Orange Cassidy, who I think 1058 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,440 Speaker 6: is amazing and represents pro wrestling to a tee, and 1059 00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:21,760 Speaker 6: that's that's pro wrestling. 1060 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:22,880 Speaker 2: That's what flavors. 1061 00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, And it's just like, I'm so sick of this 1062 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,560 Speaker 6: argument of what's good and what's bad. What's good is 1063 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 6: if you like it, if okay, it's subjective. You don't 1064 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,239 Speaker 6: like horror movies, don't watch horror movies? Yeah, bad, It 1065 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,520 Speaker 6: just means you don't like them. You know, you like comedy, 1066 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,640 Speaker 6: Good watch. I happen to like comedy movies and horror movies. 1067 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,880 Speaker 6: Maria hates horror movies. You always watch his sci fi. 1068 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:45,960 Speaker 6: I'm not that big of a sci fi guy, but 1069 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:47,279 Speaker 6: that doesn't mean I think it's bad. 1070 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,320 Speaker 3: I just know that's wrestling. 1071 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's what's frustrating for people, like not trying 1072 00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,040 Speaker 5: to give too much time to someone else. But you know, 1073 00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,480 Speaker 5: Jim Cornett legend in the business, but he has this 1074 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,319 Speaker 5: box where he's like, that's not professional wrestling, and it's 1075 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,840 Speaker 5: like why, I mean, it's you know, I kind of 1076 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,520 Speaker 5: joke and say, it's it's like the Hillbilly opera, you know. 1077 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,719 Speaker 5: I mean it's it's a performance with the actors are 1078 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:16,600 Speaker 5: doing their own stunts. 1079 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:17,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1080 00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,400 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, and like you just said, the movie analogy, 1081 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,360 Speaker 5: there's not like one type of movie. 1082 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:22,960 Speaker 2: There's you know, cartoons or so. 1083 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,800 Speaker 5: I'm sure you have to watch a ton with your kids, 1084 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,799 Speaker 5: you know, Hamilton, there's sci fi, there's hard I mean, 1085 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,560 Speaker 5: there's so many different flavors, and you know, it's just 1086 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,080 Speaker 5: so shortsighted for someone who's a legitimate legend like Jim 1087 00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,080 Speaker 5: Cornett who can't see and he rips Orange Cassid and 1088 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,160 Speaker 5: you know all those stupid like no, he's over. That's 1089 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,960 Speaker 5: the that's the end game. If you can get over. 1090 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,880 Speaker 6: That's it my mind when it comes to wrestling, And 1091 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,680 Speaker 6: again I'll probably be torn to shreds for this, but 1092 00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:53,279 Speaker 6: it's it's where a TV show, it's phony, it's it's 1093 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:58,040 Speaker 6: make believe like it once, once you realize that it's 1094 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,960 Speaker 6: just you see wrestling like, but when you're trained, like 1095 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,600 Speaker 6: when I was coming up, it is it is ingrained 1096 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,239 Speaker 6: and instilled in you, like no, this is the way 1097 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,600 Speaker 6: the business is done. Don't do it this way. You're disrespectful. 1098 00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,880 Speaker 6: And I fed into that and I believed it. And 1099 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,400 Speaker 6: for the long time, like I said before, like I 1100 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,800 Speaker 6: couldn't get my feet underneath me at Ring of Honor, 1101 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,080 Speaker 6: and my mindset was, well, they just don't know good wrestling. 1102 00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,160 Speaker 3: Not what can I do to become to get over 1103 00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:23,600 Speaker 3: with them? 1104 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:23,759 Speaker 5: Right? 1105 00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:29,520 Speaker 6: Their fault? And now wait what, No, they're they're the consumer. 1106 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,239 Speaker 6: I'm giving them a product. If they don't like it. 1107 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,760 Speaker 6: I have to change. It's my product, right exactly, because 1108 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,040 Speaker 6: if I make the iPhone and nobody buys it, I'm 1109 00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,640 Speaker 6: not gonna go, Well, they just don't know a good phone, right, No, 1110 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,759 Speaker 6: I'm gonna go no, I gotta fix this. 1111 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,000 Speaker 3: Yeah problem, well iPhone. 1112 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:47,960 Speaker 5: And it's like you know what you said too, with 1113 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,160 Speaker 5: like people coming up in trainers and stuff, some of 1114 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,080 Speaker 5: them still you know, it's the whole thing, like protecting 1115 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:53,600 Speaker 5: the business or protecting the secrets. 1116 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,560 Speaker 2: Bro, there's no secrets. This is twenty twenty, you know. 1117 00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,920 Speaker 5: I mean, and I don't even think people remember this, 1118 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,600 Speaker 5: but there was a show I think it was on Fox, 1119 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,000 Speaker 5: but it was the It was the same guy that 1120 00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:06,600 Speaker 5: that exposed magicians. 1121 00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,560 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, wrestling secrets he did. 1122 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,080 Speaker 5: He did the same thing with pro wrestling in the 1123 00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,280 Speaker 5: Attitude era. That was like ninety nine or two thousand. 1124 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,759 Speaker 5: Like the book's been open for decades, you know what 1125 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,360 Speaker 5: I mean. So you know, when you take that approach 1126 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,080 Speaker 5: that you have and you know it's a performance, your 1127 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,360 Speaker 5: creativity explode. 1128 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:23,680 Speaker 2: You know, the sky's the limit. 1129 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,200 Speaker 5: I mean, you can have someone like Brian Cage and 1130 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:27,799 Speaker 5: Orange Cassidy in the same ring. 1131 00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's like when I talk to younger guys, 1132 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,560 Speaker 6: that's kind of what because I think I think wrestling 1133 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,399 Speaker 6: is trending in that direction. I think we've gotten enough 1134 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,920 Speaker 6: guys to break through, like the Steen's and the Bucks 1135 00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,960 Speaker 6: and the Brian's and the Pond, like the guys that 1136 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,040 Speaker 6: were from my generation, the Coles and the Kyle o'rileys, 1137 00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,440 Speaker 6: that like they have this mindset of wrestling is so 1138 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,279 Speaker 6: much more than it than just this singular uh like 1139 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,680 Speaker 6: this singular box. I think wrestling is trending in the 1140 00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,200 Speaker 6: direction where it's like, no, all wrestling is accepted. All 1141 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,799 Speaker 6: wrestling is if you enjoy it, let's do it. If 1142 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,720 Speaker 6: it gets over. We know that it's not a real 1143 00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,480 Speaker 6: it's not a real competition. And I try to tell guys, 1144 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,600 Speaker 6: I'm like, if you have ideas that you think are crazy, 1145 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,239 Speaker 6: run with them to throw whatever against the wall and 1146 00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:19,160 Speaker 6: see what sticks. 1147 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,520 Speaker 5: Look at Matt Hardy, I mean, on paper, it doesn't 1148 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,160 Speaker 5: make any sense, but I mean he's rejuvenated his career, you. 1149 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,279 Speaker 6: Know, every time again, And I remember, I tell this 1150 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,480 Speaker 6: story all the time when when he started doing the 1151 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,720 Speaker 6: broken Matt Hardy gimmick. I remember getting to the getting 1152 00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:40,360 Speaker 6: to the universal studios, going backstage seeing Matt with the 1153 00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,279 Speaker 6: crazy hair and being like, I wonder, like no one 1154 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,920 Speaker 6: knew what he was doing, No until we saw it performed. 1155 00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,600 Speaker 6: And I remember he came to the back and he said, like, 1156 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,839 Speaker 6: I think I was the first person he saw. He 1157 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,799 Speaker 6: was like, well, that is either going to be the 1158 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,719 Speaker 6: best thing that ever happened in my career or I 1159 00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:58,440 Speaker 6: just killed it. 1160 00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a little and that's. 1161 00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,080 Speaker 3: How we thought. And I was like, that's so great. 1162 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:03,600 Speaker 3: I don't know. 1163 00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,880 Speaker 6: I just I've I think I've grown so much as 1164 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,759 Speaker 6: a wrestler and as a performer that I appreciate this. 1165 00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,080 Speaker 6: Like Bray Wyatt, I love thinking outside the box like you. 1166 00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,360 Speaker 6: I think what he's doing is fantastic, it's different. I 1167 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,840 Speaker 6: just Orange Cassidy, I love what he's doing. I just 1168 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,920 Speaker 6: think it's different. Different is great and it's fun. And 1169 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,319 Speaker 6: then on the same token, I love watching Gresham just 1170 00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:26,800 Speaker 6: be a technical wrestler. 1171 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:31,120 Speaker 3: You love all of it. It's that wrestling, yeah. 1172 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,480 Speaker 5: And it's frustrating when people don't understand it. Like you 1173 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,840 Speaker 5: like women's wrestling, yes, yeah, absolutely. It doesn't have to 1174 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,839 Speaker 5: be like a bikini match or a whip cream like 1175 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,319 Speaker 5: they're they're athletes, just like. 1176 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,080 Speaker 3: I think intergender wrestling is. 1177 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,759 Speaker 6: If I've seen some of the best matches I've ever 1178 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,719 Speaker 6: seen have been intergenderal anything Sarah del Ray was in, 1179 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,759 Speaker 6: Like I watched her in Generica one time, and I 1180 00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,840 Speaker 6: was like, that's the greatest match, Like, let alone a 1181 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,760 Speaker 6: woman and a man, Like that was just the greatest 1182 00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,319 Speaker 6: match ever. And if you can watch Superhero on TV, 1183 00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,160 Speaker 6: that's a woman kick the crap out of a man 1184 00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:04,840 Speaker 6: and then he kicks the crap out of her. Or 1185 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,360 Speaker 6: you can watch a woman just kick ass on TV 1186 00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,239 Speaker 6: and then the man beat Why can't you do it 1187 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,600 Speaker 6: in wrestling Again, That's where we need to draw this 1188 00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,880 Speaker 6: line of like, no, we are actors. 1189 00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:16,920 Speaker 3: This is a role. My wife always says it. We 1190 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,120 Speaker 3: need credits at the end of wrestling shows to. 1191 00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,719 Speaker 6: Say and even if I'm playing Mike Bennett, Mike Bennett 1192 00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,799 Speaker 6: as Mike Bennett not so then people know, Okay, he 1193 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,600 Speaker 6: played a role tonight. There's not this fine line of like, 1194 00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,520 Speaker 6: oh is wrestling is he really hitting a woman? No, 1195 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,359 Speaker 6: it's it's a TV show. Let's understand that, you. 1196 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,959 Speaker 5: Know, And then of course all the stories you could 1197 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:43,080 Speaker 5: tell what you know what those type of matches too. Well, 1198 00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,960 Speaker 5: this may be the shortest question or the shortest answer, 1199 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,319 Speaker 5: you know, I in my head, I think it's going 1200 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,160 Speaker 5: to be no like that. So but anyways, do you 1201 00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:57,040 Speaker 5: ever see yourself going back to w W under any circumstances? 1202 00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,759 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, if they say, hey, blank check 1203 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,120 Speaker 5: do whatever. I mean, is there any do you think 1204 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,960 Speaker 5: there's anything that could get you to go back orduously? 1205 00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:11,359 Speaker 3: I mean right now, no, it would. 1206 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,160 Speaker 6: It would take like they would just they would be like, 1207 00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,320 Speaker 6: we'll pay you a billion dollars for the rest of 1208 00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:17,840 Speaker 6: your life, and I would be, well, that might be 1209 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:18,520 Speaker 6: hard to turn down. 1210 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's one thing. 1211 00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,319 Speaker 6: It's it's kind of I had like a realization not 1212 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,319 Speaker 6: that long ago about why because I always play that 1213 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,719 Speaker 6: in my brain, like do you ever want to go back? 1214 00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,960 Speaker 6: And one of the hard things I have, One of 1215 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,520 Speaker 6: the things that I have the hardest time coping with 1216 00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,160 Speaker 6: or dealing with with that company is my values and 1217 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,279 Speaker 6: their values. They just don't line up. And that's a 1218 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,880 Speaker 6: very difficult thing for me to to try to like 1219 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:53,600 Speaker 6: just push aside I don't agree with and I had 1220 00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,560 Speaker 6: I did the shows, but I don't agree with their 1221 00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:59,239 Speaker 6: relationship with Saudi Arabia, that their values don't line up 1222 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:03,000 Speaker 6: with my value, not like just doing business with that, 1223 00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,880 Speaker 6: like that just doesn't align with my values as a 1224 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,799 Speaker 6: as a human. With the way they treat women, in 1225 00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,440 Speaker 6: the way they treat homosexuals like that, they just it 1226 00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:10,879 Speaker 6: doesn't it. 1227 00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:11,480 Speaker 3: Doesn't line up. 1228 00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,560 Speaker 6: I don't know, So doing shows for them, that's hard 1229 00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,920 Speaker 6: for me to deal with the way Vince runs his 1230 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:22,400 Speaker 6: business through fear and games and politics. I'm a thirty 1231 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,239 Speaker 6: five year old man with kids. If you have a 1232 00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,279 Speaker 6: problem with me, just tell me right with it. I 1233 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,239 Speaker 6: don't play games. That was one of the reasons why 1234 00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,680 Speaker 6: I butted heads there. I don't. I don't do that. 1235 00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,640 Speaker 6: When I was five, I did thirty five with kids 1236 00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,120 Speaker 6: and a mortgage in bills to pay and trying to survive. 1237 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:38,920 Speaker 3: No, I don't. I don't do that. 1238 00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,640 Speaker 6: So I just our values don't line up. When when 1239 00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,759 Speaker 6: people in that company say things like philanthropy is the 1240 00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:50,480 Speaker 6: new PR or the new the new media, I'm just like, No, 1241 00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:55,400 Speaker 6: philanthropy is philanthropy. It's doing work because you can and 1242 00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,880 Speaker 6: you should. It has nothing to do with PR. So 1243 00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,879 Speaker 6: when I think that, I just I don't know. And 1244 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,120 Speaker 6: you got when you have kids, your mindset changes come out. 1245 00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,800 Speaker 6: And so it's yeah, and you just in your values 1246 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,439 Speaker 6: change as a person. And I had kids, my values changed. 1247 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,800 Speaker 6: When I got sober, my values changed, and I went, 1248 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,760 Speaker 6: this isn't for me. Yeah, the money's great, but I 1249 00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,480 Speaker 6: want to be able to look at my daughter and 1250 00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,840 Speaker 6: look at my son in their eyes and say, Daddy 1251 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,960 Speaker 6: didn't just do everything for money. 1252 00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:29,920 Speaker 2: Oh totally. 1253 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,000 Speaker 3: Daddy did it because he believes in stuff. You know. 1254 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,800 Speaker 6: He believes in being a good person. He believes in 1255 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,280 Speaker 6: treating people fairly. He believes that if you have a 1256 00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,160 Speaker 6: little extra to give, you should give it. Those are 1257 00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:45,480 Speaker 6: just values that I believe in. And so long story, short, short, 1258 00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:50,680 Speaker 6: short term. No, if things drastically change over there, sure 1259 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:52,840 Speaker 6: I think they're you know, but they would have to 1260 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:53,920 Speaker 6: drastically change. 1261 00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:58,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we don't. Unfortunately, you know, that's probably not 1262 00:57:58,520 --> 00:57:59,000 Speaker 2: going to happen. 1263 00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,960 Speaker 6: While people how it change, I don't need you know, 1264 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,440 Speaker 6: people know what needs to happen. 1265 00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot. It's like you know what what you said. 1266 00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,400 Speaker 5: I mean, it's been proven time and time again. The 1267 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,120 Speaker 5: companies that run that way do not They're not well. 1268 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,800 Speaker 5: They may be successful as far as the bottom line goes, 1269 00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,280 Speaker 5: but as far as like happy employees and all that, 1270 00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,760 Speaker 5: I mean, it's you know, you know, not being direct 1271 00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,680 Speaker 5: with people, condescending fear like you said, I mean, that's 1272 00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,600 Speaker 5: not that's not a productive place to work, you know. 1273 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,480 Speaker 6: And it's just you can't build a company on fear 1274 00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,320 Speaker 6: because you don't get the best out of people. What 1275 00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,360 Speaker 6: you get is people doing what they think you want 1276 00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,160 Speaker 6: as opposed to what is actually best. Yeah, and that's 1277 00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,320 Speaker 6: that's a problem because when you're when you're the owner 1278 00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:47,160 Speaker 6: of a company, and you don't delegate to people that 1279 00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,520 Speaker 6: are better, Like I feel like I'm good at talking 1280 00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,520 Speaker 6: to people when it comes to business and money, I 1281 00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,680 Speaker 6: am the worst I ever run a company where I 1282 00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:00,080 Speaker 6: handle the finances because I suck at it and I 1283 00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:04,280 Speaker 6: know that, and I just I've been really big into 1284 00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,200 Speaker 6: like what makes good leaders and what makes good like 1285 00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,080 Speaker 6: and a good leader is someone who's empathetic, and a 1286 00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,160 Speaker 6: good leader knows what he's not good at and delegates 1287 00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:17,600 Speaker 6: other people to do that, and I just that's not 1288 00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:18,480 Speaker 6: how it works there. 1289 00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:23,400 Speaker 1: So well, We've got one last question for you, because 1290 00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:24,640 Speaker 1: I know you're a family man, so you got to 1291 00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:25,360 Speaker 1: get back to your family. 1292 00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,400 Speaker 2: And we've been on here for almost close to an hour. 1293 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,200 Speaker 1: So where is the best place that people can keep 1294 00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:31,400 Speaker 1: up with you online? 1295 00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:32,480 Speaker 3: Twitter? 1296 00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,520 Speaker 6: I love talking to fans on Twitter. I do my 1297 00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,840 Speaker 6: best to keep up with as many people as possible. 1298 00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:41,720 Speaker 6: It's at the real Mike Bennett on Twitter, and then 1299 00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:47,640 Speaker 6: Instagram is the real Michael Bennett. Someone took Mike Bennett. Yeah, 1300 00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:51,600 Speaker 6: come on. So yeah that I'm always on Instagram and 1301 00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,480 Speaker 6: I'm always on Twitter. Everything else, I'm just I'm I'm 1302 00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,960 Speaker 6: slowly working into getting a Twitch because, like I said, 1303 00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,640 Speaker 6: I enjoy talking to people and talking to fans. So 1304 00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:01,840 Speaker 6: if I can just you know, kill some time and 1305 01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,840 Speaker 6: talk to fans and enjoy it, I think I'll start 1306 01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:06,200 Speaker 6: doing that. 1307 01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:07,040 Speaker 3: But there'll be more. 1308 01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,440 Speaker 6: My wife's going to start one too, because you know, 1309 01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,880 Speaker 6: I don't know twitch and females. Everyone loves twitch and 1310 01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,720 Speaker 6: females playing video games. So I was like, our one, 1311 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,240 Speaker 6: why not? And she's like all right, yeah, so she'll 1312 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:20,880 Speaker 6: start one. But I just want to talk to people 1313 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,920 Speaker 6: because my wife is sick of talking to me. 1314 01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,200 Speaker 1: Well, anytime you want to talk to people, you are 1315 01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:27,600 Speaker 1: more than happy to come on our show. 1316 01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:28,920 Speaker 2: Greatly. 1317 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,440 Speaker 1: Do appreciate you taking the time out, and we're looking 1318 01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:35,960 Speaker 1: forward to seeing you beat Vinnie or excuse me, Vincent 1319 01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:37,720 Speaker 1: this weekend on Ring of Honor. 1320 01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,840 Speaker 6: I you know, I appreciate you guys having me on. 1321 01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,600 Speaker 6: I just want to say this, and I've been making 1322 01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,360 Speaker 6: it a point lately. I'm truly humbled when people want 1323 01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,040 Speaker 6: to talk to me, because in my head, I'm a nobody. 1324 01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,280 Speaker 6: Like I just I'm a kid who came from a 1325 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,160 Speaker 6: small town in Massachusetts that got lucky and got to 1326 01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,440 Speaker 6: live his dream. So when people get like, they're like, 1327 01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,520 Speaker 6: we want to talk to you, it's it's humbling. It's 1328 01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:02,880 Speaker 6: the same way I feel when people ask me for 1329 01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:04,360 Speaker 6: an autograph. I'm like, you want me to sign it? 1330 01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:08,120 Speaker 6: Like what my signature is worthless? But it's I'm humbled. 1331 01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,000 Speaker 6: I appreciate it, and again I thank you for putting 1332 01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:12,600 Speaker 6: up with my technical difficulty. 1333 01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,040 Speaker 1: It is all good, And like I said, I mean, 1334 01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:16,640 Speaker 1: it's an honor to have you on. You have been 1335 01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,040 Speaker 1: on our list of people to get on the show, 1336 01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:20,880 Speaker 1: even when you're with the past company. When I would 1337 01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,120 Speaker 1: reach out and be like, hey, we want to talk 1338 01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,360 Speaker 1: to Mike. No, we're going to send you some up well, 1339 01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:25,240 Speaker 1: I didn't want so and. 1340 01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:26,320 Speaker 2: So else Mike, and. 1341 01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,560 Speaker 3: Who here we have that guy. 1342 01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:35,800 Speaker 5: We're looking at the clipboard like, yeah, Mike did wait? 1343 01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:37,840 Speaker 2: Are you sure that last? 1344 01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:40,959 Speaker 1: But it is an honor to have you on the show. 1345 01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,360 Speaker 1: We are super grateful to have you on. And of course, 1346 01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,640 Speaker 1: definitely anytime you want to come back on and talk wrestling, 1347 01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:48,240 Speaker 1: the advice always opened. 1348 01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,640 Speaker 5: And when you're touring again, you have to come to 1349 01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,480 Speaker 5: the studio with the whatever belt or belt you've recrued. 1350 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,320 Speaker 3: By then you guys are in Nashville, right, Yes, I 1351 01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,040 Speaker 3: love Nashville. I can't wait place. 1352 01:01:58,240 --> 01:01:58,840 Speaker 2: I can't wait. 1353 01:01:58,920 --> 01:01:59,000 Speaker 6: Ye. 1354 01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:01,040 Speaker 3: Thank you, you guys appreciate it. 1355 01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:02,200 Speaker 2: Thanks, thank you. 1356 01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:02,400 Speaker 3: Care. 1357 01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,280 Speaker 7: We hope you enjoyed today's episode of the Battleground Podcast. 1358 01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:08,880 Speaker 7: Make sure you give it five stars and a nice review. 1359 01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,439 Speaker 7: To stay up to date with the show, follow them 1360 01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:22,480 Speaker 7: at Battleground Podcast on Instagram.