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Speaker 1: The Charlie Kirk Show starts now starting February first.

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Speaker 2: We're not making any payments to sanctuary cities or states

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Speaker 2: having sanctuary cities because they do everything possible to protect

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Speaker 2: criminals at the expense of American citizens and it breeds

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Speaker 2: fraud and crime and all of the other problems that comes.

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Speaker 2: So we're not making any payment to anybody that supports sanctuarycy.

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Speaker 2: We have also suspended nearly eight thousand SBA loans small

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Speaker 2: Business Association loans to suspected scammers in Minnesota, of whichever

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Speaker 2: many it's a great state. It was a great state.

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Speaker 2: Now it's getting destroyed by the stupid government.

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Speaker 1: What a stupid he is.

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Speaker 3: But he's a crook.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's an incompetent, but he's a crook.

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Speaker 1: He allowed us to go. You can't have.

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Speaker 4: You can't have corruption.

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Speaker 2: Under scale that nobody's ever seen before and you're sitting

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Speaker 2: as a governor and.

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Speaker 5: You don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 3: It's impossible, even though he's.

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Speaker 6: A stupid guy.

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Speaker 2: The two hundred billion dollars buy in on bonds and mortgages.

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Speaker 2: This will include a ban on large institutional investors buying

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Speaker 2: up single family homes all over the country and making

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Speaker 2: it impossible for people to buy all And I've also

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Speaker 2: announced that the US government is purchasing two hundred billion

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Speaker 2: dollars of mortgage bonds to bring down mortgage rates. Has

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Speaker 2: had a huge impacts already started.

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Speaker 4: What is that definition for equal protection purposes? What does

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Speaker 4: what does it mean to be a boy or a

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Speaker 7: A man or sorry I misenters through your question. I

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Speaker 7: think that the underlying enactment, whatever it was.

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Speaker 8: The policy, the law would have to we'd have to have.

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Speaker 7: An understanding of how the state or the government was

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Speaker 7: just understanding that term to figure out whether.

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Speaker 9: Or not someone was excluded.

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Speaker 8: We do not have a definition for the work.

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Speaker 10: Well, how can a court determined whether there's discrimination on

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Speaker 10: the basis of sex without knowing what sex means?

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Speaker 11: Greatcal protection purposes?

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Speaker 7: I think here we just know that we basically know

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Speaker 7: that the that they've identified, pursuing to their own statute,

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Speaker 7: Lindsay qualifies as a birth sex male, and she's being

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Speaker 7: excluded categorically from the women's teams as the statute. So

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Speaker 7: we're taking the statue's definitions as we find them, and

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Speaker 7: we don't dispute them on.

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Speaker 1: Whether we'll retaliate in the instance of US strikes.

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Speaker 12: I guess us asked in the Middle East, what do you.

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Speaker 13: Say to US service members about why it's worth the

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Speaker 13: risk and you're feeding on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ron said that the last time I blow them

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Speaker 2: up with the nuclear capability that which they don't have

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Speaker 2: any longer. So Aron said that the last time they

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Speaker 2: better behave.

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Speaker 14: This is what we used to see and why we

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Speaker 14: used to feel superior.

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Speaker 2: To Russia and.

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Speaker 9: To China.

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Speaker 14: And to the old Soviet Union, because we would see

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Speaker 14: people picked up on the street like this in those

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Speaker 14: countries from merely protesting. Now that is happening to American

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Speaker 14: citizens in American neighborhoods, in the suburbs in America, and

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Speaker 14: anybody who believes that there's anything American about that, well,

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Speaker 14: they must have just emigrated here from Beijing.

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Speaker 1: This looks like Russia, it really does.

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Speaker 14: This looks like something that you would expect in Russia,

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Speaker 14: that protesters. This is happening to protesters, not suspected murderers,

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Speaker 14: are rapists.

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Speaker 15: This is what America looks like.

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Speaker 14: In twenty twenty.

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Speaker 4: Five for protesters.

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Speaker 14: We always looked at what happened to the Soviet Union

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Speaker 14: and looked at what happened in Putin's Russia.

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Speaker 16: This woman was part of a group of people who

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Speaker 16: they train to try to be ICE interrupters, and what

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Speaker 16: film them, and try to use their white privilege.

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Speaker 9: To be honest, they're mainly white.

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Speaker 1: People, which is what we ask which is what we

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Speaker 16: Yeah, because black people like we can't get on, we

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Speaker 16: can't put our bodies on the line because cops will

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Speaker 16: shoot us. And so the presumption had been particularly a

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Speaker 16: white woman because remember, part of the rationale for doing

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Speaker 16: this with ICE is to save white women, Christine, white

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Speaker 9: Being ravaged by you know, criminal brown men. So they

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Speaker 9: white women have been taking the lead.

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Speaker 12: All we're learning from this is that you should hit

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Speaker 12: the gas. If you should, you should run them over.

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Speaker 12: You should run them over with your car, and you

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Speaker 12: should do it quickly before they could shoot you.

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Speaker 8: I have to go to my mechanic.

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Speaker 12: I have to hit my car fixed so that I

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Speaker 12: can drive faster, just in case this is insane.

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Speaker 8: You should hit them. You should hit them.

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Speaker 12: They will say you hit them anyway.

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Speaker 1: True.

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Speaker 17: Every day there's a battle for your mind. Raging information

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Speaker 17: coming from every angle, but the will to the sieve,

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Speaker 17: fear not. You found the place for truth, the voice

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Speaker 17: of a generation that still has the will to believe

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Speaker 17: in the greatest country in the history of the world.

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Speaker 1: This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Suck a lot, here

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Speaker 1: we go. All right, Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 5: It's January fourteenth, twenty twenty six. It's a new year,

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Speaker 5: but the same old tactics are being deployed in the

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Speaker 5: streets of American cities to battle deportations.

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Speaker 1: Mass deportations.

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Speaker 5: Something Charlie cared a lot about, something we at the

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Speaker 5: show continue to care a lot about. I believe that

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Speaker 5: deportations and immigration is the single most important issue. There's

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Speaker 5: lots of important issues, but I believe it is the

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Speaker 5: most important issue to fixing the country. It is the switch,

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Speaker 5: when flipped, that could fix a number, if not all,

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Speaker 5: the ills that we are currently facing. So what is

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Speaker 5: happening right now in the streets of Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: We have a.

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Speaker 5: Scourge of tyrannical, often white, affluent ladies, leftist ladies who

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Speaker 5: are now being used as cannon fodder on the front

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Speaker 5: lines of communist front groups. Attempting to attack and delegitimize

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Speaker 5: ICE operations in Minneapolis, Los Angeles, Portland, beyond Chicago, New York.

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Speaker 5: And so we have to analyze what is actually happening.

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Speaker 5: How are they going about recruiting this whole crop of women.

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Speaker 5: Often it's men, too, be fair, but it is often women,

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Speaker 5: often childless women, often white women, that are putting their

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Speaker 5: bodies on the line to impede, obstruct, harass, harangue, and

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Speaker 5: attack law enforcement personnel in the streets of America's cities.

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Speaker 1: So Blake. The question then, is what is an awful?

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Speaker 1: I want to.

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Speaker 5: Start with our base operating language here so that everybody's

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Speaker 5: on the same page.

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Speaker 6: So an awful is this is a slang term. It's

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Speaker 6: probably about a decade old at this point.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and it's.

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Speaker 6: Short for affluent white female liberal AWFL. But you pronounce

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Speaker 6: it awful for well, pretty pretty clear reasons.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's a type.

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Speaker 6: It's a type we see over and over again. We're

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Speaker 6: seeing it in these ICE protests. But you saw it

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Speaker 6: a tundering BLM. Most people probably know an awful or two. Uh,

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Speaker 6: And it's it's contained within that so affluent white female

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Speaker 6: liberal it's it's generally they don't need to be ultra rich,

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Speaker 6: but generally at least middle class, reasonably secure.

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Speaker 1: They're very much the stereotypical.

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Speaker 6: Intense you know, put up in this house, we believe signs,

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Speaker 6: but they do it with usually within a pretty strong

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Speaker 6: cocoon of security. So you know, we'll put like immigrants

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Speaker 6: welcome in their neighborhood that has a pretty low immigrant

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Speaker 6: population that's very secluded from America's. Yeah, they still live

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Speaker 6: in neighborhood that looks like it's nineteen fifty eight. They

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Speaker 6: you know, we'll really hate on police and then live

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Speaker 6: in a suburb that's very far away from anywhere that

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Speaker 6: the police are really needed that much, very militant about.

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Speaker 6: You know, probably spend a lot of too much time

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Speaker 6: on social media, so they get very whipped up on

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Speaker 6: every cause.

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Speaker 1: They change their profile.

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Speaker 6: Pick for every new thing, every new thing, every new scandal,

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Speaker 6: have enough free time to get very involved in activism,

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Speaker 6: so they go to marches. So ten years ago they

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Speaker 6: for gay rights. Ten years ago they'd be getting whipped

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Speaker 6: up for blm anti Trump, and you know today now

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Speaker 6: they're going around saying that ICE is the Gestapo.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Nazis.

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Speaker 5: They're they're referring to themselves as the French Resistance, which

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Speaker 5: the French Resistance obviously was fighting the Nazis. So it's

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Speaker 5: this isn't MSNBC now msn ms now reporter referring to

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Speaker 5: them as this. But they are organized, they are being trained,

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Speaker 5: they are being dispatched in a coordinated effort to harass, harangue,

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Speaker 5: attack ICE officers. They are convinced that they are freedom fighters,

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Speaker 5: that this is the modern day, noble, virtuous cause that

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Speaker 5: they have become.

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Speaker 1: Wrapped up in for righteous reasons.

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Speaker 5: And it's incredible the number of people that they can

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Speaker 5: is you have black women like Joy Reid encouraging white

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Speaker 16: This woman was part of a group of people who

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Speaker 16: they train to try to be ICE interrupters, and what

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Speaker 9: To be honest, they're mainly white people, which is.

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Speaker 1: What we ask which is what we ask them to

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah.

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Speaker 16: Because black people like we can't get on, we can't

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Speaker 16: And so the presumption had been particularly a white woman,

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Speaker 16: ICE is to save white women, Christine, white women from

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Speaker 1: Gosh the race, lady Joy Reid.

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Speaker 5: She continues to haunt us from beyond cable news in

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Speaker 5: the nightly broadcast. But why this is important, Blake, is

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Speaker 5: because they are actually encouraging real crazy people to and

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Speaker 5: I believe this is the entire game is they're gonna

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Speaker 1: You've got Jacob Frace and get out, You're not welcome here.

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Speaker 5: You're gonna have everybody comparing them to Gestapo and Nazis

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Speaker 5: and all of this, and then you're gonna have actual

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Speaker 5: crazy people. You shake the tree long enough, some are

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Speaker 5: gonna fall out and do crazy stuff that actually are

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Speaker 5: advocating for killing, shooting, ramming, running over ICE agents through

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Speaker 5: twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: Dame on them, run right on.

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Speaker 13: We we are right and we're gonna stand up and

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Speaker 13: we're gonna fight.

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Speaker 5: Life, completely deranged off their rock or off their meds.

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Speaker 1: There's more examples so.

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Speaker 6: Chantings besides the point it's there was a reporter from

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Speaker 6: the Free Press who has been in Minneapolis and talking

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Speaker 6: that they're having put up a three forty seven there.

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Speaker 6: He says that these protesters are loosening lugnuts on their car,

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Speaker 6: tracking federal vehicles using air tags. They use whistles to

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Speaker 6: to be like Ices here, it's like a constant attempt

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Speaker 5: All right, So, Blake, you had a clip that you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and this is this is really why you're getting

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Speaker 1: Play cut three thirty six.

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Speaker 20: You don't want militarized people in the streets just roaming

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Speaker 6: quite seen before. So I think if they were doing

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Speaker 6: this to normal cops, he would recognize the pattern. But

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Speaker 6: ICE isn't normal cops. It's slightly different, it's a new issue,

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Speaker 6: and just it slightly alters their brain. But yeah, they're

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Speaker 6: not going to be one hundred percent effective on these things.

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Speaker 5: Well, and listen, a temporary apprehension in the course of

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Speaker 5: six hundred and fifty thousand plus forceful deportations of people

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Speaker 5: that shouldn't be here, sixty five to seventy percent of

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Speaker 5: them are criminals.

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Speaker 1: I'll take that success any day. And if you want

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Speaker 1: to know why, we're doing this.

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Speaker 5: It's because Joe Biden led in millions of illegals.

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Speaker 1: They started the problem. We're fixing it. Get out of

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Speaker 1: the way. We're gonna analyze the psychology of it.

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Speaker 12: Next.

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Speaker 15: Welcome back to this Real America's Voice Newsbreak.

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Speaker 4: I'm Terrence Bates.

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Speaker 15: The House Oversight Committee has a contempt vote scheduled for

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Speaker 15: next week after both former President Bill Clinton and his

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Speaker 15: wife and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton failed to

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Speaker 15: show up for depositions related to the Oversight Committee's investigation

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Speaker 15: into Jeffrey Epstein. Their absence isn't necessarily a surprise, as

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Speaker 15: the former First Couple Congressman James Comer a letter saying

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Speaker 15: that they weren't coming in pretty much daring Comer and

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Speaker 15: his committee to hold them in contempt. Quote, we expect

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Speaker 15: you will direct your committee to seek to hold us

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Speaker 15: in contempt. You will say it's not our decision to make,

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Speaker 15: but we have made it. Now you have to make yours.

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Speaker 15: The couple rights Congressional Republicans are blasting both the Clintons

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Speaker 15: and Congressional Democrats for this week's failures to appear.

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Speaker 10: They didn't show up today, They're only interested in this subject.

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Speaker 10: When it doesn't involve victims, and it doesn't involve the

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Speaker 10: political operatives in their party, that's the only time they're interested.

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Speaker 10: When it involves the Clintons or victims, obviously they're actually

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Speaker 10: not interested.

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Speaker 15: The former president was scheduled to testify on Tuesday. The

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Speaker 15: former Secretary of State scheduled to testify today. Committee Chair

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Speaker 15: James Comer says the Clinton sent a letter again saying

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Speaker 15: that they won't be appearing because they believe that Comer

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Speaker 15: subpoenas are quote legally invalid.

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Speaker 4: Happening today, Vice President j D.

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Speaker 15: Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio hosting the foreign

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Speaker 15: ministers of Denmark and Greenland. The meeting comes as the

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Speaker 15: Trump administration is ramping up the rhetoric and efforts to

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Speaker 15: take Greenland. All of this is part of a strategic

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Speaker 15: national security effort for the United States. Buying Greenland could

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Speaker 15: reportedly cost up to seven hundred billion dollars, but officials

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Speaker 15: from both Greenland and Denmark say the Arctic island isn't

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Speaker 15: for sale. Greenland, by the way, is an autonomous Danish territory.

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Speaker 15: Denmark just announced that it is increasing its military presence

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Speaker 15: in and around Greenland. In response to President Trump's threat

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Speaker 15: of taking the island by any means necessary. The Danish

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Speaker 15: Defense Ministry also says there will be more military exercises

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Speaker 15: in Greenland alongside European and Arctic partners. No American involvement

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Speaker 15: was mentioned, though. That's a great check off your headlines.

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Speaker 15: We appreciate you being here with us. Now let's get

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Speaker 15: you back to the Charlie kirkshow.

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Speaker 11: This movement will not be silenced.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 5: All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. I think, Blake,

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Speaker 5: you've done a good job sort of. I think diagnosing

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Speaker 5: or describing the avatar of a lot of these people

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Speaker 5: that we see, you know, distilling their general traits in culture,

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Speaker 5: because it's there are stereotypes for a reason, because they

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Speaker 5: often are true.

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Speaker 11: Correct.

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Speaker 1: Now, this doesn't just impact women.

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Speaker 5: It's not just women that are getting co opted by

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Speaker 5: these communist front groups to go put their body on

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Speaker 5: the line like cannon fodder to fight ice or whatever,

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Speaker 5: playing g I Jane in the streets. It is men too,

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Speaker 5: and it help us diagnose actually what's going on here,

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Speaker 5: because I think it's a larger societal illness, a mental illness. Genuinely,

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Speaker 5: we call it trump to arrangement syndrome, but it's like

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Speaker 5: something even bigger than that, and it's enveloped in kind

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Speaker 5: of an anti colonial thing and an anti Western, anti

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Speaker 5: white thing. Is psychotherapist Jonathan Alpert. He's the author of

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Speaker 5: a book that comes out in May called Therapy Nation.

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Speaker 5: I thought was pertinent and relevant to our discussion today.

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Speaker 5: And just so everybody's aware, we're gonna get into Greenland,

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Speaker 5: we're gonna get into Iran a second hour, so just

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Speaker 5: hang tight with us on those stories as well. But Jonathan,

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Speaker 5: welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's great to have

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Speaker 5: you here.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, thanks for having me, Andrew, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely. And so you wrote this book, Therapy Nation.

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Speaker 5: You've kind of gone viral a couple times in the

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Speaker 5: beginning of the year and the end of last year

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Speaker 5: talking about some of these I guess mental ailments that

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Speaker 5: we see in the social media era, this hyper online era.

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Speaker 5: What do you make of these young people, often on

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Speaker 5: the left, that are so motivated by the propaganda that

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Speaker 5: they're willing to go literally ram ice officers put their

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Speaker 5: bodies on the line risk their lives by playing stupid games.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of it?

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Speaker 21: Yeah, and you have to really examine how we got

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Speaker 21: lines and put themselves in such a harmful position. And

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Speaker 21: you know, it's a tragedy what happened in Minnesota, and

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Speaker 21: it shouldn't have happened, but it did. And we have

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Speaker 21: to look at what's going on in people's heads. And

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Speaker 21: we have grievance culture that has just run wild. And

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Speaker 21: if you look at the Luigi man Geom case, that's

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Speaker 21: always a good example. You know, you have someone who

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Speaker 21: felt it was his right, his duty to take out

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Speaker 21: this CEO of the United Healthcare There are a million

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Speaker 21: different things he could have done instead of killing this guy,

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Speaker 21: but he chose to do this. And what happens is

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Speaker 21: people villainize a person, an organization, a company, a politician,

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Speaker 21: and then they just feel that it is absolutely their

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Speaker 21: right to.

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Speaker 18: Take action on it.

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Speaker 21: And we've seen great tragedies as a result of this

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Speaker 21: type of deranged thinking.

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Speaker 18: And you're right.

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Speaker 21: I did write a piece in the Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 21: talking about Trump derangement syndrome, and I made it clear

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Speaker 21: that it's not an actual diagnosis. But what I see

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Speaker 21: in my practice is deeply concerning to me. We have

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Speaker 21: people who are sick, they're staying out at night, if

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Speaker 21: they can't sleep at night. They're highly anxious. They feel

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Speaker 21: that they're empowered and they can just take action, and

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Speaker 21: it's a real concern of mine and the mental health profession.

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Speaker 21: My profession really needs to take a hard look at

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Speaker 21: what's going on with these people.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean to me, Jonathan, it feels like these groups,

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Speaker 5: these radical leftist groups, by the way, that we need

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Speaker 5: to root out the funding networks.

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Speaker 1: Treasuries working on that.

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Speaker 5: We're going to have some folks from Treasury soon talking

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Speaker 5: to them about how the progress is going about rooting

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Speaker 5: out the funding networks and the different connections. Right, We've

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Speaker 5: got ms ICE Watch that's actually training these agitators and

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Speaker 5: activists on how to disrupt ICE proceedings and ICE operations

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Speaker 5: in cities like Minneapolis and Portland and elsewhere. But it

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Speaker 5: feels to me that they are being preyed on. These

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Speaker 5: women are being preyed on. What makes them so vulnerable

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Speaker 5: and this is men too, to be fair, it's men

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Speaker 5: and women. But what makes them so vulnerable because Blake here, who's.

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Speaker 1: I think defined it really well. A lot of these

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Speaker 1: people are sort.

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Speaker 5: Of cocooned in communities or backgrounds that were safe, that

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Speaker 5: we're thriving, that we're happy in many ways, and yet

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Speaker 5: they are so alienated from America or so antagonistic to

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Speaker 1: Why are they vulnerable? Doctor?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, and you're right.

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Speaker 21: It is both men and women and everything in between,

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Speaker 21: of course. And I think part of the problem is

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Speaker 21: social media. It's some media outlets, echo chambers are created,

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Speaker 21: and people are just surrounding themselves with people like minded

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Speaker 21: people and data that's not entirely accurate. So many of

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Speaker 21: my patients over the past several years have talked to

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Speaker 21: me about how they think that Trump is Hitler. They

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Speaker 21: think he's a Nazi. He's going to round up certain

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Speaker 21: segments of the population them off to a far away island.

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Speaker 21: And we all know this isn't true, but some people

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Speaker 21: actually believe this. And when all you do is surround

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Speaker 21: yourself with like minded people, you actually do start to

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Speaker 21: believe that, and it becomes easier to villainize tromp or

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Speaker 21: ice officers or police officers and I think that's partially

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Speaker 21: what we have playing out on the streets across America

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Speaker 21: and specifically in Minnesota.

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Speaker 6: Jonathan does this Is there like any end stage for this?

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Speaker 6: It just it feels so it feels like this does

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Speaker 6: end in some sort of like catastrophic meltsal meltdown. I mean,

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Speaker 6: we've seen some of these people who they they just

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Speaker 6: seem super genuinely mentally unwealth. Is this a phase that

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Speaker 6: passes and they get over it? Does it get worse

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Speaker 6: and worse? I guess it just doesn't seem super stable

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Speaker 6: to me.

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Speaker 1: Is there healing?

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Speaker 21: Well, It's definitely not stable. I've appeared on Fox TV

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Speaker 21: and number of times and I've discussed how political division

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Speaker 21: out of the holiday season and I had patients who

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Speaker 21: refused to attend holiday dinner with their Trump voting uncle

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Speaker 21: or their progressive cousin.

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Speaker 18: And this really needs to end.

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 18: One of the things that I urged.

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Speaker 21: My patients to think about is that family and friends

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Speaker 21: should be more important than any political figure or political party. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 21: we're not seeing that, and it's reached a bit of

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Speaker 18: So people really need to.

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Speaker 21: Get back to what's important to them. And honestly, most

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Speaker 21: of my patients are too busy trying to earn a

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Speaker 6: Well, so you say the family and friend part is important,

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Speaker 6: I get why do you think we've gotten away from that?

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Speaker 6: We've talked at that on the show a lot, Charlie,

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Speaker 6: we talk about that a lot.

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Speaker 1: That there is that loss of family.

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Speaker 6: It seems so widespread though that it clearly seems systematic,

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Speaker 6: institutional societal I'm not sure people. It seems like people

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Speaker 6: just can't have the friends and family that they used to.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's too online. Is that the case, do you feel?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, and people are.

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Speaker 21: They're not looking at facts and data, they're looking They're

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Speaker 21: looking at the situation through the lens of emotion, and

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Speaker 21: that's really largely what's driving a lot of the behaviors

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Speaker 21: that we're seeing playing out, a lot of the pathological behaviors.

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Speaker 21: And if people could get back to friends, family, kids, passions,

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Speaker 21: hopefully that don't include politics, I think we'd get back

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Speaker 21: to a much better place as a nation.

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Speaker 1: So this is the new clip that's going around.

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Speaker 5: And you know, obviously the death of Renee Good, we

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Speaker 5: that it ended in her death, and we think that's

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Speaker 5: a tragedy. That being said, there's another video that seems

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Speaker 5: to be riling everybody up. My question for you on

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Speaker 5: the other side of this video is when does activism

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Speaker 5: agitation turn into direct and outright violence and what are

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Speaker 5: the precursors for that three thirty four.

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Speaker 19: Injury?

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Speaker 10: I would.

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Speaker 5: So she was blocking ice agents in the street, she

666
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 5: was told to get out of the way. She didn't

667
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 5: obey commands, which seems to be a theme here. I

668
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 5: don't know if they're getting trained to intentionally disobey law

669
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 5: enforcement commands and orders. But this is the video that

670
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 5: is now being used to rile up more activists, more atitation,

671
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 5: more agi prop if you will. Is this what they

672
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 5: do intentionally so that a few crazies become willing to

673
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Speaker 5: use actual violence.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, I actually think that's part of what's going on here.

675
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 21: I think these people have simply lost sight of morals

676
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 21: and what's important. And we have laws in place for

677
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 21: a reason, and I think they're just overlooking the fact

678
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 21: that these laws exist.

679
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 18: And you know, these people.

680
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Speaker 21: Are are parents, if they're spouses, I don't think that's

681
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 21: coming into their thinking in that moment when they decide

682
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 21: to violate or not obey the law enforcement officers. But

683
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 21: that shows you just how powerful this is. People are

684
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Speaker 21: willing to sacrifice indirectly, unconsciously their lives for this cause

685
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 21: that's not even rooted in fact. So it's deeply concerning

686
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 21: to me as a mental health professional what we're seeing

687
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 21: play out on the streets. I used to be that

688
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 21: you would go out there, make some noise and get

689
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 21: your get your statements out there, and get your thoughts

690
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 21: out there. But now we have people that are actually

691
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 21: risking their lives and that's that's a very dangerous place

692
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 21: to be.

693
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Speaker 5: Yeah, And and I guess the question is, you know

694
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 5: this hits home for us personally with what happened with Charlie,

695
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 5: is this dehumanizing language ultimately makes these some of these

696
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 5: crazy people think that they're doing something righteous when they

697
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 5: use violence. Again, when you call them gestapo when you

698
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 5: call them Nazis, What are the precursors? What do you

699
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 5: need to look for with people that could be actually

700
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 5: turning violent in using guns, cars, whatever.

701
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 21: Yeah, and that's what I saw with President Trump as well.

702
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 21: We had people that would just demonize him.

703
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 7: Uh.

704
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 21: They were convinced that he was a Nazi, a dictator,

705
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 21: and that just gave them the right and their pathologic

706
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 21: mind to take to take action. I think these people

707
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 21: lack purpose in their lives. I think they there's underlying anxiety, depression.

708
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 21: There's a lot of catastrophic thinking, a whole lot of

709
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 21: drama in their lives, and these people largely need an

710
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 21: object to displace that onto. And we saw it here

711
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 21: in New York with the election with Mandani and.

712
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 18: The hatred towards towards wealthy people.

713
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 21: It almost seems like they always need someone to blame

714
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,919
Speaker 21: for their own shortcomings. There was once a time when

715
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 21: we would look at wealthy people and feel inspired by

716
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 21: them and try to figure out how we could get

717
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 21: to that place. But now in some people's mind, we

718
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 21: go right towards hatred. So admiration doesn't seem to exist

719
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Speaker 21: these days.

720
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Speaker 5: Doctor you said that seventy five percent of your patients

721
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 5: and this is one of your viral stories, have what

722
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 5: you would call TDS. You know, you're saying it's not

723
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 5: an actual diagnosi, it's not clinical, but this is what

724
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Speaker 5: you would describe about seventy five percent.

725
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Speaker 1: Is that right?

726
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 21: Yeah, And it's not an actual diagnosis, but a lot

727
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 21: of what I'm seeing symptoms the high anxiety. People rearranged

728
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 21: in their their lives, deciding who they're who they date,

729
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 21: who they're friends with, whether they can take a vacation

730
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Speaker 21: or not. Uh, these are pretty significant actions that are

731
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Speaker 21: that are happening. And I would say about three quarters

732
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Speaker 21: of my patients are impacted by this in some way.

733
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Speaker 21: And I even went so far as to say it's

734
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Speaker 21: the defining pathology of the last half decade.

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Speaker 1: Well, hopefully we can get through this. Doctor. Thank you

736
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Speaker 1: for your time. We appreciate your insight.

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Speaker 5: All right, God bless you and we'll talk to you.

738
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Speaker 18: Thank you, guys, Bye bye, We'll be right back.

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Speaker 6: Welcome back to the Charlie kirksh So, while we've been

740
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 6: discussing all of this drama with Ice, there's other drama

741
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 6: unfolding in the furthest Hyperborean North with Ice, with ice,

742
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 6: a lot of ice, not amounts of Iceland.

743
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: No true story.

744
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 6: So Greenland, the legend goes, I don't remember if this

745
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 6: is true, but the legend goes, Iceland is there that's

746
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 6: full of ice. And then Eric the Red sails further

747
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 6: and discovers Greenland and he names supposedly he names it

748
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 6: Greenland to scam people into wanting to move there. They

749
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 6: did have Norse settlements there for a long time. It

750
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 6: didn't work out great for them. They were I believe

751
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 6: eventually they were conquered. They kind of they had too

752
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 6: much inbreeding and they kind of fell into societal Okay,

753
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 6: there were only a few thousand people there, and they

754
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 6: were eventually conquered and killed by the Inuits, who were

755
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 6: not the original native inhabitants either. And then eventually Denmark

756
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 6: reacquired it. So it's not that they were always there.

757
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 6: They actually reacquired it later after this. They've been holding

758
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Speaker 6: it a long time. As I'm sure all of you

759
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 6: know by now, President Trump has become very interested in

760
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 6: acquiring Greenland.

761
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of reasons to do that.

762
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Speaker 6: It is super far north and so a lot of

763
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 6: you may know, other than the Alaska near being near Russia.

764
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Speaker 6: The fastest way for America to European Russia is straight

765
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Speaker 6: north over the North Pole. That matters a lot for

766
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 6: things like nuclear submarines, ICBMs, all of those things. It's

767
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 6: just fastest point between two areas on a globe. And

768
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Speaker 6: so we've had military bases in Greenland ever since throughout

769
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Speaker 6: the Cold War. It's all noteworthy. On top of that,

770
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Speaker 6: it's a big chunk of land. There are potentially a

771
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Speaker 6: lot of natural resources beneath the thick Greenland ice sheet.

772
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Speaker 6: It could be economical to extract those someday as other

773
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Speaker 6: sources of resources run out.

774
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Speaker 1: So President Trump's been very interested in that.

775
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Speaker 6: Today, the Danish foreign minister was in the United States

776
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Speaker 6: in the Eisenhower Building to have a meeting with.

777
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Speaker 1: Jade Vans and Secretary of State Mark Rubio. We sounds

778
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Speaker 1: like we're.

779
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 6: Going to have a press statement from those Danish ministers

780
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 6: any minute now. It'll be interesting what they say. We've

781
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 6: heard that it went very well.

782
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Speaker 1: We have it.

783
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Speaker 6: We have a source who was at the meeting who

784
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 6: saw what the Vice President and what Mark Rubia did.

785
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Speaker 6: Remember they're supposed to be in a feud with each other,

786
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 6: but they seem to be working.

787
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Speaker 1: They're not. Of course they're not. They are allies. They

788
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Speaker 1: are working together on this.

789
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Speaker 6: They're very act Yeah, of course they're and apparently they

790
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 6: have made us proud on this one. It's very interesting

791
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 6: what's going on the White House. It's clear this is

792
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 6: a passion project of the President. Just today, the White

793
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 6: House tweeted which way Greenland man? And it's two kind

794
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 6: of sled dog things that the Greenland flag. And you know,

795
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 6: you can go with America or with China Russia. And

796
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 6: that's the line President Trump was taking today. He also

797
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 6: posted this untruth this morning the United States. The United

798
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Speaker 6: States needs Greenland for the purpose of national security. It

799
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 6: is vital for the Golden Dome, that's his missile defense

800
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 6: shield that we are building. NATO should be leading the

801
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 6: way for us to get it. If we don't, China

802
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 6: or Russia will. And that is not going to happen militarily.

803
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 6: Without the vast power of the United States, much of

804
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 6: which I built during my first term and am now

805
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 6: bringing to a new and even higher level, NATO would

806
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 6: not be an effective force or deterrent, not even close.

807
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: They know that, and so do I.

808
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 6: NATO becomes more formidable and effective with Greenland in the

809
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 6: hands of the United States. Anything less than that is unacceptable.

810
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 6: And then I was always thank you for your attention

811
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Speaker 6: to this matter, President Donald Trump.

812
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Speaker 1: So this is it's all very interesting.

813
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Speaker 6: I think the President is right, it makes more sense

814
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Speaker 6: for Greenland to be with the United States. What I

815
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 6: do worry is he is definitely making this hard sell

816
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 6: on it. He's being very aggressive with Greenland's being very

817
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 6: aggressive with the Europeans.

818
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 1: And maybe I'm a softye.

819
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Speaker 6: I think there's a very strong win win win case,

820
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 6: and you see the echoes of that in what he's saying,

821
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 6: which is that it would make NATO in our defense

822
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 6: stronger if it's with the United States in some sort

823
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 6: of permanent arrangement. As is, we have the bases there,

824
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 6: we've always had military access.

825
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: To it, especially after World War Two exactly.

826
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Speaker 6: But I think there's an active Greenland independence movement, and

827
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 6: I think people who do the math they wonder, well,

828
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 6: if Greenland were to get become independent. It's not very big.

829
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 6: It's population is under one hundred thousand people. There's fewer people.

830
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 6: There's fewer people in it then in Tempe. There's fewer

831
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 6: people there than in I think there's probably individual there's

832
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 6: individual square miles of New York City that have more

833
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 6: people than Greenland does.

834
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Speaker 1: And so if you do the math on this, it's just.

835
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Speaker 6: An island that big is not going to be a

836
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 6: truly independent country. It's going to be dependent on somebody,

837
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 6: the same way a lot of Pacific islands are basically

838
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 6: dependent on the United States or on Australia, and so

839
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 6: it's going to be dependent on someone if it became independent.

840
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Speaker 6: It could be that it will fall under Russian or

841
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 6: Chinese sway. They might just back up a dump truck

842
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 6: of money and say we're going to try to buy

843
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 6: you out, or they might just bribe people. There's not

844
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 6: a lot of people, you could bry the entire government

845
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 6: something like that. And so Trump is saying that's not

846
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 6: an acceptable outcome. But he could also point out Greenland.

847
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Speaker 1: Is basically a welfare ward of Denmark.

848
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Speaker 6: Denmark does not profit off of this arrangement spend They

849
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 6: spend billions a year propping it up. America is far

850
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 6: more capable of handling that expense. Oh oh, we have

851
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 6: to support fifty five thousand mostly welfare dependence, and we

852
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 6: do that in a lot of Chicago suburbs too, and

853
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 6: so we're able to bear that cost more and we

854
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 6: can say Denmark, thank you for doing this, You're a

855
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 6: great ally. Here's a giant pile of money, and also

856
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 6: will guarantee a giant pile of money for the Greenlanders,

857
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 6: like we can give them more money than you do,

858
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 6: and we get better security. I think there's a very

859
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 6: strong win win win case to be made here. And

860
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 6: what I think would be the worst outcome is just

861
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 6: if this turns into some stupid fight, and that's what

862
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 6: we don't want is, as an example, let's say we

863
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 6: make it so anti US nation like nationalism in Europe

864
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 6: is now associated with being on the left and against America,

865
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 6: and this allows the left to win just enough elections

866
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 6: for them to great replace their entire populations. A peric victory,

867
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 6: very much a peric victory if you're a euro left nationalist.

868
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

869
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 5: Well, and so I think the question that a lot

870
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 5: of people have is, right now we have access to

871
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 5: the bases, so we do have some sort of military

872
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 5: foothold there. We could build more potentially. I'm sure Denmark

873
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 5: would be willing to negotiate it. Why push for full ownership.

874
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 6: I think it's that independence question that there's that lack

875
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 6: of permanency to it. Anything that is not a truly

876
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 6: permanent relationship can be changed, and there is that independence

877
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 6: movement in Greenland, and once they're an independent actor, anything

878
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 6: can happen. If you want an example of how these

879
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 6: of how very long term arrangements can change, Britain when

880
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 6: they had Hong Kong in the south of China, they

881
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 6: made a ninety nine year lease and the story goes

882
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 6: that they made it ninety nine years because permanent felt

883
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Speaker 6: weird and the guy thought, well, ninety nine years is

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Speaker 6: basically permanent, right, ninety nine years was not permanent.

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Speaker 1: It expired and they gave up Hong Kong to.

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Speaker 6: The People's Republic of China and a long term military

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Speaker 6: base in Greenland. That can change after one election in

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Speaker 6: Denmark or after one independence referendum in Greenland, Well said,

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Speaker 6: And that is why President Trump. President Trump knows the

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Speaker 6: value of permanency. It is a real interest here and

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Speaker 6: we just have to hope that Marco Rubio and the

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Speaker 6: Vice President are able to make that strong pitch to

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Speaker 6: the Danish government.

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Speaker 5: Well, so far indications are that it was a very

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Speaker 5: positive meeting. So We're going to wait and see what

896
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Speaker 5: those press statements indicate, hopefully that they are positive. And listen,

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Speaker 5: at some point, you have to give this to the

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Speaker 5: Greenlanders themselves.

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Speaker 1: There's fifty seven thousand of them.

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Speaker 5: They probably do are incentivized by a payday coming up

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Speaker 5: if they link arms with the United States in a

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Speaker 5: permanent fashion. So we're going to watch that and we

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Speaker 5: will update you in the second hour if we news,

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Speaker 5: We're going to turn our attention to Iran next.

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Speaker 11: Don't go anyway, Terrence, be.

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Speaker 4: Two with your Real America's Voice news break. Thanks so

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Speaker 4: much for being here with us. Happening right now. Vice

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Speaker 4: President j. D.

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Speaker 15: Vance and Secretary of State Mark or Rubio are said

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Speaker 15: to be meeting with the foreign ministers of Denmark and

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Speaker 15: Greenland in order to discuss President Trump's intention of taking

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Speaker 15: control of Greenland. The administration says the small island is

913
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Speaker 15: a key strategic site for US national security and the Arctic.

914
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Speaker 15: Buying Greenland could cost up to seven hundred billion with

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Speaker 15: a B dollars, but officials from both Greenland and Denmark

916
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Speaker 15: say the island isn't for sale. President Trump has said

917
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Speaker 15: he wants the island one way or another. In response,

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Speaker 15: Denmark just announced this morning that it is increasing its

919
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Speaker 15: military presence in and around Greenland. The Danish Defense Ministry

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Speaker 15: also saying there will be more military exercises in Greenland

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Speaker 15: alongside European and Arcic Arctic partners. No American involvement has

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Speaker 15: been mentioned. Greenland, by the way, is currently a territory

923
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Speaker 15: of Denmark. American personnel at a key US basin Qatar

924
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Speaker 15: are being advised to evacuate as soon as this evening

925
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Speaker 15: in response to the ongoing situation in nearby Iran. The

926
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Speaker 15: move is said to be precautionary. In the meantime, the

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Speaker 15: death toll in Iran has surpassed twenty five hundred people

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Speaker 15: following weeks of protests that have extended across all of

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Speaker 15: Iran's thirty one provinces. Governments across the Middle East also

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Speaker 15: discouraging the Trump administration from getting into a war with Iran,

931
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Speaker 15: fearing quote unprecedented consequences. Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabian, Pakistan have

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Speaker 15: been in constant contact with the Trump administration over the

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Speaker 15: potential of US strikes in Iran. They believe such attacks

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Speaker 15: would spark a full blown bar President Trump would say you.

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Speaker 1: They got to show you humanity.

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Speaker 2: They've got a big problem, and I hope they're not

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Speaker 2: going to be killing people, and I'm going to have

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Speaker 2: a report very soon.

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Speaker 1: It would seem to me that.

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Speaker 4: They have been badly misbehaving for now.

941
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Speaker 15: The US is slapping any country that does business with

942
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Speaker 15: Iran with tariffs, and just this morning, Iran's National or

943
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Speaker 15: Revolutionary Guard went on record blaming the United States and

944
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Speaker 15: Israel for inciting the current protests there and the subsequent deaths.

945
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Speaker 15: The House Oversight Committee has a vote scheduled for next

946
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Speaker 15: week after both former President Bill Clinton and his wife

947
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Speaker 15: and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton failed to show

948
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Speaker 15: up for depositions related to the Oversight Committee's investigation into

949
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Speaker 15: Jeffrey Epstein. Their absence isn't necessarily a surprise, as the

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Speaker 15: former first couple sent Congressman Comber a letter saying that

951
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Speaker 15: they weren't coming and pretty much daring Comer and his

952
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Speaker 15: committee to hold them in contempt of Congress. Quote they

953
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Speaker 15: wrote in this letter, we expect you will direct your

954
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Speaker 15: committee to seek to hold us in contempt. You will

955
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Speaker 15: say it's not our decision to make, but we have

956
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Speaker 15: made it.

957
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Speaker 4: Now you have to make yours.

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Speaker 15: Congressional Republicans in the meantime are blasting both the Clintons

959
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Speaker 15: as well as Congressional Democrats for this week's failures to appear.

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Speaker 10: They didn't show up today. They're only interested in this

961
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Speaker 10: subject when it doesn't involve victims, and it doesn't involve

962
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Speaker 10: the political operatives in their party. That's the only time

963
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Speaker 10: they're interested. When it involves the Clintons or victims. Obviously,

964
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Speaker 10: they're actually not interested.

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Speaker 15: The former president was scheduled to testify on Tuesday. The

966
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Speaker 15: former Secretary of State was scheduled to be deposed today,

967
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Speaker 15: Committee chair James Comer saying the Clinton sent a letter

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Speaker 15: saying that they won't be appearing because they believe, in

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Speaker 15: Comer's words quote that they were that the subpoenas excuse

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Speaker 15: me were legally invalid. Well, in general, it's been a

971
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Speaker 15: fairly quiet public schedule on the tap for the White

972
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Speaker 15: House and specifically President Trump today. However, he does have

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Speaker 15: a signing ceremony schedule for this afternoon. But on Tuesday,

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Speaker 15: a much different story, as the Commander in chief spent

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Speaker 15: the day in Detroit, touring a forward plant and later

976
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Speaker 15: addressing the Detroit Economic Club. His remarks spanned the gamut

977
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Speaker 15: from business to current political challenges, including the administration's continued

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Speaker 15: crackdown on illegal immigrants in cities and states that seek

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Speaker 15: to protect them.

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Speaker 2: Starting February first, we're not making any payments to sanctuary

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Speaker 2: cities or states having sanctuary cities because they do everything

982
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Speaker 2: possible to protect criminals at the expense of American citizens

983
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Speaker 2: and it breeds fraud and crime and all of the

984
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Speaker 2: other problems that come. So we're not making any payment

985
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Speaker 2: to anybody that supports sanctuary cities.

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Speaker 15: That's going to do it for your headlines. As always,

987
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Speaker 15: we appreciate having you along for the ride. Now let's

988
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Speaker 15: get you back to your regularly scheduled programming.

989
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Speaker 1: All right, welcome.

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Speaker 5: Our two of the Charlie Kirk Show is under way,

991
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Speaker 5: and we are turning our sights on Ron.

992
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Speaker 1: There has been I would say that virginy or won't

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Speaker 1: he will? Yeah, well hey, well here, won't he is?

994
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Speaker 5: Uh. And we're talking obviously about whether or not Trump

995
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Speaker 5: is going to take kinetic military action, fully support economic,

996
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Speaker 5: moral support of the Iranian people, all that stuff.

997
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Speaker 1: There's a huge question about military action.

998
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Speaker 5: Help us to help us unpack this is maya Tucy

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Speaker 5: I hope I got that approximately correct.

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Speaker 1: Founder of Tucy TV based out of London. He's Iranian.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having them guys, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. So.

1004
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Speaker 5: There's multiple questions swirling right now about the around in question,

1005
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Speaker 5: if you're an American right, will President Trump take action

1006
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Speaker 5: militarily to support the independence movement that is obviously pouring

1007
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Speaker 5: over into the streets.

1008
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Speaker 1: But there's also a.

1009
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Speaker 5: Question about how brutal has the regime cracked down on

1010
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Speaker 5: protesters really become. I've seen some reports quote a number

1011
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Speaker 5: of twenty five hundred dead, which is already extraordinary, by

1012
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Speaker 5: the way, I've seen other reports that it's twelve thousand.

1013
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Speaker 5: Do you have any insight on what the accurate figure is.

1014
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 22: Yeah, So you can't really take any of these because

1015
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Speaker 22: in the past we've had a lot of uprisings and crackdowns.

1016
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Speaker 22: I've had hundreds and hundreds, sometimes over one thousand when

1017
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Speaker 22: it comes to the massacre. BUTSA obviously the official figures

1018
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Speaker 22: that the mainstream media keep going with is, you know,

1019
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 22: a thousand, sometimes six hundred on the ground. All the

1020
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Speaker 22: information that we have from the hospitals and the whistleblowers

1021
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Speaker 22: that Obviously, it goes to the idea that it's thousands.

1022
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 22: There was a leak from the inner circle of an

1023
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Speaker 22: Ali Commends Supreme Leader a few days ago and the

1024
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Speaker 22: documents signed by him or the direct order, and they

1025
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Speaker 22: believe they themselves that it was about twelve thousand. Now

1026
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Speaker 22: they are also unofficial figures that's just come out that

1027
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Speaker 22: is closer to twenty thousand. But as President Trump said,

1028
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Speaker 22: even one is enough, and that that is a main

1029
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Speaker 22: argument right now.

1030
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Speaker 3: The mainstream media wants to get into the debate.

1031
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Speaker 22: Well, if it's two thousands instead of four thousand, then

1032
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Speaker 22: is it really our business?

1033
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Speaker 5: That's the problem right there is sort of a it's

1034
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Speaker 5: a weird math you have to contemplate if you're going

1035
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Speaker 5: to consider military action.

1036
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Speaker 1: Is there a threshold?

1037
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Speaker 5: Is there a I mean, it's an awkward question to ask,

1038
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Speaker 5: but certainly when you're dealing with Iran that has a

1039
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Speaker 5: history of squashing uprisings off, often violently with lethal force,

1040
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Speaker 5: this is not necessarily something new, But this is new

1041
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Speaker 5: because of the scale, in the scope and just how

1042
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Speaker 5: widespread these protests have.

1043
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Speaker 1: Become in Iran.

1044
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Speaker 5: Why don't you take take us into that psychology about

1045
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 5: what is driving these protests, Why is this unique, why

1046
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Speaker 5: is this new, and why does this maybe portend an

1047
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Speaker 5: actual change in leadership in Iran.

1048
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Speaker 22: Yeah, so, firstly, when it comes to any potential action

1049
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Speaker 22: by the US and President Trump, it's not really just

1050
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Speaker 22: about the scale of the uprising we shall get into.

1051
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Speaker 22: It's also about how dangerous the Islamic Republic has become

1052
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Speaker 22: to the world, including to President Trump directly, because they

1053
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Speaker 22: tried to assassinate them.

1054
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Speaker 3: A couple of times over the last couple of years.

1055
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Speaker 3: The reality of the situation.

1056
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Speaker 22: Is that this uprising was obviously building up for a

1057
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Speaker 22: very long time. They have had attempts of uprisings and

1058
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Speaker 22: of course there's been massive crackdowns because the regime, or

1059
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Speaker 22: as the Iranians will call them, the Islamic occupation regime,

1060
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Speaker 22: don't really care. They would just kill everybody. But this

1061
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Speaker 22: time round the regime is extremely weak. The trigger point

1062
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Speaker 22: was when the currency in Iran collapsed, and that was

1063
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Speaker 22: over two weeks ago, almost three weeks ago. And of

1064
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Speaker 22: course there is no there's the lack of water, lack

1065
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Speaker 22: of electricity, and lack of money, lack of jobs, and

1066
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Speaker 22: lack of recognition on the international stage, and people said

1067
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Speaker 22: enough is enough?

1068
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Speaker 3: This time round, it wasn't just anger.

1069
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Speaker 22: They are very, very motivated and they know they've got

1070
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Speaker 22: nothing else to lose. Usually in the past, when you

1071
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Speaker 22: kill a few hundred people, people would go home, they

1072
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 22: get scared. But after thousands who've been massacred, people continue

1073
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Speaker 22: to stay out because they also finally have a unifying

1074
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Speaker 22: leader in the crown. Prince Vasadapalavi and President Trump until

1075
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Speaker 22: now has had their backs, which has really helped the

1076
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Speaker 22: people on the ground. But they definitely need support as

1077
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Speaker 22: soon as possible.

1078
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Speaker 6: So is there an ideological platform that you knowgnites these

1079
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Speaker 6: people other than wanting to overthrow the current government like

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Speaker 6: do we have let's just being are there? Are there

1081
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Speaker 6: Islamists who also opposed the government are there? And also

1082
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Speaker 6: are there steps the government could take to try to

1083
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Speaker 6: mollify this short of regime short of total collapse? I

1084
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Speaker 6: guess apparently I learned recently there actually is a council

1085
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Speaker 6: of clerics that could, for lack of a better term,

1086
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Speaker 6: fire the Ayatola.

1087
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Speaker 1: And you know, here's a new one and something like

1088
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Speaker 1: that happened.

1089
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Speaker 22: No, No, so that people keep comparing it to Gorbachev

1090
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Speaker 22: and Soviet Union, It's very, very different because this is

1091
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Speaker 22: a culture personality behind one figurehead, and the reality is

1092
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Speaker 22: they basically pretended to do what you just said, like

1093
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Speaker 22: performing from within things like that. Over the last few uprisings,

1094
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Speaker 22: people know that this is an occupation.

1095
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Speaker 3: Since nineteen seventy nine there was a.

1096
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Speaker 22: Paramilitary occupation that basically resulted thanks to Jimmy carter Us

1097
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Speaker 22: Democrats MI six, the Fifth Republic in France that basically

1098
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Speaker 22: decided let's get behind the iotolers because they were scared

1099
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Speaker 22: that the Soviet Union in the middle of Cold War

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Speaker 22: are going to take over Iran in the seventies, so

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Speaker 22: they thought left back these guys. They seem to be

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Speaker 22: stupid enough that they can be controlled as puppets.

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Speaker 3: That back far because the next day.

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Speaker 22: There is limists went on and the chanted death to America.

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Speaker 22: Right now, your question about what you know in terms

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Speaker 22: of power, vacuum or who is involved and Iran is

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Speaker 22: very different to countries like Libya or Iraq or Syria.

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Speaker 22: There are no extremist groups in that sense, there is

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Speaker 22: no vacuum because people finally are united behind one concept,

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Speaker 22: even if not necessarily the crown prince, which is true,

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Speaker 22: they are all united behind the original flag of Iran, the.

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Speaker 3: History, the heritage.

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Speaker 22: They simply want their country back. It's more similar to

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Speaker 22: the situation in Poland. After the National Socialists in Germany

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Speaker 22: got kicked out, and then again after the Communists from

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Speaker 22: Soviet Union got kicked out, Poland said, we just got

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Speaker 22: our country back. That's basically their fight. It's not necessarily

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Speaker 22: like Iraq or Syria. There are no really extremeist groups.

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Speaker 22: There is a tiny group called Mujahideen m K and

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Speaker 22: there are about thirteen of them. They're smaller than the

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Speaker 22: Green Party. Nobody cares about them, but that's the maining goal.

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Speaker 1: That you know.

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Speaker 22: People don't really care about those guys. They are basically

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Speaker 22: a Marxist Islamic group.

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Speaker 3: They used to be with the.

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Speaker 22: ILG seeing the seventies against the king, but then they split.

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Speaker 22: They basically had a fight, and now they also want

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Speaker 22: to bring down the regime because I want to have

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Speaker 22: a different version of communist Islamic republic.

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Speaker 3: That is the biggest problem.

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Speaker 6: Well, what about another concern I know we've seen is

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Speaker 6: America's repeatedly had some involvement in the Middle East, where

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Speaker 6: Utapola government and then our own government is surprised to learn.

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Speaker 6: Oh wait, there's a lot of ethnic grievances in this society.

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Speaker 6: This happened in Iraq Notoriously. President in Bush apparently didn't

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Speaker 6: quite get the Sunni Shia split before we actually intervened.

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Speaker 1: We've seen it.

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Speaker 6: Of course in Syria. Lebanon is basically defined by those splits.

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Speaker 6: I know in Iran there's a series as well as

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Speaker 6: historical Iranians, there's other smaller groups. Is there any risk

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Speaker 6: of a crack up along those lines if there's a

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Speaker 6: power vacuum so.

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Speaker 3: That this wasn't worry a couple of decades ago.

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Speaker 22: In fact, under the Islamic Republic, these different ethnic groups

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Speaker 22: and regional groups were essentially being divided. But over the

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Speaker 22: last few years, the movement against the Islamic Republic is

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Speaker 22: actually united them. Now you've got the Persian Iranians, so

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Speaker 22: that's my ethnicity, but you've got the Kurdish Iranians as

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Speaker 22: there is, and all the others. Even the Kurds in

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Speaker 22: Iran compared to the Curds in turky or other places,

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Speaker 22: they are actually calling for a united Iran and they're

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Speaker 22: acording for the Crown prince return. So all these other

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Speaker 22: ethnic groups and other religious groups are getting together, so ironically,

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Speaker 22: the ioducy have united them. But again, as I mentioned,

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Speaker 22: it's very different to the situation in Iraq. But it's

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Speaker 22: the liberal mainstream media that are not helping the situation.

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Speaker 22: They con continue to spread this propaganda where for example,

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Speaker 22: their CNN and many others have been calling it economic

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Speaker 22: protests when it's an actual uprising. They're literally calling for

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Speaker 22: the overthrow of the regime. But at least they're calling

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Speaker 22: it something, compared to certain other people, the self appointed

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Speaker 22: queens of expertise like Candas Owens, who were saying that

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Speaker 22: there are no protests, there is no uprising. It's just

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Speaker 22: as sire by the Jews. She literally said that yesterday,

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Speaker 22: and that is embarrassing. There are millions of people in

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Speaker 22: Iran who are currently under occupation. Tens of thousands have

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Speaker 22: been killed, at least thousands have been killed, and apparently

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Speaker 22: it's just the Jews. But right now people in Iran

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Speaker 22: have called for the support of both the Crown Prince

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Speaker 22: as their leader and the President of the United States.

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Speaker 3: It's different to ten years ago.

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Speaker 22: If you had told me five years ago, ten years ago,

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Speaker 22: would you like the US to get involved.

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Speaker 3: I would have said, probably not, because you need the

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Speaker 3: consent of the public.

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Speaker 22: You need that consensus, and they know they don't really

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Speaker 22: want boots on the ground. They don't want to put

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Speaker 22: US soldiers at risk. You simply need to have a strategic, precise,

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Speaker 22: targeted attack, similar to when recently.

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Speaker 3: They picked up at Madora.

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Speaker 6: That's why this is very interesting. So we actually want

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Speaker 6: to keep you for another segment. I really want to

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Speaker 6: explore that topic about the Shah in his appeal. So

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Speaker 6: stick with us when we're right back with you.

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Speaker 5: All right, we're gonna get right back in Iran just

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Speaker 5: Check them out. All right, Well, go ahead, Blake, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: we've got more questions here. We've got a lot more

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Speaker 5: of our great guests, a lot more.

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Speaker 6: Questions for our guests, And we were talking a lot

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Speaker 6: about the shaw going in, uh you saying you were

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Speaker 6: saying that there's large there's actually almost unanimous support for

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Speaker 6: the shot. But I guess my first question is what

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Speaker 6: does that actually mean? Because my understanding is that Raza

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Speaker 6: Palabis basically just said I'm willing to be a constitutional monarch,

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Speaker 6: and so then what would that mean.

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Speaker 1: Could we get Islamist parties running in the.

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Speaker 6: Election who would then act on his behalf or is

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Speaker 6: there a platform that exists other than reinstall this old monarch.

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Speaker 22: That's a very good question, actually, because their propaganda has

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Speaker 22: been for decades and especially recently that oh, you can't

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Speaker 22: bring back the king because that's absolute monarchy, that's the dictatorship.

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Speaker 22: That not really this is the twenty first century. It

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Speaker 22: works in Britain, more modern Britain technically a constitutional monarchy

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Speaker 22: and actually having parliamentary democracy, and it's going to work

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Speaker 22: in the round because these two countries have had the

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Speaker 22: history and the heritage. If I were to create a

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Speaker 22: new country from scratch, I would probably create more of

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Speaker 22: an American model in.

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Speaker 3: The constitution and everything else.

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Speaker 22: Because the Republican in America has the good checks and balances,

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Speaker 22: but in those cultures constitution monarchy works. And your question

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Speaker 22: is actually very important because what is the limits? Because

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Speaker 22: the crown prints his values are liberal democracy and of

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Speaker 22: course freedom and free speech, does there have to be

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Speaker 22: a line when it comes to certain groups or ideologies

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Speaker 22: being restricted or do you.

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Speaker 3: Just allow it to happen.

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Speaker 22: So my personal opinion is that it's a very gray

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Speaker 22: area because yes, my instinct would say, yeah, probably ban

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Speaker 22: the radical communists and ban Islamitist radical Islamists from having

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Speaker 22: a party. But then doesn't that create a bigger problem

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Speaker 22: in terms of underground movements. But I don't really think

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Speaker 22: there's any problem overall in the cultures like Iran, they

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Speaker 22: don't really have is Liamitis problems, and they don't really

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Speaker 22: have communist problems. They are socialists like any other country.

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Speaker 22: And generally speaking the culture obviously around thirty percent of

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Speaker 22: Iran or Muslim practicing Muslim, and they're all Shia, they're

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Speaker 22: not necessarily it's a South co parties for the connection,

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Speaker 22: by the way.

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Speaker 3: And so I'm not really afraid of that.

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Speaker 22: But I think if you're going to go with liberal democracy.

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Speaker 22: You're just going to have to allow people to have

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Speaker 22: the freedom to set up their parties and basically have

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Speaker 22: to check some balances to ensure that the monarch prevents

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Speaker 22: anybody from I'm becoming a tyrant.

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Speaker 5: So Mayra Tuscy, founder of twoc TV, thank you again.

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Speaker 5: This has been a fascinating discussion. I have a kind

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Speaker 5: of appointed question. I'm just gonna preface at the top.

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Speaker 5: So we had Elika lebon on another Iranian perhaps you

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Speaker 5: know her, and she stated to us that the protest

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Speaker 5: will be successful only with outside intervention. It felt like

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Speaker 5: a direct pitch for American intervention.

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Speaker 1: I you know, am American.

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Speaker 5: I'm born here, raised here, probably gonna die here, my

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Speaker 5: kids are born here.

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Speaker 1: I care about America.

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Speaker 5: Okay, and forgive me if I have not heard this

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Speaker 5: story before. And it feels like we perhaps there is

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Speaker 5: a propaganda or a messaging campaign going on that wants

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Speaker 5: to sort of, you know, lead us down the path

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Speaker 5: of another foreign intervention. Now I've heard you say that

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Speaker 5: this is different, this is not like Libya, this is

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Speaker 5: not like a Raq And I actually do believe you,

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Speaker 5: and I actually am convinced of that that around is different.

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Speaker 5: I support economic warfare to bring down the regime.

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Speaker 1: I support moral support from Afar.

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Speaker 5: How am I to interpret these signals though, that we

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Speaker 5: are perhaps getting dog walked into another foreign conflict in

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Speaker 5: the Middle East when we have our own problems here

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Speaker 5: at home. And what would your ask of the United

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Speaker 5: States be?

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Speaker 22: Yes, well, the Americans should put America first and you

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Speaker 22: should not really get dragged into different walls. And as

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Speaker 22: I said, I'm not advocating for the US troops too,

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Speaker 22: boots on the ground. Iranians are not asking that either.

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Speaker 22: If this is not Iraq in two thousand and three,

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Speaker 22: and under one hand, on a more kind of personal

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Speaker 22: emotional level, I would say, in my own subjective opinion, well,

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Speaker 22: that the US government in seventy nine with Jimmy Carter

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Speaker 22: caused this chaos, not necessarily just for the Iranians, for

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Speaker 22: themselves and for the region. You create instability and an enemy.

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Speaker 22: It will be nice if you could fix it for

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Speaker 22: yourself at least, But you don't have to directly to

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Speaker 22: the regime change because the people are ready to finish

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Speaker 22: the job right now. The priorities just stop the killings

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Speaker 22: and paralyze the regime, and the hope is that those

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Speaker 22: inside the Iranian military who are saying they are defecting,

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Speaker 22: they can defect, and they can continue and finish the revolution.

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Speaker 3: That is a priority.

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Speaker 22: I'm not asking for President Trump to come in and

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Speaker 22: take over Iran and forced them to change the regime.

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Speaker 22: Simply help the people to finish the job that they

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Speaker 22: want to do. Because, whether we like it or not,

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Speaker 22: this is the American Empire and the United States is

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Speaker 22: the world police. Doesn't have to mean that the American soldiers'

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Speaker 22: lives should be at risk every single day. Doesn't mean

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Speaker 22: the Americans have to be involved with every war. But

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Speaker 22: if America is not keep an eye on the world,

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Speaker 22: the Chinese will.

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Speaker 6: Well, So one quick question and we're near in the

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Speaker 6: end here, so you can make a quick response. But

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Speaker 6: if you say our goal is to stop the killings,

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Speaker 6: what would be the military strike America could do that

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Speaker 6: would stop the killings?

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Speaker 1: Is there a particular place, is there a particular target.

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Speaker 22: Well, the President has been presented with about fifty targets

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Speaker 22: a Barton. I'm not sure exactly what specific targets they have,

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Speaker 22: but overall, you obviously have a lot of IRGC basis,

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Speaker 22: You have a lot of government buildings, that you have

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Speaker 22: the actual generals and CIA.

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Speaker 3: Know where they are.

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Speaker 22: The Supreme Leader Ali Kamene is currently in a bunker

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Speaker 22: in east of Iran, in Tabas. So if they go

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Speaker 22: for those things, and or if they could pick up

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Speaker 22: Harmony and give them an uber lift like with Medora,

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Speaker 22: that would be nice. But because he has to face justice,

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Speaker 22: he has to actually stand on trial, just like the

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Speaker 22: National Socialist did in Germany. But if you paralyze the

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Speaker 22: actual ILGC, we believe that there are people in the military,

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Speaker 22: the actual military, the Army of Iran, who are ready

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Speaker 22: to take control until the Crown Prince returns to his

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Speaker 22: country and then they can have a referendum on their

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Speaker 22: future constitution.

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Speaker 5: Well fair enough, I mean, you know, listen, the President

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Speaker 5: to your appoint has been presented a suite of options,

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Speaker 5: from the diplomatic options to military options, and listen, we

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Speaker 5: stand with the people of Iran. We would love to

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Speaker 5: correct the wrong of nineteen seventy nine and have an

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Speaker 5: Iran that we can work with and that was welcome

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Speaker 5: back into the international community. Those things are all We're

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Speaker 5: completely in agreement. We'll see what happens. I I you know,

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Speaker 5: the position of the show is We've learned to trust

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Speaker 5: Trump's instincts on some of these things.

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Speaker 1: So thank you for joining us. Thank you for that

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Speaker 1: analysis is very, very fascinating. Kelly.

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Speaker 15: Next, welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break.

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Speaker 4: I'm Terrence Bates.

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Speaker 15: The House Oversight Committee has a contempt vote scheduled for

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Speaker 15: next week after both former President Bill Clinton and his

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Speaker 15: wife and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton failed to

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Speaker 15: show up for depositions related to the Oversight Committee's investigation

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Speaker 15: into Jeffrey Epstein. Their absence isn't necessarily a surprise, as

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Speaker 15: the former first Couplet Congressman James Comer a letter saying

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Speaker 15: that they weren't coming in pretty much daring Comer and

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Speaker 15: his committee to hold them in contempt. Quote, we expect

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Speaker 15: you will direct your committee to seek to hold us

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Speaker 15: in contempt. You will say it's not our decision.

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Speaker 4: To make, but we have made it. Now you have

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Speaker 4: to make yours.

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Speaker 15: The couple rights Congressional Republicans are blasting both the Clintons

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Speaker 15: and Congressional Democrats for this week's failures to appear.

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Speaker 10: They didn't show up today. They're only interested in this

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Speaker 10: subject when it doesn't involve victims, and it doesn't involve

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Speaker 10: the political operatives in their party. That's the only time

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Speaker 10: they're interested. When it involves the Clintons or victims, obviously

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Speaker 10: they're actually not interested.

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Speaker 15: The former president was scheduled to testify on Tuesday. The

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Speaker 15: former Secretary of State scheduled to testify today.

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Speaker 4: Committee Chair James.

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Speaker 15: Comer says the Clinton sent a letter again saying that

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Speaker 15: they won't be appearing because they believe that Comer subpoenas

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Speaker 15: are quote legally invalid.

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Speaker 4: Happening today, Vice President j D.

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Speaker 15: Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio hosting the Foreign

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Speaker 15: minus ministers of Denmark and Greenland. The meeting comes as

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Speaker 15: the Trump administration is ramping up the rhetoric and efforts

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Speaker 15: to take Greenland. All of this is part of a

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Speaker 15: strategic national security effort for the United States. Buying Greenland

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Speaker 15: could reportedly cost up to seven hundred billion dollars, but

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Speaker 15: officials from both Greenland and Denmark say the Arctic island

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Speaker 15: isn't for sale. Greenland, by the way, is in autonomous

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Speaker 15: Danish territory. Denmark just announced that it is increasing its

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Speaker 15: military presence in and around Greenland in response to President

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Speaker 15: Trump's threat of taking the island by any means necessary.

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Speaker 15: The Danish Defense Ministry also says there will be more

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Speaker 15: military exercises in Greenland alongside European and Arctic partners. No

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Speaker 15: American involvement was mentioned, though. That's a quick check of

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Speaker 15: your headlines. We appreciate you being here with us. Now,

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Speaker 15: let's get you back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 17: The Voice of Generations is the Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 5: We are honored by an in studio guest, and that

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Speaker 5: is Kelly Leffler, twenty eighth administrator. I always love that

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Speaker 5: astor of this small business administration. So SBA and we

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Speaker 5: were joking because it's like we need.

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Speaker 1: To change the titles. Yeah, do we call you administrator Leffler?

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Speaker 23: Well, you can call me Kelly. That's my Twitter hand, SBA, Kelly.

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Speaker 23: I'm so honored to serve in the Trump administration. I

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Speaker 23: don't care what my title is as long as I'm

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Speaker 23: a part of it.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was calling Kelly. I was struggling, Kelly.

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Speaker 5: I was struggling with about this with with Lee's Eldon yesterday,

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Speaker 5: Who's the administrator of the EPA, and I was like, Lee,

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Speaker 5: you know, I just gotta you know, we defaulted to,

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Speaker 5: you know, call him leave anyways, you.

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Speaker 8: Might as well call us bureaucrats.

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Speaker 1: I enjoined. Thanks.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So, Kelly Leffler, former senator, you have a rich

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Speaker 5: history in the state of Georgia. You are now in

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Speaker 5: the Trump administration. But you know, we were joking. I

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Speaker 5: think the best place to start for our audience is

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Speaker 5: for you just describe what the Small Business Administration does.

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Speaker 23: Well, you're right, Andrew, As we were talking, a lot

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Speaker 23: of people don't know. The Small Business Administration is essentially

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Speaker 23: a public private partnership. We're not giving grants out to

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Speaker 23: small businesses. We're providing a government guarantee on commercial loans

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Speaker 23: for your local community banker to have the incentive to

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Speaker 23: make that loan to a startup business to help that

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Speaker 23: community have flourishing Small businesses have an ecosystem of startups

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Speaker 23: and expansion, and that goes into even manufacturing. Most manufacturers

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Speaker 23: in America meet the small business threshold. What is the threshold, Well,

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Speaker 23: it depends on your industry, but for manufacturing, you can

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Speaker 23: have up to fifteen hundred employees as long as you're

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Speaker 23: not over the net worth level. And that's why ninety

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Speaker 23: eight percent of America's manufacturers qualify as small businesses.

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Speaker 8: I just came from a great small.

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Speaker 23: Business manufacturing startup in Tempe, just down the road. And

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Speaker 23: this is the heartbeat of America. And you've got everything

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Speaker 23: coming bringing to bear there, from the capital the SBA

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Speaker 23: provided for this facility, to the skilled workforce. You know,

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Speaker 23: I met some of the contractors there in hard hats,

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Speaker 23: and this is what it's all about. In the Trump administration.

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Speaker 23: His economic agenda is going to create more and more

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Speaker 23: of that. It's why we set a record in twenty

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Speaker 23: twenty five of putting out eighty five thousand small business

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Speaker 23: loans totaling forty five billion dollars. The economic multiplier effect

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Speaker 23: of getting eighty five billion dollars out, you know, is huge.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's also a trade deficit. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: news this morning.

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Speaker 5: So the US trade deficit is one of its lowest

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Speaker 5: points in at least recent memory, last couple decades. You

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Speaker 5: put up a tweet here at three seventy. The trade

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Speaker 5: deficit has reached its lowest level in nearly two decades,

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Speaker 5: while our exports hit a record high of three hundred

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Speaker 5: and two billion dollars. So President Trump's fair trade policies

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Speaker 5: restoring America's industrial dominance and straight so obviously we have

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Speaker 5: we have much further to go. Uh but you know,

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Speaker 5: and then we've got this tariff question that is looming.

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Speaker 5: The Supreme Court is gonna rule on that. I do believe,

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Speaker 5: even just we had John Carney on Breitbart Economics editor

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Speaker 5: there saying that even if the Supreme Court rules against this,

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Speaker 5: there's other levels levers that Trump administration could pull to

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Speaker 5: still you know, enact tariffs because they are powerful. How

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Speaker 5: have you seen those play out with small businesses? Because

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Speaker 5: you know, some small business are probably gonna see a

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Speaker 5: negative impact, but a lot are going to see a

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Speaker 5: positive impact.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely.

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Speaker 23: I mean I've crossed this country from Alaska to Maine,

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Speaker 23: walking factory floors, talking to builders, entrepreneurs. Look, when you

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Speaker 23: hear the word tariff, think fair trade, and that's what

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Speaker 23: this country has not had. And I am just grateful

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Speaker 23: for President for his courage and his vision to believe

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Speaker 23: in American industry to help us reindustrialize. And you look

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Speaker 23: at every part of the Trump economic agenda, from tax

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Speaker 23: cuts to deregulation to generating a skilled workforce and those

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Speaker 23: incentives to get back in the workforce, and you see

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Speaker 23: the building of this boom on top of the eighteen

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Speaker 23: trillion dollars coming in. So, look, tariffs are just one

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Speaker 23: piece of it, but they're an important piece that we

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Speaker 23: haven't had. And everyone forgets that Biden had a Rose

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Speaker 23: Garden ceremony adding tariffs to China during his term that

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Speaker 23: the Democrats never put to.

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Speaker 5: It felt like this crazy scenario where America was just

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Speaker 5: willing to get fleeced in countless ways because we were

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Speaker 5: we had like almost like this guilt about being the richest,

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Speaker 5: most powerful nation, so we didn't feel that we had

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Speaker 5: the moral standing to exert our force to benefit our

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Speaker 5: own people. So we just let everybody else have, you know,

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Speaker 5: trade barriers to us. We let everybody else builk off

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Speaker 5: the American military, and President Trump is rebalancing those relationships.

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Speaker 5: I've been completely in favor of President Trump's tariff agenda

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Speaker 5: from the start.

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Speaker 1: I think Blake, You've had some questions.

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Speaker 5: This is typically the yin and yang that we play

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Speaker 5: here on the show.

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Speaker 1: Blake's the contrarian. I'm sort of like more on board

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Speaker 1: with a little I'm narrative.

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Speaker 5: I am now okay, okay, all right, now we're gonna

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Speaker 5: get in a debate here in front of Kelly, and

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Speaker 5: I don't want to do.

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Speaker 17: That to it.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing though, I do agree with that.

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Speaker 5: But then, so SBA, is this this engine sort of

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Speaker 5: behind the scenes providing capital d you know, taking some

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Speaker 5: of the risk out of these capital arrangements with riskier

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Speaker 5: small business startups. But then there's this other side of

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Speaker 5: it that you've inherited, where there is fraud that you

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Speaker 5: are uncovering. Now we're talking about Somali fraud. We're talking

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Speaker 5: about foreigners coming in again, builking off the system.

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Speaker 1: What have you uncovered? What are you investigating right now?

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Speaker 8: Well, that's right.

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Speaker 23: I mean from day one, we came in and I

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Speaker 23: said I will have a zero tolerance policy on fraud.

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Speaker 23: We convened a task force right away. I called for

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Speaker 23: an audit of the agency. The agency hadn't passed an

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Speaker 23: audit in four years. And President Trump likes to say,

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Speaker 23: here's the biggest bank in the country. Well, guess what,

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Speaker 23: the biggest bank in the country is going to finally

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Speaker 23: have an audit. Where we're accountable for the shortcomings. That

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Speaker 23: includes investigating fraud.

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Speaker 5: We just had a number on this yeh headline right here,

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Speaker 5: SBA investigating one point two trillion. That is with a

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Speaker 5: T we've seen a lot of bees floating around with

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01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:26,639
Speaker 5: Somali fraud, nine nineteen billion, whatever the number.

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Speaker 6: Then to give a number on suspected frauds, specifically their

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01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 6: internal watch in twenty twenty three, so this is Biden era,

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01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 6: they said about estimated a two hundred billion dollars in

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01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 6: potential fraud with the PPP loans, although that all run

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01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:40,679
Speaker 6: through SBA.

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01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 23: That it was, that's the one point two trillion that

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01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 23: ran through SBA during COVID. Well, our own OIG said

1537
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 23: that about two hundred billion was marked as fraudulent. And

1538
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 23: guess what the Biden administration did. They started forgiving it,

1539
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 23: sweeping it under the rug exactly right, Blake. And so

1540
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 23: we came in and said we're going back, we're looking

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01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 23: at it all. And that's what we when it came

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01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,679
Speaker 23: to Minnesota. As soon as that came on the radar,

1543
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 23: I asked the team to dig through the Minnesota loans.

1544
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 23: They immediately found about seven thousand borrowers four hundred million

1545
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 23: in fraudulent loans in Minnesota alone. That tells you that

1546
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 23: there are billions and billions out the door fraudulently to

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01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 23: thousands that should never touch SBA services again, and they

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01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:22,720
Speaker 23: need to be referred to the DOJ. And that's what

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01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 23: we're doing.

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01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 5: Are these mostly Somalie networks or is it kind of

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01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 5: across the board.

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01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:31,520
Speaker 23: Or it's widespread. We're investigating further to see how systemic

1553
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 23: it is because the level of fraud is almost organized,

1554
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 23: and I've called it organized crime in some cases, and

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01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 23: we need to look across all government programs and see

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01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 23: where people are systemically defrauding the government.

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01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 6: A thing that stands out about this, which is if

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01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 6: you or I were to say, okay, I want to

1559
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 6: scam medicaid and you just went to twenty people we

1560
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 6: know and said, hey, I have an idea to scam medicaid,

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01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 6: one a lot I think would say no.

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01:20:57,439 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 1: I think they'd all say no, and some of them

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01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:01,559
Speaker 1: might say I'm going to call the police.

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01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 6: I think this is a credit Well, and what you

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01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 6: have some communities that we've voluntarily brought into our country

1566
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 6: where that's just not the natural reaction where they'll either

1567
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 6: say nothing or a lot of them will help you.

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01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 5: Well because they don't feel culturally tied or their heritage

1569
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,919
Speaker 5: is not tied to the proud culture.

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01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 1: It's wrong to scam your cousin or your brother, but

1571
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 1: not to scam the government.

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01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 5: And to your point, I totally agree that it is

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01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 5: organized because you know, we think of organized crime as

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01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:30,680
Speaker 5: the Italian mafia, but so often it's these these immigrant

1575
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 5: cabal Well, yes, exactly, but but that's you know, those

1576
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:37,560
Speaker 5: are the movies, and you know it's been it's been sensationalized,

1577
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:39,720
Speaker 5: but so often it's just more subtle than that. It's

1578
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 5: it's a cousin calling a cousin saying here, listen, I've

1579
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 5: figured out this way. You should go set up your own,

1580
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 5: you know, childcare center over here. You should do this,

1581
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 5: or listen, we we found a way to smuggle all

1582
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:52,799
Speaker 5: this money back to Somalia. It's more subtle, it's less dramatic,

1583
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 5: less you know, movie Hollywood, but it's massively insidious and widespread.

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01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 23: Well, especially when there's no oversight. And so we're going

1585
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 23: to go state by state and look for those states

1586
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 23: like Minnesota that really as their largest expenditure is welfare

1587
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 23: and in the federal government. I'm talking that's at the

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01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 23: state level. In the federal government, we operate about a

1589
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 23: trillion dollars worth of welfare programs across eighty unique systems,

1590
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 23: and so we really need to have a hard look

1591
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 23: at that. And that's what's great about the Working Families

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01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 23: tax cut that was passed this year. There's a lot

1593
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 23: of verification that's now required, there's work requirements. We're going

1594
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 23: to start cracking down on this very systemically ourselves, because

1595
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 23: we can't trust the states to do it, particularly those

1596
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 23: like California, Illinois, Minnesota and others who've shown a willful

1597
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:41,599
Speaker 23: disdain for taxpayer dollars. And by the way, small businesses

1598
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 23: are some of the biggest taxpayers. And so that's part

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01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 23: of my advocacy is to say, I'm going to make

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01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 23: sure these programs are going to deserving job creators on

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01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:49,679
Speaker 23: main street.

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01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's like you know them when you see them, absolutely,

1603
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 5: you know the real deal companies that should be getting

1604
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 5: the back into SBA. And here's President Trump just having

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01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 5: your back here has cut three thirty teen. He's suspending

1606
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 5: SBA loans. It sounds like it specifically with scammers in

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01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 5: Minnesota three thirteen.

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01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 2: We have also suspended nearly eight thousand SBA loans small

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01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 2: Business Association loans to suspected scammers in Minnesota, of which

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01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 2: there are many. It's a great state. It was a

1611
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:24,799
Speaker 2: great state. Now it's getting destroyed by the stupid governor.

1612
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 2: What a stupid guy he is. But he's a crook.

1613
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:30,719
Speaker 2: I mean, he's an incompetent guy, but he's a crook.

1614
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 1: He allowed us to go. You can't have.

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01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 4: You can't have.

1616
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 2: Corruption under scale that nobody's ever seen before and you're

1617
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 2: sitting as a governor and you don't know.

1618
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 3: What's going on.

1619
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 2: It's impossible. Even though he's a stupid.

1620
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 5: Guy, it's a really important You know, I love this

1621
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 5: about President Trump that he gets his instincts are almost

1622
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 5: always right. So when you guys are at the SBA

1623
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 5: are working on rooting out this fraud, auditing it this

1624
01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:00,400
Speaker 5: task force, have you got any cooperation from the state

1625
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:02,640
Speaker 5: of Minnesota, Well, of course not.

1626
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 23: And we've even had other state governors attack us for

1627
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:08,680
Speaker 23: looking into Minnesota.

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01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 8: So that tells you.

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01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 23: It lays another pretty strong trail of breadcrumbs, and we're

1630
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 23: going to continue to do that. The President has been

1631
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 23: right about everything he's right about fraud, and we're going

1632
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 23: to continue to do it because, first of all, it's

1633
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:23,839
Speaker 23: right for the taxpayers, and second of all, it's creating

1634
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 23: an incentive system when it goes unchecked to do it

1635
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 23: even more so, imagine that if twenty percent, as Treasury

1636
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 23: Secretary Besince said, twenty percent of all these programs are fraudulent,

1637
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 23: someday it could become thirty percent of an even larger

1638
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 23: number because these programs continue to grow.

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01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:41,639
Speaker 5: Well, and COVID really, I mean, Blake, you know, calling

1640
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:44,799
Speaker 5: me the Normy Blake was actually the guy that during

1641
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,880
Speaker 5: some of the aftermath of COVID and these loans that

1642
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 5: went out and these scam artists that would set up

1643
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 5: like a transportation company and yeah, like I mean, this

1644
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 5: became a meme online because you could all spot it,

1645
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 5: how it was, you know what it was, what it

1646
01:24:58,160 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 5: looks to.

1647
01:24:58,520 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 1: Find obvious scam bus.

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01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 6: This is one employee very recently created.

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01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 8: And consulting a learing center exactly.

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01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:09,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And so COVID unleashed a lot of this.

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01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:14,599
Speaker 5: And I think you're completely right, Administrator Leffler, Kelly Kelly

1652
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 5: that when you do not police this, you're only going

1653
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:20,639
Speaker 5: to incentivize the creation of more and more and more fraud.

1654
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 1: Thirty seconds. We've got to break the response to.

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01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:27,719
Speaker 23: You, Yeah, absolutely well, and that's our commitment to small

1656
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 23: businesses and taxpayers is that we're just getting started.

1657
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 8: We're not letting up.

1658
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 23: We're not like dusting off our hands and saying we've

1659
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 23: sent it over to the DOJ. This has given us

1660
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 23: a playbook, really a blueprint of how we go state

1661
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 23: by state now and how we handle this.

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01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 8: This needs to become.

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01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 23: An expertise of the government is tracking down fraud.

1664
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 5: Well, I'm going to be saying prayers for you when

1665
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 5: you start cracking the books on California, New York. So

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01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 5: more with Kelly Leffler when we return, we'll be right back,

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01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 5: all right, Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show, final

1668
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:12,839
Speaker 5: segment of the day. We are joined by Kelly Lefler.

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01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 5: She's the administrator of the Small Business Administration, which is the.

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01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 1: Biggest bank in the country.

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01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 5: People don't realize just how much power the SBA wields

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01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 5: to help the economy and now you're rooting out fraud.

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01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 5: Blake has a really good question though, about a certain

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01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 5: variety of loans.

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01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 1: And other Yeah, another part of your portfolio.

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01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 6: So there is it's not super famous, but it's called

1677
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:41,680
Speaker 6: eight A certification. It needs basically being certified as a

1678
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:46,880
Speaker 6: disadvantaged firm as someone say minority owned, but can also

1679
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:49,719
Speaker 6: be women owned or certain other groupings, and it makes

1680
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 6: you eligible for favorable federal treatment. And it's getting noticed

1681
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 6: by a lot of people, especially online. This is a

1682
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 6: vector the federal government has used for let's just call

1683
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 6: it DEI or as we say on the show, anti

1684
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 6: anti white discrimination, anti white male discrimination. And my understanding

1685
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 6: is this does still exist within the SBA, So could

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01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 6: you talk to us a bit about that.

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01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 23: Like you're right now, let's just level set on what

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01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:14,720
Speaker 23: small businesses. It makes up ninety nine percent of all

1689
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 23: businesses in this country, and under President Trump we have

1690
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:18,679
Speaker 23: a record thirty six million.

1691
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 8: There's a group.

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01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:24,719
Speaker 23: Of small businesses that are under statute entitled to about

1693
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 23: five percent statutorily of federal contracting, so small businesses that

1694
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 23: are socially and economically disadvantaged. Well, under Biden that they

1695
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:37,800
Speaker 23: tripled that target to fifteen percent, and it created a

1696
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 23: big vacuum for veteran owned businesses to get federal contracts. Well,

1697
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 23: what we found in that was it was a front

1698
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 23: for shell and pass through companies to put someone in

1699
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 23: front of the business and say that they were a

1700
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 23: small business, that they were socially and economically, they self

1701
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 23: certified that they were disadvantaged, and then they were able

1702
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 23: to get these huge contracts. Now, when Kamala were searching

1703
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 23: out root cost, she put a immigration illegal immigration. She

1704
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 23: put a seven hundred million dollar contract out and it

1705
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:11,680
Speaker 23: ended up coming through bribery. The DOJ's investigating it through

1706
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 23: an eight day program. Now that's not a small business.

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01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:15,879
Speaker 23: It does a seven hundred million dollar contract.

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01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 1: And there's other ones. I remember.

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01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 6: I think when that hurricane hit Puerto Rico a decade ago,

1710
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:22,480
Speaker 6: there was an issue where they hired.

1711
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:22,679
Speaker 1: Like a one.

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01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:24,439
Speaker 6: It was a I think a black woman owned a

1713
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 6: company to supply like fifty thousand meals to the island

1714
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 6: and that was a disaster.

1715
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:29,479
Speaker 1: It never had I have.

1716
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 6: I've personally had friends who have set up a business

1717
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:36,680
Speaker 6: to get a government contract where they just cut in

1718
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 6: a guy who was part Native American or something and

1719
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:41,640
Speaker 6: said you get fifty one percent of it, we'll do

1720
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:43,719
Speaker 6: the work, we get our cut, you get your cut.

1721
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:45,640
Speaker 1: It just seems to clearly incentivize that.

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01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 6: And so I guess, as you say, Congress requires this

1723
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 6: to exist.

1724
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 8: But they don't require it to be rife with abuse.

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01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 23: It has never been audited in its forty five year history.

1726
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 23: It came in under Carter. We are conducting the first

1727
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 23: audit in forty five five years, and we've what we've

1728
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:04,839
Speaker 23: already found is a lot of malfeasance, a lot of fraud.

1729
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 8: We're going to get to the bottom of it.

1730
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 23: We're going to clean up the program and make sure

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01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:10,680
Speaker 23: deserving entrepreneurs get these opportunities.

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01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:15,479
Speaker 5: So this brings up this It's been percolating, bubbling up

1733
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 5: a little bit because of all this fraud. And this

1734
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 5: is a reintroduction of this conversation about Doge.

1735
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:22,639
Speaker 1: I thought Doge was amazing.

1736
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:26,559
Speaker 5: Charlie always loved Doge because it changed the culture and

1737
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 5: the focus in DC to actually start rooting some of.

1738
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 1: The stuff out.

1739
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 5: But then you have this falling out between Elon Musk

1740
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 5: even Elon and Scott Bessett, and it got all messy.

1741
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 5: We acknowledged that, but there is a coming back together.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Pete Hegsetch just announced a partnership with GROC

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01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 5: and XAI. What could so what what is going on

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01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 5: with DOGE? How would you guys SBA use it? How

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01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 5: did you use it? And can we can we reignite

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01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 5: this culture to root out some of this fraud.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, Doge was incredibly important in kicking off what is

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01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 23: accountability and government. It helped us facilitate a lot of

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01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:06,439
Speaker 23: the changes that we made very very quickly. And the

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01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:10,879
Speaker 23: mindset remains in this administration, which is right sizing the government.

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01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:13,720
Speaker 23: We've cut our agency by fifty two percent in terms

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01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 23: of headcount, thirty percent by spending in just the first year,

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01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 23: and we've done more business than ever. That is a

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01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 23: Doge mindset and that's what we have to continue to have.

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Speaker 1: I hope that that it.

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Speaker 23: Will stay within every agency in terms of what they

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01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:29,599
Speaker 23: look at is data. We simply go through and look

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01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 23: at the data and accountability, who's doing what and what

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01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 23: are the results?

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Speaker 1: And now is Palenteer involved in this?

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01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 5: Well, I know there's been a lot of like there's

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01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:40,680
Speaker 5: a lot of weird life paracies around Palenteer. Basically what

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01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:43,400
Speaker 5: Palenteer is, as far as far as I understand, send

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Speaker 5: us your emails freedom at Charliekirk dot com.

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01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 1: If you think I'm wrong.

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Speaker 5: It's basically getting databases to talk to one another, so

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01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 5: you cross reference different agencies and what they know, and

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01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,240
Speaker 5: you can root out fraud that way, which seems very

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01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 5: common sense to me.

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01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 23: I actually independently brought on Palenteer because this scale of

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01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:00,320
Speaker 23: the fraud that we're looking at is so.

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01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 8: Vital that we use AI, that we.

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01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:05,760
Speaker 23: Are data driven in our analytics, and then we have

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01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 23: this support externally because there's a lot of resistance internally

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01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 23: to right sizing the federal government and tracking down fraud.

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Speaker 1: How big is your staff?

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01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 23: Well, we've gone from about eight thousand to about four

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01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:17,519
Speaker 23: thousand now.

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01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 3: Wow.

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01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 23: So we do more with less. We're like a small business.

1781
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:25,840
Speaker 23: We're very efficient to have the economic impact that we do.

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01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:28,320
Speaker 23: We estimate it's about a trillion dollars annually when you

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01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 23: take a leverage impact of putting out one hundred billion

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01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 23: a year, I should say a trillion dollars over the

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01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 23: four year term of President Trump. And it's meaningful on

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01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 23: main Street because small businesses create two out of every

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01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:40,520
Speaker 23: three new jobs.

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01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'll just be honest. I'm sort of sitting

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01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:46,800
Speaker 5: here feeling educated. I hope the audience is getting a

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01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:49,640
Speaker 5: lot out of this, because I candidly didn't fixate on

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01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 5: SBA that much.

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01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:52,799
Speaker 1: I didn't think about it that much. But it's apparent.

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01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:54,680
Speaker 5: I mean, if Trump's calling you the biggest bank in

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01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 5: the country, that.

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Speaker 1: Means that sets a lot. He knows banks, He knows banks.

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Speaker 23: I think he's being kind, but I think he knows

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01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:02,599
Speaker 23: how important small business in main street is. He always

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01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 23: says to me, Kelly's small business is big business. He

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01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:07,519
Speaker 23: loves our job creators. Like I said, I just came

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01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 23: from a construction site, hard hats and everything. These are

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01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:13,800
Speaker 23: the people who make this country great, and we've got

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01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:15,640
Speaker 23: to support them and get big government out of the

1804
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:17,839
Speaker 23: way and get back to supporting free enterprise.

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01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:20,640
Speaker 5: Well, this is ridding it of this DEI stuff, this

1806
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 5: anti white garbage, ritting of it of the fraud. I

1807
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 5: mentioned Scott Bessett before. Let's gotead and play this. This

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01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:29,800
Speaker 5: is from yesterday, the day before he's talking about how

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01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:31,160
Speaker 5: much fraud we're dealing with.

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01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:32,760
Speaker 1: Three point eighty four.

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Speaker 18: We are going to hold people accountable.

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01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:42,040
Speaker 13: We're going to press this to the full extent possible

1813
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:46,759
Speaker 13: for American taxpayers, for American families, the GAO, the General

1814
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:51,519
Speaker 13: Accounting Office believe that there is somewhere between three and

1815
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 13: six hundred billion of annual fraud, roughly ten percent of

1816
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:58,800
Speaker 13: government spending that disappears.

1817
01:32:58,280 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 18: Due to fraud.

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Speaker 13: If we can recapture that, that is one to two

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01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 13: percent of GDP.

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Speaker 5: So, Kelly, let's end this where Scott ended this Economics

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01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:10,720
Speaker 5: the economy.

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01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:12,080
Speaker 1: It's rip roarin.

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01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 5: But Scott has also said we were setting the table

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01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:17,040
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty five. This year we get to enjoy

1825
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:18,680
Speaker 5: the feast and banquet. Are you seeing that?

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01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:20,639
Speaker 8: Absolutely? I see it every day.

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01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 23: I mean the Trump economic agenda is rocket fuel for

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01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:24,919
Speaker 23: main Street for this country.

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01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 8: We see GDP growth, we see.

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01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:31,800
Speaker 23: Wage growth, inflation coming down, interest rates coming down. These factors,

1831
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:35,479
Speaker 23: together with deregulating, is making sure that this economy is

1832
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 23: primed for twenty twenty six and beyond.

1833
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 8: We're just getting started.

1834
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 23: Eighteen trillion dollars pouring into this country and investment we've

1835
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:42,519
Speaker 23: never seen anything like it.

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01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:45,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, and all the data centers, the AI, the crypto,

1837
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:48,839
Speaker 5: the small businesses. And by the way, if you're deploying

1838
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:52,680
Speaker 5: capital more efficiently to better operators and you're getting rid

1839
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:55,679
Speaker 5: of this DEI garbage, you're going to end up getting

1840
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:58,200
Speaker 5: a bigger multiplier force multiplier. On the backside, it's going

1841
01:33:58,280 --> 01:33:59,599
Speaker 5: to have a bigger economic impact.

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01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 1: Well, we're running out of time.

1843
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:02,519
Speaker 5: I feel like I could keep talking about it for

1844
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:04,400
Speaker 5: a for a long time, Kelly, But thank you for

1845
01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 5: joining us.

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01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:06,479
Speaker 1: It's been an honor to have you in the studio.

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01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:09,479
Speaker 5: Thanks for visiting Phoenix and doing all this great work

1848
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 5: for the administration.

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01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:13,559
Speaker 1: That's it. Two hours in the came hours. That was.

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01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 1: That was a quick show, fun show. We'll see you

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Speaker 1: guys tomor tomorrow.