WEBVTT - The Next Generation

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<v Speaker 1>A group of high school students.

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<v Speaker 2>High school students Elizabeth and high school students started a

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<v Speaker 2>project to research a string of unsolved murders.

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<v Speaker 3>Their research led to the identification of the killer. Investigators

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<v Speaker 3>now have an answer to a thirty four year old question.

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<v Speaker 4>Once you start getting a few tips, or a few leads,

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<v Speaker 4>or few identifications, then the cold case isn't so cold anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a pretty good chance he's still alive.

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<v Speaker 4>Everything that the students predicted through their profile turned out

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<v Speaker 4>to be accurate.

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<v Speaker 5>Redhead Killer profile mail Caucasian, five nine six, two hundred

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<v Speaker 5>and seventy pounds, unstable home, absent father, and a domineering mother,

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<v Speaker 5>right handed, IQ above one hundred, most likely heterosexual.

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<v Speaker 4>There is no profile of this killer except for the

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<v Speaker 4>ones the students created.

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<v Speaker 6>Just because some of these women no longer have people

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<v Speaker 6>to speak for them does not mean that they deserve to.

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<v Speaker 1>Not be so anymore.

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<v Speaker 7>What if this guy's still alive?

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<v Speaker 8>Like, what if becomes after us?

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna kill me? Who's a year? This is Murder

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<v Speaker 3>one oh one, Season one, Episode five, The Next Generation.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Jeff Shane, a television and podcast producer at Katie

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<v Speaker 3>Studios with Stephanie Leidecker, Courtney Armstrong, and Andrew Arnold. It

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<v Speaker 3>had been four and a half years since the original

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<v Speaker 3>assignment wrapped up, but mister Campbell always felt there was

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<v Speaker 3>more to uncover. While scheduling and timing made it challenging

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<v Speaker 3>for mister Campbell to teach another sociology class, something even

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<v Speaker 3>better would come his way. In the fall of twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty two. I spoke to him about a potentially game

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<v Speaker 3>changing update.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, who says it has to be them to

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<v Speaker 4>do the work? I mean, you know, I mean, this

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<v Speaker 4>class did this work four or five years ago, but

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<v Speaker 4>I have students now that could do the work too,

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<v Speaker 4>and may want to do the work. For example, had

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<v Speaker 4>two young ladies basically begged me to teach each a

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<v Speaker 4>class on criminal psychology. And it's so funny because I

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<v Speaker 4>don't even think they knew really all the background of

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<v Speaker 4>things I did years ago. They weren't even at the

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<v Speaker 4>high school then. But what I'm saying is there is

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<v Speaker 4>work that needs to be done, but we also have

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<v Speaker 4>other students that I think are really willing to do it,

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<v Speaker 4>and they want to learn, and they want to do

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<v Speaker 4>exciting things and help people too.

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<v Speaker 3>So if there's a world where we can bring current

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<v Speaker 3>high school students in and have then kind of be

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<v Speaker 3>a part of these group meets where you assign things

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<v Speaker 3>and we talk about it and exciten me up.

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<v Speaker 4>We had a teacher gets sick and so we're short

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<v Speaker 4>of subs that you know, teachers helped cover each other's classes.

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<v Speaker 4>So I went into that classroom and it was a

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<v Speaker 4>you know, it was a health science class or something,

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<v Speaker 4>and I don't know how it came up, but you know,

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<v Speaker 4>they got their work done. There was a few minutes

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<v Speaker 4>at the end, and I'm just in there to make

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<v Speaker 4>sure everything's kind of calm. I don't have anything new

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<v Speaker 4>to teach them or anything. And they started talking about it,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, it just comes out. They're so into this,

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<v Speaker 4>they're so into true crime. They're so into coology and

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<v Speaker 4>sociology and criminology. They were so excited. And then I'm

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<v Speaker 4>sitting here thinking like they don't have any idea who

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<v Speaker 4>they're talking to, because I'm excited about this stuff too,

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<v Speaker 4>and they don't realize that there's this very important work

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<v Speaker 4>that things to be continued.

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<v Speaker 3>A few days later, mister Campbell officially enlisted juniors. Riley

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<v Speaker 3>Whitson and Marlee Mathena to help work the case. The

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<v Speaker 3>plan was for the two teens to start meeting mister

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<v Speaker 3>Campbell before school to see what they could find.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so, originally the students from about four or five

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<v Speaker 4>years ago were looking at six different victims, but because

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<v Speaker 4>of their work, a lot of stuff has.

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<v Speaker 1>Really been coming out in the last few years.

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<v Speaker 4>So why don't you ladies tell me what you've been

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<v Speaker 4>working on. Marley, why don't you go first.

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<v Speaker 8>I've been working on the de Putto County Jane Doe

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<v Speaker 8>and she was found January twenty fourth. I'm in nineteen

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<v Speaker 8>eighty five. She was adjacent Tiway seventy eight in all

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<v Speaker 8>of Rinch, Mississippi. And she was white with red or

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<v Speaker 8>strawberry blonde hair. She was about twenty to thirty five

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<v Speaker 8>years old. She was kind of smaller lady. There's only

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<v Speaker 8>one hundred and ten pounds, about five two to five four.

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<v Speaker 8>She was wearing a top, some jeans, but she had

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<v Speaker 8>no underwear, socks, shoes, broad jewelry, any of that. They

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<v Speaker 8>don't know her eye color. They think maybe brown, but

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<v Speaker 8>they don't know for sure. And she had scars from

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<v Speaker 8>surgeries and piercings and tattoos and everything, and they think

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<v Speaker 8>that she was sexually assaulted and her cause of death

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<v Speaker 8>was asphyxiation by ligature strangulation.

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<v Speaker 4>So you fel the DeSoto County Jane do deserves to

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<v Speaker 4>be included with the other six that the students had

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<v Speaker 4>found a few years back.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I think she does.

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<v Speaker 5>What.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, what is it that jumps out about

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<v Speaker 4>that case that makes you think it needs to be included.

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<v Speaker 1>With that list.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, it just kind of lines up with everything, like

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<v Speaker 8>the strangulation and that she's smaller, has red hair, and

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<v Speaker 8>that she was dumped off on a highway.

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<v Speaker 4>Now you said it was in Mississippi, Yes, and Mississippi

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't seem to fit the kind of East Well forty

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<v Speaker 4>corridor kind of thing. Where's that at in Mississippi?

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<v Speaker 8>It's in Olive Branch, but I think that's where his

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<v Speaker 8>sister lives.

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry John's sister.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, he did have a sister that live in Batesville,

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<v Speaker 4>which I think was kind of just south of the

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<v Speaker 4>Tennessee state line. So maybe we need to look at

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<v Speaker 4>that and let's see how far this victim was found

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<v Speaker 4>from West Memphis, where Lisa Nichols was found, and then

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<v Speaker 4>let's see how far that is from his sister's hometown

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<v Speaker 4>there in Mississippi, So maybe we can do that by

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<v Speaker 4>next week.

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<v Speaker 1>That sound good, Riley, What have you been digging into?

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<v Speaker 6>I've been looking at the case of baby girl Jane Doe,

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<v Speaker 6>who has now been identified as Tracy Sue Walker.

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<v Speaker 4>Walker was born.

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<v Speaker 6>June second, nineteen sixty three and reportedly went missing from

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<v Speaker 6>tip A Canoe Mall in nineteen seventy eight, which made

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<v Speaker 6>her around fifteen years old at the time her disappearance.

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<v Speaker 6>Her mother also reported her as running away a couple

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<v Speaker 6>of times, so this made people believe that she had

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<v Speaker 6>just run away until she was identified in twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so what are some of the things you think

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<v Speaker 4>make this case deserve to be included.

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<v Speaker 1>With the original six.

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<v Speaker 6>Obviously, she had red hair, she was younger, smaller girls,

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<v Speaker 6>some of the previously mentioned similarities between all of these cases.

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<v Speaker 6>But something very interesting we found in the last couple

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<v Speaker 6>weeks of research was that there were similarities between the

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<v Speaker 6>knots and cloth of Tina Farmer and the survivor Linda Show.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's been a very interesting finding and pretty compelling

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<v Speaker 6>as far as tying this all to Jerry Leon john

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<v Speaker 6>did they.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you looking at there on your computer? Yes, let

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<v Speaker 1>me see that.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, this is fascinating because a few years back

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<v Speaker 4>we scoured the internet, the students scoured the internet looking

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<v Speaker 4>for all this information. And I'm gonna be honest, this

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<v Speaker 4>was not there a few years ago. And Holy Michael,

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<v Speaker 4>I think this was big.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me tell you this. What's they set in?

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<v Speaker 4>I know it's up north a little bit. I think

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<v Speaker 4>it was Indiana.

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<v Speaker 8>Hold on, yeah, Indiana.

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<v Speaker 1>Lafayette, Lafayette, Yeah, Lafayette, Indiana.

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<v Speaker 4>That is very interesting because I know that area, not

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<v Speaker 4>because I've ever been up through there. But actually Tina Farmer,

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<v Speaker 4>who was the other Campbell County Jane Doe, went missing

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<v Speaker 4>from around Indianapolis, Yes, which is at that time probably

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<v Speaker 4>close to a ten hour drive from Knoxville, which is

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<v Speaker 4>where Jerry Leon Johns was spending a lot of time.

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<v Speaker 1>And so think about this. Think about this for a second.

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<v Speaker 4>Tina Farmer goes missing from around Indianapolis. This girl goes

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<v Speaker 4>missing from Lafayette, which is about an hour from Indianapolis,

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<v Speaker 4>and those are about ten hours away. And both of

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<v Speaker 4>those girls end up dead within a mile of each

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<v Speaker 4>other ten hour drive away. I think that's really big.

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<v Speaker 4>What's the chance it.

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<v Speaker 6>Is the greatest coincidence of all time?

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<v Speaker 4>Or and they're both red headed, and they're both white,

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<v Speaker 4>and they're both teenagers, and they both have the same

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<v Speaker 4>body style and hete and wait and all those things.

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<v Speaker 1>That is crazy. And then also I know.

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<v Speaker 4>That by looking at the history of jer Leon Johns

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<v Speaker 4>that the cops put together for the lend of share prosecution,

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<v Speaker 4>that he had lived in Rockford.

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<v Speaker 1>Illinois, and he still had family in Rockford, Illinois.

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<v Speaker 4>And if you look on the interstate, you have to

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<v Speaker 4>go through from from Tennessee, you have to go through

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<v Speaker 4>Indianapolis and Lafayette to get to Rockford.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is about an hour away.

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<v Speaker 4>So if he's traveling back and forth from his family

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<v Speaker 4>back down to areas here in Tennessee and East Tennessee,

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<v Speaker 4>those interstates and those cities are on the is on

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<v Speaker 4>that interstate, right on the way. And the fact that

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<v Speaker 4>both those young ladies went went missing from so far

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<v Speaker 4>away and then end up dead within a mile of

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<v Speaker 4>each other, within a couple of years of each other,

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<v Speaker 4>about thirty miles.

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<v Speaker 1>North of where Jerry Leon Johnson is hanging out. That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 6>And from what we've seen, I believe that Jerry Leon Johns.

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<v Speaker 6>I believe he's a very opportunistic but also calculated killer.

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<v Speaker 6>So I think wherever he's traveling, that's where we'll see

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<v Speaker 6>the path of destruction, you know what I'm saying. So

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<v Speaker 6>when we see these patterns of him traveling to these

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<v Speaker 6>different places, you know he's bound to recavoc where he goes.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so I think that's big. I definitely agree with you.

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<v Speaker 4>We need to look at the Tracy Sue Walker case.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's not because of bad work of the original students.

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<v Speaker 1>It's because it's new. Information's going right, and she.

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<v Speaker 6>Wasn't identified until August of this year.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, Okay, awesome, So I think you guys are

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<v Speaker 4>doing a good job.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we definitely need to continue to look at.

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<v Speaker 4>These two victims and maybe they need to be included

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<v Speaker 4>in the inner circle. And Marty, we'll go back to you, like,

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<v Speaker 4>what do you think you need to do next to

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<v Speaker 4>solidify the fact that you think she's connected with these

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<v Speaker 4>other murders.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in

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<v Speaker 3>a moment. Murder one O one.

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<v Speaker 8>I think I definitely need to figure out like the

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<v Speaker 8>relationship between where she was found and where his sister lives,

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<v Speaker 8>So definitely figure out that. So then it gives like

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<v Speaker 8>a reason for why he would be going down there,

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<v Speaker 8>and it just connects it, so it's not like it's

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<v Speaker 8>crazy out of the way, And then I think look

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<v Speaker 8>at the other victims a little bit more and try

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<v Speaker 8>and find like connecting factors between this.

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<v Speaker 6>And an unfortunate fact too, is so many of these women

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<v Speaker 6>were done injustice as far as the investigation goes, just

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<v Speaker 6>because so many of them were transient or were a

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<v Speaker 6>possible sex workers away from home. So many of them

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<v Speaker 6>were done a disservice by the justice system and enough

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<v Speaker 6>wasn't enough, attention wasn't given to them. Yeah, for Tina

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<v Speaker 6>Farmer and Linda, they were cloth that had been tied

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<v Speaker 6>around their necks and the knot was in the cloth

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<v Speaker 6>around their necks.

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<v Speaker 4>So all right, So right here I have a huge

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<v Speaker 4>three ring binder. This is all of the information that

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<v Speaker 4>was collected for the Linda attempted murder.

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<v Speaker 1>By Jerry Leon Johnson.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's the only one that went to court. So

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<v Speaker 4>we have all this information and I have it right here,

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<v Speaker 4>and in this stack of a couple hundred pages, we

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<v Speaker 4>actually went down to Nashville, and here are some pictures

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<v Speaker 4>of the knots that were tied around her neck. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>it says in here that he took the T shirt

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<v Speaker 4>she was wearing, ripped it into strips, and then used

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<v Speaker 4>that to bind her ankles together and then her wrist together,

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<v Speaker 4>and then tied her wrist her ankles like the hawg tie,

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<v Speaker 4>And when she was in the car, that's how she

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<v Speaker 4>was tied. And so then he used those T shirt

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<v Speaker 4>strips to strangle her. And you're telling me that they

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<v Speaker 4>found something similar on Tina Farmer, who was who was

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<v Speaker 4>also another the other Campbell County victim.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, they found cloth that had been ripped up and

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<v Speaker 6>tied around the neck of her as well.

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<v Speaker 8>So very very similar, as.

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<v Speaker 6>You've said too, and just something interesting that when we

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<v Speaker 6>were personally into this case, it just kind of blew

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<v Speaker 6>my mind and shows you the ruthless, the ruthlessness and

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<v Speaker 6>the savageness of Jerry Leon Johns. Whenever Linda was choked,

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<v Speaker 6>she was choked so hard that she was blind for

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<v Speaker 6>three days after the assault, and the whites of her

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<v Speaker 6>eyes we've seen the pictures from the hospital. The whites

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<v Speaker 6>in her eyes were completely red, as deep as red

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<v Speaker 6>as you can think. It was a haunting sight to

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<v Speaker 6>see her picture from them.

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<v Speaker 1>I almost say something else like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Information about Tina Farmer being strangled with a cloth was

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<v Speaker 4>not out there either.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't say anything like that when we were looking.

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<v Speaker 4>And I didn't even know that she was found in

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<v Speaker 4>a blanket until it came out that she was identified.

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<v Speaker 4>And they knew that Jerr Lee on John has killed

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<v Speaker 4>her because his DNA was found on the blanket, So

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<v Speaker 4>they didn't even release that. So the fact that now

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<v Speaker 4>we know that she was strangled with a.

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<v Speaker 1>Cloth shirt from a.

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<v Speaker 8>T shirts, from her T shirt.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, from her T shirt, very very similar to Linda.

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<v Speaker 4>And then this girl Tracy Walker, who disappeared about an

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<v Speaker 4>hour from Tina Farmer up in Indianapolis, ends up about

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<v Speaker 4>a mile away from her. She also has been They

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<v Speaker 4>found the T shirt that survived, yes, I believe, so

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<v Speaker 4>they have strips of cloth with a knot in there.

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<v Speaker 4>And then we know for a fact on the Linden

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<v Speaker 4>case that he tied her and then strangled her with

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<v Speaker 4>a T shirt. If that is not signature on a Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>then I don't know what is I totally agree that

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<v Speaker 4>Tracy C. Walker definitely needs to be like right in

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<v Speaker 4>the center of the possible victims.

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<v Speaker 6>And I believe we should look and see what we

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<v Speaker 6>can find on other victims to see if there's that

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<v Speaker 6>possible Samemo. I mean, if he did something so similar

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<v Speaker 6>for these three victims, he's bound to do it for others.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, is there anything else we need to do

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<v Speaker 4>this week? You know, just kind of research and see

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<v Speaker 4>if we can continue to pull these together.

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<v Speaker 6>Like I said, just I think looking more into I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>we know some of these small details that may seem insignificant,

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<v Speaker 6>but these are the type of details that we're going

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<v Speaker 6>to put together to really make a compelling case for ourselves.

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, girls, great job. I know it's almost time

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<v Speaker 4>to go to class. I appreciate y'all coming in early.

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<v Speaker 4>I know you got your busy, you got basketball, you

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<v Speaker 4>got school. But I appreciate y'all coming in before school

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<v Speaker 4>and working on this in your spare time.

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<v Speaker 1>I really think we've come a long way. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>wait to see what else you guys find.

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<v Speaker 3>So who are the young women going above and beyond

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<v Speaker 3>in the search of justice.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm Riley Wits, and obviously I'm sixteen. I'll be seventeen

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<v Speaker 6>the day before, no two days before Halloween, so I've

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<v Speaker 6>kind of always had that spooky ambiance follow me around

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<v Speaker 6>everywhere I go. But yeah, I've always been very interested,

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<v Speaker 6>morbidly and fascinated with stuff that most people are like, Wow,

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<v Speaker 6>You're either going to be a serial killer or a

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<v Speaker 6>brain surgeon when you grow up.

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<v Speaker 8>Hi, I'm Malonsina. I'm a junior at elizabeth In High

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<v Speaker 8>School and I'm sixteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Marley spoke about the extracurricular club.

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<v Speaker 8>We started, like a little club, which right now is

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<v Speaker 8>just me and Riley, so we just started getting into it.

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<v Speaker 8>I would say that it's definitely out there, like I'm

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<v Speaker 8>not gonna take away from that, but like anyone's capable

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<v Speaker 8>of anything.

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<v Speaker 6>So we decided, you know, to come in early few

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<v Speaker 6>times a week and do some work on our own

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<v Speaker 6>when we could. Me and Marley both play play basketball

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<v Speaker 6>for the school, so we'll be in the locker room

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<v Speaker 6>talking about it, and all our teammates are like, what

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<v Speaker 6>the heck is going on?

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<v Speaker 8>The rest is history.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess Marley and Riley are best friends.

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<v Speaker 8>Riley's my best friend. She has been since like third grade,

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<v Speaker 8>so we've always been close. Well in third grade, we

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<v Speaker 8>met her basketball and we both still play basketball now

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<v Speaker 8>and we go over to her or I used to

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<v Speaker 8>go over to her house all the time and we

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<v Speaker 8>just did everything together. And back then I used to

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<v Speaker 8>be like really really quiet, like I would have a

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<v Speaker 8>panic attack. Before I had this phone call and she

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<v Speaker 8>was more outgoing. But she's still pullay the more the

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<v Speaker 8>outgoing one and all that. But I think I've gained

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<v Speaker 8>a little bit more of the outgoing this her.

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<v Speaker 3>We spoke to Riley's dad, mister Woodson.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they are literally best bff's best friends. Our

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<v Speaker 2>families are best friends. We vacation together, like we go

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<v Speaker 2>we go to Florida together every year. We you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we travel, we stay together. We you know, we get

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<v Speaker 2>together on the weekend's cookouts with them, hang by the

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<v Speaker 2>pool where and she has a younger brother who is

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<v Speaker 2>the same age as my youngest daughter, and their best friends.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's just like our whole folent family dynamic. It's

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<v Speaker 2>we were We didn't know them back then, but me

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<v Speaker 2>and my wife got married like a month apart from

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<v Speaker 2>Marley's mom and dad, Mikey and Courtney, and then we

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<v Speaker 2>had our first kids at the same time and our

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<v Speaker 2>second kids at the same time. They're just a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of parts. So yeah, it's a pretty interesting dynamic.

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<v Speaker 3>We also got the chance to connect with Marley's mom,

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<v Speaker 3>missus Mathena.

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<v Speaker 7>They are peanut, butter and jelly. Riley is much more.

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<v Speaker 7>Riley is the extrovert. She's out going, she could talk

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<v Speaker 7>to anyone. She's definitely not shy. She performs. She has

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<v Speaker 7>a beautiful singing voice, and it's comfortable. She you know,

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<v Speaker 7>at many events. She everything from performing with the praise

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<v Speaker 7>band at her church, she sings at funeral she has

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<v Speaker 7>sung from the very large crowds for community events, the

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<v Speaker 7>national anthem. So Riley's there. Marley's more of the quiet

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<v Speaker 7>behind the scenes. But they balanced each other so well.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, one is more cautious, one is more of

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<v Speaker 7>a risk taker. You know, you've got one pulling the

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<v Speaker 7>turtle out of the shell and the other one tempering,

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<v Speaker 7>you know. I mean, they are just in and yank.

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<v Speaker 7>They are a perfect sweet little friendship. Basketball is their passion.

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<v Speaker 7>Last year their team went to the state tournament. We

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<v Speaker 7>didn't win the championship, but we had an awesome run

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<v Speaker 7>and we lost no players. We had the juniors and

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<v Speaker 7>sophomores last year. So our goal this year is for

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<v Speaker 7>the girls to go back. They're working very hard. Riley

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<v Speaker 7>is point guard. She is an awesome shooter. She has

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<v Speaker 7>the most beautiful three point shot you've ever seen. Marley

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<v Speaker 7>plays the post position and again, you know, her timidness

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<v Speaker 7>has been, you know, something that she's been working to

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<v Speaker 7>come out of, and she has really grown and pushed

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<v Speaker 7>herself again to the next level and in her post

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<v Speaker 7>position really going after the ball and crashing the boards

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<v Speaker 7>and rebounding. They both girls are very, very very hard

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<v Speaker 7>workers on the court, off the court, in the classroom.

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<v Speaker 7>Whatever they do their work ethic, they will put in

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<v Speaker 7>one hundred and ten percent. So them getting up at

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<v Speaker 7>seven o'clock in the morning, that's not out of character

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<v Speaker 7>for them.

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<v Speaker 3>Aside from being on her students and star basketball players,

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<v Speaker 3>what truly bonded the girls was their obsession with true crime,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think.

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<v Speaker 2>That falls in with wanting to solve the Jane Doe

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<v Speaker 2>type stuff. She loves helping people less fortunate. It like

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<v Speaker 2>at church before at church and there's kids in the

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<v Speaker 2>youth who are kind of less fortunate, Riley will gravitate

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<v Speaker 2>to those kids. She wants to love on those kids

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<v Speaker 2>and help those kids, and I think they kind of

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<v Speaker 2>really as part of her passion for one to solve

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<v Speaker 2>the Jane Doe. She wants to help these ladies out,

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<v Speaker 2>or these people, these victims who don't have a voice anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>She wants to help them out. She is a typical teenager,

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<v Speaker 2>but she's she's.

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<v Speaker 4>On her phone a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm not kidding. If she's on her phone for

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<v Speaker 2>five hours in her spare time of day, four and

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<v Speaker 2>a half hours is with the crime podcasts.

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<v Speaker 3>For Marley's mom, the newfound interest came as a bit

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<v Speaker 3>of a shock.

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<v Speaker 7>She is not the child that enjoys thrill rides. She

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<v Speaker 7>has never watched scary movies, you know, and it's like, wows,

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<v Speaker 7>And I'm interested in true crime. That's kind of surprising.

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<v Speaker 7>But she's really interested into the scientific, the forensic, and

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<v Speaker 7>she's like, to make big, big impacts in life, you

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<v Speaker 7>kind of have to go outside the box.

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<v Speaker 3>The club took a few days to review the information

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<v Speaker 3>before meeting back up.

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<v Speaker 6>So what have you been finding so like I said previously,

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<v Speaker 6>we're just trying to tie Tracy Walker with the rest

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<v Speaker 6>of these victims, and really because we feel that there's

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of compelling evidence that ties her to Juy

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<v Speaker 6>Lean Johns. So something very interesting I found here. I'm

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<v Speaker 6>looking at my map. Tina Farmer was from Indianapolis and Indiana,

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<v Speaker 6>and a Walker was from Lafayette in Indiana.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's about an hour or maybe yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Round about something like that. Well, we've covered that Jerry

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<v Speaker 6>Leon John was a trucker. Well, there's a highway or

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<v Speaker 6>interstate that goes directly between these two and he would

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<v Speaker 6>have taken this route so he didn't have to go

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<v Speaker 6>through Chicago, which most truckers would not want to go

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<v Speaker 6>through Chicago due to traffic obvious reasons. So there's a

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<v Speaker 6>direct line between these two cities which he would have taken,

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<v Speaker 6>which I think is very just give us a direct line.

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<v Speaker 6>But even more than that, directly above to the left

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<v Speaker 6>of these two cities is Rockford, Illinois, which was where

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<v Speaker 6>Jerry Leon John's family was from, and when him and

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<v Speaker 6>his wife divorced, she actually moved back there. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>it's practically a perfect diagonal line.

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<v Speaker 1>It's highway of death. Yes, as sad as that he is.

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<v Speaker 8>So.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, there's just so many similarities.

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<v Speaker 8>There's no way it's coincidental.

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<v Speaker 4>It's hard to say to people got kidnapped ten hours

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<v Speaker 4>away and their bodies ended up within a mile of.

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<v Speaker 1>Each other, and it wasn't the same person. Everything else

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<v Speaker 1>matches exactly it.

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<v Speaker 8>And this is actually pretty interesting. But her name is

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<v Speaker 8>We figured out that the Desto count and Jane Doe

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<v Speaker 8>was also strangled with the ligature?

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<v Speaker 1>Did it say anything about what type of ligature?

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<v Speaker 7>On?

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<v Speaker 8>NamUs didn't and just said that it was a ligature,

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<v Speaker 8>but she was missing like a jacket and undergarments, which

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know if that has anything to do with it,

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<v Speaker 8>but he could use the jacket.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's a lot of good work for a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of days. They got to give y' all a pretty

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<v Speaker 4>good grade too. But you getting ready to have your

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<v Speaker 4>big three day weekend, don't rub it in. These teachers

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<v Speaker 4>have to work on Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>But what do you think we need to.

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<v Speaker 8>Do figure out more about the what the ligature could

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<v Speaker 8>have been?

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<v Speaker 1>Riley? What are you going to be working?

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<v Speaker 6>I believe just again trying to tie more more of

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<v Speaker 6>these cases together. Looking into specific small details, even if

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<v Speaker 6>they seem insignificant, because I feel like those add up.

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<v Speaker 6>Like just seeing that Tina Farm and Tracy Walker were

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<v Speaker 6>from Lafayette and Indianapolis, you wouldn't think too much into that,

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<v Speaker 6>But seeing that route to Rockford, I mean, that's just

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<v Speaker 6>pretty compelling in my opinion. So maybe looking at some

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<v Speaker 6>more geography, seeing if these would have been roots that

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<v Speaker 6>he would have taken.

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<v Speaker 1>I think also we need to keep working on our timeline.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, where what was he doing when Tracy Walker disappears?

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<v Speaker 6>Maybe since that I've thought about too those intricate knots.

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<v Speaker 6>Could he have got those from his military training? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>in his boot camp. You know, it'd be interesting to

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<v Speaker 6>see what those types of notes are used for, if

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<v Speaker 6>we could identify them.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to maybe show this to a not expert.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, in between meetings, Riley spoke about why she was

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<v Speaker 3>motivated to do this work.

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<v Speaker 8>These were people.

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<v Speaker 6>They weren't names, they weren't Jane Doe's, they weren't people

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<v Speaker 6>who didn't They were loved and they were cherished at

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<v Speaker 6>some point in their lives, and their family members have

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<v Speaker 6>gone this long, maybe not even knowing if they're dead

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<v Speaker 6>or alive, you know, just wondering if there's still out

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<v Speaker 6>there and nobody wants to hear that their daughter or

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<v Speaker 6>sister or cousin has been killed. But I think if

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<v Speaker 6>we can bring closure to some of these people and

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<v Speaker 6>to some of these families and say, you know, this

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<v Speaker 6>is what happened, this is who did it. They didn't

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<v Speaker 6>run away willingly or you know they were still out

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<v Speaker 6>there or they're not still out there, I think that

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<v Speaker 6>would just be so rewarding in itself, just to know

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<v Speaker 6>that we were able to bring some peace and some

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<v Speaker 6>closure to people. That gets me so frustrated because you know,

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<v Speaker 6>I've heard it people like, we'll talk about it, and

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<v Speaker 6>people are like, you're so young, Like why are you

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<v Speaker 6>worried about this? I'm like, because if we don't face

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<v Speaker 6>this issue now, my daughter, or my mom or.

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<v Speaker 8>My sister, it could be them one day.

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<v Speaker 6>If this was anybody in my family, I would want

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<v Speaker 6>everybody and anybody doing whatever they could to help out.

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<v Speaker 6>If I can give a little bit of my time to,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, honor these women and take back their names

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<v Speaker 6>from Jerry Leon John's. It's just so heartbreaking to see

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<v Speaker 6>these women die and no change come from it like

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<v Speaker 6>this is the worst possible circumstance and the worst possible

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<v Speaker 6>thing that could happened to a person, and there's not

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<v Speaker 6>even change coming from that. They shouldn't have died at all,

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<v Speaker 6>but they should not have died in vain. More than that.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's stop here for another quick break murder one on one.

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<v Speaker 3>While Riley and Marley continued to research, mister Campbell set

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<v Speaker 3>off to locate the only known surviving victim of the

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<v Speaker 3>Bible Belt strangler. When the club reconvened, he had promising news.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, good morning, ladies. How y'all doing. Yeah, yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>is our last.

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<v Speaker 4>Day before a little three day weekend, you guys get

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<v Speaker 4>I appreciate y'all coming in early.

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<v Speaker 1>If this story had.

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<v Speaker 4>A hero, in my opinion, that is his final victim,

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<v Speaker 4>which is Linn. She was the lady who was attacked

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<v Speaker 4>left for dead beside the road. He knew what it

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<v Speaker 4>was like to literally see the life go out of

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<v Speaker 4>their eyes because he choked them, probably facing them with

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<v Speaker 4>the ligature, and so he left her for dead beside

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<v Speaker 4>the road. And we have to assume that she wasn't breathing,

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<v Speaker 4>and she was, for all intentsive purposes dead but she

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<v Speaker 4>comes back to life. She starts breathing again, and then

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<v Speaker 4>she gets out of the culvert and goes into the

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<v Speaker 4>interstate and gets somebody to help her. Remember, she was

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<v Speaker 4>blind for three days. He choked her so badly she

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<v Speaker 4>couldn't see. She actually made it all the way across

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<v Speaker 4>two lanes of traffic, through the median and into the

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<v Speaker 4>other lane, and she really didn't know she was out

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<v Speaker 4>in the middle road. She just knew she was close

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<v Speaker 4>to some traffic. But because she got out there and

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<v Speaker 4>she got helped so quickly, she was able to tell

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<v Speaker 4>the police, you know, what he looked like, what he

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<v Speaker 4>was driving, where they were, and they caught him. They

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<v Speaker 4>caught him that night. And because of that, he didn't

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<v Speaker 4>get to hurt anybody else, right, which is great, But

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<v Speaker 4>if it wasn't for her will to live, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>just the toughness and tenasty she had, he would have

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<v Speaker 4>gone on to hurt more and more and more people.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't going to stop.

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<v Speaker 4>So if there's anybody that's the hero in the story,

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<v Speaker 4>it's Lindy. And I've been looking for her for a

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<v Speaker 4>long time and what I found was she had gotten

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<v Speaker 4>divorced a couple of years later, she had a child

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<v Speaker 4>and then she moved. So whenever I found him, I

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<v Speaker 4>started looking up his name, and then I found the

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<v Speaker 4>death notice in the paper and down at the bottom

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<v Speaker 4>had listed like a special friend and it mentioned Linda.

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<v Speaker 4>So I was like, all right, not many people make

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<v Speaker 4>it into that death announcement, so maybe it's her. So

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<v Speaker 4>whenever I began to look for that, I found a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of lends you can imagine, across the country. So

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<v Speaker 4>I just began to look, where do you look when

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<v Speaker 4>you want to find somebody?

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<v Speaker 1>On Facebook? So I pulled out Facebook.

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<v Speaker 4>I started looking, and when I looked, I'm like, this

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<v Speaker 4>is probably her.

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<v Speaker 1>So I began to dig through.

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<v Speaker 4>Her posts and I find that she had mentioned something

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<v Speaker 4>about being with her son and his last name was

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<v Speaker 4>so that was her first child. And then I find

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<v Speaker 4>like all these kind of links to like Greenville, Green County,

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<v Speaker 4>Washington County, Tennessee. And then that kind of falls off

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<v Speaker 4>a few years ago and she appears and it looks

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<v Speaker 4>like that's where one of her at least one of

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<v Speaker 4>her children live, So I think I found her.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's kind of like.

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<v Speaker 4>The dog that you know, chased the car and then

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<v Speaker 4>caught it, like, what are you going to do? You know,

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<v Speaker 4>I've looked for so long and now I know where

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<v Speaker 4>she's at and I have a way to.

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<v Speaker 6>Contact her, and she may not know the lives that

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<v Speaker 6>she's possibly saved.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, well, that's true. You know, I was talking

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<v Speaker 4>about her being like the hero of the story. If

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<v Speaker 4>she doesn't have that will to live, if she doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>call the police and go through with the prosecution, then

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<v Speaker 4>he continues to hurt people and kill people.

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<v Speaker 1>So does she even know this?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's been part.

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<v Speaker 1>She was just a few years older than you all.

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<v Speaker 4>So y'all have any advice for me as I reach

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<v Speaker 4>out to her.

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<v Speaker 6>I wouldn't go into it as if you're don't make

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<v Speaker 6>her feel she's on trial or like you're asking her

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<v Speaker 6>questions questions. Get to know her first, ask her about,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, her current interest, her family, how she likes.

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<v Speaker 6>To Just get to know her first and get that

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<v Speaker 6>personal connection. I think it'll be a lot easier for

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<v Speaker 6>her to open up with you if she wants to.

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<v Speaker 6>And at the same time, don't push obviously, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>don't push if she if she doesn't want.

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<v Speaker 8>To send me a message to her instead of calling her,

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<v Speaker 8>so that may be better than she can answer on

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<v Speaker 8>her own time and not feel like pressured like she

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<v Speaker 8>has to talk about it right then, like if you can,

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<v Speaker 8>it's supposed to.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, she might need a little bit to gather

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<v Speaker 6>what she wants to say and what she doesn't want.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's a good point, just really reinforcing the idea

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<v Speaker 6>that her story could save even more lives. It's save

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<v Speaker 6>the lives because she stopped Jay lean John in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 6>but at the same time, she could bring so much

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<v Speaker 6>justice and peace and closure to so many families.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I would think so too. Okay, well, hey, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's been a pretty good week. So what are

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<v Speaker 1>you gonna do over your three day weekend?

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<v Speaker 8>Probably just research some more.

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<v Speaker 1>So y'all do school work even when you're off school.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, not like calculus there.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh no, I have to go do my calculus homework

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<v Speaker 6>right now in first period because I was looking at this.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 4>The bell just rang right, So well, you guys, scurry

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<v Speaker 4>on the class, But thank you for your works.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's been a really good week, and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>just keep working.

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<v Speaker 6>And see what we find, yeah for.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, And then I'll see if I can get up

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<v Speaker 4>the nerve to call into and see how she feels about.

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<v Speaker 6>That, crossing my fingers toes and eyes.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you guys, have a great day.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, thank you too.

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<v Speaker 6>Hello?

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<v Speaker 4>Is this Lennon?

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