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Speaker 1: We got a special special guest man. We got the
Speaker 1: homeboy may No Man All the Way man from New
Speaker 1: York Man, you know NYC man. That's my spot man.
Speaker 1: That's my second home. Man, shout out, what's up? Man?
Speaker 1: You know what's good? What's up? What's up? Fellas are
Speaker 1: you doing? And we're good? Man? Man, we just out
Speaker 1: of your chilling man, you know doing what it is
Speaker 1: we do. Man, I just want to say this. You
Speaker 1: got quite the reputation out there. You want the real
Speaker 1: ones for show? Hey man, you know that. I mean,
Speaker 1: we come from real place, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And anything we had to do, we just had to
Speaker 1: do it, you know. You know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: since since we keep it all the way g on
Speaker 1: the show, we ain't gonna talk about none of the
Speaker 1: beat downs with the smackings that don't happen in the past,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But one thing we alas
Speaker 1: gonna go back to. We gonna go way way back man,
Speaker 1: because um, you did a bid. We're gonna go tip
Speaker 1: a drug dealer. So what you did a bid for?
Speaker 1: You know back in the day, you know you did
Speaker 1: a bid. You did a bid. Man out there, you
Speaker 1: know it's gonna execute something that didn't go quite as
Speaker 1: as you playing. But when you was locked up, you
Speaker 1: found out that you had some special attributes about yourself.
Speaker 1: You actually learned how to rap in a hole. That's right.
Speaker 1: That's a fact. That's a fact. I never I never
Speaker 1: had no you know, inspirational thoughts about being a rapper.
Speaker 1: I was always a fan. I wasn't, you know, I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I was a fan of music period. You know, you know,
Speaker 1: um when the West Coast started to take off, and
Speaker 1: you know, I was in prison when when m C eight,
Speaker 1: you know, and um, you know Minister Society came out.
Speaker 1: You know, we was, we was all fans of that.
Speaker 1: We we we we watched Tupac Rise, we watched everything
Speaker 1: happened in the Death Row and all that, you know.
Speaker 1: But I wasn't inspired to ever be an artist. I
Speaker 1: didn't start rapping as I was actually, you know, in
Speaker 1: a in a hole one of these times, and you know,
Speaker 1: spending a year in there, and you know some guys
Speaker 1: that was rapping on the gate and it was a
Speaker 1: Friday night, and I just was just like, man, you
Speaker 1: know what the next you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get up the next morning and write me my first rhyme,
Speaker 1: and I just I started just to do it out
Speaker 1: of out of boardom just just the past the time.
Speaker 1: So that's how I started to develop and do that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, I know coming from the streets, man,
Speaker 1: real street niggas kind of looked down on ravers, you know,
Speaker 1: real street niggas. Sol did any of your homies trip
Speaker 1: on you when you came home talking But I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be a rapper now? Was They kind of like, man,
Speaker 1: what then you're talking about man rapping? See, that's that's
Speaker 1: the thing. Like, So I come from a place where
Speaker 1: it wasn't fashionable to be a rapper. It was like rapper,
Speaker 1: you rap, nigger rapper. So it was I had I
Speaker 1: had to keep it a secret for my guys, you know,
Speaker 1: and and I had to keep it. You know. I
Speaker 1: just wasn't coming on the yard and just rapping because
Speaker 1: you know, it was just not the thing to be
Speaker 1: doing because like I said, you mean, we know, it
Speaker 1: wasn't always fashionable to be that. You know. I never
Speaker 1: looked up to artists in that way. I never looked
Speaker 1: I never idolized rappers in that way. I didn't look
Speaker 1: at rappers and want to beat them, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I was more infatuated with the other side
Speaker 1: of things. And you know, so so what I did
Speaker 1: was because I didn't want to just spring that on
Speaker 1: my homies. I kept it. I kept it to myself
Speaker 1: for as long as I could. And and I you know,
Speaker 1: and because you know, my niggas loved me, so you
Speaker 1: know it was I got to a point where I
Speaker 1: was like, yo, I think we could do music as
Speaker 1: a as a hustle. So I had to present it
Speaker 1: to them like as an idea of a hustle, as
Speaker 1: an idea for us to try something different, because now
Speaker 1: we're in our twenties and it's like, you know, we've
Speaker 1: been out here doing all this ship for all these years.
Speaker 1: You know, we were throwing our lives away. Let's try
Speaker 1: to do something different, you know. We we we've seen
Speaker 1: what when music has done for you know, for hustlers
Speaker 1: and dudes like like holding up, Like we could do
Speaker 1: the same thing. We come from the same neighborhood as
Speaker 1: like Big In and J C and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: so we could why not, you know, and a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of cats um come from the street aspect.
Speaker 1: I mean, we looked at that ship as a hustle.
Speaker 1: You know. It's a way to not get caught up
Speaker 1: by the one time, you know, a serving or serving
Speaker 1: ya on the corner, fucking when we serve some rhymes,
Speaker 1: because I see niggas is making money from that ship.
Speaker 1: And especially if I can talk about the neighborhood and
Speaker 1: put some tails in the streets of ship, we do
Speaker 1: on that aspect. So it becomes to the hussle like
Speaker 1: the d you feel me exactly exactly, So why you
Speaker 1: can't be a gangster and start rapping and you just
Speaker 1: said one of those real cats that's on some real
Speaker 1: gangster ship and the ship that you're spending out there,
Speaker 1: people perceive that because they know what type of cat
Speaker 1: you is. So why you couldn't just bam, just be
Speaker 1: that nigga? I mean, you know you you are who
Speaker 1: you are no matter what you put on later on,
Speaker 1: you are who you are. So if your core is
Speaker 1: you know you you're a stand up dude, and you
Speaker 1: won't be a stand up dude no matter how you
Speaker 1: how you uh, you know how you put it. But
Speaker 1: to me in the beginning, it was it was just
Speaker 1: the way I just had a I guess, you know,
Speaker 1: um insecurity on how I thought people would perceive me,
Speaker 1: you know, and plus I wish I was a lot younger,
Speaker 1: you know, Um, but you are who you are after
Speaker 1: a wild though. When when when the music starts to
Speaker 1: become profitable and you start to make some ways? You
Speaker 1: can't do both though, Oh for sure, it's definitely hard.
Speaker 1: You gotta pick a side at some point. I mean,
Speaker 1: you are who you are as a man. But at
Speaker 1: some point, you know, when it becomes a business for you,
Speaker 1: you have to. You have to. You have to pick
Speaker 1: one one hat over the other. Yeah, man, And that's
Speaker 1: the thing, man, I want to go back. Man, when
Speaker 1: you first got locked up, man, because you know that's
Speaker 1: on this show, man, That's what we talked about. Man,
Speaker 1: we try to really Kelly's young niggas. This out here
Speaker 1: ain't nothing inside of that motherfucker. Everything's going on out
Speaker 1: here really. You know you're trying to go in there
Speaker 1: so bad just to try to get a reputation and everything. Man,
Speaker 1: when you first got locked up, man, what was going
Speaker 1: through your mind? Man? When you like, what the funk?
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm cut up in this dumb ship.
Speaker 1: Um See for me, I was I was, you know,
Speaker 1: for lack of better words, I was I was at
Speaker 1: risk youth, so I had been getting in trouble basically,
Speaker 1: for a great a great portion of my young life.
Speaker 1: I had been going and you know, been in you know,
Speaker 1: juvenile detention and you know division for you and group
Speaker 1: homes and you know a d T schools and stuff
Speaker 1: or whatever they had for you. Like I have been
Speaker 1: gone through that already. Spaw fit um. So you know,
Speaker 1: you know, growing up the way I grew up, you know,
Speaker 1: going to prison almost felt like you expected it because
Speaker 1: it was everything that you've seen around you. You know,
Speaker 1: all of the dudes that you respected have been in jail.
Speaker 1: Everybody that I looked up to have been in jail. Um,
Speaker 1: And you almost expected to be one day in that
Speaker 1: situation because it becomes natural because of the environment that
Speaker 1: you win. Because the environment is aggressive. The environment is
Speaker 1: is violent. You're selling growths, were shooting, and the police
Speaker 1: is gonna come at some point. We expected. Um. But
Speaker 1: my prison experience, I hated prison every day. But you
Speaker 1: know I got into a lot of trouble in there. Um.
Speaker 1: I am gonna hold you. You know, I got into
Speaker 1: a lot of trouble when I was in prison. I
Speaker 1: was in over ten different prisons, some of them twice
Speaker 1: while I was in prison. And that's a hell of
Speaker 1: a lot of different prisons to being you know. So
Speaker 1: that's just a testament of how much trouble I I
Speaker 1: used to get into. You know, I spent almost four
Speaker 1: years in solitary can from it. So I was I
Speaker 1: was a knucklehead, you know what I mean? And you
Speaker 1: know I wasn't. I was definitely not one of the
Speaker 1: you know, one of the model inmates. You understand, you know,
Speaker 1: I stayed and I stayed in the ship so um,
Speaker 1: but I hated and I hated it every day of it.
Speaker 1: And I knew that I wouldn't um when I whenever
Speaker 1: I did leave prison, I knew that I wouldn't leave
Speaker 1: my spirit in there, you know what I mean, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't do. I wouldn't do. So I had us about
Speaker 1: who I was. I wasn't gonna come to jail and
Speaker 1: become something that I wasn't. I wasn't gonna come to
Speaker 1: jail become and involved myself with you know, homosexuality, involved
Speaker 1: myself with and become a drug addict, you know, become up,
Speaker 1: become a jail house snitch like these. Because I felt
Speaker 1: like if I did any one of those things that
Speaker 1: I would be leaving my spirit in prison. So you know,
Speaker 1: I still tall. I did whatever I had to do.
Speaker 1: Um you know, I shook it up many many many
Speaker 1: times with many men, and and I'm and I'm here,
Speaker 1: and I'm here to show it with all my scars,
Speaker 1: bro Blessed. I mean, that's that's the transition that we
Speaker 1: we like to present the people, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because they hear there, they hear gangster chronicles, and they
Speaker 1: feel like we want to advocate for all the negative
Speaker 1: ship that we that that that comes with that word.
Speaker 1: But like I tell people when we conversate with Needers
Speaker 1: on this show, it's about the transition and coming out
Speaker 1: on the other side, you know, doing that. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of us was products of our environment of
Speaker 1: living that bluff life or gangster ship or selling dope
Speaker 1: or whatever. But to be able to stand here today,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, it's a lot of ship
Speaker 1: that motherfucker's don't damn. You ain't supposed to be here today.
Speaker 1: You give me, you're still supposed to be We're supposed
Speaker 1: to still be in prison for about twenty something more years,
Speaker 1: or we're supposed to be underground, you feeling, so to
Speaker 1: be able to show people that it's like myself, like you,
Speaker 1: like James, that we're able to come through the other
Speaker 1: side clean. You know what I'm saying. Uh, it's just
Speaker 1: the positive impact that we try to let people see
Speaker 1: on gangster chronicles and then we're able to be strong
Speaker 1: black men today and not be mislaid by pitfalls of
Speaker 1: the neighborhood. You know, because as young dudes, we all
Speaker 1: see that ship is glamorized of banging or representing or
Speaker 1: being like you said that knuckle, especially as a young
Speaker 1: motherfucker going to prison. You know, that's like earning your
Speaker 1: stripes right there. It is, it is, and then you
Speaker 1: know you're you're impressionable, and you know, you know like
Speaker 1: you you're impressionable. And then you know, you know one thing,
Speaker 1: like I'm not letting nobody hurt me. I'm not about
Speaker 1: to be you know, I was. I was. I thought
Speaker 1: I was somebody in the street, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I thought I had a reputation in the street. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna protect that in here. All means you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? And what what you you? You you live
Speaker 1: and you learn and the thing about growing is that
Speaker 1: you once you get an opportunity to live and you
Speaker 1: see how important life is. And then you see how
Speaker 1: you know, some of the things that you thought and
Speaker 1: some of the feelings that you had really wasn't really
Speaker 1: what it was. But you just needed that time. You
Speaker 1: just needed the opportunity to live a little so you
Speaker 1: can broad in your mind and you can level up,
Speaker 1: and you can you can look back on your on
Speaker 1: your younger years. You can look back in your teenage
Speaker 1: years and you can see that, man I was, I was.
Speaker 1: I was so destructive, you know. I you know, that
Speaker 1: really wasn't the right way to go. And you know
Speaker 1: so now when you you know, like myself, I got
Speaker 1: an eighteen ye old son, So now I was imprisoned
Speaker 1: by the time I was an eighteen you know. So
Speaker 1: I because of my experience, I can better, you know,
Speaker 1: got him because I know the pitfalls. I understand what
Speaker 1: it what it feels like to be a young teenage
Speaker 1: black male trying to find yourself, you know. And he
Speaker 1: got it way easier than I did. So you know,
Speaker 1: it gives me that much more of an inspiration to
Speaker 1: be to be here and and and to maintain what
Speaker 1: I'm doing and keep it pushing. Bro. Yeah, it's especially
Speaker 1: in hip hop man, because what I've been seeing over
Speaker 1: the this treeing over like the last teen years, man,
Speaker 1: and where you got a whole lot of talented young
Speaker 1: artists that's going to prison. Like you just had Bobby's
Speaker 1: murder on your show. You know, he had tied his career.
Speaker 1: He got this big gass record that don't took off,
Speaker 1: and he couldn't even enjoy the fruits of his labor.
Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure the Ricord company could have posted
Speaker 1: a bill for this nigga did something for what they
Speaker 1: don't do ship. They kind of turned their back on
Speaker 1: him and then profited off all the chaos. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Why do that? Dumb? Why do that?
Speaker 1: I think if if if you turn yourself, you start
Speaker 1: doing wrap and then you're good at it, and then
Speaker 1: you go in the street. Just like you said earlier,
Speaker 1: you can't do both. You can't be a gangster and
Speaker 1: and wrap it at the same time. Do what you
Speaker 1: do and and now you got an opportunity to leave
Speaker 1: that ship alone. So that's when we should know. Okay,
Speaker 1: I got a bag up from your fellas, and everybody
Speaker 1: that's in your corner should should have your back at
Speaker 1: that time when you try to transition from a gangster
Speaker 1: to to wrapping to make money, So why go belly
Speaker 1: mana jail that that only enhanced how he think? So
Speaker 1: you think they should have left the young brother and
Speaker 1: then they did well, well, well, well, well, not to
Speaker 1: cut you off, but specific to bothering them situation, A
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of what was going on with
Speaker 1: them was that they they had already had issues and
Speaker 1: it was already you know, um underinvestigation way before he
Speaker 1: even popped off. So you know, it was a likely
Speaker 1: like a you know, a likely chance that he was
Speaker 1: already gonna be on that path to go to go
Speaker 1: to prison anyway, because they was already on him. I
Speaker 1: think the issue is is when artists have the opportunity
Speaker 1: to become artists to get money to you know, to
Speaker 1: to to feed their families, and then become criminals later,
Speaker 1: that is hustling backwards. Because I always felt like, you know,
Speaker 1: we was in the street not because we wanted to be,
Speaker 1: because we adapted to whatever whatever environment was. If you
Speaker 1: speak to any any any real dude you know that's
Speaker 1: actually really be active in the streeting it, whether he
Speaker 1: and his late twenties or early thirties. He don't really
Speaker 1: want to be there. He don't really want to be there,
Speaker 1: Like like we did what we had to do because
Speaker 1: we felt we adapted to our environment. We became savage
Speaker 1: because that was a response to our environment. Like how
Speaker 1: do you how do you get an opportunity to become
Speaker 1: a star and then become a criminal later on? Like that,
Speaker 1: to me, it is kind of productive. That ain't really
Speaker 1: what it was because you had every opportunity to be
Speaker 1: what you say you is now prior to that, and
Speaker 1: he wasn't participate, you know. So I think that that's
Speaker 1: with the with the differences is when we see a
Speaker 1: lot of these young dudes become something that they really
Speaker 1: wasn't laid on. Yeah, you see it all day like um,
Speaker 1: and that's more the thing like you said, Bobby, And
Speaker 1: then was in the streets and I know a lot.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty tapped me in out this, so I know
Speaker 1: they was already doing their thing because Glasses was telling
Speaker 1: me about them litt niggas. I managed Glasses Malone and
Speaker 1: he was telling me about them little nigga's way before
Speaker 1: they pop thought and he was going out there messing
Speaker 1: with him and stuff. So my My thing is this, Um,
Speaker 1: I see a lot of cats out here. Now. My
Speaker 1: problem is with the guys that make it then decide
Speaker 1: to come then decide, oh, I'm gonna beat this gamester.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get jumped in and I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: to the coast. You see these cats all the time,
Speaker 1: come out here and get caught up in that ship.
Speaker 1: They get caught up in the game ship. They come
Speaker 1: out here and they get on with a bunch of
Speaker 1: niggas that really ain't working with them like that. But
Speaker 1: they got money and they got some influence, and before
Speaker 1: you know what, they're getting their cribs broken too, and
Speaker 1: ship and all the little funny ships start happening and everything. Um,
Speaker 1: do you ever try to holler at some of these
Speaker 1: niggas mainly wanta tell them, man, look you're hustling backwards.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know you gotta you gotta be careful
Speaker 1: you know how you give your advice, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, because you don't. You always want to maintain
Speaker 1: a respect level. You know, you you just can't be
Speaker 1: the nigga just running around passing on advice because then
Speaker 1: you're just like you know, niggas could see that as
Speaker 1: you being just too preachy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But for the ones that I actually have relationships with,
Speaker 1: for the ones that you know that we actually call
Speaker 1: each other and we actually you don't spend time around
Speaker 1: each other, you know. Of course, we get into conversations
Speaker 1: where you know, I try to tell them that the
Speaker 1: opportunity is greater than the problem, and I try to
Speaker 1: give them life lessons and stuff like that. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think the biggest thing you know, in talking
Speaker 1: to talking to the big broke James all the time,
Speaker 1: and just different castes. I know, Man, it seems like
Speaker 1: the hardest part man, for a guy that's come out
Speaker 1: of prisoners, standing out of prison. Indeed, indeed, I got
Speaker 1: a book, um that I'm coming out with soon. Um
Speaker 1: it should have been out. I've been working on this
Speaker 1: but for so long. You know. It's called the Auto Freedom.
Speaker 1: And what you just said is a testament to you know, um,
Speaker 1: something that a lot of people not talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: the conversation about prison reform and reforming you know, repealing
Speaker 1: laws and all that is is is a great thing,
Speaker 1: but there's there's also the conversation that I don't feel
Speaker 1: like we're havn't enough, and that's the conversation of all
Speaker 1: dudes are actually not knowing what to do when they
Speaker 1: get back, you understand, and not having as many options,
Speaker 1: not having so many opportunities, And a lot of it
Speaker 1: starts with the way you're thinking, you know. So I
Speaker 1: put together a book, you know, it's sort of like
Speaker 1: my version of a of a forty eight Laws of power,
Speaker 1: you know, but it's based it's me speaking to my
Speaker 1: street niggas and my niggas that just you know, either
Speaker 1: it just came home or was about to come home,
Speaker 1: and it's my philosophy and my views on on on
Speaker 1: the steps that I feel like should be taken or
Speaker 1: could be taken to maintain your freedom. You know, because
Speaker 1: before you can be successful at any anything, whether it's
Speaker 1: some rap shit or anything to do with entertainment or
Speaker 1: whatever it is, you gotta be successful at being free.
Speaker 1: So a lot of that start with the way you think,
Speaker 1: and the way you think about your moves, and where
Speaker 1: you think about your freedom, and the way you're position yourself.
Speaker 1: You know, it's going to determine how you how you
Speaker 1: you know, how you how you turn out because how
Speaker 1: many of us have been been watching dudes go to
Speaker 1: prison for the last twenty years or whatever, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, and he just can't get it right. So, um,
Speaker 1: that's something that I that I'm that I'm coming out
Speaker 1: with soon. Well, it's almost designed for him not to
Speaker 1: get it right. You figured. You get a cat that
Speaker 1: comes home, you know, especially the homies that's been in
Speaker 1: for ten or more years, even five years, you come out,
Speaker 1: it's a whole different motherfucking world you're behind. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: what makes you makes you wake up? It's not even
Speaker 1: that it is I call a penitentiary propaganda. Uh. You
Speaker 1: make a lot of a lot of this. You make
Speaker 1: a lot of I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: that when you're in the penitentiary or ain't coming back
Speaker 1: here no more. You make a lot of promises to yourself.
Speaker 1: But when you smell the different air, when you smell freedom,
Speaker 1: you you're going right back to where you came from.
Speaker 1: And a lot of us don't pay attention. Before I
Speaker 1: walk out of this door, I've really got to make
Speaker 1: this decision and where I'm gonna go this way out
Speaker 1: that way. Nine times out of the time we are
Speaker 1: thinking like that because I didn't did through years sitting down.
Speaker 1: The first thing I want to do is go get
Speaker 1: up in something next, gonna hang with the homies that
Speaker 1: everybody know them out. Now once you do that, everybody
Speaker 1: coming to you on the homies. Just get out of
Speaker 1: the prison. Now you feel like that penitentiary celebrity. You
Speaker 1: feel me now out Now you're hanging and before you
Speaker 1: know it, you can't. You can't grab that grip again
Speaker 1: and saying, Okay, damn, I'm supposed to be following protocol
Speaker 1: and I said I was gonna do this and do that.
Speaker 1: You ain't thinking like that. No more penitentiary propaganda. Thinking
Speaker 1: about one thing. But you've got something else on your mind,
Speaker 1: and that's the homies, that's the hood, that's the chicks.
Speaker 1: Now you get somebody to lace you with a little
Speaker 1: something something here, This will hold you over. Now you
Speaker 1: all you you're back in the streets. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And before you knew it, you're on the violation.
Speaker 1: Now you're down. That propaganda is coming right back. Hear you.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have did this. When I come home after
Speaker 1: this year two years, I ain't gonna do this. And
Speaker 1: then you find yourself right back in the same ship.
Speaker 1: So it's pretty much lying to yourself while we're in prison,
Speaker 1: and then when we get out of prison, we're so
Speaker 1: happy to be free, we go right back to the
Speaker 1: same bullshit. So being in prison, you gotta be honest
Speaker 1: with yourself, and you gotta know where you want to
Speaker 1: go once that gate open and they give you that
Speaker 1: little money to walk out of there. I've seen it done,
Speaker 1: I've done it. I've been out of prison since the
Speaker 1: night and haven't seen one since. So I know, and
Speaker 1: I knew, and no female gonna bring me back to prison,
Speaker 1: and I ain't gonna let the homies bring me back
Speaker 1: to prison because there's nothing in there. Once the CAVI.
Speaker 1: Once you realize that, I can't nobody send you back
Speaker 1: to prison but yourself. M yeah, because once once you
Speaker 1: realize the kind of the cards that stacked again, the
Speaker 1: deck is stacked against you anyway, because you figured you
Speaker 1: get a nigger to come home, right, he got every
Speaker 1: intention he gonna get back with his baby mom's. He
Speaker 1: gonna go find him a job. He gonna get him
Speaker 1: in this little job. Right. You gotta lie on the
Speaker 1: application because they ask you, have you ever been a
Speaker 1: felon and you know, so you you haven't been told
Speaker 1: no so many times, you finally say, fucking I'm gonna
Speaker 1: putting on this motherfuckering See what happened. So you're working
Speaker 1: at the job, you get you a little gig. You're
Speaker 1: there for two or three months, and they come back
Speaker 1: and say, hey, um, yeah, your background check done, came
Speaker 1: back funked up. You gotta go. So you're doing this
Speaker 1: two or three times. You get frustrated because you gotta
Speaker 1: broad at home and she's been holding you down, probably
Speaker 1: sending your commissaries ship all this time. So now you're
Speaker 1: at home. You ain't became nothing but another bill for
Speaker 1: this woman. At this point, she's taking care of the kids,
Speaker 1: she's taking care of this you know. Now she's taking
Speaker 1: care of you. So it's like, you gonna go do
Speaker 1: whatever the hell you gotta go do. You gonna have
Speaker 1: to Hony frank you a sack. You're gonna go do
Speaker 1: what you gotta do. The next thing you know, you're
Speaker 1: back in there. It's almost like the whole probation ship,
Speaker 1: and we don't talk about that a whole bunch of times,
Speaker 1: and this show it's like a big trick bag Wow,
Speaker 1: that's what that's Well, you gotta look at it though.
Speaker 1: You know when you come home the peniti you're still
Speaker 1: gonna wear sooner or later. Yeah, it's gonna be sucking
Speaker 1: her like you because your fresh out. Um, she's gonna
Speaker 1: get tired of that and she's gonna be used to it,
Speaker 1: so she goes back to the same ship she's doing.
Speaker 1: Who want to take care of her own as man?
Speaker 1: And so we gotta figure out us being black people.
Speaker 1: We don't want to work at taco bit. We ain't
Speaker 1: gonna work at the bullshit. That's a job. Not thinking
Speaker 1: I'm just coming from the penitentiary. I'm gonna take whatever
Speaker 1: the funk I can get and I'm wanting them cats.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that, that and that if you come
Speaker 1: from that the hood, like yeah, I got a name
Speaker 1: and you're supposed to be something ship, So you're resulting
Speaker 1: in the fun that something to go back to the exactly,
Speaker 1: come on, that's what you want to go back to.
Speaker 1: So coming home and then trying to do security being
Speaker 1: a security guard at at Walmart at night are somewhere
Speaker 1: like that. It's only gonna last ninety days because you've
Speaker 1: got a record and I was lucky because here comes
Speaker 1: should you know what I'm saying. They ain't gotta they
Speaker 1: ain't gotta put on the uniform, but the uniform I
Speaker 1: got exactly my my my representation from the neighborhood is
Speaker 1: my application. That's verified. I ain't have to fill out
Speaker 1: ship and you don't have to do too much of nothing.
Speaker 1: But then that type of ship to send you back
Speaker 1: to the penitentiary because going into the industry on the
Speaker 1: on the outside of it, I'm not a rapper, just
Speaker 1: just a force. You know what I'm saying, can send
Speaker 1: you back to prison. But no, if if, if, if
Speaker 1: it's here in humantality, I'm not going back to prison,
Speaker 1: and I can't let down when you catch send me
Speaker 1: back to prison. Then that that makes you above the
Speaker 1: rest of them, because this is where everybody thinks we're
Speaker 1: supposed to go. I'm not following you there. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and speaking of you know, speaking of Sugar and all
Speaker 1: of them, Man, you got a solid reputation. I got
Speaker 1: a whole bunch, we got a whole bunch of mutual
Speaker 1: homies and stuff. And I told him, I said, hey, man,
Speaker 1: we go how that. Mainly it was like that's gonna
Speaker 1: be a good dude, y'all show, you know, talking him
Speaker 1: about this net and everything. What do you feel about
Speaker 1: the rise of the gangs in New York? Not that
Speaker 1: you gotta you know, I ain't necessarily an opinion, But
Speaker 1: that's kind of crazy, ain't it. Yeah? You see, it
Speaker 1: started in prison. I was in prison when it started,
Speaker 1: and I understood why it was starting, you know, Um,
Speaker 1: you know it was it was a time when um,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of the Hispanic brothers, you know,
Speaker 1: they was ganged up and you know it was it was,
Speaker 1: it was it was an error where you know it
Speaker 1: was it was it was more or less kind of
Speaker 1: dumb against blacks and we wasn't unified. So um, for
Speaker 1: my understanding, you know, and Cet, a couple of brothers
Speaker 1: got together and was just like, Yo, we're gonna, we're gonna,
Speaker 1: we're gonna ban together and and that's that was the
Speaker 1: start of the Bloods and it and it became what
Speaker 1: it became. So I understood what it what it was for.
Speaker 1: And you know that that unity that that was needed
Speaker 1: in that era. Um, you know, it became, it became
Speaker 1: what it became. You know. I never I never was
Speaker 1: involved with the gangs, because that's not the ver I
Speaker 1: really come from, you know. Um, I'm just maybe a
Speaker 1: couple of years before that, you know, and it was
Speaker 1: it was cool to be able to stand on your
Speaker 1: own and have your name on your own and not
Speaker 1: need nobody or not, you know, not go to jail
Speaker 1: and become this or become that. You know. So, uh,
Speaker 1: it is what it is right now, bro, Like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I wish it was a lot
Speaker 1: more leadership though, you know, I wish, you know, especially
Speaker 1: in my part of town. Like I wish it was
Speaker 1: a lot more solid leadership, you know, because there's a
Speaker 1: lot of things that I feel like they can do. Uh,
Speaker 1: and it could be more more useful doing, you know,
Speaker 1: if it was if the leadership was better. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel that, man. And that's I think that's all around
Speaker 1: the country, dog because these you know, these these young niggers, man,
Speaker 1: they kind of think different, not kind of they think different.
Speaker 1: I think they do before they think. You feel what
Speaker 1: I'm in And when you don't have that big homie
Speaker 1: kind of leading you, it ain't numb but destruction and
Speaker 1: death to fund him, guarantee. But that's right. See, we
Speaker 1: was young niggas, and we didn't. We didn't, we didn't
Speaker 1: think you know, So I understand that aspect of it,
Speaker 1: you know, but when nowadays, when it when the when
Speaker 1: the big homie is not is not even as smart
Speaker 1: or as intelligent as the as the little homies, then
Speaker 1: what what do you have? So when your big homie
Speaker 1: is never never amounted to anything, it's never you know, uh,
Speaker 1: surpassed things in life or is not experienced enough in life,
Speaker 1: then then all you're gonna have is destruction, you know,
Speaker 1: And all he's been doing all his life is spinning
Speaker 1: in destructing, then that's all he gonna So he's gonna
Speaker 1: get food too, so he's gonna give birth to the
Speaker 1: same thing. Yeah, it's the blind leading the blind. And
Speaker 1: you know, really with the aspect because you know, like
Speaker 1: I said, we are always young niggas. At one time
Speaker 1: and as far as we was on the West Coast,
Speaker 1: we didn't have you know what you would call that
Speaker 1: that that leader structure in the games and ship. I mean,
Speaker 1: even though we were all together, it was like you know,
Speaker 1: you stand on your own. Even though we watched each
Speaker 1: other back and we together ship, we didn't have like
Speaker 1: just one main motherfucker controlling or structuralized in the neighborhood game.
Speaker 1: So I think as far as we were on the
Speaker 1: West Coast, it was different from us, way different. We
Speaker 1: had big homies. You're gonna always have big homies because
Speaker 1: you you got those guys, you followed us older than you.
Speaker 1: But other than that, we never had somebody to shake,
Speaker 1: y'all gonna go over here, y'all this now, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: having that. Some neighborhoods, some neighborhoods did, but like my neighborhood,
Speaker 1: we didn't have that. Like the markets nuns of of yesteryear,
Speaker 1: back in the days, they were leaders. They were the
Speaker 1: ones that put certain things together for their neighborhoods, and
Speaker 1: and a lot of cats followed followed that. But in
Speaker 1: my neighborhood, we didn't have the O G that's that's
Speaker 1: putting the ship together. The majority of our ogs work
Speaker 1: on some other ship going back and forth to prison
Speaker 1: just on GP. Couldn't even give that number back, uh
Speaker 1: drugs or some ship like that, robbery ship like that.
Speaker 1: They wasn't sitting on the block the homies y'all sucking up, y'all.
Speaker 1: I didn't have that, So I didn't look at the
Speaker 1: big homies as I need to go get at these dudes,
Speaker 1: or don't do this because it's repercussion to it. I
Speaker 1: did what I wanted to do how I wanted to
Speaker 1: do it, and I had catch that ran with me
Speaker 1: and we put ship together. So we never had a leader.
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's whether you have a leader
Speaker 1: or whatever title these you know people use. Eight seventeen
Speaker 1: years old, you can think for yourself, and a lot
Speaker 1: of cats don't think for theirself. They think they have
Speaker 1: to follow. Just like you said you wouldn't you weren't
Speaker 1: part of a game you was doing. You You got
Speaker 1: your reputation off of you. I called that gangster by
Speaker 1: nature and not by choice, because you found your own way.
Speaker 1: You stood up and and did you and people recognize
Speaker 1: you for you, not for the hood. But they recognize
Speaker 1: you'll get down. So that's all that is. Man is
Speaker 1: I don't need a title to to fit in or
Speaker 1: feel like I'm part of the group. Every man needs
Speaker 1: to think for herself, but some some some neighborhoods they don't.
Speaker 1: Some neighborhoods do. And I would say our interpretation of
Speaker 1: l A we always kind of thought it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, because the word even even the word big
Speaker 1: homie comes from there, right mistaken. Um, It's like you
Speaker 1: got the little homies at the big homies, and the
Speaker 1: big homies is basically the ones that's controlling everything depending
Speaker 1: on what said or what hood you know. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna tell you a big thing to fun.
Speaker 1: The big homies up all over the country was cracky,
Speaker 1: you know, eighty five through motherfuckering the early nineties and ships.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of dudes went from you know,
Speaker 1: because you know, you gotta look at it like this.
Speaker 1: In eight eight eight, you know, smoking the Primo were
Speaker 1: doing some blow with some ballership. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It was some ballers ship. You know, you see three
Speaker 1: you feel what I'm saying. That was some baller ship.
Speaker 1: You know. You had niggas who had the pinky rings.
Speaker 1: They you know, hit the one of these and everything was.
Speaker 1: We started looking because we was all drug you know,
Speaker 1: five six niggas rushing in the car all that ship.
Speaker 1: So you got body was doing Sherman ships, niggas way
Speaker 1: on all that he's just doing seventy yeah the sermon,
Speaker 1: you know, so so drugs pretty much sucked up up.
Speaker 1: You know, drugs made a whole bunch of niggas rich.
Speaker 1: It got a whole bunch of niggas in the penitentiary,
Speaker 1: and destroyed a whole bunch of motherfucking lives, and destroyed
Speaker 1: a lot of the big homies and destroyed the structure
Speaker 1: in the hood. But it only affects you if you
Speaker 1: follow that, if you follow up one of those guylines,
Speaker 1: then you ain't gonna want to do ship. You ain't
Speaker 1: gonna want to be productive. You ain't gonna do it,
Speaker 1: you feel me, So none of that shoudn't even matter.
Speaker 1: People just gotta look at it like I'm doing this.
Speaker 1: I gotta get down, don't buy no dope and didn't
Speaker 1: know you finished smoke that ship? You feel me, You
Speaker 1: defeat the purpose. But you know the thing is, everybody
Speaker 1: started out. I'll never funk with that ship. But I
Speaker 1: should see my older homeboys smoking in premos. A lot
Speaker 1: of them, dudes, they were smoking the primos. Eventually that
Speaker 1: a premo was as a joint lace with some crack,
Speaker 1: some yeah, with some coke. Ain't in the premre mode.
Speaker 1: We call that ship a wooly yeah. So that's what
Speaker 1: Woutane Clean was talking about them songs. That's because that's
Speaker 1: the one that that Wouly ship. Yeah Smoka woa, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, And so that funked up a lot of
Speaker 1: motherfucker's on the load. And you know, one of the
Speaker 1: questions I want to ask you, and you a guy
Speaker 1: that's qualified to answer this. You coming from the place
Speaker 1: that you come from, man, and you first getting this
Speaker 1: recording industry, one of the most fakest motherfucking businesses in
Speaker 1: the world. Did the ship kind of like throw you
Speaker 1: for a loop a little bit? It did because I
Speaker 1: thought they wanted to see some real ship. So I
Speaker 1: started putting hands on that and I said and it
Speaker 1: was like, oh, you really did that. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you ain't want to see that. I thought that this
Speaker 1: is what y'all, This is what y'all wanted. You wanted
Speaker 1: the real thing, right, you wanted the genuine article, right,
Speaker 1: you know. But that's not it's a goodness from exact,
Speaker 1: you know, because it's a lot of mentality was wrong.
Speaker 1: I was like, all these niggas is fake. We're gonna
Speaker 1: come in the game and just over aggressive. Just my
Speaker 1: mentality was long, and I wish somebody would have told me,
Speaker 1: really explained to me that this was really just a
Speaker 1: business and it was really just about images, and it
Speaker 1: was really about marketing exactly. It's just it's just what
Speaker 1: it is. It's just that because you because when you
Speaker 1: do some real ship and you and we scared your
Speaker 1: and we scared your money away, your motherfucker's will be
Speaker 1: ready to cancel you like it ain't ship, Like oh god, damn,
Speaker 1: this motherfucker is a real nigger. This motherfucker. They liked
Speaker 1: to pretend ship and they like the facade of what
Speaker 1: it looks like. But when they run into a motherfucker
Speaker 1: who were really running and kicking your no one pull
Speaker 1: a pistol on and slapped the ship out of motherfucker,
Speaker 1: they get no good. They back then, but then they
Speaker 1: still want to make money off the ship. Well, they're
Speaker 1: gonna make money off you as long as you you
Speaker 1: You you're valuable and you gotta always have some value,
Speaker 1: you know. But the thing is you, you you can
Speaker 1: mess up a lot of your opportunities not knowing. So
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of me bumping my head in the industry was
Speaker 1: because I was coming directly off the streets I was.
Speaker 1: I was coming from Prisident and I was from prisoner.
Speaker 1: I went back to the street, and it was just like,
Speaker 1: we're coming right out of the street right into the industry.
Speaker 1: So we don't have the game or we don't have
Speaker 1: nobody to really say, yo, look, let me sit down
Speaker 1: and really give you the game for what it really is.
Speaker 1: Because you you you you're intelligent, but you need to
Speaker 1: just shop in a couple other things. And you know,
Speaker 1: had I known that then, I would I would uh,
Speaker 1: I would not have cut off some of my opportunities early,
Speaker 1: you know. But I figured it out, you know, as
Speaker 1: time went on. You know, it's it's it's just a
Speaker 1: game man, It's it's marking in you know, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a business bro. Oh yeah, it's definitely a businessman.
Speaker 1: And I think it kicks, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: some talented dudes, man, some talented brothers that street and
Speaker 1: came in the ship and really just lost their mind
Speaker 1: because it wasn't what they thought it was and they
Speaker 1: wound up not being able to progress, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's like you just can't. It's so funny. And I
Speaker 1: told somebody that cats like the Takashi six nine. They
Speaker 1: are producted all the bullshit. They are product of all
Speaker 1: the bullshit. That's the ship that got created by the industry, man,
Speaker 1: because you figure these kids seen that. That's the biggest
Speaker 1: thing though, man, Because I see a lot of people
Speaker 1: coming to this thing, man, and it ain't what they
Speaker 1: thought it was, and they get disappointed because they meet
Speaker 1: niggas that they thought was that. Dude, and you meet
Speaker 1: them and you're like, damn, I'm disappointed, because yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: it is. And I feel like us being niggers though
Speaker 1: a lot of times we were our heart and our
Speaker 1: emotions on our sleeves and it wasn't really designed for us.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you, for me, the moment that
Speaker 1: I stopped, I stopped taking things personal is the moment
Speaker 1: I started to do better. The moment when I figured
Speaker 1: out that that the industry and the people that that
Speaker 1: that inhabited are not like me, and they don't have
Speaker 1: the same values, they don't have the same preciples, they
Speaker 1: don't have the same integrity me and I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: offended all the time because they're gonna always do things
Speaker 1: and offend me. The minute that I stopped taking it
Speaker 1: personal is the is the minute that I I was
Speaker 1: able to progress a lot more because I was like,
Speaker 1: it took I took it, took the emotion out of everything,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't women you know my emotions. I was
Speaker 1: like every time somebody said that day was gonna call
Speaker 1: me and didn't call me back, or you know, stop
Speaker 1: answering their phone. Those things drive street is crazy. Like
Speaker 1: if we can't take that because we did, trust me,
Speaker 1: trust me, because I'm gonna tell you we do with
Speaker 1: and personally we did with I, work we did with Nigga.
Speaker 1: Not hitting you back will make you want to go
Speaker 1: slap the ship out of there exactly. And if it's
Speaker 1: on some music ship, you gotta be just like you
Speaker 1: know something, fuck it, let me keep you pushing the ship.
Speaker 1: Because this is I don't understand the concept of where
Speaker 1: I'm at with Nigga. Goddamn, you can't even hit me
Speaker 1: back or the respect that even just answering the phone call,
Speaker 1: especially I got to do with it. In this business,
Speaker 1: you feel when they don't come from the same walks
Speaker 1: of life you come from. This motherfucker probably sitting at
Speaker 1: his desk every day. You know what, I'm saying on
Speaker 1: some front, ship or people don't even some some people
Speaker 1: work their words not even important to them. So so
Speaker 1: certain things that's important to you, that's important to us,
Speaker 1: they don't have that same value system. So then you
Speaker 1: you gotta measure your expectations on them. I can't expect
Speaker 1: him to to to to put value in his word
Speaker 1: when he wasn't raised to do so. If he was
Speaker 1: comfortable or grew up and telling lies or being deceitful
Speaker 1: and treacherous to people was the way that he was raised,
Speaker 1: and that's where he is. And we in the industry
Speaker 1: and in the game, it's full of that, you know.
Speaker 1: So like I said, like me, I had to start
Speaker 1: to measure my my expectations because if I didn't, then
Speaker 1: it is driving crazy. You want to you can't it
Speaker 1: sound crazy on everything? Oh yeah, for sure. And one
Speaker 1: of my biggest tasks. That's what I had to tell
Speaker 1: big bro James. Right when we first started doing this ship.
Speaker 1: You know, you get a lot of people that call you,
Speaker 1: they bring up ideas and ship, you get excited, you
Speaker 1: get ready, and the motherfucker's disappear. I was used to
Speaker 1: that stuff me, you know, working for the publishing company
Speaker 1: and just being management to being an industry. You know,
Speaker 1: somebody tell me something, I don't get excited to the
Speaker 1: check come and in some cases until that motherfucker clear,
Speaker 1: because I don't got a bunch of bounce and the
Speaker 1: ass checks before two. And this ship, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, just ship. You know, it's like motherfucker's scheming
Speaker 1: and ship. But you can't take it personal, bro, because
Speaker 1: that's just what they were all else. And the moment
Speaker 1: you put your hands on one of them, Nigga's dog
Speaker 1: will say something about it. The next thing you know,
Speaker 1: you're really not jumping off no more, like that shocked
Speaker 1: the ship out of this motherfucking get it over. Won't
Speaker 1: lie to me no more. Yeah, and I don't even
Speaker 1: think it's I don't even think it's so much line.
Speaker 1: Hold on one second, where's that feedback coming from? Close
Speaker 1: the door together? He got two phones together, My bad
Speaker 1: man nephew in here whiling out. Yeah, he's doing his
Speaker 1: mother for the thing. But that that's the thing. Man.
Speaker 1: You can't take none of this ship personal. You won't
Speaker 1: have nothing going on because I know around the time
Speaker 1: that she was doing your thing, you had a reputation
Speaker 1: for slapping the shout of niggas, damn, and that's what
Speaker 1: we was here for. Hold on, bro, I'm sorry you
Speaker 1: got them. I mean that's what you're going, that's what's
Speaker 1: gonna do. I mean, like I said, if you come
Speaker 1: from some certain walks of life, I mean you're not
Speaker 1: You're not gonna put up with certain ships. Man from
Speaker 1: Novody and especially in this this game of music and entertainment,
Speaker 1: niggas be on some funny ship sometimes and like I said,
Speaker 1: it just be too many niggas perpetrating to be real
Speaker 1: beyond phone face ship. And sometimes you can't even hold
Speaker 1: that ship back. Then your your the natural self come
Speaker 1: out and man, I just gotta check nigga. I just
Speaker 1: have to because this ship is uncalled for. Some niggas
Speaker 1: checked sometimes though, Yeah, for real. And you can answer
Speaker 1: this if you want, too, mainly or nothing. Who was
Speaker 1: the nigga in the industry that just disappointed you the most?
Speaker 1: And you met this nigga you couldn't wait the meeting
Speaker 1: on when you met him, he was like this motherfucker WIENI. Um,
Speaker 1: that's that's happened many times. Um, It's it's too it's
Speaker 1: too there's too many of the names. Specifically, it's it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's the saying that you shouldn't meet your idols, Bro,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't meet your heroes or because they never add
Speaker 1: up to what you thought that there was gonna be,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's why mostique is the
Speaker 1: greatest thing. You know, you seem close with you really
Speaker 1: a fall so you know, um, yeah that happened many
Speaker 1: times though, Bro, Like, I'm like, this nigga is really
Speaker 1: a bird like bird? Yeah, that's bird that that that's
Speaker 1: New York explained. That's New York explained the bird a
Speaker 1: bird bird as laking. Yeah, you know what the thing
Speaker 1: is though it's worth the opposite for me too. Sometimes
Speaker 1: sometimes the niggas I thought was when these I meet
Speaker 1: these niggas and were somewhere and track up on this
Speaker 1: nigga really with the business that happened to Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: he just don't talk about it like that. And that's
Speaker 1: what I noticed. The dudes that don't put up that
Speaker 1: persona that's cool and everything, Like when you see you,
Speaker 1: you ain't out that wilding. Now you're cool, you're personal,
Speaker 1: but you're a nice guy until you start some bullshit. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean that's because you know when you when you are,
Speaker 1: when you're comfortable with who you are, you don't gotta
Speaker 1: project something else. You know, you know you do, you smile,
Speaker 1: you laugh, you you know, you're humble, you know, you're
Speaker 1: just comfortable in your skin as a man. You know
Speaker 1: a lot of times, you know, you know how this
Speaker 1: is is always a nigger. That's that's that's that's popping
Speaker 1: the hardest or ice cream and the strongest. He's probably
Speaker 1: the weakest. Well, I tell you, I tell you this.
Speaker 1: I give props to the niggas where every thing I
Speaker 1: thought he was. I was a Ghetto Boys fan coming up,
Speaker 1: big Ghetto Boys fan. Willie motherfucking D is the nigger
Speaker 1: on the records and the nigg in person, cool brother,
Speaker 1: cool nigga. I don't meant a whole bunch of cats
Speaker 1: like that. There's just like everything you thought they was
Speaker 1: gonna be. And I actually saw him put hands when
Speaker 1: I nick in Texas one time at a restaurant. Willie
Speaker 1: D got hands, you know, So he was everything I
Speaker 1: thought I was. Man and I'll miss the dudes. It's
Speaker 1: like disappointment. I'm like you, I'm I'm I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get a political hands. It's been so many I choose
Speaker 1: not to name him, you know, but you know, let's
Speaker 1: come back to this music ship, Dog, because you would,
Speaker 1: dude that wasn't supposed to get what you got. You know,
Speaker 1: you came out and you put out a big ass
Speaker 1: motherfucking record. You came with the hater record that had
Speaker 1: the clost banging, because that was a big record out
Speaker 1: here on the West Coast, Dog, I had, I had
Speaker 1: my biggest record is only Above? Oh yeah, yeah, all
Speaker 1: was bigger? Yeah of course, yeah, All the Above was
Speaker 1: your biggest record. But they funk with you out here though, Dog, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I spent I'm I'm in and out of l A
Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah for sure, Man, when you make
Speaker 1: sure the next time you go out here, we could
Speaker 1: do this in person. Yeah. So it's yeah, it's certain
Speaker 1: niggas that come into the industry. Like I said, I
Speaker 1: don't listen to a lot of motherfucker's, but you know,
Speaker 1: may know you as a motherfucker I listened to when
Speaker 1: you first hit the scene. You know, I never listened.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't like to listen to new
Speaker 1: ship because it don't be that that feeling of the
Speaker 1: yester years of ship while I came from But you
Speaker 1: you had often music like side I funk with a
Speaker 1: lot of New York niggas and they're funking with New
Speaker 1: York for a long time, shout out, want to get
Speaker 1: pret um. But you had that music, and you was
Speaker 1: one nigga that we out here on the West Coast
Speaker 1: gravitating it too, because you came from the same type
Speaker 1: of walks of life. Get me so expect my nag. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. And one thing I want to touch you onto.
Speaker 1: You got a podcast, man, it's kind of popping, man. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Getchen talk man. We're doing very well. Yeah man, y'all
Speaker 1: pee that out too. Yeah, you got a lot of
Speaker 1: good You got a lot of new content on their Yeah,
Speaker 1: it up on that motherfuck Yeah definitely, thank you man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: y'all be cracking up over there, because I was talking
Speaker 1: to Chris Morrow about you. Huh. He loved him something
Speaker 1: he was talking, but he was talking about you. Man.
Speaker 1: He thinks very highly that your dog definitely think the
Speaker 1: thing very highly. Man. So what's next, dog, Like, if
Speaker 1: we're getting some more records, like what's definitely? Man, I
Speaker 1: just I just dropped the project and UM and uh
Speaker 1: in December, but I've been holding some records though. Um
Speaker 1: I got a whole project Gune. I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: lock in this distribution and we're just gonna keep pushing, man.
Speaker 1: Um I'll be back on the West Coast and finished
Speaker 1: this movie that we were shooting on the West Coast
Speaker 1: or l A in about two weeks. You know, we
Speaker 1: got the book coming, you know, more podcasts coming, and
Speaker 1: you know we're gonna keep We're gonna keep just giving
Speaker 1: you every every part of me, just in different components now.
Speaker 1: So now we ain't just doing music before. So now
Speaker 1: you know we're hustling on different different angles. Well that
Speaker 1: that that's where the game that kind of went to. Man,
Speaker 1: you can't just do music no more. It's like music
Speaker 1: don't almost became just like the calling card for all
Speaker 1: the other ship that you've got going on. You're almost
Speaker 1: like a media personality now, right, music component, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: got to just be a personality all across the all
Speaker 1: across the board. Now it's not just about you know,
Speaker 1: the music. And the thing about when you've got other
Speaker 1: components is that when you're making money from the other
Speaker 1: components that keeps the music pure, like you ain't gotta
Speaker 1: chase after trying to make a radio record or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, make the music pure and make the music
Speaker 1: for your fans. You know, you don't gotta you don't
Speaker 1: gotta try to be in the race, you know, you
Speaker 1: just you just you know, stick to your call, stick
Speaker 1: to your fan base, and just delivered to them. You
Speaker 1: know that, And you make sure we get them ricords, man,
Speaker 1: because I might as well break this news now, man,
Speaker 1: we just got picked up for nine and nine markets
Speaker 1: for our radio show. Man, wake your punk ass up,
Speaker 1: um to make sure we get the rigords. Dog. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that a media based and BDS too. Dog.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying something important. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You can get that one spining with us
Speaker 1: is go count nine times on there, you know, So
Speaker 1: make sure we get it. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: that we got real Nicks playing ricords, now, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what we're trying to do. We're trying to play some
Speaker 1: real ship. We ain't trying to play this phony ship.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we definitely need some good music and from
Speaker 1: from artists that we respect. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't know bullshit. Like I said, people nowadays can't
Speaker 1: take criticism with their music. That's what I tell motherfucker's
Speaker 1: every day. Let me ask you this. So when he
Speaker 1: can't make good music, we can't make goods. Can we
Speaker 1: make good music? Can a bird make good music? I
Speaker 1: don't know that. They probably they they ain't. They ain't
Speaker 1: want that lifestyle, so they can't make our good music. Well,
Speaker 1: you know this will about some phony ship, yea. And
Speaker 1: I mean they can talk about some stacks of money
Speaker 1: and pulling up in the Lamborghini and you know my
Speaker 1: chain this and my chain that make popping. But you
Speaker 1: know they ain't spent that realism about the hard walks
Speaker 1: of life and then they are struggling and how you
Speaker 1: had to come up and you know how you have
Speaker 1: to go to prison and walk this walk and walked
Speaker 1: his line to become the motherfucker you are to day.
Speaker 1: So our just can't really talk that talk. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you this, dog, and I don't want nobody
Speaker 1: out there don't go take my little clip and turn
Speaker 1: into steals on the this and such and such. Rick
Speaker 1: Ross makes incredible music, but that is the most phony ship.
Speaker 1: I don't never heard of my life. Dog. It's like
Speaker 1: it's like watching the movie Dog. It ain't nothing real
Speaker 1: about it, but it's great music though you can't take away. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like Rick Ross too. I love him. Ain't nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with him. This is what I'm saying. Wants you
Speaker 1: to hear me out. See James like he about to
Speaker 1: jump on me about this. Dear me out. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: this is this is this is this is steals a pi. Yeah.
Speaker 1: This is what I think though, And this is one
Speaker 1: of the things that and I think Ross is incredible, dude.
Speaker 1: And Ross actually a solid cat. That's the homely that's
Speaker 1: my nigga. But Ross said ship that you almost can't
Speaker 1: compete with it as an artist, you know when he
Speaker 1: talked about I'm with with the real Noriega. I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I'm selling a hundred keys a week and I'm doing
Speaker 1: this and that. Man, some of that ship is be
Speaker 1: kind of like overboard over the time. But that ain't
Speaker 1: for you to judge. I'm just I'm playing this me
Speaker 1: making my opinion. I ain't not gonna be success with that,
Speaker 1: all right. Let me ask you all the question. Man,
Speaker 1: Since rap being going on. Motherfucker's has been saying ship,
Speaker 1: and everybody knew that you ain't living that life. Everybody
Speaker 1: know you ain't working with Gandhi, you ain't never met
Speaker 1: the motherfucker. Now there you go questions. So that means
Speaker 1: a bird ass niked with an active imagination can But
Speaker 1: this is the whole point. There's dudes who write books, right,
Speaker 1: some dudes write fictional ship that ain't you whatever whatever,
Speaker 1: And that's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: you have to break it down entertainments in the fucking
Speaker 1: taming and that's what I'm saying, walk of life at
Speaker 1: you come from. I'm talking to strip some real ship
Speaker 1: to a nigga, you feel me. But other than that,
Speaker 1: you have to take it for entertainment. I'm like entertaining
Speaker 1: your fucking ask. And I can talk about it because
Speaker 1: the real noriaga and I can talk about a hundred
Speaker 1: key loos and dope and I could see what I
Speaker 1: watched from them, served or whatever. But you have to
Speaker 1: take it for what it is exactly. And that's why
Speaker 1: I said that. What I said was to prove a
Speaker 1: point because I actually with Rick Ross. Rick Ross makes
Speaker 1: great music has great production everything, but at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, this ship is entertainment, so it's only
Speaker 1: gonna beat. Everybody do a little embellish and I think
Speaker 1: just because it's sounds flying, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like the nigger to say I had twenty bitches in
Speaker 1: the bed of my toes. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: You're gonna say he didn't like you don't know about
Speaker 1: every day get down. So how do you know I
Speaker 1: get now, Yeah, exactly, I don't know. I didn't know
Speaker 1: the real Noriaga. Hey man, I'm just saying you got
Speaker 1: sometimes you gotta keeps you know. I'm saying that this
Speaker 1: with this, with this show for it to get good
Speaker 1: things out of ship. You know, I mean, I ain't
Speaker 1: see anything. May No, did I sound disrespectful when I
Speaker 1: see it? Then no, I don't think it was disrespecting.
Speaker 1: But it's it go back to what I was saying before. Though,
Speaker 1: like for us, like us coming from where we come from,
Speaker 1: a lot of times we don't we don't detach the
Speaker 1: entertainment from the real life. We have to learn to
Speaker 1: do that. Like like it was just saying, like it's
Speaker 1: dudes that don't come from the lifestyle. But they're great artists.
Speaker 1: They're great writers, a lot of street niggs blay oh Man,
Speaker 1: and they ain't living that life. At some point, it
Speaker 1: don't even matter no more because it's just art. We
Speaker 1: gotta separate, We gotta separate our feelings for for what
Speaker 1: we what we think is real, you know, from from
Speaker 1: the actual movie and in the music is the movie
Speaker 1: like like he's like, they don't said stop taking ship personal.
Speaker 1: You fine, I don't because this nigga might have never
Speaker 1: sold a sack in his life, because I usually on
Speaker 1: the corner selling sacks. But I can't get mad because
Speaker 1: he's rapping about it. It's more funking money. Grew up
Speaker 1: in Sartos or some ship like that. It never touched
Speaker 1: the dumpe sack. But you know about it. You didn't
Speaker 1: heard about it, you know, watching up movies about it.
Speaker 1: He didn't cousin them, went to jail or some ship.
Speaker 1: So I feel like I got the authority to write
Speaker 1: about me selling sacks. And I think that's what most
Speaker 1: artists get it from anyway, because it ain't been wrong
Speaker 1: with you know, if you don't have hardboys, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like this, I don't see it like, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure James don't. I'm pretty shake James. Trust me, you
Speaker 1: are the inspiration for somebody's rapping music out here. Somebody
Speaker 1: ever ship this, let me ship this. Rappers are like
Speaker 1: actors when you get guys that that do their homework,
Speaker 1: listen to certain rappers and get that flow. And because
Speaker 1: some of them sound like somebody and they feel that
Speaker 1: they perfected that, now I gotta write about something they
Speaker 1: ain't never some of the Jim Catch ain't never left better,
Speaker 1: something left here. So now they're rapping about something like
Speaker 1: you're talking about Rick Ross. Rick Ross rapping about something.
Speaker 1: We don't know what you're doing. But and you know
Speaker 1: people don't know, but he's perfected. He's making a lot
Speaker 1: of money. Why not just taking this? I mean as
Speaker 1: it is, and it is with music. That's what I
Speaker 1: looked at this because some of them young Chicago nigga
Speaker 1: sound like they really doing this. Ship They talked about
Speaker 1: music that by his covering. Like I said, when you
Speaker 1: ain't next to a motherfucker, you ain't come from that circle.
Speaker 1: I just you gotta take it for what it is.
Speaker 1: And motherfucker make com music. I don't know what a
Speaker 1: motherfucker did he might have shot a thick at ten times,
Speaker 1: or he might have not did ship and saw the
Speaker 1: ship on TV last night, wrote a verse of body.
Speaker 1: But who am I to judge this motherfucker because you
Speaker 1: don't come from my circle. That's a real song. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at you making music now. Whether your ship is
Speaker 1: authentic or not, or you're a real motherfucker, I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's to be judged by a lot of people. But
Speaker 1: I ain't got time to be fucking with your ship
Speaker 1: and trying to judge who you not. And then we
Speaker 1: go with that man, I say, he just sitting in
Speaker 1: the preserve and this ship. I ain't gonna say nothing. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying listen. It's it's like like I just
Speaker 1: said that. He said the same thing. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? When you're pocketing is what it is. It's entertainment, bro,
Speaker 1: it's entertainment. We we we we don't know how to
Speaker 1: detach you that outlook, because I got I got listening,
Speaker 1: I got I got homies that called me from prison
Speaker 1: that just don't get it right, y know? What's up
Speaker 1: with this nicking? These nick is talking on this that
Speaker 1: they really like that and I try to tell him, like, Bro,
Speaker 1: at this point, it don't even matter. We'll do it
Speaker 1: matter because the fans is not based on that. Life
Speaker 1: is not based on that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's just entertainment. Whoever's whoever's telling the story the
Speaker 1: best they could tell it. It's like it's life. It's
Speaker 1: like a act of just's like putting on his suit
Speaker 1: and getting in the movie. Right, yeah, and the reality
Speaker 1: ever else though, the fans don't give a funk anywhere
Speaker 1: as long as that ship sound dope. Really they got
Speaker 1: a problem with it, then it's gonna be tested sometime,
Speaker 1: and then you see what happens when niggas got real.
Speaker 1: Niggas got problems with it, and they pull your card
Speaker 1: and test you because they think you that nigga. Eventually
Speaker 1: the ship happens and ship hits the fan, and some
Speaker 1: of these niggas end up getting popped or dead or
Speaker 1: whatever whatever. Because Bragadocian ship that you it can get
Speaker 1: you a different place to be able to accept it
Speaker 1: as man, this ship is music entertained these niggas talking
Speaker 1: about they kill a hundred motherfuckers or whatever. Man, it's
Speaker 1: music they wrapped into a beat, whatever, cool whatever it.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't. I don't know what your real
Speaker 1: life is. Then I come from one walk of life.
Speaker 1: I know what I did, I know what James did.
Speaker 1: We all think whatever. But on record they come on, man,
Speaker 1: that ship playing my card like some music nigga, and
Speaker 1: after it's done, they got cut it off. And I
Speaker 1: don't think you killed a hundred niggas because you wrapped
Speaker 1: about it on your record. Hell now, Arnold Schwartzenegger blew
Speaker 1: up a thousand niggas as a robot. You feel me,
Speaker 1: he ain't walking around this motherfucker like determinator. You can
Speaker 1: stop his ass too, like it ain't ship. You feel me?
Speaker 1: So please, you gotta take entertainment for what entertainment is
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Yes, all days. So man,
Speaker 1: where can people find you at? Dog? So what we're
Speaker 1: cann people find you at? Oh? Yeah, man, you know
Speaker 1: I'm outside. Brother May hustle hard on everything, Man on
Speaker 1: hustle hard on everything, Instagram, Twitter, whatever it is. Man
Speaker 1: for shore Man, I appreciate you come, We appreciate you
Speaker 1: coming on the show Man and when you out here
Speaker 1: on west Man his brother about loving hip hop. We're
Speaker 1: gonna answer question, James. I want to know what's handing
Speaker 1: with Loving hip Hop. He's a loving him to know
Speaker 1: the fun is going down and loving You talk, you talk,
Speaker 1: You're talking about as far as me being all that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, how much of in this real? How much
Speaker 1: of it is just a strong well? I mean, I
Speaker 1: only have one explain is with Loving hip Hop? I
Speaker 1: was only on one season and and for me, it
Speaker 1: was just business. It was just strictly business. They you know,
Speaker 1: I was able to get myself in a situation where
Speaker 1: they were they was giving me a nice amount of
Speaker 1: money to do it, so, um, I did it, um,
Speaker 1: but it was it was business. I never watched the
Speaker 1: episode that I was on. I never participated in actually
Speaker 1: promoting it and none of that. You know, um, and
Speaker 1: you know, shout out to the people that that did,
Speaker 1: but I didn't. I didn't look at uh doing TV,
Speaker 1: reality TV as being anything that I that I could use,
Speaker 1: you know, for like music or stuff like that. It
Speaker 1: was just what it was. Was just a business moment.
Speaker 1: It wasn't your reality. One more question. You said you
Speaker 1: never watched, you never listened to an episode? None of that.
Speaker 1: I've been feeling, I feel the same way. I never
Speaker 1: listened or watched down podcast that I was done watch
Speaker 1: my apisode. I don't like watching me. Okay, I don't
Speaker 1: watch the so even even with my old podcast, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't watch it the show. Did you look at
Speaker 1: any other podcasts? Are you a fan of any other
Speaker 1: podcasts out there? Um? A little bit of everybody. I
Speaker 1: tapped into this one, you know. Um, I tapped into everybody.
Speaker 1: You know Gilly uh wollow my man Noor. You know
Speaker 1: I'm tapped in. I'm watching what's going on? I know
Speaker 1: I know about this. Join here. Yeah, some good people. Man.
Speaker 1: You come into podcast world right now. Man, you watch
Speaker 1: the Joe Button's podcast. You watched Joe button Ship not
Speaker 1: really man? What you think about the dance to chronicle through? Yeah?
Speaker 1: He said? He said, he tapped in with us. I've
Speaker 1: been I've been tapped into this one, okay, I've been
Speaker 1: tapping for show man when we wus you too, a
Speaker 1: whale dog And when you out here man in the
Speaker 1: next few weeks. If you've got times, I know you
Speaker 1: come out here to work and everything. If you've got times,
Speaker 1: we are little to have you. But I don't know
Speaker 1: if you smoke or not, but eight smoke like a motherfucker.
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know if you take a
Speaker 1: pun or not, but we make sure we got some
Speaker 1: of that good. You know what I'm saying. It's not
Speaker 1: good a week for you and we don't we don't.
Speaker 1: We don't spoke, primo. So you ain't gotta worry about
Speaker 1: getting the laces. Yeah, you know movies out here, and
Speaker 1: you ain't gotta worry about the trick. And you're like,
Speaker 1: got manway like this, you know I'm saying, but we
Speaker 1: but we do got some good weed though. Good okay,
Speaker 1: show man. But we appreciate you, bro, and sorry for
Speaker 1: the little delays early on the technical difficulties man, but
Speaker 1: we appreciate your dog man much bless is being to
Speaker 1: continue success man, for sure appreciate And this has been
Speaker 1: another episode the Gangster Chronicles. Man, we had mainly on
Speaker 1: here man today for epic episode. Man, y'all make sure
Speaker 1: y'all catch back up. What is next week? Sill we
Speaker 1: out we this motherfucker. Well. That concludes another episode of
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