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Speaker 3: Welcome to the special Friday edition of the Giants Sotal podcast,

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Speaker 3: brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of the

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Speaker 3: New York Giants. John Schmoke with you our normal Friday show.

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Speaker 3: Bob Papa has a chance to talk to Giants head

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Speaker 3: coach Brian Dable Lance Metal with a closer look at

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Speaker 3: the opponent. This week, he talks to Zach Berman, who

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Speaker 3: covers the Eagles for pH l Y. And then we'll

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Speaker 3: lead off with my interview with Giants offensive tackle Andrew Thomas.

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Speaker 3: Now we welcome in Giants starting left tackle Andrew Thomas. Andrew,

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Speaker 3: how are you, man, I'm a I'm doing great.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Let's start here with you personally. I know you obviously

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Speaker 3: dealt with that hamstring injury earlier in the year. Then

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Speaker 3: you had a little bit of a knee You're no

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Speaker 3: stranger unfortunately from kind of fighting through jews over the

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Speaker 3: course of the year. How's your body feeling and how

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Speaker 3: have those things held up over the course.

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Speaker 5: Of the year. Yeah, definitely been a rough season this year,

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Speaker 5: just dealing with injuries, some stuff you know, you can't

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Speaker 5: even prevent, but I think I'm doing a good job

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Speaker 5: of managing it, just trying to get all the treatment

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Speaker 5: I can, trying to get good rest, stay on top

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Speaker 5: of it. But it's just part of the game. Obviously

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Speaker 5: you would rather not deal with that, but it's playing

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Speaker 5: officer line. People gonna follow you, Things going to happen,

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Speaker 5: So just got to find a way to push through it.

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Speaker 3: And that's what happened with your knee, which I'm sure

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Speaker 3: it's similar to managing when you with kind of the

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Speaker 3: ankle issues right in the feet, hamp strings. Different it's

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Speaker 3: a muscle injury, right, How was that different compared to

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Speaker 3: some of like the joint stuff that you did deal

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Speaker 3: with in years priory.

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Speaker 5: That was I think tougher, just because it's harder to manage,

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Speaker 5: you know, when you have a muscle injury like that,

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Speaker 5: especially like as deep as it was and the bleeding

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Speaker 5: and stuff that happened with it, and it's with hamstrings

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Speaker 5: is really hard because as officer lignm and like people

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Speaker 5: always say like, oh, yeah, you don't have to run

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Speaker 5: that much, but every play, if it's a run block,

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Speaker 5: I'm running off the ball. I'm trying to move somebody

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Speaker 5: else three hundred some.

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Speaker 2: Pounds off leg right, and then when I'm.

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Speaker 5: Past blocking, like to anchor, you're using all that in

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Speaker 5: your lord posterior chain like all that, you know what

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Speaker 5: I'm saying, trying to stop someone. So it was tough

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Speaker 5: dealing with that. It just took time to heal. So

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Speaker 5: I'm feeling better now, so just trying to you know,

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Speaker 5: keep going.

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Speaker 2: And that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: You can fight through the pain a little bit within

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Speaker 3: the year an angle right and manage it. But the

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Speaker 3: hamstring you kind of just have to let the muscle

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Speaker 3: heal and until it's healed, there's really nothing you can do.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's tough. So with you know, joint injuries or

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Speaker 5: like you know, minor springs like your knee and stuff

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Speaker 5: like that, like it usually just feels painful like constantly,

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Speaker 5: but you can deal with it.

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Speaker 2: But you can embrace it and tap it and stuff

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Speaker 5: The hamstring is like it could be feeling great and

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Speaker 5: you know, you're practicing, and you do one little thing

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Speaker 5: and it tweaks in. It's just like the whole thing

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Speaker 2: You open it up right, and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 5: A hard feeling because you don't know, like when people

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Speaker 5: say like it's day to day, it really is, because

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Speaker 5: like you can try to go out there, like a

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Speaker 5: few games out, you know, even when I heard it originally,

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Speaker 5: I'm out there against Dallas and you can tell like

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to play with it, but like I'm not

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Speaker 4: Like to be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean, do you feel like now as

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Speaker 3: you've managed the stuff, do you feel like you've now

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Speaker 3: hit your stride. You've been back on the field for

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Speaker 3: a while now, we're obviously to your point, you're still managing,

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Speaker 3: but have you kind of figured out hanagen now where

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Speaker 3: you're still able to play at a high level.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I'm able to manage it a lot

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Speaker 5: better now. Obviously I'm always looking to clean up things

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Speaker 5: my technique, and that's a good sign. Whenever you're worried

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Speaker 3: Do you think you've taken you know, obviously you've hit

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Speaker 3: a very high level of play, You've all pro big

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Speaker 3: still kind of chipping away and making progress in terms

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say just like trying to be more

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Speaker 5: of a leader in the line room. Like we got

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Speaker 5: a lot of adversity this year, just with the injuries

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Speaker 5: and things that going on. People have to play different.

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Speaker 2: Positions understatement of the century.

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Speaker 5: And then like personally just as office alignment, like even

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Speaker 5: sure there's always something that you're working on trying to

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Speaker 5: fix because as office of lineman, as you know, it

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Speaker 5: only takes one play that you mess up and everyone

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Speaker 5: knows about it. So it's you're always working to perfect

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Speaker 3: You talk about trying to be more vocal and be

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Speaker 3: a be a leader. How much have you been able

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Speaker 3: to see, observe, and learn from Justin Pugh in that

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Speaker 3: regard since he's gotten here, bringing a lot of that

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Speaker 3: veteran leadership with him.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Pugh's been great for us. It was, you know,

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Speaker 5: breath of fresh air, just you know, new energy. I

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Speaker 5: think that we needed, and obviously he has you know,

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Speaker 5: which he had to do for us, which helped us out.

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Speaker 5: But now Pugh's been great, obviously a vet presidence that

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Speaker 5: we need, so glad to have him.

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Speaker 3: Has it also helped you and the unit you've a

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Speaker 3: should be able to roll out the same offensive line group.

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Speaker 3: I think it's five straight weeks now, and through the

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Speaker 3: first eight weeks the season, I think you had a

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Speaker 3: different group every every week. How much has that contributed

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Speaker 3: you think to the offensive lineman making some progress over

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Speaker 3: the course in terms of the overall quality of play

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a ton. When you're playing next to the

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Speaker 5: this guy attacks different blocks. You know where he's going

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Speaker 5: to be on different you know, pass passing off, twist

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Speaker 5: things like that. You just it's just a feeling that

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Speaker 5: you have that it's like almost unspoken. So when you

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Speaker 5: have guys shifting around, it's not easy to overcome. Obviously

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Speaker 5: we had to do it because of injuries. Whenever you

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Speaker 5: can play, you know, consecutive games with the same group,

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Speaker 5: it's always a great feeling.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned passing off stunts and twist. A lot of

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Speaker 2: that is feeling instinct. Right last week, the line has

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Speaker 2: all had some issues with some of those.

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Speaker 3: How much of that is communication? How much of that

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Speaker 3: is technique with you guys all trying to be on

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Speaker 3: the same level and stuff like that to pass those

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Speaker 5: I think it's a little bit of both. I think

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Speaker 5: it starts with obviously your eyes, just like what you're seeing,

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Speaker 5: That's what I'm talking about, Like where you're seeing it

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Speaker 5: the same way because you're playing away like nine times

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Speaker 5: lined up like you have you know, a split second

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Speaker 5: to make a call and you don't have to you

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Speaker 5: step right here and do this. It's like we have

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Speaker 5: to see it the same way, so we see that

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Speaker 5: you know, there's a chance that this could be a twist,

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Speaker 5: there's overload for whatever the case may be. And then

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Speaker 5: the technique of it is just executing you know what

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Speaker 5: we practice, hitting your landmarks and your set, having the

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Speaker 3: How much does the noise and loudness of a venue

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Speaker 3: inhibit some of that, right you would New Orleans last week.

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Speaker 3: Obviously Dome tough place to play. Phil is going to

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Speaker 3: right right, So how much does that contribute to maybe

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the first thing is just communication, Like

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Speaker 5: on the same page, and we do that, you know,

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Speaker 5: by talking. So when it's loud and you can't hear,

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Speaker 5: that makes it difficult. And then obviously the snap count

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Speaker 5: it's non verbal, so you have to be at the

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Speaker 5: just make sure everybody's on the same And the rushers

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Speaker 5: it's a lot easier as a play caller, and it's

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Speaker 5: a lot easier as office alignment because they don't know

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Speaker 5: if you're running or passing the ball. But when you're

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Speaker 5: you know, I think a few times against the Saints,

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Speaker 5: we ran the ball, you know it's a negative play

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Speaker 5: or it's a penalty on first down. And now you're

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Speaker 5: second and twelve, second and fifteen, it's obvious that you're

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Speaker 5: passing the ball. So it's two third downs in a row,

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Speaker 5: so they know that. But if that happens, we got

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Speaker 5: to be better at picking that up. But the goals

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Speaker 5: to stay out of those situations.

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Speaker 3: I want to take attact two parts of that answer.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't even going to go there, but I think

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Speaker 3: it's a really good point. How much does game flow?

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Speaker 3: And when I say game flow, I mean bad down

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Speaker 3: and distant situations third and long. Also being down a

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Speaker 3: few scores in the fourth quarter, know you're gonna throw.

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Speaker 3: How much does that make it more difficult than you

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Speaker 3: guys an easier on the defensive front, knowing that you're

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Speaker 3: becoming a one dimensional offense.

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Speaker 5: No, it changes the whole game. Like when you there

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Speaker 5: are some players that you have that are you know,

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Speaker 5: just outstanding, like better than the rest, But nine times

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Speaker 5: out of ten most guys, you know, it's a good matchup,

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Speaker 5: Like they get paid, we get paid, Like we're all

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Speaker 5: good players. And part of you know, their job is

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Speaker 5: like they have to read what the play is, die

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Speaker 5: and knows what it is. And that's our advantage as offense.

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Speaker 5: They don't know what player run, they don't know what side,

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Speaker 5: they don't know what's happening.

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Speaker 2: They have to course.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, obviously they watch film and try to predict, but

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Speaker 5: they don't know. But once you get, like you said,

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Speaker 5: down a few scores or it's you know, third and forever,

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Speaker 5: second and forever is obvious what we're going to do.

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Speaker 5: So when they know that I'm not reading the ball,

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Speaker 3: why so, what has been your message to him about

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Speaker 5: Yeah. People may not like it, but I told him,

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Speaker 5: People forget that sometimes, and what happens is if you're

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Speaker 5: They see it. So you can say, oh, I was

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Speaker 5: Right exactly So, but there is there is a level of,

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Speaker 5: So I told him to just do what's what's best

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Speaker 2: What is it like to play in Philadelphia as an

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Speaker 5: Yeah, not a tough environment. Obviously, their fans are very passionate,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure the fans will be cranky, they've lost three

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Speaker 5: You say revenge factor, like.

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Speaker 3: You guys lost them in the playoffs last year three times.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think it's necessarily like a revenge thing,

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Speaker 5: We wanted to be competitive whatever it is, like, you

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Speaker 5: never want to we're in the playoffs. Obviously we did

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Speaker 5: Who wanted to be close? You know, who knows? You

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Speaker 5: That's just how football is. But we always wanted to

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Speaker 3: Look, you have a chance to perform national audience on

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Speaker 2: It's like, oh Josh, what's gone? All right?

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Speaker 5: Exactly? So you just have to have your change strap

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Speaker 5: advantage of you know, give me not using a technique. Right,

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Speaker 5: He's a heavier guy, so he likes to power and

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Speaker 5: then work you know, different moves off of that. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: I mean, they just got a great stable up front.

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Speaker 5: It's gonna be a good challenge for us. But like

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Speaker 5: I said, it comes down to what we talked about earlier,

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Speaker 5: just the early down success, like being able to run

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Speaker 5: the ball, being able to mix it up, keep them

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Speaker 5: on their heels, and not getting in you know, third

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Speaker 5: longe situations all game because that's you know, that's tough

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Speaker 5: for any offense to overcome going against them.

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Speaker 3: Final two questions as a team and their pass rush

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Speaker 3: approach the last two games the Saints and the Packers.

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Speaker 3: Even going into the game there, their stun twist right

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Speaker 3: was top of the league, right, They do a lot

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Speaker 3: of that. The Eagles a little bit different, right, They're

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Speaker 3: more of a we're gonna try to setch up on

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Speaker 3: one on ones then they're just gonna trust them to

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Speaker 3: kind of beat the man. How does that change your

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Speaker 3: guys approach?

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Speaker 2: Then?

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Speaker 5: Obviously it's a copycat league. So like when you see

456
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Speaker 5: stuff on film that a team struggles with, for sure

457
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Speaker 5: that you'll see it again next week. So obviously they

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Speaker 5: run less. But if they watched the film, I'm sure

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Speaker 5: that they're gonna, you know, run those just to just

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Speaker 5: to check your oil, just to see sure if you

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Speaker 5: corrected that problem. But like you said, yes, they don't

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Speaker 5: blitt as much as other teams. They don't twist as

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Speaker 5: much just because they have better players up front. So

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Speaker 5: it's going to be about one on one matchups that

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Speaker 5: I talked about, and you know we have to execute

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Speaker 5: and do our jobs.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 3: Final question, did you see any change? I know you

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Speaker 3: watch multiple games when you prepare for this. Did you

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Speaker 3: see much of a change, going to Matt Patricia from

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Speaker 3: what they were doing with Seawan Decid a little bit

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Speaker 3: earlier in the year.

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Speaker 5: The only thing I saw that they played a little

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Speaker 5: bit less Diamond fronts and he didn't bring as much

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Speaker 5: as pressure as before.

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Speaker 2: Which to me was a surprise. Think it comes from

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Speaker 2: the Patriots.

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Speaker 5: They like to change up, but they do have, you know,

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Speaker 5: similar things with personnel as far as like they'll have

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Speaker 5: three safeties in the game, so like we have to

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Speaker 5: identify you know, where they at, which where they rotated,

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Speaker 5: just for our mike points and different sorts and different

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Speaker 5: run schemes to just because you can get caught up

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Speaker 5: in like who's who, and we have to treat them

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Speaker 5: like spots and not necessarily like players or numbers.

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Speaker 2: Andrew, this is great man. I appreciate it. Good luck

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Speaker 9: As you were saying, I've been to every Eagles Giants game,

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Speaker 9: and so I'm going through and I'm like, yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 9: It was that twenty thirteen game. I remember that vividly.

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Speaker 8: It's amazing because Matt Barkley actually replaced Michael Vick Zach

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Speaker 8: and now Barkley is a backup quarterback on the Giants.

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Speaker 8: So life comes at you fast and full circle. Apparently

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Speaker 8: here in the NFL.

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Speaker 9: Well said, I actually I started covering the NFL covering

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Speaker 9: the Giants twenty eleven, and so yeah, it does come

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Speaker 9: full circle in that regard.

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Speaker 8: So Zach, let's start with a big picture perspective for

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Speaker 8: the Eagles here. Clearly they're struggling. They've dropped three in

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Speaker 8: a row. The offense has scored less than twenty points

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Speaker 8: in each of these three games. When you look at

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Speaker 8: this recent stretch, what would you say is the bigger

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Speaker 8: liability right now? Has it been the offense or would

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Speaker 8: you point to the defense, especially now that they've made

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Speaker 8: the change at play caller from Seawn Decide to Matt Patricia.

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Speaker 4: I would say the offense.

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Speaker 9: I mean, the reality is, if you just look at

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Speaker 9: it statistically, the defense is struggling more this season, right,

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Speaker 9: That's why they made a change in coordinator. But if

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Speaker 9: you look at these last three games in particular, the

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Speaker 9: offense hasn't scored into the twenties in these last three games.

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Speaker 9: Two weeks ago, they did not have a single off

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Speaker 9: offensive touchdown against Dallas last week, and since in Seattle,

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Speaker 9: you know that they had seventeen points, right, so they're

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Speaker 9: not doing enough offensively. But if you're looking at the

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Speaker 9: whole season. Yeah, that the defense has underperformed. I think

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Speaker 9: the offense has more talent, but there's a reason why

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Speaker 9: the Eagles made a change in defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 8: Nine of their fourteen games this season, interestingly, have been

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Speaker 8: decided by one score, And Zach, I'm not bringing that

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Speaker 8: up to take anything away from the Eagles, but I

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Speaker 8: think last season most people labeled this team as a juggernaut,

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Speaker 8: and rightfully so. This season, though, if you go back

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Speaker 8: to the beginning of the year, it seems as if

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Speaker 8: not to say they weren't good, but they've been winning

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Speaker 8: by very narrow margins. So how fair is it to

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Speaker 8: say that what's happening right now is not that surprising

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Speaker 8: given the fact that they have been walking a pretty

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Speaker 8: fine line for the majority of this season.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's definitely fair to say. And the reality is

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Speaker 9: they were better last year. They also had a much

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Speaker 9: easier schedule last year, right, I mean, they faced just

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Speaker 9: an absolute gauntlet here, and I think what they're seeing

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Speaker 9: is that, you know, it's it's a it's it's a

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Speaker 9: different story when you're not winning by double diedger points

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Speaker 9: a halftime.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: Uh, So they're in a lot of close games.

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Speaker 9: They the way they're built, you know, the way they're

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Speaker 9: the roster is constructed is to play from ahead, is

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Speaker 9: to pin their ear you know. And that way they

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Speaker 9: have those pass rushers who can pin their ears back,

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Speaker 9: they have the offensive line that they can kind of

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Speaker 9: wear out the clock. And they haven't been doing that

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Speaker 9: as if you know, they they've been playing from behind

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Speaker 9: often this year.

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Speaker 4: Uh, you just look at their point differential. It's the

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Speaker 4: world's different than it was a year ago.

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Speaker 9: And they're they're simply that they're they're not able to

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Speaker 9: play the way they're constructed. And partly that's because they're

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Speaker 9: playing better opponents and partly because they're not they're turning

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Speaker 9: the ball over more on on offense and they're not

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Speaker 9: taking over that they're not taking the ball away or

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Speaker 9: getting as many sacks on defense.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, minus six turnover margin last season, they were one

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Speaker 8: of the best in the NFL. And that brings us

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Speaker 8: to Jalen Hurts because his numbers are down across the board.

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Speaker 8: Zach twenty two touchdown, six interceptions a year ago, nineteen tds,

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Speaker 8: twelve interceptions this season, so he's doubled his interceptions the

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Speaker 8: passer rating passing yards per game is down as well.

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Speaker 8: I'd Alwa's been banged up. He was dealing with the

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Speaker 8: illness entering the Seahawks game. If you had to pin

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Speaker 8: a finger on why there has been a dip, is

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Speaker 8: there one thing in particular or is this a variety

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Speaker 8: of contributing factors in your mind?

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Speaker 4: Well, turnovers in particular.

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Speaker 9: Now you say why that there's a lot of contributing

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Speaker 9: factors there. Ball security has been an issue. You know,

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Speaker 9: he's fumbled balls that he shouldn't be flumbling or that

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Speaker 9: he wasn't last year, or that he did last year,

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Speaker 9: and then they recovered, frankly, and then the interceptions, Yeah,

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Speaker 9: he's he's putting the ball into harm's way a little

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Speaker 9: bit more. And part of that, frankly, is the defensive

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Speaker 9: structures they're seeing. He goes want to have explosive plays, right,

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Speaker 9: Their explosive plays are down this year, and partly because

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Speaker 9: defenses are playing back to kind of prevent these explosive plays. Right,

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Speaker 9: you know, they're they're they're seeing more you know, cover

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Speaker 9: four and and you know different coverages that are trying

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Speaker 9: to limit those explosive plays. And so when those conditions

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Speaker 9: are there, and you know he either tries to throw

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Speaker 9: deep or he's just.

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Speaker 4: On the field more to throw more passes.

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Speaker 9: I think, uh, you know, that's that's why you're seeing

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Speaker 9: more turnovers. So there's a lot more you can do

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Speaker 9: that you can kind of like dissect. But I think

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Speaker 9: the the big part of it is they're turning the

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Speaker 9: ball over at at a higher rate. That's bringing points down.

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Speaker 9: That's that's cutting drives early, and it's given the opponent

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Speaker 9: better opportunities to score.

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Speaker 8: The rushing numbers also don't necessarily jump off the page.

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Speaker 8: Since Week four, they're averaging just under seventy two rushing

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Speaker 8: yards per game from their running backs. At least that

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Speaker 8: doesn't include Jalen Hurts his numbers. And you know from

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Speaker 8: last season they were a three or maybe even a

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Speaker 8: four headed monster given how effectively they ran with the

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Speaker 8: plethora of running backs and Hurts.

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Speaker 6: What is that a product of? In your mind?

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Speaker 8: Why the rushing numbers, because you would figure, okay, if

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Speaker 8: there's different coverage zact to your point down the field

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Speaker 8: and they're not getting the explosive plays, that would you

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Speaker 8: would think give them more of a reason to want

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Speaker 8: to emphasize the run.

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Speaker 6: Game under those circumstances.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that's that's more product of playing from behind,

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Speaker 9: uh or not playing with these leads. When you look

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Speaker 9: at those rushing numbers last year and you see how

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Speaker 9: many times they were able to kind of just just

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Speaker 9: wear down defenses late in the game with the running

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Speaker 9: game while they were nursing this big lead. I mean,

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Speaker 9: you just look at the Giants games last year, and

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Speaker 9: you know, I know, Giants fans, when they hear Boston

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Speaker 9: Scott's name, it's it's it's like he plays.

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Speaker 4: Well against the Giants.

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Speaker 9: But if you look at a lot of those times

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Speaker 9: that he scores, it's it's late in games when when

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Speaker 9: they're wearing out the clock, right.

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Speaker 4: So I I think that's a I think that's a

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Speaker 4: big part of it.

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Speaker 9: With the running game, they're they're not a team that

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Speaker 9: comes out and kind of commits to the run early.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of fans who want them to do that.

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Speaker 9: You know, there's been fans standing outside the team facility

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Speaker 9: holding out a side saying run the ball, right, But

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Speaker 9: it's just they kind of they've passed to get the

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Speaker 9: lead and they run to keep the leaders. And the

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Speaker 9: way the game flow has been this year is they've

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Speaker 9: simply been playing from behind far too often that they've

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Speaker 9: been passing late in games.

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Speaker 8: Well, And I think you bring up a great point

654
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Speaker 8: because game flow obviously indicates what you're gonna lean on

655
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Speaker 8: and what facet of the team perhaps can do the

656
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Speaker 8: heavy lifting. I know you jokingly, Zach brought up Boston Scott,

657
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Speaker 8: and you brought up a fair point. You got to

658
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Speaker 8: look at when he's had his production, but fifty nine

659
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Speaker 8: percent of his career touchdowns, of course, have come against

660
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Speaker 8: the Giants. He's at at least one touchdown in each

661
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Speaker 8: of his nine career games against the Giants, including the playoffs,

662
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Speaker 8: and he hasn't played much this season. His season high

663
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Speaker 8: was thirteen percent of the offensive snap. So I guess

664
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Speaker 8: what I'm getting at is have they been resting him

665
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Speaker 8: for this Christmas matchup?

666
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Speaker 6: Have they been.

667
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Speaker 8: Gearing up to further showcase his skill set or do

668
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Speaker 8: you think it's going to be more business as usual

669
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Speaker 8: in terms of the Eagles personnel on Monday.

670
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's it's one of these phenomenons that.

671
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Speaker 9: I don't think they've been resting Boston Scott for the

672
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Speaker 9: Giants game. But it wouldn't surprise me if even from

673
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Speaker 9: like a gamesmanship perspective, if you know, they have a

674
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Speaker 9: first and goal with the one and they put Boston

675
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Speaker 9: Scott in there and they give him the ball to

676
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Speaker 9: just keep that going, you know. I I said this

677
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Speaker 9: partly in jest because because far bayit for me to

678
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Speaker 9: tell Joe.

679
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Speaker 4: Shane what to do.

680
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Speaker 9: But like Boston Scott was a free agent, the Giant

681
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Speaker 9: should have signed him, right. But no, and in all seriousness,

682
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Speaker 9: I I I think that you know, Boston Scott, he's there,

683
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Speaker 9: he's their third running back.

684
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Speaker 4: They use him situationally.

685
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I do think he'll play some against the Giants,

686
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Speaker 9: but he's not a big part of the offense, and

687
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Speaker 9: it's it's kind of worked out against the Giants sometimes

688
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Speaker 9: that you know, Miles Sanders has been has been banged

689
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Speaker 9: up in a few of these games, and it's it's

690
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Speaker 9: or they've played late in the year when the Eagles

691
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Speaker 9: have kind of sat their starters or things like that,

692
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Speaker 9: that that.

693
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Speaker 4: He's gotten in there.

694
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Speaker 2: Uh.

695
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Speaker 9: But it wouldn't surprise me if bust and Scott gets

696
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Speaker 9: it gets touched down this.

697
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Speaker 4: Week, because every time I'm like, yeah, this topic is

698
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 4: getting old. He still scores.

699
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it just seems to be the gift that keeps

700
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Speaker 8: on giving from at least the Eagles perspective, and it

701
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Speaker 8: comes at the expense of the Giants, and that's why

702
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Speaker 8: it's no laughing matter, at least from their side of

703
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Speaker 8: the equation. In all seriousness, though, whoever is running the

704
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Speaker 8: football at the end of the day, they get the

705
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Speaker 8: holes built from this offensive line, which has been one

706
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Speaker 8: of the best units in recent history. But they're hurting

707
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Speaker 8: a bit now, Zach and I want to raise two

708
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Speaker 8: guys and bring them up to the forefront. Cam Jurgens

709
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Speaker 8: missed the Seattle game pectoral injury, and he missed five

710
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Speaker 8: games earlier this season with a foot injury. And Landon

711
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Speaker 8: Dickerson we just found out underwent thumb surgery.

712
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Speaker 6: So what's the status. How would you assess whether or

713
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Speaker 6: not one both will be in the lineup out of

714
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Speaker 6: the lineup come Monday.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so you know, Cam Jurgens is back on the

716
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Speaker 9: practice field, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you'll he'll play.

717
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Speaker 4: I'm curious to see. You know, the Beagles have some

718
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Speaker 4: interior line.

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Speaker 9: Depth, but it's it's it's not the I mean Landed

720
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Speaker 9: difference is a high level of players. So if he's

721
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Speaker 9: not on the field, and let's say they go with

722
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Speaker 9: you know, like a Tyler Stein or someone like that,

723
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Speaker 9: you know, there's a drop off, just as as there's

724
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Speaker 9: a drop off when you go from Cam Jurgens Sisuo

725
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Speaker 9: Petta right.

726
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Speaker 4: So, uh, I, I don't you know, it's still early

727
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Speaker 4: in the week.

728
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Speaker 9: The Eagles just started practicing today, and so I don't

729
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Speaker 9: have a firm answer as far as what they're going

730
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Speaker 9: to do on the offensive line, but it's it's definitely

731
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Speaker 9: not the same when you're missing two starters. Now you

732
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Speaker 9: know that they still have you know, two you know,

733
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Speaker 9: future Hall of famers on that line, and Jason Kelcey

734
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Speaker 9: and Lane Johnson right, and then uh Jordan my Lot

735
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Speaker 9: is one of the best left tackles.

736
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Speaker 4: In the league. But certainly those those guards would be a.

737
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Speaker 8: Big absence, especially in terms of the big giants personnel

738
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Speaker 8: such as a Dexter Lawrence who comes into play with

739
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Speaker 8: a variety of those interior offensive linemen for the Eagles.

740
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Speaker 8: As we're talking with Zach Berman, he covers the Eagles

741
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Speaker 8: for phl Y Sports, Zach, I want to flip the

742
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Speaker 8: script over to the defensive side of the ball, and

743
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Speaker 8: we were discussing this off the top in terms of

744
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Speaker 8: a new play caller with Matt Patricia replacing Sean Desai.

745
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Speaker 8: I know it's a small sample size. There was only

746
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Speaker 8: one game on Monday night. I'm just curious, did anything

747
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 8: jump out to you that was different stylistically speaking about

748
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Speaker 8: this Eagles defense with now Patricia at the controls?

749
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Speaker 9: Uh, you know, there are some personnel adjustments, right, and

750
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Speaker 9: you know, been mixing things up. They had some three

751
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 9: safety looks in there, like a heavy dime formation at times,

752
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 9: and you know Patricia will continue to put his own

753
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Speaker 9: stamp on it. But the reality of it, too is

754
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Speaker 9: is you're in December, right. They spent training camp and

755
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 9: the season kind of installing a defense. I don't anticipate

756
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Speaker 9: them looking much different. I think maybe some of the

757
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Speaker 9: calls and some of the situational football might be a

758
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 9: little different. But no, I mean, Patricia, you know, I

759
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Speaker 9: think if I'll tell you anything's different, it would be like,

760
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Speaker 9: you know, it would be some personnel that got Patrick

761
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 9: Johnson in there more, for instance, right, But nothing that

762
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Speaker 9: a Giants fan would look at it and say, that's

763
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Speaker 9: a totally different defense than what you might have seen

764
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Speaker 9: on TV three weeks ago.

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Speaker 8: If there are two facets that jump out to me,

766
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Speaker 8: Zach about the Eagles defense that are a bit of

767
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 8: a head scratcher, it's.

768
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Speaker 6: Won the run defense.

769
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Speaker 8: They're allowing one hundred and forty five yards on the

770
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Speaker 8: ground per game over their last five contests weeks one

771
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Speaker 8: through ten, they were one of the best units in

772
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Speaker 8: stopping the run. And it's fair to say they've got

773
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Speaker 8: most of their big boys up front, at least health wise,

774
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Speaker 8: And then the worst third down defense in the NFL

775
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Speaker 8: teams are converting forty eight percent of the time. I

776
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Speaker 8: know they've dealt with some injuries at linebacker and that's

777
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Speaker 8: why obviously they brought in Shot Leonard. Is there more

778
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Speaker 8: than meets the eye here as to why those two

779
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Speaker 8: areas have been.

780
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Speaker 6: Such an achilles heel for this unit?

781
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Speaker 9: Well, I think the third down in particular. I mean,

782
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Speaker 9: that's what jumps out. That's the biggest problem. And I

783
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Speaker 9: would say they're just not getting sacks on their downs.

784
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Speaker 9: They're near the bottom of the league or at the

785
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Speaker 9: bottom of the league, and third down sacks last year

786
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 9: they're at the top of the league and they have

787
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Speaker 9: really good pass rushers a Son Raddick and Josh Sweat

788
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 9: coming around the edge. Those guys haven't been getting home

789
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Speaker 9: on third down, so you can say rush and cover

790
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Speaker 9: the run defense. I think that's more concentrated to this

791
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 9: losing streak, and you're right, it's not playing well. I

792
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 9: think part of that is, you know, you look at

793
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Speaker 9: like the forty nine Ers game, they're playing from behind

794
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 9: quite a bit, the Dallas game, they're playing from behind

795
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 9: quite a bit. You know, there have been other games

796
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Speaker 9: in there when they've given up you know, too many

797
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Speaker 9: rushing yards. Earlier this year they were a really tough

798
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Speaker 9: run defense, right and you know there are you know,

799
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Speaker 9: there's different things you can point to in terms of like,

800
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Speaker 9: you know, the amount of snaps that their defensive front

801
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 9: has played, and certainly they're their linebackers are not particularly

802
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 9: really good. You know, that's that's always the case every

803
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 9: year we talk about the Eagles. I can tell you

804
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 9: their linebackers are not particularly good, with the exception of

805
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 9: last season when those guys kind of overperformed. But of

806
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Speaker 9: those two things you mentioned, I think the stickiest, right, like,

807
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 9: like the thing that I'd be the the most concerned

808
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 9: about because I think it's kind of been consistent throughout

809
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 9: the year. Is that third down defense and when you're

810
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Speaker 9: bad situationally, like they just can't get off the field

811
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Speaker 9: on third downs, and it's it's it's a major problem.

812
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Speaker 4: And I would obviously I would throw red zone in

813
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 4: there too, right.

814
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Speaker 9: I mean, they're they're twenty eighth in the league in

815
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Speaker 9: red zone defense. So if if you're if you're not

816
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Speaker 9: getting off the field on third down and you're allowing

817
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 9: touchdowns instead of field goals in the red zone, then

818
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 9: you're you're you're you're gonna have more results like what

819
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 9: you saw these past three games, and.

820
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Speaker 4: Frank, you're probably gonnna have.

821
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Speaker 9: A coaching change, right, Like, that's the longest short of it.

822
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 4: I think the reason this was changed more than anything

823
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,959
Speaker 4: else is they've just been really bad situationally.

824
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Speaker 9: You know, they've been bad on third downs, and they've

825
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 9: been baded on red zone and I hear.

826
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Speaker 4: What you're saying about the run defense. You know, there's

827
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Speaker 4: still I think seven over all this and I.

828
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Speaker 9: Know that you can kind of parse it to the

829
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 9: last six games or the last three games, but if

830
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Speaker 9: I'm like a Giants fan right now and I'm looking

831
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 9: at where this defense is weak. I'm saying, man, you know,

832
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 9: third downs they can't get off the field, and red

833
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 9: zone they're giving up touchdowns.

834
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Speaker 6: Yeah, because you go to Monday night's game, Zach.

835
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Speaker 8: The one thing that jumped out to me is they

836
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 8: for the most part kept Drew Lockett company through the

837
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 8: air in check. Then all of a sudden they go

838
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 8: ninety two yards for the go ahead touchdown, and Seattle

839
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Speaker 8: converted two third downs that were both third and tens.

840
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Speaker 8: So we're not even talking about Zach. It wasn't gimmes,

841
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 8: it wasn't third and manageable. It was third and long.

842
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 8: You have the offense exactly where you want to go,

843
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 8: and I know DK Metcalf made a great grab on

844
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 8: one of them. But has the third down in distance

845
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 8: been the troubling aspect from what you've seen, Meaning are

846
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 8: teams facing too many third and manageables or that's irrelevant

847
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 8: when it comes to not being able to get off

848
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 8: the field.

849
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a great question, because I mean they've been

850
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 9: kind of equal opportunity third down offenders, right, I mean,

851
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 9: like I say that, meaning like third and long has

852
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 9: been a big issue for them at different points in

853
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 9: the year. But then you know, they had a game

854
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 9: against Dallas two weeks ago when their problem was that

855
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 9: Dallas was.

856
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 4: Getting into too many third and managements.

857
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 9: You know, they're getting into like third and two and

858
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 9: third and three, and there wasn't really like the right

859
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 9: call for that.

860
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 4: Look.

861
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Speaker 9: So there's a lot of different ways to look at this,

862
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 9: but I just think third downs overall, third and long

863
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 9: has been an issue. Third and short it's been an issue,

864
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 9: Third and medium has been an issue. Third downs that

865
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 9: have just been a major brown for the defense.

866
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Speaker 6: As far as PERSONNELA is concerned.

867
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Speaker 8: And I know when we were talking about the offensive line,

868
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Speaker 8: you had mentioned. As we're recording this for our audience,

869
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 8: understand on Thursday afternoon, Eagles have just started practicing. But

870
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Speaker 8: Avante Maddox, I know his clock just started to return

871
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 8: from IR. Their nickel corner has been on IR since

872
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 8: week two. Darius Slay's not on IR, but just underwent

873
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 8: knee surgery. Where would you assess the dynamics at Lee

874
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 8: Zach of this second there? I know James Bradberry struggled

875
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 8: Monday night against the Seahawks, the former Giant health wise

876
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 8: and overall performance wise.

877
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 6: Where they're at right now.

878
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, they're mixing matching there right, I mean, I mean Sleigh.

879
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 9: I don't need to spake Sleigh being back. I don't

880
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 9: anticipate Maddox being back. Bradbury is the top guy. He's

881
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 9: struggling right now. You know they have some promising young

882
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 9: guys Keeley Ringo, Eli Rix or two rookies. You know

883
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 9: they have Kevin Byron as a vetin and at safety

884
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 9: they traded for Blanket Ship's giving them real productive play

885
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 9: at safety. Sydney Brown their third round picks. He's kind

886
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 9: of coming on a bit here. But no, they're missing

887
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 9: some key pieces. I mean, Sleigh and Mattis are two

888
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 9: of the most important parts of the secondary and if

889
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 9: they're not out there, that that that changes.

890
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 4: Much, Zach.

891
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 8: Before I let you go, I want to circle back

892
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 8: to where we started the conversation. Philadelphia has dominated the

893
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 8: Giants regardless of really where the game has been played

894
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 8: over the last decade, but specifically as we went over

895
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 8: the numbers in Philadelphia and we've seen a variety of

896
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 8: different coaches, different personnel, different coordinators. If you from the

897
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 8: Philadelphia side of things can provide your perspective. Is it

898
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 8: just the fact that the Eagles are a terrible matchup

899
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 8: for the Giants, or is there something else beyond the

900
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 8: higher power that deserves to be brought into this conversation

901
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 8: as to why the Eagles have dominated the Giants and

902
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 8: the Giants can't seem to have any antswer in recent

903
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 8: history because a lot of these games act I'm not

904
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 8: just talking about them winning the Eagles, but also winning

905
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 8: by lopsided fashion.

906
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 4: In fairness, yeah, I mean, I would look at it.

907
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 9: It's it's a fair question, and honestly, I think it's

908
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 9: it's probably speaks to kind of what this this past

909
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 9: decade has been like for the Giants in that I

910
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 9: think in most of these matchups, the Eagles have had

911
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 9: the superior quarterback, and I think that that.

912
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 4: Kind of changes much.

913
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 9: You know, I know the Giants had that that one

914
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 9: year when they went nine to seven and one last year,

915
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 9: right uh, and that just happened to be a year

916
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 9: that the Eagles went, you know, when they were the

917
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 9: best team in the in the in the NFC. But

918
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 9: outside of that, when you think since twenty thirteen, I mean,

919
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 9: the only year that I can think the Giants had

920
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 9: a winning record in there was was what twenty sixteen.

921
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 6: And the Carson wentz yeah.

922
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 9: Yeah, and and you know that was Carson's rookie year

923
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 9: and and like and you know otherwise, you know, there's

924
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 9: been games here where Daniel Jones has been banged up,

925
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 9: Like I remember a Giants game when Jake from started, right,

926
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 9: and there's been a there's just I look at it

927
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 9: like the Giants.

928
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 4: Just haven't been able to find that stability at quarterback.

929
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 4: And I know you'll know this better than me.

930
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 9: I mean, they were kind of hoping that Daniel Jones

931
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 9: would would be the guy. But I just think back

932
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 9: to when I was covering the Giants in twenty eleven,

933
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 9: Like the one thing you can count on was Eli

934
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 9: Manning playing on Sundays, and whenever Eli was out there,

935
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 9: you had a chance, right, And there's just been too

936
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 9: many times during this stretch where the Giants either haven't

937
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,959
Speaker 9: had the advantage at quarterback, or they've been playing with

938
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 9: a backup quarterback or I mean, if you look at

939
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 9: it this weekend, like a third string quarterback, right. And

940
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 9: so it's it's kind of the one thing that I've

941
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 9: seen in you know, I've covered the Eagles now for

942
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 9: for twelve years, and having that quarterback changes everything. And

943
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 9: you know, I would also add the offensive line in there, right, Like,

944
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 9: There's been two seasons during my time covering the Eagles

945
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 9: when it's really gone bad, and in those years, the

946
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 9: offensive line has had so many injuries, So I would

947
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 9: think that's the reason more than anything else.

948
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 8: No, I think you hit it run in the nose.

949
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 8: I would agree with your assessment. Playing the trenches has

950
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 8: been a huge difference between both of these teams. But

951
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 8: you bring up a fair point. It was a great

952
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 8: luxury when the Giants had Eli Manning, and all of

953
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 8: a sudden in the last few years they've realized how

954
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 8: it's a revolving door quarterback and it definitely changes the

955
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 8: outlook of the team. He is Zach Berman covers the

956
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 8: Eagles for phl Y Sports. Zach always great, catch it

957
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 8: up with you greatly appreciate the time of the inside

958
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 8: and looking forward to Monday's game on Christmas.

959
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 4: My pleasure. Mary Christman hath happy Howidays, and I'll see

960
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 4: you down here.

961
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 6: Same to you.

962
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963
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964
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965
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Speaker 7: you ready for all that life brings?

966
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 3: Great stuff at his zach and awesome insight. Giant fans

967
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972
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 3: let's turned to the head coach of the NYG, Brian Dable.

973
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 3: He talks of the voice of the NYG, Bob Papa.

974
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: As always, We're joined by the head coach of the

975
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: New York Football Giants, Brian Dable, coach first and foremost,

976
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: Merry Christmas to you and your family.

977
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 10: Same to you. Yeah.

978
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 1: The Giants are playing their first ever game on Christmas

979
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: Day in Philadelphia to take on an Eagles team that's

980
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: dropped three in a row but still one of the

981
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: best teams in the National Football League. And Coach, I

982
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: want to ask you this because Matt Patricia is handling

983
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: the defensive play calling for Philadelphia. Now, what kind of

984
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: things does he bring to the table And have you

985
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: noticed any decided differences in what they're doing defensively.

986
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think anytime there's a new play caller, there's

987
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 10: you know, subtle differences. You can only change so much.

988
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 10: It's you know, well into the season. But Matt, I've

989
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 10: had a you know, a good relationship with Matt dates

990
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 10: back a long time ago when he was coming out

991
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 10: of Syracuse as a graduate assistant, trying to get in

992
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 10: an entry level position at New England. And he's just

993
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 10: kind of moved up the ranks, obviously done a lot

994
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 10: of different things. Been a position coach, been a coordinator,

995
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 10: have been a head coach. Got a lot of respect

996
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 10: for him, his family, and he's you know, he's a

997
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 10: good coach.

998
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: Well, they got good players too on that side of

999
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: the ball, right, I mean, Hassan Reddick's got eleven sacks

1000
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: on the season. It feels like, you know, every dude

1001
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: on the front is a first round draft pick at

1002
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: some point.

1003
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 5: In their careers.

1004
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 10: Yeah. No, you're right about that.

1005
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: When you when you look at them, the versatility that

1006
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: they have and the fact that they can hit your waves.

1007
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: What kind of problem does that cause an offensive line

1008
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: and trying to run your offense effectively.

1009
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's where everything starts. So we're gonna have to

1010
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 10: do a good job of of blocking him one where

1011
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 10: our help is, you know, handling some of the movements

1012
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 10: or the games. And you know, it's certainly a challenge

1013
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 10: with the players that they have, whether it's Reddick or

1014
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 10: Sweat or Davis or you know, the main stays with

1015
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 10: Cox and Graham and then you throw in Jalen Carter

1016
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 10: and you know that's a it's a formidable front. Then

1017
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 10: you have to play the game the right way so

1018
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 10: they can't, you know, make you one dimensional.

1019
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: Over the course of your career. You've gone against Kevin Bayern,

1020
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: who they picked up during the season obviously wasn't part

1021
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: of the Eagles last year. What kind of problems does

1022
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: he cause an opposing offense?

1023
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 10: Yeah, veteran veteran safety, very instinctive. He's he's been a

1024
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 10: good player in this league for a long time and

1025
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 10: he is with the Eagles.

1026
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: The coach will go to the other side of the football.

1027
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: Here is you try to defend this Philadelphia offense that

1028
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: can hit you on a lot of different levels. You know,

1029
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts his numbers compared to last year are a

1030
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: little bit down, but he's got fourteen rushing touchdowns, that

1031
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: dual threat at the stress that it puts on a defense.

1032
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: What are some of the dudes and don'ts that have

1033
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: to happen in this game for you guys to be

1034
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: successful against them.

1035
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 10: That well, rush lanes are important. You know, he's very

1036
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 10: proficient at you know, turning in one play into the

1037
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 10: second play during the same play, if that makes sense.

1038
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 10: He's strong, he's elusive, and you know all his stats

1039
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 10: and you know, I just say this, he's his head

1040
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 10: over a seventy five percent winning percentage since he's been

1041
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 10: in high school in every level. So he's one hell

1042
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 10: of a player. Got a lot of respect for him.

1043
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 10: He's got a lot of weapons. It's a very talented roster,

1044
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 10: you know, the Big three with with aj Brown and

1045
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 10: and Smitty you know, and Goddard, just very very good group.

1046
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 10: And then you know they added that new running back

1047
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 10: with Swift who's been very productive. And then you know,

1048
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 10: of course gain Well is you know a little bit

1049
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 10: of a pass receiving guy, but does some other things.

1050
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 10: So a very talented group. And then as always it

1051
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,919
Speaker 10: starts up with the offensive line and you know, none

1052
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 10: better than Jason Kelcey to be in the middle of it.

1053
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: You know, coach, when you look at Philadelphia when they

1054
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: were really kind of purring during the course of the season,

1055
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: their inside run game was just devastating teams. Do they

1056
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: do anything super complicated up front or is it sort

1057
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: of mono a mono and you just have to win.

1058
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 1: Each guy has to win their individual match.

1059
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 10: Yeah. Oh, they do a good job of fundamentals and technique.

1060
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 10: Coach Stoutlin is an outstanding offensive line coach. And you know,

1061
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 10: whether it's single blocks or the double teams that they use,

1062
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 10: and then the back reading it and there's some zone

1063
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 10: read element to it with the with the quarterback. You know,

1064
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 10: they do a heck of job. Coach.

1065
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: I noticed between third and one and third and four

1066
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: they're at like seventy five percent. Obviously you want to

1067
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: keep them in longer down and distance. How important is

1068
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: it for you really on both sides of the ball

1069
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: to win on first down because I know last week,

1070
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: for instance, against New Orleans, there were so many third

1071
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: and longs because of the lack of production on first down.

1072
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: To make sure that you win on those early downs, Yeah.

1073
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 10: It was one of the keys that we didn't get accomplished.

1074
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 10: That'll be a key this week. You know, you try

1075
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 10: to play you know, two dimensional football, whether you can

1076
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 10: keep it in a running pass or play action RPO,

1077
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 10: and you know it's not all drop back pass and

1078
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 10: they put you a disadvantage. You know we're gonna have

1079
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 10: to do a good job on both sides of the

1080
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 10: ball of executing on first down.

1081
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: Coach, we appreciate a couple of minutes as always, best

1082
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: of luck this afternoon, and we'll do it again next week.

1083
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 3: Thanks Pop, We thank everybody for joining us on this

1084
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 3: edition of the Giants Total Podcast. Have a great holiday weekend,

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Speaker 3: Merry Christmas to those that are celebrating. Will be back

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Speaker 3: next week with more episodes on The Giants Total Podcast,

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