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Speaker 1: welcome to a special Black Friday edition of the Check Podcast.

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Speaker 1: As I told you earlier this week that we were

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Speaker 3: Wes Moore is there we go. He is the sixty

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Speaker 2: Well, this is good. We save a little bit of time.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's just get started. I got a laundry list

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Speaker 2: And I have it in my family.

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Speaker 1: Of this is you have Gavin Newsom who says, you know,

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Speaker 1: How much effort should be made to confront Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: So I think there has to be a combination where

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Speaker 4: each of those five buckets. But I think so we

437
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Speaker 4: have to come up with that balance of yes, pushing back,

438
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Speaker 4: but also being very clear that that pushing back is

439
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Speaker 4: not going to be enough. We also have to find

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Speaker 4: ways of pushing forward as well.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the government shutdown. This had to feel

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Speaker 1: you had to be torn about it. On one hand,

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Speaker 1: you you just talked about the importance of pushing back.

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, you have a lot of constituents

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Speaker 1: that were out of work and we're struggling because they

446
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Speaker 1: weren't going to get paid, and it's a you can't

447
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Speaker 1: pay your rent with a promise, right, you need to

448
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Speaker 1: actually have cash in the checking account. Was it a

449
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Speaker 1: good tactic? Was it the right call? Should it still

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Speaker 1: be shut down?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I'm I'm gonna be honest, Chuck, I'm not

452
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Speaker 4: torn about it at all.

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Speaker 2: There is no reason that the government should have been

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Speaker 2: shut down.

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Speaker 4: But because think about it, like this has very and

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Speaker 4: I don't know a single go that says, oh, yeah,

457
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Speaker 4: we should just shut the government down like this has.

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Speaker 2: Real human consequences for us. You're glad it opened up. Oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm very glad and opened up.

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Speaker 4: But I'll give you I'll give you a caveat and

461
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Speaker 4: and perst of all, first of all, it's just absurd

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Speaker 4: that Washington, DC can just shut down.

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Speaker 1: Like I mean, like like, by the way, it's two

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Speaker 1: legal people, one in Carter's Justice department, one in Reagan's

465
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Speaker 1: Justice department, who just came up with a legal theory

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Speaker 1: that this is what happens when there's a funding dispute,

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Speaker 1: that we should just cease operations.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy, it's.

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Speaker 1: Ridiculous, it's not in the constitution. It should never happen.

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Speaker 4: Ever, Okay, ever, we should never allow a government shutdown

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Speaker 4: and like, think about it, Like I can't walk into

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Speaker 4: my state house and say, you know what, Maryland, we're

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Speaker 4: shutting down. I can't do it in McDonald's ki McDonald's

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Speaker 4: ken ken a family. Could you walk to your family

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Speaker 4: tonight and say, you know, y'all.

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Speaker 2: Shut down for shutting down?

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Speaker 1: Shut down streaming right?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 4: No one does this except for Washington, DC. So the

480
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Speaker 4: whole idea that we have government shutdowns is just so

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Speaker 4: absurd on its face, and particularly when you have very

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Speaker 4: real human consequences. I'm like, again, I have over two

483
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Speaker 4: hundred and seventy thousand people, many of whom and who

484
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Speaker 4: have the audacity to do things like making sure that

485
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Speaker 4: our food is safe, who have the audacity of doing

486
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Speaker 4: things like making sure that we're finding the cures to diseases,

487
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Speaker 4: who are crazy enough to think that their job is

488
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Speaker 4: so special that they're trying to keep planes from colliding,

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Speaker 4: or that or that that military veterans like myself, that

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Speaker 4: that military veterans can get the medication that they need.

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Speaker 4: Like these are who you went after, and by the way,

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Speaker 4: for many of these people that you then turn around

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Speaker 4: and force them to go to work with no pay

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Speaker 4: while we have people in Washington.

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Speaker 2: Who are getting paid and not going to work, right, So.

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Speaker 4: We did so in our state, we made sure that

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Speaker 4: we were going to take care of our people. So

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Speaker 4: that's why in our state, you know, I said that

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Speaker 4: we were going to do and I worked with our

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Speaker 4: private tech to partners. I said, we're doing a moratorium

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Speaker 4: on all evictions, on all utility shut offs. You were

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Speaker 4: not going to evict our federal workers or shut their

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Speaker 4: utilities off because they are not getting paid for something

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Speaker 4: that is not their faults. That we told all of

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Speaker 4: our federal workers, all these people who are going to

506
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Speaker 4: work and not getting paid but still paying to go

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Speaker 4: to work, that I told them all all transportation that

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Speaker 4: we have in the state of Maryland, just show your badge.

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Speaker 2: Transportation for you is free. You do not have to

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Speaker 2: pay for anything.

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Speaker 4: And that we had to do things like and then

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Speaker 4: we saw a situation where you are to president of

513
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Speaker 4: the United States who's doing things like breaking the law

514
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Speaker 4: and trying to cut off SNAP despite the fact that

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Speaker 4: by the way, twenty eight thousand SNAP recipients in our

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Speaker 4: state are military veterans, one in one in one in four.

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Speaker 2: Of our federal workers are military veterans.

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Speaker 4: So I love this for a person who claims to

519
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Speaker 4: love the military, and the first thing you're doing is going.

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Speaker 2: After our veterans.

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Speaker 4: So the federal governm should never have been shut down

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Speaker 4: in the first place. However, I will say this how

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Speaker 4: deeply inhumane it is and it was to think that

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Speaker 4: a good compromise is that a prerequisite for reopening the

525
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Speaker 4: government is kicking people off of health care or having

526
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Speaker 4: premiums jump by eighty and ninety percent. So I am

527
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Speaker 4: very glad the federal government is reopened. I'm very glad

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Speaker 4: that we can stop doing stupid things like shutting down

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Speaker 4: our federal government. But I do want to be very

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Speaker 4: and I know I didn't have a vote, so no

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Speaker 4: one asked me my opinion, but I do want.

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Speaker 2: To be very clear.

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Speaker 4: I would you would never find anything ever with my

534
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Speaker 4: signature on it, that thinks it's okay to kick people

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Speaker 4: off of health care as somehow That means you have

536
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Speaker 4: a justifiable or you have a functioning government. If you

537
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Speaker 4: were kicking people off of health care, it means your

538
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Speaker 4: government is not functioning, and we have to be very

539
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Speaker 4: very clear about that.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask about.

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Speaker 1: When the president was starting to pick on other cities

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Speaker 1: after he picked on Washington, Baltimore was mentioned, and you

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Speaker 1: did an interest. You made an interesting decision. You said, no,

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Speaker 1: we don't want the National Guard here, that's a mistake. However,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to bring in UH state police to assist

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Speaker 1: in Baltimore. Frankly, I thought that was pretty politically savvy.

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Speaker 1: But I will ask this, Does that mean Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: has a point about our cities?

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Speaker 2: Not at all? So why did you do it? Well,

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Speaker 2: I didn't.

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Speaker 4: The reason I did it, it wasn't a response to Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump at all. You know, when I first became the

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Speaker 4: governor of Maryland, we had a violence crisis in our state.

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Speaker 4: In twenty twenty two, the year before I became the governor,

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Speaker 4: Baltimore City was averaging about a homicide a day. That

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Speaker 4: if you look at the eight years before I became

557
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Speaker 4: the governor Maryland was Maryland average. The Maryland homicide rate

558
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Speaker 4: had doubled over an eight year period. The non fatal

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Speaker 4: shooting rate did double.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what's the cause?

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Speaker 1: How much of it was COVID, how much of it's

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Speaker 1: something else?

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Speaker 2: Well, no, I think there's a whole bunch of reasons.

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Speaker 4: I thought you think it had one if when you

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Speaker 4: neglect communities and you allow hope to leave, violence will

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Speaker 4: enter and will fill the space. I think we had

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Speaker 4: a very real issue when it came to law enforcement,

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Speaker 4: and I think, you know, when I talked about, you know,

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Speaker 4: the book that I wrote five days, how there was

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Speaker 4: a steep cutoff and fall off of law enforcement people

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Speaker 4: who were signing up, who are staying on the role.

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Speaker 4: And so there's a few things that I did because

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Speaker 4: I was very clear, I said from Jump Street when

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Speaker 4: I knew the crisis we had, I'm not going to

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Speaker 4: spend my eight years just giving eulogies and offering thoughts

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Speaker 4: and prayers that we're actually going to address the issue.

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Speaker 4: And so when I came on board, we made historic

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Speaker 4: investments in local law enforcement and making sure you had

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Speaker 4: not just boots on the ground, but saying we can

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Speaker 4: have a police force that moves with appropriate intensity and

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Speaker 4: absolute integrity and full accountability. That we said we're going

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Speaker 4: to invest in technologies and basically saying you can utilize

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Speaker 4: technologies to make sure that if someone commits a violent crime,

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Speaker 4: particularly a violent crime with a firearm, I want them

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Speaker 4: in handcuffs in twenty four hours. And also we said

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Speaker 4: we're going to invest in our community, community violence intervention groups,

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Speaker 4: community violence interruption groups, because so much of the violence

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Speaker 4: that we were seeing in our communities it was retaliatory

589
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Speaker 4: by nature, and so you must invest in community to

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Speaker 4: be able to help to address those issues. When so

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Speaker 4: here was the reality when Donald Trump started making his

592
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Speaker 4: threats that for the past two and a half years,

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Speaker 4: there is no state that has seen a faster drop

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Speaker 4: off when it comes to violent crime than this state

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Speaker 4: of Maryland. That the last time the homicide rate was

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Speaker 4: this slow in Baltimore City, I wasn't born yet. That

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Speaker 4: we are literally watching historic drops in violent crime, historic

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Speaker 4: drops and property crime and auto thefts and carjackings and

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Speaker 4: homicides and non fatal shootings. And the President wants to

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Speaker 4: look at us like we're the problem. I said, mister President,

601
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Speaker 4: you don't need to look at us like we're the problem. Actually,

602
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 4: you should look at us like we're the solution. And

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Speaker 4: if you want to spend time, if you want to

604
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Speaker 4: spend time actually learning instead of bloviating from the Oval

605
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Speaker 4: office these like nineteen eighties Archie Bunker, you know, you know,

606
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Speaker 4: then you should come spend some time with us.

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Speaker 1: So I'm did you offer to take him for a while.

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 4: I offered it take him for a walk. I told

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Speaker 4: him if it was too long a walk, I would

611
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Speaker 4: get him a golf cart. I you know, you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm I I mean, but because the thing about

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Speaker 4: it is, and this is also why it was so

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Speaker 4: offensive to me. You know, he uses the military like

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Speaker 4: it's some form of like some like these childish toy soldiers.

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Speaker 4: And it's just really rich because he's someone who does

617
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Speaker 4: not know what it means to put on the uniform.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't know what it means to say good by

619
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Speaker 4: to your family. He doesn't know what it means. He

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00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 4: does not know what it means to be willing to

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Speaker 4: put your life on the line for the person to

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Speaker 4: your left or to your right. And as someone who does,

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Speaker 4: as someone who served my country, as someone who led

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Speaker 4: soldiers in combat, I just found it deeply offensive that

625
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Speaker 4: his solution to this was this, this, you know, this

626
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 4: childish endeavor of saying, well, we'll just send the National.

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Speaker 2: Guard into cities.

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Speaker 4: And let's be very clear if there was any data

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Speaker 4: to show that this would actually work. Again, I'm a

630
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Speaker 4: data driven person. Here is the problem. There is no data.

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Speaker 4: This was not a data driven decision. This was an

632
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Speaker 4: emotive splurge that the President has a habit of making.

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Speaker 4: And so if you look at what's happened, even when

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Speaker 4: he's deployed National Guard to Washington, d C. And these

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Speaker 4: other places, here's what I can tell you. The National

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Speaker 4: Guard members who are not trained for municipal policing. That

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Speaker 4: is not what they are trained for. And I know

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Speaker 4: that because I am the commander in chief of the

639
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Speaker 4: Maryland National Guard, and I know what my people are

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Speaker 4: trained for. And they are supposed to be deployed during

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Speaker 4: times of emergency, during times of crisis. They are not

642
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 4: there to perform performative stunts. And so the truth is

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Speaker 4: that we've had members of the National Guard who have

644
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Speaker 4: taken more.

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Speaker 2: Selfies than done arrests.

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Speaker 4: We have members of the National Guard who have picked

647
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 4: up more trash than actually condructed drug busts. And so

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Speaker 4: the issue that I had, of the multiple issues that

649
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Speaker 4: I have with the President when he was threatening to

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Speaker 4: do this and trying to make these, you know, these

651
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Speaker 4: ridiculous comments about me and members of our National.

652
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: Guard, is how deeply disrespectful it is to members of

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Speaker 2: our military.

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Speaker 4: Because these are people who are willing to risk their

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Speaker 4: lives if necessary because they trust that their commander in

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Speaker 4: chief is taking their lives seriously. They trusted the directions

657
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Speaker 4: that the commander in chief are making are not just lawful,

658
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Speaker 4: but informed. And they trusted their commander in chief would

659
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Speaker 4: never put them in a situation that they are not

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Speaker 4: trained for, and never put them in a situation that

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Speaker 4: they are not prepared to excel in. And I found

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Speaker 4: it just deeply disrespectful to our national Guard, deeply disrespectful

663
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Speaker 4: to their family members to ask them to do these

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Speaker 4: quixotic missions simply because the president is trying to prove.

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Speaker 2: A political point.

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Speaker 1: There's a reason results matter more than promises, just like

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Speaker 1: there's a reason Morgan and Morgan is America's largest injury

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Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, one client was awarded twenty six million dollars,

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Speaker 1: which was a staggering forty times the amount that the

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Speaker 1: insurance company originally offered that original offer six hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars twenty six million, six hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. So with more than one thousand lawyers across

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Speaker 1: the country, they know how to deliver for everyday people.

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Speaker 1: Their fee is free unless they win. So I read

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Speaker 1: today actually that the incoming mayor of New York City

686
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Speaker 1: has been calling various governors seeking advice on how to

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Speaker 1: deal with Donald Trump. And one of the governors he

688
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Speaker 1: called was you. Is that a correct report?

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Speaker 2: That is correct? Port? I Do you mind sharing the

690
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Speaker 2: advice you gave them? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: No, I the the advice, uh, you know, the advice

692
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Speaker 4: that I gave him is performance matters more than anything else.

693
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Speaker 4: What Donald Trump is talking about, what Donald Trump is

694
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Speaker 4: doing is performative. What people want in your jurisdiction is performance.

695
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Speaker 4: They want results. And this is actually one of the

696
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Speaker 4: big things that I think about for the Democratic Party,

697
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Speaker 4: where you know, people are like, well, what's the message

698
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Speaker 4: for the Democratic Party? Like the Democrats don't have a

699
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 4: messaging problem. The Democrats have a results problem. You've got

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Speaker 4: to actually deliver results, and and and and the and

701
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Speaker 4: the thing that I'm very clear about is that if

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Speaker 4: you you know when you say when when the present

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Speaker 4: is like, we need to talk more about affordability, No,

704
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Speaker 4: you need to address affordability, sir. You don't need to

705
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Speaker 4: talk about affordability. You need to make sure we're doing

706
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Speaker 4: things like making sure that housing is more available because

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Speaker 4: one of the leading causes for people to leave jurisdictions

708
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Speaker 4: is rising housing costs. And if you have increased demand,

709
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Speaker 4: which means more people coming to an area, the thing

710
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Speaker 4: you have to do to address it is you have

711
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 4: to increase supply. You have to build more housing, and

712
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Speaker 4: you have to build it fast. Right if you really,

713
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Speaker 4: if you really want to address things like rising energy,

714
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Speaker 4: cause it's not just talking about rising energy costs. You

715
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Speaker 4: need to have more energy options, and you need to

716
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Speaker 4: stop doing what we're watching the president do where in

717
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 4: our in our state, I'm very clear that we want

718
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Speaker 4: to be able to explore all energy options because you

719
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Speaker 4: want to increase supply. So that means why are we

720
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Speaker 4: not looking at investing in things like solar, Why are

721
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Speaker 4: we not investing in win, Why are we not investing

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Speaker 4: in nuclear? And look at nuclears a clean energy option.

723
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Speaker 4: But no, but the President still continue to take an

724
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Speaker 4: ideological perspective to it and then turn around and say, well,

725
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Speaker 4: let's blame democrats why prices are going up? And so

726
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Speaker 4: the thing and the council that I that I really

727
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Speaker 4: gain is that like, listen, you know, don't don't get distracted,

728
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Speaker 4: stay focused, and stay focused on delivering the results that

729
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Speaker 4: the people of your jurisdiction need.

730
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Speaker 2: And if you do that, you're gonna be fine.

731
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Speaker 1: It does seem as if you only deal with you

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Speaker 1: only respond, You only respond to Trump. You don't seem

733
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Speaker 1: to seek out confrontation with Hi.

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Speaker 4: I have no desire to pick a fight with the

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Speaker 4: President of the United States, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: But I refuse to let the President of the United States,

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Speaker 4: you know, pick on my people where I've been very

738
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Speaker 4: clear with the people of my state, like I will

739
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Speaker 4: work with anyone, but I will bow down to no

740
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Speaker 4: one and I will not let and I'm not going

741
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Speaker 4: to let the people of my state become a pincushion

742
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Speaker 4: for his.

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Speaker 2: For his uh, you know, for his childish sportness.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to drop the Trump subject. Heure after this

745
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Speaker 1: one last question. He's won two terms for president. What

746
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Speaker 1: does he do? What does he do well that has

747
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Speaker 1: allowed him to get elected twice?

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Speaker 2: H what have you learned anything from him? No? Absolutely,

749
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Speaker 2: and listen, I think we will be. We would be.

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Speaker 2: We can spend all night.

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Speaker 4: Long talking about the dangers of what he is doing

752
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Speaker 4: and how we literally have a president of United States

753
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Speaker 4: who is using the Constitution like it's a suggestion box.

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Speaker 2: I think I wish he did use it as a

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Speaker 2: suggestion thought.

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Speaker 4: Actually he should take more suggestions. But we would also

757
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Speaker 4: be foolish not to acknowledge the speed in which he

758
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Speaker 4: moves where.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think about it this way, where you.

760
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Speaker 1: Didn't care about institutions and whether they have to write

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Speaker 1: their own version of the memo before you get to

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Speaker 1: institute implement your plan.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: Oftentimes everything from Democrats is like an eight year research paper.

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Speaker 4: It's like, well, let's do another analysis of the analysis

766
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Speaker 4: that we concluded of the last analysis.

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Speaker 1: You need to make sure to approve a committee to

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Speaker 1: do that analysis.

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Speaker 4: By the way, Donald Trump did not need a two

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Speaker 4: year commission to decide he was going to start a

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Speaker 4: trade war. Donald Trump did not need a four year

772
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Speaker 4: analysis to decide that he was going to break the

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Speaker 4: law and kick children off of snap. Donald Trump did

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Speaker 4: not need need a eighteen person commission to decide that

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Speaker 4: he was going to take parts of the Constitution and

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Speaker 4: literally pick and choose which judge's orders he would follow

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Speaker 4: and not. And I just think that the Democratic Party

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Speaker 4: has got to stop being the party of no and

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Speaker 4: slow and starting the party of Yes. And now I

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Speaker 4: think the Democratic Party have got to start moving faster.

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Speaker 4: I think the Democratic Party have got to be start

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Speaker 4: being more more deliberate. I think the Democratic Party has

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Speaker 4: got to stop making everything a tenth grade debate Club

784
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Speaker 4: research paper.

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Speaker 2: And I just.

786
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Speaker 4: Believe that, you know, there is something that we do

787
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Speaker 4: understand that he actually does that he moves with a

788
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Speaker 4: level of speed and frankly, Donald Trump, and I said,

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump is a fantastic vessel for the frustration. He's

790
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Speaker 4: someone who's going to tell you what's wrong with it.

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Speaker 4: He's going to see someone who's going to tell you

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Speaker 4: who broke it, who's to blame for it, and why

793
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Speaker 4: he alone can fix it.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump is a vessel for the frustration, but he's

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Speaker 4: not a vehicle for the solution. I think the answer

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00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 4: that the Democrats have got to do is we've got

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Speaker 4: to start being the vehicle for the solution and stop

799
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Speaker 4: pretending like these problems are not problems. Because if we

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Speaker 4: start moving with a sense of speed to address the

801
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Speaker 4: issue that if we can have, if our solutions actually

802
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Speaker 4: match the speed in which people's lives are falling apart,

803
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Speaker 4: then you're not going to have election problems anymore.

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Speaker 2: But that's the thing I think we've got to learn

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Speaker 2: from him.

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Speaker 1: Let's you brought up affordability, and you brought up electricity,

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Speaker 1: and this is this is It looks like the electric

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Speaker 1: bill in twenty twenty six is going to be what

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Speaker 1: the price of eggs was in twenty twenty four, right,

810
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Speaker 1: meaning this is going to be an issue. We're seeing

811
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Speaker 1: it everywhere. Right, It was a big issue in New Jersey.

812
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Speaker 1: I'm a Virginian. Laden county is on fire about these

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Speaker 1: data centers. Maryland's in an interesting spot right as far

814
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Speaker 1: as where you places on the grid, and you know

815
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Speaker 1: you're having to have more transmission lines right are coming

816
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Speaker 1: through the state in order to power these data centers

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Speaker 1: in the v of the d m V. And yet

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Speaker 1: the way we do electric bills it's all state regulated

819
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Speaker 1: and all of that stuff. This feels like we are

820
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Speaker 1: we're sort of a slow motion train wreck where suddenly

821
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Speaker 1: government's going to get left with a huge tab to

822
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Speaker 1: subsidize a whole bunch of people who can't afford electricity anymore.

823
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Speaker 1: What what what can be done proactively in your state

824
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Speaker 1: to lessen the impact of what is clearly going to

825
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Speaker 1: be a surgeon electrical uh, a surgeon use off the grid,

826
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Speaker 1: which is just going to raise all of our electric bills.

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Speaker 4: And it's it's it's it's insane that we've even gotten

828
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Speaker 4: here in the first place, because there's just been a

829
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Speaker 4: deep level of negligence that is that's existed.

830
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Speaker 1: You know, we have now you don't have to tell

831
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Speaker 1: Texans about a power grid issue, that's true. I think

832
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Speaker 1: they're well aware and laugh about it.

833
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Speaker 2: You know, it's real.

834
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Speaker 1: Let's hope there's not a tough winner here, that's right, right,

835
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Speaker 1: They have a tough winner. That grid goes down, all

836
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Speaker 1: of us may pay a price across the country.

837
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Speaker 4: I'll say, And it's not just y'all that will pay

838
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Speaker 4: it pay pay a larger price.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it will be the entire country. Right.

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Speaker 4: So there's a there's a few different things that I

841
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Speaker 4: think we have just completely missed a boat on. We've

842
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Speaker 4: missed a boat when it comes to understanding the level

843
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Speaker 4: of surging, surging demand that exists. And it's not just

844
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Speaker 4: it's not even just surging demand that you have from

845
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Speaker 4: UH companies and technology, it's also just the human surge

846
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Speaker 4: of demand that has now existed that we have not

847
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Speaker 4: made the investments when it comes to grid technology. We

848
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Speaker 4: have not made the investments when it comes to pipeline

849
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Speaker 4: and when you do have a few of these operators

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Speaker 4: for example, you know, and for for us it's it's

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Speaker 4: it's PJM where you know where there's about thirteen states

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Speaker 4: that PGM covers down on where the processes are opaque,

853
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Speaker 4: the processes are convoluted, and the processes are things that frankly,

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Speaker 4: for a lot of the states we don't have a

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Speaker 4: measure of involvement in and so we have PJAM, who

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Speaker 4: will then make decisions about which projects they will then

857
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Speaker 4: allow without the input that's coming from us, from from

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Speaker 4: our individual states, from Pennsylvania, from Maryland, from Virginia, from

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Speaker 4: all from Jersey, from all these other states.

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Speaker 1: But your state regulatory agency with the power companies doesn't

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Speaker 1: have any impact on this, can.

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Speaker 4: We because because they are they are an independent soution

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Speaker 4: with rates. All they do is just approve rates well.

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Speaker 2: And what they do is they prove projects okay.

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Speaker 4: And so the problem is is that if you have

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Speaker 4: a chow point for projects that allow to come on board,

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Speaker 4: it means that you have a decreased supply. And so

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Speaker 4: I think you have to have reform within PGAM.

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Speaker 2: You have to.

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Speaker 4: Allow and be speedier about putting more projects that allowed

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Speaker 4: to come on board. We have to do a better

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Speaker 4: job of diversifying the type of energy options that we have.

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Speaker 4: If you can do that, you're then able to increase

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Speaker 4: the supply that's then able to address the supply and

875
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 4: demand curve. The problem is is that we have found

876
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 4: ourselves in a situation that for a decade plus there

877
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 4: has not been this type of investment and so now

878
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 4: you come up with a situation where you have a

879
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 4: crisis situation and something where people are now watching their

880
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 4: energy bills continue to skyrocket for the same exact product line.

881
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 4: And so I agree, I think this is one of

882
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 4: the crucial issues that we've got to be able to

883
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 4: sort on, and frankly, something that no individual state alone

884
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 4: is going to have to figure out. It's going to

885
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 4: take really a coordination between all of our individual states

886
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 4: to do it.

887
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: I hear you, but look, you're in an election year.

888
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: People are going to want some They're going to want

889
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: some help right now. Yes, what could you do in

890
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: the state level?

891
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 4: Well, can we can help when it comes to things

892
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 4: like like, for example, just a few weeks ago, I

893
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 4: just put an additional ten million dollars that is going

894
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 4: towards energy prices and energy bills as we're coming up

895
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 4: to as we're coming up to our winner seats and

896
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 4: helping with heating bills. So we've done rebates that have

897
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 4: gone back to the people, to the people of our state.

898
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 4: So there are things that we can do to help

899
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 4: out with the immediate pain, but I think that has

900
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 4: to be matched with also additional.

901
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 2: Investments that's can be made to deal with the.

902
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 4: Long term processes because none of us have an interests

903
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 4: or frankly, there is no state that has a balance

904
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 4: sheet to continue just finding more expensive band aids. We've

905
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 4: got to actually fix the wound that is causing increased demand.

906
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 4: But where supply is just not keeping up or matching

907
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 4: with it.

908
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: What should all these AI tech companies that are skyrocketing

909
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: the stock market, they have these incredible valuations, they're building

910
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 1: these data centers and look, there's it's not every state

911
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: where the data centers are causing this problem. It's some

912
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: states that they are, some that they aren't.

913
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: And some data centers have no I have their own.

914
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: Power centers and all of that. What I guess the

915
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: question is, if somebody wants to build a data center

916
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: in Maryland, what does that What would a Microsoft have

917
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: to do or an IBM if they wanted to build

918
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: a data center in Maryland, what would you want them

919
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: to do to minimize the impact on your residence?

920
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: Well, I think there's a few things.

921
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 4: One is, and I've been very clear, and we've actually

922
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 4: you know, had projects that we say are not going

923
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 4: to move forward, because if you're not moving forward with

924
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 4: the community, then things cannot move forward.

925
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: These aren't job creators? Are they these data centers.

926
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 4: Well, they're job creators, but they're not job creators. And

927
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 4: when you're looking at that long term job creators, no,

928
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 4: and and not massive job creators. Right, So listen, I

929
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 4: am actually I believe that we need to do a

930
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 4: better job of critical infrastructure. I believe that our state

931
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 4: needs to do more to invite critical infrastructure. I also, though,

932
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 4: believe that nothing can or will happen in my state

933
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 4: without the impact.

934
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: Of the community.

935
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 4: And I think the community will always have the final

936
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 4: say with me. It's part of the reason that I

937
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 4: have a lot of issues with some of these projects

938
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 4: that PGA, going back to PJAM that they then put

939
00:47:55,719 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 4: on board, where you were literally putting together lines and

940
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 4: transmission lines and you're looking at them, you're putting it

941
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 4: throughout my map without realizing that people actually live there,

942
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 4: like it's a game about where they are placing this

943
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 4: without any form of feedback from us or any former

944
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 4: feedback from the community. And so I believe that we

945
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 4: need to invest in critical infrastructure. I believe that when

946
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 4: we're talking about the future of AI and cyber and quantum,

947
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 4: that these are things that I want my state to

948
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 4: be not just a national but a global leader in

949
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 4: But I also know that this has to happen in

950
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 4: partnership with the community. This is not going to be

951
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 4: what we're doing to the community. It has to be

952
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 4: what we're doing actually with the community in these build outs.

953
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: Are you working with any of these companies that have

954
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: taken that attitude? Oh?

955
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 4: Well, we are, because for all these companies, they understand

956
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 4: if you're not taking that attitude, then you're not doing projects.

957
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: In my state. You before you were a politician.

958
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 1: I first met you when you were CEO of something

959
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: called the robin Hood Foundation yea in New York City.

960
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:05,919
Speaker 1: It's a credible charitable organization primarily funded by the Wall

961
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: Street folks.

962
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Speaker 5: Right.

963
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: Would you say fair? Yeah?

964
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: I say this because Wall Street money, right, is a

965
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: dirty word in the Democratic Party today.

966
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:18,919
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I want to give you a chance.

967
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, make your case for why Democrats shouldn't be so

968
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: skeptical of Wall Street.

969
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 4: Well, I think about the work that I did at

970
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 4: robin hoodon and it's this idea that for each and

971
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 4: every one of us, we should understand the scourge that poverty,

972
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 4: and particularly child poverty is in our society. I mean fundamentally,

973
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 4: that's actually the reason why I ran. That's really the

974
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 4: reason why I ran for governor in the first place,

975
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Speaker 4: is you know, when I was talking with you know,

976
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 4: I remember actually talking with a board member, Robin Hood,

977
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 4: and when I told him, I think I'm gonna leave

978
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna go run for governor. And he said, well,

979
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 4: what is she doing to work on? I'm like, I

980
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 4: want to work on things like child poverty. I want

981
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 4: to work on things like the racial wealth gap. And

982
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 4: he's like, but you're doing that here. Why would you

983
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 4: leave and run for office? And I remember looking at

984
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 4: him and saying, and.

985
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: Acquire a whole bunch of extra bureaucracy to do those things.

986
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 2: Sometimes, right now, that's right, yeah.

987
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 4: And I remember looking at him and I said to him,

988
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 4: why do you think poverty exists in the first place?

989
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 4: Like do you think poverty exists because one group is

990
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 4: just not working hard enough? Like we have poverty because

991
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 4: we have policies that allow it to exist. We have

992
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 4: poverty because we have policies that put people in poverty

993
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 4: and keep them in poverty. We have a wealth gap,

994
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 4: not because one group is working eight times harder. But

995
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 4: there are policies that allow this to exist. And so

996
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 4: I think that the only way you're actually going to

997
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 4: address it that you know, I remember doctor King had

998
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 4: a quote that sat on my desk where it said,

999
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 4: philanthropy is commendable, but the philanthropists can never forget the

1000
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 4: economic injustice that makes philanthropy necessary. And my whole thing

1001
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 4: is this is that for our philanthropists, what you're doing

1002
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 4: is good, but if you do not understand why the

1003
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 4: policies that are being put in place, the policies for example,

1004
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 4: like we saw where you know, the big beautiful Bill

1005
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 4: that was the largest upwards consolidation of wealth in world history,

1006
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 4: that literally was just making it. It created all these

1007
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 4: challenges so billionaires could get a tax cut, and so

1008
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 4: I have. And if you look at what we did

1009
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 4: in the state of Maryland where we actually did an

1010
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 4: adjustment to our tax code, where we gave the middle

1011
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 4: class a tax cut in my state.

1012
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 2: And yes, I asked.

1013
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 4: Wealthy Marylanders to pay more because I said, I have

1014
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 4: no problem asking those who have done very well and

1015
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 4: who have benefited from the society that has been created,

1016
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 4: to say, I'm asking you to pay a little bit

1017
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 4: more so we don't have to lay off police officers

1018
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 4: and firefighters, so we don't have to lay off school teachers,

1019
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 4: so we can make sure that we can have safe

1020
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 4: communities and have the best public education system inside the country.

1021
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 4: And so I'm a person who says and believes deeply

1022
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 4: like I don't you know when people say, you know,

1023
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 4: do you lose sleep over billionaires? I said, I don't

1024
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 4: lose sleep over billionaires. I want billionaires to pay their

1025
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 4: fair share. But I don't lose sleep over billionaires. I

1026
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 4: lose sleep over how many people we have living in poverty.

1027
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 4: And I think we need to stay focused on ensuring

1028
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 4: that if we can create a more equitable society, and

1029
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 4: if we can create a society that listen, if you

1030
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 4: do well, congratulations, God bless you. But what I am

1031
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 4: saying is this, you cannot do well just simply on

1032
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 4: the backs of working people and then not expect that

1033
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 4: there should be some form of way that we should

1034
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 4: have a tax system that is a fair tax system.

1035
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: That allows you to be able to give back into

1036
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 2: the society that you benefit the front. There is a

1037
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 2: poll that was out a couple weeks ago.

1038
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: By my former posters, I call them my phone more posters,

1039
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: I miss my guys at UH that we do the

1040
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 1: NBC News poll with but plurality of Democrats. Democrats were

1041
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: the only political group that had a net negative view

1042
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 1: of capitalism and a net positive.

1043
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 2: View of socialism.

1044
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: Why do you think that is?

1045
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: Well?

1046
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, I'm not sure if people if you

1047
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 4: ask people the benefits of you know, what is socialism

1048
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 4: or what is capitalism, that people would.

1049
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: Actually give you an understanding of what that. I don't

1050
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: think they know the definitions.

1051
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 4: No, I mean, like I honestly, like I remember, you know,

1052
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 4: I remember having a conversation with somebody who actually lives

1053
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 4: up in New York and this was actually during during

1054
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,959
Speaker 4: uh the primary for the mayor's race, and they were

1055
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 4: like all in on Mamdani and so I was like, oh,

1056
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 4: that's that's cool. So I was like, so, you know,

1057
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 4: so you know what excites you there telling me all

1058
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 4: this stuff? And I was like, are you democratic socialists?

1059
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 4: And they're like, what's that? Like?

1060
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 2: They didn't. They weren't making the connect.

1061
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 4: That got sh And I think for a lot of people,

1062
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 4: the idea of what is a capitalist, what is a socialist?

1063
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 2: What is this?

1064
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 4: Was that I think if you ask people fundamentally, like

1065
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 4: what do you believe in? Like, I can tell you,

1066
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 4: like what I believe in, Like I believe that that

1067
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 4: that not everyone should end up in the same spot,

1068
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 4: but everyone should have a fair shot. I believe that

1069
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 4: we actually should be a society that believes opportunity is

1070
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 4: a real thing and not a punchline.

1071
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,760
Speaker 1: Equal access not equal outcomes.

1072
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and that and that we all shouldn't have

1073
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 4: the same equal solution for everybody. I mean, it's the

1074
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 4: reason that, for example, that we have made the largest

1075
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 4: investments in trade and apprenticeship programs inside of our state

1076
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 4: because I'm very clear, like we have some of the

1077
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 4: best four year colleges in America and something that I'm

1078
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 4: very proud of in the state of Maryland. But I'm

1079
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 4: also very clear I am going to end this lie

1080
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 4: that every single one of our students needs to attend

1081
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 4: one of them in order to be economically successful. It's

1082
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 4: just not true that we are going that we've eliminated

1083
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 4: this idea that we're evaluating high schools based on your

1084
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 4: four year college acceptance rates. That's an input, but it's

1085
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 4: not a key performance indicator. It's basically saying that like,

1086
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 4: how do we make sure that we're having opportunities for

1087
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 4: people to be able to live out their God given

1088
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 4: opportunities and God given potential that people should have a

1089
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 4: chance to pursue work and wages and wealth and know

1090
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 4: that there's not one singular path in order to get there,

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Speaker 4: you know. And I tell people like, listen, I joined

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Speaker 4: the army when I was seventeen years old, Right, I

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Speaker 4: think I'm the only governor in this country who graduated

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Speaker 4: from a two year college, right, you know, I and

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Speaker 4: you know, and things worked out pretty well. So it's like,

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Speaker 4: so there is no one singular path that we want

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Speaker 4: people to go down. And I think when we're just

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Speaker 4: talking about what does it mean to have a society

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Speaker 4: that works for everybody?

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Speaker 2: I believe that we need to know I am a capitalist.

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Speaker 4: I also, though, believe that we need to make sure

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Speaker 4: that we have a fair enoughable society as well.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the S word is a branding problem

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Speaker 1: the socialism? No.

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Speaker 4: I think that we need to make sure that our

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Speaker 4: society actually works for people. And when you have a

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Speaker 4: situation where, you know, I don't think that the answer

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00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 4: for how do we fix society is complete redistribution.

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Speaker 2: I think the way you.

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Speaker 4: Actually fix society is you remove the barriers that are

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Speaker 4: keeping people from participating and competing in the first place.

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Speaker 4: I think one of the biggest ills we have on

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Speaker 4: society right now is a level of concentrated poverty, and

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Speaker 4: not just concentrated poverty, but generational poverty that we have

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Speaker 4: within our state. It's the reason that we in Maryland

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Speaker 4: pass something called the Enough Initiative, which stands for engaging neighborhoods, organizations, unions, governments,

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Speaker 4: and households basically everybody. And it is the most aggressive,

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Speaker 4: most aggressive place based strategy that this nation has seen

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Speaker 4: to address the issue of concentrated and generational childhood poverty.

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Speaker 4: That I believe that we need to be able to

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Speaker 4: address the racial wealth gap, because the problem with the

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00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 4: racial wealth gap is that it doesn't just hurt one group.

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Speaker 4: Is that the racial wealth gap has cost this country

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Speaker 4: sixteen trillion dollars in GDP.

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Speaker 2: Over the past two decades. That's GDP.

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Speaker 4: And so if you really want to have an economy

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Speaker 4: that works for everybody, have an economy that actually everybody

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Speaker 4: can participate.

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Speaker 1: In, you the issue of reparations became a bit of

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Speaker 1: a of a back and forth with your legislature, particularly,

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Speaker 1: I think the Black legislatures there. We've been studying this

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Speaker 1: for decades. Yes, why don't why hasn't it happened?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 4: And the reason when this came up in the General

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Speaker 4: Assembly and they passed another commission, Yes, another study, your

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00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 4: study and frankly this this.

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Speaker 1: By the way, let me I apologize. I forgot to

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Speaker 1: tell you guys about questions. And we're a couple of

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Speaker 1: minutes away from him taking your question, so hurry up

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Speaker 1: and get him in.

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Speaker 2: They're up there.

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Speaker 1: I was a bad moderator anyway, Governor going.

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Speaker 4: So, so if you look, if you look at our state,

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Speaker 4: we have we have done four studies over the past

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Speaker 4: twenty years dealing.

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Speaker 2: With this these types of issues.

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Speaker 4: Sure, and I know that for a fact because one

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00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 4: of which my wife worked on it. And so when

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00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 4: a bill was passed for me to do another study,

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Speaker 4: I vetoed it, and I vetoed it because I'm like,

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, what are we studying? I don't need another

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Speaker 4: two year study on something that I already know the

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Speaker 4: answer to.

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Speaker 1: Is this about whether to do it or how to?

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Speaker 1: In your mind, should the discussion be about whether to

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Speaker 1: do it?

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Speaker 2: Or how to do it.

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Speaker 4: I think the work of repair is a now action

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Speaker 4: because there.

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Speaker 2: Is no one who needs to explain to me the

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Speaker 2: history of.

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Speaker 4: Racism that we have in the state of Maryland. Like

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00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 4: I said, Maryland is the home of redlining. We have

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Speaker 4: watched more when you look at things like unfair appraisal

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00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 4: values and historically red line neighborhoods. That has been one

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Speaker 4: of the greatest wealffts that we have seen in our

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Speaker 4: nation's history. And it was born in Maryland that we

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00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 4: have seen. How you know, when people talk with pride

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Speaker 4: about the history of Frederick Douglas and Harriet Tubman, I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: but you do understand that there's a reason that Frederick

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00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 4: Douglass and Harriet Tubman were born in Maryland and we

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00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 4: now know their stories because some of the most creative

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Speaker 4: and racist policies in our nation's history were born in Maryland.

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Speaker 4: You know, I am I am the first African I'm

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Speaker 4: the first black governor in the history of the State

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Speaker 4: of Maryland and only the third African American ever elected

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Speaker 4: in the history of the United States as governor. And

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Speaker 4: it is not because I'm only the third African American

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Speaker 4: ever qualified to be a governor, like we have to

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00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 4: be clear, there's a history to this, and so so

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Speaker 4: the reason so, the reason that I said the reason

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Speaker 4: that I said that is this when I say what

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Speaker 4: is the work of repair? The work of repair for

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Speaker 4: me does not require another two year study. The work

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Speaker 4: of repair is things like what we did where we

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Speaker 4: invested over one point three billion dollars in our states

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Speaker 4: for HBCUs, which is a sixty percent increase than what

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Speaker 4: we saw for my predecessor. The work of repair is

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Speaker 4: doing things like doing things like procurement reform, where we've

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Speaker 4: now invested over eight hundred million dollars in black owned

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Speaker 4: businesses in the state of Maryland and making sure we're

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Speaker 4: giving a fair distribution of state dollars that are.

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Speaker 2: Going to black owned businesses.

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Speaker 4: The work of repair is doing like what we did

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Speaker 4: with our Just Community Initiative, where we put four hundred

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Speaker 4: million dollars going to communities that have been historically that

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Speaker 4: have been historically discriminated against through Jim Crow, through segregation,

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Speaker 4: through mass incarceration. The work of repair is doing things

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Speaker 4: like what I did, what I did last year when

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Speaker 4: I pardoned over one hundred and seventy five thousand misdemeanor

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Speaker 4: cannabis convictions in the stroke of a pen, which is

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Speaker 4: the largest mass part in in the history of the

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Speaker 4: United States of America. That's the work of repair and

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Speaker 4: what I'm not interested in more studies. I'm interested in

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Speaker 4: actually doing the work. And that's the message that I

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Speaker 4: wanted to send.

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Speaker 1: I want to invite our friends at the Texas Tribune

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Speaker 1: up so we can get ready for the Q and

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Speaker 1: A portion here. But I'm going to do one more

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Speaker 1: question to you, of course, the question that annoying people

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Speaker 1: like me are going to ask you a lot between

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Speaker 1: now and the filing deadline in New Hampshire. You have said,

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Speaker 1: but you have said I'm not running for president in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight. It is not your fault that none

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Speaker 1: of us believe you, because no. I say this because

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Speaker 1: I'm old enough to remember when Bill Clinton pledged to

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Speaker 1: serve a full four year term and one reelection in

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety and he did not serve that full four

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Speaker 1: year term. I'm old enough to remember when Barack Obama

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Speaker 1: came on Meet the Present said he's not running, and

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Speaker 1: then six months later came on Meet the President and said,

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Speaker 1: will I've got to change a heart. So why should

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Speaker 1: we believe you that you're not running in twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: Well, first, because I'm not.

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Speaker 4: But but but also you know what sherman esque means, right, Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 4: you got German askue it if you know if nominated,

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Speaker 4: you will not you will not accept it. I am,

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Speaker 4: And this is this is this is a very a

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Speaker 4: very honest answer where I realize how much I'm playing

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Speaker 4: with house money right now. I am I'm probably the

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Speaker 4: most improbable governor in this country. Where I'm I'm literally

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Speaker 4: a person who watched my dad die in front of

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Speaker 4: me when I was three years old because he didn't

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Speaker 4: get the healthcare he needed. I'm a person who had

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Speaker 4: handcuffed my wrist by the time I was eleven.

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01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 2: I'm a person who watched my.

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Speaker 4: Mom, who is an immigrant, single mom, not get her

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Speaker 4: first job that gave her benefits until I was fourteen,

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01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 4: not get a job that allowed her to work one

1240
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 4: job instead of multiple jobs until I was fourteen years old.

1241
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Speaker 4: And I'm now the sixty third governor of my state.

1242
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 4: And I love my work. I love the fact that

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01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 4: we have made Maryland has gone from being forty third

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Speaker 4: in the country and unemployment to now going a year

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Speaker 4: and a half of having amongst the lowest unemployment rates

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Speaker 4: in the entire country, That Maryland has had amongst the

1247
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Speaker 4: fastest drops in violent crime anywhere in America. That Maryland

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Speaker 4: now is the first state in the country that has

1249
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Speaker 4: a service year option for all of our high school graduates.

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Speaker 4: That Maryland, that Maryland is now the first state in

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Speaker 4: the country that actually has a playspation initiative to deal

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Speaker 4: with the issue of generational concentrated childhood poverty. That we've

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Speaker 4: been able to turn a deficit into a surplus and

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Speaker 4: give the middle class a tax cut, like I am

1255
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 4: playing with house money right now. And so I uh no,

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Speaker 4: it's a note. It's a note because I mean, I listen,

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Speaker 4: I know that I've got I've gotten out four hundred

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Speaker 4: and thirty six days before I go back in front

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Speaker 4: of the people of my state and ask them for

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Speaker 4: another four years.

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Speaker 2: And it's asked that I take very seriously. Actually, it's

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Speaker 2: a little lesson that I think, right, actual, Yeah, that's right,

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Speaker 2: that's till my next inauguration. View that's right.

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Speaker 6: Oh, listen to running back now, that's kind of runnell

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Speaker 6: my next my next inauguration. Yeah, yeah, I will see

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Speaker 6: see the microphone to our friends at the Texas.

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Speaker 2: Tribune and we hear from you.

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Speaker 5: Cameron with the Texas Tribune, thank you so much for

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Speaker 5: your great questions. First one USI and Pico from Austin

1270
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Speaker 5: ask what is one policy you support that the Democratic

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Speaker 5: Party avoids.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting because I mean, like I I and I say,

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Speaker 4: I say, I say this. I say this in context

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Speaker 4: where I was not the choice of the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 4: You know, when I when I first ran for governor,

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01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 4: I ran against three statewide elected officials. I ran against

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Speaker 4: two Obama cabinet secretaries. I ran against the former head

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Speaker 4: of the DNC, and like me, the one who had

1279
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 4: no political experience at all. And I laugh and I say,

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Speaker 4: you know, when I told my family I was running

1281
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Speaker 4: for governor, I like, I had to convince my family

1282
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 4: to vote for me. And it's not that we're not cool,

1283
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 4: like we're cool, it's I had to convince many members

1284
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Speaker 4: of my family to vote. So I don't I don't

1285
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Speaker 4: really consider myself to be a creature of a party.

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Speaker 4: I mean I think about it this way where you

1287
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 4: know where uh you know, when you know, over this

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Speaker 4: process of this past year for example, Uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: when I was very clear to members of the Democratic

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Speaker 4: Party in my state, we have a Democratic housel and

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Speaker 4: Democratic Senate, and I told the people of my party,

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Speaker 4: I said, listen, if anything is sent to my desk

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Speaker 4: that I believe infringes upon my executive authority or makes

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Speaker 4: it harder for.

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Speaker 2: My cabinet secretaries do their job.

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Speaker 4: If anything is sent to my desk that is an

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Speaker 4: unfunded mandate, or if anything is sent to my desk

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Speaker 4: that is a study or or an eight year commission,

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Speaker 4: I'm vetoing it. And I ended up vetoing more bills

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Speaker 4: than any Democratic governor in the history of the state

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Speaker 4: of Maryland by five x. So I actually think there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of Democrats who would say that, well, he

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01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 4: doesn't know what's align with a lot of things that

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01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 4: we think are priorities as a party. And frankly, I'm

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Speaker 4: okay with that because I don't consider myself one who

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Speaker 4: has to get put in a box.

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Speaker 2: When we talk about our policies.

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Speaker 4: When people say, do you believe when you're addressing you know,

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Speaker 4: economic growth, are you pro business or are you pro worker?

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Speaker 4: My answer is I'm not choosing that I'm going to

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Speaker 4: make sure we're supporting workers, that we've raised a minimum wage,

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Speaker 4: that we've been able to add an apprenticeship and trade programs,

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Speaker 4: that we have a permanent child tax credit and earn

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Speaker 4: income tax credit. And I've done things like permit reform

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Speaker 4: and regulatory form reform and made it easier for businesses

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Speaker 4: to be able to come and grow. We've incentivized businesses

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Speaker 4: to come and choose and stay in the state of Maryland,

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Speaker 4: because I believe if you believe if you have business

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Speaker 4: growth and businesses choosing your areas, then that means more

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Speaker 4: people are going to be hired, more entrepreneurs are going

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Speaker 4: to be created, and you have more economic growth.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not choosing that.

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Speaker 4: I'm a person who believes we made the largest investment

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Speaker 4: in law enforcement and made the largest investment in our community.

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Speaker 4: And so I it's difficult for me to answer because

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Speaker 4: I feel like so much of what I have done

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Speaker 4: has not been a political orthodox and there is I

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Speaker 4: don't call a party leader to ask permission when I

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Speaker 4: make decisions. I make decisions on behalf of what I

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Speaker 4: think is best for my people, and you know, kind

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Speaker 4: of let the chips call with their manage.

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Speaker 5: Right Samuel from Austin asks, how do we bring back

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Speaker 5: by partisanship when the middle of the isle seems to

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Speaker 5: no longer exist?

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Samuel, I would say this.

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Speaker 4: I think the middle of the isle doesn't seem to

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Speaker 4: exist in Washington, but I don't think that's actually real

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Speaker 4: in communities and neighborhoods. I think the way you bring

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01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 4: back by partisanship is you actually show up. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I think about it this way. Where you know, I

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Speaker 4: remember on I think it was day two or day

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Speaker 4: three when I was governor. I was I had a

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Speaker 4: conversation with with a mayor of a town called Lonacone,

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Speaker 4: which is all the way in western Maryland, and he

1345
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 4: was telling me about a water crisis he was having,

1346
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Speaker 4: and he was.

1347
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:49,440
Speaker 2: On a boil of water advisory.

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Speaker 4: And when I was on the phone him, I said,

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Speaker 4: you know, mister mayor, I'm on my way. And we

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Speaker 4: headed out to western Maryland. And when I met him, uh,

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Speaker 4: he's become a good friend, a guy named a mayor Coburn.

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Speaker 4: When I met him, he said to me, he said, Governor,

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01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 4: do me a favor. Turn three hundred and sixty degrees.

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01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 4: So I turned three hundred and sixty degrees, and he said,

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Speaker 4: the only guarantee I can give you is you ain't

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Speaker 4: see a Democrat within.

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Speaker 2: Five miles of anywhere. You just looked and he said, uh.

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Speaker 2: He said, but I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 4: You're the first government has been here since nineteen ninety six,

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Speaker 4: and we've continued to work together.

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Speaker 2: We continue to work together.

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Speaker 4: When Maryland, when we had historic floods in Western Maryland,

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Speaker 4: which the President of the United States denied all federal

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Speaker 4: aid and federal lief to Western.

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Speaker 2: Maryland, the most Republican part of the state.

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Speaker 4: Literally seventy eight percent of that part of that state

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Speaker 4: voted for Donald Trump and he left them behind. And

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Speaker 4: he will not be forgiven for that. But I remember

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Speaker 4: when I announced my reelection, Samuel that that Mayor Coburn

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Speaker 4: and several other Republicans from all around the state were

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Speaker 4: the first ones to come out and endorse me. And

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Speaker 4: they came out and they said, they came out and

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Speaker 4: they said, listen, we might not agree with the governor

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Speaker 4: on everything, but I'll.

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Speaker 2: Tell you what.

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Speaker 4: He shows up and he creates a table that's big

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Speaker 4: enough for all of us. And so the thing that

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01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 4: I would say, how do you restore by partisanship is

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01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 4: don't pretend that bypartisanship is dead. What we're watching with

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Speaker 4: this reality television show in Washington, DC is not a

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Speaker 4: reflection of our communities where people are just fighting for

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Speaker 4: their people. They're just fighting to make sure that they're

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01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 4: not left behind. And I think as leaders, the reason

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Speaker 4: that we've been able to be successful in our state

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Speaker 4: with both Democrats and Republicans is because I think the

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01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 4: people of our state know that we don't get into

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01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 4: the partisan games in the back and forth.

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01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:01,759
Speaker 2: We just try to do good bye our people.

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Speaker 4: And that's why I think that you know you're watching

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01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 4: at the state level that bipartisanship is very much alive

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Speaker 4: and well.

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Speaker 5: John, the parent of a UMD student, asks what is

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01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 5: your message to those in their early twenties who grew

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01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:25,720
Speaker 5: up during COVID and are now watching the upheaval in

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01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 5: this country's institutions. Uh?

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Speaker 2: First, John, go terps. Go Terps. You know it's hard.

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Speaker 4: It's I feel bad for a lot of these students too,

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01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 4: because for a lot of them, this measure of.

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Speaker 2: Chaos and uncertainty is for it's it's.

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Speaker 4: It's defining for them, and so I understand the frustration

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01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 4: I remember when I actually gave a graduation speech to

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01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 4: the University of Maryland two years ago. They actually they

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01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 4: followed up by asking Kermit the Frog to give it

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01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 4: the year after.

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Speaker 2: I know how to feel about that, but it'd be

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01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 2: harder to follow Kermit act.

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Speaker 4: It would be hard to Actually, I'm glad it went

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01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 4: before Kermit actually, but I remember the speech that I

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01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 4: gave to the graduates. Is probably the advice that I

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01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 4: would give to John to Uh, to your to your

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01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 4: child is when people are telling you what you want

1412
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 4: to explore and what you want to study, you know,

1413
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:41,520
Speaker 4: do you choose stem do you choose life sciences?

1414
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,440
Speaker 2: Do you choose medicine? Do you choose humanities?

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01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 4: The advice that I would give them is, as they're

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01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 4: thinking about what is they want to do to prepare

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01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 4: themselves for the rest of the world, is choose tough.

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Speaker 4: Choose the thing that's going to force you to wake

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01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 4: up a little bit earlier. Choose the thing that's going

1420
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:04,719
Speaker 4: to force you to stay up a little bit later.

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01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 4: Choose the thing that's going to force you to get

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01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 4: out of your comfort zone.

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01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 2: And stay there for a while.

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Speaker 4: Because the reason that I think I've been able to

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01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:19,839
Speaker 4: adapt in this moment is I think about my experience

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01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 4: in the military, where you know, I joined when I

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01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 4: was seventeen, I became an army officer by the time

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01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 4: I was nineteen.

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01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 2: I deployed overseas.

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Speaker 4: With a unit and I led paratroopers with a unit

1431
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 4: that I actually joined when they were already in theater.

1432
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 4: That part of my job was to try to get

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01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 4: Talybond members to try to leave and to join the

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01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 4: Afghan forces and to turn their weapons and join this

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01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:58,680
Speaker 4: new Afghan government where no matter what the obstacle is

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01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 4: that comes in front of me. Now, I realized that

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01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 4: I'm never going to flinch because we're just built differently.

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01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 4: That was kind of forged out of us. And so

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01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 4: when you have a generation that's coming out of COVID

1440
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 4: and then you have them now going into Trump and

1441
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,679
Speaker 4: we have all these things that are happening, the only

1442
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 4: guarantee I can give to each and every young person

1443
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 4: inside of my state is challenges are on their way.

1444
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 4: I don't know what it's going to look like for you,

1445
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:37,919
Speaker 4: but it's on its way. And so the best preparation

1446
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 4: that I can give you to how to deal with

1447
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:42,799
Speaker 4: it no matter what it looks like when it actually

1448
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 4: comes your way, is choose tough now, because it's the

1449
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 4: best preparation that you're going to have when that tough

1450
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 4: thing ends up facing you and that thing is going

1451
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,800
Speaker 4: to learn that you're not going to lose sleep over it,

1452
01:14:57,439 --> 01:14:58,879
Speaker 4: make it lose sleep over you.

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01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 1: If you could wave a magic one, would you have

1454
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: mandatory national service?

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01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely.

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01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 4: I mean it's the reason that we in Maryland. Maryland

1457
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 4: is now the first state in the country that has

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01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 4: a service year option for all of our high school graduates,

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01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 4: where every high school graduate now is a chance to

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01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 4: have a paid year service and.

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Speaker 2: They can choose however they want to do.

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01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 4: They can work and they can serve veterans, they can

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01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 4: serve in the environment, they can work with young people,

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01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 4: they can work with older adults. The only thing we

1465
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 4: ask is tell us what makes your heart beat a

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01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:29,600
Speaker 4: little bit faster, and we're going to give you an

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01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 4: opportunity to do it, a paid opportunity to do it.

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01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 4: And I remember, you know, when I ran for governor,

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01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:38,839
Speaker 4: I had people who I served with in the military who.

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01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 2: Came and campaigned on my behalf. Many of them were

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Speaker 2: not Marylanders.

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Speaker 4: Many of them were not Democrats, but they were literally

1473
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 4: just coming in door knocking and saying, I just want

1474
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 4: to tell you about the guy that I served with,

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01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 4: because I'm just a big believer in this time of

1476
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,639
Speaker 4: this political divisiveness, in this time of this political vitriol,

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01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 4: that service will save us because service is sticky, and

1478
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 4: those who serve together will generally stay together.

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01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,679
Speaker 2: So absolutely, I want to make sure.

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Speaker 4: And I would love it if every young person our

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01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 4: society could spend a little bit of time being part

1482
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:21,679
Speaker 4: of something bigger than themselves, learning how remarkable this country

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01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 4: is and learning that that line between them and somebody

1484
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 4: else is not as thick as society wants us to

1485
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 4: believe that it actually is.

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01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 1: We got what two more and then we writer.

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01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 5: From Houston asks what do you believe is the best

1488
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:49,720
Speaker 5: route for Maryland to overcome the significant redistricting roadblocks that

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01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 5: have occurred in the last few months.

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01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 1: I knew the audience is going to ask about reistricting.

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01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 1: That's I left it off.

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01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 4: I love it, and it's good to be in Texas,

1493
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 4: the home of this conmerceation.

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01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 2: In the first place.

1495
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 4: So I've just been very clear, and I know, you know, uh,

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01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 4: you know, listen, here here's what I know, every state

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01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 4: goes through this process every decade after the census comes

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01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 4: out that determines whether or not they have fair maps. Right,

1499
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 4: and Donald Trump decided to start picking and choosing which

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Speaker 4: states should go through this process mid decade.

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01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 2: Didn't He didn't call all of us. He called some

1502
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 2: of us to include y'all. I called y'all first.

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01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 4: And my only thing is this is that when you

1504
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 4: look at this idea that if other if states are

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01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 4: going to go through a mid decade process of determining

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01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 4: whether or not they have fair maps. I don't know

1507
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 4: why some states should do this and some states should

1508
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:59,680
Speaker 4: sit on their hands. My point is this is that

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01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 4: you know, and and by the way, this is actually

1510
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 4: pretty consistent of what we have seen from Donald Trump,

1511
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 4: where you know, whether it's calling states and saying I

1512
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 4: need you to redistrict or whether it's calling election officials

1513
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 4: in Georgia and saying I need you to find me votes.

1514
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 4: It's just very clear that when he knows he cannot

1515
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 4: win on policies, so what does he do? He changes

1516
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 4: the rules, He rigs the game. And so my only

1517
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 4: point is this, and why I you know, I ordered

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01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 4: a governor's Redishing Advisory Commission in Maryland, where we now

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01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 4: have a bipartisan group led by one of our senators,

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01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 4: Senator angel Alsobrooks, who's now leading a bipartisan group to

1521
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 4: actually go talk to people, to listen to people, and

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01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:46,679
Speaker 4: then decide whether or not Maryland has fair maps. Because

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Speaker 4: I am just I am very clear on this, and

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01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 4: I'm hard set on it that if this country is

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01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 4: going to go and if parts of this country are

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01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 4: going to go through a mid decade process to determine

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01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,719
Speaker 4: whether or not they have fair maps, then so will.

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Speaker 2: The state of Maryland.

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01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 4: And and Donald Trump is not going to choose what

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01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:15,679
Speaker 4: our democracy looks like. The people of Maryland will choose

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01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 4: what our democracy looks like. And so our commission now

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01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 4: is in place. They're already doing wonderful work.

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01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 2: They're going to come back with their recommendations.

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01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 4: But while we all can talk, you know, while we

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01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 4: all can talk about a fair map process, I just

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01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 4: believe deeply that democracy cannot be a spectator sport. Democracy

1537
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:41,719
Speaker 4: cannot be something where certain states are deciding and determining

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01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 4: whether or not they have fair maps that we need

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01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 4: to go through our process. It needs to be a

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01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 4: process that involves real people and revolves our input. And

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01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 4: I'm excited for the fact that the state of Maryland,

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01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 4: just like these other states, are going to move.

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01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 2: I will make sure.

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01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 4: That come next November, Maryland is voting with fair maps

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01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 4: and we will have a representative democracy that actually reflects

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01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 4: the wills and the hopes and the ambitions of the

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01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 4: people of my state.

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01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 5: Best one, Dan from Austin asks, what's your pitch to

1549
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 5: get people to move from Texas to Maryland?

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01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 2: And do you believe in your freedoms?

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01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:20,640
Speaker 3: Do you?

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01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 2: Uh now listen, I mean I'm actually listening. I really

1553
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,719
Speaker 2: believe that. Let's start with the live music.

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01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 1: They're gonna want to know if you have good live music.

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01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 4: We we actually have one of the best live music

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01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:36,639
Speaker 4: scenes inside the entire inside the entire country. And that's

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01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 4: real talk Maryland. In fact, Baltimore is actually Baltimore. The

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01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 4: Baltimore Reason has actually been ranked as one of the

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01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,599
Speaker 4: top live music scenes inside the country. But uh, and

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01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 4: I know Austin y'all are up there too, like Baltimore

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01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 4: is great. But I will say this, I am in

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01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 4: addition to the fact that in addition to the fact

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01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 4: that you know they.

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01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 2: Call Maryland American miniature for a reason, and.

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01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 4: It's because I don't care what you tell me you

1566
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 4: want to do. Tell me what you want to do.

1567
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 4: Do you want to go hike mountains? Do you want

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01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 4: to go to beaches? Do you want to go to ballgames?

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01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 4: Do you want to go see farmland? Tell me what

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01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 4: you want to do, and I can tell you how

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01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 4: to have a world class experience in Maryland within two hours.

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01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 4: There's no place in the country like that. And the

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01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 4: other thing that I would tell you why Maryland is

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01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 4: so special, in Maryland is so unique. I really think

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01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 4: Maryland is the best place in the world to change

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01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 4: the world. I really think Maryland is a place where

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01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 4: we watch entrepreneurial endeavors grow and thrive. I believe Maryland

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01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 4: is a place where we actually respect people's freedoms and

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01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 4: we respect people's histories. That Maryland is a place that

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01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 4: we actually make sure that people have a chance to

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01:21:55,360 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 4: learn and grow and be an inclusive society. That when Maryland,

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01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 4: when we were watching a larger debate that was taking

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01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 4: place around the country about things like reproductive health and

1584
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 4: reproductive rights, that in Maryland, what do we do we

1585
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 4: actually made reproductive health part of Maryland's constitution, so that

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01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 4: no matter what the Supreme Court says in Maryland, we

1587
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 4: will protect that that when we watch places around the

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01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 4: country that we're banning histories and banning books and talking

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01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 4: about what parts of history we were going to remember

1590
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 4: and what parts of history we were going to reflect, well,

1591
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 4: what did we do in the state of Maryland. I

1592
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 4: very proudly signed legislation banning the banning of books.

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01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 2: You cannot ban books in my state. That we're talking about,

1594
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 2: we're talking about a.

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01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:54,839
Speaker 4: State right now that is beautiful and diverse and growing

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01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 4: with one of the fastest job growth rates inside the

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01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 4: entire country, with a state that is truly the epicenter

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01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:07,559
Speaker 4: of life sciences in it and aerospace and defense. That

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01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 4: Maryland is the home of true national gems Likeanists, the

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01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 4: NIH and military installations like Fort Meade, one of the

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01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 4: largest military and veteran communities inside this entire country. That

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01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 4: we have some of the best academic and some of

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01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 4: the best academic measures inside the entire country, some of

1604
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 4: the best public schools inside of America. That we are

1605
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 4: a place that invests inside of our future. And so

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01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 4: I believe deeply and it's not just because I am biased.

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01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 4: There's a reason that we are watching business after business

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01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 4: come and choose Maryland because this is a chance for

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01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,639
Speaker 4: them to be able to grow and thrive, and frankly,

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01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 4: for their employee base to know that you're not just

1611
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 4: going to have one of the best pipelines for higher

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01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 4: education in K twelve employees, but also a place where

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01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 4: you're employees. These visions and hopes for their future can

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01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 4: actually be realized and their freedoms are going to be protected.

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01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 1: Let the record show he didn't mention Old Bay and

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01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:13,720
Speaker 1: Old Bay, Obay crack cakes Baltimore Orioles Baltimore, Raven you

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01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 1: do not be Is there anything you wouldn't put Old

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01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 1: Bay on?

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01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 2: Nothing?

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01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 4: Old Bay I think is actually the greatest spice because

1621
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:25,799
Speaker 4: you can Ol Bay is breakfast, lunch, dinner, and dessert.

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01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 1: Is true.

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01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 4: I had ol Bay ice cream. I'm telling you, it'll

1624
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 4: change your life. It'll change your life. That's why you

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01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 4: moved to Maryland.

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01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 1: Thank you, Covin, thanks us, thank you everybody. Well as

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01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 1: you could see, I'll tell you this the impression I

1628
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 1: got from Wes Moore and what when people have asked me, well,

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01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 1: what do you think I'm like, you know, I know

1630
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 1: that there's going to be this.

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01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 2: He's going to always get.

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01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 1: Compared to Barack Obama, right, if he wants to be

1633
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:03,680
Speaker 1: the next black president, he's going to get compared to

1634
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 1: Barack Obama. But I think if you just listen to

1635
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 1: Wes Moore, right, and you listen to Barack Obama, and

1636
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 1: you listen to Bill Clinton, you realize Wes Moore in

1637
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 1: some ways has a lot more. He comes across to

1638
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 1: me more like Bill Clinton, And I think that I'll

1639
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:25,680
Speaker 1: tell you something that I appreciate now more understanding and

1640
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 1: listening to him talk. You know, he went to military school,

1641
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 1: and his story his mom's son in military school was

1642
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 1: worried he was he was hanging out with the wrong

1643
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 1: crowd and he was going to go down a bad road.

1644
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:38,439
Speaker 1: And Wes Moore has written very eloquently about this when

1645
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 1: he talked when he wrote this book about the other

1646
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 1: Wes Moore, somebody who shares his name, who ended up

1647
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 1: in I grew up in Baltimore and let's just say

1648
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 1: took the wrong turns in life. He went to military

1649
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 1: school then and listened in the military. I think he's

1650
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 1: a you know, I always I like to there's people

1651
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:59,759
Speaker 1: that are small sea conservatives and big C conservatives. Capital

1652
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 1: conservative to me is more ideological. Small sea conservative is

1653
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 1: more means you might be more of an incrementalist. You're

1654
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 1: more you know, you may be liberal, but you're more

1655
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 1: of an incrementalist in how you want to move things along,

1656
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 1: that you've got to bring people along in order to

1657
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 1: get stuff done. Like I've I always consider myself a

1658
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:21,640
Speaker 1: small sea conservative in that I believe if you're gonna

1659
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 1: if you're gonna have make law for three hundred and

1660
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 1: fifty million people, you got to do it baby steps.

1661
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 1: You know, you got to do it incrementally because you

1662
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 1: want to bring as many people along as possible. Not

1663
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 1: everybody agrees with that, and I understand that, but there

1664
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:38,720
Speaker 1: I that's the impression I got from him, which is

1665
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:40,760
Speaker 1: what I would have what Bill Clinton was.

1666
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 2: And then growing up in.

1667
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 1: Rural Arkansas, that you know where you grew up, how

1668
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 1: you grew up, I think, does it inform what kind

1669
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 1: of activist politician you're going to be. And that's that's

1670
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 1: why I got a sense more that than that. And

1671
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:01,160
Speaker 1: I know that many plenty of people are going to

1672
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 1: immediately want to compare more in Obama, and I just

1673
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 1: think that that in some ways, I think the better

1674
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:10,760
Speaker 1: comparison and war might be to Bill Clinton, not on

1675
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 1: the personal stuff, but more on sort of I think

1676
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 1: how he views politics, how he views working in this

1677
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 1: political system.

1678
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:21,160
Speaker 2: All right, let me take a few questions.

1679
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 1: Ask Chuck. This one comes from Kennel and he says, Hey,

1680
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 1: they're a fan of the pod.

1681
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:28,680
Speaker 2: Thanks for all you do.

1682
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 1: I was in high school when the fairness doctrine was

1683
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:33,639
Speaker 1: repealed and watched conservative talk radio ship the conversation from

1684
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 1: policy to culture wars. As a liberal, I've always felt

1685
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 1: the left was caught flat foot and it has been

1686
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 1: playing catchup ever since. You think there's still hope for

1687
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 1: both sides to set aside the culture clash and focus

1688
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 1: on real common ground legislation. Are we just too far

1689
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 1: apart in the kind of government each side wants? So?

1690
01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 1: I think our divide is more cultural than it is policy, right.

1691
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:55,759
Speaker 1: I think our divide on how we live our lives

1692
01:27:55,960 --> 01:28:00,080
Speaker 1: is actually that's what animates this conversation, what you're describing

1693
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 1: about talk radio. As you just said correctly, it went

1694
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 1: on culture where I think Democrats believe that they could

1695
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 1: still win. You know, the three point policy proposal plan

1696
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 1: you want healthcare, where we're going to here's how we're

1697
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 1: going to provide healthcare versus the Republicans going should the

1698
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 1: government be providing healthcare?

1699
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 6: Right?

1700
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, And that may be where

1701
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:25,760
Speaker 1: sometimes it feels like the two parties talk past each other.

1702
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:31,640
Speaker 1: I also happen to believe that that one of the

1703
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 1: reasons why we're so divided on culture now is because

1704
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:41,639
Speaker 1: we don't have the Cold War to keep us united.

1705
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 1: I think the Cold War in some ways sort of

1706
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: was served as a moderation, moderating force both in the

1707
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 1: left and the right. You know, and you've probably heard

1708
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:55,680
Speaker 1: me say this before if you've been a fan of

1709
01:28:55,720 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 1: the pod that you know. I if you look at

1710
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 1: sort of if you're looking for a line of demarcation,

1711
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 1: where did we go from sort of shared reality to

1712
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 1: alternative realities? It's the splintering. Actually started to start it

1713
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 1: in after the fall of the Berlin Wall. And you know,

1714
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 1: the first time we saw this show up in the

1715
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,680
Speaker 1: Republican Party was Pat Buchanan's primary challenge to George H. W.

1716
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 1: Bush in ninety two. And go look at the Buchanan platform.

1717
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:26,679
Speaker 1: It's the Trump platform, Right, Buchanan was Trump before Trump,

1718
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 1: and you know, he was railing against these trade deals

1719
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:33,040
Speaker 1: and he was the first sort of mainstream conservative to

1720
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 1: do that in a way that got traction. Now, of course,

1721
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 1: this is now essentially part of the rank and file

1722
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:44,720
Speaker 1: belief system of many of many mega Republicans. He was

1723
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 1: very skeptical of the immigration policies, the more, very critical

1724
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 1: of the Reagan amnesty of eighty six, with the Mazoli.

1725
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 2: Deal and so, and.

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01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: Of course he was a skeptic of intervention, including he

1727
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 1: was he was not the most pro Israel guy back then,

1728
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:06,880
Speaker 1: let alone now.

1729
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 2: And so.

1730
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 1: It does feel as if the Cold War sort of

1731
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:16,599
Speaker 1: had both parties. You know, they only disagreed on how

1732
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 1: to deal with the Soviets, not whether we should, right,

1733
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 1: whether we should confront them exactly, like, how do you

1734
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 1: confront them? Was the debate, not necessarily whether you should

1735
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:27,920
Speaker 1: confront them. And so I think it sort of was

1736
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:30,560
Speaker 1: a moderating force on our culture, right, Our culture was

1737
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 1: almost united on being more focused on defeating communism in

1738
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:37,559
Speaker 1: the Soviet threat rather than and then once that went away,

1739
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 1: we all just looked inward and looked for all of

1740
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:43,720
Speaker 1: our own cultural divides. So that's been my thesis of

1741
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:44,839
Speaker 1: why it happened.

1742
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 2: But you know.

1743
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:54,640
Speaker 1: It, I am one of those who believes it's an

1744
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:57,360
Speaker 1: existential crisis that will sort of bring us back. And

1745
01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:00,040
Speaker 1: it may be AI right, or it may be this

1746
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 1: transition that we're going through on the economy that will

1747
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 1: sort of have us, you know, until we sort of

1748
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 1: re remodel this economy for the twenty first century. You

1749
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 1: know that maybe we will sort of that. The election

1750
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 1: of Trump twenty four was actually voters also signaling, hey,

1751
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:20,480
Speaker 1: let's let's pause the culture wars for and just focus

1752
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 1: on this, on this current economic system and what can

1753
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 1: we do to improve it and fix it. In that sense,

1754
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 1: I actually do think that could be something that would

1755
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:33,639
Speaker 1: weirdly because it would it would downgrade culture a bit.

1756
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 1: And you know, one of the things we've learned, when

1757
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 1: when the economy is humming, then we fight about culture.

1758
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:43,000
Speaker 1: When the economy is not humming, we fight about the economy,

1759
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 1: and the economy for the most part, right we've had

1760
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:49,200
Speaker 1: two or three down periods, but for the most part

1761
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 1: of the last thirty years, it's been an incredible economy.

1762
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:53,439
Speaker 2: Right over a thirty year period with.

1763
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 1: Like these you know, bad two or three year periods, right,

1764
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 1: the Great Recession COVID ninety nine to two thousand, But

1765
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 1: they were sort of like these little spikes, right. And

1766
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 1: I think that's why so many of our divides in

1767
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:15,840
Speaker 1: our presidential elections from say ninety two to twenty twenty,

1768
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:20,599
Speaker 1: twenty twenty were more cultural than they divided, more by

1769
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 1: culture than they were on the economy. That I don't

1770
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:25,680
Speaker 1: think is going to be these. I think we are

1771
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 1: going to have economy elections now for the next decade

1772
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 1: until we sort of get our sea legs on what

1773
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:35,519
Speaker 1: the on this new economy. Like I said, I'll go back,

1774
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 1: and I think the fear of AI displacement is going

1775
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:42,880
Speaker 1: to be the singular issue that both parties have to

1776
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 1: tackle come twenty twenty eight. Next question comes from matthew

1777
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 1: S Springfield organ Hey, which may be the Springfield the

1778
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 1: model for the Springfield from The Simpsons, It says Chuck

1779
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:58,880
Speaker 1: given Democrats twenty twenty five performance redistarting battles in early

1780
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six polling, which five members of Congress do

1781
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:03,360
Speaker 1: you think are most likely to announce retirement soon? And

1782
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:05,920
Speaker 1: why new maps trump back challengers et cetera. Have long

1783
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:08,479
Speaker 1: appreciate the calm, thoughtful analysis you bring and how you

1784
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 1: avoid partisan noise in favor of context. I also love

1785
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:14,400
Speaker 1: the alternative alternative histories. Any interest in turning one into

1786
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:17,719
Speaker 1: a for all mankind style book? Huh So, which scenario

1787
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:23,679
Speaker 1: would you choose to write? Go bills Matthews. Oh, that's

1788
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 1: interesting on that front. I don't know which ones i'd

1789
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:32,800
Speaker 1: make a book. I'd be a little concerned about it

1790
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:37,639
Speaker 1: and putting it in book form. I know that sounds odd,

1791
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:39,479
Speaker 1: but you know, it's like I don't want it to

1792
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 1: seem so definitive and in this world of misinformation and disinformation,

1793
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 1: so I'm a little sensitive to that. But I would

1794
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:53,639
Speaker 1: say that, you know what, the one that.

1795
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:55,800
Speaker 2: The one that I.

1796
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:59,600
Speaker 1: Think about the most is if Gore becomes president in

1797
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:03,160
Speaker 1: ninety eight, for one reason or another, either Clinton resigns

1798
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:07,040
Speaker 1: from office, which was the most likely scenario, and how

1799
01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 1: that would have massively shifted things that would have had

1800
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:14,479
Speaker 1: a huge you know, there's that there has been a

1801
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Speaker 1: book written about Hillary Clinton winning the presidency, which was

1802
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:20,880
Speaker 1: an alternative history that was done, and the year I

1803
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 1: believe she would have won the only year that I

1804
01:34:22,479 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 1: think she could have won the presidency was four. I

1805
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 1: think Bush for Bush v Clinton and four is what

1806
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:33,160
Speaker 1: you would have had. That's a scenario I think that

1807
01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:38,320
Speaker 1: was definitely worth uh worth exploring on that front. But

1808
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:40,599
Speaker 1: that would those would be the two that that quickly

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Speaker 1: stand out. As for retirements I gave in the last episode,

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01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 1: I was talking about this because I do think a

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01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 1: handful of retirements are coming. I think when you look

1812
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 1: at and we've already seen, I would say this the

1813
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:58,040
Speaker 1: potential retirement we've already seen. Some committee chairs already leave.

1814
01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 1: The chair of the Homeland Security Committee is Mark he

1815
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:05,640
Speaker 1: decided to resign. James Comer's thinking about running for is

1816
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:08,240
Speaker 1: going to run for governor of Kentucky in twenty seven.

1817
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:11,719
Speaker 1: If you told me he decides not to seek reelection

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01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 1: or in twenty six, that wouldn't shock me. I think

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01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,519
Speaker 1: with there's a Missouri remap, I would keep an eye

1820
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:25,040
Speaker 1: out on both Jason Smith and Sam Graves and Missouri

1821
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 1: Smith and ways and Means. He's kind of gotten what

1822
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:30,600
Speaker 1: he's gotten. And once you've done ways and means, you

1823
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:32,479
Speaker 1: don't want to be the ranking on ways and means.

1824
01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 1: So the places I would start are always committee chairs

1825
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 1: or people that are on the verge.

1826
01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:39,720
Speaker 2: Of becoming.

1827
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:45,439
Speaker 1: Of becoming a committee chair and now thinking, oh, the

1828
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:50,680
Speaker 1: Republicans aren't going to win, aren't going to win the House. So,

1829
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 1: like I said, I got Mike Turner there, I would

1830
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 1: keep an eye out and a couple you know, I'm

1831
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:59,599
Speaker 1: still waiting on a couple more Texas shoes to drop

1832
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:02,360
Speaker 1: because they don't like the new lines. I think it's

1833
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 1: possible you'll see one out of Illinois decide to retire

1834
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 1: rather than face an uphill re election battle, because again,

1835
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:12,439
Speaker 1: do you want to raise and spend ten to twenty

1836
01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 1: million dollars for a House seat that even if you win,

1837
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:19,680
Speaker 1: as Marjorie Taylor Green argued, you would end up in

1838
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 1: the minority. And you know, in her case here she

1839
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:25,680
Speaker 1: was dealing with incoming from Trump and then would be

1840
01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:27,559
Speaker 1: expected to defend Trump, which you want to do that.

1841
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:29,760
Speaker 1: But look, I look at a darryl Isa does. He

1842
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 1: ended up deciding to retire rather than to try to

1843
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 1: run in California. So it's basically any member that's been

1844
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:42,519
Speaker 1: in the House Republican Conference for you know, that got

1845
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:46,280
Speaker 1: elected before twenty sixteen, I'd put them on my retirement list.

1846
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:50,960
Speaker 1: That's why Mike Turner's on that list. And anybody who

1847
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:54,439
Speaker 1: thought they were in line for a committee post and

1848
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:56,240
Speaker 1: thinks now that there's going to be a committee chair.

1849
01:36:56,360 --> 01:37:01,360
Speaker 1: So those are the Those are basically the places. I

1850
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 1: think the California Republicans a handful of Illinois Republicans because

1851
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 1: you're going to have that remap remap there. I keep

1852
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:11,479
Speaker 1: an eye on those Missouri ones because of that remap.

1853
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:16,880
Speaker 1: You know, is it worth looking at more? You know,

1854
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:20,360
Speaker 1: running in a new district and you decide you don't

1855
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:23,680
Speaker 1: want to be in the minority, And that's how suddenly

1856
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:27,080
Speaker 1: people start racing for the exits. It's just that they

1857
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:29,839
Speaker 1: don't feel like putting in the slog and the effort

1858
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:34,599
Speaker 1: into something that they're not really that animated about.

1859
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 2: I don't think I gave.

1860
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:38,880
Speaker 1: You five, Matthew, but I hope I gave you some.

1861
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:42,639
Speaker 1: I gave you I give you chunks of places to look.

1862
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:47,360
Speaker 1: But I definitely put Mike Turner in the top tier

1863
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:49,800
Speaker 1: of that. I put those Missouri guys in there, a

1864
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:54,200
Speaker 1: couple of those California guys as well. All right, next

1865
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:57,040
Speaker 1: question comes from Evan Hey Chuck. Much has been made

1866
01:37:57,160 --> 01:38:00,360
Speaker 1: by Democrats falling behind in the Midwest Postma. But it

1867
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:02,640
Speaker 1: seems Obama's reelection is when d started to fail in

1868
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:04,479
Speaker 1: the region. He lost eight percent of support in the

1869
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:07,000
Speaker 1: Midwest compared to eight while other regions stayed the same.

1870
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:07,400
Speaker 2: Thoughts.

1871
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, In fact, you know, Obama's job rating was

1872
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:16,559
Speaker 1: upside down in Iowa at the start of twenty twelve.

1873
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:20,799
Speaker 1: Part of that was Republican you know, the Republican caucus

1874
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:23,599
Speaker 1: campaign was you know, you know, there was nothing. There

1875
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:27,320
Speaker 1: was twelve or thirteen different Republicans running anti Obama messages,

1876
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:28,280
Speaker 1: and that would take a toll.

1877
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 2: Did oh with Wisconsin?

1878
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:34,560
Speaker 1: Did it with Michigan where you had very competitive Republican

1879
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:36,960
Speaker 1: presidential primaries, particularly in the ones where you had him

1880
01:38:39,479 --> 01:38:42,839
Speaker 1: on that front. And what was interesting was if you recall,

1881
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:49,800
Speaker 1: you know, Obama's Midwest campaign strategy was all negative. He

1882
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:53,519
Speaker 1: portrayed Romney as a guy who outsourced jobs to China.

1883
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:57,479
Speaker 1: So when you think about the message that Obama used

1884
01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:00,200
Speaker 1: to survive in the Midwest, he still ended up caring

1885
01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:04,320
Speaker 1: Ohio and Iowa and Wisconsin and Michigan and Pennsylvania, Minnesota.

1886
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:06,280
Speaker 2: But they were You're absolutely right, they.

1887
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:08,840
Speaker 1: Were all by lower margins and Romney was sort of

1888
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:12,280
Speaker 1: had a puncher's chance in those places. But where you know,

1889
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:13,920
Speaker 1: at the time, I remember they were using the Big

1890
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:16,720
Speaker 1: ten network actually is where they were running these you know,

1891
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:19,840
Speaker 1: Mitt Romney sent these jobs to China. Mitt Romney to China.

1892
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:23,360
Speaker 1: And it was always sort of voters in Wisconsin or

1893
01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:27,160
Speaker 1: voters and you know Iowa voter and Iowa a Michigan

1894
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:30,040
Speaker 1: voter saying I can't believe Met Romney sent these jobs

1895
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:32,519
Speaker 1: to China. The reason I bring it up is because

1896
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:35,320
Speaker 1: essentially it was the same message Trump ran on against

1897
01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:38,000
Speaker 1: Clinton in sixteen in those states, and he ended up

1898
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:43,479
Speaker 1: carrying them all right, carrying Iowa, carrying Ohio, carrying Michigan,

1899
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:48,920
Speaker 1: carrying Wisconsin, carrying Pennsylvania. So I think in hindsight, when

1900
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 1: you look at the campaign Obama had to run to

1901
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:55,799
Speaker 1: hold on to those states, which was hard negative painting

1902
01:39:55,920 --> 01:40:00,800
Speaker 1: Romney as a corporate ceo more worried about profits than

1903
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:04,000
Speaker 1: the American worker. Well, what the hell was the entire

1904
01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 1: campaign against Hillary Clinton, both by Bernie Sanders and by

1905
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:11,839
Speaker 1: Donald Trump essentially portraying Hillary Clinton as the public servant

1906
01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:15,320
Speaker 1: who was supportive of helping them aromnees of the world

1907
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:18,799
Speaker 1: get their profits from wherever was possible, wherever we had workers.

1908
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:21,080
Speaker 2: So I think that was a.

1909
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:25,080
Speaker 1: If you're looking for the this goes back to why

1910
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:28,040
Speaker 1: I think that Obama made such a critical error in.

1911
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:30,400
Speaker 2: Endorsing Hillary.

1912
01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:32,720
Speaker 1: I don't think that's where the party was, and I

1913
01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:34,599
Speaker 1: don't think that's where voters were. It's easy to say

1914
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:37,280
Speaker 1: that now. It's easy to see that now, But as

1915
01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:41,800
Speaker 1: you point out, there was plenty of yellow flags to

1916
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:44,559
Speaker 1: be looked at if you were looking for yellow flags

1917
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:46,840
Speaker 1: about the Democratic Parties.

1918
01:40:47,080 --> 01:40:48,520
Speaker 2: Hold on the Midwest.

1919
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:52,479
Speaker 1: David s asks, Hey, Chuck, are we finally going to

1920
01:40:52,520 --> 01:40:55,760
Speaker 1: get a generational change in twenty twenty eight?

1921
01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:59,120
Speaker 2: Some of us hoping for a gen X president? Ever?

1922
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:02,120
Speaker 1: Right, and with that mean political change we've been craving

1923
01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:03,920
Speaker 1: for so long. As you've noted, Americans have voted for

1924
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:06,640
Speaker 1: change consistently, but our politics have been seemingly stuck in

1925
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 1: a time warp. With the exception of Barack Obama, every

1926
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:11,120
Speaker 1: president we've had since nineteen ninety two was born in

1927
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:15,720
Speaker 1: the nineteen forties. It's amazing, isn't it just amazing? Three

1928
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:18,840
Speaker 1: of those GWB, Clinton and Trump were all born in

1929
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 1: the same summer of nineteen forty six. Yeah, turns out

1930
01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:25,240
Speaker 1: it was so I always go back nine months. The

1931
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:29,000
Speaker 1: fall was a breeding season, right for presidents. Apparently, the

1932
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:30,840
Speaker 1: fall of forty five. I guess people were so excited

1933
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:32,719
Speaker 1: about the end of World War two they said, let's

1934
01:41:32,720 --> 01:41:35,920
Speaker 1: procreate and maybe we'll make some presidents. As near as

1935
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:39,240
Speaker 1: I could tell, that's totally unprecedented American history. You're right,

1936
01:41:39,320 --> 01:41:42,400
Speaker 1: it is the craziest thing that Bill Clinton and Donald Trump.

1937
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:45,200
Speaker 1: Donald Trump just won his second term in twenty twenty four.

1938
01:41:45,439 --> 01:41:48,200
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton won his second term in nineteen ninety six. Okay,

1939
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:53,639
Speaker 1: twenty eight years apart, and they were born two months apart,

1940
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 1: both in the year of nineteen forty six. These freckin

1941
01:41:57,560 --> 01:42:02,880
Speaker 1: baby boomers just won't go away. Well they You don't

1942
01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:05,400
Speaker 1: have to wind me up too much to get me

1943
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:08,599
Speaker 1: harping on this, but are you know I could make

1944
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:11,360
Speaker 1: a case that, you know, half of our problems fiscally

1945
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:13,920
Speaker 1: are because we've over catered to the baby boomers. Everything

1946
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:16,200
Speaker 1: has been about the baby boomers. The baby boomers got

1947
01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:20,040
Speaker 1: their housing, you know, the mortgage, the infamous mortgage credit,

1948
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:22,960
Speaker 1: the tax credit that you get that that has spread

1949
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:25,960
Speaker 1: a home ownership all around right, And you know, in

1950
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Speaker 1: some ways it was in service to the baby boomers,

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Speaker 1: you know, the expansion of all the it's always everything.

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Speaker 1: It feels as if it's always been in service to

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Speaker 1: the Baby boomers. As a gen xer who is about

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Speaker 1: twelve years away from his first Social Security check, I

1955
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Speaker 1: think I'm going to be the first generation of Social

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Speaker 1: Security recipients that we'll see an automatic cut. I absolutely

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Speaker 1: believe it. And our generation is too small to be

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Speaker 1: politically angry enough to force politicians to not do it

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Speaker 1: versus the Boomers have been such a large generation that

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Speaker 1: they've and I actually think millennials are going to be

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Speaker 1: the next boomer generation, meaning once millennials start electing presidents,

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Speaker 1: and we're likely to have a millennial president next. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, if Wes Moore is gen X, but I

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Speaker 1: believe both Shapiro and uh and U Basher are millennial.

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Speaker 1: But let me double check that.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 1: Andy Basher is seventy seven, so he would be gen

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Speaker 1: X are born in seventy seven. Look, I'm just doing

1969
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Speaker 1: this in real time for you. Josh Shapiro, he's almost

1970
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Speaker 1: my age, he's a year younger. He's born in seventy three.

1971
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Speaker 1: So we gen xers. We got a shot with Shapiro

1972
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Speaker 1: more Rubio. On the Republican side of things, I think

1973
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Speaker 1: Rand Paul would be gen X. Let's see here, Ran Paul. No,

1974
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Speaker 1: Rand Paul's a boomer man. Ram Paul sixty two born

1975
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Speaker 1: in sixty three. Paul's a boomer I was wrong on that.

1976
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Speaker 1: So Rubio is our best shot at gen X Republican

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Speaker 1: president at this point, and on the Democratic side looks

1978
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Speaker 1: like Wes Moore. I think he was seventy eight, Andybusheer

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Speaker 1: seventy seven, born in seventy seven, and Shapiro born in

1980
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Speaker 1: seventy three. That's likely our best shot at that. Now

1981
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Speaker 1: it makes me think Gavin Newsom was born in sixty seven,

1982
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Speaker 1: so he's very early gen X, but he would also

1983
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Speaker 1: be gen X. But if we get a millennial and

1984
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Speaker 1: the possibility of a millennial president, particularly if it's JD

1985
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Speaker 1: Vance Pete Pootage, both of them would be AOC. So

1986
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Speaker 1: there's one shot at a boomer president, and that's Rand Paul.

1987
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Speaker 1: I don't think Rand Paul's going to become president, but

1988
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Speaker 1: I ain't going to rule anything out on that front.

1989
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Speaker 1: I'm just double checking the Ted kruz Berth here Ted

1990
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Speaker 1: Cruse born in seventy So if gen X doesn't get

1991
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Speaker 1: a president in twenty eight, they're never getting a president.

1992
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Speaker 1: How's that for a prediction on that front? But I

1993
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:09,760
Speaker 1: am it's possible. I think the millennials, once they get

1994
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Speaker 1: their first president, we could see a boomer like run, right,

1995
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Speaker 1: the boomers Clinton Bush. By the way, even Obama, technically

1996
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Speaker 1: born in sixty one, is a boomer president. If we

1997
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Speaker 1: never get a gen X I'm going to make a

1998
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Speaker 1: movement for us to claim Obama because here's my argument

1999
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Speaker 1: of why, that he grew up more like my childhood.

2000
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Speaker 1: He's basically halfway between. I was born in seventy two,

2001
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Speaker 1: Obama sixty one. My mother was born in forty seven.

2002
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Speaker 1: Sorry mom, but you're part of the boomer generation there, right,

2003
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Speaker 1: So Obama's kind of in the middle. But my argument

2004
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Speaker 1: is Obama's childhood probably was a bit more color TV

2005
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Speaker 1: than black and white TV. Right, My childhood was a

2006
01:45:47,680 --> 01:45:49,840
Speaker 1: bit more color TV than black and white. And then

2007
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Speaker 1: we get cable. My mother is more black and white TV. Right,

2008
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Speaker 1: She's an adult really when color TV comes along.

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Speaker 2: So I've always so.

2010
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Speaker 1: I look at it like the Boomers were black and

2011
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Speaker 1: white television. Gen X was sort of color television in

2012
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Speaker 1: the early stages a cable. Millennials were the first ones

2013
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Speaker 1: that have Internet access in the home, right. I mean,

2014
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Speaker 1: my dad helped them set up some weird dow Jones

2015
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Speaker 1: thing in eighty six on our Apple two c and

2016
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Speaker 1: we had a and we plugged it into the phone

2017
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Speaker 1: and we kind of made it work. But I'm not

2018
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Speaker 1: going to call it internet access. I never really had

2019
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Speaker 1: an Internet access until I was in college in the nineties.

2020
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Speaker 2: So if you're wondering how I sort.

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Speaker 1: Of divvy things up, that's sort of how I looked

2022
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Speaker 1: at So I do think once millennials get the presidency,

2023
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Speaker 1: they may have as long of a run as the

2024
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Speaker 1: boomers had. Literally ninety two, they've had a Boomer president,

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Speaker 1: and me, shoot, you could make a case, right we

2026
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Speaker 1: went backwards with Joe Biden. He's technically the silent generation,

2027
01:46:50,920 --> 01:46:56,720
Speaker 1: but let's put him. He's forty one. We have not

2028
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Speaker 1: had a president born after nineteen sixty one yet. Got

2029
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Speaker 1: to think our next president is going to be born

2030
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Speaker 1: after nineteen sixty one. All right, final question for this

2031
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Speaker 1: one comes from Colonel Stephen Mitchell, usr Force retired.

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Speaker 2: He said, I'm really.

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Speaker 1: Enjoying your podcast and bind myself learning a great deal

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Speaker 1: about politics from you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: It appears to me that third party candidates, how New

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Speaker 1: York City marilect Zoon Mom Donnie, a self proclaimed democratic socialist, Yes,

2038
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Speaker 1: have learned how to become either a dino or a

2039
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Speaker 1: rhino and hijack one of the parties. I'm curious if

2040
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Speaker 1: you agree, and what is your thoughts about this political strategy.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think.

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Speaker 1: That that's what you've seen more third part You know,

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Speaker 1: when I've had conversations with people that have pondered independent candidacies,

2044
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Speaker 1: I am now you know. Take Michael Bloomberg. Michael Bloomberg

2045
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Speaker 1: wanted to run as an independent for a long time.

2046
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Speaker 1: He made the calculation that you couldn't win the presidency

2047
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Speaker 1: as an independent. You have to use one of the

2048
01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:50,959
Speaker 1: two major parties. So he decided to run as a Democrat.

2049
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Speaker 1: It didn't work, and one could argue that Elizabeth Warren

2050
01:47:54,439 --> 01:48:00,439
Speaker 1: essentially ended Michael Bloomberg's candidacy because she was able to

2051
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:03,160
Speaker 1: paint him as a dino, right a Democratic name only.

2052
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Speaker 1: That's the ballot access issue. Has he essentially convinced those

2053
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Speaker 1: that are, you know, on the progressive left or the

2054
01:48:14,120 --> 01:48:17,160
Speaker 1: conservative right, maybe you're you want to you're a member

2055
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Speaker 1: of the Constitution Party, the Libertarian Party, the Forward Party,

2056
01:48:21,800 --> 01:48:25,479
Speaker 1: the Green Party. You know why Bernie Sanders said, you know,

2057
01:48:25,640 --> 01:48:28,120
Speaker 1: he could have run as an independent instead. Now I

2058
01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:31,000
Speaker 1: was better off running. Donald Trump made this decision, right.

2059
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Speaker 1: He flirted with the Reform Party back in two thousand,

2060
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Speaker 1: flirted with an independent run and realized that it's easier

2061
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Speaker 1: to run by And it turns out that the two

2062
01:48:40,479 --> 01:48:43,360
Speaker 1: parties were weak, and they're both weak. I sort of

2063
01:48:43,479 --> 01:48:46,599
Speaker 1: I used to joke that in twenty sixteen, you had

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01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:49,200
Speaker 1: two dead carcasses on the side of the political road,

2065
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:52,919
Speaker 1: a dead donkey and a dead elephant, and Bernie Sanders

2066
01:48:53,120 --> 01:48:57,120
Speaker 1: and Donald Trump sort of reanimated and reanimated the donkey

2067
01:48:57,120 --> 01:49:00,559
Speaker 1: and the elephant, but a zombie version of both, right,

2068
01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:02,040
Speaker 1: and gave them a little bit.

2069
01:49:01,960 --> 01:49:02,719
Speaker 2: Of new life.

2070
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:06,920
Speaker 1: But they were kind of like, it looked like the donkey,

2071
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:08,880
Speaker 1: it looked like the elephant.

2072
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:09,800
Speaker 2: But was it right?

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01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:13,120
Speaker 1: And if you squint hard, it now it looks more mainstream. Now,

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01:49:13,160 --> 01:49:15,120
Speaker 1: it looks like these animals have been alive for a

2075
01:49:15,160 --> 01:49:17,639
Speaker 1: while now. But I kind of think there's still kind

2076
01:49:17,640 --> 01:49:23,200
Speaker 1: of zombie versions of themselves, and I think that that's

2077
01:49:23,200 --> 01:49:26,040
Speaker 1: why the best comparison of Mam Donnie is to Trump.

2078
01:49:26,720 --> 01:49:30,120
Speaker 1: And I also think Trump has viewed those that have

2079
01:49:30,200 --> 01:49:34,000
Speaker 1: called Mom Donnie that hey, Mom Donnie's just left wing Trump.

2080
01:49:34,640 --> 01:49:37,800
Speaker 1: Trump takes out his compliment, which is also I think

2081
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:41,760
Speaker 1: help us explain that LoveFest as well. But I think

2082
01:49:41,800 --> 01:49:46,160
Speaker 1: they've realized that it's it's easier to get elected if

2083
01:49:46,160 --> 01:49:49,519
Speaker 1: you've got the if you're you know, if you've got

2084
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:53,960
Speaker 1: some unique views, you're better off running inside an established

2085
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:57,160
Speaker 1: brand like the Democratic Party of the Republican Party, because

2086
01:49:57,160 --> 01:50:01,200
Speaker 1: it kind of launders your extremism what would be viewed

2087
01:50:01,200 --> 01:50:04,000
Speaker 1: as extremism if you're running from the outside, But if

2088
01:50:04,040 --> 01:50:09,200
Speaker 1: you run within the party, then there the extreme label

2089
01:50:09,439 --> 01:50:11,960
Speaker 1: is harder to pin to somebody. So I think that's

2090
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:17,000
Speaker 1: another reason, Colonel Mitchell, why this is a more appealing

2091
01:50:17,080 --> 01:50:21,519
Speaker 1: direction for sort of a somebody who might have been

2092
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:26,400
Speaker 1: more comfortable in a third party ends up becoming essentially

2093
01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:29,120
Speaker 1: a Dino, either a left wing Dino or a right

2094
01:50:29,160 --> 01:50:32,960
Speaker 1: wing Rhino right a different version of Dyno and Rhino,

2095
01:50:33,479 --> 01:50:35,160
Speaker 1: as sometimes the parties.

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01:50:34,920 --> 01:50:35,960
Speaker 2: Call it all right.

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Speaker 1: With that, enjoy the rest of your holiday weekend. And

2098
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Speaker 1: by the way, if you're having trouble dealing with politics

2099
01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:47,519
Speaker 1: in your family in the moment, let me encourage you

2100
01:50:47,560 --> 01:50:49,840
Speaker 1: of how to shift the conversation but still have an

2101
01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:54,160
Speaker 1: interesting political conversation that might actually inform something. As you're

2102
01:50:54,160 --> 01:50:56,960
Speaker 1: having an argument about Trump or about AOC or about

2103
01:50:56,960 --> 01:50:59,400
Speaker 1: Bernie or about Gavenusom and any of those things, ask

2104
01:50:59,439 --> 01:51:01,800
Speaker 1: them what they think, AI, and that's off they think

2105
01:51:01,800 --> 01:51:05,800
Speaker 1: of the tech companies. I have a feeling it's a

2106
01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:10,720
Speaker 1: way to find more agreement in your Thanksgiving UH scrums

2107
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:16,879
Speaker 1: post Thanksgiving scrums, and it might it might remind everybody

2108
01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:19,440
Speaker 1: in that room that everybody kind of has the same concerns.

2109
01:51:19,560 --> 01:51:22,160
Speaker 1: You just may have different solutions on how to deal

2110
01:51:22,200 --> 01:51:25,640
Speaker 1: with those concerns. Just sort of a if you're if

2111
01:51:25,640 --> 01:51:27,880
Speaker 1: you're looking for ideas, and if you if you got

2112
01:51:27,880 --> 01:51:30,760
Speaker 1: to keep a political conversation going but you don't want

2113
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:35,120
Speaker 1: it to be as divisive, try AI in the tech companies.

2114
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Speaker 2: At least you could focus everybody's venom on them.

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Speaker 1: So with that, enjoy the rest of your weekend and

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Speaker 1: I'll see on Monday