1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the backyard. A Washington 2 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: Township police officer screams over the radio after responding to 3 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: a call at Hawthorne Farm, an equestrian property and home 4 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: in Long Valley, New Jersey. The wounded victim, thirty eight 5 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: year old Lauren Canoract, bleeding and nearly unconscious. The alleged 6 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: shooter property and Canaracts landlord. A criminal complaint states Canorac 7 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: and Barrisone had an ongoing landlord tenant dispute leading up 8 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: to the shooting. Quote Michael Barrisone shot me. He shot 9 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: me twice, she told police. When they arrived at the scene, 10 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: they discovered Canaract's fiance and Barrisone on the ground wrestling 11 00:00:51,760 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: for the gun. According to the complaint, when police took 12 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: Barrisone into custody at the scene, he reportedly stated multiple times, 13 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,919 Speaker 1: I had a good life. You know, it's very rare. 14 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: You hear of fatal shootings amongst Olympians now every once 15 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: in a while, you hear about doping or drugging, and 16 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: it tanks the entire the entire arena. But when you 17 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: hear of cold blooded shootouts between equestrians and well respected Olympians. 18 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: I mean it, see Grace, this is crime Stories. You 19 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: were just hearing our friend at CBS two. That was 20 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: Valerie Castro, an equestrian at the top of the game, 21 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: shot by an Olympian. Joining you right now an all 22 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: star panel first with me Stephen Corby, expert in safe sport, 23 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: Dianna Corby, grssage trainer expert, doctor Bethany Marshall's psycho alas 24 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: out of La John Cardillo, former NYPD joice Scott Morgan, 25 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet. 26 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: Judge and trial lawyer Ashley Wilcote at Ashley Wilcott dot com. 27 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: You know, first you doctor Bethany Marshall. You know when 28 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: you think of Olympians, you think of the elite. I mean, 29 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: I will never forget. I guess his name was Mark Spitz, 30 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: and he was an Olympian and he would pose in 31 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: his swimsuit with about ten gold medals around his neck. 32 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: Then there came Bruce Jenner to Kathalon Olympian winner. I 33 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: mean it goes on and on. My son talks about 34 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: Usain Bolt all the time. Michael Phelps, we look up 35 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: to them, because they epitomize or did epitomize clean living, 36 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: devoting themselves to something and hanging in there, finding adversity 37 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: until they win the gold to represent our country. When 38 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: I hear that one olympian shoots down another equestrian, that 39 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: that doesn't that goes against everything we think we know, 40 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: doctor Beth Fancy, when you look at these individuals, the 41 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: more sophistication, money, wealth, training, gifts and capacities and privileges 42 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: in society that a person has, the more they can 43 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: use these privileges to hide a very messy pathological interior. 44 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: So look at that one astronaut. Do you remember she 45 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: went all the way into space. Then she was a 46 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: part of a love triangle. She ended up putting on 47 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: a pair of diapers driving right. I was just about 48 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: to say, is that the woman in the middle of 49 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: a love triangle that went after her love rival and 50 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: actually drove to the night wearing a pair of adult diapers. 51 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: Her name will forever be connected to adult diapers. I mean, 52 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: but in this case, you know, you really hit on something. 53 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: To Dave Matt Crime online dot Com investigative reporter money, 54 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: this is a former equestrian olympian on the grounds of 55 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: his ritzy fifty three acre sprawl. Now I don't get it. Barrisone, 56 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: a member of the Beijing Summer Games, allegedly guns down 57 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: a female equestrian, shooting her twice in the chest in 58 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: playing daylight in the afternoon at Hawthorne Farm. That's in 59 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: a rural Morris County where there's nothing but I mean 60 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: stinking rich people with huge, huge estates. What happened, Dave 61 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: mac How did one equestrian go after the other one? 62 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: The way it came out in Nancy, in the way 63 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: that this is being played out is it was a 64 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: landlord tenant dispute. Barrisone, as you mentioned, he owns that 65 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: horse farm, this fifty three acre very expensive ritzy equestrian outlet, 66 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: and Lauren Canteract and her fiance Rob Goodwin, we're living 67 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: on the property while training and raising some horses there 68 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: on the farm in association with Michael Barrisone. They had 69 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: a conflict. They had a battle over whether or not 70 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: Lauren and her fiance could remain at that property. Barrisone 71 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: wanted them off of his property. Counteract said no, I 72 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: have a right to be here, and that's where the 73 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: conflict began. And that's how we ended up in this 74 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: horrible mess. Take listen to our friend Tara Jquit CBS two. 75 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: Washington Township Police responding to a call at this home 76 00:05:54,920 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: Wednesday around two pm. That's where they found thirty eight 77 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: year old Lauren Canteract bleeding and losing consciousness. We have 78 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: one not shot. That shooter was identified by Canteract herself. 79 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: The criminal complaints states she said, quote Michael Barrosone shot me. 80 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: He shot me twice. Police confirm it's former US Olympian 81 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: Michael Barrisone. The fifty four year old who traveled with 82 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: Team USA to Beijing to compete in dressage, was also 83 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: Canoract's landlord. Canteract, an award winning equestrian, herself, was reportedly 84 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: living on Barzone's property here at Hawthorne Farm with her fiance, 85 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 1: and there was an ongoing landlord tenant dispute. Gissage A 86 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: lot of people may not be familiar with it. Gissage 87 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: is an Olympic sport. It really got going in the 88 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: Games in Stockholm all the way back in the early 89 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds and it is when the rider, the equestrian 90 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: performs a very intricate series of very precise horseback maneuvers, 91 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: and the riders are scord on a scale of z. 92 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: He rode to ten by a panel of international judges. 93 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: Now with me right now, a dressage trainer, an expert. 94 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: Her name is Dianna Corby. Okay, Dianna, don't laugh. But 95 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: all I can think about is when I was on 96 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars and my partner, an irishman Tristan mcmadus, 97 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: wanted to do every time. Tristan loved to do intricate 98 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: dance steps and you know, turning your toes this way 99 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: in that way and whirling around, and he was really 100 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: good at it. I, however, was not as good at it. 101 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: But I can't imagine it was hard enough for me 102 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: to do that much less get a horse to Just 103 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: having a really bad flashback of what what was that dance? Oh? 104 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: The quick step? Oh gosh? Oh man, Okay, now go ahead, 105 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: explain to me dressage. How did it happen? And why 106 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: do we call it dressage? It looks like dressage, but 107 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: we call it dressage. Yeah. So dressage is a French 108 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: word that means training, and it was started. It originated 109 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: a long time ago when horses were used in battle 110 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: and that's how the discipline of dressage came about. We 111 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: obviously no longer use horses in battle, but the movements 112 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: that were used in defense and warfare are still are 113 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: used now today in the Olympic Games. So it is 114 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: similar to the dance that you're referring to, except now 115 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:42,479 Speaker 1: we have a thousand pound animal that doesn't speak English 116 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: that you're trying to communicate with through the most subtle aids, 117 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: using your body language, your weight, and trying to do 118 00:08:54,240 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 1: a pattern that is judged by different judges around the 119 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: arena and can be seen of course in the Olympics 120 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: today crime stories with Nancy Grace. Because of this, I've 121 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: been looking at videos of dressage and I grew up 122 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: in a very very rural area in Middle Georgia and 123 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: we were around cows and horses and all sorts of animals. 124 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: And when you say a thousand pound animal trying to 125 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: get it to do these intricate it's like the horse 126 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: is doing intricate dance steps and it's amazing. You know 127 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: what else hits me to Ashley Wilcott, judge trial lawyer. 128 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: You can find her at Ashley Wilcott dot com. This 129 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: guy Michael Barrisone was named the Sportsman International Horseman of 130 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: the Year and has trained many many Olympians and he 131 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 1: operates the Barrison Dressage training Facility on a long valley farm, 132 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: you know, and it's just eleven miles from the US 133 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: Equestrian team's headquarters in Gladstone. Now it's very rarefied equestrian 134 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: much less this dressage. Have you noticed, Ashley, the more 135 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: rarefied and the richer. And I hate to say it 136 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: because I push education on my children constantly. The smarter 137 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: people get the sneakier they are, and it seems like 138 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: they don't really have enough to do, and they sit 139 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: around and think about murdering each other. Now I'm gonna 140 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: have to pull on a shrink on that. But help 141 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: me out, Ashley. This is a crazy case. So first 142 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: of all, you're right, the equestrian world is so is 143 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: an expensive sport, right, It is a very expensive story. 144 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: There you go. You just hit the nail on the head. 145 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: That is why it's so elite and rarefied. It's the 146 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: only world I can really think to describe it because 147 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: nobody else can afford it. I mean I can as 148 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: a team, I can afford a pair of beebops, because 149 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: that's all I had to buy, you know, the blue 150 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: and white satellocks for to be a cheerleader. Okay, that's 151 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: all I had to buy. The school bought the uniform 152 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: and the pom poms. But equestrian, that's thousands and thousands. 153 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: Deanna Corby, how much would it take for a little girl, 154 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: let's just say eleven to get outfitted in board a 155 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: horse and learn equestrian A lot of money. Um, if 156 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: you want the breakdown, you know, Um, let's see at 157 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: my facility. Board is eight hundred and fifty dollars a 158 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: month and I was just gagging go ahead, and then, um, 159 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,599 Speaker 1: training depends on depending on how much I'm sorry that 160 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,719 Speaker 1: choked me up so much to go ahead training? Then 161 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: what happens? Yeah, training, depending on how much you want, 162 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: you could be looking at another eight hundred dollars a 163 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: month or so, and um, you know, boots three hundred 164 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: dollars for the rider saddle, as much as five thousand 165 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: dollars for what what what? Wait? Wait, what costs five 166 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: thousand dollars the saddle, the saddle, the saddle alone. Okay, 167 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 1: you know, Ashley, you hit the nail on the hand 168 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: it's all money. It is all money. And let me 169 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: just I'm sorry, Nancy. I have to say this, as 170 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: you and I both know. Listen, just because you have 171 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: money and expertise, super smart doesn't mean you can't be 172 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: a criminal or do something that you shouldn't. I mean, 173 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: this man, for God's sake, shot someone over a landlord 174 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: tenant dispute. How many people in America have landlord tenant disputes. 175 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: I think it was more than shoot each other. I 176 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: think it was more than that. There has to be 177 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: more to this than over rent or her moving out 178 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: of their ritzy compound. Joining me right now for an 179 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: NYPD John Cardillo, John, I don't believe this is just 180 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: over lay in lord tennant, you know, just blastome lady 181 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: h much less some ritzy equestrian, high brow woman. No 182 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: over no, no, no, just the rent. I'm not buying that. 183 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: I think there's more to it. You've seen some of 184 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: the homicides way and John, Yeah, I tend to agree 185 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: with you, Nancy, And I'll look at this, uh in 186 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: a dual fashion. I actually own horses myself. I ride 187 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: quite a bit. There's a lot of drama out at 188 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: the barn. People get very upset over the littlest things. 189 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, that sounds like an episode of 190 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: something drama out of the barn. Go ahead, corbies will 191 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: tell you though. I mean the one one girl puts 192 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: her horse in a pasture with someone else's and the 193 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: horses kick each other. There's a little cut. My god, 194 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: you would think they ran over each other's kids. It's 195 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: it's there's a lot of drama. So I tend to agree. 196 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: But everybody on the call is correct, from the corby's 197 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: to the doctors. It doesn't your net, Earth doesn't matter. 198 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 1: Look at Jeff Epstein, right, Your network doesn't matter as 199 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: to whether or not you can be a heinous criminal. 200 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: But I do think this was over more than Hey, 201 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 1: I no longer want you to train here. And as 202 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: I read the history, in the fact pattern of the case, 203 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: we had these allegations. Now that in itself deserves an investigate. 204 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: What allegations The allegations that the victim made it against 205 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: barisone that he had abuse, sexually molested his children, things 206 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: of that nature. Okay, stop everything, stop everything. Cardillo has 207 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: just struck a nerve. You just cut the chase, right, 208 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: Dave mac Hello Crime Online emphasis investigative reporter. Investigate, you investigate, 209 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: then you report I didn't hear anything about claims of 210 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: sex abuse. Why did I get that from John Cardillo, 211 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: Dave mac investigate reporter. The reason you got that from 212 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,119 Speaker 1: John and not me is because when this was discussed 213 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: at his bail hearing, Okay, when Barrosone was in court, 214 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: it was all about a tenant landlord issue. That was 215 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: their argument. However, in the week before this shooting occurred Nancy, 216 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: there were six calls by police to the farm. Lauren 217 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: Canteract had made a number of complaints against Barrosone as 218 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: her landlord, about the condition of the home and that 219 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: he was violating codes. But another call was made to 220 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: the New Jersey version of Child Protective Services where canteract 221 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: And now this is purely us guessing as to what 222 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: she said. We know she made a call to Child 223 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: Protective Services. We don't know what she alleged, but we 224 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: know that about an hour before the shooting occurred, New 225 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: Jersey Child Protective Services were in They were there at 226 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: the farm interviewing Barrosone about his potential abuse of his 227 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: future step children. He's engaged to a woman who has 228 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: minor children as soon as New Jersey CPS leaves the property, 229 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: he marches out to the house. It's a two story 230 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: house in the middle of his property, and he walks 231 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: out there and confronts Lauren Counteract and her fiance, Rob Goodwin. 232 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: That's what happened. That's what led up to this actual shooting. 233 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: So this is not over rent. This is not over 234 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: rent at all. I knew it. I knew it, and 235 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: I knew it. Hold on, guys, I'm being joined right 236 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: now by Stephen Corby, right now, lawyer in an niche area, 237 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: an expert in safe sport. Stephen Corby, you know, at 238 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: first blush people may think, well, he had a weapon 239 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: in his barn for some reason and it went off. 240 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: That's not what happened at all. But I'm want your 241 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: opinion on what went down and way in on how 242 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: this relates to safe sports. Stephen Corby, Well, I think 243 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: it's important, Nancy to look at the timeline of events 244 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: that occurred and bleeding up to the shooting. So right before, 245 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: only a few days before the shooting occurred. Another Olympian 246 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: was banned permanently by safe Sport, George Morris, who was 247 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: given a lifetime band due to allegations of sexual assault 248 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: on miners, and the victim in this case had made 249 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: comments on Facebook that she was interested or maybe even 250 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: had contacted Safe Sport to tell them about some things 251 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: that Barrisone had allegedly done. And so in his mind 252 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 1: he's thinking, well, if I get banned, that's my entire livelihood. 253 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: And this other Olympian who's even bigger than I am, 254 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: just got banned for life after other allegations of the sort. 255 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: So this is only a couple days later. And what 256 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: you have to know about Safe Sport Nancy is it 257 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: was put in place after everything happened with the horrible 258 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: Larry Nasser situation, and it got moved over and it 259 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: covers all Olympians and also now covers the entire United 260 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: States Equestrian Foundation or Federation, and so its purpose is 261 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: mainly to investigate claims of sexual assault of members or 262 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: by members in that community and to determine whether or 263 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: not they can continue to stay a part of the organization. 264 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: And for some of these big guys, if they can't 265 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: be a part of the organization anymore, they lose millions, 266 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: millions of dollars. I have dedicated my life to crime victims, 267 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: to giving a voice to those who can no longer 268 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: speak for themselves. And that is why I work with 269 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: Oxygen to create a new show. Injustice with Nancy Grace. 270 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: We investigate cases that I believe never got it right, 271 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: from wrongly accused to botched investigations, to unclear motives to 272 00:18:54,920 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 1: unjust sentences. I don't just cover cases solve them. I 273 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 1: put my heart and soul in it. Dig deep, look 274 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: at the background, at the crime scene, at the families, 275 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: at the witnesses. I look at every tiny detail because 276 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: what matters to me is justice. Join us in our 277 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: search for the truth. Injustice with Nancy Grace. Watch now 278 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: on demand and every Saturday at six five Central only 279 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: on Oxygen, the True Network for crime crime stories with 280 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Doctor Bethany Marshall joining me psychoanalyst out of 281 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: la This shooting victim absolutely beautiful. I'm looking at a 282 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: photo of her right now. She looks, like she said, 283 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: like a cocktail party in a slinky black dress. Just 284 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: beautiful and a renowned equestrian. That doesn't happen overnight. Doctor 285 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 1: Bethany didn't just get there overnight, but she walked in 286 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: fear at pretty kisteen in the morning, there was like 287 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: a very very suspicious looking vehicle that came in to 288 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: the driveway going very slowly with a large suv and 289 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: it was going very slowly. I st just texted the 290 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: bar owner, how are you calling about the sufficial vehicle now? Yeah, 291 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: it just came back. Okay, hold on, we're weapons and 292 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: Folter mentioned, um, no, it all happened. Was just blacked 293 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: out at suv with like some guys whom looking a 294 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: cigarette and the front who had never seen before except 295 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: before last night, three fifteen in the morning, and we 296 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: overheard them talking about like, uh, sitting guys who like 297 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: hurt us, kill us whatever. We hold it to the 298 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: officers stefan noon and they know how we have the 299 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: SISTAINI and everything. Are you or anyone else in danger 300 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: right now? I'm out here again. What are you or 301 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: anyone else in danger right now? We feel very much 302 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 1: that he could be. You were just hearing nine one 303 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: one and listen to one of her posts. I'm being 304 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: bullied by a six foot three inch men bullied to 305 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: the point I'm afraid another post. Some people in life 306 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: seem to feel they are untouchable by anyone They feel 307 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: that just because they have one accomplishment under their belt, 308 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: that everyone will believe every word they say. I must 309 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: be very careful and take every single legal precaution I can, 310 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: as well as employ every resource to rectify this. Everything 311 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: from my life, livelihood, and even my writing career have 312 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 1: all been threatened should I refuse to adhere to the 313 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: things I've been being put through constantly. Those are some 314 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: of her post doctor Bethany. Wow. Wow. You know what 315 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: that tells me, Nancy, is that he was obsessed with her. 316 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: He was violating her rights. And we know if somebody, 317 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: let's look at Harvey Weinstein, if somebody has the kind 318 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: of personality where they violate the rights of others, where 319 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: they lack empathy, they relate to others on the basis 320 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: of power. They want to exploit and take advantage of 321 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: other people. The more money and the more wealth they have, 322 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: the more access they have to abusing everybody around them. 323 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: And this, Michael barrisone may have had something that we 324 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: call obsessional paranoia. That is the belief that somebody's presence 325 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: here on earth, another person's presence is there to humiliate you, 326 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: hurt you, harm you in some way, or is making 327 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: your life worse in some way, and people who have 328 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: obsessional paranoia become preoccupied with going after the victim to 329 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: punish them. And you know, Nancy, if she was writing 330 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: about this on Facebook, she wanted other people to know. 331 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: I mean, she really did feel frightened. It's it's not 332 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: like she's just saying it to her fiance at night. 333 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: She is putting this out in a public forum so 334 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: people will know that if something happens to her, it's 335 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: because of Michael Barrisone. And it's interesting she says he 336 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: has one accomplishment. She has many accomplishments, so keep using 337 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: this one accomplishment to have power over her. So note 338 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: that this is not a rental or tenant dispute. This 339 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: is somebody who wanted to have power over her and 340 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: wanted to punish her, and it escalated. Take a listen 341 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: to our friend at CBS two Tierra Jagway. According to 342 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: the complaint, when police arrived, they found Canterac's fiance and 343 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: Barrisone on the ground wrestling for the gun after Barrizone 344 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: fired shots and missed. Barrozone was taken into custody at 345 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: the scene and reportedly stayed in multiple Times to police quote, 346 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: I had a good life. The shooting taking place just 347 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: days after Lauren Canerac's close friend, confirms the CBS two 348 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: She posted on her Facebook page quote, I'm being bullied 349 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: by a six three man, bullied to the point I'm 350 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 1: afraid her neighbors. At a loss for words, stuff like 351 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean not happen around here. So that's odd, 352 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: and he's right. Our town has been fortunate that for 353 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: the last four or five years, we've actually been listed 354 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: as one of the most these safest towns in the nation, 355 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: according to the Morris County Prosecutor's Office. Michael barrisone is 356 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: being evaluated at a local hospital. Actually, Wilcott judge trial 357 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: lawyer at Scott dot com. Have you noticed how rich 358 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: and educated people don't think crime can ever enter their neighborhood. 359 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was thinking during this. They don't 360 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: think it can enter their neighborhood. But here's the other 361 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: half of it. Sometimes those are the very people that 362 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: think they're beyond the law, that they can get away 363 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: with it because they have such such a belief that 364 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: they're right, everybody else is wrong, and they're untouchable, you 365 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: know too Joseph Scot Morgan joining me, professor of forensics 366 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: at Jacksonville State University and author of Blood Beneath My 367 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon. Joe Scott, I find these postings to 368 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: be very probative as to the victim's state of mind 369 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: at the time she was shot. Now, whether they could 370 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: come into evidence as a whole other can of worms, 371 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: that's an evidentiary matter. But I find them very probitive. 372 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: What else jumps out at you as forensic proof in 373 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,719 Speaker 1: this case, well, obviously the shooting itself, Nancy, is going 374 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 1: to give you an idea of the relationship physical relationship 375 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: between them relative to things like range of fire. The 376 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: police officer that was calling out on the radio had said, 377 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: it looks like the subject has sustained two very close 378 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: range gunshot wounds. But you got to dig a little 379 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: bit deeper, Nancy, with these statements. This cuts both ways. 380 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: This person is saying she's being bullied, this person is 381 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: filing claims relative to things like, you know, a city 382 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: ordinance violations, and she's actually going out there saying this 383 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: man is a sexual predator. And you know, I gotta 384 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: tell you, Nancy, it seems as though she's throwing a 385 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: lot of stuff against the wall relative to this man's 386 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 1: life to see what it's going to stick. Uh. Yeah, 387 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: she's saying that he had one accomplishment. Well, another major 388 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 1: accomplishment is he's a businessman. He runs, he runs this facility, 389 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 1: and when it comes down to it, these people very 390 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: well may have been squatting and have been kneeling him 391 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: all these years or all these months just taking advantage 392 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 1: of How okay, so all these months, if they be 393 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 1: taking advantage of him, that tess one of your working theories. 394 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: But then when she reports alleged sex abuse on his part, 395 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: then he suddenly shoots her. Mm. Interesting in keeping with 396 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: Joff Scott Morgan's working theory, take a listen to Barrison's 397 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: defense lawyer Jeff Simson fifty four years Mister barros Selman 398 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: has not had a blemish on his record. We also 399 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: know him that it is well known within the community. 400 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: He owns the property on which the witched victims or 401 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 1: squatters judge we're asked to, We've numerous judges have taken 402 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: over the property. Why don't you say you characterize him 403 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: a squat They are judge squatters in the law has 404 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: a particular connotation different than tenants law the tenants. That's 405 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: my understuading. It's my understanding. You can correct me from 406 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: the all. What was the nature of their relationship? He 407 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: was standing on the property. The relationship was Judge that 408 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: what they were finished training the horses, they were no 409 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: longer allowed to stay on the part was that written 410 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: in name Lisa Quiver sUAS. I don't believe so. But 411 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: these people have not paid right. When I say squatters, Judge, 412 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: I mean squatters simply because they were no longer allowed 413 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: to be on their property pursued to their verbal agreement 414 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 1: with mister Garrison. So I'm so glad they said that that. 415 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: That really cleared everything up for me. So they're squatters. 416 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: So he shot her twice in the chest. You know what, 417 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: I don't think that's how the eviction process is supposed 418 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: to work. Straight out to Stephen Corby, not only an 419 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: expert in safe sport but lawyer as well. Stephen Corby, 420 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: what about it? Yeah, I completely agree with you, Nancy. 421 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: I'm actually a bit surprised that the Defense Council focused 422 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: so much on that that would justify any of the 423 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: actions that occurred. In fact, if anything, it just goes 424 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: further to show that his own client was frustrated at 425 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: the process because he believes that they are squatters instead 426 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: of lawful tenants. But you know, the relationship between these 427 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: parties goes back pretty far. It sounds like the victim 428 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: had been training horses with barrisone in twenty eighteen as 429 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: well throughout the whole summer, and had trained at the 430 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: beginning of this summer as well, and some of these 431 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: problems it looks like didn't start until the end of 432 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 1: June or July. And when you're talking about moving this 433 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: many horses and you've been at a facility for so long, 434 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: of course you can't get immediately out. And so even 435 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: without a contract, I don't see how there wouldn't be 436 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: a landlord tenant relationship that would require some sort of 437 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: lawful eviction clime stories with Nancy Grace. Yeah, I own 438 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: this place via some who have been living on this place. 439 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: And we're told to knocking in the horse barn after 440 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: nine pm. And they're in the horse barn. They're scumbags 441 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: and I want them warned. They have chased us out 442 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: of our house and I need this still with tonight, 443 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: you were just hearing a series of nine one one 444 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: calls calls it were brewing before the double shooting went down, 445 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: to suggest that he shot them because they were squatters. 446 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: That's not self defense. That is shooting out of anger 447 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: or revenge. That equals in many cases murder charges when 448 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: you shoot someone out of anger or revenge. Take a 449 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: listen to what the prosecutor there in Morris County says 450 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: Christopher Shellhorn. She's sustained two gunstout wounds to the to 451 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: the Torso judge, she is receiving excellent medical she even 452 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: have worst town medical center. As we've come to know 453 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: through other cases. The second victim RG has returned to 454 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: the residents. He's continued to care for the horse is 455 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: that are on the property, has continued to maintain that 456 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: I guess association with the stables. Certainly there is a 457 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: real danger to the victims here. The defendant went there 458 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: on August seven with a particular goal in mind, and 459 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: that was he could not find resolution through the civil courts, 460 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: He could not find resolution through the police, and he 461 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: went there that day with an intention to find resolution 462 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: by murdering his adversaries. You know, this woman sustains two 463 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: gunshots to the torso over what Dave Matt Crime online 464 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter explain the timeline to me again, 465 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: where you believe she made a sex abuse claim against 466 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: the equestrian olympian Michael beerrisone just before the shooting. Well, 467 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: what we know, Nancy, is that just before the shooting, 468 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: the New Jersey version of Child Protective Services actually was 469 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: on the premise is doing a one on one interview 470 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: with Michael Barrozone. They were there discussing his future step children, 471 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: the children the minor children of his fiance. After they left, 472 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: that's when Michael Barrozone grabbed that black and pink gun 473 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: and went to confront Lauren Canteract and her fiance Rob Goodwin. So, 474 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: bottom line, how do we prove or disprove this to you? 475 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanas joining me out of la Doctor Bethany, 476 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: what do you make of the sequence of the events 477 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: and now she's fighting for her life in a hospital bed. Well, 478 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: I think that there are no perfect victims. Obviously they 479 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: were playing into the situation with Barrozone in some way, 480 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: but look, only one person pulled a trigger, that is 481 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: the perpetrator and that tells me that he is the 482 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: one who have the homicidal thoughts, He is the one 483 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: who's mostly at fault. It seems like, you know, sometimes 484 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: people can fight, but they don't really understand completely what 485 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: they're fighting about. And it seems to me that the 486 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: three of these three individuals were engaged in some vicious 487 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: fight that we, as the outsiders, cannot be privy to. 488 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: And the fight may have even been about the horses, 489 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: like how well the horses were cared for. It could 490 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: have been about values and ethics, that they felt that 491 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: they were better horsey people than Barristone was, or they 492 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: didn't like the way he was taking care of the property, 493 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: or maybe they became obsessed with the new stepchildren and 494 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: that he was going to violate them. But there was 495 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: some colossal war taking place between the three of them 496 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: over something that we cannot know about. It is not 497 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: about tenants rights, it is really not, and I don't 498 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: think it was about the step children. It was probably 499 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: some ideology. But I think that when they reported him 500 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: as a possible perpetrator to the stepchildren, they were taking 501 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: something precious away from him, which was this potential marriage. 502 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: And we know when somebody's already homicidal, they're about to 503 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: face up with loss, they become even more homicidal. So 504 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: I think that that was the final precipitating event before 505 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: he went over and shot her twice in the chest. 506 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: You wanted to kill her, Nancy. He shot her in 507 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: the in the chest. He aimed to kill, and not 508 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: once but twice. To Deanna Corby, jassage trainer and expert, Danna, 509 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: it's hard for regular people like me, like a lot 510 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: of us, to relate to this world, this elite world 511 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: of multi millionaires equestrian experts in that culture are the 512 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: coaches and the trainers like Demi Gods. Well, how do 513 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: they get away with it? Well, yeah, they kind of 514 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: are like celebrities. Um. Michael barrisone is a highly accomplished 515 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: and sought after Olympic level jassage trainer and he actively 516 00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: trains many many students and in indies instructor trainer and 517 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: student relationships, the relationship becomes really really close because the 518 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: large amount of time that they're spent together and the 519 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: trust that's required to work together. So here you are 520 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: as a student trusting your trainer, spending a ton of 521 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: time with the trainer. You admire this person, you want 522 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: to learn from this person, you want to be like 523 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:30,879 Speaker 1: this person, and you sort of become jaded in your 524 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: vision of that person, or you can become jaded in 525 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: your vision of that person because that person that you're 526 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: training with is your idol. So it's easy to overlook things. 527 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: I guess, Stephen Corby, what will happen now, Stephen Corby 528 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:50,240 Speaker 1: with me, lawyer and renowned expert in safe sport, Nancy, Yeah, 529 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: so I agree that I think it's very unlikely to 530 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: be a landlord tenant issue. I don't think that that's 531 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: probably what triggered it, and I think your instincts are 532 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: right there. You know again, I I think this is 533 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: really about the accusations of child abuse and how it 534 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: ties in with the safe sport world because of the 535 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: loss of livelihood and possibly the loss of a significant 536 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: amount of money. And to your point earlier than you 537 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: asked Diana, about why people allow these these trainers to 538 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: really have so much power and why they don't speak 539 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 1: up against them, And that's the whole reason safe sport exists. 540 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: It's because people were afraid to make allegations or accusations 541 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 1: against persons because then they would be ostracized in their 542 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: communities and possibly not allowed to train with other famous professionals. 543 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,760 Speaker 1: And so it was this real big fear of silence, 544 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: and so Safe Sport came along and said, Okay, make 545 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: your accusations to us. We'll investigate, we'll keep everything quiet, 546 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: we won't let anyone say anything about the accusers or 547 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,240 Speaker 1: the victims, and will make an independent termination that won't 548 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,439 Speaker 1: harm your future career. And that's the reason it's really 549 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,240 Speaker 1: been put into places to help make people feel safe 550 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,879 Speaker 1: in making these accusations. Fortunately, it didn't seem to make 551 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: the victim, Lauren here in the situation safe. Dave Mack, 552 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: this guy now sitting behind bars, a US equestrian olympian, 553 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: after you know, pounding this woman with at least two 554 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,280 Speaker 1: gunshot ones to the Torso. I think it was about money. 555 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: I think it was about the alleged sex allegations. But 556 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 1: I think more than that, I really believe it's about 557 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: status and reputation and the way he perceives he's viewed 558 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: in this rarefied equestrian community. I think that's what he 559 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 1: didn't want. He didn't want to be embarrassed by her 560 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: and her claims. I think that was the motive. I 561 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,280 Speaker 1: think you're absolutely right. See, Lauren had been around Barrizone 562 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,800 Speaker 1: for a long time and apparently there were no complaints. 563 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, all of a sudden, in 564 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 1: the last couple of months, one complaint after another. It 565 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: was just throwing. It was like throwing complaints against a wall. 566 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Financy Grace Crime Stories, signing off, 567 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: goodbye friend,