1 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor Prediction of iHeartRadio. I'm An 2 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: Eery and. 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: I'm Learn Vogelbaum, and today we have an episode for 4 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 2: you about the mocha pot. 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: Yes, was there any particular reason this was on your 6 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: mind for it? 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: Ah, don't. I don't think there was. I think I 8 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: was kind of maybe I just wanted another cup of 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 2: coffee while I was doing my ideation process, and then 10 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: I was like, ooh, mocha pots. I could be simple 11 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: as that could be, since not sure could have been anything. 12 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: I only have one experience with the mocha pot. 13 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 2: It is a shared experience. 14 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: Yes it is. And I think I've told it before 15 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: on the show, but I shall tell it again. 16 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 17 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: Yes, many years ago, Lauren and I we went to 18 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: south By, Southwest and we were sharing a house with 19 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 1: several of our. 20 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 2: Coworkers, a house in which to sleep, not a house 21 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: in which entertainment was occurring, as event, which is. 22 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: A thing that does happen. Yeah, my Southwest. 23 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, we were sharing like an airbnb. 24 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, exactly. And Jerry of stuff you should know 25 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: and many other things. 26 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 2: Super producer Jerry, wonderful human person. 27 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: Had him kapot. I had no idea what it was, 28 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: never had encountered one in my life, and I'm not 29 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,839 Speaker 1: entirely sure how this chain of events played out. 30 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: She was kindly allowing us to use it to make 31 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 2: coffee in the morning. It was like one of the 32 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 2: slightly larger ones, so you know, like you could make 33 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: a good couple cups of coffee at once in it. 34 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: And Caroline Irvin, one of the former hosts of Stuff 35 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 2: Mom Never Told You, was also there. She was and. 36 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: She and I were trying to use this moke pot, 37 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: and through unforeseen events circumstances, broke the handle clean off 38 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: and looked at each other panicked, didn't know what to do. 39 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: Jerry is our boss, was our boss. Caroline ran out 40 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: of the room, ran away, Yeah, and I quickly ran 41 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: as well, if that tells you anything about my personality. 42 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: Just scattered as though we were all in a French farce, just. 43 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: Literally ran away. Caroline was trying to find glue. She 44 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: was trying to find a solution. I was absolutely panicking. 45 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to do anything other than remove myself 46 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: from the situation and blame that could occur upon me. 47 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: And then Jerry was so cool about it. 48 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course, of course she was. She's Jerry, 49 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: She's so great. She was like, oh yeah, it's no 50 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 2: big deal. We were like, wasn't it your great aunts 51 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: or something. She was like, yeah, that's okay, let's pop 52 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 2: it back on there. That's cool. 53 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: It was a very uh a fun traumatic. It was 54 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: a roller coaster. It was a roller coaster, is what 55 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: it was. And that is my experience with the moke 56 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: pot I But this is also the trip where Lauren 57 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: and I, especially you Lauren, got the idea for Savors. 58 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: So this was a it was a momentous trip, not 59 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: just because. 60 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: Of yeah yeah, I mean you know, like like the 61 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 2: the idea seed was because you brought us to so 62 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: many amazing places around Austin to eat food. So so 63 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: here we are, here, we are continuing the journey. I 64 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 2: didn't know what a moga pot was then now. 65 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: I have learned. 66 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have never personally owned amoga pot. I did 67 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: know a little bit more about them than apparently y'all 68 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: did at the time, But now I'm like, I should 69 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 2: probably own a mocha pot. Why don't I? I did. 70 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: I did drink a lot of coffee while I was 71 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,679 Speaker 2: writing this outline because I was just if I'm thinking 72 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: about coffee, I can't not drink it. Yeah, So if 73 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: I sound a little bit faster than normal, it's only 74 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: because I'm slightly starting to like vibrate through space and time, 75 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 2: but only slightly, only slightly in a fun way, you know. 76 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go. You can see our past episodes 77 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: on coffee and espresso for more on that. 78 00:04:54,080 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 2: Absolutely both are both are very instrumental in everything that's 79 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 2: going to go on here. But but yeah, so definitely 80 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 2: check those out if you are curious about yeah, all 81 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 2: of that. 82 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, this was This is definitely an episode that 83 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: has very big I hesitate to even see, say, rabbit holes, 84 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: but it's just got a lot that came together for 85 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: it to come together. So well, I guess that does 86 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: bring us through our question. 87 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: I guess it does. Yeah. Sure, if y'all have never 88 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: heard of this device, then you're probably going like, what where, whom? 89 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: Well, all excellent questions. Indeed, the mocha pot, what is it? 90 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 2: Well, a moga pot is a type of home coffee 91 00:05:54,040 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 2: maker for making like espresso, adjacent coffee. It's it's not 92 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 2: electronic or it's not usually electronic. It is a small 93 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: kettle usually made of metal, often aluminium, that you operate 94 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: by heating it on a stovetop traditionally over a gas flame, 95 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,799 Speaker 2: but you can use other types of stovetops just fine. 96 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: And this coffee maker basically runs on internal steam pressure 97 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: power due to the physical design of the pot, which 98 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 2: is just three interconnected chambers for the water, the coffee grounds, 99 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 2: and the finished coffee. I'll get into specifics in a 100 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 2: minute here, but yeah, it's basically like a steam powered 101 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 2: coffee fountain. A mocha pot is easy to use, easy 102 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 2: to clean, won't burn your coffee, and partially because you're 103 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,559 Speaker 2: using fine ground beans, makes a cup that's a little 104 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: bit stronger than what you would get out of like 105 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 2: a drip coffee maker or a pour over. Most of 106 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 2: the time, it is like having an espresso maker at home. 107 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 2: If you're willing to let the word like do some 108 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 2: real heavy lifting there. It's a it's a stove top 109 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: coffee kettle. Oh and the and the outward design is 110 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: traditionally like a shiny eight sided uh geometric aluminium thing. 111 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: Very very futurist. If you're unfamiliar with futurism as an 112 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: art category. I think like deco but harder. And so 113 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: if you're into that kind of thing, it's real esthetic, 114 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 2: just real cute, and yeah, it's practical and pleasing and 115 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 2: you get coffee out of it. It is. It is 116 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 2: a perfect machine. 117 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: It does look it manages to look very I guess 118 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: steampunk is a good it's it's very futuristic but also 119 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: kind of old timing. 120 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a little bit of both. That's absolutely what 121 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: futurism is, like, yeah, uh, and yeah, it's it's cool 122 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 2: because it is so simple. Ingenius is a word that 123 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: I ran across a lot in my reading today. Like 124 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: many ingenious things, it's a little difficult to describe aloud, though, 125 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: so bear with me. Okay. So a mocha pot is 126 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 2: made up of, as I said, three chambers that you 127 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 2: lock together in order to use it. The one on 128 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 2: the bottom that's right up against the heat source is 129 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: basically just a cup that holds water. There's also a 130 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: safety valve on one side of it to vent steam 131 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 2: just in case something goes wrong with the process, so 132 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 2: that the kettle doesn't you know, explode. Good looking out excellent. 133 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 2: So that's the bottom chamber. The center chamber is where 134 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,359 Speaker 2: you put the coffee grounds, and it's in this funnel shape. 135 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: The wide, thick head of the funnel is a basket 136 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: that holds the grounds and the long narrow tail of 137 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: the funnel dips down into the water in the lower chamber. 138 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: You put a filter plate down on top of the 139 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 2: center chamber to secure the grounds with a gasket sandwiched 140 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 2: in there to create a good seal. And so yeah, yeah, 141 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: you you you slot the center chamber into the base 142 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 2: and then screw on the upper chamber. And the upper 143 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: chamber is basically a coffee fountain. It's got a long 144 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: vertical spout in the center that the coffee comes up 145 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 2: through and then and then pours out of filling the 146 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 2: basin surrounding the spout. The upper chamber also has a 147 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 2: lid on top and like a heat resistant handle on 148 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 2: the outside and a pouring spout. Yeah, and here's how 149 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 2: it works. You put the whole thing together with you know, 150 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: water in the bottom chamber and coffee grounds in the center, 151 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: and you put it on a heat source. The heat 152 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: will simmer the water in the bottom chamber and that 153 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 2: creates steam, which is you know, trying to expand. But 154 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 2: it's trapped, so it just increases the pressure on the 155 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: remaining liquid water, and eventually the pressure becomes great enough 156 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 2: that the liquid water is forced up through the tail 157 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 2: of the funnel into the coffee grounds in the middle chamber. 158 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 2: The grounds there infuse flavors and colors into the hot water, 159 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 2: and the continuing pressure from below forces this coffee infused 160 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 2: water otherwise known as coffee up through the filter that 161 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: you secured to the top and then up into the 162 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: top chamber through its central spout, like water coming up 163 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 2: through the middle of a fountain. The coffee then collects 164 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: in the basin of the top chamber. The whole process 165 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 2: only takes a couple minutes, and you know the coffee 166 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 2: is done when you hear like the last little bits 167 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 2: of water sputtering through the upper spout with a little gurgle. Yeah. 168 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: And then yeah, you just lift the kettle off the 169 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: heat source with the usually black plastic handle, assuming it 170 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 2: doesn't fall off, and you pour yourself a cup of coffee. 171 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: Nice with the handle staying on. Would have been would 172 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: have been spectacular. 173 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 2: It's really convenient when that happens. Yeah, when when it 174 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 2: stays on. 175 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: Mh. 176 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 2: And yeah, this Uh. This thing is extra clever in 177 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 2: that it doesn't apply heat directly to the chamber holding 178 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 2: the coffee, and it furthermore like self regulates the temperature 179 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 2: of the water, like the pressure valve that I mentioned 180 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: would start venting if the water reached a full hard boil, 181 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: so the water is not so hot that it burns 182 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: the delicate flavor oils in the beans. Note, however, that 183 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 2: this is not an espresso. To make a proper espresso, 184 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 2: you need to force water through tamped grounds at a 185 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 2: much higher pressure in a In a mocha pot on 186 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: a stovetop, you're working with like maybe one and a 187 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 2: half to two. In an espresso machine, you're doing like 188 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 2: nine bars. So it's it's nice. It's still nice. Mocha 189 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 2: pots do come in various sizes and from various manufacturers 190 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 2: in slightly different formats. You can also buy electric mocha pots, 191 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 2: which work the same basic way, but come with the 192 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 2: heating element built into the bottom. You have to plug 193 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 2: them in. Yeah, that silvery aluminum with a black plastic 194 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 2: candle is the classic, but they do come in other 195 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 2: heat safe materials and all kinds of colors and patterns 196 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 2: as well. I mean like, I don't know, did you 197 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 2: need a Stranger Things themed mocha pot, because that's something 198 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 2: you can buy. 199 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: Interesting, okay, sure? 200 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: Or squid Games or north Face or yeah, I don't know, 201 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 2: delcha in Gabana, let's go. Yeah. The classic brand Bioletti 202 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: usually features a cartoon drawing of this, like dapperly dressed 203 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 2: man with a big mustache and one hand raised and pointed. Uh. 204 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: It's usually somewhere on the pot, on the Stranger Things pot. 205 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 2: He's upside down, get it? Oh? Yeah. Also, I will 206 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 2: say that there is argument amongst moke pot aficionados about 207 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 2: which brands are better. This is not my purview, though, 208 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 2: I will say that the common consensus seems sensible. It's 209 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: the brands that use silicone gaskets instead of rubber ones 210 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 2: seal better and hold up better in the long run. 211 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: Whoa listeners, right, you've got strong opinions. 212 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. You know that we love strong opinions. 213 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 2: And I will say, yeah, the original pot is considered 214 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 2: like a true paragon of design, like it is in 215 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: the collections of like MoMA and the Smithsonian Design Museum 216 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 2: stuff like that. 217 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: So it does look I mean, it looks it's very 218 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: esthetically pleasing. Yeah yeah, well what about the nutrition. 219 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: Ah, do not eat coffee makers, no matter how ingenious 220 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 2: or aesthetically pleasing they are. 221 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: Okay, well, we do have some numbers for you. 222 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 2: We do. From its inception up through twenty twenty two, 223 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 2: some three hundred and thirty million Bletti mocha pots were sold. Also, 224 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: a study from two thousand and nine, I think from 225 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 2: Bletti found that I think it's a survey maybe, found 226 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 2: that like ninety percent Italian households do in fact have 227 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 2: a mocha pot. And at that time Bioletti was selling 228 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: some two million moga pots a year. Wow. Also, this 229 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: isn't necessarily a number more cultural note, but okay. During 230 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 2: the Venetian Carnival this year twenty twenty six, there is 231 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 2: going to be a biographical live theater piece that tells 232 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 2: the story of the Boltti family and the creation of 233 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 2: the mocha pot from the dreamy point of view of 234 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: the youngest daughter. It's going up the last two weekends 235 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 2: of Carnival, February seventh and fourteenth. It's free. It's at 236 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: the M nine museum, y'all let us know. 237 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: Oh yes, oh, if you go to see that on 238 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: Valentine's Day. I salute you. I really maybe you met 239 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: over Moca pond. Yes, jeez, I desperately want to hear 240 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: more about this. 241 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: So yeah, I understand that it incorporates yeah like spoken 242 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: word and I'll say some dance and I'll yeah, I'm 243 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 2: real curious about all of this, so I really, oh, 244 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 2: I hope there's a video. 245 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: Me as well. And I have to say, b l e. 246 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: They've got some mythos behind them, They've got some legends 247 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: and lore. 248 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: Wow, they do in a way that made it difficult 249 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: to untangle some of the historical reading here. But untangle 250 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 2: it I believe we have and we are going to 251 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 2: get into that as soon as we get back from 252 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 2: a quick break for a word from our sponsors, and 253 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: we're back. Thank you sponsored, Yes, thank you, so yes. 254 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,719 Speaker 2: See our coffee episodes for more Espresso episode for more. 255 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 2: But here we are mostly talking about Italy and coffee, 256 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 2: and coffee brewing methods arrived in Italy from Africa by 257 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 2: the seventeenth century, so for a long time the method 258 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 2: of brewing remained unchanged. It was very basically boiling water 259 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 2: and coffee three times in a metal plot and that's 260 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 2: how they did it. With industrialization came innovation, though, including 261 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 2: the first Italian patent for an espresso machine in nineteen 262 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 2: oh six. It was called La Pavoni after the inventor 263 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 2: and involved water being boiled into a tube through a 264 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 2: circular layer of ground up coffee. He brought it to 265 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 2: the World's Fair in Milan. He introduced it to a 266 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 2: lot of folks who came. The problem was it was 267 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 2: really expensive and too big. 268 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: For most households, but the idea helped pave the way 269 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:16,959 Speaker 1: for the mocha pot or depending on the source, The 270 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: first patent fourna espresso esque machine dates back to an 271 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: Italian inventor in eighteen eighty four. It was also a 272 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: large steam based device in the inventor he never actually 273 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: manufactured any of them because it was too much of 274 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: a pain. His patent was then the stepping off point 275 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: for another patent and then eventually the Law Pavoni. Most 276 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 1: people are, at least that's what I thought when I 277 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: first started this. Credit Luigi di Ponti with inventing the 278 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: moca pot in Italy and nineteen thirty three. He used 279 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,959 Speaker 1: aluminum for the body with the idea of creating a 280 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: stove top coffee maker that relied on pressure for brewing. 281 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 1: He called it the Boca Express, and then Italian Alfonso 282 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: Biletti purchased the patent and then put the device in 283 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: production and popularized it, so people give him a lot 284 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: of credit to and in some versions of the history, 285 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: du Ponti developed it for Blet, not just like a 286 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: passing thing. At the time. Bletti just returned to Italy 287 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: from working at an aluminum studio in France to make 288 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: homemade metal products, and this was something on his. 289 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: Radar at the time. Italy had a bunch of aluminum 290 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 2: ore to work with. It was basically like the national 291 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 2: metal of choice for affordable goods, you know, like if 292 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 2: you could afford a silver coffee service set, you might 293 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 2: have one of those. But aluminum was a nice alternative. 294 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: Yes. And when I was talking about some of the 295 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: bigger historical factors impacting the mocha pot and this episode 296 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: that we cannot get into in depth, Mussolini had implemented 297 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: an embargo on stainless steel. So there was an element 298 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: of fascism as well going on here. Notably, this was 299 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: an element of futurism and modernism in Italy. So the fascism, Yeah, yes, 300 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 1: a lot of people have written about that and it 301 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: was a part of the history. If you want to 302 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: look into it, it exists. 303 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 2: Yep. We are a food show. 304 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 1: Yes yes, even though it can be very difficult sometimes 305 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: to parse that out. The octagonal design and material really 306 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: catered to that whole thing, though Bilet also took inspiration 307 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: from a smaller coffee device, the Napolitana. It was simple enough. 308 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: It was a three chamber device, one chamber for water, 309 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: one for coffee, and the last for bird coffee. Biletti 310 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: lore suggest that the design was based on early clothes 311 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: washing machines, amongst other things, and the process was very 312 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: similar for these washing machines. 313 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, a pressurized thing that yeah, pushed water through 314 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 2: a chamber. Yeah yeah. 315 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: The mocha pot was a big deal in a lot 316 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: of ways, the design, the use of aluminum, but also 317 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: that it allowed folks to make an espresso substitute in 318 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: their home, something that was largely out of reach previously. 319 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: This was especially useful during the economic slump Italy experience 320 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: during the nineteen thirties, so people didn't necessarily have to 321 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: go to cafes to get their caffeine fixed, they could 322 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: get it at home. This has an added layer when 323 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: it comes to women who generally weren't allowed in public 324 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: coffeehouses in Italy at the time. The mocha pot gained 325 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: popularity fairly quickly because of all these things, only more 326 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: so after metal factories were no longer producing arms during 327 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: World War Two and were refocusing their efforts on what 328 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: else they could make the price of coffee and aluminum 329 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: went down as well, and there was a burgeoning middle 330 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: class in Italy. Still, there was plenty of room to grow. 331 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: And that brings us to Alfonso's son, Renato Biletti, who 332 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: took over the company in nineteen forty six. And he 333 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: really made it his mission to get the mocha pot 334 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: to succeed. That was his whole big. 335 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and it worked. I read that they sold 336 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 2: some twenty million units in a little over ten years, and. 337 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: The marketing was good too. Yes. BLT commissioned a drawing 338 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: of Renato complete with a very striking mustache, the little 339 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: Man with the mustache as they called him. He looks 340 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: like the mayor from a Nightmare for Christmas today. I 341 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: see that, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I believe they still 342 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: use the image on the side of their pots. 343 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 344 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: This was soon after Renato took over and they started 345 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: running television ads as well. Beginning in the nineteen fifties, 346 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: the company started running ads divorcing themselves or at least 347 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: attempting to from previously held fascist influence mindsets around women 348 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: in coffee, with ads like women drinking mocha pot, brood 349 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: coffee around men in suits. This is another big issue, 350 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: just the the stark difference in the ads they ran 351 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: of like women stay at home to women no, you 352 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: can drink coffee now and. 353 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 2: Wow fascinating fascinating. 354 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: Yeah. Topic for another podcast, yep. A mass migration of 355 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: Italian immigrants post World War Two led to the introduction 356 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: of mocha pots to places like Argentina, Peru. In Venezuela. 357 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: In the aftermath of Cuba's nineteen fifty nine revolution, coffee 358 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,719 Speaker 1: rations were introduced in the form of coffee packets that 359 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: often contained fillers in order to make them last. Cuba 360 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: had a huge history with coffee, so a lot of 361 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 1: people turned to moga pots to brew better coffee with 362 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: what they had access to. That also could be a 363 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: whole episode as the demand for espresso spread across the globe. 364 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: In the nineteen seventies, the moca pot saw a rise 365 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: in foreign exports. It was highly associated with Italian cuisine 366 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: and culture, and particularly Italian coffee culture. However, moca pots 367 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: saw decline for several reasons beginning in the nineteen nineties. 368 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: There are a lot of theories as to why coffee 369 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: pods when they came along Starbucks changing the American coffee 370 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: landscape with the help of the espresso machines that became 371 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: increasingly more available, the fact that moapot were generally an 372 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: at home, communal sort of device. Espresso purist claiming it 373 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: can't produce espresso, so what are we even doings. 374 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 2: It's hard to say if you didn't live through the 375 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 2: nineteen nineties and you for some reason haven't watched Friends. 376 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 2: Not that that's a terrific show necessarily, but just like 377 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 2: it's really omnipresent, right, Yeah, like exactly how intense the 378 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 2: coffee shop culture in America was at that time. 379 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, absolutely, well, whatever the case. When Renaldo Bielatti 380 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: died in twenty sixteen, his ashes were buried in a 381 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: large replica Mocha pot. 382 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, that the urn. They made an urn shaped like 383 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 2: a mocha pot, and that is what they interred him in. 384 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: Yes. Indeed, in twenty eighteen, there was a lot of 385 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: talk about the future of Biltti Industries. However, the Moca 386 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: Pot is experiencing a sort of nostalgia fueled rise. Not 387 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: only that, but during COVID lockdowns, people showed a renewed 388 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: or newfound interest in making something like espresso at home. 389 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: Social media also helped give it a boost. To that end, 390 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: Bilotti released a line of ground coffee products specifically designed 391 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: for their brand of Moca Pot Express. 392 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 2: Yeah. I believe that they also got into some some 393 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 2: coffee pod business themselves at that time. However, in April 394 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five, Bioletti announced that it was selling 395 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 2: a majority holding of its company to this Hong Kong 396 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 2: holding firm called Newo or Nuo Capital. I saw it 397 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 2: spelled out a couple different ways. This was amongst some 398 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 2: like reportedly poor investments and increasing petition from pod style coffeemakers. 399 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 2: I couldn't find any follow ups about whether the deal 400 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 2: was allowed to go through like regulations wise and in 401 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 2: what and like what in practicality that is going to 402 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 2: mean for the brand going forward, but developing, developing story. Then, 403 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 2: in June of twenty twenty five, Celestina Bioletti, the youngest 404 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 2: of Alfonso's kids. She was born in nineteen forty five, 405 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 2: she published with a co writer a semi autobiographical, fictionalized 406 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 2: account of how the mocha pot came to be within 407 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 2: her family. The title, in translation is a Dream of 408 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 2: Dust and Water. It is what the play that I 409 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 2: mentioned above is based on. 410 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: That's a good title. 411 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 2: It's a really good title, right, Yeah, that is poetry. 412 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 2: I was like, all right, yeah, sure. 413 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: That's something you would pick up and be like, ooh, 414 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 1: I'm about to read an American tragedy or something. 415 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 2: Coffee maker. Yeah sure, which, honestly, through a lot of 416 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 2: this research, I could go that way. Yeah yeah, Oh 417 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 2: my goodness. Yeah. I uh. I was saying to Annie 418 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 2: before we started recording, like I'm sorry that, like we 419 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 2: keep like accidentally doing these topics that might be better 420 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 2: served on your feminist podcast. 421 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all good. I mean, that's why we keep saying. 422 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: This is why food is such an important topic. You 423 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: think that you can isolate it from all these other issues, 424 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: and you just can't know. 425 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 2: It is, everything is tied together, but. 426 00:28:54,200 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: I do find it fascinating that Bioletti has really made it. 427 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: It was hard to get stories outside of theirs. 428 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but there I mean there are again, there 429 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 2: are many brands out there who make this type of device, 430 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 2: and yeah, it's oh, it's it's fascinating. I want I 431 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 2: want to look into so many, so many of these 432 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 2: little and not little, large, gigantic side quests. 433 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: Yes, and I'm sure we shall, But I think that's 434 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: what we have to say about the Mocha Pop for now. 435 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 2: It is. We would love to hear any of your 436 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 2: stories about it, though, But before we do that, we 437 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 2: have one more quick break for a word from our sponsors, 438 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 2: and we're back. Thank you, sponsor, Yes, thank you, And 439 00:29:54,640 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 2: we're back with listeners. 440 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, steam pouring the coffee. Oh yeah, yes, Okay, So 441 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: we have two messages about Castile today. The first one 442 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: includes a lot of French and I'm gonna do my 443 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: very best. 444 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got this. I can't help it, all sorry. 445 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: Twelve years of French down the journey. No, I got this. 446 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: I got this close enough, all right, Zara wrote, I've 447 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: just started listening to your episode on Castle, but I 448 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: thought you might like a few recipes for it from 449 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: the Laruese des Cuisine Dumns two thousand and one edition. 450 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: There's the Castelet du Bonac. Then there's Castle de Castel 451 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: Naberri from Black Cuisine Sans souci copyright nineteen seventy three, 452 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: imprint of nineteen ninety five from the Robert Lafonte Bouquine collection, 453 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: which is the worst for a book. This doesn't have 454 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: a picture. And finally the entry for Cassalet and the 455 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: l use Gastronaumique two thousand and four imprint. They're all 456 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: in French, so you might need a little help reading them, 457 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: but if you like making your own recipe after reading 458 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: a few examples, they'll help you for sure. Yes, and 459 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: there were images of the recipes included if any of 460 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: you listeners want them. I did enjoy looking over them. 461 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: So many opportunities, so many options. 462 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I do like making my own recipe after 463 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 2: reading a few examples, So that's so thank you for 464 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 2: the spread. 465 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good ideation. It's a good like jumping off. 466 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 2: Point yeah yeah, yeah, like like seeing seeing what different 467 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 2: people are doing with it and going like all right, Yeah, 468 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 2: this might work, it might not. Let's find out I 469 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 2: might have omitted a key part of the process. Let's go. 470 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: You learn, you live, and you'll learn more. 471 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 2: Mary wrote, thanks for your great episode on castle a. 472 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 2: I wanted to share that my family does a variation 473 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 2: of castle at every year for the Sunday after Thanksgiving. 474 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 2: We do a weekly Sunday pot luck, and castle At 475 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 2: day is always a favorite. My mom, a dietician, recommends 476 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 2: that we should find more ways to incorporate beans into 477 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 2: our diet. A plus, this dish is a great way 478 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 2: to use up some leftovers. Thank you again for sharing 479 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 2: the history and deliciousness of castle at. 480 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,479 Speaker 1: Oh that's great. 481 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 2: I love a weekly Sunday pot luck. That's so nice. Yes, 482 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 2: that sounds and a castle at is an excellent dish 483 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 2: for that. Oh right. Yeah. Oh man, I need to 484 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 2: get myself together and make that. 485 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. This kind of makes me nostalgic for when we 486 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: were doing in person dungeons and dragon sessions. Yeah, I 487 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: feel like that would have been a good Oh. 488 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 2: That would have been a great one. 489 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: Heck, well, the future is open, Laura. 490 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 2: There you go, there you go. Okay, I'll go look 491 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 2: up some recipes you guys got me. 492 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: Well. Thank you so much to both of these listeners 493 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: for writing in. If you would like, tried to as 494 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: you can, or emails hello at saberpod dot com. 495 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 2: We're also on social media. You can find us on 496 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 2: Instagram and blue Sky at saber pod and we do 497 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 2: hope to hear from you. 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