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Speaker 3: How you doing, brother?

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Speaker 4: Doing good? Brother?

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Speaker 1: How you're doing?

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you, man.

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Speaker 2: I know this is a very busy season, man, and

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Speaker 3: Last time we spoke, you had just signed.

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Speaker 2: What has it been like we threw four weeks now,

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Speaker 1: It's been a blessing for sure, kind of like related

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Speaker 2: But it's crazy because it's always like growing pains with

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Speaker 3: How do you take care of you?

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Speaker 3: You pretty good at two K. I'm pretty you on

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Speaker 3: You nice like that? So we can play after this

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Speaker 3: and you will be me what team use?

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't play quick player I play. I

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Speaker 3: Whatever?

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Speaker 3: We do not know about the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: We don't got to talk about that at all.

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Speaker 1: I think you know, as you see we lost the

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Speaker 2: Commander is family for our next man up. We having

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Speaker 2: Welcoming in our Washington legend, Russ Grim Russ, how you

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Speaker 4: Thank you? Well, I'm going to find thanks in Chili

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: We were just talking about how fall got here pretty quickly.

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Speaker 2: possibly the most dominant combo we have ever seen. What

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00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,120
Speaker 2: was that relationship like between you two, because on the field,

443
00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,800
Speaker 2: that chemistry seemed like you guys played as one. What

444
00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:43,520
Speaker 2: was your guys's relationship like and what was it like

445
00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:44,560
Speaker 2: playing alongside them?

446
00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,760
Speaker 4: Well, actually, Joe was my roommate, so we shared a

447
00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,440
Speaker 4: townhouse together, so a two bedroom townhouse. He was my roommate,

448
00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,480
Speaker 4: and we actually roomed together on the road, so I

449
00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,080
Speaker 4: mean we had you know, and then we ended up

450
00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,840
Speaker 4: getting married and stuff like that. But we used calls

451
00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,040
Speaker 4: like kids' names and stuff like that, so we knew

452
00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,320
Speaker 4: exactly what the other person was thinking one and wanted

453
00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:06,680
Speaker 4: to two.

454
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Speaker 1: Why was that important?

455
00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,520
Speaker 2: Like, was that something that just kind of happened where

456
00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,199
Speaker 2: you guys end up being roommates on the road, end

457
00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,359
Speaker 2: up being roommates together, or is that something that said, Okay, listen,

458
00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,199
Speaker 2: we understand how important our chemistry is being on the

459
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Speaker 2: side together.

460
00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:21,959
Speaker 3: We need to spend as much time together as possible.

461
00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:24,720
Speaker 4: Uh. I mean you didn't have to spend a lot

462
00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,240
Speaker 4: of time together, but it just you had a good

463
00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:31,080
Speaker 4: feel for exactly when if like they were stunting or

464
00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,560
Speaker 4: if they were slanting and stuff like that, you'd make

465
00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,840
Speaker 4: a little call if you picked up a tip or something,

466
00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,800
Speaker 4: and kind of knew each other so knew when to

467
00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,920
Speaker 4: come off and things like that. And yet it was

468
00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,920
Speaker 4: always consistent. It's never like, Okay, he threw him into

469
00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,120
Speaker 4: me this time, or next time he carried him too far.

470
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Speaker 4: I mean, you just had a feel for it. And

471
00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,600
Speaker 4: I mean we played a long time together. It was

472
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Speaker 4: actually we had a good bunch. The whole bunch was good.

473
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Speaker 4: The best thing about playing offensive line was when you

474
00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,080
Speaker 4: have built that camaraderie you don't want to be the

475
00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,720
Speaker 4: guy to let anybody else done. So I mean, I'm

476
00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:09,159
Speaker 4: protecting thisman, Doug Williams, Mark Rippian, and hey, you know

477
00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,200
Speaker 4: those guys are counting on me to get the job done,

478
00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:16,320
Speaker 4: John Riggins, Timmy Smith, George Rogers, Ernest Biner. They're counting

479
00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:17,960
Speaker 4: on you to get the job done so they don't

480
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Speaker 4: get hit or take a blind shot.

481
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Speaker 2: So you mentioned you were with a good bunch. I

482
00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:23,680
Speaker 2: think we could say it was better than a good bunch.

483
00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,679
Speaker 2: I think it was a great bunch. Honestly, possibly the

484
00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,920
Speaker 2: best office of line we've ever seen. In the Bergniar Cold,

485
00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:32,240
Speaker 2: they called you guys the Hogs in that time when

486
00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,160
Speaker 2: you guys were playing. Did you guys understand and realize

487
00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,199
Speaker 2: how special it was what you guys had or was

488
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Speaker 2: it after the fact, after you guys all retire and

489
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Speaker 2: see how revered you are by the fan base that

490
00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,520
Speaker 2: you realize, Oh man, this Hogs thing was legendary.

491
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Speaker 4: We kind of knew it was getting that way. But

492
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Speaker 4: I mean there's pluses and minuses to that. Like when

493
00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,560
Speaker 4: we first got the name, you know, everybody thought it

494
00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,480
Speaker 4: was nice and cool. The fans all went out and

495
00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,840
Speaker 4: bought shirts and noses and stuff like that, and then

496
00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,560
Speaker 4: we realized that, hey, you get a name like that,

497
00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,760
Speaker 4: it ticks off a lot of the defensive lines you're

498
00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,440
Speaker 4: playing against. So I mean you had to step it

499
00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,600
Speaker 4: up a little bit so you wouldn't be embarrassed.

500
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Speaker 2: When you think of those times, because that's what I

501
00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,480
Speaker 2: think about, right, Like everybody knew what the Hogs were.

502
00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,040
Speaker 2: Everybody knew that they had to earn their money when

503
00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,080
Speaker 2: they came and played you all. Does any memories stand

504
00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,760
Speaker 2: out to you when you think about those other defensive line,

505
00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,359
Speaker 2: those other teams that just were so angry at the

506
00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:26,920
Speaker 2: fact that you guys were getting so much love.

507
00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,120
Speaker 1: Do you have any stories like.

508
00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,359
Speaker 2: That where you're like, oh, yeah, this defensive line, they

509
00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:31,640
Speaker 2: really came out here with someone to prove.

510
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,280
Speaker 4: Oh, we knew some defensive lines were going to come in,

511
00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,720
Speaker 4: like Dallas. We always had a thing issue with Dallas.

512
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,439
Speaker 4: It's you know, you wanted to beat them up as

513
00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,320
Speaker 4: much as you could, no matter what the score was.

514
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,640
Speaker 4: And you always played some guys that they had one

515
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,160
Speaker 4: or two cheap shot guys that would always take cheap

516
00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,240
Speaker 4: shots on the back and like you put like little

517
00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,600
Speaker 4: bounties on them just your own. Back then it was

518
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,240
Speaker 4: so called illegal, but we had a little slush fund

519
00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,280
Speaker 4: just between the guys, your team or anything. But it's

520
00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,880
Speaker 4: just a little fush slush run that said, we'll pick

521
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,320
Speaker 4: up the tab if so and so take so and

522
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:06,800
Speaker 4: so out.

523
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 2: And it sounds like you guys took pride in being

524
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,600
Speaker 2: that force and being so dominant, but also being scary,

525
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:18,000
Speaker 2: being intimidated to those other teams. When you saw God's

526
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,520
Speaker 2: line up and you saw them giving you your best,

527
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,280
Speaker 2: what did that do for the group of you guys?

528
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,440
Speaker 2: What did that do for your guys's confidence and belief

529
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,520
Speaker 2: in yourself knowing like, hey, we don't just believe in

530
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:27,760
Speaker 2: ourselves the rest of the least.

531
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Speaker 1: He's what we're doing too, right.

532
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,359
Speaker 4: Well, I mean every week you have to step up

533
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,560
Speaker 4: and prove it, you know. And it's the thing that

534
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 4: you know, when you play offensive line, you're not going

535
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,200
Speaker 4: to win every battle, but I mean you got to

536
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 4: win the majority of them. So hey, you just hope

537
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 4: that you know, offensive line. If everybody doesn't do their job,

538
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,640
Speaker 4: I mean, Joe and I could take our guys five

539
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 4: yards off the ball. If George Stark missed the cutoff

540
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,959
Speaker 4: on the backside, we don't make any yards. So it

541
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,520
Speaker 4: takes everybody. It's not just one person.

542
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,120
Speaker 2: And when you talk about those championship teams, everybody says

543
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 2: the same thing, no matter what position you talked to.

544
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 1: What's cool about next seven? It was we get to

545
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 1: talk to a lot of the legends.

546
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 2: And when you win three Super Bowls, it might be

547
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 2: like your babies, right, it might be hard to pick ones.

548
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 1: Which one is your favorite?

549
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:11,399
Speaker 4: Right?

550
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 2: Which kid you like a little more? Do you have

551
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 2: a favorite super Bowl out of the three?

552
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, the favorite was Miami against Miami when John ran

553
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,200
Speaker 4: for all the yards. So, and that was the first

554
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,880
Speaker 4: Super Bowl. So, I mean, I've had a lot of favorites.

555
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 4: One of my one of my actual favorites is when

556
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 4: I was coaching at Pittsburgh when I was done playing.

557
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,440
Speaker 4: I was coaching at Pittsburgh when we won the Super Bowl,

558
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,360
Speaker 4: and it was Coward's first Super Bowl, Hines Wartz first

559
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 4: Super Bowl, Jerome Bettison's first Super Bowl. I just enjoyed

560
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 4: coming out, you know, after the game and standing there

561
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 4: and watching those guys enjoyed. So, I mean, then obviously

562
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 4: the worst feeling is when we lost to the Raiders,

563
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 4: because that was probably one of the better teams I

564
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 4: played on.

565
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 2: Everybody mentions that and about how y'all just felt like

566
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 2: y'all could not lose that game, Like when losing that

567
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 2: super Bowl almost seems as if it was heavier than

568
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 2: the three that you guys were able to win. Do

569
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 2: you feel that way? And when you look back at

570
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 2: that Super Bowl? How hard is that to swallow?

571
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,400
Speaker 1: Even years later, it's still hard to swallow.

572
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 4: I mean, even though you win three and actually one

573
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 4: another one as a coach, it's still like a dull

574
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,439
Speaker 4: spot that you got. And that's the worst feeling in

575
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,640
Speaker 4: the world. Nobody remembers a loser. Everybody always remembers a winner,

576
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 4: unless you're the loser. If you're a loser, you're gonna

577
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,160
Speaker 4: remember it. I mean, I don't know how I tell

578
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,679
Speaker 4: people all the time. One of the best teams we

579
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 4: played was Buffalo and they lost four in a row.

580
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 4: And they never get the credit for being one of

581
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 4: the great teams of all time, and they had a

582
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 4: lot of great players and they lost four. I couldn't

583
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 4: I couldn't even manage that losing one. I have a

584
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 4: hard time dealing with that.

585
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,199
Speaker 2: You along four said like a true competitor, And you

586
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 2: mentioned coaching.

587
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: You make your transition into coaching.

588
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 2: Right after winning a Super Bowl, you decide to say,

589
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: you know what, this is my time to retire before

590
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 2: we talk about your transition to the coaching Was it

591
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 2: even hard making that decision to retire because a lot

592
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 2: of guys don't get to retire at the pinnacle, at

593
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,120
Speaker 2: the peak. Why was it important for you to say,

594
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 2: you know what, it's time for me to wrap it up.

595
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 4: Well, I knew that season going in. In fact, at

596
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,919
Speaker 4: the beginning of the year, I had told the coaching

597
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,360
Speaker 4: staff that this will be my last year. I mean

598
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 4: I started as a rookie, had a lot of wear

599
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 4: and tear on my body, and it was getting hard

600
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 4: to make it week to week. I mean, like when

601
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 4: I first came in the league. I asked, an older guy, says,

602
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 4: because I used to play on Sunday and just go

603
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 4: golfing on Monday, feeling good. Then it started getting being

604
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 4: a tub Monday and Tuesday, and then it started being

605
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 4: almost till Friday, and I'm like, going see and they said,

606
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 4: you'll know, they said, when it goes from week to

607
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 4: week where you're still sore. He said, it's time to

608
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 4: get out, and I didn't want to just hang on.

609
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 4: If I couldn't play the way I was used to playing,

610
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 4: then it was time.

611
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: And your body.

612
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:56,719
Speaker 2: I hear this from a lot of the legends, right

613
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 2: that your body is going to tell you before your

614
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: mind tells you. So as your body's going through this

615
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 2: and you're feeling like, okay, things are changing, how long

616
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 2: did it take for the mind to catch up, though?

617
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: Because it's one thing to be able to feel that

618
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 2: you're done, but to be able to mentally say, yo,

619
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 2: I've put my whole life to this. Like you said,

620
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: I've been starting since a rookie. I've gotten all of

621
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 2: these accolades and accomplishments. Was it harder for you to

622
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: get your mind wrapped around, hey.

623
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: This is over?

624
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 4: No? I just I knew when I was going into

625
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,199
Speaker 4: my last season, and I said, hey, I wanted to

626
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 4: make this the best we could. And I mean when

627
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 4: Super Bowl or not. I knew it was going to

628
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 4: be my last year because I mean yet, no, my

629
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 4: mind was already convinced that my body was done.

630
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 2: And I'm sure it's much easier to make that final

631
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 2: decision when you do win a Super Bowl What a

632
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: way to end your career. And then again you decide

633
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 2: to be a coach. What goes is that decision making?

634
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: And when did you know, Okay, after football, I'm going

635
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 2: to stick with this game and try to help the

636
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 2: future of this league get better and improve.

637
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 4: I didn't actually know I wanted to be a coach.

638
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 4: I retired, and about three or four weeks later, Joe

639
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 4: Gibbs called me and asked me how things are going,

640
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 4: and asked me if I got a job yet, and

641
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 4: I said no, I said I'm not really looking for one.

642
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 4: He said, would you like to come back and coach

643
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 4: at tight ends? And I said, well, what about Rennie

644
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 4: Simmons who was coaching Oh, we moved him over to

645
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 4: wide receivers. We moved another coach over. We would like

646
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 4: you to coach at tight ends. Well, back then, the

647
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 4: one back offense was basically I mean, that guy's a

648
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 4: glorified guard. So I hit Donnie Warren, James Jenkins, Ron Middleton,

649
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 4: and I mean they It was a plus for me

650
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 4: for coaching, because now I started to read secondaries and

651
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 4: stuff like that. So I went back and was coaching

652
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 4: guys that I had just finished playing.

653
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 2: With and you mentioned being able to be a coach

654
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 2: and be on the sideline during a Super Bowl. Yes,

655
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 2: you got to play in them, but it seems as

656
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 2: if coaching gave you a different type of feeling, like

657
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 2: it was a little more special. Is that true When

658
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: you're on the sideline as a coach and not as

659
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: a player, did that affect you a little more because

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Speaker 2: you are helping mold young men in the future of

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Speaker 2: the game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I enjoyed it. I mean that that was the

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Speaker 4: best feeling in the world because I mean, now, like

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Speaker 4: when I was playing, I was responsible for myself, so

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Speaker 4: I knew if I was prepared, if I knew what

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Speaker 4: to do, stuff like that. When you're coaching, especially offensive line,

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Speaker 4: you're in charge for most of the guys on the offense,

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Speaker 4: five six seven guys, your backup stuff like that, so

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Speaker 4: you got to make sure everybody's ready, everybody can switch around,

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Speaker 4: everybody can play a different position. And yeah, it's a

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Speaker 4: little bit stressful. I mean you got to keep your

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Speaker 4: mind on yourself, and then you always get those one

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Speaker 4: or two guys that don't want to put it in

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Speaker 4: the time and you got to sit down and tell them, look, hey,

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Speaker 4: you either start putting in the time, or you're going

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Speaker 4: to be your ne's gonna be saying paper plastic at

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Speaker 4: the grocery.

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Speaker 2: Line, said like a true coach and as somebody that's

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Speaker 2: seen the game from different levels, right as a player

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Speaker 2: played his whole life, and then also as a coach

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Speaker 2: and found success there. When we look at our team today,

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Speaker 2: the Commanders, now we have some people in the building

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Speaker 2: to call them the wild Bores, right because the dominance,

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Speaker 2: the brotherhood, the camaraderie of our offensive line currently feels

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Speaker 2: a lot like what we saw back in the good

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Speaker 2: old days with the Hawgs.

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Speaker 1: When you see this new ownership and this.

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Speaker 2: Coaching staff make an investment into the offensive line, get

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Speaker 2: a guy like Larry mi Tunsel, drafted guy like Josh

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Speaker 2: Connley Junior in the first round. That got to make

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Speaker 2: you smile a little bit as an offensive line guy.

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Speaker 2: How important is it to be able to invest in

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Speaker 2: your offensive line when you have a quarterback like Jayden James.

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Speaker 4: It does. I mean, that's what I think they've been

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Speaker 4: missing for a while is you got to build it

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Speaker 4: up front. And they started building a defensive line a

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Speaker 4: couple of years ago, and now they probably put some

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Speaker 4: thought and interest in the offensive line, because I mean,

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Speaker 4: you can have great quarterbacks and wide receivers and stuff

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Speaker 4: like that, but they ain't going to run anywhere, and

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Speaker 4: let's save got time and they got holes to go through.

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Speaker 3: It.

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Speaker 2: Wins in the trenches. Games are won in the trenches.

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Speaker 2: Or like Fresmoo says, the guys that smell like bacon.

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Speaker 2: You talk about the quarterback Jayden Daniels, You got to

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Speaker 2: play with some great ones in your time. When you

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Speaker 2: look at what Jayden Daniels has been able to do

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Speaker 2: with just a year, what he's been able to do

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Speaker 2: for this fan base, for this organization, how do you

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Speaker 2: feel about the year two quarterback.

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Speaker 4: I think he's a big I think he's going to

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Speaker 4: be a great one. I really do. I think he's sharp.

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Speaker 4: I like his attitude. He says the right thing. He's

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Speaker 4: got good work habits, and I mean he just has

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Speaker 4: to stay healthy, which I think he will because they

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Speaker 4: put some money in the offensive line now and you're

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Speaker 4: gonna get some little knicks and stuff like that. But

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Speaker 4: you know, Marcus could back it up. I had Marcus

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Speaker 4: when I was coaching in Tennessee, so I mean, I

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Speaker 4: know what he's capable of and he's a reliable backup.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, James an a plus quarterback in the league.

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Speaker 3: And Russell is so great to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: And I love the fact that our Washington legends, even

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Speaker 2: though you guys may have played for other teams, been

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Speaker 2: in other places. For some reason, it seems like this

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Speaker 2: Burgundy and Gold is truly home now. Of course, when

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Speaker 2: you win Super Bowls, that's gonna make any place like home.

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Speaker 2: But for you, why has Washington been a place where

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Speaker 2: the name Russ Grimm is synonymous with that Burgundy and gold?

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Speaker 2: Why do you think that is? And why do you

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Speaker 2: have so much love for not only this team but

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Speaker 2: this fan base.

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Speaker 4: Well, the big thing back then was we didn't have

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Speaker 4: any free agency. So, I mean when your contract came up,

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Speaker 4: you know, one year I was the highest paid, Next year,

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Speaker 4: Jakobe was the highest paid. Next year, Bostick may have

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Speaker 4: been the highest paid. And it kind of rolled that way.

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Speaker 4: I mean they just kept it at that. And you know,

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Speaker 4: we thought it was a lot of money back then.

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Speaker 4: But now you've got some man, these college kids making

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Speaker 4: more money than that.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you, it's still a lot of money

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Speaker 2: to some of us. Russ, we appreciate your time so

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Speaker 2: much before we.

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Speaker 1: Let you go.

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Speaker 2: When you look back at everything you were able to

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Speaker 2: accomplish on that field, not as as a player, but

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Speaker 2: as a coach as well, and the things you're doing now,

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Speaker 2: what do you want Russ grimm legacy to be?

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Speaker 1: What do you want Russ Grim to be remembered for?

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Speaker 2: When we're talking to our grandkids, their kids about the Hogs,

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Speaker 2: about Russ Grim and what he's able to accomplish on

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Speaker 2: that field.

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Speaker 4: Uh, I would just say, when it came down to it,

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Speaker 4: crunch time, run the ball behind sixty eight and sixty six,

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Speaker 4: so we'll get it done.

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Speaker 2: And you guys did get it done. Command Family, one

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Speaker 2: of the best to ever do it. Taking his time

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Speaker 2: to pull up on the Next Man Up Podcast, our guy,

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Speaker 2: Russ Grim Rush, thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for everything you've done for the

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Speaker 2: Burgundy and gold Man. We appreciate you so much.

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Speaker 4: And good luck a season. I'll get down a few games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sir, you let us know when you get down

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Speaker 2: and we'll make sure we have you around and have

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Speaker 2: you pull up on the show.

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Speaker 1: Russ. We appreciate you, all right, Take care bron Commanded family.

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