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Speaker 1: LaMelo Ball and the Hornets use a strong fourth quarter

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Speaker 1: That was my tweet. I was so damn wrong about

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Speaker 4: Only a true genius could have picked him for Rookie

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Speaker 4: The guy's shooting fifteen foot floaters like he was doing

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Speaker 4: But when LaMelo's out there, he's just kind of stunting

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Speaker 1: Yonas Valentnis had twenty rebounds.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, give me the bas somewhere between a sloppy

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Speaker 1: little bit like Pop has definitely done before. Well, I would.

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Speaker 2: Agree with that if he sort of went crazy on

429
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Speaker 2: the sidelines, But it was after that non call on

430
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Speaker 2: Valentounis on a little baseline move where he kind of

431
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 2: fell into Fred van Vliet that then afterwards Nick Nick

432
00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,280
Speaker 2: Nurse kind of was trying to yell at the rest

433
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Speaker 2: but as far as I could see, he still had

434
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Speaker 2: his mask on and he had to do a little

435
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Speaker 2: bit of a dance just to get their attention. Then,

436
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Speaker 2: and then when he got escorted out, he wasn't still

437
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,359
Speaker 2: turning back and screaming and yelling. He just kind of,

438
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Speaker 2: you know, was escorted out by the raptor of security

439
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,560
Speaker 2: like he was going for a stroll. So it wasn't

440
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,439
Speaker 2: a big emotional ejection like that. I think it was

441
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Speaker 2: just more one maybe that the players decided, okay, yeah,

442
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 2: all right, let's use that as our motivation, because they

443
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,480
Speaker 2: certainly played much better after that because they're also without

444
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Speaker 2: Kyle Lowry for the second half there, so they had

445
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Speaker 2: to pick it up. But yeah, great performances from guys

446
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,360
Speaker 2: like Sakam was also taken bullets from the Grizzlies broadcast there.

447
00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 2: Anytime he hit a three Breven Night was just discuss

448
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,879
Speaker 2: that he was like twenty three percent on the scene

449
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 2: and then he and then he did he did brick

450
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Speaker 2: one and he's like, that's more like this, and we know,

451
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Speaker 2: and then rebound.

452
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was killing them.

453
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Speaker 2: Got the rebound or the ball again, he went up

454
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Speaker 2: and he scored a layup and got fout on it

455
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Speaker 2: the old fashioned way. So it was a little bit

456
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 2: of calmer there back to Breven Night. But yeah, I

457
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 2: mean the Raptors just, you know, with came out there

458
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 2: playing better like this is just quietly finding his form again,

459
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Speaker 2: and I think that's important. I still believe the Raptors

460
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Speaker 2: are a better the team than their record shows right now,

461
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 2: and you know, wins like last night kind of show it.

462
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Speaker 2: I mean, they were down and they came back and

463
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Speaker 2: got a pretty convincing victory in the end.

464
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, if it's the Hornets broadcast duel with Del

465
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Speaker 1: Curry questioning Sam's three point shooting right, fair enough, Brevin Nate,

466
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Speaker 1: I just looked it up. He shot thirteen percent.

467
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Speaker 6: In his career.

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Speaker 1: Just shut up, Brevin? Did you need to question three

469
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Speaker 1: point shooting? Team? I can't, but I thought this was

470
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Speaker 1: a taper when I worked out. He shot thirteen percent

471
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Speaker 1: in a very long career, like he didn't teach a ton.

472
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Speaker 4: But that's crazy, a right, Nuestley, I'm filing that stat

473
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Speaker 4: away for later when we're talking about if the older

474
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Speaker 4: players from an NBA pass could play in today's NBA.

475
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Speaker 4: Thirteen tray, I guess Breveren Knight probably played ten years

476
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Speaker 4: in the league or something, right, Yeah, he probably had

477
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Speaker 4: a side of apple sauce at some point. He was

478
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Speaker 4: an assistant man, no doubt about it. But thirteen percent traight.

479
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Speaker 1: Brevian Knight played over seven hundred NBA games. He shot

480
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Speaker 1: sixteen for one hundred and nineteen from distance in that career.

481
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Speaker 1: Thirteen more strike person, man, that is amazing. Wow, that's

482
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Speaker 1: incredibly amazing, So I can't believe he has the nerve

483
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Speaker 1: to question Siakam shooting. How dare you? Yeah, I would

484
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Speaker 1: say one more thing from this game because I was

485
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Speaker 1: watching this one. Of course, John Morant had a tough

486
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Speaker 1: go of it. Five to seventeen. Memphis shot brutal like overall,

487
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Speaker 1: despite having a seventy in the first half. Teams are

488
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Speaker 1: especially the Raptors, like really are good at this of course, right,

489
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Speaker 1: like take away the star player and try and make

490
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Speaker 1: everybody else beat you. But I've seen this, like of

491
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Speaker 1: the last couple of Grizzlies games, like that is the focus.

492
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Speaker 1: Like it's like lock in on Jot and make everyone

493
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Speaker 1: else beat them, and it's it's it's just gonna be

494
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Speaker 1: interesting to see how Moran handles that, how the rest

495
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Speaker 1: of his team handles that, because that is the game plan.

496
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you can slow him down through a

497
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Speaker 1: lot of bodies at him as much as you possibly can,

498
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 1: at least he still had a decent line when you

499
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Speaker 1: look at at the end. But that was they were

500
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Speaker 1: making life difficult for him, and that you know, a

501
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Speaker 1: lot of credit to like Van Vliet and all the

502
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Speaker 1: Wings guys on the Raptors that you can throw at

503
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Speaker 1: him despite having no o g just something to watch.

504
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Speaker 1: I think with the gris you you Giffard. When I

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Speaker 1: said that Lee you saw something similar, I think, well.

506
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Speaker 2: Yes I did, but I also saw some more just

507
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 2: incredible highlights there from Ran. He had that crazy sort

508
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Speaker 2: of lay up with his left hand. He had that

509
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Speaker 2: three point where he was trying to get the foul

510
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Speaker 2: and he just threw the ball at the rim and

511
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Speaker 2: I went in.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you mean like the Kyle Lowry top shot exactly.

513
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Speaker 2: That was exactly like that Kyle Lowry shot. But I

514
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Speaker 2: think that was in the playoffs when Lowry hit his

515
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Speaker 2: if I remember.

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Speaker 1: No, Well he did one in the regular season.

517
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Speaker 2: Two Yeah, okay, and then he had another alley where

518
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Speaker 2: he seemed to be a little bit too far away

519
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Speaker 2: from the rim, but his body's to contort still and

520
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 2: just grab it and throw it down. So yeah, he's

521
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 2: incredibly fun to watch. But I think if you are

522
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Speaker 2: opposing teams, you just try to say, all right, let's

523
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Speaker 2: just make sure that it's not Moran who.

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Speaker 1: Who can get hot.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's not the sort of guy who goes

526
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Speaker 2: out there and you know, scores forty or fifty yet.

527
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Speaker 2: I mean, he may become that player, but he's just

528
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Speaker 2: so effective I think with his creativity as well with

529
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Speaker 2: the ball. He's a great pass he's got great court vision.

530
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Speaker 2: But yeah, younger player still has to figure out a

531
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Speaker 2: little bit of that, and then you've got to trust

532
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Speaker 2: your teammates. Not too bad some of those guys shooting

533
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Speaker 2: the three, especially at Dylan Brooks and you got him

534
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Speaker 2: out there. But yeah, I think that the Grizzlies are

535
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Speaker 2: just getting a little bit more attention from other teams

536
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Speaker 2: because they playing tournament last year and they had that

537
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Speaker 2: six game winning streak course at seven and maybe earlier

538
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Speaker 2: this season, and teams are a little bit more cautious

539
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Speaker 2: when they play them.

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Speaker 1: Next game beal scores thirty five is the Wizards hold

541
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Speaker 1: off the balls one oh five, one oh one for

542
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Speaker 1: the rare win. TK are obviously going to start with

543
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Speaker 1: you here. Big takeaway from this one. Your balls lose

544
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Speaker 1: into the whiz Well, I regret to inform you that

545
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Speaker 1: the balls were back, oh boy, in a bad way.

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Speaker 4: It was a bad It was a bad Monday for

547
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Speaker 4: the Bulls fans. Early in the day we found out

548
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Speaker 4: Lowry Markinen is going to be missing two to four

549
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 4: weeks with a shoulder sprain. That comes on top of

550
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 4: Wendal Carter Junior already out for at least four weeks.

551
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 4: Both of these guys have missed significant time in every

552
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Speaker 4: season of their career so far. They seem to be

553
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Speaker 4: building blocks for the Bulls, but they can't play more

554
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 4: than half a season, so it's really tough to figure

555
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Speaker 4: out exactly how they've ben a fit alongside Zach Lavine

556
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Speaker 4: and Kobe White and Pat Williams, which is a bumber.

557
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 4: Otto Porter was out again. He missed all of last season.

558
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Speaker 4: Felt very similar. And then the Bulls went out and

559
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 4: had their worst loss of the season because they had

560
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Speaker 4: trouble scoring against the Wizards. The Wizards could not make

561
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Speaker 4: a shot. Alex lenn and Robin Lopez were running wild

562
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Speaker 4: in the paint for the Bulls or for the Wizards.

563
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 4: They're no Bulls bigs, so the Whiz outscored Chicago fifty

564
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Speaker 4: four to forty in the paint in the fourth quarter.

565
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Speaker 4: Zach Lavine verre eleven. Not great zero ball movement amongst

566
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Speaker 4: the Bulls. I do love that he went to the

567
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Speaker 4: hole on that final play, but he's got to go

568
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 4: a little bit stronger, tried to make the shot, tried

569
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Speaker 4: to get around Alex lenn avoided the contact, he missed it.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was a good note call. You're Zach Levine, man,

571
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Speaker 4: it's a little bit of a joke. But try and

572
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Speaker 4: dunk on Alex Lenn in that situation. Go strong there,

573
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Speaker 4: you know, Levine, I've criticized them in the past for

574
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Speaker 4: wanting to take the step back jumper, which happens a lot.

575
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Speaker 4: We saw him miss quite a few of them. A

576
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Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago, when the Bulls were losing four straight,

577
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Speaker 4: he had a shot at a bunch.

578
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Speaker 1: Of these games. Finally went to the hole. I loved it.

579
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Speaker 1: But good noe call. You gotta go a little bit stronger.

580
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Speaker 4: But I guess that's the difference when you're used to

581
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Speaker 4: taking the jumpers versus driving in blah blah blah. Nonetheless,

582
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Speaker 4: it's an ugly loss. The good thing is they beat

583
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Speaker 4: Washington twice already.

584
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Speaker 1: This season.

585
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Speaker 4: Could be worse, but the Bulls have gone two and

586
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Speaker 4: three against the Knicks twice, the Magic twice, and the

587
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Speaker 4: Wizards yits. Those are the games you gotta win. Those

588
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 4: are the ones you gotta stack up. The W's because

589
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Speaker 4: after this two and three straight, the Balls are now

590
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 4: fifth best lottery odds. They're the fifth worst team in

591
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 4: the league. But you know, I'm keeping it positive this

592
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 4: year's skeets. Okay, there are only three and a half

593
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 4: gains out of fourth place in the Eastern Conference. Now,

594
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 4: foam court advantage is still a possibility for the Chicago Balls.

595
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,959
Speaker 4: But it was a bummer day for a Balls fan yesterday.

596
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: But could be better.

597
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 4: Maybe Lonzo Ball is coming to Chicago that sometime soon.

598
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 4: That seems to be picking up a lot of steam.

599
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: But uh, not great. Not great to lose to the Wizards.

600
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 1: Is it an insult to injury?

601
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 4: Here?

602
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Speaker 1: Are you the one with the leaf flower? Or is

603
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: that Leally? That's not my leading?

604
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, Mine, that's fine again. I'm on the

605
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 2: I'm on the second floor here, so these leaf blowers

606
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 2: are right below my window. Great timing, guys.

607
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Speaker 1: Excellent, excellent. Yeah, Levine said he thought quote, I thought

608
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Speaker 1: I drove and created contact at the end. There the

609
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: ref saw it differently. Everybody says, put the pressure on

610
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: the rim at the end of the game, don't settle.

611
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: I thought I did that. I thought I created contact.

612
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Speaker 1: I guess I've got to make the layup.

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Speaker 5: Lee.

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Speaker 1: You're always saying this, come go to them, go to

615
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Speaker 1: the rim, you know, but when you go to the

616
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Speaker 1: rim at times like this can be what what happens

617
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: as well. You can see why sometimes you want to

618
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Speaker 1: maybe settle for the step back jumper, because at least

619
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Speaker 1: you're the one deciding it, you know what I mean,

620
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,239
Speaker 1: whereas you drive in there, you know, and Trey's rate,

621
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Speaker 1: I think he could have gone a lot harder with it.

622
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Speaker 1: You know, you're putting the you're putting it to chance

623
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Speaker 1: a little bit at times with the whistle. Yeah, and

624
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: he didn't get it there.

625
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I would live with that shot though, because

626
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: it's like he did make the right move. He went inside,

627
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: he saw the big guy coming and he tried to

628
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 2: I think he probably just tried to finesse it and

629
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Speaker 2: get a little bit of contact because there was clearly

630
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: no contact on his arm, maybe on his lower body

631
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Speaker 2: leg because I tried to look at it a bit

632
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: bit this morning, but even Stacy King on the broadcast

633
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: kind of said, no, I didn't. I didn't see any

634
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 2: contact there, and Zach was kind of, you know, appealing

635
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: to the referee. But I think it was more just like, nah,

636
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 2: you just you just left it. But I would rather

637
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: have that shot than certainly like a fallaway deep two

638
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: point or anything like that. I just think that's the

639
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: right move to make because you are giving yourself a chance.

640
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: In this case, it just didn't pay. Often again, I

641
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: think I think Zach he he just sort of saw

642
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: the big man coming and thought I can just lay

643
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: it up around him, and he missed it. But yeah,

644
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: they're going to miss marketing and I think badly. I

645
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: think just from the offensive end. You know, Zach hadn't

646
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: have a good game last night, but I need someone

647
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: else who can at least shoot the ball and you know,

648
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: spread the floor out a little bit, and Marktnan had

649
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: been doing that this season, so that's that's a blow

650
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: for him to do.

651
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is groundhog Day with Mark and I

652
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: feel like they're always when they're injured too. They're always

653
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: injured at the same time. I have to fact check that,

654
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: but it feels like they're they always overlap, Tray, I'm

655
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: crazy to think that.

656
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 4: No, you're not crazy to think that they overlap a lot.

657
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 4: Or one guy will start playing really well, the other

658
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 4: one will come back and then the first guy goes out. Yeah,

659
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 4: it's been exactly the same every season. I don't think

660
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 4: Wendell Carter's played more than fifty games yet in his

661
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 4: career marketing, and I think has done that maybe once

662
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 4: he's played more than sixty. It's like, how do you

663
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 4: even get a chance to evaluate these guys when they're

664
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Speaker 4: playing out there with Zach Lavine and Kobe White, who

665
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 4: are neither natural who are setting these guys up, So

666
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 4: it's tough to evaluate them in the first place, which

667
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 4: is why I kind of think they're eyeballing Lonzo Ball,

668
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 4: somebody who can kind of hook people up for easier

669
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 4: baskets a little bit more of a distributor rather than

670
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 4: Zach and Kobe the sweet life. But you never get

671
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 4: those guys on the court at the same time, and

672
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 4: it's really tough to build a team without your interior

673
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 4: because none of the Bulls guards really get inside. Like

674
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 4: Levine went to the hole hard there at the end,

675
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 4: but he's a jump shooter. Kobe White prefers to shoot jumpers,

676
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 4: Fatteus Young, he'll shoot a nice little flip shot at

677
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 4: the rim. But without those two, you should not be

678
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 4: getting dominated inside by Alex lenn and Robin Lopez. These

679
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 4: are two backup centers. The Rafters didn't even want Alex Lynn.

680
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 4: He said, get out of here, buddy. And the guy

681
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 4: was the biggest play just because he's seven feet tall,

682
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 4: Like just get another seven foot or Daniel Gafford really

683
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 4: struggled last night, foul trouble all night. He made the

684
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 4: longest shot of his career. Where were you when Daniel

685
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 4: Gafford made a nineteen footer? I'll never forget. But he

686
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 4: kept getting in foul trouble. They needed him just for

687
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 4: his energy and hide out there. It was a bad

688
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 4: one for the Bulls. Tuck it in, get the next one, all.

689
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: Right, final game here Murray and DeRozan guide the Spurs

690
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: past the Warriors one oh five to one hundred. We

691
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: got to start right at the end of the game though,

692
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: with this one Warriors down three, ball on the side,

693
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: about nine seconds to go. You got the greatest shooter

694
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: in the history of basketball. You can go ahead and

695
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: roll this if you want, JD. And the ball is

696
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: gonna get inbounded to Draymond Green because they did a

697
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: great job. The Spurs did of like you know, really

698
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: you know, fronting Curry there, So there it goes to

699
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: Draymond again. There's lots of time. What's he doing? What

700
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: are you doing? He shoots the half Courton shot at

701
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: the end of regulation because he thought he was gonna

702
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: get fouled there by Derek White, but not a great decision.

703
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: And I mean, it's it's so eerily reminiscent of the

704
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: Fresh Prince of bel Air episode where Carlton sort of

705
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: steals the ball from Will Smith who had been on fire,

706
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: hadn't missed all game, and he lets it go. You

707
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be the hero. Yeah, you got it, Carlton,

708
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: that's gonna drop. Everybody's gonna love you. And he misses

709
00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: by about ten feet. Very very similar. We've got a

710
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: bootleg version of that there with the subtitles. But was

711
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: just he just I think he just he's a smart player.

712
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: We know that he's one of the smartest players in

713
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Speaker 1: the league. Is this was him just this him just

714
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: out thinking himself here Lely Draymond again, like Waite, sort

715
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: of goes to reach for a second then pulls back

716
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: right away, and Draymond's thinking, well, they're gonna foul me.

717
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm a brutal free throw shooter, So why wouldn't they

718
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: They're up three and maybe I'll get the three free

719
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: throw attempts to tie this, and instead there's no foul

720
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: of course, and he just bricks the bomb. And you

721
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: have Steph Curry and your team. What do you think?

722
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Draymond actually finished with seven points ten rebounds

723
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: in Tennessee, so he was actually just trying.

724
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: To stat stuff for the.

725
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: But the problem is, like you say, actually, Draymond has

726
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: got a very high basketball Like you, he always understands

727
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 2: sort of the game situation. I guess he just sort

728
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: of felt that White was there and he's going to

729
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: throw it up. But he had so much time that

730
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: even still I'm surprised that he just still let go

731
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 2: of the ball that with Steph out there. STEP's been

732
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: on fire lately. He was again on fire last night,

733
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: had another six threes, and it's like you had enough

734
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: time to sort of pull out and just I mean,

735
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: clearly the play was to go to staff. Yeah, so

736
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: he just had a brain fought in that one time.

737
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: But you have to just allow him that because he's

738
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 2: made some incredible plays for that team and made some incredible,

739
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 2: you know, basketball plays, throughout his career. He just got

740
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: it wrong on that one, and he was embarrassed to bad.

741
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: He was off to bed off the game, and what

742
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: did your team might say to you?

743
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: Just said, I am yeah again. I think he just

744
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: was like he was like doing like a Chris paul

745
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: A Lowry, like, uh, well, they're gonna follow me here,

746
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: so I'll make it three shots because they're like, why

747
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't they fail me? I was just at the line.

748
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: I just did poorly miss too. Yeah exactly, so they're

749
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: gonna fill me again, and hey, at least I will

750
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: get to redeem myself and make it three shots, maybe

751
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: tie this game. But smart move by White too. Uh

752
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: he literally puts his head and then just pulls it

753
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: right back and that was enough to get Draymond Tree.

754
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 4: I thought it was a super overthink by Draymond. Even

755
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 4: the Warriors broadcast was like, Greg Popovich, never fouls up.

756
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 4: Never think back to the what twenty thirteen Finals? They

757
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 4: were up, the Ray Allen shot, got a fouled, then

758
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 4: they didn't. The Heat got two three pointers off made

759
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 4: one of them. The rest is history. If Bob Fitzgerald

760
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 4: knows that the Spurs aren't gonna file. Draymond Green should

761
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 4: know that the Spurs are gonna file. He called it

762
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 4: the smartest dumb play of all time. That was indeed

763
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 4: a dumb play.

764
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Speaker 1: It was rough and look Spurs nice win. De Jontay

765
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: Murray twenty seven points, ten boards, eight steals. That's a

766
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 1: season high for anyone this year in the league. Eight steals,

767
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: that's a lot. I almost regretted not giving him Whoe

768
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: boy because that's a good damn line and eight steals

769
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: you just don't see that often. But Lebron just did

770
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: Lebron things anyway. He also hit a huge shot Lee

771
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: Murray step back corner about twelve seconds ago, gave the

772
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: Spurs a four point Lee. He sort of iced the

773
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: game in the end. I absolutely love the Spurs lineup too,

774
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: and it's because of injury that they ran with it.

775
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: But Murray, Derek White, DeRozan, Keldon Johnson and then teenage

776
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: mutant Ninja Pearle Pearl, we talked about Lamello. I'm gonna

777
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 1: throw this out there, like Lamello coming into the starting

778
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: lineup because of injury and then like I don't know

779
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: if you can take him out. Pearl might make a

780
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: case for himself here if he continues to play he does.

781
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: You know, he's good man. I loved him as a raptor.

782
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: He's obviously still young, double double. He's just like perfect

783
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: for the rest of the team. He's just like a great,

784
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: solid guy. Fourteen and eleven couple on the offensive end,

785
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: seven to nine from the floor, and then he had

786
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: four blocks. And I point that out because if you

787
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: can get a little rim protection from him, then it

788
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: allows Murray to go wild on the perimeter and Vassal

789
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: and White and they can play super aggressive because you

790
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: know you got a guy that can maybe clean up

791
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: some mistakes behind you. But I like that lineup and

792
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: I like Pearl maybe in there. And I'm an old

793
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: Ridge fan, don't get me wrong, but I wonder if

794
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: the Spurs really do look to move him, because I

795
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: don't think they would miss him that much. I'm just

796
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: gonna say that. I'm just gonna say that. And I

797
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: think you get something for him too, something juicy to

798
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: either assets to build for the future, even maybe another

799
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: young player. But what do you think, Lely, Am I

800
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: going crazy there with the moving off of Aldridge because

801
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: I'm in love with the Pearl.

802
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 2: I think this was move on from DeRozan and Aldridge

803
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 2: really because I think they've got a pretty good young

804
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 2: pieces there in the core. De Jhontey Murray defensively is fantastic.

805
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 2: He's so active, you know, so those eight steals, it's

806
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 2: it's not a huge surprise if you watched him play,

807
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: because he's got those huge long arms as well, really

808
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: gangly arms. He gets in the way. But that three

809
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: point shot at the end, he said, you know, I

810
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: work on that with Chip England and so that like

811
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: it's not a shock for him to hit that shot

812
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: and to give the Spurs the lead at the end

813
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 2: basically sealed the game. But funny, you know, we were

814
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: talking about Eric Collins and Dell Curry earlier in the

815
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: night with LaMelo Ball Bill Land, the Spurs play by

816
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: play commentator. He's the opposite with Steph Curry gets threes.

817
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: He was just devastated last night. There was a couple

818
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: of threes where it's just like, oh, and it goes

819
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: to Curry and he hits it. There was that one

820
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: where at the end of the first quarter where he

821
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 2: was dancing around Rudy Gage. Just gorgeous play from Stephan

822
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: Curry and it goes in, so oh man, someone give

823
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 2: Bill and a hug.

824
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: Man. It's all right, it's just a three point at

825
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 1: the end of the quarter. It's not the game, right

826
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: the man.

827
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 2: And then there was another play where I think it

828
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 2: was late in the fourth quarter as well. The ball,

829
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: you know, in a bit of a broken play, ends

830
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 2: up the Curry. He gets it and he knocks it.

831
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: Well, at least he's the opposition on the call.

832
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: But it's just it's just it's just so so sad

833
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 2: listening to.

834
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's Steph Curry.

835
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: That's not you know, that's not like a guy who's

836
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 2: a thirteen percent shoot a hitting.

837
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Speaker 8: I don't know what Bill lands three, but I'm assuming

838
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 8: that very Yeah, anything to add to this one Tray

839
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 8: went over the Warriors. Now you got your Warriors shirt on.

840
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 8: I didn't know if that was a tough loss for you.

841
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 8: There your Warriors, no dunks. I just couldn't wear the

842
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 8: balls one today. I couldn't couldn't do it.

843
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it fair enough, fair enough, man, all right,

844
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Speaker 1: we're gonna get to the updown report. Got a few

845
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: fun ones, but first quick word from our sponsors. Okay,

846
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Speaker 1: let's get to the up down report. First one, Sorry, Judy,

847
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Speaker 1: I paused there because I didn't know there was a sting.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't remember if there.

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Speaker 6: Was there is. I just there's so many things in

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Speaker 6: this thing.

851
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 1: Now, what do you mean there's so many things.

852
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Speaker 6: There's so many things in that there's so many videos.

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Speaker 6: I just can't find others.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, let's get to the report. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah,

855
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Speaker 1: there it is. Yeah. Oh, I'd love to hear this

856
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: dub step in my racons walking around. Hey, this is

857
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: Lee Elis. He's my top five dubstep songs. Listen. Yeah,

858
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: all right, First one, guys, According to bleacher Report, the

859
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: Toronto Raptors could Tradekyle Lowry around the deadline. Yeah we're

860
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: talking about the groat the greatest Raptor of all time,

861
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: Jake Fisher. He wrote on Monday on bleacher Report. Quote,

862
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 1: there is a portion of Raptors personnel, Leak sources said

863
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: that believes the franchise should bid its beloved all star

864
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: farewell and begin Toronto's next chapter in earnest and quote

865
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: so leally get us started up or down on the

866
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: idea that Massai user in the Raptors would look to

867
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 1: move Lowry this season.

868
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess, I guess I'm up on that

869
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: they will look to move it. But when I read

870
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 2: this article, there wasn't actually much more than just like, hey,

871
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 2: maybe the Raptors will trade him. It's like, yeah, I mean,

872
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 2: maybe maybe they will.

873
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: I mean there is a portion of Raptors personnel.

874
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what, that doesn't I don't really

875
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: buy that because you know why the Raptors there are

876
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 2: no leaks that come.

877
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: That's right, They're like a john boat to trade, just piety.

878
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Messi and Bobby Webster, they keep things so

879
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 2: tight there. So you know, saying maybe they will trade him,

880
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: of course, maybe they will trade him, but I don't

881
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 2: think you're going to see I know, because Messiah and

882
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: Kyle have had at some time what tenuous relationship, But

883
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to see MESSI trade him

884
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: just for the sake of trading, because he can to

885
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: go to a team that's not going to be anywhere

886
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 2: near contention or a playoff team at least. So I

887
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 2: think if he does do it, it would have to

888
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: make sense for the Raptors. It wouldn't just be a

889
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 2: sort of spike trade or anything like that.

890
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I just think I think. I mean, like,

891
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: when I read it, the hell are you talking about?

892
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: What I was trying to say is I was. I

893
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 2: was hoping to see some sort of like, well, this

894
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: team has expressed interest and you know, but there was

895
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 2: none of that. It was just like I spoke to

896
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: a coach he said, yeah they should, Yeah they should,

897
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 2: Maybe they will.

898
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know.

899
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think the Raptors are

900
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: as bad as as their position is right now, and

901
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: I think again, come playoff time, as the season progresses,

902
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 2: they're going to be one of those teams. I don't

903
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: think they're a championship contender, but I certainly think they're

904
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 2: one of the tougher teams you don't want to meet

905
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 2: in the playoffs.

906
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: Okay, but couldn't you say that Lowry on the right

907
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: team makes that team into a championship contender or even

908
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: more so than they already are, Sexers, Clippers, many other teams. Lowry,

909
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: we know what he can do at the point O position,

910
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: and he's obviously done it in the playoffs. Like he

911
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: takes a team to the next level, does he not?

912
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 2: He does, but again, he's got a big contract, and

913
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: the Clippers have certainly got no assets in terms of

914
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 2: trade capital there to trade, you know, so I'm not

915
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: sure what the Raptors get in return. Just some dead

916
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: money contracts. I don't think that's the point. And if

917
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: you're the Sixers, I mean, you're obviously not going to

918
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: give up Ben Simmons for him. So outside of that, again,

919
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: there's nothing sort of to me. Maybe a first round

920
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 2: pick if the six has become desperate and they think

921
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: he can put them over the line. I guess that's

922
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 2: in play, but it just doesn't seem that's gonna happen

923
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: right now. Maybe things will change as the season goes on,

924
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: but I don't I don't feel like there's anything imminent

925
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: here with Messiahjerry and the Raptors. I think they'd rather

926
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: just keep the team together and go with what they've

927
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: got for this season.

928
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: Myself. What do you think, Trey?

929
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 4: I'm basically with Leon this one. I don't necessarily think

930
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 4: that the Raps are gonna trade Kyle Lowry because to me,

931
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 4: they're actually climbing up the standings. I think that they're

932
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 4: gonna be a for sure top Sex playoff team. There's

933
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 4: an outside chance that they could be hosting play off

934
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 4: games down there in Tampa.

935
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: I think they could even get up to number four.

936
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 4: But you know, if this isn't the greatest Raptor of

937
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 4: all time, if this isn't Skeets calling out this random

938
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 4: member of the front office wanting to fight him, this

939
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 4: makes a lot of sense.

940
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: Right.

941
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 4: You're talking about a guy who's late in his career,

942
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 4: who's still obviously a pretty solid player. He's on a

943
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 4: big contract, thirty million. But if you're a sick oh,

944
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 4: you can get into the trade machine and figure out

945
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 4: some ways to make things happen. I was doing a

946
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 4: stupid four team trade last night with Kyle Lowry go

947
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 4: into the Sixers, Nick Vucevich coming to the Raptors. I

948
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 4: got so deep into it, and then I was like, whatever,

949
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 4: I gotta go make a big beef mixtape here. This

950
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 4: doesn't make any sense to me. I gotta figure out

951
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 4: Tyrese MAXI. I couldn't do it all, man. I'm not

952
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 4: a Picasso out there.

953
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: I'm a Matisse.

954
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 4: But anyways, it does make sense that some team would

955
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 4: be interested in Kyle Lowry. He's certainly the kind of

956
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 4: piece that can help take you to the next level.

957
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 4: There are places where he would fit, But I kind

958
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 4: of think that Lowry leaving the Raptors is going to

959
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 4: be and should be his call. If you're ready to go,

960
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 4: try and win a championship in an place fair enough,

961
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 4: thank you for your service. We're gonna build you a

962
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 4: statue eventionally, go win another championship. Raptors fans will be

963
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 4: very happy about that. If you decide you want to

964
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 4: stick around for the rest of this season, look at

965
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 4: another team in free agency in the summer, that's fine too.

966
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 4: Help us try and make the playoffs. It's your call, buddy.

967
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: Yep, that's exactly how I feel about it. I think

968
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: if Lowry is the one saying I'd like to go

969
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: try and win another title here and I don't like

970
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: our chances with the Raps, then then sure, then maybe

971
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: you explore moving him and he's still a trade ship

972
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: that you can because you also, as the Raptors, look,

973
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: all your money is it's tied into really three guys, right,

974
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: you know, Lowry has a big contract now, but moving forward,

975
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: he's coming off the books. It's Van Vliet, it's og

976
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: and it's Siakam with the huge deal. So you know, also,

977
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be throwing around thirty million dollars at

978
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: Lowry at this point in his career. But it's all

979
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: up to him, you know, never say never. I mean

980
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: I see some people saying there's no way Massai Uxerie

981
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: would do this. Well, you probably were saying the same

982
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: thing when DeRozan got traded, right, Like, it's this is

983
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: a business, and they're whole goal is to win a

984
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: title and they like their chances and to set their

985
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: franchise up for the coming years. Then of course they're

986
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 1: gonna move anyone. Any team really would, but to some extent,

987
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: but I think it's all comes down to Lowry, and

988
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: it's not an easy deal to move, you're right, ley,

989
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: because like in terms of like what you're getting back,

990
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: you're gonna of course, the Raptors ever did look to

991
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 1: trade them, they're gonna want either really young, promising guys

992
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: or obviously some picks. And but then you've got to

993
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: still make the money work with some of these contracts

994
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: to to move off of what what's already thirty million

995
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: a cent or something like that. So yeah, that's not easy,

996
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: but we'll see. I'll never say never. I wouldn't want

997
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 1: to see him go, but I also wouldn't I wouldn't

998
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: honestly be upset if he wanted to. I mean, he's

999
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: earned that right to me. He helped to bring them

1000
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: a chip. But I don't think he will either. I

1001
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: think it's much more likely in the off season, maybe

1002
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: electing to go somewhere else because someone else falls in

1003
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: love with Lowry and is willing to give him even

1004
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: more money because they think he could sort of push

1005
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: them over the edge. We'll keep your eye on it, though.

1006
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: The rumors are gonna start coming, you know, hot and

1007
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: heavy here over there. A couple weeks I was wondering

1008
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 1: you said you'd brought up the trade machine there, Trey.

1009
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 1: Should we get like Blake Murphy on here and just

1010
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 1: do like like a specific Raptors Lowry trade Machine podcast

1011
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: or something like that. We could do something like that.

1012
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: We'll reach out to Blake or Eric Kreen at the Athletic.

1013
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: Those guys are fantastic, Maybe all right. Final one Hall

1014
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: of Famer Kevin Garnett recently told David Marchise of The

1015
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: New York Times that he doesn't believe guys from the

1016
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: previous generation could hack it in today's game. In fact,

1017
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: he offered a lot of praise for a number of

1018
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: current stars. Quote this is Kevin Garnett, Steph Curry revolutionized

1019
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: things with being able to shoot it from distance with

1020
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 1: such consistency, Klay Thompson, Dame Lillard, these guards changed the game.

1021
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: I don't even know if guards from twenty or thirty

1022
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: years ago could play in this time right here. It's creative,

1023
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 1: it's competitive, it's saucy. You'll get dropped, exploitive, we'll cross

1024
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: you over and break your acl these days. That James

1025
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: in a great place. End Quote. If you're telling me

1026
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: Kevin Garnett, you then Exploitif yes, and that's crazy, man,

1027
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,959
Speaker 1: You're crazy. Are you up or down on kg's comments tray,

1028
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: because again this is this is a little different. We

1029
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: usually are talking about these old legends complaining about how

1030
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: the league is softter these players couldn't hack it back

1031
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: when they played. But this is the opposite. What do

1032
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: you think from KG?

1033
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 4: I'm up and down because Skeetch, you just told me

1034
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 4: the Brevin Knight shot thirteen percent from free in his career,

1035
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 4: and I don't think that's cutting it in today's NBA.

1036
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 4: But this is an awesome read. There's interesting stuff on

1037
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 4: the difference here between David Stern and Adam Silver. Yeah,

1038
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 4: there's some stuff on why teams need veterans around to

1039
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 4: teach them about the business of the NBA, not just

1040
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 4: the basketball of it. And then obviously there's this whole

1041
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 4: passage about him honoring today's young guys. I love him

1042
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 4: talking about the creativity and ambition you need to be

1043
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 4: a great offensive player in this league. The fadeaways, the

1044
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 4: one leg runners, the one leg balance shots.

1045
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: Oh.

1046
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 4: I love hearing him talk about it. The league certainly

1047
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 4: is more talented. There are a bunch of the guys

1048
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 4: from the nineties, the two thousands, the ninth teen eighties

1049
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 4: who couldn't play today, a Craig Elo, a Brevin Knight,

1050
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 4: whoever it is. But there's a lot of players from

1051
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 4: the past twenty to thirty years who could play to

1052
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 4: get could play today, like, for instance, Kevin Garnett. Kevin

1053
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 4: Garnett would be amazing in today's NBA. Surely he would

1054
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 4: shoot threes instead of the twenty to twenty two footer

1055
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 4: that he was so famous for. But I remember back

1056
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 4: when Kevin Garnett was coming up, people said, getting the

1057
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 4: post man, you're shooting too many perimeter jumpers. Now everybody

1058
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 4: shoots perimeter jumpers. All the tall guys handle the ball.

1059
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 4: Everybody grabs the ball off the glass, brings it up

1060
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 4: the court. Big guys should be able to guard one

1061
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 4: through five. A guy like Kevin Garnett, ironically enough, would

1062
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 4: be a perfect player in today's NBA. He was great

1063
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 4: when he played. He would probably be even better today.

1064
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 4: But it's just nice to see a refreshing take from

1065
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 4: somebody on today's NBA recognizing that, yeah, every single player

1066
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 4: one through four hundred and fifty is talented. These days,

1067
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 4: you look at down the rosters of basically every team,

1068
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 4: and almost every team has a twenty point per game score.

1069
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 4: That wasn't the case twenty years ago. Basketball has gotten

1070
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 4: a little bit easier offensively, which I think KG is

1071
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 4: certainly hinting at here. The defense has gotten a little

1072
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 4: bit softer, so it's easier to scores. And he's saying

1073
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 4: that too, like I probably would fill out of a

1074
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 4: lot of games. That's probably true because you were.

1075
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 1: A handsy defender.

1076
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 4: But I don't think every player who played in the

1077
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 4: nineteen nineties would be outclassed in today's NBA. The most

1078
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 4: athletic guys back then would still be incredible athletes in

1079
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 4: today's game. And it's also fun to just think about

1080
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 4: what these players would look like if they grew up

1081
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 4: in today's NBA. You know, Trey Young, he plays exactly

1082
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 4: like Steph Curry. But if John Stockton is the biggest

1083
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 4: point guard of the day back in the nineteen nineties,

1084
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 4: maybe he comes in and all he's doing is setting

1085
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 4: people up and shooting four or five threes a day.

1086
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: The game has changed.

1087
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 4: Kevin Garnett recognizes it, but it's funny that even he

1088
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 4: can't see how.

1089
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 1: Awesome he would be in today's league. Yeah, that part

1090
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: is funny. It is cool, Like Garnett really is. From

1091
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: what I can remember, he's like joining iverson here Lee

1092
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: for like legends that are complimentary today's game and today's

1093
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: players more than maybe criticizing the action and what these

1094
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: guys can do. You what are your thoughts on kg's comments.

1095
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think one of the things you hear a

1096
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 2: lot about is the hand check rule, saying that in

1097
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 2: the old days, you know, you could put a hand

1098
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 2: on your defender and that makes all the difference. And

1099
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 2: it makes a difference, no doubt. But what also is

1100
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 2: different between today's game and the game in the eighties

1101
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: and nineties and early two thousands is that Steph Curry,

1102
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: as you saw last night and as we've seen for

1103
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 2: his basically his entire career, but recently, no one was

1104
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: shooting the way that Steph shoots so far away off

1105
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 2: the dribble so accurately. Ever before an NBA history, you know,

1106
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 2: I mean, no one was stepping back. You had guys

1107
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 2: like Ray Allen who would off the you know, catch

1108
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: and shoot maybe from a few feet behind the three

1109
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: point line, would hit a couple of threes. But Steph

1110
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: Curry as a part of his offensive game is like

1111
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: and Lila's the same. You know, there's other players who

1112
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 2: are doing it as well, like three, four, five feet

1113
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 2: from behind the three point line, shooting them just casually

1114
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: and confidently, and it's like it's an okay shot. It's

1115
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 2: a good in the game that was always like considered

1116
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 2: a bad shot the further you are away from the game.

1117
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 2: So you know, someone like Isaiah Thomas, who I was

1118
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 2: a big fan of growing up. You know, one of

1119
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 2: my Heroes, and I used to talk to him when

1120
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 2: we were at NBA TV and he said, you know,

1121
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: I would just you know, I'd get up in Steph's

1122
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 2: face and I'd have my hand on him the like

1123
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: it doesn't like if you watch Steph now, it doesn't

1124
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 2: matter how close the defender is. Steph can create that

1125
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 2: own space for himself and hit step back and hit

1126
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 2: those shots from a mile away, you know. And another

1127
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: guy like Klay Thompson, who unfortunately we haven't seen here

1128
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 2: for the last couple of season. I mean, at six

1129
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: foot eight, he's got the quickest release that you can

1130
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: you can imagine for a player. And it's funny because

1131
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 2: when we were able to go to games up close,

1132
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 2: and I saw a lot of the Warriors through our

1133
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 2: time again at NBA TV, anytime I would see Klay

1134
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 2: Thompson pre game or in the morning shoot around, I

1135
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 2: was always shocked at just how quickly he was able

1136
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 2: to get his shot off and get that release to

1137
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 2: that perfect point, which was almost unguardable. And that's also

1138
00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 2: something we never saw. We never sort of six eight

1139
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 2: guy shooting threes like Klay Thompson did back in the day.

1140
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 2: And now that's becoming common that guys are coming into

1141
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 2: the league and they're able to shoot those threes. So, yeah,

1142
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 2: the game has definitely evolved. It's changed the way the

1143
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 2: offense is, and it is good to see someone like

1144
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 2: Kevin Garnett who kind of came he kind of bridges

1145
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 2: the nineties and the current era now recognizing that, you know,

1146
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 2: the game is just so much different and it's harder,

1147
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 2: and a lot of guys wouldn't be able. Kevin Garnett

1148
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: interesting as well as a three point shooter. I'm surprised

1149
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: he didn't shoot more threes because early on in his

1150
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 2: career it looked like he was establishing somewhat of a

1151
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 2: consistent three point shot there. You know, in his third,

1152
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 2: fourth and fifth season he only shot like thirty nineteen

1153
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 2: and then thirty seven as far as made, but he

1154
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 2: shot a decent percentage, like over thirty percent. So I'm

1155
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 2: surprised that he wasn't able to sort of develop that

1156
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 2: a little bit more and make that a bit more

1157
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 2: of a state of for his game, but he kind

1158
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 2: of went away from it more throughout his career. But

1159
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 2: it's really just refreshing to hear a guy basically just

1160
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 2: say the game is great now, and it's tough as well,

1161
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 2: and it's hard, and I'm not sure if every guy

1162
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 2: would be able to make it in the NBA who

1163
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 2: played in the nineties and vice versa.

1164
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: You know, so that it's impossible to say. And I

1165
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: think when we say that, too, we need to forget

1166
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: about the star players, like a little bit, like and

1167
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: you were sort of saying it, Trey, like, look, Larry

1168
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: Bird could play fine in today's game, Like I think

1169
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: we would all agree with that, and all these stars

1170
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: in the eighties could. I like Isaiah Thomas, he's gonna

1171
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: figure it out. He's gonna probably add a three point shout.

1172
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: He's that good, like blah blah, blahlah blah. It's like

1173
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: I'm more intrigued, like by the ninth, tenth, eleventh, guys.

1174
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: Is that level at a different level in today's game?

1175
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not. I mean again, we have no really

1176
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: way to know, but I think it is. I do

1177
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: because of I think these guys are asked to do

1178
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: a little bit more, especially when it comes to shooting

1179
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: the ball and having a bit of a handle and

1180
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: being a bit more of a playmaker and try defensively.

1181
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: I just think at that level when you get deep

1182
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: on the rosters, I think the level is and it

1183
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: makes sense because the game is, like, you know, has

1184
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 1: just taken the next step that these guys that are eighth, nine,

1185
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: tenth to eleventh guys like they're better. In my opinion,

1186
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: they are the star guys. Of course, the star guys

1187
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: are gonna be the stars in the eighties, nineties, two thousand.

1188
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: It's like, that's a no brainer. It's these other guys.

1189
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 1: To me, I don't know if you agree. It sounded

1190
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: like you did Trey when you were talking about going

1191
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: down the rosters.

1192
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I think you're exactly right that the era

1193
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,919
Speaker 4: of the one trick pony is kind of gone right,

1194
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 4: Like you're not seeing a lot of just Reggie Evans

1195
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 4: out there or Jeff Fosters, who all you do is

1196
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 4: be a big guy who grabs rebounds. You got to

1197
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 4: be able to do kind of everything out on the court,

1198
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 4: which is why you see these players come in off

1199
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 4: the bench due to the COVID protocols, and you're still

1200
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 4: getting fifteen a game from cj Elbi, a guy you've

1201
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 4: never heard of, but he's got skills because he's a

1202
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 4: modern athlete. And can shoot the ball, and that hasn't

1203
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 4: always been the case. Back in the day, you had

1204
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 4: a lot of guys who just happened to be very,

1205
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 4: very big, and there's still a lot of big guys around,

1206
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 4: but it's not the same. My favorite part from this though,

1207
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:50,959
Speaker 4: was KG descricribing how physically tough the game is. He says,

1208
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 4: I want you to get on a court, sprint, corner

1209
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 4: to corner, stop on a diamond, shoot to three. I

1210
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 4: want you to do ten of these. Then I want

1211
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 4: you to focus on how tired you are. All I

1212
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 4: could think about le elis he would love to spread

1213
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 4: to a corner and shore ten threes with Kevin Garnaut

1214
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 4: yelling at him.

1215
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 2: He would love it, Okay, g It was great when

1216
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 2: we had him there and just seeing him off camera.

1217
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 2: I wish he was the off camera personality when he

1218
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 2: was on camera because I think I think he was

1219
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: trying to be a little bit too, you know, TV

1220
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: like when he was on TV, but off camera, some

1221
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 2: of the stuff you would hear from him was just gold,

1222
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 2: absolute gold.

1223
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: That guy is always amped. He is like he is

1224
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: like maybe not on television, You're right at times you

1225
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,919
Speaker 1: can't drop f bombs left and right either wise. Yeah,

1226
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: but you've got to bring the energy though that he

1227
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: that he yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1228
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: Remember when he was telling us at the All Star

1229
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: Weekend how in the summer when he was I think

1230
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 2: he's in the NBA already, But some of his friends

1231
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: used to get together and they would lower the rim

1232
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 2: right right, and so they could all practice, you know,

1233
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: they could all plan, they could dunk each other and

1234
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 2: talk trash and stuff. I mean the way that he

1235
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 2: described that story, there we go lower down man like

1236
00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:59,439
Speaker 2: animated guy.

1237
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, see why I was a dominant player for sure,

1238
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: barking out orders defensively. That's great. Okay, so go read

1239
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: that if you haven't, you're right, Tray. There's a lot

1240
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: of cool stuff in that that New York Times article

1241
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,919
Speaker 1: with KG Is it because he has a book coming out?

1242
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: Is that a book coming Yeah? Yeah, that's that's why

1243
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 1: I thought it. Right. All right, let's take one more

1244
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 1: break here, let's get to tweet. Well, what's wrong.

1245
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, you know, speaking of one

1246
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 2: hundred percent money back guarantees, I wish the QUA actually

1247
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 2: offered one hundred percent money back guarantee for when they

1248
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 2: put on a show at the Canada cent I would

1249
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 2: have absolutely put in a quests and said, not happy,

1250
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 2: give me my money back.

1251
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 1: That bad eh. Yep, Wow, it could probably expensive too.

1252
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 6: One of the best concerts I've ever seen at the Center.

1253
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 6: It was at the CNY Exhibition Stadium. It was female

1254
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 6: so you had a great time.

1255
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, when when was that JD.

1256
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 6: It would have been nineteen eighty five, is okay?

1257
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 2: They still had some energy then.

1258
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 6: Now they just stood there and played the songs. But

1259
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 6: that's what we love.

1260
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: I'm talking twenty ten.

1261
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 2: They were you know, we're going to do this again,

1262
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: do we?

1263
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 6: You said that you sent us that clip of Billy

1264
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 6: Joel doing this girl yours. You were couldn't have been

1265
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 6: further away, Like I was watching it, going this is hell,

1266
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 6: and there was nowhere I would pay to see this concert.

1267
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 6: You couldn't even see the stage you were, but you were.

1268
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 1: You were in the nosebleeds on the side of the Yeah,

1269
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: I was.

1270
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 2: I was.

1271
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 1: I guess you just couldn't tell.

1272
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 2: It didn't feel that bad when I was there.

1273
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 1: I mean it wasn't. I couldn't. I couldn't.

1274
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 2: I couldn't get closer tickets because I bought tickets the

1275
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 2: day of because that was the day after bon Jovi

1276
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 2: was at Wembley and I was like, I was wondering,

1277
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 2: what's happening today, and it was like Billy John Oh

1278
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 2: my god, Billy Joel right, yeah, Boom bought tickets and

1279
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 2: then the Eagles played on the Sunday night. I almost

1280
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 2: had the trifecta at the at the Wembley Stadium there,

1281
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 2: but ah, man, what a show that was?

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00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: All right? But the cure notts so agreed the ACC.

1283
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: How much were those tickets? You remember?

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00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 2: Fifty bucks?

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00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: I suppose I don't know.

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00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 2: I mean, if you haven't won at the ACC, you know,

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00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 2: I think it's at least fifty bucks.

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00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, were you close for that one? Yeah?

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00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 2: It was on the ground. In fact, like round level,

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Speaker 2: round level.

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00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: I could have thrown a box of magic spoon.

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00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 2: I would have got out of my magic spoon started

1293
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 2: eating it and saying, listen, this is a This is

1294
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 2: a company that stands behind its product, not like you

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00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 2: guys up there singing these songs.

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00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: Sure, I know the songs. I like them. You're not

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00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: lip sinking.

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00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 2: I'll give you that, But give me a little, give

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00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 2: me a little something. Yeah, come on, entertain me.

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00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 6: Need a little chemmy, a little shemmy, a little shike.

1301
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 2: Just give me something.

1302
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 6: But wouldn't it be weird to see Robert Smith shimmying

1303
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 6: and carrying on there.

1304
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 2: I just wanted him to look like he was actually

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00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 2: happy to be there. You know, I've never seen John

1306
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 2: bon Jovie sort of come out on stage like shit,

1307
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 2: here we go again.

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00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: The myth of the cure. That sounds thing. It would

1309
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: be weirder if you came out. But energy, you can

1310
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: still bring energy.

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Speaker 6: No, No, it's goth Man. It's it's like, no, we

1312
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 6: don't want to be here, you don't want to the songs,

1313
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 6: and we all love it. We love it.

1314
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 2: They went a little too mainstream to to sort of

1315
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 2: stay with that goth like vibe.

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00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: You know.

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00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 6: It's like songs are too good. Their songs are too good.

1318
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta be.

1319
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 2: But listen, I still love their music. I still love

1320
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 2: their music. I just wouldn't go and see them again.

1321
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:37,919
Speaker 2: I just they hurt.

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Speaker 6: Hi.

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Speaker 1: This is Lee Ellis and these are my top five

1324
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: happy Cure songs. I've got the cure. Let's get to

1325
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: tweet of the night. Tweet of the night. Wow, So

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00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: this one's This one's fun because I had tweeted the

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00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: night duties. I was getting ready to share my tweet,

1328
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: but we were right before we were going to go live, Lisa,

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00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: do you have a tweet? Of course, I got a tweet.

1330
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: I do my homework. I got something here. You're like, well,

1331
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: something's coming in late here, I might have something. What

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00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: is it? Is it good? I think? I said, is

1333
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: it good? And you're like, it's really good. I think

1334
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: we should do it. I said, okay, look, mine's not amazing.

1335
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: Why don't you take it? So Lee, you will go

1336
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: to the tweet of the night. I hope it's a

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00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: good one. What do you have?

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00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 2: I've got two great tweets? And this is actually a

1339
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 2: bit of a throwback here because remember what an annual

1340
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,959
Speaker 2: tradition was always Magic Johnson listening off his MVP candidates. Well,

1341
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 2: he's back because he couldn't do it really when he

1342
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 2: was the Lakers president there. It was like, yeah, tampering somewhat,

1343
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 2: So he stopped doing that. But he basically quit the

1344
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 2: Lakers presidency just so he could tweet again. And this

1345
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 2: is why he's actually improved it as well. He's got

1346
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 2: tier of candidates here, so The Tier one MVP candidates

1347
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 2: this season are Lebron, James Ye, Steph Curry, Joel Embi

1348
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 2: Ka d Yanna's aunt to Takopo, Luka, Doncic, Nikola Jokic, Kawhi,

1349
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 2: Leonard great.

1350
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: Great, but he's also got Tier two. Now we kind

1351
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,479
Speaker 1: of start there a magic. There was a lot of guys.

1352
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: You two m v P.

1353
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 2: Jalen Brown, Damian Lillard, A D Paul George, Jason Tatum,

1354
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 2: and Bradley Beal.

1355
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: It's you. You're the ghost trader from Andrew Johnson's Sweet.

1356
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: It's official. Bradley Beale.

1357
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, well, you know what, fair enough. You know,

1358
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 2: it is hard to pretend that it's not me writing

1359
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 2: those because even for Luka Doncic, he put in those

1360
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 2: little you know, I don't know what they're called above

1361
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 2: his names, in the letters above his name in the

1362
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 2: surname there. If you can bring that one up again,

1363
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 2: just the first one there he.

1364
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: From Basketball Reference.

1365
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that that actually takes effort there, you know,

1366
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 2: Jokich as well. The little accent I'm not I know,

1367
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 2: it's not quughed an accent on the on the first

1368
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 2: sea in Donic there, it's called something else from the

1369
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 2: Slovenian language, but that would be me. I would definitely

1370
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 2: do that.

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01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: I want to. You know, what's so weird about that one?

1372
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: He goes with KYD but then spells niss for me.

1373
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: I know, I know, weird.

1374
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bradley Beal is probably along the Hassan Whiteside

1375
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 2: level that he put in there one time. Hassan white.

1376
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: That's that's respectful the bill. I mean, I can even

1377
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: pretend that he's in a Tier two m VP cut

1378
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: Whitside being involved in any MVP conversation is a joke.

1379
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 2: Magic as well. I'm not gonna I'm going to save

1380
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 2: you the trouble now. But he also had his rookies

1381
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 2: who were impressing him this season. After LaMelo Ball last

1382
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 2: night had such a great game, of course, he was

1383
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 2: also impressed by these rookies James Wiseman, and then you're

1384
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 2: quickly Anthony Edwards, Oh.

1385
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: Well that's it, that's it. Wow. I mean, no, no,

1386
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: Patrick Williams, Yeah, just don't have a rookie, do they.

1387
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 2: Oh Wellt's not a rookieasy, I guess no.

1388
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: Okay Man Magic all right? Well, wow, I mean the

1389
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 1: crazy part is that was better than my tweet, So

1390
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: good stuff. Figure results from last night. We didn't talk

1391
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: about this game. Milwaukee and Denver Bucks were favored by

1392
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: four and a half and they got the job done.

1393
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: It was pulled away at the end. Pretty dominant performance

1394
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: from Chris Middleton, who is balling man right now. He

1395
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: was special in this one. Nodrew Holiday and Jamal Murray

1396
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: had a rough go of it, but so that's a win.

1397
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: Milwaukee four tray his first victory of the month. You're

1398
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: one and five and you're right in this man. I'm

1399
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: telling you Lee two and four as you had the

1400
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: Bucks as well. Tas and I took the l last night.

1401
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 1: So Tassa is two and four, he's titles Lee and

1402
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: I'm three and three. Five hundred leads this whole thing.

1403
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: So tonight's game, it is Philly Sacramento all the red

1404
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: hot Kings. Philly favored by five and a half on

1405
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: the road. This is the latest game of the day

1406
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: or night, something like seven games on. We got TNT doubleheader, Rockets, Pelicans, Celtics, Jazz,

1407
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: but sixers Kings is the one we're focusing on. Philly

1408
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: by five and a half. Their favorites on the road,

1409
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: Kings are hot lely, Where are you going?

1410
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm gonna believe in the Kings here.

1411
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: Oh boy, yeah.

1412
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 2: I think they've got five points there to play with

1413
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 2: against the six The Sixers are playing really well, no

1414
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 2: injuries either. Em Beid has been great lately.

1415
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 6: But I don't know.

1416
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 2: I just saw the Kings over the weekend. I think

1417
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 2: there's seven of eight now they've won. I think they

1418
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 2: can keep this one close enough.

1419
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,959
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're taking a seconmental plus five and a half,

1420
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: So what.

1421
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 4: Do you have, Trey, I'm gonna go with the Sixers.

1422
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 4: I'm assuming Embiid's gonna play. They're a little bit better

1423
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 4: rested than the Kings are. I think this is the

1424
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 4: third game in four nights for Sacramento. They've been balling.

1425
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 4: It's a little bit of a big.

1426
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: Line five and a half points, but I'll go Philly.

1427
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: I'm going with Trey, and I love the Kinks. But

1428
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: Kings do play at a lot of close games, so

1429
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: that's why you can fall in love with this line,

1430
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: even if you don't think they'll win. But we've also

1431
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: seen them just get their ass handed of them earlier

1432
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: in the year, and I like that whole rested thing there.

1433
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Philly to win this by six

1434
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: or more. Let's find out who tasks.

1435
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 6: This is the Seth Curry revenge game he played for

1436
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 6: the Kings early in his career when he really couldn't

1437
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 6: find his way with one team.

1438
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna have a big one. Gimme Philly. Good good

1439
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: news for Ley. You've got the accidental swerve going with

1440
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: pese pre swerve. You are the only one taking Sacramento

1441
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: to keep it close. You got the points to play with.

1442
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 1: Like you said, everybody else has Philly to win by

1443
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:35,439
Speaker 1: six or more. All right, guys, anything else to add

1444
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: before we go here? I'm loving that hat Tray. I

1445
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 1: should have said that off the top is that a

1446
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:39,919
Speaker 1: corduroy hat.

1447
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 4: Corduroy hat had to bend it like a beastie boy,

1448
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 4: otherwise it wasn't gonna fit my big old head with

1449
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 4: all this hair.

1450
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: Corduroy hats up or down on corduroy hats. I am

1451
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: up and you just reminded me, and I accidentally closed

1452
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: it before I could take a screen grab. It was

1453
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: an Instagram ad I got yesterday. I think they're making

1454
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: tray car Heart NBA hats. Oh baby, yeah, I again,

1455
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 1: I did one of those things where I opened my

1456
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: IG and I was like, you know, it's a stupid

1457
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: ad or whatever. So I scrolled by it or whatever.

1458
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: I closed it and I'm like, oh my god, I

1459
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: think that was a car heart NBA hat and I couldn't.

1460
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: I tried to find it, but you know, it's like

1461
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: you can't really search for ads. So I was like,

1462
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 1: hope this pops back up. Maybe me just saying it

1463
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: out loud. My phone is listening, So hopefully I'll get

1464
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 1: that car heart NBA hat. Can't. I'm gonna definitely do

1465
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: some googling.

1466
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 4: Do please do unearth a bowls car heart for a

1467
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 4: hard working man like myself down at the factory.

1468
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looked I gotta say it looked cool. It

1469
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: was like that that that color of all the of

1470
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: all their brick. Then I had the logo. So yeah,

1471
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: if you're in the stream team right now and you

1472
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: find the car heart NBA hat, let me know. Maybe

1473
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: I dreamt it. I don't know, Okay, emails your NBA

1474
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,440
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