1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. Good morning, it's the 2 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: big day. I'm heading out to Korea today. 3 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 2: That's Julie Miller, a forty six year old stay at 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 2: home mum from New Jersey. She's on her way to 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 2: the airport to fly to South Korea. 6 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: As I'm sitting here, I am noticing all my neck issues, 7 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: so I'm very, very excited for these treatments. 8 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: Those treatments, botox shots and skin tightening are the reason 9 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: Julie's flying to Soul. It's a trip that will take 10 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: her about a day, and the final bill for those 11 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 2: treatments isn't cheap, about three thousand dollars, but it's almost 12 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: half the cost of doing it back home, and Julie 13 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: says they're worth the distance and every penny. 14 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: The biggest draw was people were very satisfied with their results, 15 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: and that combined with a better price than we have 16 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: in the US, it's like a no brainer. 17 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 2: Julie is among hundreds of thousands of tourists who travel 18 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: from all over the world to South Korea every year 19 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: for beauty treatments. Bloomberg senior reporter and Big Take Asia 20 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: host One h has been reporting on the rise of 21 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 2: medical tourism in the country. 22 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 3: South Korea's medical tourism business hit a record high of 23 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 3: six hundred thousand people in twenty twenty three, and they're 24 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 3: on track to get even higher. A third of the 25 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 3: tourists came in for cosmetic procedures in twenty twenty three, 26 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 3: and another twenty percent came into Korea for plastic surgery 27 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 3: right now, plasty facelifts, all that fun stuff. 28 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: It's a growing industry for South Korea's economy, and the 29 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: government wants to turn the country into a medical tourism 30 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: herber in Asia. But as the beauty market thrives, the 31 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,919 Speaker 2: country's medical system faces other challenges. 32 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 3: All South Korea has been long suffering from this doctor shortage, 33 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 3: especially in emergency rooms and critical care, and at the 34 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 3: beginning of twenty twenty four, we saw these resident doctors 35 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 3: strike to protest low wages and these long working hours. 36 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 3: This has now been going on for almost a year. 37 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 3: At the same time, you've got this spectacular rise of 38 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 3: the medical tourism industry, You've got a rise in doctors 39 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 3: going into the more lucrative fields like plastic surgery, cosmetic centers, dermatology, 40 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 3: and all of these things are booming against this backdrop 41 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 3: where you've got people dying, people being refused from hospitals 42 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 3: because there's a shortage of doctors. 43 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 2: Welcome to The Big Take Asia from Bloomberg News. I'm 44 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: Rebecca Chung Wilkins. Every week we take you inside some 45 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 2: of the world's biggest and most powerful economies and the markets, 46 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 2: tycoons and businesses that drive this ever shifting region. Today 47 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 2: on the show, the rise of medical tourism in South 48 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: Korea and how it's colliding with a shrinking supply of 49 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: doctors and a struggling medical system. 50 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 4: One. 51 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 3: Hello, hey there, how's it going. 52 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 4: Welcome. 53 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 3: It's kind of funny treating seeds, isn't it. 54 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 4: I know, so you usually sit on this end of 55 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 4: the microphone, and finally I can put you in the 56 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 4: hot seats. I'm going to try and spook you as much. 57 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 3: As possible as Farry. 58 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's one hat is usually the host of The Big 59 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 2: Take Asia, but this week she's in the hot seat 60 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: to talk about her reporting on South Korea's medical tourism industry. 61 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 3: Medical tourism is this broad catch all that the government uses, 62 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 3: and it runs the gamut from people coming in for 63 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 3: health checkups, to cancer treatment, even to laser surgery. But 64 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 3: for most medical tourists, it's really about plastic surgery and skincare. 65 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: Along with the rise of K pop, k beauty is 66 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: enjoying a spectacular boom. 67 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 3: Everything about South Korean culture is so cool and hip 68 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 3: these days. I mean the fact that you know, Squid 69 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 3: Games is on television, Black Pinks Rosy per song apt 70 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 3: is like the global hit right now, playing on radios 71 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 3: and streaming everywhere. And so of course this whole K 72 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 3: pop culture is really feeding into this beauty esthetic. Looking young, 73 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 3: looking good, having dewy glass skin that really is a standard, 74 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 3: not just for Koreans, but I think for a lot 75 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 3: of young people all around the world. 76 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,679 Speaker 2: Medical tourism isn't new. For years, people have been traveling 77 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 2: to places like Thailand and Brazil for treatments, but South 78 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 2: Korea is now seen as a rising destination for medical 79 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: and cosmetic care, where people seek out some of the 80 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 2: most affordable and advanced procedures to transform their bodies. It's 81 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 2: a highly competitive industry and one the Korean government has 82 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: been formally promoting since two thousand and nine. 83 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: The Korean government really wants to establish Korea as a 84 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 3: medical tourism hub. The lawmakers in twenty sixteen past this 85 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 3: law to support and help grow the medical tourism industry. 86 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 3: And it's got a whole system to basically license companies 87 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 3: that help to bring in these foreign patients to the clinics. 88 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 3: It gives subsidies to the companies and to the industry. 89 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: There's this government unit under the Health to Ministry that holds, 90 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 3: you know, medical tourism shows around the world, and they 91 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 3: offer medical tourism visas. 92 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 4: And you recently went to South Korea for one of 93 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 4: these treatments. Maybe that's why you're looking particularly glowing in 94 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 4: twenty thirty five five. 95 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 3: Well, you know, as you say, while in Korea, do 96 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 3: as the Koreans do. I mean, it's hard to be 97 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 3: in Korea and not feel like, geez, there's something wrong 98 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 3: with me. And I figured, since I'm writing about this, 99 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,239 Speaker 3: I figure I should just do it myself and experience 100 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 3: for myself what that was like. 101 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: And what did your doctor tell you in your consultation? 102 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 3: Oh that was funny. 103 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 5: Hi. 104 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 3: My name is Juan yep So. I actually went to 105 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 3: two consultations. The very first one was for the facial 106 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 3: treatment that I got. I also went to go see 107 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 3: a plastic surgeon and asked him what would you do 108 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 3: to improve upon this? Here's here's what he said. 109 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 5: And you notice it's a really cookie and your TV 110 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 5: serve ved if Bob was here. Our foreheads are really flat, 111 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 5: so I recommend the fatcraft to hear. Your chin is 112 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 5: a really small and retracted, so we will recommend the 113 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 5: chin implant war shin advancement. 114 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 3: So essentially basically said, you shouldn't be walking out like 115 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 3: you do every day. You really should be wearing a mask. 116 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 5: Yeah. 117 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 4: Yeah. 118 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: One eventually got a micro needling an ultrasound therapy to 119 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 2: help lift and tighten her skin, and she says she 120 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: did feel like she was glowing afterwards and would do 121 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: it again. She got her treatments in Gangna. Yes, that's 122 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: it's the same Gangnam that's featured in the song Gangnam Style. 123 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 3: Gangnam is a district in Soul and the name literally 124 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 3: translates to south of the Han River, and it's known 125 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 3: as South Korea's Beverly Hills actually because a lot of 126 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 3: the wealthy residents and you've got these celebrities who live 127 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 3: there as well, So both a residential area but also 128 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 3: a very vibrant business district. I went on a tour 129 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 3: and entered about five of these high rises, and every 130 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 3: single one was filled with literally dozens and dozens and 131 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 3: dozens of plastic surgery, cosmetic centers, skin care clinics. 132 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 2: Based on data from the International Society of Esthetic Plastic Surgery, 133 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: the number of Korean cosmetic surgeons in private practice has 134 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: nearly doubled in the past decade to more than twenty 135 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: seven hundred, the highest concentration per capita globally. But South 136 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 2: Korea also has one of the lowest ratios of doctors 137 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: to population in the developed world, meaning there's not enough 138 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 2: doctors to care for people in need of medical attention. 139 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 3: The doctors, they've been on strike for almost a year, 140 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: some of them have resigned. There's a local media report 141 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 3: that said the number of er doctors fell more than 142 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 3: forty percent nationwide last year. 143 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 2: After the break. Where South Korea's medical tourism boom and 144 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 2: its doctor shortage collides. South Korea has seen a boom 145 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: in medical tourism in recent years, with hundreds of thousands 146 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 2: of people coming from around the world to get popular 147 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 2: cosmetic treatments, but tensions are escalating alongside that growth. For years, 148 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,119 Speaker 2: South Korea has been plagued by a shortage of doctors, 149 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,599 Speaker 2: especially in critical fields, and young doctors in particular have 150 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: been complaining about their low wages and harsh working conditions. 151 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: Blueberg to oneh met one of these doctors. 152 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 3: She's obgyn, an obstetrician gynecologist in her thirties, and she 153 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 3: basically said, listen, life as a resident is awful, right. 154 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 3: You don't make a lot of money to begin with, 155 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 3: but you're working these crazy work weeks. She was saying 156 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 3: that she had worked eighty hour weeks. 157 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: And in February last year, to address the shortfall of 158 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 2: medical staff, the government proposed increasing the quota for medical students. 159 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 3: They proposed to increase medical school admissions by two thirds 160 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 3: to about five thousand a year. You think that would 161 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 3: be a good thing, right, getting more doctors into the pipeline, 162 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 3: But in fact, the doctors were all up in arms 163 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 3: about it. 164 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 2: And why are they upset about the government increasing admissions 165 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: for medical students. 166 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 3: The doctors are saying that, hey, just adding more doctors 167 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 3: into the mix isn't going to solve the structural problems 168 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 3: that's really underpinning the shortage and it comes down to 169 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 3: what they say, or at least two critical issue shoes. One. 170 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 3: Korea's got this great national health insurance system. It serves 171 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 3: fifty two million citizens. It's one of the best healthcare systems. 172 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 3: But Koreans love to see their doctors, and they're seeing 173 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 3: their doctors way more than in other developed countries. So 174 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 3: these doctors are super super busy. 175 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 2: That's in part because healthcare is really accessible and affordable 176 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 2: in South Korea. Koreans can visit any medical institution, public 177 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 2: or private, and only need to pay a fraction of 178 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 2: the cost. The government then reimburses the hospitals and clinics 179 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 2: for the treatment. But hospitals say the reimbursement from the 180 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 2: government is too low. 181 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 3: So low in fact, that a lot of these hospitals 182 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 3: are barely financially stable and they're relying on this very 183 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 3: heavy and high turnover to stay in business. And of 184 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 3: course that puts a lot of burden back on the doctors, 185 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 3: especially these poor young residents who are working crazy eighty 186 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 3: work week hours. 187 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 2: In February twenty two, twenty four, nearly thirteen thousand doctors, 188 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 2: mostly residents and trainees, went on strike around the country. 189 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 2: Some of them have resigned altogether. The strike has been 190 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: going on for almost a year. The guynecologist she also 191 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: joined the walkout with her colleagues and has since quit 192 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 2: her job at the hospital. She's now working as a 193 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: dermatologist at a skincare clinic and soul. She said she's 194 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: happy with that choice now that she can spend more 195 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: time with her baby. 196 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 3: There are just these fundamental structural problems that the government 197 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 3: still isn't addressing, and so you do have doctors leaving 198 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 3: critical medical specialties and entering fields that aren't dependent on 199 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 3: the healthcare reimbursement system, like dermatology, like plastic surgery. 200 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: For things like cosmetic procedures or plastic surgery, such treatments 201 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 2: aren't covered by national insurance, so doctors working in these 202 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: specialties are able to charge and earn a lot more. 203 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 3: The doctors say, as long as you have this current 204 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 3: national health insurance system in place with super low reimbursements, 205 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 3: you're always going to have a shortage of doctors because 206 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 3: nobody's going to want to stay in these critical care 207 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 3: specialties that don't pay a whole lot when they can see, oh, 208 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 3: they're fellow dermatologists making twice as much as they are. 209 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 2: Even more, the impasse has led to a disruption of 210 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 2: essential medical services at hospitals. Major hospitals have had to 211 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 2: cut back on surgeries and emergency room operation hours. In 212 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 2: some cases, the shortage has had deadly consequences. A report 213 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: from Dunguok University said some thirty seven hundred patients have 214 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 2: died since twenty seventeen because local hospitals didn't have enough 215 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: doctors to treat patients and refused to provide care. After 216 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 2: the walkout, the Health Ministry began deploying military doctors to 217 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 2: hospital emergency rooms to deal with the ongoing staff shortage 218 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 2: and in the long run, the government told Bloomberg, GET 219 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 2: pledged to spend about twenty billion dollars to complete medical 220 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 2: reform and is continuing to monitor the situation. There's another 221 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 2: consequence to all of this. It's impossible to ignore, and 222 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 2: you can see it on the faces of people you 223 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 2: pass on the street in Korea and beyond. 224 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 3: It's hard because in Korea when you walk around, everybody 225 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 3: is put together right, And can you imagine if you 226 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 3: don't subscribe to that kind of esthetic, If that's not 227 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 3: you right, I mean, how out of place you feel 228 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 3: and when there are places that are offering six dollars 229 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 3: botox shots, how can you refuse? And so I think 230 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 3: there is such an immense pressure for people to stay young, 231 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 3: to look young, to stay good, and I think it's 232 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 3: really hard for people who perhaps don't subscribe to that 233 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 3: kind of aesthetic and value. 234 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 2: One checked in with Julie, the women from New Jersey 235 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 2: that we heard earlier a month and a half after 236 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: her procedures. 237 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 3: So how are you doing? You said, a lot of 238 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 3: people were noticing made some nice comments about your face 239 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 3: and skins. 240 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,359 Speaker 1: Well, yeah they did. They said that I'm aging backwards. 241 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 2: That's great. 242 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 3: Well, how do you feel about it? 243 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: I don't know that I noticed much until a couple 244 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 1: of weeks. And then a couple of weeks later, at 245 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: some point I looked in the mirror and I was like, Oh, 246 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: my skin is looking really good. 247 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 3: Are you thinking about making another trip anytime soon? 248 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: I would actually do it, like in a year. 249 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. Are you thinking next time you'll come back with 250 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 3: a friend, or you'll come back by yourself, or what 251 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 3: are you thinking? 252 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: My sister in law seems really interested, So maybe. 253 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 2: This is the big take. Asia from Bloomberg News I'm 254 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 2: Rebecca Cheung Wilkins. This episode was produced by Young Young, 255 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: Naomi Ung, and Jessica Beck. It was mixed by Alex Sagura, 256 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 2: sound designed by Jessica, and fact check by Naomi. It 257 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 2: was edited by Aaron Edwards and David Rocks. There was 258 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 2: additional reporting Guy Sella. 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