1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:01,680 Speaker 1: Welcome. 2 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 2: It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you, 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 2: and Senator let's start with the big breaking news, something 4 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 2: you've been calling for for quite some time, and that 5 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: is for the Harvard president to be ousted from that position. 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 2: President Gay has resigned after her what the media is 7 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 2: calling her rocky testimony and these new plagiarism allegations, and 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 2: I think we should be honest with a verdict. Listener, 9 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: do not be banboozled by the mainstream media here trying 10 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 2: to claim this has anything to do with her anti 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 2: Semitic testimony before Congress. They were more than happy to 12 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: protect her. Harvard was with everything that she said before Congress. 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 2: This is separate about the plagiarism allegations that have come out. 14 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 3: Well, yesterday's news that Claudie and Gay resigned as president 15 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 3: of Harvard is a big, big deal. The president of 16 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 3: Harvard is the premier academic position, arguably in the United States, 17 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 3: very possible in the world. And Claudine Gay was the 18 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 3: embodiment of the moral rot and corruption at the heart 19 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 3: of our elite academic institutions. Her resigning is a major 20 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 3: step forward, and it was not done willingly. It was 21 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 3: not done voluntarily, it was not done easily. It was 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 3: I believe inevitable. And this is something you and I 23 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 3: have been talking about on this podcast for two months 24 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 3: now that it was clear, especially ever since her testimony 25 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 3: before Congress, that she needed to resign, and that I 26 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 3: believed she would resign. Now, this goes back. She has 27 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 3: only been in the position for six months and two days, 28 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 3: she says, the shortest tenure of any president of Harvard 29 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:52,559 Speaker 3: in the history of the institution centuries long. This goes 30 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 3: back to October seventh, to the horrific attacks that occurred 31 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 3: in Israel. And you'll recall in the days that follow 32 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 3: those attacks, the Harvard administration was silent. It could not 33 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 3: bring itself to condemn the atrocities carried out by Hamas 34 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 3: thirty five student groups at the Harvard campus put out 35 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 3: a statement blaming Israel for all of those atrocities, blaming 36 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 3: Israel for every murder, for every woman and girl who 37 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 3: was raped, for every infant that was slaughtered, saying all 38 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 3: of them are one hundred percent Israel's fault. And even 39 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: in the face of that, Claudingey could not bring herself 40 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:34,679 Speaker 3: to forcibly and unequivocally condemn Hamas and anti Semitism. But 41 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 3: that was the beginning of this scandal that took her down. 42 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 3: From there. We saw rising anti semitism on every campus, 43 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 3: especially the elite campuses across the country, and we saw 44 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 3: it Harvard, in particular, Jewish students being harassed, being actively 45 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 3: and aggressively harassed by pro Palestinian and pro Hamas protesters, 46 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 3: and the administration unwilling and unable to do anything. That's 47 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: why Kung had the hearing with the presidents of Harvard, 48 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 3: PEN and MIT, because the incidences of anti Semitism, of 49 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 3: extreme Prohamas protests on university campuses had skyrocketed. That's what 50 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 3: teed up the hearing, But even at that point, Harvard 51 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 3: was not willing to terminate her position. Then she gave 52 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 3: her testimony, testimony that is universally regarded as disastrous. She 53 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 3: and the president of PENN and the president of MIT 54 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 3: all gave testimony in which they refused to clearly and 55 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 3: unequivocally condemn ant to Semitism. They were unable to answer 56 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 3: the question of whether calling for the genocide of the 57 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 3: Jewish people violated their university's code of conduct. All three 58 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 3: of them said, well, it depends on the context, you know, 59 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 3: implying in some instances genocide. Actively advocating the murder of 60 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 3: your fellow students. In some instances that might be acceptable 61 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 3: when you're political ideology presumably encourages if it is a 62 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 3: group that is a disfavored group, then calling for their 63 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 3: murder maybe okay, is what they essentially implied. Now, the 64 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 3: point you just made a second ago, Ben is really important. 65 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 3: She wasn't fired. Then within days of that testimony, the 66 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 3: president of Penn, Liz McGill, she resigned, and she resigned 67 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 3: because of enormous pressure from the board, enormous pressure from donors, 68 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 3: and she was the first to go. 69 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 2: But and that was to be clear, that was not 70 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 2: because they wanted to do the right thing. That was 71 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 2: because there was too many dollars that were pledged to 72 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,239 Speaker 2: the university that were at stake, and you had multi 73 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 2: multimillionaires saying we will not give you our money, and 74 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 2: that it was just it was a simple dollars and 75 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 2: sense equation. They couldn't continue to stand by her because 76 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 2: of the financial loss that they would have taken. Which 77 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: again I say that because I want to put an 78 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 2: asterisk by that that's not doing the right thing morally, 79 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: that's not standing up for the people of Israel or 80 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: any Jewish student on campus. That was simply, we don't 81 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: have enough money to walk away from this money. So 82 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 2: we're gonna have to make the right financial decision here. 83 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 2: Not because we believe that the people, the Jewish students 84 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: or the people of Israel Isra have a right to exist. 85 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: It was just financial. 86 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 3: Well, let me modify that a little bit. You also 87 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 3: had some leadership at Penn. So, for example, the chairman 88 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 3: of the board of Trustees of the Wharton Schools, a 89 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 3: guy named Mark Rowan great point, who is who is 90 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 3: a very successful New York businessman, who spoke out unequivocally 91 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 3: and demanded that she be fired and demanded that the 92 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 3: chair of the board of trustees of PEN be fired 93 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 3: as well because of their response to anti Semitism. And 94 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 3: I got to say, because you had his leadership, and 95 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 3: you had the leadership, as you noted, of numerous donors, 96 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 3: people like Ronald Lauder, people like the Huntsman family who 97 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 3: said they were going to cut off their contributions to 98 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 3: PEN that nation Pen was the most vulnerable to the 99 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 3: pressure and Penn did the right thing. 100 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: But it was a combination. 101 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 3: You had some leadership within Pen at least in a 102 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 3: formal position of authority, and you had the the thread 103 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 3: of donors cutting off cash. 104 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: Now at Harvard, it's. 105 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 3: Been widely reported that there was upwards of one billion 106 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 3: dollars of future commitments that were canceled or threatened to 107 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 3: be canceled in light of of Harvard's terrible record on 108 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 3: anti Semitism. And yet even even so, Harvard didn't blink. 109 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 3: The Harvard Corporation, which is the governing body of Harvard University, 110 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 3: put out a statement unanimously standing with Claudine Gay and 111 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 3: and by the way, it's also been reported that Barack 112 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 3: Obama was personally lobbying. The chairman of that board is 113 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 3: Penny Pritzker. She was the Commerce secretary under Barack Obama. 114 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 3: And it's been reported that Barack Obama was personally lobbying 115 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 3: the members of the Harvard Corporation. And so their view 116 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 3: was a horrible record on anti Semitism is okay, horrible 117 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 3: testimony before Congress in which you cannot bring yourself to 118 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 3: condemn people calling for the genocide of the Jewish people. 119 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 3: That's okay, and refusing to create it an environment on 120 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 3: campus where Jewish students are safe looking the other way 121 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: at threats against your Jewish students. All of that was okay, 122 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 3: not just okay, unanimously okay. 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It was the incredible reporting of those 172 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 2: that are conservatives and those that were trying to grab 173 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: these documents, and hard work of the Washington Free Beacon, 174 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 2: for example, where they went in and did the hard 175 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 2: work to compare the words of the Harvard president against 176 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 2: those that she stole from. And yet still the media 177 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 2: is not really reporting on this, and they certainly didn't 178 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: go and actually investigate any of this. 179 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 3: Well, look, that's exactly right. And I have to say 180 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 3: there was no one who played a bigger role in 181 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 3: clouding Gay's resignation the Christopher Rufo. Christopher Rufo we've had 182 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 3: as a guest on Verdict. He has been doing an 183 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 3: extraordinary job for years exposing critical race theory. Christopher Rufo 184 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: as someone I talk about in considerable length in my 185 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 3: new book, Unwoke. But the job that Chris did exposing this, 186 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 3: pushing the plagiarism, giving specific examples, because the New York Times, 187 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 3: the Washington Post, they all wanted to whitewash it. And 188 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 3: even after she resigned, Listen to this. Listen to CNN 189 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 3: talking about her resignation and trying to give this word 190 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 3: salid convoluted justification for her plagiarism. 191 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 4: Give a listen these plagiarism allegations where Clauding Gay has 192 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 4: had to issue corrections, multiple corrections. Now we should note 193 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 4: that cluding Gay has not been. 194 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 5: Accused of stealing anyone's ideas in any of her writings. 195 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 5: She's been accused of sort of more like copying other 196 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 5: people's writings without attribution. So it's been more sloppy attribution 197 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 5: than stealing anyone's ideas. 198 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 4: But nonetheless, you put all that together, I mean, you 199 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 4: hear them. 200 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: They're saying allegations. It's more than fifty. They have the 201 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 2: words side by side in this reporting from her dissertation 202 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 2: and other documents are the things that have been published, 203 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 2: and let's go back to Harvard and hold them accountable here. 204 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 2: The Harvard Corporation, the school's governing body, said earlier this 205 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 2: month that it had quote initiated an independent review of Gay's 206 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 2: work in October and found quote no violation of Harvard's 207 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 2: standards for research misconduct. That investigation only focused on three papers, 208 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 2: and then what we understand is that was pretty much like, Yep, 209 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 2: we're good, We're going to move on. Harvard's official policy states, 210 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 2: by the way, that all allegations of faculty plagiarism must 211 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 2: be reviewed by the school's Research Integrity Officer, and that 212 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 2: if the allegations are the incredible, they must be sent 213 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 2: to a further probe. Any faculty member found guilty of 214 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: plagiarism can end up suspended, having their rank reduced, or 215 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 2: even terminated. Notably, the university said it considers whether the 216 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: misconduct was quote an is sight event or a or 217 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 2: part of a pattern while deciding the appropriate level of punishment. 218 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: So sintr they gave her a clean be of health. 219 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 2: Earlier this month. They didn't want to dig into this. 220 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 2: I think they probably knew what they were going to find. 221 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: That's why they only looked at three papers and said 222 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 2: they were going to update some of them. 223 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: They were covering this up for their president. 224 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly right, and it's worth noting, like what 225 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 3: CNN when we just played there, that's utterly gobbledygooks. CNN's 226 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 3: attempted justification is, well, she wasn't guilty of stealing other 227 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 3: people's ideas. She just took the words they wrote and 228 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 3: claimed they were her own. No, that's that's what plagiarism is. 229 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 3: And by the way, if as a student at Harvard 230 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 3: you do this once, you'll be expelled. That's how seriously 231 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 3: the institution takes it for a student. And in her instances. 232 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 3: All right, let me give you some examples. And like, 233 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 3: part of what took her down was the drip, drip, 234 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 3: drip every day. It was another allegation. It was another allegation, 235 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 3: was so screamingly obvious that it was a double standard 236 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 3: that Harvard's public reputation began to just be absurd. But 237 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 3: look on January first, just a couple of days ago, 238 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 3: an article appeared in the Washington Freebeacon entitled Harvard president 239 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 3: Claudine Gay hit with six new charges of plagiarism. That 240 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 3: was just a couple of days ago. And to give 241 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 3: you a sense of it, all right, here's the first 242 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 3: example they use. There's a professor named David Cannon who 243 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 3: wrote a book in nineteen ninety nine entitled Race, Redistricting 244 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 3: and Representation, The Unintended Consequences of Black Majority Districts. And 245 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 3: David Cannon wrote, as follows the VRA, which is the 246 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 3: Voting Rights Act. The VRA is often cited as one 247 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 3: of the most significant pieces of civil rights legislation passed 248 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 3: in our nation's history. Here's what Claude in Gay wrote. 249 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 3: The Voting Rights Act of nineteen sixty five is often 250 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 3: cited as one of the most significant pieces of civil 251 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 3: rights legislation passed in our nation's history. That's word for 252 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 3: word identical, other than she spelled out Voting Rights Act 253 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 3: instead of saying VRA. And she added of nineteen sixty five. 254 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 3: So congratulations, Claudine, you found the year it was passed. 255 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 3: That's those are the only new words in the quote. 256 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 3: All right, here's another section. This is from David Cannon. 257 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 3: The central parts of the VRA are Section two. In 258 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 3: Section five, the forum prohibits any state or political subdivision 259 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 3: from imposing a voting practice that will deny or abridge 260 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 3: the right of any citizen of the United States to 261 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 3: vote on account of race or color. The latter imposed 262 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 3: was imposed on only on covered jurisdictions with a history 263 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 3: of past discrimination, which must submit changes in any electoral 264 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 3: process or mechanism to the federal government for approval. Here's 265 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 3: what Claudine Gay wrote. The central part of the measures 266 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 3: are section two and section five. Section two reiterates the 267 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 3: guarantees of the fifteenth Amendment, prohibiting any state or political 268 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 3: subdivision from adopting voting practices that deny or abridge the 269 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 3: right of any citizen of the United States to voter 270 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 3: an account of race or color. Section five, imposed only 271 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 3: on cover jurisdictions with a history of discrimination, requires Justice 272 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:06,239 Speaker 3: Department preclearances of changes in any electoral process or mechanism. 273 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 3: The vast majority of those words are identical. All right, 274 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 3: let me give you another example. And this is an 275 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 3: example from her dissertation, and she lifted a sentence from 276 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 3: her thesis advisor from Gary King, who is describing a 277 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 3: mathematical bottle. Here's what Gary King wrote. The posterior distribution 278 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 3: of each of the precinct parameters within the bounds indicated 279 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 3: by its tomography line is derived by the slice. It 280 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 3: cuts out of the bivariate distribution of all lines. Here's 281 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 3: what Claudine Gay wrote. The posterior distribution of each of 282 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 3: the precinct parameters for the precinct is derived by the slice. 283 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 3: It's tomography line cuts out of this bivariate distribution. Now, 284 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 3: I got to admit that some of that is academic gobbledegook. 285 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 3: But the fact that she just copied it, and by 286 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 3: the way the way plagiarism works, she could copy that 287 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 3: if she put a quote mark in the fraudic quote 288 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 3: mark in the back and she cited Gary King who 289 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 3: wrote it. You're allowed to quote people. You're allowed to 290 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,479 Speaker 3: quote people, but the way you do it so you 291 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 3: do not steal their words is you put it in 292 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 3: quotation marks and you cite the person who you're quoting. 293 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 3: What she did over and over and over again is 294 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 3: just typed it in. And by the way, much of 295 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 3: this was done before word processors were used. That means 296 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 3: it was done on a typewriter. I get to say, 297 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 3: it is much harder to accidentally plagiarize, particularly in the 298 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 3: era of typewriters. You have some instances where say, a 299 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 3: researcher is taking notes and they cut and paste from 300 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 3: a cut and paste from a principal source, and they 301 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 3: put it in their notes and they forget that it 302 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 3: was cut and paste and they end up cutting and 303 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 3: pasting it into their work. That's bad, that's plagiarism. And 304 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 3: by the way, Harvard will expel you for doing that. 305 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 3: But it is more possible for someone to do so 306 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 3: inadvertently with word processors and cut and paste. Many of 307 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 3: these instances, Claudine Gay, she had to type on a 308 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 3: typewriter the words, presumably from the original source, and so 309 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 3: she knew exactly what she was doing. 310 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 2: When you talk about all that, let's go back to 311 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 2: the core point here that we were mentioning earlier, and 312 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: that is it is not what happened in front of Congress. 313 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 2: And I think it's kind that we remind people of 314 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 2: how egregious because there's three points. I want to make 315 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 2: sure that we're clear here on verdict for everybody listening. 316 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 2: No one has lost their job yet due to the testament. 317 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 2: I'm talking about actually being fired, being unemployed, not getting 318 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 2: a paycheck. 319 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 3: Clauding Gay is still employed, Liz McGill is still employed. 320 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 3: Their faculty members are continuing to draw their pay, and 321 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 3: in fact, the New York Post is reporting Claudine Gay 322 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 3: will still receive her roughly one million dollar a year salary. 323 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 3: She just moves to a different office at Harvard and 324 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 3: they keep paying her. And understand, I want us to 325 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 3: play our testimony again to remember what she said, but 326 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 3: understand this point, it's critically important. Clauding Gay has not apologized. 327 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 3: Harvard has not apologized. They have not changed their conduct. 328 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 3: Her resignation letter is defiant. Her resignation letter doesn't say 329 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,959 Speaker 3: she did anything wrong. Her resignation letter doesn't express remorse 330 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 3: for being an apologist for those calling for the genocide 331 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 3: of the Jewish people. It says nothing about creating an 332 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 3: atmosphere where Jewish students are afraid for their safety. It 333 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 3: says nothing about the repeated instances that have been pointed 334 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 3: out of plagiarism. Instead, it blames it all on racism. 335 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 3: And it is defiant, non apologetic, and understand Harvard Corporation likewise, 336 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 3: their statement again was not apologetic, didn't say she done 337 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 3: anything wrong. Instead, they blame the fact that she's resigning 338 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 3: again on racism. This is going to be their talking point, 339 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 3: and they're not taking accountability for their actions, and so 340 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 3: Harvard is not. That is a critical point to remember 341 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 3: if they're going to fix this problem. Her resignation doesn't 342 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 3: solve it. It's a step in the right direction, but 343 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 3: it's not a very good step when she's defiantly refusing 344 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 3: to acknowledge anything she did wrong in the university is as. 345 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 2: Well before we play her testimony, let's also talk about 346 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 2: the racial aspect of this. In clutting Gay's resignation letter, 347 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 2: she actually called out her critics as being racist. And 348 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 2: not only that, you then had Al Sharpton saying the 349 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 2: Harvard presence resignation quote as an attack on every black 350 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 2: woman in America. So you can be an anti semi 351 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 2: you can testify before Congress that calling for the extermination 352 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 2: genocide of Jews and not denouncing it and not saying 353 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 2: that that is a violation of the rules at Harvard. 354 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 2: That's totally fine. You can be that person. But if 355 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 2: you criticize clouting Gay, you are then a racist. And 356 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 2: she and her resignation letter, when she's resigning, she made 357 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 2: it very very clear she believes this is all because 358 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 2: she is a black woman. 359 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 3: Well, and let me quoting from a resignation letter. Let 360 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 3: me tell you the operative language quote. And by the way, 361 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 3: this is what one does to avoid plagiarism. I'm quoting her, 362 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 3: so I'm telling you it's a quotation. These are not 363 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 3: my words, these are hers quote. It has been distressing 364 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 3: to have doubt cast on my commitments to confronting hate 365 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 3: and upholding scholarly vigor, two bedrock values that are hunt 366 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 3: fundamental to who I am and frightening to be subjected 367 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 3: to personal attacks and threats fueled by racial animus. That's 368 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 3: what she's blaming this on, is that the only people 369 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 3: who had criticisms about her apparently are racist. Like if 370 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 3: you believe that Harvard's willingness to tolerate the harassment of 371 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 3: Jewish students, to tolerate anti semitism and in fact in 372 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 3: many ways to it, if you believe that's problematic, If 373 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 3: you believe, actually the president of Harvard should be a 374 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 3: scholar who complies with principles of academic integrity, that means, 375 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 3: in her worldview, you must be a racist. And I'll 376 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 3: tell you even worse than that. It's the end of 377 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:21,959 Speaker 3: her letter is there's a sentence that I found really galling. 378 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 3: Here's what she writes at the end of her letter, quote, 379 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 3: when my brief presidency is remembered, I hope it will 380 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 3: be seen as a moment of reawakening to the importance 381 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 3: of striving to find our common humanity and of not 382 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 3: allowing rancor and vituperation to undermine the vital process of education. Now, 383 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 3: let me ask you something. For the Jewish students at 384 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,959 Speaker 3: Harvard right now, who are facing harassment, who are fearing 385 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 3: for their safety. In what universe can she say that 386 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 3: her leadership, her brief presidency was a moment of reawakening 387 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 3: to the importance of striving to find our common humanity. 388 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 3: Mind you, she could not bring herself to unequivocally condemn 389 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 3: calling for the genocide of the Jewish people, and yet 390 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 3: she wants to be reawakening the common humanity. It is 391 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 3: utterly defiant and refusing to acknowledge what led to this resignation. 392 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and al Sharpton coming out, as you know, Barack Obama, 393 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 2: as you mentioned earlier, behind the scenes, was working hard 394 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: to protect her. Sharpton condemned Gay's critics as racists for 395 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 2: questioning the integrity of a black woman, a woman that 396 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 2: no pun intended in. 397 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: Black and white. 398 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 2: Her words show that she lifted other people's words and 399 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 2: used them as her own, saying this quote, present days 400 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 2: resignation is about more than a person or a single incident. 401 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 2: And he's right, it wasn't a single incidence. Now we've 402 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 2: been told more than fifty instance of plagiarism. 403 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: He goes on to say, this. 404 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: Is an attack on every black woman in this country 405 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 2: who puts a crack in the glass ceiling. Is it 406 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,719 Speaker 2: really that sender or is it just the fact that 407 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 2: she cheated? And even they at Harvard couldn't get over that. 408 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 3: Well, it was ultimately this was hurting Harvard. Harvard was 409 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 3: becoming a laughing stock when when and look, if you 410 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 3: look at at at her academic record, she had published 411 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 3: very little for a professor. You expect the president of 412 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 3: Harvard to be a serious scholar, to be a world 413 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 3: class scholar. And clotting Gay's entire career, what was built 414 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 3: pushing the ideology of DEI was she was an African 415 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 3: American studies professor. She had published relatively little. What she 416 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 3: did publish, there now serious questions about the academic integrity 417 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 3: of it. And and there is no person on planet 418 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 3: Earth what it stands for. 419 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 2: Again, just because there's maybe people that are new, yes, 420 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 2: don't exactly know what DEI stands for. 421 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: And this is something that the woke left is obsessed. 422 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 3: With, diversity, equity, and conclusion, and it is the premise 423 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 3: of their anti racism. It is the premise of critical 424 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 3: race theory. It is the premise of the cultural Marxist 425 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 3: on the left who advocate that we should affirmatively discriminate 426 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 3: and discriminate against so called oppressors and in favor of 427 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 3: so called victims. It's why the radical left is just 428 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 3: fine with Jewish people being demonized, being threatened, because to 429 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 3: the cultural Marxist Jewish people are oppressors. It's why cultural 430 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:44,239 Speaker 3: Marxists are okay with whatever Hamas terrorists do, because they 431 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,479 Speaker 3: are the victims. And that same reasoning. Look, I'll give 432 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 3: you an example Ibram X. Kendy, who's one of the 433 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 3: godfathers of critical race theory, who has pushed this so 434 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 3: called anti racism, which we've talked about at length in 435 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 3: this podcast. It has an Orwellian name because what he 436 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 3: means by anti racism is aggressively discriminating against the so 437 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 3: called oppressors on behalf of the so called victims. Here's 438 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 3: what he had to say about Claudine Gay resigning. 439 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: Quote. 440 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 3: Racist mobs won't stop until they topple all black people 441 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 3: from positions of power and influence who are not reinforcing 442 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 3: the structure of racism. What these racist mobs are doing 443 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 3: should be obvious to any reporter who cares about truth 444 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:35,479 Speaker 3: or justice as opposed to conflicts and clicks. That is 445 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 3: going to be their talking point. If you dare stand 446 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 3: against their radical ideology, you are by definition a racist. 447 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 3: And and and they that they still see nothing that 448 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 3: she did or said that was wrong. 449 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 2: I want to I want to play for everybody to 450 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 2: remind them of exactly where all this started and to 451 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 2: put it back into context of of the demise of 452 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 2: this Harvard president is not for what she said that 453 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 2: was anti Israel, anti Semitic. 454 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 1: It was the plagiarism. 455 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 2: And do not be duped by the mainstream media acting 456 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 2: like she's being held accountable for these words. These words 457 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 2: that she said before Congress to representive Stephanic are words 458 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 2: that Harvard was willing to stand by her no matter 459 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 2: what here is that? Flashback to December the fifth, and 460 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 2: what was said. 461 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 6: We're student calling for the mass murder of African Americans 462 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 6: is not protected free speech at Harvard? 463 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 7: Correct? 464 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 8: Our commitment? 465 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 7: It's a yes or no question? Is that corrected? 466 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 6: Is that okay for students to call for the mass 467 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 6: murder of African Americans at Harvard? 468 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 7: Is that protected free speech? 469 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 8: Our commitment to free school? 470 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 7: It's a yes or no question. Let me ask you this. 471 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 6: You are president of Harvard, so I assume you're familiar 472 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 6: with the term into fota. 473 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 7: Correct. 474 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 8: I've heard that term? 475 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 6: Yes, and you understand that the use of the term 476 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 6: into fada in the context of the Israeli Arab conflict 477 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 6: is indeed a call for violent arm resistance against the 478 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 6: state of Israel, including violence against civilians and the genocide 479 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 6: of Jews. 480 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 9: Are you aware of that that type of hateful speech 481 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 9: is personally abhorrent to me? 482 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 6: And there have been multiple marches at Harvard with students chanting, quote, 483 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 6: there is only one solution into fada, revolution and quote 484 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 6: globalize the intofada. 485 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 7: Is that correct? 486 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 9: I've heard that thoughtless, reckless and hateful language on our campus. 487 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 8: Yes. 488 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 6: So, based upon your testimony, you understand that this call 489 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 6: for intofada is to commit genocide against the Jewish people 490 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 6: in Israel and globally correct. 491 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 9: I will say again that type of hateful speech is 492 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 9: personally abhorrent to me. 493 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 6: Do you believe that type of hateful speech is contrary 494 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 6: to Harvard's code of conduct? 495 00:28:58,640 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 7: Or is it allowed at Harvard? 496 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 8: It is at odds with the values of Harvard. 497 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 7: Can you not. 498 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 6: Say that it is against the code of conduct at Harvard? 499 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 9: We embrace a commitment to free expression, even of views 500 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 9: that are objectionable, offensive, hateful. It's when that speech crosses 501 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 9: into conduct that violates our policies against bullying. 502 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 7: Does that speech not cost that barrier? 503 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 6: Does that speech not call for the genocide of Jews 504 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 6: and the elimination of Israel? When you testify that you 505 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 6: understand that is the definition of intofada? Is that speech 506 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 6: according to the code of conduct or not. 507 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 9: We embrace a commitment to free expression and give a 508 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 9: wide berth to free expression, even of views that are objectionable. 509 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 7: You and I both know that's not the case. 510 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 6: You are aware that Harvard ranked dead last when it 511 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 6: came to free speech. 512 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 7: Are you not aware of that report? 513 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 9: As I observed earlier, I reject that characterization. 514 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 7: It's the data shows it's true. 515 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 6: And isn't it true that Harvard previously rescinded multiple offers 516 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 6: of admissions for applicants and accepted freshmen for sharing offensive memes, 517 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 6: racist statements, sometimes as young as sixteen years old. Did 518 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 6: Harvard not rescind those offers of admission? 519 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 8: That long predates my time as present. 520 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 6: But you understand that Harvard made that decision to restin 521 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 6: those offers of admission. 522 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 8: I have no reason to contradict the facts as you 523 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 8: present them. 524 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 7: Correct because it's a fact. 525 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 6: You're also aware that a Winthrop House faculty dean was 526 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 6: let go over who he chose. 527 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 7: To legally represent. Correct, that was while you were dean. 528 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 8: That is an incorrect characterization. Avoid transfer. 529 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 7: What's the characterization. 530 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 9: I'm not going to get into details about a personnel matter. 531 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 6: Well, let me ask you this, Will admissions offers be 532 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 6: rescinded or any disciplinary action be taken against students or 533 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 6: applicants who say from the River to the Sea or 534 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 6: into five advocating for the murder of Jews? 535 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 9: As I've said, that type of hateful, reckless, offensive speech 536 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 9: is personally abhorrent to. 537 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 7: Me and today that no action will be taken. What 538 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 7: action will be taken? 539 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 9: When speech crosses into conduct that violates our policies, including 540 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 9: policies against fullying, harassment, or intimidation, We take action, and 541 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 9: we have robust disciplinary processes that allow us to hold 542 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 9: individuals accountable. 543 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 6: What action has been taken against students who are harassing 544 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 6: and calling for the genocide of Jews on Harvard's campus. 545 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 8: I can assure you we have robust. 546 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 7: What actions have been taken? 547 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 8: I'm not askingations underway? 548 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 6: I'm asking what actions have been taken again and students. 549 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,479 Speaker 9: Given students' rights to privacy and our obligations under FURPA, 550 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 9: I will not say more about any specific cases other 551 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 9: than to reiterate that process are ongoing. 552 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 7: Do you know what the number one hate crime in 553 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 7: America is? 554 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 9: I know that over the last couple of months there 555 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 9: has been an alarming rise of anti Semitism, which I 556 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 9: understand is the critical topic that we are here to discuss. 557 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 7: That's correct. 558 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 6: It is anti Jewish hate crimes, and Harvard ranks the 559 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 6: lowest when it comes to protecting Jewish students. 560 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 7: This is why I've called for your resignation. 561 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 6: And your testimony today, not being able to answer with 562 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 6: moral charity speaks volumes. 563 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: I yield back, Senator, you hear that. 564 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 2: And the part that I think galls me the most 565 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 2: is the fact that she's still employed. She's still going 566 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 2: to be paid about a million dollars a year. She's 567 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 2: just had a title change. That's it. 568 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 3: Well, and Harvard doesn't intend to change its conduct. They 569 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 3: certainly have made no expression that they intend to do differently. 570 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 3: That they were forced after over a billion dollars in 571 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 3: commitments to contributions, were called out, after academically their president 572 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 3: became a laughing stock, after you began to have students 573 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 3: who I would note had to anonymously call for her 574 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 3: to resign because they were afraid of retaliation, after you 575 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 3: had d editorials in the New York Times and the 576 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 3: Washington Post, bastions of the left, both calling not from 577 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 3: the papers but from people submitting op eds calling for 578 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 3: her resignation. After all of that, it became intolerable. And 579 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 3: yet they dug in, and they dug in, and they 580 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,959 Speaker 3: dug in, and and it's really quite ironic. You look 581 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 3: at her testimony, and she she is defending free speech, 582 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 3: and it would be one thing. If she was saying, 583 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 3: you know, Harvard's a place where anyone can say anything, 584 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 3: and we protect free speech for everyone. That's laughably false. 585 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 3: They protect free speech for anti semits and leftists and 586 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 3: at the same time, so there's an organization called Fire 587 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 3: and Fire is actively involved in fighting to defend free 588 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,280 Speaker 3: speech and examining censorship and suppression of free speech on campus. 589 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 3: And they do an elaborate survey every year at an analysis 590 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 3: of universities across the country. So Harvard is consistently ranked 591 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 3: one of the worst in the country. In twenty twenty, 592 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 3: Harvard ranked number forty six out of fifty five schools 593 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 3: in terms of protecting free speech. In twenty twenty one, 594 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 3: it ranked one hundred and thirty out of one hundred 595 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 3: and fifty four schools. In twenty twenty two, it ranked 596 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy out of two hundred and three schools, 597 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 3: and this past year, in two thousand and three, Harvard 598 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 3: was dead last, and out of a possible score from 599 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 3: zero to one hundred, Harvard's score was actually a negative 600 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 3: ten point six y nine, so it was dead last. 601 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 3: It was six standard deviations below the average and more 602 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 3: than two standard deviations below the second to last school 603 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 3: in the rankings, and the second to last school was 604 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 3: the University of Pennsylvania, penn And so when she is 605 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 3: is saying, well, anti Semites are allowed and apparently encouraged 606 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 3: because of free speech, that is a policy that is 607 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 3: applied very selectively, and Harvard's expressed no willingness, no desire 608 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 3: to correct that. And I think it is imperative that 609 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 3: this become a moment to try to address and try 610 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 3: to fix the profound ideological corruption. By the way, if 611 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 3: you look at the Harvard Corporation board, every single one 612 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 3: of its board members is an hardcore partisan, ideological democrat. 613 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 3: There is no one right of center allowed anywhere near 614 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,399 Speaker 3: that board. And you see in the policies why they 615 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 3: universally circled the wagons around Claudine Gay and it was 616 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 3: only when dragged, kicking and screaming that they allowed her 617 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 3: to resign. It is critically important to underscore that the 618 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 3: central issue at these schools is not free speech. It's 619 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 3: not what people are saying. It is harassment and abuse. 620 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 3: Jewish students are being subjected to threats of violence, to 621 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 3: active harassment, and no student has a right to harass 622 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 3: another student. You can't go up to an African American 623 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 3: student and harass that student and scream and holler and 624 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 3: threaten that student. Because a race. You can't go up 625 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,280 Speaker 3: to a white student, you can't go up to a woman. 626 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 3: You can't and shouldn't be able to go go up 627 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 3: to a Jewish student, or a Muslim student, or any student. 628 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 3: No student has the right to harass or threaten another student. 629 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 3: And Harvard and many of these schools are doing a 630 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 3: terrible job protecting the safety of their students. I have 631 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 3: a lot of good friends who have kids in college 632 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,360 Speaker 3: right now and who are Jewish, and almost to a person, 633 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 3: they're telling me their children are reporting, who are college 634 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 3: students now, that they were afraid for their safety. And 635 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 3: that's what Harvard and these administrators are refusing to recognize 636 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 3: and fix the next step. And I want to say 637 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 3: something three times, Mit MIT, MIT. There were three presidents 638 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 3: who testified Penn, Harvard, and MIT. All three of the 639 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 3: testimonies were abysmal. The president of MIT is Sally Cornbluth. 640 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 3: We have talked about on Verdict how at MIT Jewish 641 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 3: students were actively prevented from going to class because of 642 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 3: threats of violence from pro Haamas protesters who were threatening 643 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 3: to physically harm them, and then the MIT administration shamefully 644 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 3: said they would not discipline the students who were threatening 645 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 3: the Jewish students. Why because many of them were foreigners. 646 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 3: They were foreign students from foreign countries, and if they 647 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 3: were expelled from MIT, they'd lose their student visas, and 648 00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 3: so therefore MIT would not respond. In many ways, MIT's 649 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 3: behavior has been the most disgraceful of the three. And 650 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 3: I do want to give a shout out to Bill Ackman. 651 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 3: Bill Ackman has been incredibly important. Acman is a Harvard alum, 652 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 3: He's a billionaire, he's the founder of Pershing Square Capital Management, 653 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,760 Speaker 3: and he has been incredibly vocal calling out these schools, 654 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 3: putting pressure. He put enormous pressure on Penn, he put 655 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 3: enormous pressure on Harvard. And I will say, right after 656 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 3: clotting Gay resigned, Ackman posted on Twitter at to Sally 657 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 3: a call out to Sally Cornbluth that MIT should be next. 658 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 3: I believe she will resign. But MIT's view is exactly 659 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 3: what Harvard's view was. Before the plagiarism forced their hand. 660 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 3: They were willing to just bury their heads in their 661 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 3: sand and ignore the pattern of anti semetrism and harassment 662 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 3: of Jewish students, and so the exposing with sunlight what 663 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 3: they're doing is critical. And once that happens, we need 664 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 3: to make sure these institutions change. It's not enough for 665 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 3: them to put in a new leftist who continues the 666 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,760 Speaker 3: identical pattern as presidents. We need to change the culture 667 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 3: and attitude so that all students are protected on campus 668 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 3: rather than these positions being abused. 669 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 1: Amen to that. Don't forget. 670 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,320 Speaker 2: We did a show Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and a week 671 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 2: in recap on Saturdays. Hit that follow button, especially if 672 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 2: you're on Apple, as they've changed the way that you 673 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 2: can download in your algorithm. 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