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Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: What do we have pristal Indeed, we do some big

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Speaker 1: updates this morning on the big stories of the week. That,

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Speaker 1: of course, is the conflict in Ukraine, and also what

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Speaker 1: is going on with the truckers in Canada. Also, though,

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Speaker 1: in addition to those two big stories, some other things.

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Speaker 1: We're tracking some really interesting polling about just how Democrats

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Speaker 1: and what that means. Also, some really interesting comments from

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Speaker 1: tell you what it ultimately means for press freedom. Sager

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Speaker 1: is looking at the selection of Trevor Noah or the

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Speaker 1: which I'm really looking forward to. I can never watch

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Speaker 1: as well and what it really means and the media's

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Speaker 1: coverage of it. We've got Kyle condick on, who's always

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Speaker 1: start with some very very big and noteworthy developments breaking

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Speaker 1: just this morning in Ukraine. That's right, So over this morning,

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Speaker 1: we woke up this morning to find that the tone

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Speaker 1: So headline from even the New York Times saying tone

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Speaker 1: more Oomacy is quote far from exhausted. Russia's Foreign minister

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Speaker 1: stead and President Vladimir Zelenski of Ukraine said that the

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Speaker 1: the tone of the crisis and the reason the crisis

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Speaker 1: want assurances that Ukraine will never be a part of NATO. Now,

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Speaker 1: there are two actors in that scenario. There is NATO

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Speaker 1: rule out Ukraine membership within NATO and to not rescind

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Speaker 1: it's two thousand and eight invitation. Ukraine, however, has been

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Speaker 1: That being said, as of yesterday, things were still very

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Speaker 1: Whenever he said that he said a sarcastic comment in

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Speaker 1: for jokes there, mister president. Guys. No, no, I don't

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Speaker 1: blame him, I blame our stupid ass media that's just

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Speaker 1: looking for conflict. It is totally trigger ready to just

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Speaker 1: a tense situation. I don't want to oversell it here,

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Speaker 1: but you know that the White House, because we already

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Speaker 1: by revealing to the world their true false flag crisis

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Speaker 1: Kiev and President Selenski have been begging us and the

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Speaker 1: offering up the Russians what he wants. You can call

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Speaker 1: and this between Russia. We don't have any you know,

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Speaker 1: But once again CBS News just parroting talking points and

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Speaker 1: see they reported yesterday CBS has learned some Russian units

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Speaker 1: have left their assembly areas and begun to move into

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Speaker 1: attack positions. According to a US official, some long range

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Speaker 1: Once again, one US official, When you dig into it,

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Speaker 1: It's very clear here that Putin wanted to play a

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Speaker 1: some long negotiations. Remember the Minska Cords of twenty fourteen

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Speaker 1: some important polling that shows, according to new you Gov

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Speaker 1: most opposed to US conflict with Russia. Now, let me

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Speaker 1: still forty nine percent. And on the other side, only

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Speaker 1: though those numbers are even higher. Sixty percent of veterans

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Speaker 1: And so once again, you see that wasn't just a lark.

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Speaker 1: back in the twenty tens where the host was like,

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Speaker 1: many other countries have freedom, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: And I'm reminded in these moments that it's not really true.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you have here the Canadian Prime Minister, who

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Speaker 1: is our neighbor to the north, invoking the Emergency Act,

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Speaker 1: declaring full scale financial warfare on his own citizens, suspending

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Speaker 1: civil liberties. I mean that's crazy town. I don't even

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Speaker 1: know in the history of the United States, it's one

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Speaker 1: of the most rare things to ever have done that

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Speaker 1: I think maybe Lincoln in the Civil War. And this

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Speaker 1: is being done in order to stop truckers protesting in

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Speaker 1: the capital city and is supposedly free, liberal and open society. No,

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Speaker 1: that's not freedom. Like if you can seize the bank

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Speaker 1: accounts and just simply go after them with no recourse

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Speaker 1: in the Canadian judicial system, you don't live in a

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Speaker 1: free country. That's very clearly what's happening here. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I think that went through, because you know,

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Speaker 1: we saw some really aggressive actions take by the federal

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Speaker 1: government here during the George Floyd protests. We saw what

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Speaker 1: happened with the peaceful protesters in the square by the

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Speaker 1: White House. We saw the way that you know, federal

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Speaker 1: operatives were sent to like infiltrate the protest. Those people

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Speaker 1: could raise sixty million now we're in Portland. Sure they did.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, we should do a segment on

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Speaker 1: the fact that no one knows what's going on with

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Speaker 1: that money, and it is shady as hell and no

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Speaker 1: one basically wants to touch it, and they have a

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Speaker 1: constitutional right though, and more what I'm portant to is

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Speaker 1: our constitution I'm not saying is perfect, but we're a

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Speaker 1: lot more free than the Canadians, and I can tell

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Speaker 1: you that right now. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we just were about to cover for this

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Speaker 1: weekend how the CIA has some other like secret data

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Speaker 1: collection programs. So we don't overtly come out and say

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Speaker 1: we're going to suspend all civil liberties. But I also

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Speaker 1: wouldn't say that our civil liberties have exactly been no

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Speaker 1: debate for another day. Saying that it's not perfect, but

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Speaker 1: come and come and take it is a meme for

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Speaker 1: a reason. We do want to point out though. Listen,

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Speaker 1: these protests have had and they're working. There are a

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Speaker 1: number of Canadian provinces now that have rolled back some

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Speaker 1: of their pandemic protections. Let's take a listen to Ontario

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Speaker 1: also how he is on board and the actions he

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Speaker 1: is taking to further crackdown on protesters. And as I

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Speaker 1: mentioned before, he does support he is one of the

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Speaker 1: premiers who supports the enactment of the Emergencies Act. Let's

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Speaker 1: take a listen to Premiere doug Ford. Because of this progress,

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Speaker 1: we heard from our Chief Medical Officer of Health, doctor Moore,

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Speaker 1: two weeks ago and again last week, that we were

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Speaker 1: fast approaching a time when we could safely remove restrictions.

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Speaker 1: Over the weekend, I received recommendations from doctor Moore on

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Speaker 1: a plan to safely reopen our economy and remove Ontario's

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Speaker 1: vaccine passport system. I've accepted these recommendations and so today

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Speaker 1: I can announce that, beginning on February seventeenth, we will

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Speaker 1: remove all capacity limits except for sporting events, concert venues

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Speaker 1: and theaters, which will be capped at fifty percent. Those

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Speaker 1: who are still there to those of you who are

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Speaker 1: there with the sole objective of causing disruption and chaos,

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Speaker 1: There'll be serious consequences for this lawless activity. We will

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Speaker 1: continue to raise the consequences against those who are holding

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Speaker 1: millions of jobs and people hostage. A number of personal

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Speaker 1: vehicles were seized over the weekend and those seizures will continue.

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Speaker 1: Let me be clear, if you choose to use your

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Speaker 1: vehicle to create chaos, you will lose that vehicle and

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Speaker 1: your license plane. And say so that's the dual message there, Crystal,

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Speaker 1: which we did find very interesting, which is, on the

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Speaker 1: one hand, they're like, Okay, we hear you, no more

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Speaker 1: vaccine passports, which is kind of interesting. It's even happening

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Speaker 1: here in City of Washington, d c our mayor removing

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Speaker 1: the vaccine passport system after a month. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: destroying some businesses that refused to comply in the interim,

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Speaker 1: and cases are actually worse now. So seems like polling

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Speaker 1: has changed. But that's really what goes to show you

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Speaker 1: what's happening in Canada. They're trying to have the dual

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Speaker 1: approach of we hear you. Basically, I think what they're

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Speaker 1: trying to do is placate any of the domestic political

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Speaker 1: sympathy with the protesters and then try and remove the

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Speaker 1: protesters through extremely forcible means at the same time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it all worged on a dime. They started messing with

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Speaker 1: the US's capitalism. I mean, that really is the flip

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Speaker 1: right there. Before that they really were just kind of,

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Speaker 1: you know, there were some actions being taken, but mostly

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Speaker 1: they were just kind of letting them do their thing.

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Speaker 1: And then once auto plans started to have to shut down,

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Speaker 1: because the bridge traffic was closed. Biden makes his call.

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Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, you see both the right. Fine,

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Speaker 1: we're going to give on some of the pandemic. We're

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Speaker 1: going to throw you all a bone. We're going to

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Speaker 1: give in on some of these pandemic restrictions, which you

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Speaker 1: know that poses not like giving in on the pandemic restrictions.

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Speaker 1: In fact, that's something that business community really wants, so

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Speaker 1: it doesn't pose any sort of threat to you know, capital,

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Speaker 1: So that's easy enough to do. And then on the

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Speaker 1: other hand, we're going to crack down on these protesters.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen polling. I'd be curious to know what

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Speaker 1: the Canadian public thinks about the sort of more aggressive

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Speaker 1: tactics towards protesters. I wouldn't be surprised if there's fairly

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Speaker 1: fairly decent support if I had to get to get

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Speaker 1: this thing under control and you know, get them off

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Speaker 1: the streets and arrest them and do whatever we've seen

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Speaker 1: that to get them out of there. We've seen that

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Speaker 1: in Europe, Crystal and I would put the Canadians much

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Speaker 1: more analogous to like the Europeans. They actually largely support

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Speaker 1: a lot of these match sadly. I mean, but look,

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Speaker 1: it's their country, you know, you could do whatever you want.

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Speaker 1: But from what I can see in Germany and in

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Speaker 1: vast majority of the public seems to either be okay

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Speaker 1: or support these types of aggressive measures. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: look the West, you know, we have some similarities, but

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Speaker 1: to the north, I don't know. I would guess based

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Speaker 1: upon public polling that they probably support it. You know,

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Speaker 1: even vaccine passports all that were very broadly popular there. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: that's right. I mean, I think again zooming out for

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Speaker 1: the relevance for the American public, I think the actions

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Speaker 1: of GoFundMe and the awareness of the ability of these

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Speaker 1: tech platforms to just pick and choose which causes the support.

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Speaker 1: That's you know, obviously a problem that would afflict us

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Speaker 1: as well. So that's incredibly significant. The fact that there

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Speaker 1: was global spread to other countries of these type of protests.

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Speaker 1: And then something I'm gonna be talking about in my

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Speaker 1: monologue is the left could learn something from the tactics

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Speaker 1: that were employed, but also kind of the limits of

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Speaker 1: what this protest was ultimately all about and why it

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Speaker 1: was so easy for US officials to ultimately cave to

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Speaker 1: it in some respects and basically give them what they want.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's right, very interesting story that we

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Speaker 1: will continue to follow and see what happens next. All right,

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Speaker 1: Another one that we wanted to show you guys, here

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Speaker 1: is some pretty revealing polling about just how everybody is

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Speaker 1: feeling about twenty twenty four and the potential Biden Trump rematch.

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Speaker 1: Go and put this tweet up on the screen. New

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Speaker 1: polling here that shows is from CNN. So among Democrats

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Speaker 1: and Democratic leaning voters, they asked whether they wanted the

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Speaker 1: presidential nominee to be Joe Biden or to be someone else,

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Speaker 1: forty five percent said Joe Biden, the incumbent president and

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Speaker 1: leader of the Democratic Party, and a majority fifty one

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Speaker 1: percent won a different candidate. Okay, extraordinary numbers for the

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Speaker 1: dude who was the sitting Democratic president of the United

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Speaker 1: States and who has said he fully intends to run again.

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Speaker 1: The Republican side is not that much better of a

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Speaker 1: picture actually for Donald Trump. Granted he's not currently the president,

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Speaker 1: so it is a little bit of an apples and

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Speaker 1: oranges comparison, but among Republicans and among Republican lean voters,

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Speaker 1: bear majority. Fifty percent say they want Trump as the

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Speaker 1: So basically a fifty to fifty split for Trump. On

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Speaker 1: of an edge towards we want another person and sager

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Speaker 1: when you dig into these numbers, A big part of

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Speaker 1: the problem for Biden is number one, people are worried

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Speaker 1: that he can't be re elected. Thirty five percent say

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Speaker 1: they doubt Biden's ability to win, and the rest offered

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Speaker 1: up different reasons for wanting to switch up the ticket.

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Speaker 1: The most common nineteen percent, were concerns about Biden's age.

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Speaker 1: He's going to be eighty two by November of twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four. On the Republican side, only nineteen percent had

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Speaker 1: a specific alternative to Trump in mind, while twenty nine

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Speaker 1: percent said just anyone other than Trump. But among those

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Speaker 1: who had a specific alternative to Trump in mind, one

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Speaker 1: name stood out. Twenty one percent of those voters mentioned

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Speaker 1: Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, with no other potential candidate getting

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Speaker 1: more than one percent. So that also gives you some

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Speaker 1: insight into why Trump has gone to war with sandis

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Speaker 1: because he cannot take even a small fraction of the

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Speaker 1: Republican base actively preferring DeSantis to him. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: that's broadly the situation. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: all those Republicans will still vote for Trump. On the

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Speaker 1: Democratic side, I actually don't know, because this is the

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Speaker 1: fascinating part too. With Biden, he doesn't have strong support

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Speaker 1: amongst the Democratic base. Now, the reason why I have

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Speaker 1: no I have complete certainty that Trump would win the

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Speaker 1: nomination is because those fifty percent are the hardcore Republicans

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Speaker 1: who support him and would come and crawl over broken

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Speaker 1: glass to vote for him in a primary. Does that

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Speaker 1: exist for Joe Biden in the Democratic base. See, that's

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Speaker 1: the difference, which is that he has no strong affinity

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Speaker 1: within the Democratic base. Everyone's kind of like, yeah, sure, Joe, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean they'll vote for him. Maybe, we'll see how

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Speaker 1: it shakes out, how's the weather that day, all those

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Speaker 1: other different things. With Trump, that's not what exists. So

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Speaker 1: even though the Trump number is fifty percent, the other

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Speaker 1: fifty are people who probably hold him in a relative esteem,

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Speaker 1: don't like some of the stuff, but still would vote

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Speaker 1: for him because they don't like the left. With Biden,

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Speaker 1: it really is up in the air. It's interesting while

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Speaker 1: you were talking, I actually pulled the numbers for how

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Speaker 1: Biden compares with past presidents. Yeah, this is just really pathetic.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Biden is currently tied with Donald Trump on

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Speaker 1: this exact day and his presidency for his disapproval. But

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Speaker 1: Trump had what advantage. Well, he has the fact that

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Speaker 1: the Republican base haded what ninety five percent approval rate,

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Speaker 1: They were all in for him, lot that they runted

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Speaker 1: him for there, and the Democrats are like, sure, Barack Obama,

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Speaker 1: he's running like five points behind him. Obviously, George W.

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Speaker 1: Bush was around the nine to eleven part of his

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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, he's running more than fourteen points behind him.

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Speaker 1: George H. W. Bush running I mean, you know, thirty

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Speaker 1: forty points behind him, obviously, you know, the farther you

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Speaker 1: go back in history, we weren't as polarized. But just

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Speaker 1: looking at the past two presidents, it's a pretty good

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Speaker 1: benchmark to say that Biden is doing terribly in terms

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Speaker 1: of his approval with the American people. But where he's

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Speaker 1: actually more brutal is really on the issues, because, as

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Speaker 1: we've pointed to, most Americans feel Biden is not focused

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Speaker 1: on the issues that matter to them. Build back better, wasted.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what A year of eight months

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Speaker 1: or something of national attention and nobody cared about what

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Speaker 1: was in it. A because it was whittled down. B

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Speaker 1: Because nobody really explained what it was going to do

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Speaker 1: about inflation, high gas prices, and the supply chain crist

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Speaker 1: and to this day, the President I don't know what

646
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Speaker 1: he does. I mean you and I do this for

647
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Speaker 1: a living. We monitor him very closely. He's more focused

648
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Speaker 1: on ratcheting up the tensions in Ukraine than on gas.

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Speaker 1: I mean, gas is out of control, expensive, It's fifty

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Speaker 1: percent of all inflation. What is the president doing? No plan?

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Speaker 1: There's nobody being summoned. You know. The supply chain is

652
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: the same thing. You know, I was just looking. You

653
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: know what the domestic cost of shipping a couch from

654
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Speaker 1: China two years ago is fifty dollars today is five hundred,

655
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Speaker 1: I mean four hundred and fifty dollars. They're being passed

656
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: directly to you and me. Anytime we buy furniture, that's

657
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Speaker 1: just furniture. Same with the car. I just read a piece.

658
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Speaker 1: Eighty three percent of cars in the United States are

659
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Speaker 1: selling above MSRP. Just in twenty nineteen it was two percent.

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Speaker 1: Eighty three percent. That's crazy town. The dealers have all

661
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Speaker 1: the power. Now, that's how crazy this system is. You know.

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Speaker 1: For the comparison to Obama, back in March of twenty ten,

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Speaker 1: so analogous time period, eight in ten, eighty percent of

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Speaker 1: Democrats and Democratic leaning voters wanted Obama to be the

665
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 1: comedy again, right eight he loves Obama, Yeah, and Biden's

666
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: at forty five. I mean, so it does show you.

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Speaker 1: On the economic piece, I was thinking about a friend

668
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: texting me this morning. They were like, what do you

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Speaker 1: even think Biden's going to talk about with regards to

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00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: the economy in the stage? Oh, yeah, that's a great question,

671
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: no idea. I mean, probably what he's going to do

672
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 1: is he'll try to like pump up the infrastructure bill

673
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: like it was some big deal when it wasn't an

674
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: American recovery plan, all of the provisions of which have

675
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: already effectively all expired and maybe have some wish list

676
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: of things that he has no intention of actually passing.

677
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Speaker 1: But who could say, who even knows what his real

678
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: economic agenda or what his priorities are. That was the

679
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: other part of the problem with the Build Back Better

680
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: Bell is he never weighed in of like, these are

681
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: my red lines, this is my priority, Here's how we're

682
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: going to get it done. There are a lot of

683
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Speaker 1: issues there, but you know, it us open up the

684
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Speaker 1: possibility for if he does run again, a legitimate primary

685
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: challenge threat. I mean, this is before you even have

686
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Speaker 1: anyone really directly on the Democratic side out there making

687
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Speaker 1: the case against this guy. And it's already only at

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Speaker 1: forty five percent. And as you say, that's not even

689
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Speaker 1: like a hard forty five percent, that's a super soft

690
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Speaker 1: forty five percent that could be very persuadable. So if

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Speaker 1: you're an incumbent president looking at these numbers, this is

692
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: total disaster because now not only do you have to

693
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Speaker 1: worry about, all right, is it going to be Trump?

694
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Speaker 1: How am I going to get through the general election,

695
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Speaker 1: but you got to worry that you are going to

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Speaker 1: face a real primary challenge that is actually a true

697
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Speaker 1: threat to you as an incumbent sitting president. That is

698
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: just an astonishing state of affairs. So that's why these

699
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Speaker 1: numbers are so significant and why we wanted to highlight them,

700
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Speaker 1: because it's an extraordinary circumstance and it creates massive vulnerabilities

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Speaker 1: for Biden, who now has to shore up both sides

702
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: of the political spectrum in order to have any shot

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Speaker 1: at winning the presidency once again. And of course, you know,

704
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Speaker 1: if he's too old, decides not to run, whatever, and

705
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Speaker 1: they try to line up behind Kamala, her numbers would

706
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: be even way worse than this. So if you're the

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Speaker 1: democratic establishment right now looking at you know, we got

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Speaker 1: to maintain our grip on power, You've got to feel

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00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 1: a little uneasy about what this landscape looks like. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, not just uneasy. They're completely dead. I

711
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Speaker 1: don't see how they can pull themselves out of this one.

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00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: And just to give you guys an idea in terms

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Speaker 1: of history, he's currently six poets less popular than Jimmy

714
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Speaker 1: Carter at the same point in his presidency. That takes

715
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Speaker 1: real skill. Congratulations, mister president. All right, we wanted to

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Speaker 1: bring you some noteworthy comments from AOC in a new

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Speaker 1: interview with The New Yorker. So there were a bunch

718
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Speaker 1: of little pieces of this that got pulled down. There

719
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: was one part about the about cancel culture that people

720
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: were talking about, or she got asked about it, and

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00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: she's sort of you know, I didn't think her comments

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Speaker 1: were all that interesting. She was basically like, look, we

723
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Speaker 1: only all ever talk about what she described as podcast bros.

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Speaker 1: But we don't talk about Mark Lamont Hill, who got

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Speaker 1: canceled for his views on Palestine. Fair enough, that's actually

726
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Speaker 1: by the way, well at least if you point to us.

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Speaker 1: But when we talk about all this stuff at about

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Speaker 1: I feel like those comments don't really illuminate what she

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00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: actually thinks about it, because she doesn't go on to

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Speaker 1: say and I think this is a problem, like we

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Speaker 1: need to pay attention to across the board. She's just

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Speaker 1: kind of saying like, yeah, there's hypocrisy. All right, Yeah

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Speaker 1: there's hypocrisy. We know that. But what I found more noteworthy,

734
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Speaker 1: the first piece that I found really interesting, which I

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00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: didn't see anyone actually comment on, was she got asked

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Speaker 1: three times about whether she thought Pelosi in leadership was

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Speaker 1: a problem. The first time she gets asked it was

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Speaker 1: sort of this like generalize, like, well, the leadership is older,

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Speaker 1: what do you think? And so in that context you

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Speaker 1: could pretty easily dodge the question because it was about

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Speaker 1: Pelosi and Clive and all the Hoyer and all the

742
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: rest of them. But then they follow up, let's go

743
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Speaker 1: ahead and throw this up on the screen, and they

744
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: ask is it healthy directly or not for the Democratic

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00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: Party for Nancy Pelosi to remain in place as the speaker,

746
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Speaker 1: as leader of the Democratic Caucus in the House, And

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00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: she again commersed, it's really all about a specific moment

748
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: that we're in. We're in such a delicate moment of

749
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: the day to day, particularly with the threats to our democracy.

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Speaker 1: I believe at the end of the day there's going

751
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: to be a generational change on our leadership. That's just

752
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: a simple fact. Now, when that particular moment happens, I

753
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: think it's a larger question of conditions and circumstance. Then

754
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: they follow up again and say, you don't want to

755
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: get near this one, do you good? Good interview, and

756
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: she says, it's a tough question. It's not even just

757
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: a question of the speaker, it's a question of our caucus. Caucus.

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Speaker 1: I wish the Democratic Party had more stones. I wish

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00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: our party was capable of truly supporting bold leadership that

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Speaker 1: can address root causes. So a lot of enough to

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00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: generally say we should do better as a party. But

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Speaker 1: when asked three times in a row about Pelosi specifically

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Speaker 1: and her leadership, she doesn't say a word, not a

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00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: word of criticism. And you just have to contrast this

765
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: with how she started in the House protesting outside of

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00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: the Speaker's office. And what's really remarkable is that that

767
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: protest that she did right before she was even sworn

768
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: in was dramatically successful. She forced the issue of the

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Speaker 1: Green New Deal. At that point, she protests with the

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00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: Sunrise Movement kids. She forced the issue of Green New

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00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: Deal on the table. She forced she got a co

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Speaker 1: sponsor from the Senate Ed Markey, They actually offered legislation,

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00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: They put the Green New Deal on the map. She

774
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 1: was using at that point. What is her actual power

775
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: and strength, which is she has this gigantic platform through

776
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: social media, able to command a lot of attention and

777
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 1: a lot of press coverage. And when she was taking

778
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: that tactic it was really effective. Now, this trying to

779
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: play the inside game, and like work with the levers

780
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: of power the way everybody else is in the back room.

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00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: It's going to get you nowhere. And we saw that

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00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: Sager when I don't want to relitigate force the vote,

783
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: but when the force of vote thing was a live issue,

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00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: and AOC, to her credit, actually responded to those who

785
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: were pushing, hey, you know, take some harder ball tactics here,

786
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: threatened Pelosi's leadership, her speakership to actually get some things

787
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: done or at least get a vote put on the floor.

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00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 1: And she said, listen, guys, I'm paraphrasing. Listen, guys, we're

789
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 1: working on things here in the back room. Not everything

790
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: is public. You may not understand all that we're doing.

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Speaker 1: For example, she suggested that she was working on getting

792
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: put on some committees that may be significant, and then

793
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: she didn't even get on the committee that she wanted.

794
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: So clearly the backroom deal direction hasn't worked. And yet

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00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: she's been completely defaul when it comes to posing any

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00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: sort of real threat to democratic leadership. They don't care

797
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: if you say these generalized things I wish are the

798
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: party had more stones. They don't care. It's when it

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00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: gets specific and direct and there's a tangible threat attached

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00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: that it actually becomes an issue for them. To be honest,

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00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: I think I figured it out. I think AOC has

802
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: succumbed to the same thing that I see in a

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00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: lot of people who I used to have faith in

804
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: on the right. They're just culture warriors. And the way

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00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: I found this out put this next one up there

806
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: on the screen. AOC says there is a very real

807
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: risk the US will no longer be a democracy in

808
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: ten years, warning of a return to Jim Crow. Look,

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Speaker 1: that's genuinely one of the dumbest historical comparisons that you

810
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 1: can think of, especially when you're comparing like a Texas

811
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: abortion law to Jim Crow. But the truth is to

812
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: me is I think her brain has been so rotted

813
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: by Fox News and other quote unquote attacks she is

814
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: unable to get out of the posture of seeing Republicans

815
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: and anybody even sympathetic to that point of view as

816
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: an existential threat to her her way of life. Like

817
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: her beliefs such that she's comfortable with the democratic establishment.

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00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: She's one of those people who's like I am uncomfortable

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00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: with Nancy Pelosi. But the real enemy is the Republican

820
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: Party and Actually, I see this quite a bit with

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00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,959
Speaker 1: a lot of right wingers too, which is they'll say

822
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: things like, look, I get it, Mitch McConnell, he's pro corporate.

823
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: This isn't this, but he had our back on abortion,

824
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: or he had our back on this, So what are

825
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: you gonna do? It is what it is. Can't stand Mitch,

826
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: but we have to make peace. I see the same

827
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: thing here. They're just culture warriors. I think she's, frankly,

828
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: you know, just a very unsophisticated, very like activist college thinker.

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00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: She doesn't speak like a normal human being, which is

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00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: another problem. And I actually believe her. I think in

831
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: her mind she truly does believe that some sort of

832
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: Jim Crow thing is coming. And part of the reason

833
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: why that's so dangerous is if you believe that, then

834
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: it makes sense what she's doing, right, It makes total sense.

835
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Speaker 1: And she's not gonna take on Pelosi. She's like, can't,

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Speaker 1: I can't. We can't show too much consternation in the

837
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: Democratic ranks because they'll give the Republicans in opening his

838
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: wolves at the door. If you believe that that's the

839
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: butt Trump defense of why she went with Biden. If

840
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: you believe that which is ludicrous. If you really do

841
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: you know, honestly, you should seek counseling. But if you

842
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 1: believe that, then are all of re moves makes sense.

843
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: She's just an ordinary run of the mill DSA leftists

844
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: from Brown University. And that's a sad thing and a

845
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: pill to swallow for a lot of people who may

846
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: have believed in her. But you know, I, frankly I

847
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: have seen it from the beginning. But I just think that, look,

848
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: you drink this type of kool aid, This's gonna lead

849
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: to This is why you and I spent a lot

850
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: of time on the show telling you you drink this

851
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: culture war nonsense. It ain't gonna get you anywhere in

852
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: terms of what you really believe. Well, it's also what

853
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: you're like. This kind of language will get her a

854
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: lot of clout in New York. Time's gonna love this, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people will love this, you know,

856
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Speaker 1: And you get to sort of sound like you're being

857
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: edgy and radical, You're not MLK, but shut up. Well,

858
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: and here's the thing is, like, you know, I was

859
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: thinking about this a lot actually in the context of

860
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: we had Adolf read On, who just has a new

861
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: book out writing about what was Jim Crow really like

862
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: as someone who grew up in the Jim Crow South,

863
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: What did this look like? What did it feel like?

864
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: And he part of why he wrote that book, according

865
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: to what he told us, is so that people understood

866
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: the reality of what we're facing today and that these

867
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: comparisons to Jim Crow when you have like a voting

868
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: law in Georgia or whatever, that this is just a

869
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: historical nonsense. I mean, and that's not to say that,

870
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: you know, I don't care about those laws, but also

871
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: I think it doesn't help to illuminate what the real

872
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: problems facing the country are and what the real divides are.

873
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: The danger is not that we go back to looking

874
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: like Jim Crow America. And that's not to say that

875
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: there isn't a lot of you know, racism and bigotry,

876
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: all those things are out there. But the reality is

877
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: the leadership class of the Democratic Party, of the Republican Party,

878
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: of Corporate America, of Wall Street. It doesn't threaten them

879
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,959
Speaker 1: in the least to change the like gender and diversity

880
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: ratios of their leadership. Exactly what threatens them is to

881
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: change the overall distribution of resources and the share of

882
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: the population that has power. So the other piece that's

883
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: that's dangerous and regressive ultimately about this sort of simplistic

884
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: language of we're going back to Jim Crow is that

885
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: it also feeds into this narrative that, you know, America's

886
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: original sin was slavery, and it's built on racism, and

887
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: it's this immutable thing that can never be dealt with

888
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: and never be changed. This is the sixteen nineteen years.

889
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: And then it operates on this individual level rather than

890
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: on an institutional level. And so if that's your analysis,

891
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: then you're basically subjected to like nihilism. It leads you

892
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: in the direction of police state tactics to suppress the

893
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: people that have the bad views who are the you know,

894
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: the white nationalists who are going to reinstitute the new

895
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: Jim Crow. And it makes any kind of potential collective

896
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: politics of solidarity, it makes it impossible. So the real

897
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 1: danger to me isn't that any that people in general

898
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 1: or that specifically black and brown people won't be able

899
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: to vote. The danger is that that vote won't mean

900
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: a goddamn thing. And that's more of the place that

901
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: we are in right now, where people vote in politicians,

902
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: they vote for agendas, they vote for policies, and it

903
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I mean, look at what happened in California.

904
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: That's the danger with single payer. People voted in California

905
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: for single payer healthcare. They voted in politicians who told

906
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 1: them they were going to pass single payer health care,

907
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: and their vote didn't mean a goddamn thing because when

908
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 1: it came down to it, Gavin Newsom and some progressives

909
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: and Democratic Party were more interested in placating the health

910
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,919
Speaker 1: insurers who had given them campaign cash than they were

911
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: being responsive to those votes. So that's why if you're

912
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: just focused on things like voting rights, you're missing the

913
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,919
Speaker 1: true threats to our democracy that we are experiencing right now.

914
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: So I don't disagree with her comments of we may

915
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: not have a democracy in ten years. I just completely

916
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 1: disagree with her analysis of what that looks like, how

917
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: we get there, and what the real threats are. Because

918
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: if she recognized the real threats, to go back to

919
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: the Pelosi comments, she'd have no qualms calling out Nancy Pelosio.

920
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: We all have to participate in the free market, Speaker

921
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: of the House. So that's I think where her thinking

922
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: and the thinking of a lot of liberals has now

923
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: gone astretch, and it's very damaging. It's very well said,

924
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: and I always point to that, you know, of the

925
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: sixteen nine. I've been a critic for way before it

926
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: was cool on the sixteen nineteen, and it's exactly for

927
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: that reason. And this is all the thing I always

928
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 1: point to these liberals. Your historical analogy is wrong. You're

929
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: not living in the nineteen twenties, Jim Crow. We're living

930
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: in the eighteen nineties Gilded Age, and you need to

931
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: reform everything you think about the way that power and

932
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: structure and needs to be taken on, and the way

933
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: it eventually was under the Teddy Roosevelt and the progressive

934
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: movement to Woodrow Wilson and all of that. Those were

935
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,959
Speaker 1: real Titanic fights that happened right here that we actually won.

936
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: But you know, race is a far more Race is

937
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: a far more convenient narrative in order to buy in

938
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: politically salient obviously emotionally as well. That has been co

939
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: opted by the elite. Because the more you talk about that,

940
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: the way less you're going to talk about trust, bust

941
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: and wealth and so many And that's the key point.

942
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: If you're on the right, or if you're on the

943
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: left and you subscribe to this US versus Them racial politics,

944
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: then what you are guaranteeing is that a small sliver

945
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: of the country will continue to You're a guaranteed by bezos.

946
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: You are helping achieve the divide that they want to achieve.

947
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: So that's why we wanted to talk about this. Comments

948
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: go let's go ahead and move on to this New

949
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: York Times case. We watched this with a lot of

950
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: great interests because as far reaching implications in terms of

951
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: the press and probably contrary to where most of you

952
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: will stand. We'll show you where we come out on

953
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: this after we deliver the fact. Let's put this up

954
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: there on the screen, which is that a judge is

955
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: dismissing Sarah Palin's libel case against the New York Times.

956
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 1: This was actually a very significant case because it actually

957
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: went to trial, so much so that the jury continues

958
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: to be in deliberations, and it went through the discovery

959
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: process and more. Now it all comes down to a

960
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: twenty and seventeen editorial that ran in the New York

961
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: Times editorial page called a Mayor Erica's lethal Politics. It

962
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: was written by the editorial page Now that's very important

963
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: because the editorial page speaks as the voice of the

964
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 1: New York Times. So she's not suing a columnist, she's

965
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: suing the New York Times itself. Inside that editorial, they

966
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 1: drew a connection between what was at the time a

967
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: link on Sarah Palin's website which showed a map of

968
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: different congressional districts with a bullseye on top of them.

969
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: They linked that to the shooting on Congresswoman Gabby Giffords

970
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: in twenty and eleven. Now, it later came out that

971
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: the shooting had nothing to do with politics. It was

972
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: just a complete crank. Well, he was deeply mentally ill,

973
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: you know, there were all kinds of stuff that were

974
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: going on there. But anyway, it did have nothing to

975
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: do with Sarah Palin's map. And actually that was all

976
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: litigated at the time in twenty eleven. But then in

977
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, there was an editorial on America's lethal politics,

978
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,959
Speaker 1: and in that editorial they actually cited the Palin map

979
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 1: as evidence for why that Gabby Gifford shooting took place.

980
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: Clearly wrong, clearly defamatory in my opinion, But was it

981
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: lible and the reason why is because the Palan would

982
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: have to prove that The New York Times not only

983
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: messed up in what they did, which they did and

984
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: they put a correction down at the article, she would

985
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: have to prove that they acted with actual malice the

986
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: actual malice standard. And the judge, during the jury, while

987
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: the jury is deliberating, ruled that the Palin team did

988
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: not rule the actual malice standard, based upon evidence that

989
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: James Bennett, who was the editorial director there, had testified

990
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: within court that they did seek to try and change it,

991
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: aka correct it. So the judge by dismissing the case

992
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: but allowing jury deliberations to continue, it's a bit complicated.

993
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: He's basically saying, I, as a judge, find on the

994
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: merrits that this doesn't hold a scrutiny. But because this

995
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: ultimately went to the jury, and this I know will

996
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: go to the Court of appeal, I'm going to allow

997
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: the jury to find their deliberations because that will matter

998
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: in the appeals court. So it's a little bit complicated now.

999
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: In terms of how I feel about it, I hate

1000
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 1: to say it, I don't like The New York Times,

1001
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 1: but I like press freedom a whole lot more which

1002
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: is at the end of the day, we have the

1003
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: strongest rules to protect journalists and press institutions, including us

1004
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: here on breaking points, because of our first Amendment in

1005
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: our Constitution that guarantees that the benefit of the doubt

1006
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: always goes to the media. And the reason why is

1007
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: because otherwise it would lead to not only frivolous lawsuits,

1008
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: but actions like during the Pentagon Papers and more to

1009
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: try and shut down publication of sensitive documents. That's why

1010
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: we've talken so much about why the standard on Julian A.

1011
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: Sang matters so much. And anybody who knows anything about

1012
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: press freedom knows how dangerous it is that prosecution to

1013
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: what it actually means to publish classified information. And here

1014
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: on this one, I got to say it. I'm sorry,

1015
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,240
Speaker 1: Sarah Palin. I think what they said about you was awful.

1016
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: It was completely wrong, but they correct did it, and

1017
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there. Oh, but people can

1018
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: lie with no consequences. Here's a consequence. Don't read them anymore.

1019
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: That's the consequence. Don't trust them. You shouldn't, and we'll

1020
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: tell you that here all day long. But from a

1021
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 1: press freedom perspective, Crystal, this is undoubtedly the best move,

1022
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: and the reason why being that while the New York

1023
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: Times in the editorial page has certainly wrought a lot

1024
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: of damage and they were dead wrong here, the standard

1025
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: has to be set. They have to be able to

1026
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: prove that it had actual malice in order to libel

1027
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: your character. Even if you do publish something which is

1028
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: completely wrong, the benefit of the doubt matters to the

1029
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 1: actual freedom of the press, so that we can expose

1030
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: the people in power. And the standard is higher when

1031
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: you're talking about a public even more so than a

1032
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,439
Speaker 1: public figure likes like Sarah Palin. And part of the

1033
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: part of why these rules and protections for journalists are

1034
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: important is because even the best journalists are going to

1035
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: screw them. That's exactly right. Sometimes exactly that is just

1036
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: the nature of the beast. And we try to be

1037
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: as careful and precise here as we possibly can be,

1038
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 1: but we're going to screw some things up time right

1039
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: way seconds about it. We you know, correct, when we

1040
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: get things wrong. We try to be as meticulous as

1041
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: we can, but you can't do the job in constant

1042
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: fear that if you slip up or get something a

1043
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: little bit wrong or even a lot wrong, that you're

1044
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: going to be actually criminalized that that's going to cost

1045
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: you the job or cost the paper its ability to

1046
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: publish it. Just journalism wouldn't work if you had that

1047
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: kind of a stringent standard. This was one of the

1048
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,919
Speaker 1: worst things that Trump would float, because he would float

1049
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: all the time, like changing the libel laws. It's an

1050
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: absolutely terrible idea. I will say, though, I did some

1051
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: digging here, and there were some interesting things that were

1052
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: revealed through this trial that gave some insights into the

1053
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: New York Times process, in particular how this particular how

1054
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: this editorial came to be, and how it came to

1055
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: have this extraordinarily inflammatory and ultimately completely wrong language about

1056
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: Sarah Palin. And it's basically a story of sort of

1057
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: like you know, like lazy office workers. They had this

1058
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: piece they wanted to write about, like gun control, and

1059
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: that didn't feel punchy enough, so they wanted to add

1060
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: this angle of inflammatory political rhetoric leading to violence. And

1061
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: the initial draft didn't do a really great job making

1062
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: that case, because it's a hard case to make. How

1063
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: do you draw the direct line between this inflammatory rhetoric

1064
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: and this violent action. So James Bennett steps in and says,

1065
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: all right, let me rework this draft, and he inserts

1066
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: in this language ultimately totally incorrect language that has the

1067
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, the Sarah Palin, the famous targets over the

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Speaker 1: district and makes a direct connection to the shooting of

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Speaker 1: Gabby Gifferts in an effort to make it sexier and

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Speaker 1: clickier and punchier. And so they publish this piece and

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Speaker 1: actually Ross doubt that sends an email as like this

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Speaker 1: is wrong. Yeah, He's like, this is completely this is

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00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: completely wrong. So they start going back and forth and

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00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: recognize that they have an issue, and they start talking

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Speaker 1: to the fact checker and at the piece published in

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00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: the evening, and at five eight am, after like going

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Speaker 1: back and forth all night over this piece, Bennett emails

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00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: the initial author and the section's fact checker and writes,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the truth is here. And that

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Speaker 1: was what the Palent team really seesed on right exactly that,

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Speaker 1: like they knew that this wasn't really correct, And it

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00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: took some time later before you know, it's pulled from

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00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: the piece, correction is written, an apology actually went out,

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00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: which is against Times policy, but they felt like it

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00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: was an egregious enough mistake that they needed to actually

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00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: directly apologize to Sarah Palin, which was also offered as

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Speaker 1: evidence against the idea that there was actual malice here.

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Speaker 1: I think that's correct, but it just it does show

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Speaker 1: you how sloppy they are that, you know, the motivation here,

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Speaker 1: let me get this correct. The motivation was, let me

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Speaker 1: get clicks in traffic and make punch this up and

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01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: make it sexier, even though he admits here, I don't

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Speaker 1: actually know what the truth is. I thought that was interesting.

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Speaker 1: And there's your takeaway. Everyone. There's a lot of people

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01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: who listen to the show. You should listen to that,

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01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: and you should be like, hey, don't listen to the

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Speaker 1: New York Times, or like whatever you or whenever you

1098
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: read the New York Times editorial page. You should try

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01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: and fact check a lot of these things ourselves. We

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Speaker 1: do it too, and anytime we use the Times reporting,

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01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: usually it's just for the headline in order to show

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Speaker 1: it kind of in a starkness, but we'll go and

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Speaker 1: check and make sure that what this is showing, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: And that's part of the problem. We live in individualized

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01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: age where you have to have deep lack of trust

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01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: and you have to be able to go through and

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01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: think a lot for yourself. But at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, press freedom is what matters more than anything else.

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Speaker 1: Not just about this show, It's about every show, about

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Speaker 1: any independent journalists out there, because look, if push comes

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01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: to shove, it ain't them that will actually be paying

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Speaker 1: the price. It will be all of us, the much

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Speaker 1: much smaller players who don't have as much money, who

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01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: don't have a million layer fight the sound for us

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01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: court the right that they do. Exactly. So, if you

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Speaker 1: know the shows in the UK or somewhere else, for example,

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Speaker 1: where they don't have true freedom of speech, and something

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Speaker 1: like this happens, you're dead. And I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: the right Sander. All right, Sager, what are you looking at? Well,

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Speaker 1: if you were to ask me one of the best

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Speaker 1: things that Trump ever did for the city of Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. It would have been killing the White House correspondent.

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Speaker 1: I know it sounds trivial in practice, but it actually

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Speaker 1: mattered for far reaching reasons that I'm gonna outline today.

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Speaker 1: You see, the Obama presidency fully completed the merger of

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Speaker 1: elite media with the elites who ran the country. It

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Speaker 1: completed the class transition of journalists to elite regime defenders

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Speaker 1: rather than those who are paid to question the regime. Now,

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Speaker 1: this happened for a variety of reasons, but as Matt

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Speaker 1: Tayibi has so eloquently described, the main reason is class.

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01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: Journalism used to be a profession that was working class,

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Speaker 1: and it drew muckrakers, and it increased in status slowly

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01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: over time, and soon it became a way to enter

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Speaker 1: the American aristocracy. It was symbolized best in the White

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Speaker 1: House Correspondence Dinner. Professional stenographers who gather with Hollywood and

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Speaker 1: business elites to impress upon the world they are among

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Speaker 1: the pinnacles of power. Their job used to be to

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Speaker 1: question it. And under Trump, we actually had somewhat of

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Speaker 1: a return, at least in rhetoric, to that oppositional posture

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Speaker 1: that should exist between journalists in the White House. After

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Speaker 1: Michelle's wolf performance the WHCA in twenty seventeen. Coincidentally, also

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Speaker 1: while I was a card carrying member of the White

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Speaker 1: House Correspondence Association, the organization actually did something useful. For

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Speaker 1: once they decided, you know what, screw all this Hollywood

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01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: glitzon nonsense, Let's use the organization for something useful. Imagine that,

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Speaker 1: and for a brief shining moment, they did something good.

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Speaker 1: The WHAA invited historian Ron Chernou to the dinner to

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Speaker 1: help the journalists understand their place in history and place

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Speaker 1: the current times in context. Churnou is by far one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest biographers of American presidents that is alive today.

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01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: It was an inspired choice, and it sought to use

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01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: the event not only to raise money for journalism scholarships,

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01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: but to actually educate the journalists in question. Sadly, it

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01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: was one off event, and now that Biden's back in

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01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: power and COVID is mostly done, the regime is solidly

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01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 1: trying to recreate the glory days in the most pathetic

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Speaker 1: way possible. The organization announced yesterday that a comedian and

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Speaker 1: I guess that is his technical title, Trevor Noah, the

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Speaker 1: host of The Daily Show, will host the White House

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Speaker 1: Correspondence Dinner. That is a terrible choice for many number

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Speaker 1: of reasons. Number one, it shows that the WHCA made

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Speaker 1: the explicit choice to reject the new course return to

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Speaker 1: try to make themselves as cool people in entertainment in Hollywood.

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01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: They couldn't stand not hobnobbing with the powerful for so

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Speaker 1: many years. That is as close to fame as most

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Speaker 1: of these people are ever going to get. But number two,

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Speaker 1: it's the obvious. Not only is Trevor Noah not that funny,

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01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: but its political comedy it only goes one way. Noah

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Speaker 1: is about as reliable as a Democratic mouthpiece that exists.

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Speaker 1: In fact, Noah has boasted that he is glad not

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Speaker 1: to make jokes about Joe Biden. His idea of a

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Speaker 1: joke apparently is lecturing his audience, most recently on critical

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Speaker 1: race theory as to why his adopted country of America

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Speaker 1: should be representative of the Supreme Court. In fact, a

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Speaker 1: review of all of his supposedly newsworthy things that I

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Speaker 1: found of him over the last year shows almost every

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Speaker 1: single time towing the establishment democratic media identity politics line

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Speaker 1: in support President Joe Biden. Look at those headlines right there.

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Speaker 1: The guy he's not a comedian, He's basically a Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party operative, and frankly not even a very good one.

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Speaker 1: So hahah, can't wait for the comedy that night. Sure

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Speaker 1: Biden may get a few jabs here or there, but

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Speaker 1: Noah is just not simply going to give him the

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Speaker 1: mockery he deserves. In my opinion, the only comedian who

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Speaker 1: ever did a good job at the WHCA was Stephen Colbert,

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Speaker 1: from mocking George W. Bush to his face, making him uncomfortable,

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Speaker 1: insulting him. If you're too young to remember this, here's

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Speaker 1: a taste, and tonight it is my privilege to celebrate

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01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 1: this president because we're not so different. He and I.

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Speaker 1: We both get it. Guys like us. We're not some

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Speaker 1: brainiacs on the nerd patrol. We're not members of the factinista.

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Speaker 1: We go straight from the gut, right, sir, That's where

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01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: the truth lies, right down here in the gut. Do

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01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: you know you have more nerve endings in your gut

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Speaker 1: than you have in your head. You can look it

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Speaker 1: up now. I know some of you're gonna say, I

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01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: did look it up, and that's not true. That's because

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Speaker 1: you looked it up in a book. Next time, look

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Speaker 1: it up in your gut. So good. I still cringe,

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Speaker 1: even though I hate George W. Bush to my core.

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Speaker 1: That's what it really looks like, people. Bush deserved it

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Speaker 1: for the disastrous war in Iraq, and at the time

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Speaker 1: he was one of the most unpopular presidents and modern

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01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: American history. That's what we deserve right now. Joe Biden

1205
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: is one of the worst presidents that we've had in

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01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: modern times. Will He is historically unpopular, He blew probably

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01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: the easiest presidential layup in history, and he deserves to

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01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 1: be mocked to his face for what he has done

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Speaker 1: to this country. But the WHCA, they're not going to

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Speaker 1: do that because it doesn't actually challenge power. They can't

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Speaker 1: pick someone who might offend Biden's feelings. And in a way, Noah,

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Speaker 1: the WACA, and Biden all deserve each other. They are

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Speaker 1: a symbol of a failing dream that the establishment has

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Speaker 1: any credibility. Noah most recently tried to capitalize on the

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Speaker 1: Joe Rogan controversy by reminding people that he and his

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Speaker 1: show exists because he routinely only gets like five hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand viewers a show that's about as bad as the

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Speaker 1: average CNN broadcast. Nobody watches him. If we only got

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Speaker 1: that daily, we will be living under a bridge and

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Speaker 1: this show would be a massive failure. Real comedians Rogan,

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Speaker 1: Tim Dillon, Andrew Schultz, Bobby Lee, Sigura, Chreischer, all those

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Speaker 1: other guys out there. They're crushing Trevor Noah on the

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Speaker 1: daily on the Internet. They are crushing him precisely because

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01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: they're willing to tell jokes that make the people in

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01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: power upset and are actually funny. Noah is a dying

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01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 1: symbol of accepted comedy. The mainstream comedia who are throwing

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Speaker 1: the event are a dying symbol of what was once

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Speaker 1: trusted as journalism in this country. People who had credibility

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Speaker 1: to deliver the news to you. That's dying collapsing. They're

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Speaker 1: partying like it's Versi seventeen ninety because they just can't

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Speaker 1: see how complicit they are in getting us to where

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Speaker 1: we are today. On top of all of that is

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Speaker 1: Biden himself, a literally dying symbol of the old order.

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01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,479
Speaker 1: They think they can pretend long enough they will all

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Speaker 1: just go back to sleep, but it's far too late

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01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 1: for that, and they us underestimate all of us at

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01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: their own peril. That's really what I took away from

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Speaker 1: at Crystal, which is that Trevor Noah, look, I don't

1239
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 1: think you guys, and if you want to hear my

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Speaker 1: reaction to Sager's monologue, become a premium subscriber today at

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Speaker 1: Breakingpoints dot com. Chrystal what are you taking a look

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Speaker 1: at well, guys, we have of course been covering the

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Speaker 1: trucker protests that occupied Ottawa's shutdown key bridges, inspired actions

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01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: and countries around the world, and forced a massive government reaction.

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01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: We told you about that today. That protest also seems

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01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 1: to be having some immediate policy impact. Multiple provinces have

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01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 1: announced some easing of pandemic restrictions, seemingly in response to

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Speaker 1: the movement, even as Trudeau announces dramatic actions to crack

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01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: down on their protests. Now, as I've watched all of

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Speaker 1: this unfold, the dominant feeling that I have been struck

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01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 1: by is deep envy. I am sympathetic to some aspects

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01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 1: of the Trucker's cause, but clearly is not really my cause.

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01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 1: If every pandemic restriction was lifted tomorrow, it would do

1254
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 1: nothing to solve the corruption, greed, and grotesque Gilded Age

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Speaker 1: disparities afflicting our society. So to see the Trucker's organization,

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01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: their attention grabbing tactics, their discipline, their ability to mess

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Speaker 1: directly with commerce, yeah, I am jealous as hell that

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Speaker 1: the populace left cannot pull off something on that scale.

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01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 1: In fact, the last time my ideological brethren did anything

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Speaker 1: close was just about a decade ago, September twenty eleven,

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Speaker 1: when the first activists, disgusted with Wall Street crimes and

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Speaker 1: working class misery, launched Occupy Wall Street. I've been thinking

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Speaker 1: a lot about Occupy recently. Partly I've been reading a

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Speaker 1: new book about the legacy of Occupy from Michael Leviton,

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Speaker 1: who were actually having on KKF this week. But it

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01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 1: really does represent this kind of pivot point where for

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01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,879
Speaker 1: once in American society we actually got the divide correct.

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Speaker 1: The ninety nine percent versus the one percent class was foregrounded,

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Speaker 1: elite lawlessness was central, and the tactic was also really

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Speaker 1: symbolically powerful, occupying a park in the heart of Wall Street,

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01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:42,679
Speaker 1: forcing cloistered bankers to have to look in the eyes

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Speaker 1: of their detractors and their victims every single day. The

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Speaker 1: violent and hysterical response from authorities also helped to make

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Speaker 1: the case occupy activists were in fact over the target. Now,

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Speaker 1: the truckers imagine that their demands represent a threat to

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Speaker 1: elite power, but in reality that's kind of a farce.

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Speaker 1: In fact, the corp world has been pushing for reopenings.

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Speaker 1: Commercial real estate developers they need bodies back in offices.

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Speaker 1: Bosses need worker bees back under their watchful case. Schools

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Speaker 1: need to be open so that workers can make their shifts.

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Speaker 1: That's not to say that any pandemic restrictions is the

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Speaker 1: wrong policy. In fact, I agree with lifting most restrictions

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Speaker 1: at this point, given how successful the vaccines have been.

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Speaker 1: But we shouldn't confuse a policy being correct with thinking

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Speaker 1: that implementing that policy would be a meaningful challenge to

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Speaker 1: the capitalist powers that be. It's only really a meaningful

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Speaker 1: challenge to the confused wine moms stooped into double masking

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Speaker 1: their kids outdoors. It's telling that the Canadian government basically

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Speaker 1: took no action against the protesters until they were hurting

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Speaker 1: trade with US. Once they started messing with capitalism, the

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Speaker 1: truckers were immediately shut down. But while yes, their tactics

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Speaker 1: for sure hurt the bottom line of powerful players in

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Speaker 1: corporate America, their actually core demands don't. And there's a

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Speaker 1: really obvious sign that this is the case. The media

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Speaker 1: has covered this protest and the partisan manner of any

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Speaker 1: other culture war nonsense that will have zero impact ultimately

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Speaker 1: on the established order of things, instead of with the

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Speaker 1: bipartisan uniform condemnation that you see when movements really represent

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Speaker 1: a threat to the power elite. Because the core sources

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Speaker 1: of power money, corruption, political rigging, those are all bipartisan

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Speaker 1: in nature. Attacks on these things trigger uniform smears and condemnation.

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Speaker 1: Think Biden's Afghan withdrawal, or think about the fight for

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Speaker 1: Medicare for all, or think about every anti war movement. Ever.

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Speaker 1: With the Truckers, GOP aligned corporate media, they're totally comfortable

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Speaker 1: backing them and louding them as freedom fighters. This comes

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Speaker 1: on the heels, of course, of their derisive treatment of

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Speaker 1: George Floyd protesters, including demands to call in the military

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Speaker 1: and the passage of multiple bills designed to constrain and

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Speaker 1: defang protests and even to legalize running protesters over in

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Speaker 1: the street. Sure, the Libs have been hypocrites on the

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Speaker 1: Trucker protests, but the right has done a total one

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Speaker 1: to eighty here as well. Meanwhile, CNN and MSNBC, they're

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Speaker 1: posed to the Truckers, intent on tarring the entire group

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Speaker 1: with the extreme or racist views of the fringe in

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Speaker 1: order to dismissed their legitimate grievances, spinning out articles on

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Speaker 1: how their tactics are basically fascism. These networks were of

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Speaker 1: course very supportive of the George Floyd protests, even as

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Speaker 1: they came during COVID pre vaccine and included a significant

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Speaker 1: amount of chaos and violence. Without debating the worthiness of

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Speaker 1: these two different protests, it's very clear the response to

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Speaker 1: both of those two protest movements was thoroughly partisan coverage

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Speaker 1: in treatment totally depended on which political team stood to benefit.

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Speaker 1: Contrast that partisan treatment of the George Floyd protests and

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Speaker 1: the Trucker protests with the uniform smearing of Occupy, a

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Speaker 1: movement which, while ultimately impotent, mainstreamed a devastatingly accurate critique

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Speaker 1: of the most powerful institutions in the entire world. GOP

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Speaker 1: aligned media certainly led the charge against Occupy Rush Limbaugh

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Speaker 1: called them pure genuine parasites and claimed that rhetoric about

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Speaker 1: the ninety nine percent was anti Semitic. Over on Fox,

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Speaker 1: Brettbaar said the protests were supported by the Ayatola of

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Speaker 1: Iran and Venezuela's Hugo Chaves. Eric Ericson of Red State

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Speaker 1: partnered with Fox News for a whole campaign around how

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Speaker 1: he and his fellow upstanding citizens were part of the

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Speaker 1: tax paying fifty three percent, supporting the lazy forty seven

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Speaker 1: percent who could just hang on protest on the government

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Speaker 1: doll This would of course, ultimately lead directly to the

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Speaker 1: campaign destroying comments from Mitt Robney about the forty seven percent,

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Speaker 1: But liberal outlets they were also dismissive. The initial phases

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Speaker 1: of the protests were met with a nearly complete blackout

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Speaker 1: on coverage. Here's NPR getting raked over the coals by

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Speaker 1: their listeners for their lack of any kind of coverage. Then,

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Speaker 1: once the protests grew to the size where they just

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Speaker 1: couldn't really be ignored, hosts and articles were routinely content

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Speaker 1: full of the protesters themselves and also their core grievances.

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Speaker 1: Over on CNN, Aaron Burnett, she sneered at the demonstrations.

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Speaker 1: She said, it's not just a bunch of dancing hippies protesting.

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01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,520
Speaker 1: There are all kinds of people there, babies, teachers, cheerleaders,

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Speaker 1: and that, she said, panning the camera to a freaky

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Speaker 1: zombie guy, before launching into a stirring bit about how

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Speaker 1: they don't even really understand how great the bank bailed

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Speaker 1: allouts were for ordinary taxpayers. Glenn Greenwald thoroughly trash CNN

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Speaker 1: for their coverage at the time, writing I bet that

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Speaker 1: these two CNN personalities would generally find the suggestion that

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Speaker 1: they are not objective to be baffling and offensive. That's

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Speaker 1: because the world begins and ends with Jamie Diamond, City

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Speaker 1: Group executives and Columbus Circle corporate Gallus. I was at

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Speaker 1: MSNBC at the time, and the network, by and large,

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Speaker 1: as I recall it covered, occupies a fringe distraction from

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Speaker 1: the real political work being done by the grownups in

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Speaker 1: the Obama administration. So when your movement is really going

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Speaker 1: after something big, both sides of the political spectrum are

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Speaker 1: going to demand an end to it and potentially call

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Speaker 1: for the military to come in and quash it. So listen,

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Speaker 1: if your protest is being praised by some faction of

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Speaker 1: partisan media, that's fine. Doesn't mean the cause is unjust

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Speaker 1: just that it isn't going to really represent any sort

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Speaker 1: of threat to power. And don't be fooled by Fox

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Speaker 1: News and other GOP aligned media's new working class rhetoric.

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Speaker 1: They are still fully coock to capital. As for me,

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Speaker 1: I'll continue to wish for a day when the effective

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Speaker 1: tactics of the tri are used on behalf of a

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Speaker 1: movement that might earn the unified contempt of every legacy

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01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:09,759
Speaker 1: media goual and truly shift power towards the working class. Sager,

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Speaker 1: is interesting to think back about occupy and what and

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Speaker 1: if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

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Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com. Joining

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Speaker 1: us now a great friend of the show Kyle, conduct

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Speaker 1: of Larry Sabatoe's Crystal Ball, but also the author of

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Speaker 1: a great book. Let's put that up there on the screen,

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Speaker 1: the long red thread, how democratic dominance gave way to

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Speaker 1: Republican advantage in US House elections. Highly recommend it to

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Speaker 1: all of you and within that vein, Kyle, you're joining

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Speaker 1: us to talk just about the midterm elections, redistricting and

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Speaker 1: all of that. Since the last time we spoke. What's

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Speaker 1: your general view of the landscape heading into the midterm elections.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's just bad for Democrats. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: general welcome, thanks for joining us, Thanks us. So much

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Speaker 1: of this is you just kind of foll where the

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Speaker 1: president's proval rating is and if it's lousy as it

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Speaker 1: was for you know, Bush and O six and not

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Speaker 1: so much for Obama in twenty ten, although the trajectory

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Speaker 1: was bad and obviously I ended up in a bad

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Speaker 1: election for Democrats. Bomb was unpopular in fourteen. Trump was

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Speaker 1: unpopular in eighteen, and you know, we saw what that

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Speaker 1: sort of translates to in the mid term environment. He

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Speaker 1: saw either the House or the Senate flip in all

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Speaker 1: four of those years. The longstanding history of midterms, going

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Speaker 1: back to the Civil Wars, at the president's party almost

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Speaker 1: always loses ground in the US House, often loses ground

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Speaker 1: in the US Senate. And you know, I think we

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Speaker 1: the last talk right around the time of the Virginia,

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Speaker 1: New Jersey elections. Those were not good performances for Democrats,

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Speaker 1: and Biden's approval numbers is even worse now than it was,

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Speaker 1: you know, in early November during during those elections. And

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Speaker 1: so there are all sorts of little pieces of the

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Speaker 1: story that we could talk about, but I think the

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Speaker 1: top line is really important that if the president's proval

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Speaker 1: rating remains weak, you would just not expect Democrats to

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Speaker 1: do particularly well in November. Talk to us about I

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Speaker 1: think it was UA who had an analysis that said

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Speaker 1: Republicans could actually win a historic majority in the House

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Speaker 1: if they have a few more balls bounce in their direction.

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Speaker 1: Lay that analysis out, and then also how many swing

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Speaker 1: districts at this point even really exist in America because

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Speaker 1: we know the way that you know, the lines have

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Speaker 1: been drawn in ways to shore up a lot of

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Speaker 1: safe districts for Democrats, a lot of safe districts from Republicans,

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Speaker 1: and so the only contest of the general election that

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Speaker 1: really matter these like few dozen congressional districts. So when

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Speaker 1: the Republicans won the flip the House in nineteen ninety four,

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Speaker 1: that was, you know, historic. They hadn't won the House

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Speaker 1: in the forty years prior to that. The Democrats had

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Speaker 1: dominated the House really since the time of FDR and

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Speaker 1: the New Deal. But in ninety four they flipped fifty

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Speaker 1: four seats, and then in twenty ten they won the

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Speaker 1: House back from the Democrats who won in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and six. Republicans flipped sixty four seats in twenty ten.

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Speaker 1: But one thing you got to remember about that is

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Speaker 1: that the Republicans were starting from a fairly low place.

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Speaker 1: They'd only had the in the one seventies in terms

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Speaker 1: of you know, number of seats heading into those elections.

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Speaker 1: This time, the Republicans already at two hundred thirteen that

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Speaker 1: they won in twenty in twenty twenty, and so they

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Speaker 1: only need to pick up five to get the majority.

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Speaker 1: And you know, so so I think you'll sometimes here

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Speaker 1: Republicans say, oh, we're going to have this historic election.

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Speaker 1: We're going to win you know, sixty or seventy seats.

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Speaker 1: That seems a little unrealistic. However, if the Republicans just

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Speaker 1: won thirty five more than they won in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: that would get them a two hundred and forty eight seats,

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Speaker 1: which would be their biggest majority since right before the

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Speaker 1: Great Depression. And I do think it's possible that they

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Speaker 1: could do that. And you know, you have to pick

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Speaker 1: up you know, a number of seats all over the country.

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Speaker 1: You know. As to the question about swing districts, you

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Speaker 1: got to remember that what a swing district in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two is is different than what it might be

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, because in the context of twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two, it's probably going to be a bad environment

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Speaker 1: for Democrats, or at least not a good environment for Democrats.

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Speaker 1: And so seats that Biden maybe one by ten or

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Speaker 1: fifteen even points. Maybe those are swing districts in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two, but maybe they aren't in twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: because they're you know, they sort of revert back to

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Speaker 1: their presidential partisanship in the presidential year. You know, you're

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Speaker 1: always gonna have a lot of uncompetitive districts in house

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Speaker 1: elections because so many parts of the country are uncompetitive.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's hard to draw competitive seats between the

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Speaker 1: two parties. In Los Angeles or New York City, it's

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Speaker 1: hard to draw you know, a district a Democrat could

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Speaker 1: win and you know, western Kansas or Western Nebraska or something.

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Speaker 1: But you know, there aren't there, There aren't that many

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Speaker 1: competitive districts across the country. We're still going to you know,

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Speaker 1: figure out what the tally of that is. But again,

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Speaker 1: what a competitive district is kind of depends in some

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Speaker 1: ways on what the political environment is, right, you know,

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Speaker 1: this is the interesting thing, Kyle. Then, so how are

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Speaker 1: we supposed to gauge the so called swing districts. My

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Speaker 1: whole life, I hear about swing district, swing district, swing district,

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Speaker 1: but as redistricting and all that can used to go

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Speaker 1: and as you say, whenever, so much of the country

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Speaker 1: is just actually uncompetitive. Where should we look? Do you

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Speaker 1: have an idea, not even of just racist regions, where

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Speaker 1: should we keep an eye on? You know, look, I

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Speaker 1: think that that Michigan's map, I think is a good

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Speaker 1: example of a competitive map, in that you had a

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Speaker 1: new commission system there. Previously it was a Republican gerrymander.

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Speaker 1: The Democrats were still a clawback to seven seven tie

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Speaker 1: in the delegation in the most recent couple of elections,

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Speaker 1: in part because some of the you know, safe Republican

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Speaker 1: suburban seats that they drew for themselves all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden weren't safe anymore by the end of the decade.

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Speaker 1: You know, these things do change over time, and we

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Speaker 1: saw big changes in the electorate, you know, in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, twenty twenty. But there are you know, there

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Speaker 1: are a number of districts drawn in Michigan that really

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Speaker 1: are plausibly winnable by either side. And you could look at,

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Speaker 1: you know, some other parts of the country, like Virginia

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Speaker 1: Beach for instance, almost always seems to host competitive president

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Speaker 1: or House elections. Some of the Philadelphia suburban areas and

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Speaker 1: historically been pretty competitive, particularly like Bucks County. You know,

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Speaker 1: there are certain pockets in the country where you do

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Speaker 1: often see a competition. Upstate in New York is another example.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the Democrats drew a gerrymander in New York

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Speaker 1: State to try to, you know, win as many seats

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Speaker 1: as possible, but some of those upstate seats are still

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Speaker 1: going to go Republican. You know. So again there are

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Speaker 1: competitive places, but you know, how you draw the lines,

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Speaker 1: of course matters a lot. You stay like Michigan, they

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Speaker 1: seem to try to maximize them out of competition. Other

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Speaker 1: places they're going to try to, you know, minimize the

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Speaker 1: level of competition. Texas is a good example of that,

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Speaker 1: where Republicans drew a positive map for themselves, but it

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Speaker 1: was more designed about protecting the seats they already had

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Speaker 1: as opposed to necessarily adding seats. Talk to me about

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Speaker 1: the Senate than how are things looking for Mitch McConnell

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Speaker 1: and the Republicans there? You know, one hand, I think

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Speaker 1: you look at the Republican candidates in the you know,

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Speaker 1: the frontline Senate seats like Georgia and Arizona, Nevada, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think the Republicans have kind of a list

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Speaker 1: recruits in those places. But at the same time, if

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Speaker 1: the political environment is bad for Democrats, I think all

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Speaker 1: these candidates are capable winning. You know, likeliest Republican nominee

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Speaker 1: in Georgia, it's Herschel Walker, the football star, who has

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Speaker 1: seems like a lot of baggage, and yet there there's

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Speaker 1: been some recent polls that shown him narrowly ahead of

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Speaker 1: Raphil Warnock, Democratic candidate obviously got a long way to

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Speaker 1: go there. You've got a competitive primary in Arizona. Adam Laxalt,

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Speaker 1: the former state attorney general in Nevada, is the likely

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Speaker 1: challenger to Catherine court has Masto in that state. You

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Speaker 1: got to tell you Nevada demographically, it's very much a

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Speaker 1: working class state. But we've seen democratic erosion, particularly with

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Speaker 1: working class voters. So I think that the court has

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Speaker 1: Masto is in real trouble, even though Laxalt is pretty

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Speaker 1: conservative and I wouldn't say that he's, you know, the

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Speaker 1: greatest challenger, but certainly capable of winning in this kind

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Speaker 1: of environment. So, you know, there's a lot of I

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Speaker 1: think handwringing on the Republican side about are the are

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Speaker 1: the challengers good enough. But again it might be that

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Speaker 1: the challengers allows you, but some of them end up

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Speaker 1: winning anyway. So I think that the real question comes

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Speaker 1: down to this. It's obviously Biden and popular. Is it

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Speaker 1: issues based in any way, and what do you think

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Speaker 1: those issues are. I do think that it is issues

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Speaker 1: based in the sense that there are concerns that people

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Speaker 1: have with the country that maybe they feel like Biden

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Speaker 1: the Democrats aren't dealing with in the right kind of

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Speaker 1: way or are dressing fully. I mean, there's been a

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Speaker 1: lot of polling that's indicated that, you know, there is

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Speaker 1: like broad approval of like some of the things in

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Speaker 1: the Build Back Better social spending packages Democrats are trying

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Speaker 1: to pass, but a lot of people don't feel like

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Speaker 1: that sort of legislation is actually addressing what they see

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Speaker 1: as the problems in the country are, and that is

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Speaker 1: you know, COVID inflation, gas prices, et cetera. And those

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Speaker 1: are harder things I think for uh, the you know,

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Speaker 1: for the White House and for Congress to the fact,

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Speaker 1: you know, ultimately, I mean, again I'm no economists, but

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Speaker 1: you know, the Federal Reserve may have to intervene to

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Speaker 1: try to deal with this inflation problem if indeed it's

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Speaker 1: going to be a lasting issue. Uh. And you know,

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Speaker 1: but that's that's not really the White House. And and

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01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 1: you know, if that does inter that could cause economic problems,

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Speaker 1: which is also bad for the White House. So there's

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Speaker 1: I think there's a disconnect between what the public cares

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Speaker 1: about and maybe what the White House cares about. And

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Speaker 1: also this feeling that maybe the White House just isn't

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Speaker 1: up to the task of dealing with these problems. But again,

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Speaker 1: this is so common in midterms. You know, there are

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Speaker 1: problems that arise after a president gets elected, and it

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Speaker 1: can be pretty hard for the White House to be

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Speaker 1: able to get a handle on those problems. Yeah. And finally, Kyle,

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Speaker 1: looking historically, is it too late for Democrats to turn

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Speaker 1: things around because on the or for conditions just generally

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Speaker 1: to improve in their favor, Because on the one hand,

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Speaker 1: November is going to be right around the corner. On

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Speaker 1: another hand, of course, in political time, it can be

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Speaker 1: an eternity and a million things can happen between now

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Speaker 1: and then. So what do we know from history in

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Speaker 1: terms of that. That's a great question. I think I

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Speaker 1: don't think the cake is baked yet, but I do

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Speaker 1: think that by the time you maybe get to the summertime,

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Speaker 1: people's perceptions of what reality is, I think they kind

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Speaker 1: of lag behind what reality may be. Like A good

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Speaker 1: example is so in nineteen the lead up to the

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Speaker 1: nightineteen fifty eight midterm, which is one of the huge

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Speaker 1: midterm blowouts in American history, that Democrats just crushed the

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Speaker 1: Republicans all over the country in that election. There was

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Speaker 1: a really bad recession in late nineteen fifty seven early

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Speaker 1: nineteen fifty eight, and things it started to recover in

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Speaker 1: the summer in the fall, but I don't think public

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Speaker 1: opinion necessarily caught up to that, and the Democrats still

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01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 1: had a really good election. And so, you know, if

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Speaker 1: you still see you know, COVID and inflation and other

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Speaker 1: things as a problem, people feeling bad about the economy,

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Speaker 1: even though the actual metrics are you know, some of

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Speaker 1: them are pretty positive, but people, if people's feelings are

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Speaker 1: kind of still negative in the late spring, early summer,

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Speaker 1: even if things kind of turn around, it might be

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Speaker 1: hard to get people back on board for that. You know.

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Speaker 1: We also have you know, a lot of states of course,

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Speaker 1: do a lot of early voting, absentee voting, and so

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Speaker 1: late breaking developments may matter less than they have in

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Speaker 1: the past because a lot of votes are going to

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Speaker 1: be banked by election day. Anyway, Well, they're all great points,

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Speaker 1: really good. Thank you so much for educating as Kyle,

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Speaker 1: I think this is very helpful. Man. I love your

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01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 1: opening point, Well, things are bad for Democrats. The rest

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Speaker 1: of its great to see it, man, Thank you. Thanks

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Speaker 1: guys so much for watching. Really appreciate it. Thank you

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01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 1: also supporting our work. You know, in the time of

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Speaker 1: all this censorship and stuff. The Canada thing really does

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Speaker 1: get me. I mean in terms of cutting and using

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Speaker 1: the financial system, not just in terms of Canada itself.

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01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 1: They're a country, they can do what they want, but

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Speaker 1: weaponizing Western financial media companies in order to do that.

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Speaker 1: That's why we have it set up and we rely

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Speaker 1: specifically on you, and we have that relationship which is solid.

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Speaker 1: I guess for now you can always doubt. Did you

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Speaker 1: see Jordan Sheridan what YouTube did to him? Yeah? I did. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they've they've sinsored, taking his channel tempers strike for giving

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Speaker 1: him a strike for something Elive stream he did like

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Speaker 1: a month ago, that questioning stop the steal right that

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Speaker 1: was deemed to have some unspecified misinformation in it, so

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Speaker 1: it just goes to show you you never know what

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Speaker 1: you're facing and that's why we rely on you. We

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Speaker 1: thank you all so so deeply, and we'll see you

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Speaker 1: guys on there, saying