WEBVTT - True stories of survival cannibalism! 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:04.480 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from house stuff Works 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:13.319 dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:18.599 There's Charles W. Chuck. Right, there's Jerry and this is 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:22.279 stuff you should know, right, Chucker, how are you, sir? 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:29.680 I'm good? How are you great? Just toothless and happy good. 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:36.360 I'm halfway there to your tooth to the pre when's 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:39.120 your next visit? Well, I go in tomorrow to make 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:43.239 sure the implant is looking good. I can tell you 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:46.880 that it looks great, and then in August is what 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:50.080 I'll actually get the post and crown. Man. I'm really 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:53.040 sorry that you have to do all this. Thanks many, 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:56.080 It sucks. Yeah, that's why I'm sorry you have to 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:57.920 do it. And I can't. Not that I wear my 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:00.280 my flipper much anyway, but right now he was like, 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:02.800 don't even wear your flipper while the implants in there, 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:04.640 And I was like, all right, is that why you're 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:10.640 wearing overalls today? That's right. Uh, let's see Chuck. Chuck, 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:14.480 if you ever tasted human flesh? No, but I think 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:16.520 you asked me that same question when we did our 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:21.200 regular cannibalism episode. Yeah. Probably, but this is the subject 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:24.160 so nice. We had to serve it twice. Well, we've 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:26.399 actually talked about some other stuff too, like we did 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:30.000 a whole dinner party episode. We talked about the Essex 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:34.959 and the whaling episode. Oh yeah, Um, we've talked about 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:39.920 cannibalism a lot. Like if there's a um, a tag 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:44.360 cloud would be decent size chuck, we should say. Um, 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:47.120 if you guys didn't get this from the title, we're 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:49.280 talking about cannibalism, and some of the stuff we're talking 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:52.280 about gets pretty graphic and grizzly. So if you have 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:54.440 a weak stomach or you're a little kid and you 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:58.200 don't want nightmares, uh, maybe don't listen to this one. 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:01.840 Very good sir, And now let's move on to Survival Cannibalism. 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:05.760 So again, people go listen to our cannibalism episode because 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:09.079 it was a particularly good one. If you ask me, um, 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:14.000 did we talk Surely we talked about the Uruguayan rugby team. 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:16.239 I don't know if we did or not. Is it 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:19.359 just that I'm so familiar with the story that or 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.200 actually we probably did, but we're going to revisit it today. Okay, Well, 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:27.440 let's go back way back in time and the Uruguayan 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:30.440 National rugby team is flying through the Andies on the 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:35.680 way to play the Chili Chilean rugby team for a match, 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:39.880 and they don't make it. They don't. They're plane crashes 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:44.880 on a mountain something like thirteen thousand feet above sea level, 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.239 basically in the middle of nowhere. That's right. A fair 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:52.240 Child F two to seven of the Uruguayan Air Force 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:58.840 had forty passengers and five crew members, including that rugby team. 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.120 And you know it was pretty much mostly just the 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.880 rugby team, right, Yeah, they charted it, okay, but I 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:07.440 think there were some other folks. There were some kids there. Really, 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:12.119 I think I knew that. So, um, here's the deal 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:15.560 with the Andes mountains. Uh, it's only a hundred and 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:21.960 seventy meters wide, but they're very tall and peaky. So 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:26.600 the tallest one, um is almost seven thousand meters and 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:31.040 it's the highest peak on the American continent. And uh, 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.959 the fair Child as a plane could only ascend a 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:38.240 seven thousand meters, so they had to find like low 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:42.240 spots to make that passage. It's called poor planning. Well, 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:46.080 I would guess that the uruguayne rugby team would agree 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:48.440 with me that that was poor planning. No, I don't 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:52.280 think so. Like this pilot had made this passage. I 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:54.720 had the number in here, but many many many times 0:03:54.760 --> 0:04:00.960 before may have been eighty. UM. So I don't know 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:05.160 if it was poor planning, but it was. Here's what happened. 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:10.440 They're flying, they take a sharp descent at about three 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:14.440 thirty in the afternoon, and they dipped below the clouds 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:18.240 because of these strong air pockets. So the captain was like, everyone, 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:21.000 fasten your seat belts. This is a little bumpy right now. 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:22.440 I don't think they felt like they were in real 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:26.200 danger yet. And then it entered a strong downward air 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:30.920 current and it said violently dropped several hundred meters. So 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:33.719 this uh. Following that, there was a second sharp ball. 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.120 And at this point people looked out the window and 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.599 saw they were below the clouds and they saw mountains 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.600 like you know in their face, and they realized that 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:46.200 this is not good. They tried to gain altitude, could not. 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:50.280 The right wing broke off when it hit a mountain. 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:55.200 When that broke off, it went backwards, UH, cut off 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:59.279 the tail and then the at that point several like 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:01.400 four or f We're just pulled out at that point 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:03.640 and died, sucked out of the plane, sucked right out, 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.960 immediately fell to their death. Uh. Then the left wing 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.680 was ripped off, and what you've got is just part 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.520 of the fuselage remaining, and it goes sliding down the 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:16.760 mountains like a like a toboggan. Um. And by all accounts, 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.280 they thought they were done for, like, there's no way 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.120 we're gonna stop. Um. But as luck would have it, 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:26.520 they did slow down. They entered a valley and slowed down, 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.960 but with such force that the seats like ripped from 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:35.800 their bolts and they crashed through like the luggage compartment 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:40.200 and came to arrest. So how many survivors there were, 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:43.559 I'm not quite fair. Another forty people on the plane. 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.440 Seven people survived the initial crash out of the forty five. Okay, 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:49.839 so that's bad enough, right, Yes. And they're like, okay, 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:53.880 we're stranded up in the andies. The temperatures like negative 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:58.120 thirty negative thirty degrees fair, right, which is negative thirty 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:02.560 four celsius. Too bad, It wasn't just negative forty. Um. 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:04.520 So they're they're like, but at least we have the 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:07.200 fuselage of this plane to act as an an impromptu 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:09.720 shelter while we figure out what's going on. Yeah, let's 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:12.040 take stock of our supplies. Let's see, we've got some 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:15.359 wine and we've got some chocolate, and that's it. Yeah, 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.440 but very much, it said, a few more snacks, but 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:21.920 it was very very very very little food. Um. And 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.520 then a short time after they crashed and they had 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.000 taken stock and we're trying to like figure out what 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:30.440 to do, an avalanche came and buried the plane, buried 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.880 some of the people alive inside of it. Yeah, so 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.440 eight more people died, I think. Yeah. And previous to this, 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:39.880 they actually had a working radio, uh, and there was 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:42.320 a search party, and after ten days they literally heard 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:45.520 on the radio that they're presumed dead and the search 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:49.360 was called off. So your spirits broken. Then the avalanche 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:52.560 comes and that kills eight people right off the bat, 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:54.760 I think you said, including the guy who was the 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:58.680 team captain, who had emerged as the leader of the survivors. 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:01.039 So he died in the avalanche. Yeah. So then they're 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:03.520 trapped in there for a few days, and as as 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:05.920 people are dying, they start making pecks. This is a 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:08.560 There was a team. First of all, there was a 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:12.040 rugby team, and then there were family members all among 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:15.240 the rugby teams, so it was a very like tight right, 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:19.000 And so they started making packs that if if if 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.480 I die, you guys eat me, so that like you 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.600 can try to survive. Somebody's got to make it out 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:29.120 of here alive, so be sure to eat me. Yeah. 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:31.560 And they had cleverly found a way to get fresh 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:36.480 water by melting snow, using metal from the seats um 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:38.520 and dripping it into those empty wine bottles. So they 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.280 they it was remarkable that they were surviving at all. 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:47.920 So they were all very religious or Roman Catholic, and uh, 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:50.600 you know, you're not supposed to eat people, so for 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:52.480 religious reasons, a lot of them had a lot of 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:56.040 problems with the notion of doing so. Um, but they 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:57.880 you know, they did what they had to do in 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:01.840 the end. So they sent out a A A I 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:03.600 don't know if you'd call it a search party. What's 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:07.600 the opposite of a search party to brave dudes? Yeah, 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:11.240 but those those were kids, um, and they went on 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:14.400 like a ten day trek, and finally we're found by 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:19.440 a Chilean shepherd who was working the mountain, and um 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.040 who he went and got a search party. Mustard and 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:25.640 brought him back, and they found the guys. A bunch 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:30.280 of them survived through in part survival cannibalism, but definitely 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:32.439 more than just that. These guys just didn't didn't just 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:35.800 lay down and die. It was their their spirits were 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.600 still up somehow. That's right, dude. In the end, uh, 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:42.960 sixteen people ended up surviving this ordeal amazing weeks and 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:45.599 weeks and weeks in the Andes Mountains and freezing temperatures. 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:48.400 And they made a great movie. I've not seen it. 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:51.560 Is it good? Yeah? That is good? Um. Of course, 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:55.840 you know, in typical Hollywood fashion, it was all white dudes. Yeah, 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:58.200 isn't Ethan Hawk one of the guys. Ethan is one 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:02.200 of the guys. Vincent Spano is Italian. Oh but hey, 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.800 you don't know the difference between an Italian and you're going. Yeah, 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.200 they were all white dudes, but um, or maybe not 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:11.800 all but the lion chair of them, of course. So um. 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:13.959 Aside from that, it was it was a good movie. 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:16.480 And I remember we definitely talked about this because I 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:19.280 remember telling the story being a kid, and like the 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.439 book was a really big bestseller and I thought it 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:24.480 was a soccer teams. I didn't know the difference between 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:28.199 rugby and soccer. If you listen to our soccer podcast, 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:32.439 you might think, I still don't know the difference. Uh So, 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:37.000 up next, Chuck is Jamestown. This is actually a fairly 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:41.360 recent revelation. Apparently, if you were a scholar and historian 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:45.960 of colonial America, you were in the know that there 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:50.760 was persistent legends and rumors that the people in Jamestown 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:56.240 had resorted to cannibalism during the winner of sixteen o nine, 0:09:56.440 --> 0:10:00.040 sixteen ten. Yeah, there were five historical accounts of of 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.360 the years that people pointed to, and these are like 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.480 first person diaries from the people who were there at 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:08.480 the time, saying it was so bad that we ate 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:13.760 anything in sight, including dead people the end, But there 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:15.800 was nothing to back it up. So I guess the 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:20.240 historians were like these colonists trying to show off, or 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:23.040 they're using hyperbole, maybe like they were saying, I was 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.480 so hungry I could eat a horse, but they were 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:28.040 using cannibalism instead of the horse, because they actually did 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.680 eat the horse. Well. Then, finally, a couple of summers 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:36.240 ago in two thirteen, some archaeologists who were excavating Jamestown 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:39.880 came upon a tresh heap where they found the butchered 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:43.760 bones of horses and human teeth and a partial skull. 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:47.839 And when they examined the teeth in the skull, they realized, like, 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.959 oh wow, these are butcher marks right here. They weren't 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:53.960 just exaggerating or showing off. They really did engage in 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:58.079 cannibalism in Jamestown. Yeah, and this is the only artifactual 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:04.240 evidence of cannibalism by europe ends ever. Supposedly, that's what 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:08.760 it says, um. And with science, it's pretty remarkable what 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.679 you can do these days. They actually did three D 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:16.120 reconstructions and examined this skull and learned a lot about 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:21.040 this fourteen year old girl that they called Jane. Uh. 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:23.640 She was found buried a couple of feet down two 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:25.600 and a half feet down, but in a in a 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:30.600 trash heap, a huge giveaway seventeenth century trash heap in 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:37.040 the cellar inside the site at James Fort. So these 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.880 colonists died in the winter of sixteen o nine, and 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.480 they found what they called multiple chop marks on the 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:46.800 girl's skull um clearly interested in cheek, meat, muscles of 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:49.439 the face, tongue in the brain, and they think that 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:53.120 the person who at least was responsible for harvesting the 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:56.439 flesh in the brain from the head was not an 0:11:56.440 --> 0:12:01.120 experienced butcher. The marks on the forehead are hesitant, and 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:04.560 apparently they they couldn't stand or staring at them while 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:07.160 they were doing this, so they turned her over and 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:09.000 then from the back of the head that's when the 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:12.160 marks became a little more confident and where they finally 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:15.400 cleaved her skull open. So they've turned her over and 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:18.240 that's when the butcher marks start to get a little 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:21.600 more confident, and apparently that's where they were They managed 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.240 to access her skull by cleaving it into from behind. 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.760 That's right. They also found cuts and saw marks and 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:31.680 stuff along her lower jaw uh that they said was 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:35.520 made to get the meat. Who said that in this article? 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:43.160 I read arbies from uh. But here's the remarkable thing. 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:46.240 They use isotope studies to find out a lot about 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:50.160 this girl. So they know from examining examining her shinbone 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:53.559 that she was fourteen, really sad. But the good news 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.800 is like she wasn't murdered, No, she starved to death. 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:00.959 Well goodness bad. I guess it's sad anyway you look 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.520 at it, although that's not necessarily true. There were there's 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:06.120 a lot of disease that was spreading through Jamestown at 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.520 the time as well, so as possible, she died of 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:12.120 other causes that aren't quite as bad as starvation. Where 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:16.160 here's the deal Jamestown was. It's not what you learned 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:19.679 about in elementary school, like, it was doing very poorly 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:23.920 at this point. People were starving. The local Native American 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:27.120 tribe that were once friendly with them had cut them 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:30.199 off and and they actually showed up in sixteen o 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:34.559 seven or six sixteen o seven during the worst drought 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:38.160 in the region in centuries. So it was a really 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:43.320 just inauspicious beginning. And they called this period, especially during 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:45.680 the winter of sixteen o nine and sixteen ten, the 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:49.680 starving time. It was the capital escent Capital t so 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:53.160 you know it was significant. So, Uh, in sixteen o nine, 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:55.840 they're already in bad shape and then three hundred new 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:59.679 settlers show up. Uh, what's for dinner? On the six 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:01.960 years They were in bad shape when they got there 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.640 because they had a rough crossing. And so they believe 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:09.640 from studying isotopes in this girl's teeth that um a 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:12.600 few things. One that is she came over on those 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:16.960 six boats, that she hadn't been there long. Um too, 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:21.320 that she was either a served as a maid to 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:24.040 a family of high status, was from a family of 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:26.040 high status, because they found that she had a lot 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:29.720 of protein. Um, and then they determined that she's It's 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.680 amazing what they can determine that she was from probably 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:37.240 the southern coast of England because they water that she consumes. 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:42.320 While she's got her little baby teeth are forming an infancy, 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.600 you can tell years later where that came from. Son, 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:49.480 leave it to the Smithsonian. Those guys hats off. So 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:56.200 after eating horses, dogs, cats, rats, mice, they ate, leather, 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:59.560 they ate, they ate anything they could get their hands on, 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:04.600 they f only did resort to uh eating humans. Now 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.160 we have evidence of it and by spring of sixteen, 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:12.320 only sixty people had survived. Isn't that amazing? It is 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:15.200 because three hundred came over on the boat, So I 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:20.600 don't know how many are already there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:25.080 it's a bad jam. It's a bad jam, all right. 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:27.920 Uh should we take a break. Yeah, let's take a break, 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:51.240 all right. I need to regather myself, so Chuck. I 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.640 believe we talked about this one before too, because it's 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:58.560 so astounding. But there was a guy named Richard Parker 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:02.640 and he was working aboard a yacht that was sailing 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.000 from England to Australia. And the name of the yacht 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:09.520 was the Mignonette. Do you know what I was sailing there? Uh? No, 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.880 A rich dude bought it in Australia and it was 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:16.120 just like literally being delivered to him. I guess I 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:18.000 did kind of know that. Yeah, I didn't know. I 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.520 just thought it was some expedition or something like. No, 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:22.680 I do kind of remember that from when we talked 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.680 about it before. When do we talk about this cannibalism? 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:28.160 So the Mignonette is sailing to Australia. A couple of 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:32.240 months in the trip, it sank because it's not supposed 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:35.160 to sail from England to Australia. It was not built 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:38.320 for that really. Yeah, and they even kind of fortified 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:44.600 it apparently and didn't work. So on board there's a 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:48.080 cabin boy, seventeen year old named Richard Parker. Have you 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:52.280 ever seen cabin Boy? The movie? Great movie? Yeah? You 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:54.520 kid me, Chris Elliott, Yeah, I was I think I 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:57.480 saw that in the theater. I was so excited. Yeah, 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:00.920 David Letterman's in that too. Sure he is a weird cameo. 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:07.040 Uh so cabin boy. Cabin boy Richard Parker, uh seventeen 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:11.360 years old and he um there there's an old tradition 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.639 called the custom of the sea where you are in 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.320 bad shape and you draw lots, and whoever draws the 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:20.680 short straw um says, you know, kill me and eat me. Well, 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.159 they say, all right, I won't hold it against you. 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:27.520 When you guys, that's probably how it goes. So they 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:34.720 considered drawing lots, and then the captain Thomas Dudley said, nah, 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:39.600 let's not even bother. Look at Parker. It smells like onions. 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.280 I don't like how the kids looked. Ever, well, it's 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:44.040 pretty sad. They literally were like, I don't think we 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.000 even need to draw lots, like he's clearly the one 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:50.119 that needs to go. He was malnourished. He was skinny. 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:53.120 Uh he It sounded like from the accounts I read 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:56.080 that he was. They were having to kind of care 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:58.359 for him, like he fell overboard at one point and 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:00.680 they had to rescue him. More trouble, Leny's word. He 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.720 drank sea water and got himself sick, and everyone's like, 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:07.880 you don't drink seawater, Richard. So they said, I think 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:10.440 we're just gonna take care of this without a vote. 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:14.360 And um, he didn't have family or anything like that. 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:17.760 He was a kid. So Dudley jabs a pen knife 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:20.080 in his neck. Not a good way to go, Joe 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:24.639 Pesci style, you're gonna dispatch be dispatched. That's not a 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.560 good way to go. A pen knife in the neck. Now, 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:29.159 I don't know how I mean on they were on 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:31.480 a little dinghy at this point. I don't know. That's 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:34.359 just like a seagull. And then hit him over the 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:36.520 head and then you can stand him with the pen 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.480 knife once he's out. You don't just go from zero 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:42.399 to pen knife in the neck. Hey, I agree, Uh, 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:47.000 no arguments here to go. Peesci style is barbaric. So 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.159 they killed him with the pen knife, ate his flesh, 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:52.119 drank his blood, and just a few days later they 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.399 were found. Um, I don't know if they would have 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:57.199 survived those few days or if that haunted them for 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:00.679 the rest of their lives. They're rescued ronically by a 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:04.600 German ship called the Montezuma. It was the famous Aztec 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:08.800 king who eight people and made me poop. That's right. 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:13.560 Oh really yeah, huh, that's interesting. It gets even more 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:16.200 interesting though, while they were tried for murder I know 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:19.920 where you're going, and found guilty, but people felt pretty 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:22.200 bad for them. They were like, yeah, we've all met 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:25.320 Richard Parker. He did smell like onion. Uh. And so 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:28.080 six months later they were released from prison. But here's 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:30.800 where it does get a little weird. Oh me, yeah, 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:35.760 so I love this. This is eighteen eighty four, right 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:41.399 when this happened. Um, in eighteen thirty eight, a little 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:46.000 guy named Edgar Allan Poe wrote a short story about 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:49.679 a boat that sank and some guys were in a 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:54.000 lifeboat and a guy got killed and eaten, and the 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:57.160 guy who got killed in Eaton's name was Richard Parker. 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:01.520 In that awesome it's pretty weird. The narrative of Arthur 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:06.040 Gordon Pim of Nantucket was the short story. And um, 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:09.120 I saw something that pointed out like many other things 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:11.199 didn't match up. I was like, that's really all you 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:16.680 need to call it a startling coincidence, you know. Apparently, 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:19.240 also the guy who wrote the Life of Pie named 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:22.639 the Tiger Richard Parker as well, did you know that 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:25.000 I haven't seen that movie or read the book. I 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:27.520 haven't read the book. Movie was really good. I heard 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:29.639 nothing but good things. Yeah, I've just never been in 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:31.160 a Life of Pie mood, you know what I mean? 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:36.200 The name sort of it's kind of like, yeah, it's Pie. 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:38.840 Do I care about his life? No? It's a good 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:43.080 movie though, all right. Moving on to uh, Alfred or 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:47.879 Alfred Packer? Who knows? I heard it was Alfred, but 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:53.560 I've seen it both ways, illiterate gold miners in the 0:20:53.600 --> 0:21:00.280 Old West? Who knows that's right? Uh, February Alfred. He's like, 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:03.399 he's a gold miner, he's a prospector, and he wants 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:06.160 to go to the high mountains of Colorado to find 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:10.280 gold and apparently makes like half of the trip and 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:13.720 then stops in the winter and stays with the Ute 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:16.320 tribe and they're like, you need to just stay here 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:19.840 until spring, don't go any further. He says, no, no, no, 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:23.000 I got this. I'm going to continue on. Thanks for 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:27.120 the warning. So he goes on with his his friends 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:34.720 and um eventually wanders out of the woods alone. Yeah, 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:37.400 he went in with five other dudes, came out alone, 0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:40.560 that's right, and said who me, Oh, I'm just the 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:44.800 sole survivor of the group. A storm hit and everybody 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:48.240 went their separate ways. Let's not talk about it again. Yeah, 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:50.760 he said, my feet got frozen and I couldn't keep up, 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:53.520 and I don't know what happened to those dudes. And 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:56.000 they're like, oh really, He's like, okay, fine, all right, 0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:57.440 yeah I killed one of them, but it was in 0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:02.439 self defense. And they're like what He's like, all right, okay, alright, 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:06.600 we ate some of the other dudes, but they died naturally. Well, 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:09.239 the reason they first said, wait a minute, what's going 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:10.679 on here? As he said that I don't know what 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:12.679 happened to those guys, and they said, well, why do 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:17.159 you have their personal belongings in your pack? And he went, oh, well, 0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:21.400 I know I've got wallets full of money from these guys, right, 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:24.480 so maybe I should come somewhat clean. So the story 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:27.800 keeps changing every time they asked him. Uh. They eventually 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:32.280 he's in jail. Is very kg. He's in jail at 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:35.320 this point, um obviously while he's being questioned and all 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:38.600 this stuff, But the jail was basically a log cabin. 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:41.920 No jail can hold Alfred Packer. No, especially not to 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:45.240 jail in eighteen seventy four in Colorado, so he busted out, 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:48.479 goes on the lamb for nine years. They catch him 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:53.160 in Wyoming, liver under the leaving under the alias John Schwartz. 0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:58.760 Actually somebody who was part of another expedition that he 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:03.080 was on, a guy named French. He recognized him, just 0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:05.359 happened to run cross paths with him. It was like 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:09.520 you no way, Yeah, wow, that's bad luck. I guess, 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:14.600 good luck. Um. So he was convicted of manslaughter and 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:20.720 sentenced to forty years, released on parole in one after yes, 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:24.560 seventeen years. Yeah, and supposedly died of vegetarian at the age. 0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:31.280 That's what they say, and it sounds to me like, yeah, 0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:33.800 that's what I think. He Well, he's become a beloved 0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:36.359 figure there. I guess. There's a statue of him on 0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:39.439 the campus of you see it Boulder. Well, yeah, they 0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:44.000 named their cafeteria after him, and with the subheading have 0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:48.080 a friend for lunch. Terrible. Those college students back in 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:51.000 the sixties had a real sense of humor, and of 0:23:51.040 --> 0:23:56.480 course the South Park guys wrote cannibal the musical after him. 0:23:56.560 --> 0:24:01.679 So Alfred Packers Survival Cannibalist, what degree? We don't know? 0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:07.159 That's right, I need another break, sir, I'm hungry. Is 0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:31.119