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Speaker 1: From Mediators World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This is

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Speaker 1: Cal's weekend review, presented by Steel. Steel products are available

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Speaker 1: dot com. Now here's your host, Ryan cal Callahan.

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Speaker 2: The US Fish and Wildlife Service proposed a new rule

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Speaker 2: last week expanding hunting opportunities at three national Wildlife refuges

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Speaker 2: while banning the use of lead ammunition and tackle at

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Speaker 2: eight others. Outdoor folks are glad to see forty eight

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Speaker 2: new hunting opportunities, but it would be an understatement to

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Speaker 2: say that the lead ammalban is controversial. We'll cover this

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Speaker 2: topic in more detail in the coming weeks. We've hit

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Speaker 2: it before, but here are a few highlights. The rule

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Speaker 2: calls for the eight wildlife refuges to phase out the

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Speaker 2: use of lead tackle and ammunition by the year twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six. The Wildlife Service says, quote the best available

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Speaker 2: side yants indicates that lead ammunition and tackle have negative

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Speaker 2: impacts on both wildlife and human health. The rule does

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Speaker 2: not call for lead ammo to be banned at any

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Speaker 2: other refuges, but critics say this is just the first

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Speaker 2: step to banning lead on all federal public land. Despite

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Speaker 2: what the Service says in its rules, the science about

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Speaker 2: the effects of lead ammunition on wildlife and human health

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Speaker 2: is far from settled. Wildlife biologists Jim Heffelfinger covered this

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Speaker 2: topic in an article last year for the medieater dot com.

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Speaker 2: He points out that while lead exposure has harmed certain

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Speaker 2: endangered bird populations like the California condor, there is little

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Speaker 2: evidence that it has population level effects on many other

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Speaker 2: kinds of animals. Opponents of the rule also point out

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Speaker 2: that non lead ammunition is more expensive and less available,

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Speaker 2: which could make hunting and fishing prohibitively expensive for some folks.

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Speaker 2: Copper bullets are also less effective than bonded lead bullets

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Speaker 2: at extended ranges. The National Shooting Sports Foundation said the

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Speaker 2: Wildlife Service is quote cowtowing to anti hunting activists and

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Speaker 2: Republicans in the US House are pushing a bill that

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Speaker 2: would prohibit lead AMMO bands on all federal land. Backcountry

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Speaker 2: hunters and anglers urged wildlife officials to make switching to

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Speaker 2: non led ammunition optional. The advocacy group says that lead

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Speaker 2: bands should only be implemented when justified by specific fish

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Speaker 2: and wildlife population impacts. Comments are open at regulations dot

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Speaker 2: gov and the public can weigh in until August twenty second.

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Speaker 2: Whether you support or oppose this new rule, be sure

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Speaker 2: to let your voice be heard. We'll leave a link

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Speaker 2: at the meat eater dot com forward slash col.

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Speaker 3: Holy Cats Pajamas.

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Speaker 2: It's been a heck of a week. If you haven't

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Speaker 2: already guessed, this week's format is going to be a

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Speaker 2: little different because we have an interview with the director

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Speaker 2: of the BLM, Tracy Stone Manning, and we are talking

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Speaker 2: about the new BLM Management Plan proposal, specifically the concept

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Speaker 2: of conservation easements. But first I'm going to tell you

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Speaker 2: about and specifically why the upcoming audio is just not

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Speaker 2: as good as we strive for. If you haven't guessed already,

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Speaker 2: it's my fault, but I have a good reason. I

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Speaker 2: was out looking at a new piece of property for

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Speaker 2: the Meat Eater Land Access initiative. If you recall, we

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Speaker 2: chose to donate to the Trust Republic Lands Forever Montana

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Speaker 2: project in Northwest Montana last year. That project is still

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Speaker 2: ongoing and absolutely worth your time and money. But we

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Speaker 2: got to stay nimble in the land access game and

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Speaker 2: help some smaller projects too. This new piece that I

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Speaker 2: am going to ask for you to support pretty soon

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Speaker 2: kind of has it all incredible natural history, river access,

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Speaker 2: river bottom slews, Turkey's waterfowl, deer, upland birds like pheasants

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Speaker 2: and sharp tail grouse, raptors, wide variety of fish, stickballs, pickpockets,

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Speaker 2: cookie chris, a shaved line that looks like are YOUO?

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Speaker 4: Metality?

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Speaker 2: It's a dream and it is so close to getting

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Speaker 2: over the public access finish line. How do things like

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Speaker 2: this happen or even get to this point? You might ask, Well,

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Speaker 2: in this particular case, you have awesome, dedicated people, heroes

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Speaker 2: I would call them, on the ground looking for ways

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Speaker 2: to expand public access to great hunting and fishing opportunity.

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Speaker 2: And you have a landowner who would rather see their

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Speaker 2: property that they love go to a lot of like

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Speaker 2: minded people for well below market value than to just

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Speaker 2: a few folks for top dollar. Mark my words. If

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Speaker 2: we get this done, I'm going to find a way

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Speaker 2: to build a statue for these people. It's amazing. Outside

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Speaker 2: of that, I've been toiling in the kitchen. Antelope ribs,

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Speaker 2: fresh deer and wild pig burgers out of the Western grinder,

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Speaker 2: Octopus off the Big Island, poached in California, olive oil

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Speaker 2: and Hawaiian sea salt, goose sausages, turkey wings, turkey thighs,

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Speaker 2: and even the very last of the peacock, also in

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Speaker 2: wing and thigh form. We're celebrating our nation's independence this

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Speaker 2: weekend with wings and smash burgers to start, and a

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Speaker 2: giant piea spread to wrap things up. If you learn

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Speaker 2: one thing from the My Week section of this podcast,

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Speaker 2: prep as much as possible at home so you can

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Speaker 2: fish until dark when camping. Mosquitoes don't bother me when

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Speaker 2: I'm throwing flies to cutthroat trout, but man, they suck

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Speaker 2: when I'm chopping vegetables on a camp table, vegetables that

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Speaker 2: could have been chopped at home. Be safe, courteous, and

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Speaker 2: after the fishing is done, instead of fireworks, go to

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Speaker 2: a safe and or authorized shooting range and shoot some guns.

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Speaker 2: Dial in that rifle, plink that twenty two, bust some

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Speaker 2: clays in advance a bird season. Your bird dog will

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Speaker 2: thank you. And by celebrating America's independence in this fashion,

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Speaker 2: you'll be pumping those Pittman robertson dollars and helping out

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Speaker 2: wildlife and access and habitat for generals to come.

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Speaker 3: Moving on again.

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Speaker 2: As a brief caveat, yes, the audio on my end

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Speaker 2: is a little rough, and I apologize. You'll also hear

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Speaker 2: at the end the very, very fantastic Jordan Sillers, who

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Speaker 2: crushes writing and research on this podcast, as well as

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Speaker 2: many of our hit articles at the meat eater dot com.

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Speaker 2: As a refresher, the Bureau of Land Management the BLM

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Speaker 2: manages one in every ten acres of land in the

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Speaker 2: United States and approximately thirty percent of the nation's minerals.

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Speaker 2: These lands and minerals are found in every state in

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Speaker 2: the country and encompass forests, mountains, range lands, Arctic tundra,

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Speaker 2: and deserts. That's roughly two hundred and forty five million acres,

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Speaker 2: thirty six million acres of which are under oil and

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Speaker 2: gas development leases, with about twelve point six million acres

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Speaker 2: actually producing. Thank you to the Wilderness Society for those stats.

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Speaker 2: The BLM's mission statement is to sustain the health, diversity,

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Speaker 2: and productivity of public lands for the use and enjoyment

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Speaker 2: of present and future generations. As you can imagine, that

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Speaker 2: is a big task with a lot of stakeholders, which

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Speaker 2: for public comment, which I hope you did, you know,

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Speaker 2: comment publicly anyway. Tracy stone Manning, Director of the Bureau

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Speaker 2: of Land Management, Tracy stone Manning, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for coming back.

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Speaker 4: It is my pleasure.

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Speaker 2: So there's this big BLM planning project going on right now,

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Speaker 2: management plan. And the thing that our community is concerned

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Speaker 2: those would be amongst the BLM. So if you wouldn't mind,

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Speaker 2: I think a great way to a would be what

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Speaker 4: You bet cal And I'm going to back up two

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Speaker 4: steps first and just give you the kind of overarching

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Speaker 4: goal of the public Lands rule, right. The goal is

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Speaker 4: to improve landscape health so that we can ensure our

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Speaker 4: on protecting the best wildlife habitat that we've got, restoring

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Speaker 4: And you know, in short, I'm really interested in putting

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Speaker 4: of the tools that we talk about in the rule,

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Speaker 4: and their sole purpose is for two things, one restoration

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Speaker 4: clear for you and your readers right off the top,

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Speaker 4: these leases would not shut down public access. Their whole

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Speaker 4: reason for being is to improve habitat, but they don't

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Speaker 4: shut down access. Excellent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's definitely a hot topic, one of the major

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Speaker 2: it would be great if you could expand on the

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Speaker 2: word landscape in regards to these leases, as well as

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Speaker 2: what type of enhancement would be allowed. I know, I know,

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Speaker 2: we're dealing with a lot of acres and they're very diverse,

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Speaker 2: but would we be talking about, oh, native grasses, water projects,

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Speaker 4: Uh, yeah, that's sort of the gist of it. So

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Speaker 4: let's let's do a hypothetical. Say somebody's interested in restoring

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Speaker 4: interested in doing some restoration on this allotment. It's going

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Speaker 4: And if the rancher says, boy, it hasn't been meeting

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Speaker 4: likely would go somewhere else. Right, there's plenty of land

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Speaker 4: It might be getting rid of cheat grass, it might

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Speaker 4: The landscape itself would dictate what was needed there, and

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Speaker 4: the lease would be for ten years, and it requires

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Speaker 4: at the end, of ten years. If everybody's happy, the

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Speaker 4: lease is done. If the landscape requires a little more

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Speaker 4: time from mother nature, we would talk about renewing the lease,

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Speaker 4: but throughout that the lands stay open to what the

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Speaker 4: law calls casual use. And you and I col have

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Speaker 4: done a lot of casual use on BOM grounds. That means,

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Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am, that is that is the truth. I've also

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Speaker 2: been out there commercially back in my guiding days as well,

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Speaker 4: And yes, indeed, and then in that in that.

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Speaker 2: Who could apply for these leases? And I imagine since

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Speaker 4: That's it. There's only two reasons for these conservation leases.

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Speaker 2: So more than likely if you're gonna have a shoe

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Speaker 4: I think that's probably an accurate portrayal. However, even one

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Speaker 4: Good. There's been a terrific investment through the Inflation Reduction

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Speaker 3: Fantastic.

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Speaker 4: I guess, oh, cal that's a good question. I'm focused

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Speaker 2: And are there specific areas in mind that kind of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good question. You know, we have we

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Speaker 2: So there could be where you have, you know, a

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Speaker 4: You know, it could, right, So the one of the

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Speaker 2: Sure, So, like Conico, Phillips could apply for conservation leases

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Speaker 4: Pay into a mitigation bank, and that mitigation then goes

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I understood there.

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Speaker 5: Thank you. Yeah, that's that was my only question.

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Speaker 3: That's great, Tracy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, cal thanks for that question. My ask of your

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Speaker 4: the rule itself and a comment period again runs through

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Speaker 4: July fifth. And my ask is that folks read the

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Speaker 4: I think there's been a lot of reading between alliance

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Speaker 4: I would ask folks to see what it is we're

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Speaker 4: trying intending to do, which is to ensure that we

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Speaker 4: And if we miss that mark, we need to hear

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Speaker 4: it right. But the intention behind the kind of role

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Speaker 4: is simply protect our best intact landscapes, restore as much

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Speaker 4: live in kind of funny times and folks are maybe

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Speaker 4: seeing some things on the page that aren't there. So

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Speaker 4: I asked ask folks to read the words on the

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Speaker 2: Excellent, excellent. Well, I think that's a great call to

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Speaker 2: action and we'll leave it just as that. All right,

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Speaker 2: that's all I've got for you this week. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for listening. Remember right in to ask c

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Speaker 2: Al that's ask Cal at the Meat Eater dot com.

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Speaker 2: Let me know what you thought of this interview as

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Speaker 2: well as what's going on in your neck of the woods.

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Speaker 2: You know, I love to hear it. On top of that,

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Speaker 2: head down to www dot steel Dealers dot com to

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Speaker 2: they won't try to send you home with what you don't.

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Speaker 2: Thanks again, and I'll talk to you next week.

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