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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: We are here outside the Hugo Black Federal Courthouse in Birmingham.

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Speaker 2: Right behind us, a plea deal has just gone down

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Speaker 2: today we thought would never come with the Reuben Judge's son,

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Speaker 2: Yourn van der Sleute, who we have long believed murdered

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Speaker 2: Natalie Holloway, and today we find out that's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 3: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us, not only here at

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Speaker 2: the Hugo Black Courthouse, but on Crime Stories in series

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Speaker 2: XEM one eleven with me Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,

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Speaker 2: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on

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Speaker 2: Amazon and start of hit series Bodybags. With Joe Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 2: my longtime friend and colleague, and also my longtime friend

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Speaker 2: and college league, Cheryl McCollum. She's the founder and the

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Speaker 2: director of the Cold Case Research Institute and she's a

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Speaker 2: star of a hit series Zone seven podcast. We've been

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Speaker 2: in the courtroom from the beginning and I've just come out,

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Speaker 2: and what a day in the courtroom today.

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Speaker 4: I can tell you with certainty that after eighteen years

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Speaker 4: Natalie's case, it's solved.

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Speaker 5: As far as I'm concerned, it's over. It's over.

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Speaker 4: R On Vandersolde is no longer the suspect in my

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Speaker 4: daughter's murder.

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Speaker 5: He is the killer.

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Speaker 2: I've just talked out of the courtroom. And the last

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Speaker 2: thing I did before I left the courtroom as I

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Speaker 2: got to hug Beth, Natalie Holloway's mother. What an odyssey

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Speaker 2: that woman has been on since her daughter Natalie disappeared

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Speaker 2: so many years ago on a senior trip to Aruba,

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Speaker 2: heavily chaperone. Everything was going fine until the night before

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Speaker 2: it was time to leave. Natalie was never seen alive again.

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Speaker 2: And today in the courtroom we finally see in the flesh,

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Speaker 2: not a picture, not an artist drawing your Vanderslout, the

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Speaker 2: Uruben Judge's son, who I have long believed murdered Natalie

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Speaker 2: Holloway and the line we've counted up eight to ten

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Speaker 2: stories he's told. But today a story has survived. A polygraph,

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Speaker 2: not only a polygraph that has been administered by our

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Speaker 2: federal experts, but a detailed investigation by, as the judge said,

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Speaker 2: some of the best detectives and investigators.

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Speaker 3: In the world.

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Speaker 1: Now, if it were not for what the judge said, I.

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Speaker 3: Would not believe one word you're in Vanderslout.

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Speaker 2: Spit out in his statement, But I think he told

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Speaker 2: just enough of the truth to get a deal. A

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Speaker 2: lot of people have been whining it's a sweetheart deal.

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Speaker 2: It is not a sweetheart deal. In front of this

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Speaker 2: judge were just two charges, and they've dealt with extorting

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Speaker 2: Natalie's mother, Beth out of twenty five thousand dollars in

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Speaker 2: exchange for Natalie's remains or whereabouts? Can you believe that

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Speaker 2: extorting a grieving mother offering to tell where her daughter

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Speaker 2: its remains are for money? And of course he was

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Speaker 2: lying through his teeth. But today we finally got some answers.

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Speaker 3: And if a federal.

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Speaker 2: Judge believes it, and a polygraph believes it, and a

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Speaker 2: fleet a federal investigators believe it, I gotta stay. As

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Speaker 2: much as I don't like the Feds, I believe it too.

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Speaker 2: I want to go to special guests joining us right now.

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Speaker 2: A young lady that went with us to Aruba and

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Speaker 2: searched for answers. Ginger Strickling, Ginger, what has Beth been through?

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Speaker 6: It's just been terrible, Nancy, the pain, the grief, the

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Speaker 6: not knowing and knowing that he was guilty, but not

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Speaker 6: Peru with a plea deal or whatever, and to where

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Speaker 3: You know, it was interesting, Ginger, what we learned today

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Speaker 3: in court.

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Speaker 2: And we have not seen the full statement by Yourn

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Speaker 2: vander Slute, but it appeared to me, Ginger Strickland from

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Speaker 2: the clues I got in the court room that Jorn

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Speaker 2: vander Slute bludgeoned Natalie Holloway dead after she refused sex

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Speaker 2: with him and then discarded her body, disposed of a

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Speaker 2: body at sea. And I'm picking that up from a

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Speaker 2: statement Joe Scott, Morgan and Cheryl that we heard in

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Speaker 2: court where it was stated we will never find her body.

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Speaker 7: There's no doubt about it. Nancy, you and I knew

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Speaker 7: from the beginning that's most likely where he put her.

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Speaker 8: Period. And here's the thing.

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Speaker 7: Today is a great day because we got a confession.

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Speaker 7: He admitted to murdering her for the first so Beth

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Speaker 8: Period.

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Speaker 2: I was just wondering what led up to this moment.

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Speaker 2: What was happening last night, Ginger, What was happening with

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Speaker 2: Beth who was counseling her. Did she stay at home?

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Speaker 2: Did she pray? Could she sleep? Could she eat? I

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Speaker 2: mean it's always she looked stunning in court, but there

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Speaker 2: was a look in her eyes. And when she turned

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Speaker 2: look like hell, I don't think you're gonna make it.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people laughed in the courtroom. I did

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Speaker 2: not laugh because he is going straight to hell. And

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Speaker 2: he did look like hell. He was would you say fleshy?

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Speaker 2: And yeah, he looked grungy. He had a lot of

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Speaker 2: shocked when I saw his appearance. Jell and prove has

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Speaker 2: not been kind to him. But back to Beth, I.

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Speaker 6: Spent yesterday morning, a long time with her yesterday morning,

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Speaker 6: and you know, she in her mind is happy to

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Speaker 6: get to finally find out, but Natalie lives on forever.

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Speaker 6: But she was in a good spirit sleeping. I don't

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Speaker 6: You know, I feel like she needs to eat a cheeseburger.

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Speaker 6: But and you know how it is, she's stressed, she's worried.

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Speaker 3: But I feel like this.

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Speaker 6: Is going to be something that gives her some sort

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Speaker 6: of piece. But Nalie will live on. And I'm I

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Speaker 6: was so proud of her for being so strong today

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Speaker 6: in court when she spoke to him.

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Speaker 2: I'm gotta tell you, I broke down in tears, but

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Speaker 2: Beth did not. She turned around in that courtroom and

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Speaker 2: she looked white at your vanderschluute and she ripped him

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Speaker 2: a new one. There's really no other way to put it,

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Speaker 2: okay with me now, In addition to Cheryl and Ginger

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Speaker 2: and Ginger jump in whenever you hear anything that is

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Speaker 2: different from what you know to be correct, or you

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Speaker 2: want to add Joe Scott, I really want to hear

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Speaker 2: your analysis of what happened for me.

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Speaker 9: You know, when when I began to hear this information

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Speaker 9: began to trickle out relative to the cause of death,

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Speaker 9: what we suspect that it is, the term bludgeoning.

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Speaker 3: It all makes sense to you.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, on one level, but I'm like you. I you know,

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Speaker 9: if it had not come from someone else, I would

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Speaker 2: Are you trying to say you think he's a liar?

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Speaker 2: I only believe what he says if taken with a

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Speaker 9: I think that anybody that would put a mama through

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Speaker 3: And he's going to I can't believe nobody's killed him

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Speaker 9: I know, and you know he's going to have an

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Speaker 9: interesting life downe in Peru. I'm sure at some point

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Speaker 9: in time, whenever he gets back down there. But this

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Speaker 9: is the thing, we have to understand that this threat

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Speaker 9: of violence runs through him. Remember, we can't forget what

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Speaker 9: also happened to the show later.

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Speaker 3: Stephanie Stephanie Toia Flores.

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Speaker 10: From what I've heard relative to.

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Speaker 3: That's oh and they refer to it today in court.

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Speaker 10: And it was brutal.

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Speaker 9: And that goes to the brutality that he was capable of.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, did you look at him and think

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Speaker 2: you are a killer, you are an animal?

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Speaker 9: Well, after as time has gone by, you know, when

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Speaker 9: you see him, he's kind of you know, when you

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Speaker 9: Over the years, he almost looked I don't know, ado

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Speaker 2: Point I never thought that like a brat that, yes,

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Speaker 10: Well, quite possibly.

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Speaker 9: You know, there's a history of violence with him, even

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Speaker 9: I think as it applies to his brother, at one

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Speaker 9: point in time, he almost.

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Speaker 10: Killed his brother.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, the fact that what they're saying has taken

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Speaker 10: And here's my final thought on it.

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Speaker 3: Oh you're not getting off of the hook, that is,

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Speaker 3: you stay right there.

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Speaker 9: Oh No, What I'm going to say is the fact

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Speaker 9: what happened with Navley's remains, the fact that we will

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Speaker 9: probably there's high probability, will never have anything relative.

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Speaker 3: Just said that in court, Joe Scott.

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Speaker 2: I think it was a judge said we will never

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Speaker 2: get Allie's remains, and that I took that to mean

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Speaker 2: that she was disposed of at sea.

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Speaker 9: And I've heard the word in the water relative to

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Speaker 9: what Beth was saying earlier, and I think that once

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Speaker 9: she slipped beneath those waves, we're never going to see

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Speaker 9: her again. And that again goes to the disregard that

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Speaker 10: Would down there.

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Speaker 9: You know, life was just cruising right along, and so

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Speaker 9: it's quite an amazing thing when you see this display.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about the fact we haven't even

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Speaker 2: brought up what the sentence was.

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Speaker 2: We had to do some quick math in the courtroom,

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Speaker 2: and what I understand is a two hundred and forty

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Speaker 2: month sentence and breaking that down to twenty years behind

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Speaker 2: bars now under the law. The judge ran that concurrently

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Speaker 2: A lot of people wanted that to run consecutively. However,

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Speaker 2: she thought that would somehow violate the federal sentencing guidelines.

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Speaker 2: So what we understand is this sentence will run concurrently

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Speaker 2: with the Peruvian sentence. The judge made it very clear

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Speaker 2: that should your van der Sloot's sentence be reduced, modified,

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Speaker 2: should he get out early for any reason, that he

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Speaker 2: would have to return to the US to complete sentencing.

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Speaker 3: Is that how you understood it, Cheryon, That's.

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Speaker 7: Exactly how I understood it. That judge was flawless today.

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Speaker 7: She was not going to make any mistake where anybody

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Speaker 8: This was not done correctly.

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Speaker 7: She clarified, and then reclarified, and then checked again with

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Speaker 7: every single person the state, his attorney, and then with

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Speaker 7: mister Vanderslute. It was absolutely the most professional thing I

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Speaker 7: think I've ever seen in sentences.

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Speaker 2: Question, did you for one moment when the judge was

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Speaker 2: asking Gorn van der Slut, do you agree? Do you

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Speaker 2: agree at any moment that you think he was going

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Speaker 2: to say.

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Speaker 3: No and pull out No?

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Speaker 8: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: He's lied so much. I thought that he might for

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Speaker 3: one moment.

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Speaker 7: But I even told you yesterday, if you remember, he

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Speaker 7: was truthful about what happened to Stephanie Flores.

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Speaker 8: He admitted it at a point.

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Speaker 3: Because he was on camera for Pete's sake.

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Speaker 7: But he's caught here. That's what people don't understand. And

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Speaker 7: I said it yesterday and I'm going to say it

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Speaker 7: again today. He was on film, they had his bank records.

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Speaker 7: There was no wiggle room. Here's the point I want

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Speaker 2: We are talking about the plea deal that went down

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Speaker 2: I mean, so much of her life has been seeking.

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Speaker 6: Justice exactly, Nancy, it has you. She has prepared, She's

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Speaker 3: She's always a strong woman.

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Speaker 5: She has been a strong woman.

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Speaker 6: We saw that when we went to Aruba not long ago,

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Speaker 3: Does she really believe what your avanage is?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 6: At points sometimes she's told me no, she didn't know

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Speaker 6: how can you argue with the polygraph? How can you

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Speaker 2: And you know, I was confused about one thing. I

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Speaker 3: And Nancy, did you catch that? And Nancy, let's just

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Speaker 9: That can okay relative to the charges in Aruba or

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Speaker 9: forward with charges, because this is obvious. He has made

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Speaker 9: And if this is not an impetus for the Eruban

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Speaker 5: Nancy, there is no statute of limitation.

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Speaker 10: No, there's not. We're talking about a homicide here, so that's.

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Speaker 2: A technicality and legal technicality. And the judge addressed the

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Speaker 3: Mints on that confession just as we can.

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Speaker 5: Why not go forward.

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Speaker 3: I'm also curious.

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Speaker 8: What matters right now.

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Speaker 2: Is that just behind us, as.

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Speaker 11: Hugo Black at a courthouse, we saw Lord Vanishloud come

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Speaker 2: We gleaned from other facts that he did that after

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Speaker 2: she refused sex with him. I find it really hard

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Speaker 2: never know because we're never going to get her body back.

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Speaker 2: It was stated in court that her body quote will

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Speaker 2: of at sea. Those are the facts that jumped out

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Speaker 3: Is a changed man.

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Speaker 2: And that he has quote found Jesus. And you know what,

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Speaker 2: I'm glad he has found Jesus, and I hope that's true.

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Speaker 3: That's not going to happen.

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Speaker 8: That's one thing too, Nancy.

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Speaker 6: Did you notice when Bath addressed You're on that she

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Speaker 6: the life that he had. And one was that he

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Speaker 6: was a killer. The other was that sex, the other

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Speaker 6: was food. Yeah, and then I think there was one more.

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Speaker 6: But anyway, that describes him perfectly.

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Speaker 3: And if it is a.

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Speaker 8: Deranged anis has sex and kills me, Well.

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Speaker 2: That's why I refer to him as an animal because

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Speaker 2: it's like this, and I've told me Ny Injury this.

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Speaker 2: When you're walking along in Central Park or Peedmont Park

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Speaker 2: When you see an apple, is your instinct to pick

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Speaker 2: and if she doesn't go along, beat her. Now, that

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Speaker 2: scenario fits with what we know right now, and Joe

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Speaker 2: Scott Cheryl jump in on that scenario possible, plausible, probable.

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Speaker 9: You first, the fact that he can be triggered by

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Speaker 9: goes to this and use the term animal right, yes,

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Speaker 9: goes to almost this primal instinct, this thing. And again

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Speaker 3: Spoiled brat sounds like a three year old little bit.

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Speaker 9: No, he's okay, let me give you another term. He's

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Speaker 9: Obviously he saw Natalie, I think, as an object, just

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Speaker 9: only knows who else who else got roofed by this

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Speaker 9: is very troubling because there's a there might be. For

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Speaker 9: this point in time, maybe since they've seen this resolution,

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Speaker 9: some people might step forward and say, you know what,

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, I know I can't stop here. No guys

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Speaker 3: He didn't speak.

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Speaker 2: He let Beth do the talking, and she did an

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Speaker 2: you can overcome being a crime victim, and you can

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Speaker 3: You can because she did.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, Cheryl, We've talked many times after

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Speaker 2: my fiancee Keith was murdered. I thought I knew it

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Speaker 2: can't say she's overcome it because you never really get

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Speaker 7: I remember sitting with her in two thousand and five

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Speaker 8: Your heart just gets gutted for her.

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Speaker 7: And then we saw her get a little more empowered

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Speaker 7: She looked and spoke right to that devil and she

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Speaker 2: Hey when she just said, devil, I gotta tell you something.

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Speaker 2: I wish you guys could have been in the courtroom today.

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Speaker 2: We got here really early. That's a good thing too,

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Speaker 2: There was an overflow room. But when I saw Jorn

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Speaker 2: has not held up very well in jail, not that

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Speaker 2: all the pain he has caused so many people. Natalie's

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Speaker 6: It's just a sickening feeling. I just couldn't hardly stand

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Speaker 6: It was just pure gut ranching, sickening.

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Speaker 3: He looked like a.

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Speaker 6: Yes, it causes pain, you know, Nancy, we were here

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Speaker 6: But at that time too, it was just a creepy,

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Speaker 3: How did Beth respond to see him the first time?

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Speaker 5: It was tough.

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Speaker 9: It was tough.

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Speaker 1: She you could tell it.

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Speaker 6: She's trying to keep cool, but you could tell it

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Speaker 2: You know, many times in court, victims' families will take

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Speaker 11: To the pen.

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Speaker 3: If it hadn't been from.

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Speaker 2: My investigator and my bodyguard, it would have made it

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Speaker 3: With bailiffs, sheriffs.

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Speaker 2: They were armed. There were guards protecting the judge. There

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Speaker 2: he decided to make a run for it, which of

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Speaker 1: And as you see at many sentences.

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Speaker 2: Every door and exit was protected by the bailifs.

443
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Speaker 7: Cheryl, I was just saying, and the Marshall Service was there,

444
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 7: the FBI was there. He wasn't going to send a

445
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 7: chance if he made any move at all. But I'll

446
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 7: tell you something else that stood out for me for

447
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 7: best comments when she said you have a daughter.

448
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 8: She's talking right to him.

449
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 3: You have a daughter.

450
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 7: What would you want to do to the person that

451
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 7: killed her? And she said, I know what I want to.

452
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 8: Do, kill him. I mean, that was a strong woman

453
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 8: in there today.

454
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 5: Nancy and we did talk.

455
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 6: She and I talked about that yesterday, Cheryl, we talked

456
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 6: about that about his daughter and how you know, how

457
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 6: would he feel, how would he feel if someone got.

458
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 2: To ask you, has Beth ever felt she had to

459
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 2: go kill him?

460
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 3: I know what I would say, yes, yes.

461
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: Okay, because so many times I thought I should have

462
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 2: just killed Keith's killer right then and there, and now

463
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 2: that he's out audio track them down. But I look

464
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 2: at the twins and I would never have them again.

465
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 3: So it's it's tempting exactly.

466
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: So how do you believe First to Joe Scott Morgan,

467
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 2: professor of forensicks at Jacksonville State University, author of Blood

468
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 2: Beneath My Feet still hadn't come out with the second

469
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 2: book yet, that said I'll go ahead and let Kim

470
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 2: your wife write your next book again, but also Star

471
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 2: Body Bags and Cheryl star Zone seven, how do you

472
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: believe the two of you that his story was corroborated?

473
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 2: Because I got a really hard time just swallowing that

474
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 2: with a silverspoon.

475
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 9: Here's the thing, you know, it seems like there's this

476
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 9: continuum where he, you know what they say that did,

477
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 9: can't defend themselves. And he has on several occasions thrown

478
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 9: his dad under the bus. You know that first the

479
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 9: first thing where he implied that, you know, my father

480
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 9: buried her. Remember he didn't say he did it. His

481
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 9: dad took her and buried her beneath the house. Then

482
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 9: he said his dad had facilitated getting a boat to

483
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 9: take her out there, and that was alluded to at

484
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 9: one point in tom So. I don't know, I don't

485
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 9: know exactly how he was purposed. I think that Cheryl

486
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 9: has an idea about these individuals that are still, you know,

487
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 9: down in a room relative to him. Yeah, and you know,

488
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 9: are they part of this? Did they facilitate a boat?

489
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 9: Did they get her remains.

490
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 3: When they left Carlos and Charlie's. They have to know

491
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 3: what happened and.

492
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 9: They have knowledge of it. Yeah, So I think that

493
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 9: that goes to the deposition of her remains. Where did

494
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 9: they place her at that particular time? Did they place

495
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 9: her into a boat? Did they walk her out into

496
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 9: the surf? And that's you know, that's something I don't

497
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 9: know that we'll ever get specific answer.

498
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 8: It absolutely should.

499
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 7: It should be happening today because they got a confession

500
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 7: in a court of law that was corroberated by the FBI.

501
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 8: So for Aruba at this.

502
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 7: Point not to take action should tell everybody if you

503
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 7: go to Aruba, you are not safe. They're not gonna

504
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 7: protect you. If something were to happen to you, They're

505
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 7: gonna help cover it up. You made the best point

506
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 7: when we were in Aruba. We were there fifteen minutes,

507
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 7: and you said, in fifteen minutes you have been willing

508
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 7: to arrest Beth Holloway, but in fifteen years you won't

509
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 7: arrest your hand Van der Slude for Natalie Holloway's murder.

510
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 7: I don't know what else people need to know about

511
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 7: that island. So now that they've got this, they should

512
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 7: absolutely move.

513
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: Forward Prime Stories with Nancy Grace.

514
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 2: Guys, we're about to head over to the Civic Center

515
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 2: where Beth Holloway is speaking. She spoke briefly here at

516
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 2: the courthouse. As she came out, she was mobbed. Take

517
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,479
Speaker 2: a listen to what Beth said outside the courthouse today.

518
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 4: I can tell you with certainty that after eighteen years

519
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 4: Natalie's case, it's solved.

520
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 5: As far as I'm concerned, it's over. It's over.

521
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 4: Uron Vanderslolde is no longer the suspect in my daughter's murder.

522
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 5: He is the killer. And in the course of his family.

523
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 4: Prosecution here for extortion in wire fraud indictment, he gave

524
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 4: a proffer in which he finally confessed that he killed Natalie.

525
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 5: He described when and how he killed her.

526
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 4: And he said that after killing her on the beach

527
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 4: in Aruba, he put her into the water and that

528
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 4: was the last that he ever saw her.

529
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 5: That was all.

530
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 4: Verified by a comprehensive and conductive, conclusive polygraph test. Even

531
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 4: with this confession, though, he can't be tried here for

532
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 4: Natalie's murder, But I'm satisfied knowing that he did it,

533
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 4: he did it alone, and he disposed of her alone.

534
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 5: I won't give you.

535
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 4: The details of his brutal confession. Those will be forthcoming

536
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 4: when the proffer is made public. You will also have details.

537
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 5: At the plea agreement which was reached.

538
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 4: His sentence of the extortion and the wire fraud will

539
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 4: run concurrently with a sentence in Peru for killing Stephanie Flores.

540
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 5: And that's fine with me. Thanks to a lot of

541
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 5: very smart.

542
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,239
Speaker 4: And dedicated people here, I got the answer I've been

543
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 4: searching for for the past eighteen years.

544
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 5: Eron Vanderslot's confession.

545
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 4: Means we have finally reached the end of our never

546
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 4: ending nightmare. And for me, reaching the end of the

547
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 4: nightmare being over is better than closure.

548
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 5: It's been eighteen years since.

549
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 4: Natalie disappe here Tontie would be thirty six years old today.

550
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 5: I still miss her every day.

551
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 4: It's been a very long and painful journey, but we

552
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 4: finally got the answers we've been searching for for all

553
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 4: these years. We finally today we got justice for Natalie.

554
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 4: So thank you all so very much and being supportive

555
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 4: of us in our long eighteen year journey.

556
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 3: Thank you, and now take a listen to our friends

557
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 3: at w b RC.

558
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 12: The most impactful moments of Beth Holloway's victim impact statement.

559
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 12: Several times she stressed that Jurn is a killer and

560
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 12: that he terminated BET's daughter's potential, her dreams and possibilities

561
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 12: when he bludgeoned her to death. Now again, everything that

562
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 12: he told law enforcement and the court was of course

563
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 12: corroborated by a light detective test a polygraph test.

564
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 13: For her to turn around and talk to your in

565
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 13: Van der Sloot directly face to face. She reminded him

566
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 13: that you're a killer and you will always be a

567
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 13: killer and forced him to wonder how he would react

568
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 13: if someone did to his daughter what he did to

569
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 13: Natalie and Stephanie Flores five years later to the day,

570
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 13: both for the same reasons.

571
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: So My question is when the dust is settled and

572
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: Beth goes back home, what will her life be like now?

573
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: Because her last twenty years have been seeking justice and

574
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: will Aruba act last? Will we ever find Natalie's remains.

575
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 3: Let's start with you, Cheryl.

576
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 7: We're not going to find Natalie's remains because they were

577
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 7: in the ocean. You've got turtles, you've got sharks, you've

578
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 7: got the water fish. It's done, and that's okay Beth.

579
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 7: I think on some level she's known that. Now she

580
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 7: can take that and prayerfully, find peace and move toward

581
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 7: what she said today in her statement. She's got grandchildren,

582
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 7: her son, She's going to focus on that.

583
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 8: She's going to focus on her students.

584
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 7: And I pray for her this piece because she wears

585
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 7: that bracelet you know, hope, faith, in love.

586
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 8: She's got all of that.

587
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 7: And she said Natalie is for ever eighteen and I

588
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 7: just hope that's what she's got for that.

589
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 3: In the courtroom. I heard her say that in the courtroom.

590
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: But I am telling you, when you have your child

591
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: snatched away from you, you will never have peace.

592
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you, mouth.

593
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 9: Thoughts, keep your eye on Vanderschletten this is what I think.

594
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 9: I think that he loves being in the center, in

595
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 9: the spotlight, wherever he wherever he winds up planted. It

596
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 9: would not surprise me at all to see him continue

597
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 9: to try to bait people, particularly those in Aruba perhaps

598
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 9: and maybe people here, in order to get back into

599
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 9: that spotlight. And this is what I do know. I

600
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 9: don't believe anything that proceeds out of his mouth. So

601
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 9: you have to have investigators like we've seen demonstrated here

602
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 9: today Nancy, that can corroborate these things that he has

603
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 9: put forth, and they've done a jam up job at

604
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 9: this point. Let's see what the future holes relative to him,

605
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 9: because he's cool in his heell somewhere, and he's desiring

606
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 9: to get beyond this weight that's going to be placed

607
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 9: on him in this environment.

608
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: And to one of best's very dearest friends who went

609
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: with Cheryl and myself to Aruba, wait where were you

610
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: when I was getting arrested hiding in the car with Cheryl.

611
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 3: I was running from the back trying to get there.

612
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: Right I turned around, I can see as ruin and

613
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: elbows from those two running and Beth and I were

614
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: there getting handcuffs thrown on us. But that said, let

615
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: bygones be by gones. I'm just thinking about Beth tonight

616
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: when we all go home to our families and I

617
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: go home to my little girl and my big boy

618
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: and my husband. Beth is going home with the memory,

619
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 2: just the memory of Natalie. And I can tell you

620
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,479
Speaker 2: we're going to be praying so hard for her tonight.

621
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: And she bought a good face in the courtroom. She says, Natalie,

622
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: as Cheryl just said, will be forever eighteen, forever beautiful,

623
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: forever hopeful, forever full potential. But in the dark hours

624
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 2: of the night, I wonder how she's going to get

625
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: through that now that this part of her life, this

626
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: quest is over for now, And that's.

627
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 6: What I was going to say, Nancy, We're just going

628
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 6: to continue to shower our love on her as a family,

629
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 6: as a school family that we are. Beth has so

630
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 6: many friends and so many people that care about her

631
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 6: in our county and in our community and feel for her,

632
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 6: and they want to love on her and shower her

633
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 6: with love.

634
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 5: And her students love her, Oh.

635
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 6: My goodness, the students just absolutely love her. And I

636
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 6: think that's one thing that's going to get her through

637
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 6: these long days and.

638
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: Not you know, another thing that I want to pass

639
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: on to her is that there are a lot of

640
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: mothers and a lot of fathers across our great country

641
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: that are suffering because their child is missing or has

642
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: been killed, and Beth really is an example for them

643
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: that they can go on and that no matter.

644
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 3: How long it takes, you can get justice.

645
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: I know it's cold comfort sometimes that you can get

646
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 2: justice for your child. So that's a big burden to

647
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 2: put on her shoulders, but it's already on there.

648
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 3: I didn't put it on her.

649
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 8: It's on It's not for her. We wouldn't be here.

650
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: It's not for her continued quest to find out what

651
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: happened to Natalie, we would not have this day in court.

652
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 3: So the prosecutors, the investigators.

653
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: The polygraphers, they all did their part, but we would

654
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: not be here without Natalie's mother, Beth. Take a listen

655
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 2: to what Beth said outside the courthouse.

656
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 5: It phil's victorious.

657
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 4: I feel like you finally behave and to transition from

658
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 4: the victim to the victor, and it begins to make

659
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 4: the pain and suffering feel somewhat less intense because you

660
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 4: are here, You are at this point, the pinnacle of

661
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 4: the journey, and you've gotten justice and you've gotten the

662
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 4: answers you've been so desperately seeking.

663
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 5: So it felt victorious. I was able to tell you

664
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 5: run that I think.

665
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 4: In this long ending nightmare, he was able to express

666
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 4: things to him that I had been wanting to tell

667
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 4: him as far as you know, telling him who he.

668
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 5: Is, and he is a killer. He is a killer.

669
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 4: He will always be the killer. He will always be

670
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 4: now the black mark in Aruba. He's now confessed to

671
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 4: two murders. So that was good for me to be.

672
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 5: Able to tell him that, Intershare. I don't really look.

673
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 4: At it as saying goodbye to Natalie, because we wake

674
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 4: up every morning and our and the hope that filled

675
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 4: her her life and heart feels ours today. So I

676
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 4: feel like we carry Natalie with us, been forward now.

677
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 5: And that's good. That's a that's a very good feeling.

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00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: Like I said, it feels victorious tonight. If you're listening

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00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 2: right now, say prayer for her.

680
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 3: And her family.

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00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 4: Natalie was a very bright, very smart, dedicated young lady.

682
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 5: She was on her way to college.

683
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 4: She was headed to medical school after that, and I

684
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,439
Speaker 4: have no doubt she would have made it all the way.

685
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 5: So we love her.

686
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 4: We miss her very much, and we wake up every

687
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 4: morning with thoughts of Natalie. But now we wake up

688
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 4: knowing that we have we have reached justice for Natalie.

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00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 5: She was surely the best sister I could have ever

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00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 5: asked for.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely Goodbye, Fa