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Speaker 1: It is August one, twenty twenty four. The Major League

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Speaker 1: Baseball trade deadline has come and gone, and we are

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Speaker 1: going to dissect all of it for you guys here

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Speaker 1: on Fish Unfiltered.

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Speaker 2: My name is.

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Speaker 1: Isaacazout, joined as always by my co host Kevin Barrall.

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Speaker 1: Eli Susman is here as well. We have a very

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Speaker 1: special guest, mister Craig Mish Craig. We appreciate you taking

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Speaker 1: the time to join us once again. How are you

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Speaker 1: doing today.

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Speaker 3: It's an annual tradition of me joining you guys here

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Speaker 3: on the stream and talking about the trade deadline. And

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Speaker 3: I don't know, and we can do this for hours

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Speaker 3: today I know, a little bit more limited time than usual,

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Speaker 3: but you know, naturally, it's always great to be with

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Speaker 3: you guys and get into it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well you said it, so let's get right into it.

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Speaker 1: And I think we got to start with just the

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Speaker 1: volume of trades that occurred, not just with the Marlins,

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Speaker 1: but across Major League Baseball. I have to ask, you've

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Speaker 1: been doing this for a long time, as long as

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Speaker 1: I can remember. This has to have been one of

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Speaker 1: the busiest trade deadlines in recent memory. Is this the

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Speaker 1: busiest you've ever been on a trade deadline day?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean nothing even comes close. Like I

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Speaker 3: don't know that I was sitting there back when they

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Speaker 3: a few months after. I don't think that I was.

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Speaker 3: I was always like doing some of this stuff, but

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Speaker 3: I don't think that day I was sitting there like

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Speaker 3: breaking news. I don't even remember how that was going

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Speaker 3: back then in twenty eleven or twenty twelve, and then

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Speaker 3: in ninety seven. I remember when they traded all those

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Speaker 3: guys in ninety eight. I don't know what I was watching,

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Speaker 3: but I remember watching him trade one by one at

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Speaker 3: the Winter Meetings in ninety eight. I do remember that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it was on ESPN or wherever

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Speaker 3: it was, but yeah, as far as I am concerned, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I've I've said this. I said this was on another podcast,

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Speaker 3: that this was the craziest transaction day ever, without a doubt,

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Speaker 3: the craziest day ever in Marlin's history. Crazy maybe is

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Speaker 3: not the best word for it, but it was when

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Speaker 3: Jose Fernandez died. I'll never forget that one because before

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Speaker 3: the news came out, hours before I had known. So

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Speaker 3: it was just like sort of a shocking, crazy day

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Speaker 3: as far as your answer is concerned, yes, craziest trade deadline,

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Speaker 3: not even close. This was the craziest.

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Speaker 4: Marlin's made a lot of moves, as we know, as

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Speaker 4: you know for the YouTube viewers, you could see the

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Speaker 4: the graphic there a lot, very nice. Yeah. Yeah, but Craig,

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Speaker 4: you know, after looking at all these moves, is there

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Speaker 4: one specifically that kind of took you by surprise that

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Not really, not really, no, No, I mean all the

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Speaker 3: names that were were traded in some way we're discussed.

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Speaker 3: I guess I could say Chargois like I, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that he was going to be traded,

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Speaker 3: or Brasa Man, like I guess everybody was in play.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I was a little surprised with them, but no,

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Speaker 3: another one, and another one another one. Yes, that was surprising,

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Speaker 3: But No, I was not surprised that any of the

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Speaker 5: Traded well, briefly Craig turning the other way. About the

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Speaker 5: few guys remaining, I guess specifically, declan Cronin is a

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Speaker 5: how come they weren't able to find a home for him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know the answer to that. I don't

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Speaker 3: want to speculate because it's not fair. But here's what

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Speaker 3: I would say eli to that. I don't know that

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Speaker 3: How many phones can you be on? How many texts

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Speaker 3: more organized than any trade deadline they've had in the

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Speaker 3: They had a plan, and they executed it. I tried

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Speaker 3: I don't know why Cronin wasn't traded. I don't know

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Speaker 3: why there was another relief picture. Yeah, Phauchet, I'm surprised

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Speaker 3: everybody else. So maybe there just came a point where

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Speaker 4: I don't know when you say organized, though, real quick,

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Speaker 4: I guess when you say organized, where does that come

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I had heard that last year's trade deadline

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Speaker 3: what I had heard. It's just like so many things

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Speaker 3: proper trades weren't made, but I had just heard that

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Speaker 1: I guess you got to give credit to the President

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Speaker 1: of Baseball Operations in that case, because he is the

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Speaker 1: one running the show. And one of the bigger trades

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Speaker 1: junior trade. And there's a lot to dissect with this

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Speaker 1: I don't think that was ever on the table. If

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 1: So then came the reports that a lot of teams

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Speaker 2: He ended up being traded to the Yankees.

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Speaker 1: I want to know your thoughts on that trade in particular,

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Speaker 3: Uh, there's no question that other general managers and executives

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Speaker 3: There's no question about that. That's undeniable. I heard that directly.

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Speaker 3: So there's no Isaac, there's no jockeying for value. That's

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Speaker 3: not all of them, but some of them, the same

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Speaker 3: were going to get back a prominent catcher. They looked

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Speaker 1: Well, why Jazz particular, do you think because there are

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Speaker 3: They just didn't view him as an extension candidate. And

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Speaker 3: they saw with Jazz, same thought process with Luis Rayas

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Speaker 3: maybe this is the very best right now peak that

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and then just looking at the Trevor Rogers strade,

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Speaker 6: just you get some work at third base. What did

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Speaker 6: you think of that trade? And just yeah, just overall,

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Speaker 4: The way it moved, it felt like there are some

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Speaker 4: for the other two teams you mentioned in your herald piece.

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Speaker 6: And was this by far the best Dela got for

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Speaker 3: I don't call myself smart enough to know prospects or

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Speaker 3: thought that that was a good trade. The Marlins trading

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Speaker 3: And as far as Tours is concerned, he's got the

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Speaker 3: that fixed. But let's be real, guys, the other side

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Speaker 3: of this is that Trevor Rodgers, while he's been an

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Speaker 3: and next, he's not the same guy that he was

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Speaker 3: a few years ago. He's just not. So the Marlins

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Speaker 3: made him available, a lot of teams were interested, three

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Speaker 5: It was the Orioles right, and it is the other

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Speaker 1: You sort of alluded to a trade close to six pm.

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Speaker 3: I was wrong. I was wrong.

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Speaker 2: If you can.

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Speaker 1: Touch on what potential trade that was, there's no trade. Oh,

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Speaker 1: there's no trade now that were there any other ones

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Speaker 2: That you know.

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Speaker 3: Anything is possible. I mean, Wan Soda was traded from

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Speaker 3: him this season. I don't know that it was a guarantee, guys,

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00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,920
Speaker 3: but just from trading de la Cruz and Dane Meyer's

436
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,119
Speaker 3: being hurt and Jazz being out the door. I mean,

437
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,159
Speaker 3: at this point it does make sense. He's been with

438
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 3: the organization long enough. It's time to see what they have.

439
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 3: I think that they will do that. I can't say

440
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 3: when or how, but that will be probably, in my opinion,

441
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,959
Speaker 3: the best last game of the season. Whenever that happens,

442
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,680
Speaker 3: that's going to be a really special day.

443
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 5: And Craig, we're on the verge of updating our Marlin's

444
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 5: prospects list, and it is going to look a whole

445
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 5: lot different with all these additions, just from what you

446
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 5: were hearing about all these guys coming in. Is there

447
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 5: one guy in particular that you think the organization now

448
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:21,159
Speaker 5: values as the biggest addition among whether it's still as

449
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 5: Santos or Norby or Ramirez or there's a whole lot

450
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Speaker 5: of different directions. Is there one that you think the

451
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 5: organization is most excited about, most hopeful about.

452
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,199
Speaker 3: Right, realistically, Ramirez would be at the top, and then

453
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 3: Norby would be second, and then you can debate everybody

454
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 3: else from there. I don't think that there's clear consensus

455
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 3: as far as that is concerned. But those two definitely,

456
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 3: as far as Dello Santo's probably comes third. But I

457
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 3: think that you could say that maybe one of the

458
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 3: players of the Padres trade or so tours. But I

459
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,439
Speaker 3: would tell you this, which is this is obviously we

460
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 3: don't know the answer to this, and we'll find out

461
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 3: in the future. But I personally think that they liked

462
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 3: this pitcher shim more than all of the other players

463
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 3: that we've talked about, Like they have been after this guy.

464
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 3: So I don't know, and I don't think that they

465
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:19,919
Speaker 3: know if he's going to work out, but there seemed

466
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 3: to be some consensus that this was a huge shot player,

467
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 3: star type player that maybe could happen. They were really,

468
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 3: really after the player. I think they recognize that deal

469
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,959
Speaker 3: with Dela Cruz as a potential loss. I think they

470
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 3: understand that, but it was worth taking a shot on

471
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 3: that kind of talent. That's what I heard.

472
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Speaker 2: You mentioned in your herald piece.

473
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: Great article, by the way, that the Reds were willing

474
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Speaker 1: to part with one of their top pitching prospects.

475
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 2: Just curious. Did it happen to be read Louder.

476
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not ready to be able to do that yet.

477
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 3: At some point, I promise I will I got to

478
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 3: get the ability to not get anybody angry yet, So

479
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 3: but at some point I'll talk about it.

480
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 2: I will.

481
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 3: I always do. You guys know that in time, I will.

482
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 3: We're not out of the woods on that yet for

483
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 3: me being able to do it. But I did say pitcher,

484
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 3: so you guys can have fun with that and speculate

485
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 3: with that. That's co fir.

486
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, it kind of feels like we always ask you

487
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 4: this every time we have you on, but I think

488
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 4: we have to do it again now. Kind of looking

489
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 4: at this current team, maybe not too many extension candidates,

490
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 4: maybe more of a pitcher. Is there any extension candidate

491
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 4: at all right now in this organization? I'll extend it

492
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 4: out to the miners because he had mentioned maybe you

493
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 4: could get one of those pre or deals.

494
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Speaker 6: Maybe down the line he could. But is there absolutely

495
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 6: anybody that maybe they could even consider, you know, handing

496
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 6: that extension too.

497
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 3: Well, Look, if they follow the Rays model and Norby

498
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 3: looks like a really good player, that's the kind of

499
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 3: guy that you could see them saying, hey, let's let's

500
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,719
Speaker 3: give this guy a raise type extension, so that that

501
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 3: would be to me the one I don't know about

502
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: Dello Santos, yet I still think there's a lot of

503
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 3: work to do. But he would be one, and then

504
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 3: the obvious one would be Ury Perez. So to me,

505
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 3: that would be the smartest direction to go. But I

506
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 3: think in fairness to them, generally Tommy John surgery is

507
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 3: of a very high success rate of the player coming back.

508
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 3: But I think they got to be just sure that

509
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 3: that's the way it's going to be. But unfortunately we

510
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 3: won't know about that until you know, May, I guess

511
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 3: up next year. I don't. I don't know what the

512
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 3: projection is, but I think may is probably fair.

513
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 5: You don't think that this may be not to overreact

514
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 5: to a really small sample, but maybe Xavier Edwards at

515
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 5: four hundred all of last month. It is probably not

516
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 5: a short stop, but it looks like he could hit

517
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 5: in the big leagues. That'd be another pre ARB guy.

518
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 5: Do you think has he has he really changed any

519
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 5: opinions of him in the ORG just by how really

520
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 5: amazing he's been even he's been great.

521
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, he's been great. And to think that the

522
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 3: Marlins almost traded him last year to the now, well,

523
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: I don't want to say that that's not fair that's

524
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 3: going too far. The Marlins could have traded him last

525
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 3: year to the Nationals. Uh, that's who the Nationals wanted

526
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 3: for Candelario. So so Marlins would have gotten Candelario, the

527
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 3: Nationals would have gotten Edwards. But the Marlins didn't do

528
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 3: that deal. So that's something I don't think that I've

529
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 3: reported before. There you go, may maybe you guys something good. Right,

530
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 3: So so the good thing that they didn't do that

531
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 3: because he looks like an everyday player, you know. I

532
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 3: want to go back on that because when he was

533
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 3: playing shortstop, I think I was a little too tough

534
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 3: and I said, ah, this guy can't play short I

535
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 3: think I said something about that. He's looked a lot better.

536
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 3: He's changed my mind a little bit. I don't know that,

537
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 3: as you said, he's a full time shortstop there. I

538
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 3: haven't seen as he'd gotten the significant amount of chances

539
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 3: there to make hard plays and stuff. I don't know.

540
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 3: I haven't watched as closely.

541
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, he still he doesn't have an arm for

542
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 5: stsp but and he's you know, it's like he can

543
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 5: thake it. He's like the textbook example of somebody that

544
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 5: as long as it's hit to him like he is

545
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 5: really good hands. He does a lot of the little things.

546
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 5: It's just that are going to be extra outs given me.

547
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 3: And look, they don't really have a third baseman and

548
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 3: they don't really have a shortstop. So maybe that's why

549
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 3: Norby is going down to play there, and maybe they

550
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 3: think Edwards can play second for them full time. So

551
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 3: if you speculate on next year, maybe opening day you

552
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: have Dello Santos at first and Edwards at second, and

553
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: some free agent not named Anderson at short, and then

554
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 3: nor Be at third and Burger at DH. I'm not

555
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 3: saying that's great, but I'm just saying that that's kind

556
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 3: of how it could set up. And you would look

557
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 3: at that and go, you know, that seems not losing

558
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty. So yeah, and not the worst,

559
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 3: not the worst thing, but again at a lot of

560
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 3: young guys here and so like between. You know, so

561
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 3: if if you have del Santo's at first and nor

562
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 3: Be a third, odds of both of them being really

563
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 3: good next year is fifty to fifty would you'd be

564
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 3: happy with that? So I don't want to overstate how

565
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 3: awesome it is to be playing guys who have never

566
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 3: played the game four or five next year, but I

567
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 3: think you're going to get a season of development in

568
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five.

569
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 5: Just one last one from me and touched on it

570
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 5: in general. But this is obviously Peter Bendicks's first deadline

571
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 5: in charge and much different circumstance than last year. I

572
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 5: know you take pride in getting to know these people. Well,

573
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 5: just following the news, what have you learned to this

574
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 5: point about Peter Bendix and whether it's personal stuff or

575
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 5: just anything he may do differently as a front off

576
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 5: executive than what Marlins were used to before he came aboard.

577
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I really appreciate you saying that, Eli, because

578
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 3: that is really true. I do take pride on getting

579
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 3: to know these people as much as I can. It's

580
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: been harder for me just with life. I have a

581
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 3: daughter getting ready to and my son playing baseball, and

582
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: a family to run here and you know parents too,

583
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 3: one of them not doing really well at all. So

584
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 3: that's just part of why I've pulled back a little bit.

585
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 3: But like, I don't know that I could sit here

586
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 3: and do what I do at all without getting to

587
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 3: know the people that are in charge, like a little

588
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 3: bit at least you know, like I just I've never

589
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 3: found that to be fair to be saying that a

590
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 3: guy is great or a guy stinks without like meeting

591
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 3: this person. And then I'm not talking about like doing

592
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 3: the media stuff. I'm talking about like outside of that.

593
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 3: So you know what I could share with Peter about this,

594
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 3: this whole entire thing, is that there there really is

595
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 3: no mean, he has a plan of what he wants

596
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 3: to do, but there really is no black and white

597
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 3: like the trade deadline presented itself in a way that

598
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 3: and I believe he said this the other day too,

599
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 3: that they were maybe not apprized, but pleased at the

600
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 3: fact that there were just so many players that they

601
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: acquired that are more major league ready than what they thought.

602
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: And before the deadline, when I spoke to him about that,

603
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 3: he told me, it's going to be the best players.

604
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 3: So if the best players are in single A in

605
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 3: the Dominican Prospect League, that's who we're going to go for.

606
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 3: If it's the best players in double A, then that's

607
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 3: what we're going to go for. So I remember even

608
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 3: saying it could be a combination of both, it could

609
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 3: end up being one or the other. But they're not

610
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 3: going to be picky about it. I think he firmly

611
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: believed that the minor league system was extremely poor and

612
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: had to be redone and once the players just started

613
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 3: presenting themselves to him, I think that he just did

614
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 3: all those deals. So I think everything went to as plan,

615
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 3: and all the players they got in return were targeted players,

616
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: and the one deal again, all of them all by

617
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 3: the way of them all, because I think all the

618
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 3: other ones haven't been panned by almost anybody, but the

619
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 3: one deal that you question a little bit, and it's

620
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 3: fair to do it, it's fair to be critical. I

621
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 3: would be critical to him on it was Dela Cruz

622
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 3: because not that the player is great, but like why now,

623
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 3: Like why not in the off season? Why now? Next

624
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 3: trade deadline? Like why you know? Because it on paper,

625
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: it really doesn't appear that they got much there at all.

626
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,959
Speaker 3: Like it's true, but that was the big swing at

627
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 3: the trade deadline there. So we may look back in

628
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 3: a couple of years and say they got nothing for

629
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 3: Dela Cruz, But we also would look back and say

630
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 3: they got a lot more for an expiring contract on

631
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: Yumi Garcia than we ever would have thought. And regardless

632
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 3: of what comes back because in the end, that's how

633
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 3: that whole deal was tied.

634
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: Right, And you say that because you're the whole industry

635
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: is just not very certain on shim being able to

636
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: stay healthy.

637
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: Is that a concern? Is that the main concern?

638
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 3: Major concern, Yeah, major concern from everybody, right. But in

639
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 3: doing the research and speaking to two people this if

640
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 3: he went back a year or two ago and said

641
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 3: that the Marlins could potentially get this guy in a

642
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 3: trade for Brian de la Cruz, there was no chance whatsoever.

643
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 3: That's how coveted this guy was. It has gone completely

644
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 3: the other way now and it may stay that way.

645
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 3: I think we have to call it what it is.

646
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 3: There's a possibility that the player is just too hurt

647
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 3: to be effective, shoulder arm, whatever it is. But there's

648
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 3: also that chance that they hit a not just a

649
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 3: home run or a Grand Slam, So we could end

650
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 3: up panning the deal easily in a year and saying, hey,

651
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 3: guy never worked out. What did they give up? They

652
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 3: give up Brian dela Cruz. They did not value dela

653
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 3: Cruz in a way that other teams did. And we're

654
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 3: fielding offers not just from the Pirates on him too,

655
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 3: but that player, Shim was also a player that they

656
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 3: would have wanted in the Jazz deal. It wouldn't have

657
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: been the primary, but they would have wanted him in

658
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 3: the Jazz deal too, not that they ever got to that,

659
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 3: but they had been targeting him.

660
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: Is there any way you can touch on the catcher

661
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,239
Speaker 1: who maybe they wanted from the Pirates or the It

662
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: was more it.

663
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 3: Was more on the Royals than it was on the Pirates.

664
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: It was more on the Royals. The Royals had three catchers.

665
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 3: It's a little bit convoluted. So when Peter was speaking

666
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 3: to other general managers in the game that I've spoken to,

667
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 3: catcher came up a lot. Yeah, on a lot of

668
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 3: different teams. I'm not sure that the Pirates were really

669
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 3: one of those, but I know that the Royals were.

670
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 3: And the Royals have three pretty high end catching prospects.

671
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: One is their very best, yeah, and then they had

672
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 3: another one that was taken a couple of years ago,

673
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 3: and even another one right behind him. And the way

674
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 3: that Kansas City, I guess was looking at it was

675
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 3: when they were taking those catchers was Salvador Prez is

676
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 3: not gonna be around very long, and here he still

677
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 3: is and I think he's going to catch next year

678
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 3: two for them, so that I think maybe they were

679
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 3: looking at it like all right, like we can trade

680
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 3: one of these three. But their entire package was not

681
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 3: as good as the Yankees one. And I think they

682
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: liked Ramirez better as a hitter than the other catchers

683
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: involved with Kansas City. And again New York's package was

684
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 3: just superior to Kansas City?

685
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: Was it the top one? Blake Mitchell, I don't, I don't,

686
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: I don't.

687
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 3: I don't know exactly do I know that I have

688
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 3: to go back and check my notes on that. I don't.

689
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 3: I don't think.

690
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: So okay, fair enough, unless Kevin has anything else, I

691
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: think we can call it already. Craig, Well, actually, I

692
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: do want.

693
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: To ask what I got about ten minutes. If you

694
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 3: guys need anything.

695
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: Will we ever see Troy Johnson in a big league uniform?

696
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I mean I asked,

697
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 3: I mean, look, we all root for these guys. I

698
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: understand that you know, this is this is how many.

699
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 3: This is a third president or general manager that's sort

700
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: of not giving him a chance here. So he's a

701
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 3: great kid, and he's handling this better than anybody could

702
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 3: have potentially handled it. So but he just he continues

703
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 3: to not get an opportunity, and they they we brought

704
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 3: somebody in now that's going to block him at first base.

705
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 3: I know they have said that, Dello says. I think

706
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 3: Peterman have said that that Dello Santo's can play third

707
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 3: and he's athletic. Maybe they'll give him a chance. There.

708
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 3: The people that I've talked to in the industry about

709
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 3: that specific player, none of them believe he's a third baseman.

710
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 3: But maybe so maybe he'll end up being Everyone says

711
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: he projects as a first baseman, by the way, can

712
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 3: play first base, not somebody that's just like a first

713
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 3: baseman can end up at DH. They think he could

714
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 3: play first base.

715
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 5: Yes, exactly my thoughts. I studied this as well. I

716
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 5: watched too much of him. He's a solid first baseman.

717
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 5: He does not know how to throw from third, so

718
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 5: that's not good.

719
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that that's gonna happen. But you're right, Eli,

720
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 3: I look, and again I don't know. I'm not a

721
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 3: prospect expert. Again, you know, bless all those people who

722
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: are doing that. I don't pretend to know. I have

723
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 3: to lean on other people for this information. Spoke to

724
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 3: about every single one of these guys that they got

725
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 3: extensively this this player in particular. I got the positives,

726
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 3: I got the negatives. They all think he's going to

727
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 3: get a chance to play at first base. One comp

728
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 3: that I had heard, like like a worst case scenario

729
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 3: would be he ends up like fran mil reyis. That's

730
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 3: what that was the name of animal right where fran

731
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: Milrays came up. Remember he busted on the scene. He

732
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: had thirty home runs. He had thirty home runs. Again,

733
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: whoever sold high on him, I forget it was Cleveland

734
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: or San Diego. And then that was it and he

735
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 3: sort of, you know, went into oblivion. He played a

736
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,479
Speaker 3: number of years. But again I guess I guys would

737
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 3: ask you this that if if this guy Dello Santos

738
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 3: came up next year and he had thirty home runs,

739
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 3: and then the next year he had thirty home runs

740
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: and did nothing. Ever, again, you may say, wow, that

741
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 3: was a good trade. Like you may say, hey, thirty

742
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 3: home runs two years. I mean, Hayesus Aguilar had a

743
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 3: couple of really good years too, maybe two, maybe three.

744
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 3: So I don't know if that's necessarily the comp They

745
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 3: probably would not agree with that and think that he's better,

746
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 3: but I had heard that. And also Ray is a

747
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 3: much taller player to less defense without a doubt than

748
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 3: Delo Santos.

749
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, And I guess one thing that we could touch.

750
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: We alluded to it for a long time that all

751
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: of these guys are getting best player available, whether it's

752
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: in the draft, whether it's in trades, and a lot

753
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: of these guys the best players available happened to be

754
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: very close to the big leagues knocking on the door.

755
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: And the fact that they should.

756
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: Be ready to contribute in twenty twenty five, and the

757
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: fact that you're gonna have Sandy and Yuri Aluzardo and

758
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: Weathers and all these other guys ready.

759
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: Is there a.

760
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: Glimpse of hope that they could be somewhat competitive in

761
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five?

762
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: Does that change they they could be.

763
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 3: Better, Maybe they could be better, but you look at

764
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 3: the there's just gonna be I mean, Isaac, the thing

765
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 3: is is that we're going to be excited because it's

766
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: going to be spring training and there's going to be

767
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 3: like seven guys that are going to be clobbering the

768
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: ball and We're going to think that five of them

769
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 3: are starting, and that just generally doesn't work in the

770
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 3: big leagues. You can't start that many rookies and succeed.

771
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 3: But if just a couple end up being good out

772
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 3: of those, it gives you hope for twenty twenty six.

773
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 3: And I think that that's you know, kind of the

774
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 3: hope there. So I mean, look, you rule nothing out,

775
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 3: but we also have to, you know, call this what

776
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: it is to If hazeslus Lozarda was healthy, he would

777
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: have been traded. If Hazes LuSE Lozardo comes back in

778
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 3: September and looks awesome, guys, he's probably gonna get traded

779
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 3: in the offseason.

780
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: I mean that's true.

781
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: I mean, this is this is where they're at. So

782
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 3: I think the hope that you hope that if I

783
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: was a fan, what I would come out of this

784
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 3: thinking is maybe Craig was wrong about them going after

785
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: all these single A guys and not being good maybe

786
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 3: for four or five years, and maybe this only takes

787
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 3: a couple of years if all things work out. One

788
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 3: general manager ex general manager told me this, which was

789
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 3: he was very specific on this. The reason why this

790
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 3: deadline for the Marlins was important and also now a

791
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 3: little risky because again so many high end guys. Is

792
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 3: because if the Marlins find themselves, let's say they win Miami,

793
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 3: how many wins are they going on pace to win?

794
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 3: Sixty two? Is that fair? Are they going to live

795
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 3: than lower? Okay? Let's say they win sixty games the

796
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 3: Marlins this year. Okay, Now, let's say that next year

797
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 3: they improved by ten games. That's a lot. Yeah, but

798
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 3: seventy wins they're going to be doing wanting to do

799
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 3: the same thing at next year's trade deadline, And one

800
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 3: ex general manager told me, he said, Craig, they're not

801
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 3: going to have those players at the deadline next year

802
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 3: to do what they're doing right now because they're going

803
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: to be playing a lot of these young guys. Now,

804
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 3: maybe they have a pitcher or two to do something,

805
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 3: but make no mistake about it, they're not going to

806
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 3: have the same assets to do that. So that's why

807
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 3: all of these players that they got back in return,

808
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 3: a few of them have to hit. Also, that same

809
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 3: person told me that Serna was the most bonafided major

810
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: league player, maybe of all the guys. He thought that

811
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: Serna was going to end up not being a superstar,

812
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 3: but he like said, guarantee big league players.

813
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 5: Too.

814
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, that guy is going to be playing

815
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 3: in Major League Baseball, playing and utility starter in the infield.

816
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 3: Somebody gets hurt that guy ends up playing one hundred games,

817
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty games. Really was a fan of

818
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 3: that player.

819
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 2: I think they'll have some guys. I don't think they'll

820
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: have the same time.

821
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have the best closer in baseball available

822
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: next year, but they will have Ryan Weathers, Jake Berger,

823
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 1: and Drew Nardi Calvin Fosche available in next year's deadline.

824
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 3: How does that sound to you versus this year?

825
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 2: Isaaca?

826
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: Not quite not close. But they they will have some guys.

827
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: But I understand where they'll have some.

828
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 3: But you cannot compare trading Jazz Chisholm junior and trading

829
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 3: a starting pitcher with control out of regardless of it

830
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,479
Speaker 3: with Trevor Rodgers. Uh, you know, and and and Josh

831
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 3: Bell didn't work out. But you know before the year,

832
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: Josh Bell like, these are major league players, Brian de

833
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 3: the Cruz, They're just look he made look he the

834
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 3: person who told me is not right all the time.

835
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying, nobody is by the way, although

836
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 3: some people will tell you that they're right all the time,

837
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 3: but no, they're not. So I think that there there,

838
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 3: they'll have some players, Isaac. But you know, why didn't

839
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 3: Foe get traded? Now? If he was so you know, good,

840
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 3: where was the value there? If what I thought Crona

841
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 3: would definitely get traded, why didn't he get traded now?

842
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 3: Why didn't teams want him as badly?

843
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: Now?

844
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 3: It's not that they're like preserving him for next year.

845
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 3: We know that that's not the case. So they'll have

846
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 3: some But getting Lozardo healthy and getting him and getting

847
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: a package back for him, I think that's probably the

848
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 3: next the next course of action.

849
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 2: I agree it should be a lot of fun.

850
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: I think the twenty twenty five draft is going to

851
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: be make it or break it Ethan Holidays on the board.

852
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: Let's hope they get the number one overall pick here.

853
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: But that's that's probably.

854
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 2: An off season pod for you and us.

855
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: You know, you know the new rules with that, right

856
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: you guys have talked.

857
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 2: About this, Yeah, the which part of it?

858
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: The lottery?

859
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course I was at the lottery last year.

860
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: The winter meetings.

861
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 3: So who's going to have the best chance at the

862
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 3: number one pick this year?

863
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 5: At this moment, Marlins are tied for having the best

864
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 5: odds there, but it's only twenty three persons with.

865
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: Colorado, right, yeah, right, and the White Sox can't because

866
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: this year or next year.

867
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 3: That's very important to note. Yeah, so Miami has an

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Speaker 3: opportunity to get the number one pick two years in

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Speaker 3: a row, so that would be this year and next

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Speaker 3: year if that happens, and then that's it. So that's

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Speaker 3: why when you look at this thing, it really isn't

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Speaker 3: a lot of incentive to do what the Orioles did

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Speaker 3: or the Cubs did or some of these other teams did,

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Speaker 3: because you're just not going to get the number one

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Speaker 3: overall pick. Now, even the opportunity to try for it,

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Speaker 3: there's some merit to that, but if you can't get

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Speaker 3: it at all, there's no merit to tanking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree, Greig, Thank you very much for

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Speaker 1: this very long episode. We appreciate the time as always

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Speaker 1: for Kevin, for Eli, for myself or Craig. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for listening, and as always, go Fish