Speaker 1: Warning today's episode. Can you spoilers for Daredevil board Again,
Speaker 1: Season two, episode four be warned. Hello and it is
Speaker 1: Jason Stepson. I'm Razy Night and welcome back to xt Revision,
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Speaker 2: It's the Devil. Devil two oh four.
Speaker 4: Oh baby, It's a great episode for me personally.
Speaker 3: It's a crazy one.
Speaker 4: This is a wild episode that I think the Netflix
Speaker 4: lovers will love and I too loved it and we
Speaker 4: will be recapping it.
Speaker 3: It is called gloves Often.
Speaker 4: It the comic book action gets comic book guys, and
Speaker 4: of course then we'll be bringing in stup and producer
Speaker 4: Aaron and probably boxing referee Aaron for our discussion on
Speaker 4: this episode.
Speaker 1: The first, let's get into it. Daredevil born a in
Speaker 1: episode two or four Gloves Off. We open with Decks
Speaker 1: making breakfast, making his bed, living just like a normal guy.
Speaker 1: To Bellageles New York state of mind. He heads out,
Speaker 1: gives a bumma dime, arrives at a local diner. He's
Speaker 1: a just an open hearted serial killer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, never done anything wrong in his life.
Speaker 1: He asks the lady at the counter, like, what do
Speaker 1: you recommend? She's like, we do a great milkshake. He's like,
Speaker 1: giving the milkshake. Then he calls nine to one one
Speaker 1: and says, hey, I just saw the punisher enter a diner,
Speaker 1: and he gives them the address where he is at.
Speaker 1: Task Wor shows up and of course Dex kills them
Speaker 1: all with four kind knives, a toothpick, and a lobster tail.
Speaker 4: He kills a guy with a love he kills a
Speaker 4: guy with the loves to tail, and then he squirts
Speaker 4: in catch up the ball's eye logo on the door,
Speaker 4: and my.
Speaker 2: Ooh, it's so good good.
Speaker 4: And my favorite moment as well, he has so much
Speaker 4: fun saying it is when one of the non Task
Speaker 4: Force members, because Dex only kills ice agents, I mean
Speaker 4: tight Taskforce members, he only kills them, and he said, hey,
Speaker 4: don't bring a dog into a diner. That's unhygienic, and
Speaker 4: the customer goes, please don't kill me, and he goes.
Speaker 2: Oh, I wouldn't do that. I'm one of the good guys.
Speaker 4: And it's so good, and then he walks out and
Speaker 4: there's like forty dead Task Force members in this diner.
Speaker 4: The can I just say he compliments the waitress on
Speaker 4: a delicious milkshake which he drunk all of We wow,
Speaker 4: you can.
Speaker 1: Just say, I just want to shout out whoever it
Speaker 1: was that's eating a lobster tail, right eating the.
Speaker 4: More seriously also as welling Jason do this how many
Speaker 4: as a former New Yorker, you know this is one
Speaker 4: of those very famous locations.
Speaker 3: It's that when he walks.
Speaker 4: In, it's the classic, you know, side diner that we
Speaker 4: always see in New York, the Metal Diner. Obviously that changes,
Speaker 4: what's what's your favorite diner to eat lobster in at
Speaker 4: a am in the morning in New York?
Speaker 2: And none zero none.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, don't use it from a diner.
Speaker 2: It's not a good idea. Don't do that.
Speaker 1: We get a new Mayor Kingpin video in which the
Speaker 1: masked Mayor who we know as BBI, is talking about
Speaker 1: Fisk's upcoming boxing match and how it's a distraction from
Speaker 1: all the things that are going on and the and
Speaker 1: it's also talking about the fact that the boxing thing
Speaker 1: is is a huge like money laundering scheme.
Speaker 2: Oh, corruption in sports. I can't believe it.
Speaker 1: Karen is at the hideout filming resistant statements with the
Speaker 1: freed prisoners. Jack is there take a shower, but he's
Speaker 1: promises to help Matt. Angela offers to take Karen's SD
Speaker 1: card of the resistance videos interviews to her source. Angela
Speaker 1: is like, uh, and Angela would like to know for
Speaker 1: like the absolute million time that listen, I'm doing this
Speaker 1: for my mom.
Speaker 3: Doing it for my aunt, you know, are you doing
Speaker 3: it for my dad?
Speaker 1: And Karen is like, I don't know. It's not safe.
Speaker 1: You're four foot ten and this is very dangerous stuff.
Speaker 1: And Matt's like, yeah, let let her do it.
Speaker 2: Jesus Peace. Yeah right, yeah, she's wearing the amulet. Let
Speaker 2: her do it.
Speaker 1: And he asks her like, do you understand that this
Speaker 1: is that as Uncle Ben would.
Speaker 4: Say, I was good to say, or I I'll go
Speaker 4: bed with.
Speaker 2: With low to medium.
Speaker 1: Power comes greater responsibility than the average person. And then
Speaker 1: Matt hears something, you know, with his superhering it's somebody
Speaker 1: coming to the it's somebody coming to the hideout and
Speaker 1: it's Christophe, the first Mate, and he's here to help
Speaker 1: the resistance. Meanwhile, Vanessa takes her little gun that she
Speaker 1: got from Buck.
Speaker 3: I love that little gun.
Speaker 4: Also, like Carving, I feel like there's a plot here
Speaker 4: that we're not saying or something that's Buck is. A
Speaker 4: lot of people feel like there's a Buck Vanessa a
Speaker 4: fag going.
Speaker 2: On in the show.
Speaker 4: There's been a lot of talk about that there is
Speaker 4: a little romance there, but I feel like they're not
Speaker 4: giving us full answers.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean there there is the fact that Vanessa
Speaker 1: was like, Hey, Heather, you need a new guy. You
Speaker 1: know who's really sexy and hot? This guy Buck that
Speaker 1: so she's she's eyed him up clearly. So she takes
Speaker 1: her little gun to her meeting with the governor, and uh,
Speaker 1: Vanessa doesn't like. She tells Wilson that Wilson is sending
Speaker 1: her to meet the governor in Almony when he's got
Speaker 1: the fight. She wants to be at the fight, and
Speaker 1: he's like.
Speaker 2: You know what's true.
Speaker 5: Safety ducks is out there, gees are out there. It's
Speaker 5: going to be a major target for the vigilanties of
Speaker 5: her decks. I watched the safe.
Speaker 1: So she's like whatever. Karen interviews Christof about the boat.
Speaker 1: What was on the boat and we get we hear
Speaker 1: everything that we already know is filled with guns is
Speaker 1: filled with fake documents. All the paperwork in the on
Speaker 1: the boat was signed by Fisk personally. Why are you
Speaker 1: Here's what I don't understand, Like what you're in a
Speaker 1: freeport that's like lawless?
Speaker 2: What are they and why are you signing your name
Speaker 2: on that? What is the paper work for?
Speaker 1: Karen and Matt call in to McDuffie because you know,
Speaker 1: the statements thing is getting out of They've got real
Speaker 1: stuff now and they want to get it on the record.
Speaker 1: We also learned that the fight, the cooking in the
Speaker 1: kitchen or whatever it is, is taking place.
Speaker 2: In Matt's dad's old Jim fog.
Speaker 4: Wells insane insane behavior like this is one of the
Speaker 4: craziest most comic bookie things of all time. It's like,
Speaker 4: remember that traumatic thing that happened to your dad and
Speaker 4: where it happened. Well, guess what, We're going back there
Speaker 4: for another traumatic thing that's gonna happen to you.
Speaker 2: And I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1: So they hit so they you know, they have a
Speaker 1: they have their marching orders.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Karen will handle getting the interviews to McDuffie so that
Speaker 1: McDuffie can get them on the record.
Speaker 2: Matt will find decks for.
Speaker 1: Reasons and they trade I love yous and they leave
Speaker 1: the task Force raid McDuffie and Murdoch. Of course, I'm
Speaker 1: surprised they haven't done this before. And they're like, where's
Speaker 1: Jacques Duquine, the Swordsman? And he's not there. Of course
Speaker 1: McDuffie's like, he's not fucking here, why would he be here?
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: You guys suck.
Speaker 1: And it's very clear that Powell is doing this specifically
Speaker 1: as a message to Matt, who continues to be on
Speaker 1: the road. Fisk is pissed that all the caged people
Speaker 1: escaped from the rent. He's a black site before it
Speaker 1: blew up, and GEX is on the loose, and there's
Speaker 1: leaks coming from inside of his office that are being
Speaker 1: turned into masked videos that make him look foolish.
Speaker 2: Fisk wants all of this cleaned up.
Speaker 1: He is very very passed me whilester c not happy. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: mister Charles, who is taking on this Brad Pitt in
Speaker 1: Ocean's eleven, I'm eating all the time, right, I know
Speaker 1: he's cracking me up.
Speaker 3: That's his power play.
Speaker 1: I guess shows up and is like, hey, the guns
Speaker 1: I and we find out now this is connected to
Speaker 1: a much larger thing. I need the guns somewhere else,
Speaker 1: like they're struck at your port. You told me you
Speaker 1: would be able to transit my guns through your port
Speaker 1: so that I could get them to where I need them,
Speaker 1: and it you're slowing everything down and you're fucking my
Speaker 1: business up. And Fisk is like, well, I can't move
Speaker 1: them right now because of.
Speaker 4: This whole thing his toss for like, come on, guy.
Speaker 2: They argue about it.
Speaker 1: Mister Charles points out that you have an arrangement with
Speaker 1: like bigger dogs than you, and you better fucking go
Speaker 1: through with it.
Speaker 2: And meanwhile, you've.
Speaker 1: Got the governor breathing down your neck about the charter,
Speaker 1: and mister Charles is like, I don't think you're up
Speaker 1: to this. I frankly like we thought you were better
Speaker 1: than you are and maybe.
Speaker 2: You're just washed up.
Speaker 1: Buck reaches for his gun, but mister Charles has his
Speaker 1: guys step out of the shadows and then Buck immediately
Speaker 1: shoots the.
Speaker 2: Guys in there, like sorry.
Speaker 4: He's like, sorry, bitch, absolutely not like you hided two
Speaker 4: random guys like a miss the Sea is like, oh well,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't come here without protecting myself. A Buck's like okay, okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: and then Fisk is like, be patient, motherfucker.
Speaker 2: You at New York.
Speaker 5: Yeah, hey, just New York. I'll get I'll get you
Speaker 5: your gun.
Speaker 3: Mister Sea, uh not, like, honestly flop that one.
Speaker 2: I gotta say.
Speaker 3: You got more guys?
Speaker 2: Is he good?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Come on, you gotta do your do your opposition research
Speaker 1: on Bucke, realize that he's actually good at his job.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's take a quick break and we'll be right
Speaker 2: raw back.
Speaker 1: Karen in the Wig comes to see McDuffie.
Speaker 2: She loves this man. I know, I think her and
Speaker 2: Matt with the wig, and I.
Speaker 4: Was gonna say, there's a little role play little Jessica
Speaker 4: Jones Matt Roplake and she so she.
Speaker 1: Comes to McDuffie and gets her to do the witness
Speaker 1: statement so it's all official and on the record.
Speaker 2: Where's Matt.
Speaker 1: McDuffie wants to know, and Karen's like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just know I can't I can't talk about that.
Speaker 1: Vanessa chats with the governor the governor is like, listen,
Speaker 1: I know he's your husband, but I don't like the
Speaker 1: way he does business. And Vanessa's like, well, they is booming,
Speaker 1: so what's the fucking problem?
Speaker 7: Yeah, the the doao. Look at the dow, bitch, look
Speaker 7: at that dome, the dow, the doll And the governor
Speaker 7: is like, well, you know here's my thing. Woman to woman,
Speaker 7: boss bitch to boss bitch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why you were doing great on your own right,
Speaker 1: running the criminal I guess she's saying, like running the
Speaker 1: criminal empire.
Speaker 2: I think she's just like, yeah, she's like you.
Speaker 4: She's like, if one of you is going to go
Speaker 4: into politics, I feel like it could have been you, babe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like why you don't need him? You could do this.
Speaker 1: And she basically says like, hey, I'll back you like you.
Speaker 1: Let's mate, what do you think about moving Fisk out
Speaker 1: of the way. He's causing a lot of problems. She
Speaker 1: didn't say this explicitly, but she suggests it like I
Speaker 1: can back I can back you, and and by the way,
Speaker 1: tangential to that, I'll back Fisk, but you have to
Speaker 1: be involved.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you want to be my shadow man?
Speaker 2: Facing? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Angela goes to her friend Jabbi who's working at the
Speaker 1: food truck and gives him some money and the st
Speaker 1: card of the interviews and wants him to deliver it
Speaker 1: clearly to Bebe, which is, I don't understand why Angela
Speaker 1: can't deliver it to Bbe or mail it to.
Speaker 6: Her like.
Speaker 3: A random teenage boy do this?
Speaker 2: Like, come on? Absolutely fine?
Speaker 1: Anyway, Matt goes to the diner to investigate, dressed as
Speaker 1: a task Force guy.
Speaker 2: He's like, get out of here.
Speaker 5: I'm task Force, Move out of here, murdered detectives like,
Speaker 5: I'm task Force and.
Speaker 2: I'm pulling right and I'm looking her up.
Speaker 1: Finds the church token at the diner and goes to
Speaker 1: the so decides to go to the church. He goes
Speaker 1: to the church, talks to the priest about growing up
Speaker 1: in the church, and then wants to know, hey, did
Speaker 1: did the serial killer Bullseye come here?
Speaker 3: I'm gad did he get did he say this guy
Speaker 3: to a dime?
Speaker 1: And the and the priest's heart jumps, so Matt knows, okay,
Speaker 1: he has been here. Matt heads over to the apartment
Speaker 1: and Dex is there to Dex's apartment and they fight.
Speaker 1: Dex is like, no, I'm a good guy.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm a good guy. Now I want to help.
Speaker 4: And the whole he's like, I only killed the toss
Speaker 4: ball was like, I didn't kill anyone, and.
Speaker 2: And and you know that they're bad and you love it.
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, so they talk about it and Dex is like, listen,
Speaker 1: Vanessa and Fisk, I blame them for making me into this.
Speaker 1: They turned me into this, which is true, they did.
Speaker 1: Dex needs to take some responsibility. But Vanessa and Fisk
Speaker 1: exacerbated and ongoing mental health SA turned him into a
Speaker 1: serial killer.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's true.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that did happen. And he's like, well, now
Speaker 1: I want to do good. I want to balance the scales.
Speaker 1: And he's saying this while he's holding the landlady hostage,
Speaker 1: who by the way, I really liked him, Like I
Speaker 1: feel like he didn't need to.
Speaker 2: He was, she was a fan. You didn't need to
Speaker 2: do this.
Speaker 4: But yeah, he's obsessed with this idea of balancing the
Speaker 4: scales and one good deed, like he can do one
Speaker 4: good deed that's gonna make everything better.
Speaker 2: And by the way, his one good deed kill Wilson.
Speaker 1: Fish, which finally, come on, man, no one will do it,
Speaker 1: and Dex escapes.
Speaker 2: He hits a delivery man with a can. He throws
Speaker 2: a can and then the delivery guy on an e bike. Dude,
Speaker 2: it's so good.
Speaker 4: It's so you can like imagine the from the comic book,
Speaker 4: like the image of the town with the shell cambind
Speaker 4: and then it says like kathun like he just bumped
Speaker 4: right out there. I mean, they use Dex's powers in
Speaker 4: such a good, hilarious in this show.
Speaker 2: It's it's insists insane.
Speaker 1: Christoph now testifies on tape to McDuffie.
Speaker 2: He puts everything on the kingpin. As we know.
Speaker 1: McDuffie is like, Okay, I'm gonna get you somewhere safe.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call the US Marshals.
Speaker 1: I'm cutting I'm cutting the local I'm cutting local law
Speaker 1: enforcement completely out of it. The US Marshals will keep
Speaker 1: you safe. Bbe shows up at the fight as a
Speaker 1: guest of Dan.
Speaker 2: Come on Hobby.
Speaker 1: Tommy shows up and is like, oh my god, bb
Speaker 1: bby Urick of the Baby reports.
Speaker 2: You shit, Can I get it? Can I get a selfie?
Speaker 1: And he slips the SD card in her pocket. Dan
Speaker 1: gets a little suspicious, maybe a little jealous notices. It
Speaker 1: was not sly enough that Dan did not notice something
Speaker 1: was going on. And again I ask you, why did
Speaker 1: it have to be here? Why did it have to
Speaker 1: be now? You couldn't mail it to her apartment.
Speaker 2: You couldn't just like meet her outside of her good
Speaker 2: her place.
Speaker 4: You couldn't have like a mailman drop it to Hub
Speaker 4: or like put it inside the store where you could
Speaker 4: do like an exchange like you've been doing before, Like
Speaker 4: you had to let some teenagers get involved, like a
Speaker 4: couple on shit out of goods.
Speaker 2: And it had to be in the presence of the Kingpins,
Speaker 2: like like very air apparent and various members of the
Speaker 2: Kingpin staff.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Fisk is preparing for the fight. He's backstage preparing
Speaker 1: for the fight. Buckets a text and it's like I
Speaker 1: gotta go. Powell is like, okay, well, Buck's not here.
Speaker 1: I will handle your personal security of the fight. I
Speaker 1: will make sure that Dexter and whoever like the Swordsman
Speaker 1: and anybody.
Speaker 2: No mass vigilantes will get in here. I promised you.
Speaker 3: I don't trust Powell. I'm not gonna lie job he is.
Speaker 1: Dan comes back to his seat with like like a
Speaker 1: budget he's got so much merch, and he's got this
Speaker 1: little crystal like Fisk crystal like keep and all this
Speaker 1: like little stuff, and he's like so so excited.
Speaker 2: Buck.
Speaker 1: It turns out was sent over to take out Christoph
Speaker 1: and the Marshals say.
Speaker 2: Which he does easily.
Speaker 1: He fucking wipes out the Marshals and assassinates Christoph, no problem,
Speaker 1: he does it. Kingpin, who is absolutely murdering his opponent
Speaker 1: in the fucking ring, like to the point where people
Speaker 1: are looking around like Jesus Christ, like fucking hell, this
Speaker 1: is crazy because the Kingpin is of course like thinking
Speaker 1: about all the vigilantes and thinking about Man and thinking
Speaker 1: about Dexter, and he's just fucking going crazy on this guy.
Speaker 1: Dan's loving He like, oh yeah, what the is going on?
Speaker 2: Everybody's just everybody's like, what's going on?
Speaker 4: But then Vanessa floats in back from Albany to surprise
Speaker 4: old Kingpins wearing a why are you killing guy? Wearing
Speaker 4: a little white you know, with her little white bag,
Speaker 4: looking like the Angel. The governor called in to calm
Speaker 4: down her man, and Fisk's like, I told you not to. Confidence.
Speaker 1: So he gets the news mid match from Powell, like
Speaker 1: whispering through the through the ropes, like don't worry, like
Speaker 1: Christoph is dead. Meanwhile, the Kingpin has killed the fucking
Speaker 1: guy in the ring, whoever that guy is. And we
Speaker 1: have to say, like they when they did the weights
Speaker 1: they they put they put the Kingpin at what did
Speaker 1: they put him at? Like three something fifty three three
Speaker 1: twenty five? No fucking way, this guy is minimum three
Speaker 1: eighty five to ninety.
Speaker 4: He's push him four for sure, Like I see those
Speaker 4: he's just their king yes, body stature.
Speaker 2: Like that's just how it is. Let's not lie. I mean.
Speaker 4: Also, Aaron will get into this war, I'm sure, but
Speaker 4: like just boxing wise, also like those numbers don't make sense,
Speaker 4: Like there's no way you're getting in that fight.
Speaker 3: Like it's crazy. This man was always gonna die.
Speaker 4: But unfortunately for king And that is not the last
Speaker 4: thing that happens that night.
Speaker 2: So Vanessa is here.
Speaker 1: Now Fisk is saying you shouldn't have come, and of
Speaker 1: course Deck strikes here. He is comes in with the knives.
Speaker 1: He's dropping Task Force guys as they try to save Fisk,
Speaker 1: He's dropping them, dropping them drop.
Speaker 2: Fisk is like to the task Force, get her out
Speaker 2: of here.
Speaker 1: She's like, well, let me just ye, I pulled my
Speaker 1: I got my little gun.
Speaker 3: In gun.
Speaker 2: He pulls her little silver gun out and shoots Decks
Speaker 2: does hit him as Kingpin blocks his throat.
Speaker 1: He's throw throwing one of the little crystal Fisk keepsakes
Speaker 1: at Fisk, and Fisk, with incredible reflexes, takes his championship belt,
Speaker 1: which he had won for killing guy in the ring,
Speaker 1: switch to.
Speaker 2: Block the crystal thing good and it smashes. He does it.
Speaker 1: It blocks it and smashes and every but he is safe.
Speaker 1: But before Fisk can kill Dex with his hands, d
Speaker 1: d comes in, Daredavil Matt Murdoch and whist Decks away
Speaker 1: like on like they goes. They go swinging out and
Speaker 1: Fisk is like, what just happened?
Speaker 2: He looks up.
Speaker 1: He's like, well, thank god, I saved my own life
Speaker 1: by smashing the crystal Fisk Memorial boxing match.
Speaker 2: Keepsake Vanessa? You kidding?
Speaker 1: And he looks at Vanessa, and Vanessa's standing there with
Speaker 1: a side of with a piece of shard of the
Speaker 1: memorial merch in her temple, crazy and it's bleeding from
Speaker 1: the temple and she's got this far away look in
Speaker 1: her face, on her in her face, like Fisk, did
Speaker 1: we do it?
Speaker 2: And then she falls? Oh crazy episode.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go to a break and then we will
Speaker 1: come back and we will bring Aaron in and we
Speaker 1: will discuss this whole thing.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, craziness.
Speaker 6: Ed.
Speaker 1: We're rack welcome Aaron to producer, Aaron to the program.
Speaker 1: What an episode of The Daredevil corny television program. Absolutely nuts,
Speaker 1: nuts nuts, stuff.
Speaker 2: Your thoughts well.
Speaker 6: Weighing in at one hundred and sixty pounds, I'm here
Speaker 6: to give my thoughts on the scrapping in the kitchen fight.
Speaker 6: You know, I don't love Chekhov's glass Fisk sculpture being
Speaker 6: a part of the match, but I understand that it
Speaker 6: is a necessary moment.
Speaker 3: Because he killed Vanessa.
Speaker 2: Fisk is the one who did well. We don't know
Speaker 2: if she's dead, but like he's.
Speaker 4: The one who bleeding from her head, this is bleeding
Speaker 4: from my head.
Speaker 3: Gave us a troll bactic braided Jerif for shure.
Speaker 6: I think you've talked about how this show adheres so
Speaker 6: closely to the comics and has such a comics vibe
Speaker 6: to it. I felt like this fight was the epitome
Speaker 6: of that like just using the championship belt to smack
Speaker 6: the thing out of the air, Daredevils swinging in at
Speaker 6: the last moment and like them careening through the glass window.
Speaker 6: All of this folks so comic, bookie.
Speaker 2: I loved it.
Speaker 6: And what a really you know, TV shows I think
Speaker 6: have these great moments where they bring a bunch of
Speaker 6: characters together. What an incredible way to bring everyone together.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, the mayor is beating someone to death at
Speaker 6: a fundraise.
Speaker 2: Kill the guy. That's the part that will not shot
Speaker 2: it like rip to.
Speaker 1: Mayors opponent and will never be talked about, Like the
Speaker 1: news cycle is going to be Bullseye attacks, scraping in
Speaker 1: the kitchen fight with Mayor Vaneska Fisk dead question mark
Speaker 1: and we're never going.
Speaker 2: To talk about this poor again or any of the
Speaker 2: task Force guys that were killed.
Speaker 4: Deer. But I was so the craziest thing to me
Speaker 4: is like why is he fighting a man like a
Speaker 4: hundred pounds out of his weight class?
Speaker 2: Like so this was a you shouldn't have more than
Speaker 2: a hundred. I would say more than a hundred.
Speaker 6: What I can't tell you how much money it would
Speaker 6: take for me to engage in that fight, you would
Speaker 6: have to like serious, I would need generational wealth for
Speaker 6: like four segments of my generation down to.
Speaker 1: The contract would have to be and you pay out
Speaker 1: to my family.
Speaker 2: Gis whatever I die, Yeah, when I die, When I.
Speaker 1: Die, because it looks like like this like a hard
Speaker 1: obviously hard to judge real life to this show. But
Speaker 1: he when I think of what he would be like
Speaker 1: in like to stand next to I think like Boston
Speaker 1: Celtic Shaquille O'Neal, Like, yeah, exactly is what I think,
Speaker 1: Phoenix Sun Shaquillo O'Neil.
Speaker 2: You go like.
Speaker 4: He's like an upside He's like a giant upside down
Speaker 4: de rito, And they did.
Speaker 2: Actually I want to say, actually, I think.
Speaker 4: The costuming in this season has done such an incredible
Speaker 4: job at making him seem way bigger than he is.
Speaker 4: Really leaning into that silo app because it's crazy.
Speaker 6: I did a little bit of research on boxing weight
Speaker 6: classes just to get a sense. So they do announce
Speaker 6: Fiscus three twenty five, they say that's.
Speaker 2: His way in no way.
Speaker 1: Sure, who knows how much he cut that day, but guys,
Speaker 1: I've been pushing two hundred pounds for a long time.
Speaker 1: That bad is not three twenty five.
Speaker 6: Well, look, he's amateur boxing range like heavyweight boxing tops
Speaker 6: out at two hundred pounds. Now you can you can
Speaker 6: go above that obviously, but you have like that is
Speaker 6: where the cutoff begins. Amateur boxing weight classes top out
Speaker 6: it two twenty five. So Fisk is still one hundred
Speaker 6: pounds on paper, heavier than amateur. The heaviest in amateur typical,
Speaker 6: like heavyweight boxers might aim to be like two forty
Speaker 6: to two sixty. Let's give matter horn like the benefit
Speaker 6: of the doubts. Say he's too sixty, he's still like
Speaker 6: sixty pounds under.
Speaker 4: Still a whole child under face. Okay, wait, so I
Speaker 4: gotta ask you guys a question. Then, do you think
Speaker 4: was the boxing match? Did it technically take place in
Speaker 4: red hook? So none of these rules mad.
Speaker 2: It's like a free port. So even like.
Speaker 1: Boxing, whoa, it's if it's well, it's clearly yeah, it's
Speaker 1: the kitchen, I will say, per Marvel, per Marvel Comics.
Speaker 1: In the comics, Wilson Fisk is six foot seven and
Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty pounds with.
Speaker 2: Two percent body. That's all muscle fat. That's all. That's
Speaker 2: that what looks like fat is all muscled.
Speaker 3: He's gonna stay healthy for Vanessa.
Speaker 8: Okay, he's got He's gonna be doing his pushups, keeping
Speaker 8: that core strength going two body fat corumba No four
Speaker 8: fifty please you guys.
Speaker 1: Like four hundred, four hundred and thirty five pounds of
Speaker 1: muscle and then if you're a muscle, the rest two
Speaker 1: percents just like his organs.
Speaker 2: Yea, his bones.
Speaker 6: Yeah I did. I did look up online. I was like,
Speaker 6: what is the best way to beat a three hundred
Speaker 6: and twenty five pound boxer? And the number one AI
Speaker 6: recommendation was escape. Yeah, it's a I was like, runaway,
Speaker 6: don't get a fight, don't get into a street fight
Speaker 6: with a three hundred twenty five pound boxer.
Speaker 2: So that would be my first strategy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean definitely. I think they would probably go
Speaker 3: for like a.
Speaker 4: George Saint Pierre style, like somebody who just like lays
Speaker 4: on top of another boxer jiu jitsu fighter. You know,
Speaker 4: that's probably a mixed martial arist is your bet, but
Speaker 4: running away is your smartest.
Speaker 2: But no question.
Speaker 1: Here's what here's the various we we talked about it,
Speaker 1: you know, time and again about how comic book this
Speaker 1: is and when you really like, what's what that means
Speaker 1: to me is like there's a ridiculousness that is.
Speaker 2: Fun in and of itself. The idea to like involve
Speaker 2: Jobby why right?
Speaker 1: Like that itself is like why are we in Mother Angela?
Speaker 1: Go deliver the SD card?
Speaker 2: Why do you need this guy? Like why do we
Speaker 2: need him?
Speaker 1: And then the fact that like, Okay, so Matt Dex
Speaker 1: escapes from Matt by knocking a delivery guy off his.
Speaker 2: Moped with a can, okay, and in the save that.
Speaker 1: Afternoon into the into the New York afternoon, right, and
Speaker 1: so Matt's like where will Deck strike next? Clearly the
Speaker 1: boxing match, So the idea that Matt like what was
Speaker 1: Matt doing.
Speaker 2: During the box Like how come he was there so late?
Speaker 2: Stop him?
Speaker 1: Like just like where what was he doing? Where he
Speaker 1: gets there and the Deck's attacks.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you what if it wasn't the comic,
Speaker 4: you would do like, yeah, that would be like a
Speaker 4: little ten page backup story about how like he's trying
Speaker 4: to get a cab and he can't get a cab and.
Speaker 2: Then he's trying to.
Speaker 4: He's and he's listening on the radio like oh ship,
Speaker 4: like the boxing ratches.
Speaker 2: And the rain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the rain is coming down and it's fucking up
Speaker 1: his radar vision and he can't like do all this stuff.
Speaker 3: And then he gets.
Speaker 6: If Jack hadn't bankrolled their entire operation, I would have
Speaker 6: said he probably went in. He laid some money down
Speaker 6: on the fight, so he was collecting again before I
Speaker 6: came in. He was like, I gotta get this payout
Speaker 6: and now I'll go change real quick.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 3: That's scandalous. Scandalous.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think another thing that I love is You're
Speaker 4: so right, Jason. It is the ridiculousness. And I think
Speaker 4: that's what's appealing so much. Is this is that kind
Speaker 4: of perfect balance between you know, I guess in some
Speaker 4: other shows it would almost be camp, but they don't
Speaker 4: push it that far, so they balance it of a
Speaker 4: comic booky kind of ridiculous nature of these actions, of
Speaker 4: the of a little girl being involved, of a teenage
Speaker 4: boy being involved, but those feel comic book because those
Speaker 4: are the characters they would put in as in characters
Speaker 4: for the audience in a comic book, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I kind of love.
Speaker 4: That they're keeping that up while not trying to do
Speaker 4: some whole Reekuel not trying to do some whole reboot. Instead,
Speaker 4: it's like, well, how do we add these little things
Speaker 4: that make it familiar to the people who are picking
Speaker 4: up the comic books or who used to pick them up.
Speaker 2: And I think you're right.
Speaker 4: The word ridiculous is so perfect for me because this
Speaker 4: episode is like legitimately a fantastic episode of television. It's
Speaker 4: so well made, it's so good.
Speaker 2: It's definitely up there.
Speaker 4: I know we have some still some born again cynics
Speaker 4: or it hasn't hit for them yet in the Discord,
Speaker 4: but I believe that this is gonna be the episode
Speaker 4: that turns the tables.
Speaker 3: It feels like Netflix, but with more flair.
Speaker 4: With more color, with more fun like Decks being able
Speaker 4: to be funny with his powers, the tin can off
Speaker 4: the moped.
Speaker 3: I rewound that like fifty times.
Speaker 2: It was so fucking funny.
Speaker 4: Man Like it's Charlie Chaplin, Yes, yes, silly. That's another
Speaker 4: thing that kind of slapstick.
Speaker 3: Nature, the Looney Tunes nature of it.
Speaker 4: We definitely get that in Fisk's fight, like the notion
Speaker 4: that he can kind of smash this memorabilia trophy crystal
Speaker 4: fucking you know, boxing bakeoff tray that they gave him
Speaker 4: or whatever a smash it just out of the way
Speaker 4: with that fucking belt is just so good. Like when
Speaker 4: it happens and it explodes, you get that hero moment.
Speaker 4: You feel like, oh my god, he saved himself, like
Speaker 4: you tried to take down Fisk and you can't. And
Speaker 4: then that kind of slow pullback reveal. We were talking
Speaker 4: about how we didn't really know what they were gonna
Speaker 4: do with Vanessa, and that's kind of how it felt.
Speaker 4: And I didn't see this coming, Like I really felt
Speaker 4: like after such a dex heavy episode, this would be
Speaker 4: about his showdown with Kingpin. And I think that I
Speaker 4: love the fact that we've ended up in a place
Speaker 4: where technically, if something happens to Vanessa nowt it's Wilson's fault.
Speaker 4: He's gonna have to live with that, Like his choice
Speaker 4: to defend himself ended up being the thing that injured her.
Speaker 1: Just get just get killed with the crystal memorial Wilson
Speaker 1: Fisk merch and but I have to say, like the reflex,
Speaker 1: I was shocked at the reflexes.
Speaker 3: Incredible four hundred pounds sent Buddy fat.
Speaker 1: That's how you know, for fifty for fifty.
Speaker 2: He's so quick. I wonder if he is.
Speaker 1: Do you think he's four fifty in the show and
Speaker 1: he just lied about his weight was yes, twenty five.
Speaker 6: You can't think of any politicians that would lie about
Speaker 6: their weight, guys, I mean.
Speaker 2: You would do that. I mean. Also, the thing is
Speaker 2: about Wilson Fisk and I do.
Speaker 3: Love this as well, about the way they shoot Vincent Donofrio.
Speaker 4: You know, like a solid seventy pounds of that is
Speaker 4: just that man's fat head, that fat bowed hell like
Speaker 4: that show, that's seventy pounds on that shoulders.
Speaker 1: I wanted to say, shouts to Vince, to mister Donofrio.
Speaker 1: Mister Donofrio is sixty six years old. This is a
Speaker 1: physical fucking role, dude, he's got He will probably have
Speaker 1: another fight scene, right, at least one more fight scene, is.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: They've had.
Speaker 1: He's had what two fight scenes already in the show,
Speaker 1: including him killing the boxer.
Speaker 3: I know I was gonna say, I'm like, where's the
Speaker 3: boxing coach? I'm guess he did it to make it
Speaker 3: back from the mirror smash.
Speaker 2: I'm like, or is he in a catch?
Speaker 6: I read an interview they did with Danafrio where he
Speaker 6: was saying a lot of times since Hawkeye, he's had
Speaker 6: the fat suit, but he's also had his arms covered.
Speaker 6: So his frame, you believe it because he's got the
Speaker 6: fat suit. So for this season, he had to do
Speaker 6: extra workouts to build up his shoulders and arms because
Speaker 6: he's he's got a tank on here, so you have
Speaker 6: to believe that his arms saw finally fit. So if
Speaker 6: you're looking at it and it does look a little off,
Speaker 6: it's because usually he does have a little arm padding.
Speaker 2: But for this he hit the gym.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it looked off. I thought that man
Speaker 1: who looking good, Well, he's doing an incredible job. Okay,
Speaker 1: shall we talk about who we think is going to
Speaker 1: live and die? Because I think we've got some changes here.
Speaker 6: First off, can I just say I think the first mate,
Speaker 6: I think he's gonna make it through the show.
Speaker 2: Right Wait, no, never mind, never mind, Yeah, that's another
Speaker 2: I just want to say, listen.
Speaker 6: Christoph, Chris, Matt, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: You and Matt together? It's time like step into.
Speaker 1: The modern day of what's going on in New York
Speaker 1: fucking doing just like not get with it? What what
Speaker 1: do you think has been happening out here, Like, look
Speaker 1: at what's going on all around you. You're gonna put
Speaker 1: this guy in the hands of the US Marshals, would
Speaker 1: you call them on on your phone? Like surely your
Speaker 1: phone isn't tapped, right, Like, give me a fucking break, McDuffie,
Speaker 1: Like what are you doing?
Speaker 2: What is Cherry and the good cops for? Where the
Speaker 2: fuck is Cherry?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Good point. Where's the tay? Where are the fuck is Cherry?
Speaker 2: You have Cherry handle this also as well?
Speaker 4: How about the fact that, like Daredevil is the only
Speaker 4: person who has managed to evade the law, So why
Speaker 4: not put this criminal, I mean, this wanted man who
Speaker 4: is not a criminal on the run with dead Devil,
Speaker 4: Like you don't give him to the fucking US Marshals
Speaker 4: and then your surprise is getting taken out and Matt
Speaker 4: have a lot of blood on their hands with this
Speaker 4: sexual frustration chemistry.
Speaker 2: Just have sex run the law institute properly.
Speaker 4: Matt can be with you and he's Matt, and he
Speaker 4: can be with Karen when he's dead Devil.
Speaker 2: You'll be fine. But yes, I'm I think what do
Speaker 2: you think?
Speaker 1: I think McDuffie needs her own She needs her own
Speaker 1: like super villain, super legal super villain who can help
Speaker 1: her realize, like what's going on in the world right now?
Speaker 2: And stop? Oh I like that.
Speaker 4: I like would you would you would think after the
Speaker 4: DA that she would maybe realize the US Marshals wasn't
Speaker 4: like the safe.
Speaker 6: The problem is all of her like opponents and rivals
Speaker 6: are her old friends, like Heather, It's all people she's
Speaker 6: like close with. The only people she's upset with are
Speaker 6: them and mat Like. She doesn't have real enemies right now,
Speaker 6: she just has spurned partners.
Speaker 3: You're right, You're right. She needs a true, true nemesis.
Speaker 4: You know, if Heather ends up becoming Muse like Muse
Speaker 4: too or Lady Muse or Miss.
Speaker 3: Muse or whatever cools Miss Muse.
Speaker 2: Muse x.
Speaker 4: But yeah, whatever version she if she does eventually become
Speaker 4: that she could that could.
Speaker 2: Be a good foil for McDuffie, do we think so?
Speaker 1: Here's my thing with the I think that the Muse
Speaker 1: mask has like some sort of evil force.
Speaker 2: You think it's possessing her, right, yeah, I think it's.
Speaker 1: I think that she's obviously on her own mental health
Speaker 1: journey as well. But I think there's why she put
Speaker 1: the thing about how Jack feels possessed, because really that
Speaker 1: was about Hi.
Speaker 2: I think them.
Speaker 1: Yes, the mask is possessing her and she's going to
Speaker 1: have because I'm like, so, what is she gonna do?
Speaker 1: Just like walk up and strangle people with her right.
Speaker 2: Now and then it's gonna be She's what worlds struggle is, right, Grip. No,
Speaker 2: She's gonna She's gonna do the true Muse thing.
Speaker 1: And it's because the Muse costume has an evil spirit
Speaker 1: in it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love that, Jason. That's insane and I love it.
Speaker 2: Okay. So, which again, very comic book, very colic.
Speaker 1: Completely we've been talking about an evilhood.
Speaker 3: Literally just saw it and miss I mean iron Heart.
Speaker 3: There's lots of there's lots of reasoning.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: So, Jason, last week, your three death pools were Vanessa
Speaker 4: looking good, BBI or Dan.
Speaker 3: So what are you thinking now?
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna I think Vanessa obviously let's cross
Speaker 1: her off. So she did another one, and I think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna add the governor to my list.
Speaker 2: Okay, the Governor is playing a dangerous game.
Speaker 1: Either pull the port or don't pull the port, but
Speaker 1: don't let fisk.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 2: Yeah, over hanging over his head. Don't do that.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna put the Governor on my list to
Speaker 1: take Vanessa's place. R at Vanessa, and you know, I
Speaker 1: don't it seemed pretty bad. Maybe she's not dead yet,
Speaker 1: but she was. It seemed like that crystal shard of
Speaker 1: Fat Wilson's memorial boxing match merch did penetrate. And then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, and then I'm gonna stay with So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Governor BB Dan, And I do think
Speaker 1: it's one of I'm gonna go one of BB or Dan.
Speaker 2: I'm putting BB back.
Speaker 3: At the top because I feel like the Harvey bb
Speaker 3: Ann Harvey.
Speaker 2: Actually, I think I think.
Speaker 4: They might might have to both go, oh this is yeah,
Speaker 4: rip Vanessa O.
Speaker 3: We love her. They didn't know what to do with
Speaker 3: her this season.
Speaker 2: Sense.
Speaker 4: I wonder if Dex could go, you know what, let's
Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna put decks on mine because I
Speaker 4: don't want to put Dan on there as well as
Speaker 4: BB again, So I.
Speaker 3: Think it's true. I don't.
Speaker 4: I did think at some point we might see Karen
Speaker 4: kill Dex, but I don't think that's where they're going
Speaker 4: because I think they want the Matt Karen thing to
Speaker 4: be good though. They could end the season with her
Speaker 4: killing Decks and then that could be kind of a
Speaker 4: lead into the Punisha. But yeah, I think you're right, Jason.
Speaker 4: I think Dex is a good one. Aaron, who are
Speaker 4: your final three?
Speaker 6: I mean I had Vanessa on last I think we
Speaker 6: all had Vanessa.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we all had Vanessa.
Speaker 6: So I also had Dan and I had Governor McCaffrey.
Speaker 6: I'm keeping McCaffrey on there. I think she Yeah, I'm
Speaker 6: keeping m McCaffrey is gonna go. I think that like
Speaker 6: they're trying to build her as his rival to Fisk,
Speaker 6: but it seems like he doesn't even think about her.
Speaker 6: So I'm wondering, like does Vanessa. Well, at first I
Speaker 6: thought maybe the Nessa would kill her, but now maybe
Speaker 6: Heather or Buck gets her. So I think McCaffrey's number one.
Speaker 6: I think BB like I think they're building to Bay.
Speaker 6: I think I think they're building Daniel up to almost
Speaker 6: be a tragic figure now where he's gonna have to
Speaker 6: make a choice between Fisk or Bib, and he's gonna
Speaker 6: pick Fisk. And I think BB is done for.
Speaker 1: I like I like the I like the Anakin turn
Speaker 1: to the dark side, Dan becoming like the new Fisk
Speaker 1: when whatever happens to which.
Speaker 4: Has been like like seating as well.
Speaker 6: And my third one is Karen. You guys kind of
Speaker 6: you mentioned it in the recap.
Speaker 2: Karen and Matt.
Speaker 1: Said, yeah, but she's got to choose between Frank and
Speaker 1: she's got to choose between Frank and Matt.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think that I think a mad Karen Love triangle
Speaker 1: is too good.
Speaker 4: I agree, it's it's so juicy. Also, guys, I do
Speaker 4: have to say something as well. Ian pointed something out
Speaker 4: really good, so I just want to give him a
Speaker 4: quick shout out because he just pointed out that if
Speaker 4: Vanessa hadn't shot Decks, Decks wouldn't have missed with the
Speaker 4: crystal anyway, So like it.
Speaker 2: Was a Vanessa Fisk mix. They did it to themselves.
Speaker 3: But yeah, if Vanessa makes it good for.
Speaker 2: Her, RP to her.
Speaker 4: If not, and oh my god, like sorry to New
Speaker 4: York if she's really dead, because Wilson Fisk is gonna
Speaker 4: be fucking screwing.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be screwing, he's gonna he's gonna lose his
Speaker 1: He's gonna lose his nut.
Speaker 2: I will say that.
Speaker 1: I I just want to say again how wonderful it is.
Speaker 1: Let's not forget about the whole about how the governor
Speaker 1: is involved because of this insane season one plot line
Speaker 1: of the ancient Deeds.
Speaker 3: Red Hook that was like a pirate fucking math from the.
Speaker 1: Pre Civil War era, right that is apparently the only
Speaker 1: copy and legally verified document pertaining to the Red Hook property,
Speaker 1: and nobody else had ever thought or considered or investigated
Speaker 1: the the legal status of the red Hook port. And
Speaker 1: when this like crusty fucking scroll show up like that,
Speaker 1: now we understand.
Speaker 2: Oh now I understand.
Speaker 1: What the status of the poor one. It's so good.
Speaker 1: I love that that is the case.
Speaker 4: I love it so much, and I love that they
Speaker 4: mix it in with this like real kind of grimy
Speaker 4: brutality and violence like there ever since. And I know
Speaker 4: this is such a funny poll because I know people
Speaker 4: did not love this show. But if you haven't watched
Speaker 4: the last episode of like when Echo shows up, oh
Speaker 4: so this would actually be Hawkeye, which was a great show.
Speaker 4: But the finale of Hawkeye spoiler alert, when Echo shows
Speaker 4: up and shoots Kingpin in the head, and before that.
Speaker 3: We've seen how crazy powerful he is.
Speaker 4: It's one of the coolest representations of Oh, this is
Speaker 4: how the MCU is gonna differentiate itself is by holding
Speaker 4: the comic book accuracy and the crazy costumes and the
Speaker 4: Kingpin in a Hawaiian suit kind of vibe with this brutality.
Speaker 4: And I think that the red hook scroll and this
Speaker 4: kind of scraping in the kitchen is such a great
Speaker 4: example of how they've managed to balance both and why
Speaker 4: I do think that this is actually a really great
Speaker 4: season of TV.
Speaker 1: All right, well, we will continue to talk about Born
Speaker 1: Again season two on X ray Vision. Also coming up,
Speaker 1: Mall Shadow Lord. That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening, Hie.
Speaker 2: X ray Vision is hosted.
Speaker 1: By Jason SEPs Young and Rosie Knight and is a
Speaker 1: production of iHeart Podcast.
Speaker 4: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 2: Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.
Speaker 4: Our producers are Common, Laurent Dian, Jhonathan and Fay Wag.
Speaker 6: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme
Speaker 6: songs by Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 4: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and
Speaker 4: Heidi or Di called moderate though.
Speaker 1: Hey, Mike, as is his Nephi Mary, I just want
Speaker 1: to talk about the scraping in the kitchen bow tod I,
Speaker 1: which I just want to say. I logged it into
Speaker 1: my Cauchi account and I looked and somebody named uh
Speaker 1: Dan hart beebe Forever placed five hundred dollars on the kingpin,
Speaker 1: not just to win, but to murder his rival. And
Speaker 1: I just want to say, anybody, and by the way,
Speaker 1: not a crazy bet. Anybody who was thinking anything else,
Speaker 1: what have you been looking at the kingpin?
Speaker 2: Come on?
Speaker 1: How big this guy? How many chairs has he gone
Speaker 1: through since he's been maya? What is he sitting on?
Speaker 1: Adamantium chairs? This is this guy? Forget about it. There
Speaker 1: is no way that whoever he was fighting, and uh
Speaker 1: you know, my, my, my deepest condolences to the Greek
Speaker 1: spot that was formerly the opponent of Wilson Fisk in
Speaker 1: the ring. But there was no way that guy took
Speaker 1: had a chance. He did not have a chance.
Speaker 2: Mike.
Speaker 1: It was a travesty. This is what boxing has come to.
Speaker 1: This used to be a great sport, Mike. It used
Speaker 1: to be boxing, horse racing and and and whatever. Else
Speaker 1: in this country, and now boxing has fallen. This is
Speaker 1: what this is what passes for the sport.
Speaker 2: Of kings in this country. Mike, I'll take my answer
Speaker 2: off the other. Thank you.