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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Well, the judge in the Wendy Williams case has done

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Speaker 2: it again, spouting off with completely inappropriate and uncalled for

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Speaker 2: remarks aimed at Wendy Williams, the TV superstar.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. In the last days. Things get even

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Speaker 1: more weird and even more intense. In the Guardianship Battle

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Speaker 1: TV star Wendy Williams is waging in court. According to sources,

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Speaker 1: the judge says to Wendy, quote, your career is says

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Speaker 1: to Wendy, your career is over. You have no hope

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Speaker 1: of restarting your career. Why would this judge, Judge Lisa

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Speaker 1: Sokoloff say that. This is after Wendy shows up in

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Speaker 1: court and appears. The judge went on to rail on

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Speaker 1: Wendy's niece Alex Finney, accusing her of leaking information and

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Speaker 1: threatening her with sanctions. Okay, wait a minute, what's wrong

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Speaker 1: with reporting what happened in court? What is wrong with

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Speaker 1: this judge? Okay, let's start at the beginning. Let's start

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Speaker 1: with Wendy Williams.

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Speaker 3: Wendy Williams celebrates a victory in her controversial guardianship battle

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Speaker 3: as a judge reportedly allows the ex talk show host

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Speaker 3: queen to move from a senior living.

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Speaker 1: Facility living facility. My roar in it is more like

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Speaker 1: a prison, Wendy had stated over and over. She's surrounded

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Speaker 1: by seventy, eighty and ninety year olds. No offense. But

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Speaker 1: that is not Wendy Williams' style. And I don't like

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Speaker 1: the way this judge is talking down to Wendy Williams.

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Speaker 1: Uh uh n oh, you know, a little power is

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Speaker 1: a dangerous thing, judge, listen to this.

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Speaker 3: Photographers frequently crowd below Wendy Williams window at Koderie Hudson Yards,

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Speaker 3: where the sixty year old resides in the memory care unit.

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Speaker 3: One such photographer watches as Williams throws the scrap of

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Speaker 3: paper from her window, scribbled on the note help Wendy.

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Speaker 3: The paparazzi calls for a welfare check, and hours later

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Speaker 3: NYPD officers escort Williams out of the facility into a

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Speaker 4: Where I lived at this memory unit on this floor.

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Speaker 4: You know, I just needed a breath of fresh air,

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Speaker 4: you know, And I'm saying I needed to see the doctors.

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Speaker 5: So that's why I went to the hospital.

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Speaker 1: That's from our friends at ABC. I am on Wendy's

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Speaker 1: side here. Why is it she's got a guardian watching

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Speaker 1: out for her that she has to send up a note,

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Speaker 1: throw it out her window and the paparazzi get it

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Speaker 1: and they get her out with police escort. That doesn't

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Speaker 1: sound right to me? Does it sound right to you

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Speaker 1: that she has to throw a help me note out

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Speaker 1: a window? Where's a conservator? Why has Wendy been in

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Speaker 1: lockdown for all this time? Listen?

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Speaker 3: Wendy Williams says she feels like she's in prison as

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Speaker 3: she continues her fight to end her court appoint a

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Speaker 3: guardianship as if almost on cue. Williams may have proved

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Speaker 3: her point when the assisted living facility where she resides

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Speaker 3: on the fifth floor, Coterie, calls police, claiming the sixty

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Speaker 3: year old TV host has been kidnapped by her niece,

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Speaker 3: Alex Finnie. The report Coterie filed with the NYPD, claims

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Speaker 3: Finny evaded staff by taking her aunt Wendy out of

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Speaker 3: the building to eat an Italian restaurant.

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Speaker 1: Uh uh huh ann oh, joining me in an All Star panel.

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Speaker 1: First to Jessica Fann joining me, senior investigative reporter at

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Speaker 1: the US SUN who was at the courthouse as Wendy

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Speaker 1: is battling for her freedom and got some incredible exclusive shots.

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Speaker 1: Wendy is walking, she's talking, she's smiling, She's flanked by friends, relatives.

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Speaker 1: I don't like this one bit. That the niece of

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Speaker 1: Wendy goes and takes her out to a simple lunch

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Speaker 1: and then the assisted care facility I a lockdown, actually

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Speaker 1: calls the police with a kidnapped claim on the niece.

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Speaker 1: Are you serious? It was a.

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Speaker 6: Wild scene for sure. So basically what had happened is

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Speaker 6: that Wendy was just released from the hospital after being evaluated.

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Speaker 6: Her niece, Alex Finney, comes to pick her up to

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Speaker 6: take her back to the living facility, but on their

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Speaker 6: way back, they go to dinner and apparently the living

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Speaker 1: There was a conflicting reports.

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Speaker 6: Alex says that they knew that they were going out

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Speaker 6: to dinner. The living facility allegedly said that this outing

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Speaker 1: Joining me, doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psycho Alice joining us

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Speaker 1: from the LA jurisdiction, author of deal Breaker. You can

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Speaker 1: see her now on peacock and you can find her

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Speaker 1: at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall, it's

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Speaker 1: my understanding that you agree with the judge who seemingly

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Speaker 1: continues to threaten Wendy Williams like she's a petulant child.

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Speaker 7: Nancy.

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Speaker 8: People in cognitive decline notoriously, do not realize what's happening

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Speaker 1: So let's hold that in.

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Speaker 7: The back of our minds.

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Speaker 8: Sokoloff is basing her decision on criteria, not personal opinion.

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Speaker 8: Wendy william probably had cognitive testing, neural psych testing, and

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Speaker 8: the testing showed that she was a danger to self

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Speaker 8: or others and that she had lacked EIGHTLS, meaning activities

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Speaker 8: of daily living. The judge is looking at that criteria.

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Speaker 1: Okay, question to you, yes, did you perform a test

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Speaker 1: on Wendy Williams. Did you, Bethany Marshall, perform a cognitive

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Speaker 1: test on Wendy Williams.

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Speaker 8: I did not, But usually a baseline test is given

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Speaker 1: So you're just speculating, are you not? I am speculating, yes, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So the fact that she has recently passed a cognitive

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Speaker 1: test does that mean anything to you? Are you just

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Speaker 1: to Wendy Williams like she's a five year old that

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Speaker 1: grabbed a handful of jellybeans.

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Speaker 8: Hey, Nancy is the family who said says she's passed

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Speaker 8: away buying colors? What the family not? The not the

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Speaker 8: physician who admits to stirred the test?

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Speaker 1: Us the media? Have you ever heard of hippa? You

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Speaker 1: think the judges, you think that the docter's going to

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Speaker 1: go out on the steps of Mount Sinai, which I'm

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Speaker 1: very familiar with, had all my prenatal tests there, was

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Speaker 1: going to have the children there until I suddenly gave

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Speaker 1: birth in Atlanta. Mount Sinai. That's where she took the test.

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Speaker 1: And what do you expect her doctor to go out

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Speaker 1: and say, hey, she passed everybody, let me go out

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Speaker 1: to special guests joining us. Elizabeth mcinturf, attorney specializing in

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Speaker 1: guardianship issues, a partner at Selzer Gervich. Elizabeth Thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us. What can you tell me about

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Speaker 1: this type of care facility where all the elevators are

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Speaker 1: locked and you have to have a chaperone to take

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Speaker 1: you down the elevator, and you go to lunch with

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Speaker 1: reportedly and call police. What about it, Elizabeth?

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Speaker 9: with more security measures, including, you know, preventing somebody from

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Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying in Elizabeth, and this is your specialty. However,

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Speaker 1: when if it were being told is true, and I

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Speaker 1: and threatening to file a kidnap allegation. That's a criminal

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Speaker 1: this just because Wendy Williams wants to have lunch, let's

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Speaker 3: Feels like you're screaming for help.

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Speaker 6: Are you allowed to go out in the last thirty days?

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Speaker 4: I went out twice.

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Speaker 3: This sounds more like a prison than independence.

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Speaker 5: I want my right back, I want my freedom back.

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Speaker 1: That was our friend Harvey Levin at TMZ. They've got

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Speaker 1: a new documentary on TMZ Saving Wendy. You know, when

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Speaker 1: I listened to her speaking very coherently, I agree with Harvey.

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Speaker 1: I think this is wrong. And she is having to

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Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, and submitting herself not only to testing

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Speaker 1: at Mount Sinai, which according to her and others, she passed.

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Speaker 1: So why is she still going to be moved to

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Speaker 1: In other words, they want to give the appearance they

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Speaker 1: your loved one. And to top it all off, I

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Speaker 1: Wendy Williams and basically threatening her, saying things like and

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Speaker 1: I quote, I've always contended that Williams be given the

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Speaker 1: independence she can handle. I really judge it. When were

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Speaker 1: you a shrink? I question how well she has handled

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Speaker 1: the independence she has been given. Really, what did Wendy

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Speaker 1: do wrong? Have it played apasta? You don't like that, judge,

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Speaker 1: And she goes on to threaten Wendy, stating to the lawyer,

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Speaker 1: refrain from trying to poison the jury pool. Ret row.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like somebody's impinging on Wendy Williams freedom of speech.

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Speaker 1: Oh there's that pesky little Bill of rights judge Crime

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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Hey, judge, one word for you

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Speaker 1: r E c U S E. Recuse yourself now before

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Speaker 1: you're publicly thrown off the Wendy Williams case. Your comments

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Speaker 1: are totally uncalled for and inappropriate, and you're making quite

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Speaker 1: the record in Wendy's favor in this guardianship battle. In

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Speaker 1: the last days. The judge says to Wendy, quote, your

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Speaker 1: career is over. Well, I highly disagree with that. Who

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Speaker 10: After a successful trial run of The Wendy Williams Show,

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Speaker 10: the talk show is broadcast internationally and Garner's two point

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Speaker 10: four million daily viewers. Williams trades off with Ellen DeGeneres

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Speaker 10: as the number one female daytime television host for years.

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Speaker 10: The daily show runs for twelve years straight, while Williams

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Speaker 10: starts her own reality TV production company with her manager

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Speaker 10: and husband, Kevin Hunter.

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Speaker 1: Oh did I just hear? Husband? Manager? Wait? Jessica Finn

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Speaker 1: Senior investigative reporter us son who got us awesome photos

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Speaker 1: of Wendy going to court? Jessica there at the courthouse

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Speaker 1: when this goes down? Husband? You mean the guy that

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Speaker 1: took all that money from the Wendy Williams Show. Him

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Speaker 1: the one that was having a year's long affair with

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Speaker 1: what was missus and then had a baby, living what

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Speaker 1: nine or ten miles away from Wendy. I think he

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Speaker 1: even had his name on her mailbox. That guy, That's

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they are actually still fighting it out in divorce

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Speaker 6: court over money. He claims he's owed as partly as

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Speaker 6: executive producer for the Wendy Williams Show. There was a

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Speaker 6: stipulation in their divorce that he was going to get

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Speaker 6: basically a severance package from Wendy, and then once Wells

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Speaker 6: Once when he was put into this guardianship and the

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Speaker 6: bank took over her accounts, Wells Fargo shut down her accounts,

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Speaker 6: his payments stopped. So they're actually backfighting it in divorce court,

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Speaker 6: and Kevin's been in part not only trying to get

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Speaker 6: his severance payments to resume, He's also been really trying

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Speaker 6: to get access to Wendy's financial records, and in part,

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Speaker 6: I think what he hopes that's going to show is

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Speaker 6: what is happening with her money since she's been placed

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Speaker 1: So while Kevin is all doing moment, didn't he Jessica

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Speaker 1: give up any rot to get all up in her

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Speaker 1: That woman worked like a mule and was surrounded by

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Speaker 1: Everybody around her was just kicked back, lounging, having a

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Speaker 6: A thousand percent that is exactly why they got divorced

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Speaker 1: I believe Jessica Fan that you have gone so far

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is not the public opinion that people would

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Speaker 6: And once Kevin was out of the picture, it was

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Speaker 6: Everything went to poop and she wasn't even able to film.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me be clear. The ex husband has not

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Speaker 5: I am not cognitively impaired, you know what I'm saying. No,

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Speaker 4: All right, A wind Bilt.

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Speaker 5: I talk on the phone.

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Speaker 3: I said, you're cognitively impaired and you're incapacitated.

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Speaker 4: Do I see that way?

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Speaker 12: No, you've been You've been calling her five times a

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Speaker 3: No, you don't see that.

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Speaker 1: You are hearing Wendy on the phone at the breakfast

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Speaker 8: Me, because I'm a professional. And just because she sounds

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Speaker 1: Wendy Williams had one of the highest rated daytime talk

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Speaker 1: that said, let's look at the facts themselves too, Jessica

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Speaker 1: Finn joining me, Senior Investigative Report of US Son. What

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Speaker 6: Okay, so we know that she has We know that

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Speaker 1: I've got so many questions right now. But doctor Kendall

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Speaker 1: Crowns joining me, renowned medical examiner joining us out of

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Speaker 1: Terran County. That's Fort Worth. Never a lack of business there,

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Speaker 1: got a question regarding the frontal temporal dementia and the

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Speaker 1: alcohol related brain damage all allegations. First of all, frontal

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Speaker 1: I was just thinking about Bruce Willis and all the

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Speaker 12: So you can get it from the chronic uh brain trauma.

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Speaker 12: But one of the main things is chronic alcoholism, which

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Speaker 12: Frontal temporal dimension and alcohol related brain damage can be well.

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Speaker 12: Frontal temporal dementia can be associated with chronic alcohol abuse

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Speaker 12: You have to remember what blows to the head. It's

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Speaker 1: Okay, we see it with Britney spears right, she got

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Speaker 1: what I observed, what I observed with my own eyes,

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Speaker 12: Crowns, Well, I mean you are just noticing one aspect

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Speaker 13: You're going with that Crowns he had those tests, she's

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Speaker 12: For buying colors. I know.

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Speaker 1: He's have independent results.

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Speaker 13: I would be very disappointed and I would be very

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Speaker 1: That's for our friends at Fox five in New York,

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Speaker 14: A source says while Judge Sonkoloff approved, the talk show

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Speaker 1: Jessica Fann, senior investigative reporter us Son who was camped

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the judge basically said that this was not enough.

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Speaker 6: is your birthday, what's your full name? These were really

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Speaker 6: basic questions and it was a ten question test and

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Speaker 6: it didn't delve. According to the judge, it didn't delve

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Speaker 6: deep enough into Wendy's diagnoses to really give an accurate,

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Speaker 6: full picture of what Wendy is dealing with. In the

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Speaker 6: coming weeks, it sounds like the judge is going to

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Speaker 6: be having her do another more extensive, thorough psycholological evaluation

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Speaker 6: to determine exactly where Wendy's cognitive abilities are at this

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Speaker 6: point and see how that's going to change the guardianship,

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Speaker 6: because it's going to change the whole nature of the guardianship.

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Speaker 6: It could get her out of the guardianship. If she

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Speaker 6: does really well, she could end up in a less

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Speaker 6: restrictive situation. She could end up with a different guardian.

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Speaker 6: So this next test is really good to be the

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Speaker 6: big moment for Wendy and to see how our guardianship

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Speaker 6: is going to go moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Joining me now is Ashley Ward Law PI, probably investigator

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Speaker 1: chief operation officer at Nathan's Investigation and has extensive experience

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Speaker 1: investigating conservatorship issues. Ashley, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: This is very concerning to me and I'll tell you why.

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Speaker 1: If Britney Spears and Wendy Williams have to fight tooth

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Speaker 1: and nail to get out from a conservatorship, what about

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Speaker 1: the rest of us regular people? How could we get

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Speaker 1: out of it? If we're wrongfully put in a draconian

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Speaker 1: or harsh conservatorship where you can't even get phone calls,

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Speaker 1: your room is locked, you have to throw notes out

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Speaker 1: for a stranger to find to help you get out.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, Nanthy, things like this happened quite often where pis

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Speaker 15: get hired by families or other concerned individuals who want

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Speaker 15: us to investigate. You know, the well being of this

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Speaker 15: person that's being held in a case like this, For

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Speaker 15: Wendy in particular, I think a private investigator will need

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Speaker 15: to think outside the box because this is very complex.

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Speaker 7: Okay, So we don't only do surveillance.

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Speaker 15: We actually conduct undercover visits at these facilities to see,

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Speaker 15: you know, if she's being mistreated, if she's being denied,

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Speaker 15: you know, certain things. We also investigate or do surveillance

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Speaker 15: on her when she's going out to show that you know,

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Speaker 15: she's capable of making decisions and taking care of herself.

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Speaker 15: But you don't limit the surveillance to only one person.

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Speaker 15: You have to keep your mind open because it could

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Speaker 15: be other individuals who may have a.

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Speaker 7: Hand in this. And you don't want to leave any

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Speaker 7: stones unturned.

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Speaker 15: Okay, you might miss the golden ticket to actually save Wendy.

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Speaker 7: So as a PI, you know, you look at the.

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Speaker 15: Lifestyle people who are close near to her or who

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Speaker 15: might have a hand in.

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Speaker 7: This whole ordeal. What was your lifestyle before.

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Speaker 15: This happened, this whole ordeal, and what is your lifestyle now? Okay,

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Speaker 15: you also want to look into finances. Okay, were you

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Speaker 15: living a lavish lifestyle before this or are you living

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Speaker 15: a lavish lifestyle. Now, so the main concern a PI

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Speaker 15: would have is is she being treated fairly and also

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Speaker 15: investigating those individuals who might have a hand in this

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Speaker 15: whole ordeal.

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Speaker 7: Is this something that's being orchestrated?

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Speaker 15: What evidence can we get as a PI to help

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Speaker 15: save Wendy.

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Speaker 1: You know what you just said, Ashley Wardlaw, It's very convincing.

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Speaker 1: You have to look at her lifestyle before her lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: Now you have to look at other people that are

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Speaker 1: injecting themselves into Wendy's situation. Do they have a dog

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Speaker 1: in the fights, get in the game? Does it benefit

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Speaker 1: them for her to stay in a lockdown or in

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Speaker 1: a controlled environment? Speaking of money, how her money is

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Speaker 1: being spent? This lockdown that the judge had her in

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Speaker 1: was costing nearly a quarter million dollars a year. I

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Speaker 1: don't blame Wendy. I'd want out of it too, Listen.

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Speaker 5: I want to get out of Guardian.

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Speaker 4: It's been over three years. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: It's time for my money and my life to get

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Speaker 4: back to status club.

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Speaker 1: From our friends at ABC Crime Stories with Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: all around the world, the public is keenly interested in

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Speaker 1: Wendy Williams. For instance, in a two B documentary Saving Wendy,

512
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Speaker 1: there were huge viewership numbers. Outlets have reported on her

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Speaker 1: practically every day in her attempt to end her Drayconian guardianship.

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Speaker 1: At this juncture, it's reported that trial attorney Joe Takapina

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Speaker 1: may very well take the case to a jury if

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Speaker 1: the judge, in her wisdom, doesn't end it. Elizabeth mcint

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Speaker 1: her specialist a guardianship and conservatorship issues. So let me understand,

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Speaker 1: the judge is saying, if you want a jury trial,

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Speaker 1: don't speak to the press. So in her mind does

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Speaker 1: she think she could deny Wendy Williams a jury trial.

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Speaker 1: Isn't any comment to the press something you would ask

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Speaker 1: jurrors on vadier So she.

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Speaker 9: Can't deny a jury trial if Wendy Williams has a

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Speaker 9: right to a jury trial.

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Speaker 1: I think more what.

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Speaker 9: She's doing is what the judiciary does in a lot

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Speaker 9: of situations, is which caution against public statements that can

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Speaker 9: kind of influence the outcome of a case. We're making

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Speaker 9: opinions right now based on what Miss Williams is stating

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Speaker 9: or saying, or what we're stating or saying, and the

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Speaker 9: Court of an acsence warning is if you want you know,

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Speaker 9: your neutral jury, we need to make sure that we're

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Speaker 9: not making an argument in.

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Speaker 1: Public Opinia, whoa, whoa, Elizabeth. That's not what she said.

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Speaker 1: She didn't say, if you want a neutral jury, don't

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Speaker 1: poison the jury pool. That's not what she said. She said,

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Speaker 1: If you want a jury trial, tell your client not

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Speaker 1: to speak to the press, if you want a jury trial.

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Speaker 1: As if the judge could take away Wendy Williams right

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Speaker 1: to a jury trial.

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Speaker 9: If she has a right to a jury trial, she

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Speaker 9: has a right to a jury trial.

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Speaker 1: Correct, exactly. And let's just take a look at the

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Speaker 1: biography of Judge Lee set sockle Off. She was primarily

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Speaker 1: a personal injury litigator. You know, some not me, of course,

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Speaker 1: but some would call that an ambulance chaser, you know,

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Speaker 1: personal injury slip and fall, personal injury car crash. She

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Speaker 1: also practiced in family law, divorce, custody of children, splitting

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Speaker 1: up assets. For more than one third of her career.

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Speaker 1: She was an appellate lawyer. Translation, she sat in a

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Speaker 1: cubicle and researched. That's what that means. A pellet lawyer. Interesting.

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Speaker 1: And now she tells Wendy Williams, hey, hey girl, if

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Speaker 1: you want a jury trial, you better not speak to

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Speaker 1: the media. If she feels that way, she could issue

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Speaker 1: a gag order once legal proceed have started. But this

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Speaker 1: sounds very much like a threat. And then to state, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 1: I have always contended Williams will will be given independence

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Speaker 1: she can handle. I question how well she has handled

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Speaker 1: the independence she has been given. I'm curious, Elizabeth, what

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Speaker 1: has Wendy Williams done to deserve that comment from the judge?

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Speaker 1: I question how well she's handled the independence she has

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Speaker 1: been given. What did she do wrong? Why would they

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Speaker 1: just say that to her?

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Speaker 9: The court is concerned with the actions that Wendy Williams

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Speaker 9: is taking right now, including the fact that she may

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Speaker 9: have had a boozy lunch, that she is potentially trying

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Speaker 9: to win a.

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Speaker 1: Court of public.

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Speaker 9: Opinion instead of caring about her own health.

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Speaker 1: Right now, Elizabeth, come on place, court of public opinion.

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Speaker 1: I could put a parrot up there in a cage

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Speaker 1: to just parent court of public opinion. Court of public opinion?

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Speaker 1: So what there are every celebrity courts the press, and

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Speaker 1: they don't get a threat by the judge.

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Speaker 9: Celebrities do court the press, but this is a different

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Speaker 9: situation than your normal celebrity. We're in a situation right

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Speaker 9: now where we have a guardianship where we have concerns

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Speaker 9: about miss Williams and her health, with her mental health,

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Speaker 9: with how she's been treated in the past and currently,

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Speaker 9: and so the court is going to have that overwriting

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Speaker 9: concern and they want to make sure that she's protected.

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Speaker 1: You got me over the barrel, Elizabeth mcinturf about the alcohol,

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Speaker 1: but I hardly think that a glass of wine with

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Speaker 1: her niece constitutes the judge stating, I don't know how

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Speaker 1: well you've handled your freedom. Isn't the jury the sole

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Speaker 1: decider of the facts. Isn't it their province alone, not

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Speaker 1: the judge, to establish and analyze the facts.

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Speaker 9: It'll always come down to the trier of facts to

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Speaker 9: determine whether or not, you know, this old guardianship is

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Speaker 9: appropriate or not, and that is one of the things

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Speaker 9: that they will take into account.

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Speaker 1: Wendy Williams, This by far is not the first time

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Speaker 1: a celebrity has fought to be free from a draconian conservatorship.

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Speaker 1: Britney Spears, for instance, what's the Biggas. I'm thinking a

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Speaker 1: lot about her residency in Vegas. Did she want that? No?

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Speaker 14: No, they worked her.

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Speaker 1: I was a machine. I was a machine, not even human.

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Speaker 1: They literally killed me.

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Speaker 16: They basically worked her. She did rehearsals, she did the

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Speaker 16: whole thing, but she could not get them assighed.

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Speaker 1: She cannot go to a restaurant. Talk about isolation. That's

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Speaker 1: where my friends at Fox Nation. When I was taping Trapped,

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Speaker 1: I was speaking to le Ane Spears, a close relative

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Speaker 1: of Britney Spears. You know. Let me ask doctor Kindall

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Speaker 1: Crowns and doctor Bethany Marshall about hysteria. Hysteria female hysteria

606
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Speaker 1: actually a diagnosis in the nineteenth century for a behavior

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Speaker 1: or symptom that made men usually uncomfortable. It could be depression, infertility,

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Speaker 1: a fondness for writing. According to historical documents, I'm very

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Speaker 1: curious how much Wendy is being penalized because she's not behaving.

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Speaker 1: You ever heard of that diagnosis, doctor Kendall Crown. It

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Speaker 1: led to a lot of mistreatment by women, A lot

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Speaker 1: of mistreatment of women, for instance, putting them in asylums,

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Speaker 1: subjecting them to all sorts of experiments and treatments.

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Speaker 12: Well, yeah, I mean it's part of medical history is

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Speaker 12: the diagnosis of hysteria with women. In fact, the surgery

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Speaker 12: of a hysterectomy was believed that if they remove the

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Speaker 12: uterus that the woman's issue would go away. So it's

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Speaker 12: called a hysterectomy because of hysteria, hysterectomy, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: So that is something no offense Crown's but I think

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Speaker 1: to alleviate the problem, it shouldn't be the uterus to

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Speaker 1: be removed. It should probably be the husband. Doctor Bethany Marshall,

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Speaker 1: can you jump in on that female hysteria, because I

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Speaker 1: believe Wendy is being judged because she's a woman and

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Speaker 1: she has an orthodox behavior.

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Speaker 8: You know, a hysteria is like a a transient emotional

626
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Speaker 8: state that goes away. It's not a sign of anything deeper.

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Speaker 8: And there can also be something called pseudo dementia where

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Speaker 8: a person appears to have dementia on the surface but

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Speaker 8: they don't really have it. I think the thing about

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Speaker 8: Britney Spears Nancy is that the problem is they placed

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Speaker 8: her in a conservatorship with her father. Families are notoriously

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Speaker 8: money hungry when they have a star in their midst

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Speaker 8: and in this case, what the judge is doing is

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Speaker 8: removing her from the family and putting her with a

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Speaker 8: neutral party who has no skin in the game. This

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Speaker 8: person is not going to profit financially off of Wendy Williams.

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Speaker 8: I think the elephant in the room, Nancy, I really do,

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Speaker 8: is the sign getting paid, Yes, but not millions of dollars.

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Speaker 8: She can't do to Wendy Williams what Britney Spears father did.

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Speaker 8: That is the big difference. And Nancy, the judge is

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Speaker 8: getting it right in one respect for sure, and that

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Speaker 8: is she's sending Wendy Williams back for further time testing.

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Speaker 8: In that case, she will see the progression of the disease,

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Speaker 8: which will then be compared against the baseline.

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Speaker 1: Well, doctor Bethany Marshall, you got me over the barrel

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Speaker 1: with her drinking. If in fact she has alcohol related

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Speaker 1: brain damage. This judge socle Off has some sort of

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Speaker 1: problem with Wendy Williams, and she really recused herself from

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Speaker 1: the case. She does not appear impartial and even if

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Speaker 1: she can control herself on the bench now, it's very

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Speaker 1: apparent she has ill feelings toward Wendy Williams. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: want her on my case.

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Speaker 2: We wait as justice unfolds. Free Wendy Williams, Goodbye friend,