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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast. All they want for Christmas

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Speaker 1: is football.

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Speaker 2: Well, if that's the case, we're getting everything we want

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Speaker 2: this year. Thanks Santa from the Chris Westling podcast studio.

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Speaker 2: It's Around the NFL. Dan hands us with heroes, Greg

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Speaker 2: Rosenthal and Mark Sessler.

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Speaker 1: Can you believe it?

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Speaker 2: Week sixteen preview in Bulk.

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Speaker 1: How are you boys?

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Speaker 3: Feeling good? It is a lot of football this Christmas.

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Speaker 3: This is the most football Christmas there has ever been

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Speaker 3: and forever more will be right though, because next year

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Speaker 3: can't top it.

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Speaker 4: It will be more somehow, No, because that will be

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Speaker 4: more next year. The football Sunday naive, Greg, it will move,

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Speaker 4: it will move to Monday. And then it's just it's

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Speaker 4: it's tough.

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Speaker 2: What point does the NFL have the power to just

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Speaker 2: move days themselves? That's a fair point, Like affect the

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Speaker 2: calendar in a like a granular way. I think that's coming.

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Speaker 4: It's like NFL one Birth of Jesus see round right,

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Speaker 4: being shoved into the background.

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Speaker 1: The day is literally just about a sport At this point, I.

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Speaker 3: Feel like it's less about the assault on Christmas and

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Speaker 3: more of the assault on the NBA. They're like, oh,

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Speaker 3: you had that that was cute. We're going to try

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Speaker 3: to take you out in a big way.

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Speaker 1: I feel like that ended all was completely different than.

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Speaker 2: The NBA schedule they've Their counter attack was I saw

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Speaker 2: their schedule now they had like forty games on Christmas

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Speaker 2: it was just like Michael Jordan's playing today. Everybody tune in,

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Speaker 2: right anyway, yesterday's show was with Connor or by the way,

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Speaker 2: but I want to address something Greg.

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Speaker 1: You you got on me a little bit.

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Speaker 2: You said, my common man ranking came down because we

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Speaker 2: had to take another set of photos because yeah, Mark's

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Speaker 2: dentist named Krentis. Yes, so I was a little bit

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Speaker 2: sweaty the first round because they didn't have a fan

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I took the photos. He said, she I

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Speaker 1: could surgically or whatever. I didn't like that. It's in

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Speaker 1: a service for you.

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Speaker 2: Then I helped you. I lifted you on. That feels strong.

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Speaker 2: You're still on our list, Mark for what chant to us.

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Speaker 2: But uh, you said my common man ranking went down. Well,

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Speaker 2: it must be stated that we did get a photo

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Speaker 2: in the prep yesterday for our photo shoot. Oh you're right,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and this watches on the fast channels, watch

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Speaker 2: this on YouTube. Let's check out and this is a

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Speaker 2: normal curren. So what we have here is Greg Rosenthal

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Speaker 2: in the makeup room and it's always multiple that you know,

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Speaker 2: make up people working on Greg.

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Speaker 1: Yes. And you wonder what that's about.

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Speaker 3: Product and container, Well, it's the same as you guys.

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Speaker 3: You guys can make up very often. I don't get

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Speaker 3: any any hair, but she did it today. But it's important.

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Speaker 3: People should watch this on You can watch it on

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Speaker 3: the Fast channel, you can watch.

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Speaker 1: It on a seg to a plug on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: And I got nothing today, and just look at what

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Speaker 3: a monster I am today, no makeup, no hair, and

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Speaker 3: it's just I actually am like seventy five years old now.

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Speaker 3: So when you see the difference, you'll you'll appreciate.

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Speaker 1: We yus used to have a on site barber here.

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Speaker 1: That's what this track's back.

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Speaker 2: And Greg was one of the people, or it might

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Speaker 2: have been the person because he didn't have enough clout,

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Speaker 2: but he still was give me a haircut. And then

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Speaker 2: the boss saw Greg getting a hair Now this is

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Speaker 2: my theory, and they shut down the whole operation. I

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Speaker 2: the guy from the podcast, No, this whole thing is over.

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Speaker 1: I mean we needed to save money. I liked my

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Speaker 2: And if you didn't check out the Holiday Special and

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Speaker 2: Fearless Predictions from Wednesday, you missed Connor or so go

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Speaker 2: back and check that out. Connor reached out to us

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Speaker 2: this morning and he has a charity endeavor that he's

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Speaker 2: It's really a really nice thing that everyone should check out.

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Speaker 2: It is the Holiday Fund dot org Greater Newer Holiday Fund.

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Speaker 2: They've been doing that for over eighty years, serving the

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Speaker 2: Greater Newer community. We put the plug out there and

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Speaker 2: multiple donations pouring in from around the NFL listeners, including

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Speaker 2: multiple like one thousand dollars donations, which is, let's get

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Speaker 2: hip hop Santa back here.

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Speaker 1: Eric, Yeah, come on, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Do we have a chance to get hip hop Sada

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Speaker 3: Formed the heart of Connor, and it is awesome how

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Speaker 3: much our listeners showed up.

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Speaker 2: So donate at Holiday Fund dot org slash donation slash

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Speaker 2: Connor with one end hyphen or two ours.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it tells me that among our listener fan base,

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Speaker 4: I mean wonderful people, you know, wire to wire mostly

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Speaker 1: It's so it's a nice comedy.

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Speaker 2: Well that wasn't And you know what I thought. We

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Speaker 2: learned a lot from the Hallmark conversation yesterday. Mark, It's

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Speaker 2: not just because someone gave doesn't mean they're wealthy. It

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Speaker 2: might just mean they're wealthy of heart, I mean wealthy spirits.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know where you were going with that.

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Speaker 4: It's like I'm saying that inside there's a lot of abundance.

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Speaker 2: An abundance of football to get to, so let's get

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Speaker 2: to it. Week sixteen, we we previewed the Saturday games

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Speaker 2: and TNF And speaking of TNF, Mark and I will

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Speaker 2: be handling tonight's recap of Rams Saints Mar.

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Speaker 1: Greg, you have your Christmas. We don't want to touch

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Speaker 1: anything about religion with Greg after.

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Speaker 2: The not No, we celebrate Christmas, but you are going

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Speaker 2: with your family is sidewalk.

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Speaker 1: This isn't our big celebration.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Ellis and Emica both diehard Rams fans at this point,

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Speaker 3: and we're going and then yeah, they get on a

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Speaker 3: bird tomorrow night, so this is our last night together.

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Speaker 1: It'll be really fun.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the celebration could go utterly south that the

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Speaker 3: That would be sad, but it would be fun. It's

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Speaker 2: Honor, in honor of your family having a wonderful night

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Speaker 1: Do it, get it.

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Speaker 3: I considered it very strongly, and I only didn't do

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Speaker 2: Because you know what part of my bad season I'm

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Speaker 1: Squarely in last place, I believe squarely is strong.

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Speaker 2: Actually, actually I've never been what you have done multiple

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Speaker 1: So my new goal is to be you out.

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Speaker 2: I will not be finishing last and it starts with

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Speaker 2: the Rams of Los Angeles tonight.

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Speaker 4: Well, you give me something, let's go game behind. I'm

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Speaker 1: That's squarely. That's called squarely.

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Speaker 3: You're at seven eight, mark at eight and seven West Bros.

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Speaker 2: I told you I was saying this Greg two months

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Speaker 2: I'm not admitting magic. Some luck and eight weeks to go.

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Speaker 1: I've done that work eight of those weeks. All right,

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Speaker 2: And and I mentioned this on Wednesday. This game Ravens

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Speaker 1: And we'll start with this, Greg.

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Speaker 2: There are members of the Ravens who are unhappy.

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Speaker 1: This is the game.

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Speaker 2: The spread is the Niners are given five points at

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Speaker 1: To me, these two teams Mark are like, are kind.

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Speaker 4: There's no been no way to muzzle them on offense.

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Speaker 3: Kept I did. I thought that was part of the sea.

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Speaker 4: I think it's like the Niners are the had been

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Speaker 1: Super Christmas Night.

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Speaker 3: I feel like Monday Night football has been hitting home

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Speaker 2: I don't I feel bad because they might be listening

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Speaker 1: I think we are looking at something historic here.

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Speaker 2: And if the Ravens Greg who I haven't liked as

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Speaker 2: If they go to San Francisco and win like that

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Speaker 3: I agree, and yet I don't think it's gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: I'm locking up the forty nine ers in this one.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a path.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's wholes it's doing the whole thing where

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Speaker 1: That's how you keep it under thirty.

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Speaker 3: Is just these long drives by the Ravens, Purties numbers

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Speaker 1: Mean, it's gonna kill you for this.

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Speaker 2: By the way, why thick Wesson is gonna kill you

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Speaker 1: This is not gonna I am here. I'm over. I'm

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, when we when we do great teams,

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Speaker 1: But like, that's what the lock competition is for. Not

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Speaker 4: But I did Olden one thing I did tell Madison

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Speaker 4: I don't really care what anyone says. No, I'm not

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Speaker 4: coming in last in this thing. Yes, there at that business. Yes,

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Speaker 4: well let's saddle this one first.

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Speaker 1: Here we go. This worries. Yeah, this is quite the conundrum. Guys,

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Speaker 5: Hey, heroes, we squeaked out another win somehow last week.

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Speaker 5: We've done that a lot this year. A lot of

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Speaker 5: gonna roll over the Ravens. If Greggie had any marbles

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Speaker 5: this year and go bono imano.

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Speaker 1: True.

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Speaker 5: I doubt he'll do it, because he's gonna say I

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Speaker 5: But take a chance, live a little go with your boys.

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Speaker 5: Lock up the forty nine ers, and I have news.

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Speaker 5: Christmas came a little early for the Westling brothers this year.

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Speaker 5: Baby brother Larry had a little boy. OH named him

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Speaker 5: Ezekiel Christopher Westling.

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Speaker 1: Real.

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Speaker 5: Yes, the middle name is after his uncle. Mom and

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Speaker 5: wish you guys all to marry Christmas. I hope to

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Speaker 5: see you soon.

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Speaker 1: Good day.

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Speaker 2: How about that congratulations to Larry Ezekiel Christopher Westling.

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Speaker 1: That is wonderful. There he is. You're watching on your tube.

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Speaker 2: Zeke, Yeah, Zeke Zeke quest Yes, congratulations and Merry Christmas

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Speaker 2: to the whole Westling family. And that is you know

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Speaker 2: you're all locking the Niners. Well it really good about

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Speaker 1: Seven, I don't know. I don't as the Rams flyil

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Speaker 3: In fact, we're all the fact we're all doing it, yeah,

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Speaker 2: But how about win how about what Nick said there?

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Speaker 2: What I mean, you've been riding the Ravens all season

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Speaker 2: and now you're gonna.

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Speaker 3: Tur The point of the locks is to is you're

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Speaker 3: I don't think they're as good as the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 1: Ye, don't, Greg, Can I count it? Like the point

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Speaker 4: My point as Miss Knight Wesleyan versus Rosenthal showdown, just

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Speaker 1: Amazing for the listeners.

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Speaker 3: Actually this works out well for you. My point has

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Speaker 3: it's kind of over.

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Speaker 1: It's just like it's lost.

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Speaker 4: And you imagine I'm gonna I'm gonna do it for

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Speaker 4: Christmas Night? That's a man there, you go.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it for Nick and I see one

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Speaker 3: But the best thing here is, like now I can

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Speaker 1: I'm disgusted by the whole thing. Anything else on this game.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna lose this.

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Speaker 3: Luck I do think the Ravens love the disguise coverages

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Speaker 1: What if I moved to the I will assess me.

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Speaker 3: Rock purty versus disguise coverages sometimes this year, like that's

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Speaker 1: Did they pick yeah, rokwan Is? Really did they not

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Speaker 1: I think you're right he's started out different players since Rokelands.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, that game we'll see if that's a preview

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Speaker 2: these other island games. So it is a triple header

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Speaker 1: I tend to agree with that.

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Speaker 1: And you had Jalen Hurts, the quarterback who, by the way.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: That doesn't sound like everything we've heard about Jalen. I'm

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Speaker 1: He wasn't there.

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Speaker 6: When you think about holistically about one of the things

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Speaker 6: And so when I say we, I mean me, because

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Speaker 2: And just to be clear, Herd said after the loss

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Speaker 2: So we've kind of been poking around this, like what's

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Speaker 4: They they've been very successful, This roster has been very

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Speaker 1: They know each other really well.

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Speaker 4: But I think Herts is on point about the Eagles,

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Speaker 4: and you're right, we've been poking around, We've been seeing it.

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Speaker 4: They've had a tough schedule, and I don't just chalk

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Speaker 4: it up as just l's It's like they've been losing

443
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Speaker 4: to very good teams. Who are you know, viewing Philadelphia

444
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Speaker 4: as the number one target in this three game skid though,

445
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Speaker 4: it's been a real disaster, and I thought that we

446
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Speaker 4: saw like James Bradbury really melt down in the last

447
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Speaker 4: game and it victimized the team. They also as a

448
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Speaker 4: group ranked thirty first, and defensive epapers dropped back over

449
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Speaker 4: the three game losing streak. I mean teams are getting

450
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Speaker 4: the best of them. They have not been able to

451
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Speaker 4: run the ball since Week four, and I think early

452
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Speaker 4: on when they're trying to figure themselves out. Although they

453
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Speaker 4: can run still, they can still be like that team

454
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Speaker 4: from last year. They average less than seventy two yards

455
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Speaker 4: per game on the grounds since Week four. Hearts has

456
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Speaker 4: the most interceptions from the pocket of any quarterback in

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Speaker 4: the league.

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Speaker 1: This season. Turnovers this year, too many turnovers season.

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Speaker 4: It's almost I think that there was an assumption and

460
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Speaker 4: it wasn't like an incorrect assumption that his rise last

461
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Speaker 4: season and doing QB and next like he hung it

462
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Speaker 4: one or two all season long. For me, after after

463
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Speaker 4: you saw what he was, he's not been that player.

464
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Speaker 4: And it's a lot of other stuff happening around him too.

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Speaker 4: It's not just him, but they've just looked a step

466
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Speaker 4: or two down, you know, from who they.

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Speaker 1: Were, and it is part schedule. I do.

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Speaker 4: I still do trust them, but you don't find teams

469
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Speaker 4: like this firing leaders and coordinators in December. That's atypical

470
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Speaker 4: and it tells you something that is going on more

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Speaker 4: than we would even realize behind the scenes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I still think that as a monster red flag.

473
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Speaker 3: And I you know, I listened to some Eagles coverage

474
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Speaker 3: the phl y podcast on the Eagles with Bo Wolf.

475
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Speaker 3: I always enjoy and like they that team they don't

476
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Speaker 3: think they're even some super Bowl contenders anymore in Philadelphia,

477
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Speaker 3: and I I'm.

478
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Speaker 1: Pretty close to that point too.

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Speaker 3: You know, their plus eighteen scoring margin for the year,

480
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Speaker 3: so they that is closer maybe to how they've played

481
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Speaker 3: in terms of UH week to week than the record.

482
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Speaker 3: Nick Sirianni said something this week, Make no mistake about it.

483
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Speaker 3: And when blame is going on, you know the offensive coordinator.

484
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Speaker 3: This offense has run the exact same way the offense

485
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Speaker 3: was runned last year and the year before that. This

486
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Speaker 3: offense is my offense. It should go on me. I

487
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Speaker 3: think it goes unfairly on Brian and I thought right

488
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Speaker 3: there he kind of hit on it, like you got

489
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Speaker 3: so close to it right there. The offense is running

490
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Speaker 3: the same way, and I think it's very predictable at

491
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Speaker 3: this point because they run the same concepts over and over.

492
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Speaker 3: And I think you're seeing this a little bit with

493
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Speaker 3: Arthur Smith too, like what worked last year. And I

494
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Speaker 3: even remember when when Bever Patriots teams with Brady were

495
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Speaker 3: coming off their best years. If they didn't change it enough,

496
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Speaker 3: teams would catch up to what they were doing. And

497
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Speaker 3: it's a boomer bust type of offense where he is hurts,

498
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Speaker 3: attempting very difficult throws and he actually hits on a

499
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Speaker 3: lot of I think he's playing very well, and by

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Speaker 3: very well, I just mean he's a top eight or

501
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Speaker 3: nine quarterback. He's a fourth year player, who's a second

502
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Speaker 3: round pick, who's the top eight or nine quarterback. But

503
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Speaker 3: he's down quite a bit, like you say, from where

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Speaker 3: he was a year ago. And I think the biggest

505
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Speaker 3: thing is like game management. Like there's been a lot

506
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Speaker 3: of talk like, oh, are you a game manager? Are

507
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Speaker 3: you a difference maker? It's like parts does not managed

508
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Speaker 3: games well. He's made bad decisions in the biggest spots

509
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Speaker 3: over and over, even that Jets game, some games that

510
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Speaker 3: they won, he's made like in the biggest spots, he's

511
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Speaker 3: made bad decisions. So I think he's playing well, but

512
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Speaker 3: he's been a little scattershot late in games.

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Speaker 4: But Dan, do you think that there's an element where,

514
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Speaker 4: like we find out after that we know he's overtly

515
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Speaker 4: not been fully healthy in a bunch of games.

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Speaker 1: He was literally ill in this lest playing he's playing.

517
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's.

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Speaker 2: Seventy percent of the league is on their backup quarterback.

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Speaker 2: The Eagles have had him week after week. Yeah, last week.

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Speaker 3: I don't mind him skipping the interview though, because I

521
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Speaker 3: don't know if you happen to see him in his

522
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Speaker 3: postgame press governance on Monday, I was like, he should

523
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Speaker 3: not be doing a postgame press Carver. He looks so

524
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Speaker 3: disastrous and sick. I was just like, keep them away,

525
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Speaker 3: keep them away from everyone.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't an interview.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's you know, it's so you're in

528
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Speaker 2: the fraternity and I just to lock out a big

529
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Speaker 2: moment there you go and dap him up because that's easy.

530
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Speaker 1: But maybe he's thrown up. I don't know. I don't care.

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Speaker 2: I'm just pointing out that Locke was looking for him,

532
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Speaker 2: he couldn't find him. Seventeen turnovers for Hurts so far

533
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Speaker 2: this year. He had eight all last season. So it's

534
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Speaker 2: that's been a big part of the offense. It's just

535
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Speaker 2: not as clean. Nothing's been as clean with the Eagles,

536
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Speaker 2: the Giants. I don't think we need to say too

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Speaker 2: much about them. Let's move on. Raiders at Chiefs. This

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Speaker 2: is the first game of the Christmas Day coverage. This

539
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Speaker 2: is the Nance Romo Wolfson. You know they listen, they

540
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Speaker 2: got big paychecks, but you got Nance Romo, Buck Aikman

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Speaker 2: all working on Christmas Day.

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Speaker 4: You know this is officially and I look this up,

543
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Speaker 4: he's seventy eight. Patrick Mahomes game that Tony Romo has

544
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Speaker 4: operated as well.

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Speaker 2: I can't tell if that's a joker on it sounds

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Speaker 2: right seventy eight. I think that's right. That's impossible. I

547
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Speaker 2: feel like he's time traveled and done multiple games repeatedly.

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Speaker 2: So yes, we're at the same juncture once again. The Raiders,

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Speaker 2: of course they're coming up. Is this an episode of

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Speaker 2: a rest stop? What is this? Is an episode of

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Speaker 2: restop with Greg Rosenthal?

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Speaker 1: Greg?

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Speaker 2: The Raiders feels like they haven't played in a long

554
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Speaker 2: time because they played Thursday night. They got the Chargers

555
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Speaker 2: organization blown up, so now they get extra rest against

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: Is it gonna matter?

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that, sound unridd four extra days couldn't hurt?

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Speaker 1: I do remember thinking couldn't hurt? I need more than that. Well,

560
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Speaker 1: we built a whole segment around here. You're reporting from

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Speaker 1: the Vince Lombardi rest stop.

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Speaker 3: Chiefs are favored, Chiefs are favored by ten and the

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Speaker 3: Raiders first game against the Chiefs, they jumped out to

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Speaker 3: a fastar. I thought a O'Connell played quite well in

565
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Speaker 3: that game. He also played quite well while helping to

566
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Speaker 3: drop a sixty burger on the Chargers last time around.

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Speaker 3: And I'm with you, Dan, I'm sick of waiting for

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Speaker 3: the Chiefs no offense to get better.

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Speaker 1: Is he gonna no, I'm gonna lock up the Raiders? Uh? There,

570
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Speaker 1: come on now.

571
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Speaker 3: I think the Raiders could keep it closer than ten,

572
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Speaker 3: and the Chiefs offense has actually gotten worse since their

573
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Speaker 3: bi week. I oft, oh, maybe they would reset their

574
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Speaker 3: thirteenth in EPA since the by eighteenth with the pass

575
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Speaker 3: And how about Antonio Piers. I know that the schedule

576
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Speaker 3: is a huge part of it, but they were literally

577
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Speaker 3: twenty sixth in defense when they fired Josh McDaniels EPA.

578
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Speaker 3: Since that moment and they're three and three, I believe

579
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Speaker 3: in terms of win loss their second So I don't

580
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Speaker 3: know if he's gonna ever keep his job, but if

581
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Speaker 3: you somehow beat the Chiefs in Arrowhead, that would be

582
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Speaker 3: a way to keep your job.

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Speaker 4: I really think that he should be considered. I mean,

584
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Speaker 4: I think a lot of it. This has been kind

585
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Speaker 4: of a case study and like the human side of

586
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Speaker 4: coaching matters, Like Josh McDaniels like just lost this team

587
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Speaker 4: a long time ago, and it was like every little

588
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 4: nook and cranny you heard reporting wise was like more

589
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Speaker 4: and more issues between former coach and teammates. Everyone wanted

590
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Speaker 4: out of there. This has been a different experience. That said,

591
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Speaker 4: I mean, the Chiefs under Mahomes have dominated this matchup.

592
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Speaker 4: They have absolutely dominated. But this is a different Chiefs offense,

593
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Speaker 4: you are. We are seeing it week after week and

594
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Speaker 4: the numbers start to become remarkable for a Patrick Mahomes

595
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Speaker 4: led operation. They have the most drops in the NFL

596
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Speaker 4: twenty six that They've had four plus drops in three games,

597
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Speaker 4: and I mean some of them have been on an

598
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 4: island performances where it's like these guys are melting down.

599
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Speaker 1: It's like I am over.

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Speaker 4: I'm with you, Gregor with the sense like I am

601
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Speaker 4: done expecting them to do anything else.

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Speaker 1: He leads the league.

603
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Speaker 4: By a large margin over the last couple of years

604
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 4: of touchdowns to running backs and that's what half their

605
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Speaker 4: passing game is in the red zone.

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Speaker 2: Now, I want to a couple of things here, and

607
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Speaker 2: I'm still smarting. It's one of the great fantasy teams

608
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Speaker 2: I ever built, and it was Mahomes in large part

609
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Speaker 2: that got me picked off in Round one. So it

610
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 2: should be obvious that he's going to do what he's

611
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Speaker 2: done literally all season long. He's gonna throw for two

612
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Speaker 2: hundred and one yards two touchdowns. Maybe pick but or

613
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Speaker 2: because this is just the way I think. Now he's

614
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Speaker 2: going to become Mahomes against the Raiders. For everyone else,

615
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Speaker 2: it's still in the playoffs, he'll throw for four hundred

616
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Speaker 2: and six touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: Totally could see that.

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Speaker 2: My guy, John Boy, Jimmy O'Brien I talked about he's

619
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Speaker 2: a great lip reader, and he does baseball stuff.

620
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Speaker 1: He's doing more football stuff apparently.

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Speaker 4: Like literally just after you suggested it. I feel like

622
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Speaker 4: he's you might have given him an idea there.

623
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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's quite accurate, but I like

624
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Speaker 2: the idea that he read the lips of Mahomes. After

625
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: the latest Cadarius Tony meltdown, he goes back to the

626
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 2: sideline after Tony drops it and it becomes an interception

627
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: that leads to a Patriots touchdown. He plops down on

628
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: the bench Mahomes and he goes and apologies. But this

629
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Speaker 2: is journalism. I just don't get it. Man referring to

630
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: Tony like everything, and you know exactly what he means

631
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: when he says that. And here he is still targeting

632
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: guys like Kadarius Tony. So the frustration around this team

633
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: is real. It makes sense that they're going to figure

634
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: it out, but they haven't yet, so I don't think

635
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: they will, and it's going to be a closer game

636
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 2: than people realize.

637
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Speaker 3: This was the Jarrett Stidham game last year where he

638
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 3: made it interesting in a weird like Holiday Raiders Chiefs game.

639
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: Jared Sinam's so annoyed because it was like, I'm supposed

640
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: to be the quarterback of the Broncos. That made so

641
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: much sense that I was the quarterback by Halloween. But

642
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: he is still I don't think is he taking a

643
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: snap up there this year. I don't think he has.

644
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Speaker 1: Well, it didn't go according to what we predicted.

645
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: Let's be yeah, all right, let's go to the I

646
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: can't even keep tracking. Oh this is Christmas Eve night,

647
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: Patriots at Broncos. Broncos A nice segue, like those accidental segues.

648
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: Broncos given six and a half to the Pats here,

649
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: which is technically within our lock zone. So this is

650
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Speaker 2: you know, this is easy money if if one were

651
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Speaker 2: so inclined. Rich Eisen on the call with Kurt Warner

652
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: and Jamie Erdall of Good Morning Football. Greg, Yeah, the

653
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Speaker 2: Broncos feels like this is like reluctantly to this is

654
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Speaker 2: just like a back pocket w that keeps him in

655
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Speaker 2: the playoff race, or or because I know you think

656
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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson is still bad the average.

657
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Speaker 1: The Patriots have a chance to make this game close.

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00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: They have a chance because I don't think the Broncos

659
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 3: are so unbeatable and they sort of play a type

660
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 3: of schedule or a type of football that invites close games.

661
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: They only have a twenty four percent chance to make

662
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 3: the playoffs the Broncos, according to the New York Times predictor.

663
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: But if they go three and oh over the.

664
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Speaker 3: Next three weeks, which on paper sounds like okay, that's

665
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 3: a big ass to go three and o, it goes

666
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: up to eighty percent. So I'm I'm torn here because

667
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 3: they got the Patriots. The Broncos are the Patriots at home,

668
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 3: the Chargers at home, and then their toughest game left

669
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 3: is at Raiders. That is that is invited, that is doable,

670
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 3: and they are I apologize to my uncle Dave.

671
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: Uncle Dave take a heat. He used to listen to

672
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: the show. Maybe he still does.

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Speaker 3: Justin uh, big Broncos fan, my cousin, you know, I

674
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: don't want it. This is the team I don't want

675
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 3: to see in the playoffs because it's just the same

676
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 3: thing every week. It's like Russell Wilson, hold, hold, hold, checkdown, hold, hold, hold, checkdown,

677
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: and then you have the long passes the Sutton and

678
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 3: that's all fine. But I watched this team and we

679
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: saw him on on Saturday night against the Lions, and

680
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 3: to me, they're they're middling, but they're middling enough where

681
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 3: they remind me of old Patriots teams. Is well, they

682
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 3: just beat the bad teams on their schedule, and the

683
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 3: Patriots are one of those.

684
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 4: They've got a good defense, the Patriots. I mean, they're

685
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 4: allowing about fourteen points per game since Week ten and

686
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 4: that's been legit, and that's been against a.

687
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: Cut scoring thirteen points. Again.

688
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 4: I think it's like they're all the issue your offense

689
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 4: like was I would have described it as dead months ago.

690
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 4: We have to come up with new terms and new

691
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 4: words describe what's happening now. And like war that Bailey

692
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 4: Zappie was going to come in and change the world.

693
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 4: He was seventeen for nineteen in the first half last week,

694
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 4: then they go out.

695
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 3: He's definitely been an upgrade. He's been better, but that

696
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 3: has the twenty ninth best court.

697
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 4: Like as a team, they put up fifty seven yards

698
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 4: in the second half. I don't I don't love their

699
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 4: injuries situation either, Like Ramandri Stevenson has been out for

700
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 4: a while, still don with an ankle injury, not out

701
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 4: practicing dated day. They're saying, so that's that's possible, but

702
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 4: you already have nothing in the passing game. Juju Smith

703
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 4: Schusters banged up with an ankle injury. Hunter Henry didn't practice,

704
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. So it was like, it doesn't matter.

705
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 4: All those guys are one of these, don't. I mean

706
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 4: the Patriots Dome, there's several. We're now at the point

707
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 4: of the season where these teams are playing out the string,

708
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 4: the Patriots and every fan wants them to lose this game.

709
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 3: Will they matter if they can get Sean Payton to

710
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 3: start screaming at Russell Wilson in a manner that when

711
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 3: I rewatched it, they talked about it was almost almost

712
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 3: uncomfortable because Russell just sits there and takes it. And

713
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 3: to me, this was I'm fine with like coaches yelling

714
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 3: at players, of course, but he was just from he's

715
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 3: just being a bully oot out.

716
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: That's not uncomfortable. That's this is what everyone's like. Everything

717
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: needs to be sanitized. Now that's a fire up coach

718
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: and the player who his job is to listen to

719
00:32:59,200 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: the coach or.

720
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: Yell assessing it, maybe yell back a little bit.

721
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 3: But here here's here's the reason why I hate it

722
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 3: is because Peyton's not mad at Russell will He is

723
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 3: mad at Russell Wilson in that moment. But the reason

724
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 3: he yells is because he's mad at the call in

725
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 3: the in the situation, and he's mad that he didn't

726
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 3: just call a touchdown that all he had to do

727
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 3: was challenge it and he had a touchdown. Sean Payton

728
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 3: had just cost them seven points in that exact moment.

729
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 3: He had totally blown it, and he's mad about that,

730
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 3: and he's yelling at Russell.

731
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: You're yelling at him. It just was like, come on, bro,

732
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: do you how do you want him to respond to you?

733
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: Now you're you come at me, bro.

734
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: It's it was saying Mike McGlinchey on Sean Payton yelling

735
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: in the direction of Russell Wilson last Saturday.

736
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: I think it's been completely blown out of proportion.

737
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: All that is is competitive fire and frustration of certain

738
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: things that go wrong. Like that's I'm more to.

739
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: It just was saying that this doesn't matter.

740
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 3: I agree with that, but it just was unique in

741
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 3: that moment that he and even Peyton tried to say,

742
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: I was mad about the call.

743
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: Well then what are you talking about? What are you?

744
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: Why are you?

745
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: Here's good news, by the way, The Holiday Classic that see,

746
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 2: we have this branded now. The Holiday Classic is back

747
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: on NFL Network Christmas Eve. Watch a special night of

748
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 2: primetime football as the Patriots take on the Broncos the

749
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 2: NFL Holiday Classic. It's Sunday, eight pm Eastern only on

750
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: NFL Network and streaming on NFL Plus.

751
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: What Mark, What could you possibly say here?

752
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 4: I'm just going to say, we've got we've scattered like

753
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 4: fourteen games on little literal holidays.

754
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: I'm reading a promo for our network.

755
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 4: Well, Holiday, We're doing a great job. I'm excited about them.

756
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 4: Have a nice time.

757
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: What do you want? What kind of discourse?

758
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 4: Readearly games on Christmas are not part of a Holiday Classic.

759
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 1: This is our special Holiday Class. It's like Mark, It's

760
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: NFL Networks game Those other games. I technically get it.

761
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: So it's their holiday class. It's an annual tradition. Maybe.

762
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's more fitting than either of you do.

763
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 4: I couldn't be more in favor of it.

764
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 2: Let's take a break and we'll get to the draft.

765
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back. It is time now for the

766
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: first overall pick in the ATM Draft, presented by Draft Kings.

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00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: GREGGI, you are on the clock. I will take the

768
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: game of the day that day. This is December twenty fourth.

769
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 3: This will be Christmas. It will be Sunday. It is

770
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 3: the Cowboys at the Dolphins. The Dolphins favored by a

771
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 3: scant one point. Uh, they're minus one oh eight over

772
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 3: under is fifty.

773
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 2: Look, I think this is gonna be a score fest.

774
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question, and I like that more.

775
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 2: If the Cowboys comport themselves in a more competitive manner

776
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: against the Bills. This is probably This is Cowboys by three, right.

777
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: I think people are freaking out about them on the road.

778
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: Now it's not They're three and four on the road

779
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: and undefeated at home.

780
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: I think you're right where nobody's underdog.

781
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 3: That last week's results had a direct impact, not just

782
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 3: the Cowboys losing the game, but mostly that and also

783
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 3: the Dolphins winning thirty to nothing in such a convincing

784
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 3: fashion because you start worrying about this Cowboys defense specifically

785
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: last in the league in success rate allowed. So I

786
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: mean there's one thing to like, Okay, we're kind of bad,

787
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 3: or there's this there you can find some weird stat.

788
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 3: Success rate is a very down to down stat of

789
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 3: like do we give up four yards very regularly when

790
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 3: the other team runs it? You know, on third and two?

791
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 3: Do we ever get stops when they run against us?

792
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 3: And they were thirty first in the league going into

793
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 3: the Buffalo game. Buffalo took advantage of it in a

794
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: way that other teams haven't. You have to stay close,

795
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 3: you have to get the lead, and the Dolphins are

796
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: a very different running attack in terms of how they

797
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 3: run it. They also might be missing their entire right

798
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 3: side of the offensive line, which really is a bummer,

799
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 3: Austin Jackson and Robert Hunt. They might be down to

800
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 3: one starter left on their offensive line, which is Toron Armstead,

801
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 3: and even he's banged up, but I think he's gonna play.

802
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 3: But they're running game. Miami's has been really good this year.

803
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 3: And as great as Waddle and Hill are and they'll

804
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 3: make some plays here. I actually do think the way

805
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 3: that Miami can win this game is to stay patient

806
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 3: with that running game and attack like the Bills did.

807
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 3: Marquispell and Damone Clark two names I don't know if

808
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 3: we've said once all year on this show, and they

809
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 3: are the weaknesses of the Cowboys. They are the Cowboys

810
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 3: off ball linebackers, and you get that outside zone working

811
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 3: with moster Ah Chan was back at practice Thursday, Like

812
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 3: I can see them having a lot of success on

813
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 3: the ground against the Cowboys in a way that I

814
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 3: don't really see the Cowboys doing it.

815
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 1: On the other side. What happened against Buffalo.

816
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 4: It's like I think sometimes you get games where it's

817
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 4: a fair question to say, like did Buffalo put like

818
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 4: a blueprint out there? Or other teams that can run

819
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 4: the ball well to try to mimic, and the Dolphins

820
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 4: are one of those teams. They lead the league and

821
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 4: yards per rush three point five yards after contact, so

822
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 4: they're like automatic effective on the ground. But a lot

823
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 4: of it is like some of the runs we've seen

824
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 4: from a Chan from most or all year long. When

825
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 4: it's working it's working, and I think like what it

826
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 4: allows you to do if you're Miami, and especially with

827
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 4: all these like offensive line injuries, I'd rather try to

828
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 4: like engage our run blocking than our pass protection if

829
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 4: we can to offset, you know, Micah Parsons like two.

830
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: Is good at getting the ball out.

831
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 4: But if you can run like they did last week

832
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 4: with Buffalo and James Cook, it kind of takes Micah

833
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 4: Parsons out of the picture. It takes that whole side

834
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 4: of their defense out of the picture. They are really

835
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 4: banged up. But I really think this is one way

836
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 4: where Miami can do it. I don't have a problem

837
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 4: with it being favored by three. I mean one by

838
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 4: one or three, but one's even nicer.

839
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 2: If the Cowboys lay another egg on the road here,

840
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 2: they'll they'll have done it again. They'll have snookered everybody

841
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: because they'll prove to me that, oh, okay, I know

842
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen. And whether it's the wildcard round of

843
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 2: the divisional round, you really are a team that you're

844
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: kind of a front running type team that can bully

845
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: teams in your building, but you're vulner on the road.

846
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: I still don't think that's who this team is. I

847
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 2: think this is a different team.

848
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: I like them.

849
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: I already said on Wednesday, I think the Bills can

850
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: steal this division.

851
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: That's a fearless prediction.

852
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: However, However, let's also keep in mind the Dolphins still

853
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: have a two game cushion here in the East, and

854
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: they could put a choke hold the whole goal for

855
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 2: the Dolphins. And I know every Dolphins fan, even though

856
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 2: we don't always see I I I'd do the same

857
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: way as you do. We want to do everything in

858
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 2: our power to not have it come down to Week eighteen,

859
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 2: because I hate that situation. If the Bills keep winning here,

860
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: and what a bummer it would be to let this

861
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: division get away after you've had such a great year.

862
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 2: You can beat the Cowboys at home and then hell,

863
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 2: the Bills could slip up one of the next two weeks,

864
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: or you can go beat Baltimore next week and then

865
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: the division's done. But I'm just saying you, for a

866
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 2: team that's ten and three, we should give it or

867
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: ten and four, we should give them the credit that

868
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 2: they could pull that off. Uh, and we shall see.

869
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: So the Dolphins here, I think the goal here is

870
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 2: make week eighteen not matter because of it?

871
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: Does I don't feel good.

872
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 4: I like Greg you mentioned this to some degree, but

873
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 4: it's like I a lot of teams, it's December going

874
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 4: through this. They have seventeen players on the on their

875
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 4: injury report Miami, and like a bunch of those guys

876
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 4: will play right.

877
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 1: Tyreeks was as of Thursday, is not practical right.

878
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 4: And I guess it's like Tyreek will also feel like

879
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 4: I feel like there's been four games where I thought

880
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 4: he broke his ankle, but like ten minutes later, he's

881
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 4: running faster than ever, so he's a quick healer, and

882
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 4: like maybe you get the version of him you expect,

883
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 4: but maybe not. And like their offensive line is about

884
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 4: his banged up outside of maybe Cleveland and a few others,

885
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 4: as any team in the league. And so it's like

886
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 4: that does affect to it, like to a missing offensive

887
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 4: lineman last year was there were big sample sizes that

888
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 4: showed the difference. That's why I think this ground game

889
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 4: with a minus Jonathan Hankins for Dallas is the way to.

890
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 3: Get you missed the thrower to in that Tennessee game

891
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 3: that McDaniel in a clip that's been circulated pretty widely

892
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 3: from Hard Knock called out and I love that clip

893
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 3: because McDaniel starts by pointing the finger at himself, showing

894
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 3: the team like, I have accountability.

895
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: Look how much I messed up.

896
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 3: I should have had better play costs here and the

897
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 3: other two players he all that Very interesting to me

898
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 3: was Tua and Jalen Ramsey for specific plays. And he

899
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 3: did it in a very like constructive positive way. But

900
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 3: that was almost BELICHICKI and kind of calling out the

901
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 3: best player, saying, you know you do, Yeah, so the

902
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 3: good coach does.

903
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 2: And and Jalen Ramsey has really been incredible this year,

904
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: way better than he was last year. Even though he's

905
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: a year older coming off surgery. He's a better player.

906
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 2: He kind of erased Garrett Wilson last week. You look

907
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: at all his data points. He's been one of the

908
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: best cornerbacks in the league. So that was a major

909
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 2: acquisition by Miami. That is fort to five their back end.

910
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 4: But a match on G defense requires a cornerback like

911
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 4: that in a lot of cases. And since he's returned,

912
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 4: and I think we saw it right away, they've allowed

913
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 4: they've allowed seven touchdowns and had nine interceptions. Like he

914
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 4: really changed their past Tea.

915
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 3: His matchup against Ceedee Lamb and he could travel with

916
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 3: them a decent amount.

917
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 1: Is as good as it gets.

918
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 3: And the other thing I'm just watching is was it

919
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 3: just a bad week for Dallas offensively? Because this is

920
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 3: a very tough dolphinse defense. For the last two months,

921
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 3: they've really come into their own, their defensive lines playing

922
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 3: great Wilkins, Zach Steeler, Bradley Chubb.

923
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: Is you know that that game against the Jets.

924
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 3: I know it was the Jets, but it was the

925
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 3: most dominant defensive performance I saw from many team all year.

926
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: I know it was against the Jets, but I just

927
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 3: mean the level of ferocity and dominance was kind of

928
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 3: next level. So now it's against an offensive line which

929
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 3: has been great until last week. That's a really good

930
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 3: matchup win when the Cowboys.

931
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: There wasn't a better more impactful pass rusher than Bradley

932
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: Chubb last week either. So like, if he's going off, uh,

933
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 2: that's major problems for Dak. I'm picking the the Dolphins

934
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: in this game. What do you guys got, you know what?

935
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: I want the Cowboys to show us that they're different,

936
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 2: you know, Like, so I have my I have some

937
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: doubt that crept in after last week, but that was

938
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 2: also a tough spot in Buffalo.

939
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 4: Like the Cowboys, I tick Miami by a field goal,

940
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 4: meaning they're gonna win three nothing a Miami.

941
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm not moving on to like a Miamy Miami. Tell no.

942
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,440
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Speaker 1: The crown is yours.

947
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: All right, let's move to the second pick. It's mine.

948
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 2: Here's a here's a tricky situation. Oh tricky, dicky situation.

949
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: Because I want in I like watching the games live, Okay,

950
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 2: it matters to me. I will I want to in

951
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: on this Browns magic. But then I think to myself,

952
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 2: well that Mark doesn't does Mark Kerry?

953
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: Did he? Or said?

954
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 2: He's historically a Browns fan? But I don't want to

955
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: take that game. I want in on the magic, but

956
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 2: I don't want to take that from you. So I'm

957
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 2: going to say to you, Mark, do you want the

958
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 2: Browns game?

959
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: Yeah? I do, Okay, So then I will go in

960
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: a different direction. Now, Christmas. Thank you. Let's then go

961
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,479
Speaker 1: to the team of around the NFL, and this is a.

962
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: I think this is telling that when I'm looking at

963
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 2: the games, I feel most comfortable with picks.

964
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: It's the last two weeks.

965
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the Vikings and I'm thinking, oh, they're

966
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: a team that's going down.

967
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: And yet they really did.

968
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: They were up seventeen to three late last week, and

969
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 2: they looked like they had kind of figured some things

970
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: out and gotten some swagger back. And then they let

971
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 2: that game, of course get away, lose to Jake Browning late,

972
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: so now their backs are against the wall. And I

973
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 2: like that on one hand, Minnesota at home desperate for

974
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: the win. But I also wonder if the Lions are

975
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: shaken out of their funk and the Vikings are now

976
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: getting the Lions when they are in a good spot.

977
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: And you got Jared Goff playing indoors coming off a

978
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 2: five touchdown game, And this does feel potentially to me

979
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 2: greg the kill shot of them around the NFL.

980
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: I don't want it to do that.

981
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: I'm pulling hard for the team of atl but I

982
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: don't like this matchup for them.

983
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: I just don't like it.

984
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 3: Well, they have them twice in the last three weeks

985
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 3: and the Lions, I mean, the Vikings can probably make

986
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: the playoffs.

987
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: If they split those.

988
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 3: If they lose this game, their chances to make the

989
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 3: playoffs go down to still thirty five percent, which isn't bad.

990
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 3: So they basically I ran it a few different ways.

991
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 3: They got to go two and one in the final

992
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 3: three weeks.

993
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: When you say I ran it a few different I mean,

994
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: what does that mean.

995
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 3: I mean I just on the little playoculation. No, I

996
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 3: don't do anything New York in this case New York Times.

997
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 3: But there's a few different ones ESPNS one two, where

998
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 3: you like, do the combo of Okay, they lose this

999
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 3: game and not a game you do a three, and

1000
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 3: oh you do one and two?

1001
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: Does it matter?

1002
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 3: In this case, it doesn't matter much because they have

1003
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: all Division games left. They got to win two out

1004
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 3: of three is basically the end of the story to

1005
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 3: have a chance. They'll have a good chance, so they

1006
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 3: could afford one more loss. But at some point you

1007
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 3: got to stop the bleeding. This is that point. I'm

1008
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 3: just fascinating to see Flores versus Jared Goff in this

1009
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 3: matchup and that Blitz going after him. The offensive line

1010
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: played really well last week. Detroit's with Frank Ragnow back

1011
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 3: at center. They're healthy as they've been all season long,

1012
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 3: and they really handled what Denver tried to do. I

1013
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 3: think Minnesota is a more aggressive, better version of that defense.

1014
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: But if they can block it up, forget it.

1015
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 3: I think they'll start going up and down the field

1016
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 3: like Browning did at the end of last week.

1017
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 4: I think that's the matchup because they're the numbers that

1018
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 4: are out there show that obviously on our floor as

1019
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 4: we know that they're blitz happy. They rushed six plus

1020
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 4: guys more than any team in the league. They rush

1021
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 4: you know, four to five and other variations pretty much

1022
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 4: more than a team in the league. And Goff has

1023
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 4: actually been successful in that situation when that when he's

1024
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 4: dealt with a four or five man rush. This season,

1025
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 4: he's got twenty three touchdowns, which leads any other quarterback

1026
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 4: in that situation in the entire league. And like, I

1027
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 4: like a couple things for the Lions, Like I thought

1028
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 4: they got out of their funk last week big time.

1029
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 4: We got the pristine version of golf. They're running the

1030
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 4: ball really well. They to me, essentially they don't play

1031
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 4: outside again for the rest of the year that matters.

1032
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 4: I think the kind of team that you don't want

1033
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 4: to stick them in the elements, and this game in general,

1034
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 4: it's like this division in general, if you look at

1035
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 4: the Packers too, are just littered with young Like the

1036
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 4: future of the division is happening right before our eyes,

1037
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 4: because like Jamiir Gibbs has been statistically one of the

1038
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 4: best running backs and visual running backs in the league

1039
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 4: since he came back from his injury. Sam Laporta is

1040
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 4: a star. Jordan Addison for the Vikings is a future star.

1041
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 4: I mean, it's like there's a lot of young talent.

1042
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 4: Jamison Williams is kind of finally showing it came off

1043
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 4: at one of his best games.

1044
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 1: You want to see more, but that's the start.

1045
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 4: Like Daniel Hunter, who they finally kept in this cost

1046
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 4: cutting offseason, like leads the league in sacks right now.

1047
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 4: I mean, there's a lot to like here from a

1048
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 4: two team billion perspective.

1049
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: And also, I like, let's think about this.

1050
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: Brian Flores basically runs the type of defense that I

1051
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: play in Madden.

1052
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: I thought, I've played Madden for a few years.

1053
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 2: Now, but he either blitzes the house or he has

1054
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 2: this drop eight concept where it's like one or the other.

1055
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: They say, he's like one of the more extreme ways

1056
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 2: to run a defense in the league. It's like a

1057
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: popular college concept and I'm just curious to see how

1058
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 2: that affects or how they can get burned. There is

1059
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: a crazy stat out there that the Lions have a

1060
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 2: chance to be the first team in a long time.

1061
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think who would have been to have

1062
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: two one thousand yard receivers and two one thousand yard rushers.

1063
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: Wow.

1064
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: So they don't get talked up as enough as much

1065
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 2: as the Niners, for instance, for having infinite weapons, and

1066
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: maybe the Stars aren't quite as bright, but they have

1067
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: so many ways to beat you, and I think that

1068
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 2: makes Minnesota vulnerable too, to get beaten by their aggressive blitzing.

1069
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: GoF is not Joe Montana.

1070
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 2: Gov's not going to the Hall of Fame, but he

1071
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 2: can read a defense and get the ball out quickly.

1072
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: I just hate this matchup. I hate this matchup for

1073
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: a team of eightm I'm worried tod I did pick

1074
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 1: the Lions in this game. By the way, the Lions.

1075
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 2: How about this Detroit fans that have been listening to

1076
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 2: the podcast from the very beginning and you already know it,

1077
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 2: but for those that don't know, it's been thirty years

1078
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: since the Detroit Lions won a division title. Only your

1079
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 2: Brownies mark this is fun the sandwich between the Browns

1080
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: and the Jets. Eighty nine for the Browns as you know,

1081
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 2: two thousand and two for the Jets and Raiders as well.

1082
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety three and the last time the Lions won

1083
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 2: their division, which means they actually never won the NFC North,

1084
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 2: which was reconfigured in two thousand and two. So here

1085
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 2: is their chance to do what all they got to

1086
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 2: do is win. They win the NFC North and that

1087
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: will be a well deserved division title. And as a

1088
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 2: former team around the NFL, I feel proud because the

1089
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 2: idea that we would have got them the year before

1090
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: they became mainstream.

1091
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to do them again.

1092
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 4: You guys were again just another I'd be having fun

1093
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 4: with him right up the avenue of Flashpoint Focus.

1094
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: We write it's not as fun though, Greg, because we've

1095
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 2: set them off and they were a good team from

1096
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 2: the jump.

1097
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: This year we like to, okay, find a team they've

1098
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: set behind. They've still exceeded expectations. They're way over the

1099
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: uh what they favored the win litvision.

1100
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 3: Sure, but like they're over under for wins was like

1101
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 3: nine and a half, I believe, and they're already a ten.

1102
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 7: Uh.

1103
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 3: They're by the way minus three in this game minus

1104
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 3: one seventy, so they are favored to win their division.

1105
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 3: And I think your points about all the stars in

1106
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 3: this game are right. We keep we've said, like Gibbs

1107
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 3: and Laporta, what a great combination. But I'm I'm not

1108
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 3: sure we've quite circled like how good they are right now.

1109
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 3: I'm with you, Jamir Gibbs, other than Kristin McCaffrey, I'd

1110
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 3: like to I'm trying to think of which running back

1111
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 3: I would rather have this week. Yeah, like Jamir Gibbs,

1112
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 3: the explosiveness is just crazy. Just the combination of skills

1113
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 3: is just crazy. And Laporta is doing things in terms

1114
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 3: of his numbers that haven't been done since Mike Dicka.

1115
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 3: It's one of the great rookie seasons by a tight

1116
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: end in history. That's like, these two are among the

1117
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 3: very bad I was thinking about all pro tight end. Okay,

1118
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 3: it's it's probably Kittle one who would be number two, Like,

1119
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 3: it's very possibly. Sam Laporta, I don't no problem with us.

1120
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 3: It's pretty amazing prety across.

1121
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 4: The way, like people were killing them for trading away

1122
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 4: T J. Hawkinson. It's like, well, you just went and

1123
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 4: got a better player.

1124
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: Well he's actullent.

1125
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 4: I like Hawkinson too, but it's like it was. It

1126
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 4: was just like they both kind of won that trade win.

1127
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 2: I agree, all right, let's uh, let's move up next, Mark,

1128
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 2: and I think we know where you're going.

1129
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, I will go Cleveland at Houston. I think this

1130
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 4: is a classic case where I had if Houston were healthy,

1131
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 4: this would feel like not even trap game because they're

1132
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 4: tied to top.

1133
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: They're a great game, absurd.

1134
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 4: Division, right, it would be like it would be a

1135
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 4: very intriguing matchup. The problem is it just does not

1136
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:47,919
Speaker 4: sound like we're getting CJ.

1137
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: Strauts. I hate that.

1138
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 2: By the way, when you have a head injury, you

1139
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 2: miss a game and playing it's smart. When it's still

1140
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 2: hanging around now into week two, you start to worry

1141
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 2: about when we see this guy.

1142
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I I thought, like, like watching that when

1143
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 4: it happened, because you're waiting to find out how serious

1144
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 4: some of these concussions are if you're gonna come back

1145
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 4: next week, it looked bad.

1146
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: I mean he looked completely at it, sensitivity the lights

1147
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: still like a week later.

1148
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he's like, that's not great. Nicol Collins did

1149
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 4: come back to practice. Jimmy Ward for the Texans came

1150
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 4: back to practice. Will Anderson does not that he did not,

1151
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 4: So I don't know what's gonna happen with that one.

1152
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 4: And that's a big deal against the Browns offensive line

1153
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 4: that is completely battered right now, like Will Anderson and

1154
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 4: this defense in general for Houston, like with or without

1155
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 4: Will Anderson, I think kind of what we saw last

1156
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 4: week when you got guys like Jonathan Grenard and Derek Barnett,

1157
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 4: Jerry Hughes, Derek Stingley, like they're really well coached, interesting defense,

1158
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 4: And because Cleveland is so banged up along the offensive line,

1159
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 4: that that's the version of what Joe Flacco could be

1160
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 4: put into that I don't love, because you know that

1161
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 4: was It's been a great story and last week was

1162
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 4: a heroic performance to kind of come back through the

1163
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 4: mistakes that he made. But there were a lot of

1164
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 4: turnover worthy players from Flacco last week, like they aren't.

1165
00:52:58,960 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 1: They're one of the worst.

1166
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 4: Like he's made them better, but statistically over the course

1167
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 4: of the year, they've been one of the worst.

1168
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: Passing attacks in the league.

1169
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 4: But I think his connection with n Djoku, with the

1170
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 4: Maury Cooper has been legit and like immediate. And so

1171
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 4: this is a game where if you're the Browns, I

1172
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 4: don't think you can it couldn't. You couldn't get the

1173
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 4: Texans at a better time. And if you can just

1174
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 4: have your defense do what it normally does against case

1175
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 4: Keenum and friends, you then would move to ten and five. Yeah,

1176
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 4: and at that point, like you're pretty locked in for

1177
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 4: the playoffs, Sparring an absolute disaster.

1178
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: Hurrently, you're only one back in the division, right.

1179
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 2: I am not going to say it again. I said

1180
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 2: it last week. Everything kind of makes sense that the

1181
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 2: Flakua thing comes down to earth. And sure enough he

1182
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: made those big throws at the end. He had a

1183
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: mistake filled game. And why did he have a mistake

1184
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 2: filled game? In large part because the offensive line wasn't

1185
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 2: as good and he was hurried and he forced throws.

1186
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: So is there a reality here where Flacco now he

1187
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 2: had his little run and it runs out perhaps, but

1188
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 2: the matchup is good, like you said, they they they're

1189
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: getting a Houston team that's in a bad way physically,

1190
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 2: and maybe this just is a special run here with Laco,

1191
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 2: And he keeps up, don't like that he shaved his beard.

1192
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 4: I like it.

1193
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: I don't get why you do that.

1194
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 2: I don't think you change anything when you're having a

1195
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 2: little magic carpet ride moment. And I just want to

1196
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 2: also say, and I don't think I formerly have done this.

1197
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: Mark so the a buddy of mine in my fantasy league,

1198
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 2: texted this morning. He can't believe he's in a place

1199
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 2: where he's in a semi final matchup and he's trying

1200
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 2: to figure out whether to start Travis Kelce with Patrick

1201
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 2: Mahomes or David and Joku with Joe Flacco. But that

1202
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 2: has been the connection of connections these last couple of weeks.

1203
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 2: I do formally have to make David and Juco and

1204
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 2: Joko you're my guy.

1205
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: Oh wow, it's officially your guy.

1206
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 4: I you know, I think that just how to put

1207
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 4: that on the red getting your guy thing is typically

1208
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 4: kind of a ahead of trying to get ahead of

1209
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 4: the curve on that. But you've been talking about the

1210
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 4: joku who's been more ahead of the curve. No for

1211
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 4: you for a long time, and I and I have

1212
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 4: like I was caught in a place where I found

1213
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 4: him to be very frustrating for a long click. You

1214
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 4: can see the potential, but it's all there. It's happening

1215
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 4: right now. He's been awesome. His story in general this

1216
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 4: season is like one of the better stories for a

1217
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 4: player around.

1218
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: So enjoy your guy.

1219
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Merry Christmas mark for this game again.

1220
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,240
Speaker 1: That was you can watch it. We'll be at our homes.

1221
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 1: You know you can. I can watch it. I can't.

1222
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: I don't want. I don't want to take this from

1223
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: you in any way.

1224
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 2: This is your world, and I'll need to do a

1225
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 2: very clean reporting job if I'm going to come in

1226
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 2: like you. Like you've said, you like to have the

1227
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 2: game on an isle where no one else is watching it.

1228
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to watch it. Take that.

1229
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 4: Don't require it. I don't require it, But I do

1230
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 4: like to have my own beat. I guess, yeah, anything else,

1231
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 4: Sorry about nothing. I've been enjoying this and I like

1232
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 4: the return of my guy. Dan's got just like he's

1233
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 4: got all these segments in his pocket. And you never

1234
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 4: know he's going to bring one out from like the

1235
00:55:58,480 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 4: four years four years ago.

1236
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: By the way, this is a rematch.

1237
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 2: It's the Long Fields four years ago, but I think

1238
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 2: it was last year. Yeah, okay, but we've been doing

1239
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:06,439
Speaker 2: this a long time.

1240
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 3: It's the longest gest stating revenge game in history. It's

1241
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 3: not even a revenge game, it's just a rematch. Joe

1242
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 3: Flacco starting for the Ravens, lost the game twenty five

1243
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 3: to thirteen to Case Keenum and the Houston Texans. That

1244
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 3: was back on December twenty first day were taping here

1245
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen, back when our friend Chris wesse.

1246
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: Line years ago was Latin is Case Keenum flag flies.

1247
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 3: And here we are, yeah, nine years later, and the

1248
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 3: two guys are starting against each other.

1249
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 2: Kum Back often utter, let your case Keenum freak flag fly.

1250
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: He was a fan. I think he loved Keenan.

1251
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 4: Came out of the gate hot like he liked to

1252
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 4: throw the ball deep down field. It wasn't always perfect,

1253
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 4: but there was something alike about him.

1254
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 3: I did not think Keenum played played great last week,

1255
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 3: and I do think the Browns defense has now separated

1256
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 3: and this is obviously a great matchup for them with

1257
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 3: anyone else as the very best defense in the league.

1258
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 3: And they've gotten a little healthier on the back end

1259
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 3: the last few weeks. And just like they're so so good,

1260
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 3: I just especially against the past, I just trust them

1261
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 3: to win any game. Is he gonna No, But I

1262
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 3: will point out their favorite here by three the money

1263
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 3: line one forty eight.

1264
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: I am picking the Browns though, okay, good, good, Mark,

1265
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: it stays with me.

1266
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take Jaguars at Bucks is my late game.

1267
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 4: The Bucks are given a point there with the money

1268
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 4: line of minus one eighteen. Jacksonville. I'm kind of like

1269
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 4: I was lost, Like do I want to watch this game?

1270
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: Like?

1271
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 4: Am I not tired and slightly fed up with the

1272
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 4: Jacksonville Jaguars at this point. But we will press on.

1273
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 4: We will press on. Trevor Lawrence like progressing well. According

1274
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 4: to Doug Peterson from the Concussion Protocol, that is good

1275
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 4: nested in at the moment.

1276
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: No, Kirshan Kirk is a Jones hurt.

1277
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 4: I think they've been really affect by the loss of

1278
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 4: Christian Kurt last week. This such a frustrating watch because

1279
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 4: first of all, don't get in your own way they

1280
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 4: had that drive against the Ravens that melted down inside

1281
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 4: the five, no points. They missed two field goals, no points,

1282
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 4: no points. It's like that's the difference in this game

1283
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 4: is just simply kind of go do what we'd be

1284
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 4: asking you to do, and we're in a different place

1285
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 4: and we're thinking about them differently. They can't rush the passer.

1286
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 4: They're going up against the Bucks team and I know that,

1287
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 4: you know, we want to talk about case Keno verus

1288
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 4: Joe Flacco, like CJ. Bethard, that's what we get versus

1289
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield is not the matchup you'd think in December

1290
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 4: would be a stirring showdown between two potential playoff teams,

1291
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 4: but Baker Mayfield has been. It isn't, but Baker Mayfields

1292
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 4: has been really, very very good. And we saw what

1293
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 4: he did against Green Bay. He had a career high

1294
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 4: nine completions of twenty plus yards last week against the Packers,

1295
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 4: a bad Packers defense.

1296
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: But no other player this year has done that. He's

1297
00:58:59,320 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: the only one that has.

1298
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 4: So it's like his highs are high, like they're own

1299
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 4: sex against winning teams the Bucks, but they are ninth

1300
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 4: in pass EPA. So if they were sitting there at

1301
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 4: twenty seventh or twenty eighth, and you have one Baker

1302
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 4: Mayfield game, kind of like last year. But they have

1303
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 4: been productive through the air, and Chris Godwin is coming

1304
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 4: off an awesome game Mike Evans as well. The Jaguars

1305
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 4: defense has been falling apart before our eyes. So if

1306
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 4: this game is in Tampa, I wonder if this is

1307
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 4: sort of a fatal blow to the Jaguars, who suddenly

1308
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 4: sit tied in the AFC South with two other teams.

1309
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 4: Why why is it only a one point? I think

1310
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 4: people don't believe favorite. Maybe they well, they want to

1311
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 4: see what's happened with trouble for Lawrence. But we're taping Thursday.

1312
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 4: Lawrence hasn't practiced yet, so that that's a bad sign.

1313
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 3: And you mentioned yet A. Jones is definitely gonna miss

1314
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 3: this game too. And yeah, defensively, like the Jaguars don't

1315
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 3: have a great pass rush, which is how you bother Baker.

1316
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 3: Some of the numbers behind Baker is really interesting. I mean,

1317
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 3: he throws the ball downfield in terms of his average

1318
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 3: depth of target deeper than anyone in the league except CJ.

1319
00:59:58,680 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: Stroud.

1320
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 3: So this is a verse artical offense. They found ways

1321
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 3: to get Godwin open. I like that Polls finally kind

1322
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,919
Speaker 3: of stood up for himself and bench Devin White last week.

1323
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 3: It sounded to me and to people there like Devin

1324
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 3: White felt a certain way about it and essentially benched

1325
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 3: himself and decided not to be a backup. I don't

1326
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 3: know what's going to happen this week, but people that

1327
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 3: I trust, John Ledyard, who covers the Bucks, was saying

1328
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 3: his replacement kJ Britt the last couple of weeks has

1329
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 3: really been out stabilizing force in terms of not making

1330
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 3: the types of mistakes that Devin White, because their defense

1331
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 3: isn't great in Tampa, but the offense has been good enough.

1332
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: To beat bad teams. And I think the Jaguars right

1333
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: now are a bad team.

1334
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 2: They're playing poorly and if they don't have Lawrence, their

1335
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 2: borderline unwatchable. I think I like the Bucks to keep

1336
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 2: rolling here that I will say the Jags fan knows

1337
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 2: Jacksonville's been much better on the road this year. They're

1338
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 2: five to one on the road this year, so they're

1339
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 2: not going to go into Tampa and blink. So I

1340
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 2: just hope Lawrence plays. Come on, let's make that a

1341
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 2: good game. Let's move on. I have the next it's

1342
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 2: getting dicey. Oh it ain't so spicy. I'll grab a

1343
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 2: late game Cardinals at Bears.

1344
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: Bears given four and a half on this one.

1345
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is gonna be I see, you like to

1346
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 2: have a nice, good focus on one of the games

1347
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 2: of the season.

1348
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: What is the game? Cowboys Dolphins?

1349
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 2: Cowboys Dolphins. So you wanna this will be just an

1350
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 2: eyeball on this game? Watch it in There's some things

1351
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 2: going on that you knew just being real one eyeball

1352
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 2: in the game the Bears and the Cardinals. So Justin

1353
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 2: Fields is to me the biggest storyline here. How he

1354
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 2: finishes this season for the Bears really matters because it's

1355
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 2: gonna affect a lot of things.

1356
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: It could have like a butterfly effect.

1357
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 2: Obviously on the draft, I think at the end of

1358
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 2: the day, when the Bears inevitably picked first, you know

1359
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 2: there's a good chance they move on from him. But

1360
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 2: Home Arizona, Home Atlanta at Green Bay. If he balls out,

1361
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 2: it gets very interesting and you can look at it

1362
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 2: the same way on the other side. And Greg, I

1363
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 2: know you've said that you've been very confident or you're

1364
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 2: more in the camp of the Cardinals are going to

1365
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 2: stay right where they are at quarterback and build around Kyler.

1366
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: I'm still not convinced.

1367
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 2: I think there's still a lot of you know, I

1368
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 2: know they've changed leadership there, but there's a lot of

1369
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 2: bad blood with Kyler and some things that have happened

1370
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 2: in the past, and I just wonder if they want

1371
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 2: a fresh start and think they could gather good resources

1372
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 2: in return. But either way, Kyler finishing strong puts them

1373
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 2: in a good spot in either situation.

1374
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 3: Right then, this affects the draft so much when you know,

1375
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 3: as a Patriots fan kind of watching their draft position,

1376
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 3: this is probably the Cardinals' best chance to get a

1377
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 3: win the rest of the way. That's true also of

1378
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 3: the commanders this week who play your Jets. Maybe the

1379
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 3: Jets could help out the Patriots because otherwise there could

1380
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 3: be ties and who knows, the Bears could have a

1381
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 3: very high second pick if they don't win out. Eberflus

1382
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 3: needs to show a proof of concept. I think we've

1383
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 3: seen it. Defensively, they couldn't finish out that game against

1384
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 3: the Browns, but the combination of their linebackers and what

1385
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 3: they've been doing upfront with Montes what you would think

1386
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 3: their defense would be enough. But I thought Kyler played

1387
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 3: pretty well well enough against the forty nine ers too,

1388
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 3: Like I've liked what I've seen out of him, and

1389
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 3: the idea of maybe adding let's say they have the

1390
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,439
Speaker 3: three pick a Marvin Harrison junior or a big time

1391
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 3: weapon to me, is more attractive considering his contract and

1392
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 3: just the uncertainty at quarterback.

1393
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought the like the interesting thing with Kyler

1394
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 4: Murray is like very few quarterbacks when they're drafted, are

1395
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 4: drafted specifically to be paired with their coach and their

1396
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 4: coach's system in Cliff Kingsbury, and so it's always like,

1397
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 4: what's he gonna look like in a in a new offense.

1398
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 4: He's been doubly accurate on deep throws this season. They're

1399
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 4: averaging five more points per game with them. They've been

1400
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 4: a great run team though, and I think that's the

1401
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 4: matchup for me. They put up two thirty four last

1402
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 4: week we mentioned against the Niners and the Bears of

1403
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 4: the number two run defense EPA wise league wide, So that's.

1404
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: Kind of like the inflection point.

1405
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 2: All right, next game, Mark, Greg, you got two in

1406
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 2: a row here. Oh you didn't want to go longer

1407
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 2: on that one.

1408
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: Pinch me.

1409
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 3: It's the like, yeah, it try to save our jobs.

1410
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 3: Bowl Cardinals, Bears for the quarterbacks, that is.

1411
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: I like the Bears. I like the Bears to play

1412
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: well enough down the stretch. There a lot of people

1413
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 1: trying to save their jobs. To maybe save some jobs.

1414
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: I am gonna take.

1415
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 3: The Indianapolis Colts at the Atlanta Falcons meaningful game here

1416
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 3: for both teams. Falcons still very much alive, only one

1417
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 3: back in the NFC South. As as much as it

1418
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 3: feels like they're dead, all they need to do is

1419
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 3: probably win this week and they could be tied for

1420
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 3: first again or or stay one back of the Bucks.

1421
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 3: They're They're not out of it. It's uh oh, just

1422
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 3: letting slip away.

1423
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: I want them to.

1424
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 3: In fact, I I noted this week.

1425
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 1: Float away fly away Falcons.

1426
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 3: There's only there's only been six teams, okay, eliminated from

1427
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 3: playoff intention so far, six teams this entire season.

1428
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: That's it. Twenty six still alive for the Super Bowl.

1429
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: It's a lot.

1430
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 3: The Falcons have lost to four of those six teams Panthers, Jets, Titans, Washington,

1431
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 3: I mean, give me a break, Falcons. That is not

1432
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 3: the Jets. Maybe it's not the Jets. I knew it

1433
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 3: was four. It's four of the six. Now I just

1434
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 3: ruined my nice lot.

1435
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: No, it was nice.

1436
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 2: Otherwise they stink you had it though you have the

1437
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 2: general vibe that they're.

1438
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 1: Not these version.

1439
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 4: It's good not to dig too deep because everyone's like,

1440
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 4: that must be true because Greg said it, so just don't.

1441
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it is true.

1442
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 3: They've lost four it, but it was to the Commanders,

1443
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 3: the Cardinals, the Panthers.

1444
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: It's pretty rough and who am I You just stop there?

1445
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: I that's Titans.

1446
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 3: That's resume right now, right, and the Titans are the

1447
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 3: fourth one there.

1448
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: I did not get it wrong.

1449
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 2: I wonder if the owner was on a PBS or

1450
01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 2: anything last night, because we got that of developing news

1451
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 2: out of DOORI to public television, public broadcasting, broadcasting.

1452
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: It's just doing the rounds. It's a Taylor off right here.

1453
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 3: I mean he's going with Taylor Heineke to save his job.

1454
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 3: Arthur Smith, we talked about it on Wednesday. Jonathan Taylor

1455
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 3: also might me back for the Colts. I think it

1456
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 3: makes sense to trust Heinikee in the biggest of spots,

1457
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 3: which is trying to save your job. But there's more

1458
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 3: to like with Indianapolis right now. They remind me of

1459
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 3: poor Man's Philly in that well, they've got stich in obviously,

1460
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 3: but that the lines are really playing well. And if

1461
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 3: your lines are playing well, your ceiling is a little

1462
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 3: higher than you realize. And their defensive line is really

1463
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 3: playing well. They protect pretty well, they run block pretty well,

1464
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 3: and that might be enough to.

1465
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: Win this division.

1466
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 4: It's getting serious, I think, like speaking of the two

1467
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 4: resumes for the coaches, like if you're Arthur Smith, you

1468
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 4: have to explain why, like John hus Smith is a

1469
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 4: bigger deal than Kyle Pitts. You have to explain why

1470
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 4: Bijon Robinson every feels like every third week like is

1471
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 4: not doing what you're asking at eleven yards rushing last week,

1472
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 4: they're twenty six on the ground in EPA, So the

1473
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 4: whole vision doesn't make sense. You're switching your quarterback while

1474
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,919
Speaker 4: you're still in a playoff race. And on the other side,

1475
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 4: like the Colts have twelve twenty plus point games, which

1476
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 4: is tied with Miami Baltimore in Detroit, they've been really

1477
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 4: consistent and productive with a backup quarterback and Gardner minshewhere

1478
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 4: even in some games where he's you know, been a

1479
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 4: turnover robot, they're still finding a way to produce. And

1480
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 4: I think if you get Jonathan Taylor back, the vision

1481
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 4: becomes more into focus. I would rather see this Colts

1482
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 4: team in the playoffs. I know they don't do something

1483
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 4: for you, Dan necessarily, but like they're gonna give, They're

1484
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 4: gonna be the same team in the playoffs.

1485
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: I think too. I just trust them to go out

1486
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: at that last week they like dropped an a bomb.

1487
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they're they're the they're kind of the ultimate.

1488
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 3: We know they're just there for it.

1489
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 1: That's half team, but that's half the playoff field right now.

1490
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 3: That's probably any team in the AFC South. But there

1491
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 3: is a world where Lawrence gets healthy and they just fine.

1492
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 2: I don't agree with your playoff take, Mark about what

1493
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 2: would be less playoff teams. Well, but I can't really

1494
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 2: go deep on that take and then be like, oh

1495
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 2: the Colts, we need the Colts.

1496
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: I think the Colts offer hope for the future. I

1497
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: really do. I think I didn't say that that's not

1498
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 1: the game.

1499
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 4: But I also think they I don't know, I feel

1500
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 4: like I've picked them a number of these weeks and

1501
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 4: they're watchable and like I I don't. I think kind

1502
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 4: of think Gardner Minshew when he's on and it's their

1503
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 4: defense too.

1504
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 1: I kind of just think they're a balanced, interesting roster.

1505
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 3: I would take the Colts in this game, but the

1506
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 3: way the NFL works and the money line is actually

1507
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 3: minus one or two for the Falcons, so the Cults

1508
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 3: are slight underdogs. Like the way the NFL goes this year,

1509
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 3: the Falcons will actually win them just to like muck

1510
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 3: it up and keep it all mucky, super.

1511
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 1: Super and mucky. And I think you had it right, Greg.

1512
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 2: With Arthur Smith, he kind of showed his hand by

1513
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 2: going back again to Heineke. He's basically thrown up his

1514
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 2: hands and like, I got it wrong, yep, And now

1515
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to save my job. Like I put

1516
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 2: my entire head coaching career potentially on this Ridder kid,

1517
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 2: and I bet big and lost, and now I need

1518
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,719
Speaker 2: a hail Mary from a career backup in Heineke.

1519
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: Yep.

1520
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 2: Could have sign Lamar to that offer sheet least, but no,

1521
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:09,719
Speaker 2: Desnen Ridder was really good those last three weeks.

1522
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: He threw for two.

1523
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 4: Yards, so insistent on not doing that an excellent run.

1524
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 1: We're good.

1525
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 2: I'll have desmon ridder. All right, let's take a break

1526
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 2: and finish this out. All right, welcome back, Thanks.

1527
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 1: Back to you. Greg.

1528
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 3: Well, there's only two games unless I'm mistaken, and one

1529
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 3: of them involves the Jets, which means I'm taking the Packers,

1530
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 3: and I don't want to watch the Jets anyways. I'd

1531
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 3: rather watch this game, Packers minus giving out Christmas.

1532
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: Gifts all over the games.

1533
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 4: By the way, I'm surprised to see you're skipping over

1534
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:43,640
Speaker 4: your precious little Seahawks.

1535
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: I missed that. My bad. You turned into your car

1536
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: to right. I'm sorry.

1537
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll just stick with Packers minus five at Panthers

1538
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 3: money lines minus two thirty.

1539
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1540
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 3: I'm at the point with this Packers defense where I

1541
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 3: feel like anything is possible in a bad way like that,

1542
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 3: even this game, which where i'll, you know, definitely pick

1543
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 3: the Packers.

1544
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 1: To win, but I don't even know anymore.

1545
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 3: They're twenty ninth in defensive DVOA just feels like they

1546
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:14,799
Speaker 3: they know they don't have answers and they're not able

1547
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 3: to adjust. Now you know, you shouldn't need to adjust

1548
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 3: much when you're playing the Carolina Panthers. But the Packers

1549
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 3: also now have no margin for error. They're really not

1550
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 3: dead here at six and eight. They have to win

1551
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 3: Wounded Animal. They almost have to, you know, go, you know,

1552
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 3: going through the systems, it's they're twenty percent to make

1553
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 3: the playoffs, but if they one out, they're more likely

1554
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 3: than not to make the playoffs. They're at Carolina, at

1555
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,839
Speaker 3: Minnesota that's a big one, and then home for Bears.

1556
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 3: I think it'd be tough for this team to win

1557
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 3: three straight right now, but they're capable enough.

1558
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 1: To me.

1559
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,639
Speaker 3: Jordan Love is symbolic of the team in general, which

1560
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 3: is man, there's a lot of good stuff to like,

1561
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 3: you saw that last week, a lot of really special throws,

1562
01:10:59,240 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 3: but he.

1563
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: Also was a little erratic last week.

1564
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 3: A lot of miss throws too, were just five or

1565
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 3: six where you're just like wow that, you know, I

1566
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 3: don't know if he's ever going to be mister accurate,

1567
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 3: and with a defense this bad, you kind of need

1568
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 3: him to just be next level.

1569
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:13,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I said, that was one of the worst

1570
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 2: defensive efforts you'll a team all year last week in

1571
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:19,600
Speaker 2: that loss for Green Bay. And you know, this is

1572
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 2: the other game I was looking at as a lock,

1573
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 2: when you could lock against the Panthers, who already got

1574
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 2: now that little you know, gift of a second win

1575
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 2: last week, win last week against Atlanta. They're probably ready

1576
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 2: to pack things up at this point. But they're also

1577
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 2: not playing for a draft picks, so there's nothing there's

1578
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:38,719
Speaker 2: no tanking going on here. They're trying to win this game. Yeah,

1579
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 2: this is I think the Packers are the more than

1580
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 2: any other team. Are are the epitome of why this

1581
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 2: season has been very difficult to figure out in a

1582
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 2: lot of ways. A young team right that struggles early on,

1583
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 2: figures it out and they're playing inspired, confident football and

1584
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 2: then that just dissolves.

1585
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 1: And now with two eggs in a row in a

1586
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 1: row at.

1587
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 2: The most critical juncture of the season here in December,

1588
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 2: and now you just don't know what to make of him.

1589
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 2: So while I wanted Mark to lock up the pack here,

1590
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 2: it's like, how can I trust anything about them after

1591
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 2: their last two weeks?

1592
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's it.

1593
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 4: Like if you're gonna if you if you want to

1594
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 4: win a lock, like don't take a team where like

1595
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of a lot to like

1596
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 4: on offense, but they've been one of the worst defenses

1597
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,799
Speaker 4: around over the last five games, giving up four hundred

1598
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 4: yards per contest, that's the most in the NFL. They've

1599
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 4: been beaten up on the ground, and I kind of

1600
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 4: like have a request for the Panthers because it's like,

1601
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 4: we're not going to learn a whole lot more about

1602
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 4: Bryce Young between now and the end of the season.

1603
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 1: He is who he is.

1604
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:42,719
Speaker 4: Maybe next year will be better, that's what you hope.

1605
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 4: But why not like run the ball like forty four

1606
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,679
Speaker 4: times and just keep Green Bay off the field?

1607
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 1: Like can they have?

1608
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 4: Tubebber's been pretty good on the ground, and they've had

1609
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 4: a couple moments where it was like even back when

1610
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,680
Speaker 4: Frank Raik was there was like, there's these drives where

1611
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 4: they did they look like last year's Panthers on the ground, Like,

1612
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 4: just as an experiment, just go run the ball forty

1613
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 4: four times and see what happens.

1614
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 1: It can't be any worse.

1615
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, go get a win Carolina and put

1616
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 3: the Patriots in the mix for number one. Right now,

1617
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 3: their strength of schedule, which is the tiebreaker, is exactly

1618
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 3: tied which means it's gonna change. But if for some

1619
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 3: way reason that happened by the end of the season,

1620
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 3: they would actually flip a coin to decide who gets

1621
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 3: the number one picked.

1622
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 1: That would be an exciting coin flip. I mean the

1623
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: Packers still want to help the Bears, though.

1624
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 3: It won't happen. That's that's true. That's interesting.

1625
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 4: Packers could be setting the Bears up with the number

1626
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 4: one draft pick.

1627
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 3: We're helping by way, this is and hey, Bryce Young

1628
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 3: had his highest PFF grade of the season last week.

1629
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 1: Was only seventy seven. It was pretty crazy, which is

1630
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: a good game.

1631
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 3: A nice seventy seven grade from them is actually quite good.

1632
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 1: Who knows, maybe he'll play his best down the stretch.

1633
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 2: I think you're referring to the and you gotta be

1634
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 2: careful about following this person's offensive game planning. But there

1635
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 2: was a a Gino Smith Rex Ryan era Monday night

1636
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 2: football game against the I want to say about eight

1637
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 2: or nine years ago, where the Jets ran the ball

1638
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 2: fifty times in the game, you know, had eight pass attempts.

1639
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, like two minutes to play.

1640
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 2: They lost that game, by the way, But I would

1641
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 2: think you don't want to if you're taking the ball

1642
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 2: out of the hands of the number one overall pick

1643
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:16,640
Speaker 2: that often, that is quite an indictment. I say, let

1644
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 2: the kid throw it against the Green Bay defense. Let's

1645
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:22,480
Speaker 2: go give him another He needs something going into this offseason.

1646
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 4: But see, that's what they do, That's what they'd probably

1647
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 4: be thinking. Of course, the Panthers want to showcase their

1648
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 4: quarterback who will look good and make them look good

1649
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 4: going to the off seas. But it's like, we want

1650
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 4: to win the game, flip it around and run it

1651
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 4: forty four times and to use a bunch of wildcat

1652
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 4: and like you know, old school nineteen twenties.

1653
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 1: Then at coach. So maybe he's yeah, he's a special

1654
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 1: teams guy. Chris Tables, all right, have a dog in

1655
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:44,919
Speaker 1: the race here, I am.

1656
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,679
Speaker 3: Packers would hurt the Bears, so I guess the loss,

1657
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 3: you know, wouldn't be the worst thing.

1658
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 1: I mean, he has a dog in the race. It's

1659
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: the Panthers, right, he's not going to be named head coach.

1660
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 4: I can I will ever know, but I wager my

1661
01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 4: entire physical body on that.

1662
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,639
Speaker 1: Life is sure he he might only have this one chance.

1663
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 1: Let's have some fun.

1664
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 2: We would take your body by the way if you

1665
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 2: were to lose this, Taber got the interim ripped up

1666
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 2: like the NFL, where would we send it?

1667
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 4: The NFL would just take it secreted away. Right, they

1668
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 4: already basically own it.

1669
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 2: They got you, bro, You're in the machine, bro, all right,

1670
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 2: I will grab Washington at New York Jets. This is

1671
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 2: a dead butt game. Nothing really on either side. I

1672
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 2: will point out that some of the rhetoric around Rogers

1673
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 2: this week has gotten on my nerves because it's already

1674
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 2: been such a lost, frustrating year. He's catching a lot

1675
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 2: of strays, and there's he's like kind of and I'm

1676
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 2: not defending Rogers because he is annoying and how he

1677
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 2: keeps going on McAfee, which is a paid engagement, and

1678
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 2: just talking all the time, and then that gets aggregated

1679
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 2: and he becomes a story even when he should be

1680
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 2: so far out the rear view mirror. And of course

1681
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 2: he's not going to play and he's not cleared, so

1682
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 2: we're not seeing that. I saw some kind of pieces

1683
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 2: out there that this is one of the most selfish

1684
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 2: things I've ever seen, that Aaron Rodgers gave hope and

1685
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 2: led to the Jets on some level, failing to get

1686
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 2: a backup quarterback because he promised he would be back.

1687
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something that Aaron Rodgers or about

1688
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 2: the Jets. Really, if you think the Jets messed up

1689
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 2: because of Aaron Rodgers saying he thought he would be back, no,

1690
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 2: you're giving the Jets too much credit. The Jets messed

1691
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 2: up because the Jets have no idea how to evaluate

1692
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 2: the quarterback was a position or their roster. And they

1693
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 2: thought Zach Wilson was gonna be okay. That's why that happened.

1694
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 2: It's not because they thought, oh, Aaron will be back.

1695
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 2: That's why we're not gonna go get I don't know

1696
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 2: insert QB.

1697
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 1: Joshua Dobbs here had nothing to do with that.

1698
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 2: And the other thing is he was getting killed for

1699
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 2: because they moved him to the act of or they

1700
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 2: moved him off IR and it led to a full

1701
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 2: back getting taken off the roster and like, how selfish

1702
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 2: someone who called him a pig for that. It's like, no,

1703
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 2: everybody relaxed. I get it that full back was moved

1704
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 2: to the practice squad. He's fully, he gets vested, he

1705
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 2: gets his salary, and nothing changed for him.

1706
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 1: He wasn't gonna play anyway. I just doesn't get the

1707
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 1: game checks.

1708
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 2: Though he is there is it doesn't change how much

1709
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 2: money he makes. I saw that reported this morning. Okay,

1710
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 2: I just think it's been a rough season and he's

1711
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 2: a big target and I've gotten on Rogers a ton,

1712
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 2: But to paint these two things as signs of him

1713
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 2: being a bad dude, I'm not really about it.

1714
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 6: Whatever they said about A and Rogers on TV is

1715
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 6: a lie.

1716
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 1: You know, like with that would have got that far.

1717
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,759
Speaker 4: But the Hard Knocks experiment, like experience kind of changed

1718
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 4: how I felt about Rogers. And I think you're stuck

1719
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 4: in a situation where you're you're in a very frustrating campaign,

1720
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,759
Speaker 4: Like there's a lot being said about you. Other players

1721
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 4: would just kind of go away, but when you're doing

1722
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 4: these paid media things week after week, it's like it's

1723
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 4: inevitable that you're gonna get caught in the crosshairs of

1724
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 4: some of this, and like, I don't know that. I

1725
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:51,760
Speaker 4: think the biggest thing is he's sort of saying next

1726
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 4: year won't be my last year, Yes, that I'm gonna

1727
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 4: come back and play, and I want to give the

1728
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 4: at least the Jets the two years I told him,

1729
01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 4: I give him. That was the news for me.

1730
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think they're just in terms of reporting throughout,

1731
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 3: we didn't. The media also didn't need to make it

1732
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:14,639
Speaker 3: out to be as probable as they made it seem

1733
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 3: and as like heroic, like I can't believe he's doing this, Like,

1734
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 3: whereas I've been saying on the show all all along,

1735
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 3: I never believed that it would happen, because it just

1736
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 3: why would you never happened? Right, It's never happened that

1737
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 3: it's about. And Rogers said as much this week. He said, like,

1738
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna like gonna happen, and he tried like

1739
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 3: he tried great.

1740
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 1: I don't think that was untrue. I think he wanted

1741
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 1: to do it.

1742
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he's a man who thinks very highly of

1743
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 2: himself and sees himself as different than others.

1744
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 1: And he couldn't because people are just like, this is

1745
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 1: so amazing that even got that close. Why do you

1746
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 1: know how close it got?

1747
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 3: Maybe I got exactly the same amount of close as

1748
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 3: like it always gets.

1749
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:53,640
Speaker 2: And that my point is, I don't think that affected

1750
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 2: Jets strategy at the quarterback position.

1751
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 1: I just don't. I think they just were lost in

1752
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 1: the Woods in general. Quickly. The Jets are favored in

1753
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 1: this game.

1754
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 4: What I mean, how that's how bad Washington Trevor sibby

1755
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 4: Washington has been terrible.

1756
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 1: I get it. They are below them in DVA two.

1757
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 2: Simeon is the two worst quarterbacks that we've seen in

1758
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 2: the league this year. Tell me I'm wrong, Tim Boyle

1759
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 2: and Trevor Simeon. Simeon has been absolutely lost. I know

1760
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 2: that Washington Commanders have a horrific defense. The Jets will

1761
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 2: not score more than ten points this week, just won't.

1762
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 3: They are minus one sixty two. I think I would

1763
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 3: have to take the Commanders in an upset.

1764
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:33,639
Speaker 1: There seasons that need to end. Yes, all right, last

1765
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 1: pick mark, all right?

1766
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 4: By default, I will take the Seahawks to Titans. Seahawks

1767
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 4: giving up two and a half points minus won thirty

1768
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 4: five money line for Seattle. Gino Smith just about an

1769
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 4: hour ago, announced that he could have actually played Monday night.

1770
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 4: He believes he could have, and it was it was

1771
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:55,639
Speaker 4: rather nonplused when Pete Carroll let him know that wasn't

1772
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 4: gonna happen. So he's practicing. He's full going practice. So

1773
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 4: I think like no controversy. See there Drew Locke one

1774
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 4: of the better in game stories we've seen all year.

1775
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:05,879
Speaker 4: I think that was a pretty great victory for Seattle

1776
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 4: to go do what they did. But no question Geno

1777
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 4: comes back. We don't know about right now, Like as

1778
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 4: of today, Ryan Tannehill took first team rep practices. That

1779
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 4: also was just a couple hours ago for Tennessee, So

1780
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 4: I I kind of think that's trending towards a Geno

1781
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:22,879
Speaker 4: Tannehill matchup.

1782
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 1: We'll see. There's a lot of injuries in this for

1783
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 1: both of these teams. Here. I think I find all

1784
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 1: the AFC East class back in the Oh you're right, well,

1785
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: wait also.

1786
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 3: Eight or nine years later, little Tannehill Gina, Sure, maybe.

1787
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, no way, the classic days of football,

1788
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 4: I think is what you'd want to call that you

1789
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 4: can run on Seattle.

1790
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: That's the one thing I'd say, Tennessee.

1791
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 4: You know, it's not been the greatest Derrek Henry season

1792
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 4: of all times, but that's your opportunity in this game.

1793
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 4: Titans have been a much different team at home. There's

1794
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 4: a chance here. But the one thing that I find

1795
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 4: with Seattle that's been that's been like hopeful, is that

1796
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:00,639
Speaker 4: a couple months ago. I was wondering what was happening

1797
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 4: with Jackson Smith and Jiggbo, who I thought kind of

1798
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 4: was like the most short fire guy to come in

1799
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 4: and produce, and he was having an up and down

1800
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 4: years now only three catches less than DK Metcalf, which

1801
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 4: says something about the DK Metcalf experience as well, but

1802
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 4: to the only team in the league with three guys

1803
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:15,799
Speaker 4: with fifty plus catches.

1804
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 1: So I liked that for them.

1805
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 3: You know, the first time these two teams, these two

1806
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 3: quarterbacks faced each other was in a game that Gino

1807
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 3: Sims split reps with Matt Simms. Someone I forgot ever

1808
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 3: took snaps at quarterback Matt in the NFL.

1809
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, another of the uh.

1810
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 3: Oh it's ut guy, right, Sims dynasty. That was Chris Simms. Oh,

1811
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 3: I don't know where Matt came from. I assume he's related.

1812
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 3: Who knows.

1813
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 1: Uh, Pete Carroll didn't make it clear.

1814
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 3: You know, Geno is the starter if healthy, and I

1815
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 3: think it was one of those where it was like

1816
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 3: Gino would have been playing through an injury.

1817
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 2: It was like the Azzie Canseco of the Simms family.

1818
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:54,640
Speaker 1: I think, so I kind of forgot it is a

1819
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:55,879
Speaker 1: lot like Chris.

1820
01:21:56,040 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, yeah, they're related quarterback for a number

1821
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 4: of years.

1822
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 3: They I believe Gino was benched in that game for

1823
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 3: format seems tough ten years ago. Now he's back, he

1824
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:12,759
Speaker 3: is going to be the starter. I like Pete Carroll

1825
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 3: making some bold decisions. I think he basically benched Jamal Adams.

1826
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,640
Speaker 3: Jamal Adams wasn't even there at the game. It's we

1827
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 3: found out, I think because even though Adams was on

1828
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 3: the injury report, I think they were doing that to

1829
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 3: like spare his feelings a little bit.

1830
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 1: A little bit.

1831
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 3: They also benched Reek Wooland, which was interesting, and I

1832
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 3: thought the Geno lock thing, how the two of them

1833
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 3: have handled it together is enviable.

1834
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 1: That's what you want, yes, out of your quarterbacks. We

1835
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 1: have Drew Locke actually after the game given Gino some love.

1836
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 8: I appreciate him more than words can describe. Talking to

1837
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 8: me before that two minute. You know, you're the best

1838
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:53,680
Speaker 8: player on this field. You're gonna lead us down this

1839
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 8: field right now, go get it done. You know, just

1840
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 8: things like that. Man, It's just it's really cool.

1841
01:22:59,120 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 1: Definitely cool.

1842
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 3: This is like a minute and forty second clip there,

1843
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 3: but it is funny more than.

1844
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 1: Words than can describe. Then I will go to use

1845
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:08,680
Speaker 1: words to describe it, and Drew have said it all.

1846
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 1: I can't.

1847
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 4: So a little simple, a little you know, back and forth,

1848
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 4: you know What's like, I thought the one thing about

1849
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 4: Geno in that game was like absolutely on fire, pumping

1850
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 4: them up so.

1851
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 1: That the way they talk about each other, it's it's

1852
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 1: not I saw him. I saw him looking for the

1853
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 1: camera and then when he saw the cameras, Oh, you

1854
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 1: could do it, man, you got this right here. I

1855
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I see what happens. Like that's actually

1856
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 1: not true.

1857
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 4: What people are killing like this is a great situation

1858
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:31,599
Speaker 4: for Greg, like especially that that Island game.

1859
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 1: I don't I don't even check the stuff anymore.

1860
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 4: For the most popular people are killing Dan and I

1861
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 4: for not being like sunshiny enough about the Seahawks. When

1862
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:42,679
Speaker 4: that it's like, all I remember, you want to stop

1863
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 4: worrying about these people. Incredible, Like we couldn't have been

1864
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 4: wor talking.

1865
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 1: About the subreddit again.

1866
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, don't attribute to that specifically Twitter, that place,

1867
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 4: specifically Twitter specifically.

1868
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 1: I didn't get anything on Twitter.

1869
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 4: I did, and I was like, I think it's because

1870
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 4: I said, I don't like this. It went on that

1871
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 4: seventh playoff thing where it's like, I don't stop trying

1872
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 4: to tell me that you know this. So that's like

1873
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 4: if they make the playoffs, over them, who cares on offense?

1874
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 3: And this is a good matchup for it and I

1875
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 3: know we can get out of here. I do like

1876
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 3: them to win this game, of though it's a little

1877
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 3: Tannehill worries me that like he might be an upgrade

1878
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 3: there from will Lewis. The Sex are favored by two

1879
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 3: and a half money lines minus one.

1880
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 1: Mentioned that, oh my bad. The you can hammered home

1881
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 1: if you want.

1882
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 3: The offensive pieces are pretty exciting for whoever is playing

1883
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 3: quarterback at Seattle because ken Walker, I feel like, is

1884
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 3: going to another level when and he is really like

1885
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 3: if you need a running back to just make something

1886
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 3: out of nothing, which is often the case, he can

1887
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 3: do it. And this is a tough defense to run against.

1888
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 3: But he was special on Monday night and really, to

1889
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 3: me was the number one reason they won that. I think, yeah,

1890
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 3: he's a great backup. It's a great tandem.

1891
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 1: All right.

1892
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:55,639
Speaker 2: That is Week sixteen, Like we said, this is the

1893
01:24:56,479 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 2: it's Thursday. It's thee around the NFL triple header. So

1894
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:03,479
Speaker 2: you got this episode, you got an NFL plus, The

1895
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 2: Dreamatorium is open for business. Mark and I this week

1896
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:10,640
Speaker 2: a two hander. Yeah what you got in store on

1897
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 2: the old Dreamatorium? Am I supposed to say? Or to

1898
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 2: be a surprise?

1899
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:15,680
Speaker 1: Actually tease it out.

1900
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:19,559
Speaker 4: We've got a little bit of Detroit Lions storytelling and

1901
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 4: something on Baker Mayfield.

1902
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 1: I like it, what about you and.

1903
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:26,600
Speaker 2: Talk a little Drew Locke and we're gonna talk a

1904
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:28,759
Speaker 2: little Romaissance.

1905
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 1: In the booth. I like this teeth.

1906
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 2: Also, yeah, hip hop Santa and also we will have

1907
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 2: the Thursday night football recap, so.

1908
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:43,600
Speaker 1: Check that out. All right till then, uh, you know

1909
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 1: what you gotta do. Heat the call.