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Speaker 1: set for the Minnesota Vikings New York Giants game. As

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Speaker 1: we make our way through the program and set, Kwon

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Speaker 1: Barkley is talking to the media as we speak, and

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Speaker 1: he just said, through our very own damn celomone, sa

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Speaker 1: Kwan says he is attacking rehab the same way he

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Speaker 1: attacks the weight room. So that's the big news that

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Speaker 1: you were dying to tell me, Paul. Well, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to make sure these people got this because, after all,

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Speaker 1: this is the second straight day now that we have

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Speaker 1: seen se Kwan Barkley practice, going through warmups, going through

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Speaker 1: a bunch of running and jogging, droom holes, with the

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Speaker 1: trainers on the side, and coach Pat Scharmer continues to

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Speaker 1: say that they will not rule him out. On Friday

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Speaker 1: is when you have to give an official injury report

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Speaker 1: and status report for the game, and until that time,

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Speaker 1: coach Schremmer is not going to commit. I highly think

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Speaker 1: the cat he'll play against the Vikings. But to see

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Speaker 1: the key as Paul, he went down as a d

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Speaker 1: So the point is to keep Minnesota thinking that maybe

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Speaker 1: into the challenge Paul that the Vikings pose as the

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Speaker 1: in Bruno? Not much, Fellers. What originally for Woodside? Queens

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Speaker 1: he looks like he could be something much more similar

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Speaker 1: to that than maybe we thought. He's been very active

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Speaker 1: the last few games, so that I think after it

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Speaker 1: an encouraging sign. Yeah, thank you for the call there.

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Speaker 1: You choose one five, one three. Scott is in New Mexico. Scott,

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Speaker 1: Welcome the Big Blue Kickoff Live. What do you have

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Speaker 1: for us? Hi, guys. I think both of you are

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Speaker 1: actually right. I think Lance they will open it up

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Speaker 1: a little bit more passing, and I think Paul, you're

437
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Speaker 1: right they need to concentrate on the run. But one

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Speaker 1: thing that struck me that was kind of unusual when

439
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Speaker 1: I sort of statistics. Pro Football Focus has them ranked

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Speaker 1: the third worst offense. I'm talking about Minnesota, the third

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Speaker 1: worst offensive line in the NFL against the past and

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Speaker 1: that's kind of an unusual Statistically assuments because Kirk Cousins

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Speaker 1: holds onto the ball for a very long time. He

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Speaker 1: does tend to he does tend to do that. That

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Speaker 1: is that is correct. I would not deny that. But

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Speaker 1: aside aside from some numbers that have been cooked up

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Speaker 1: out of somebody's laboratory, they do not have a very

448
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Speaker 1: good past protecting offensive line. And you can see that

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Speaker 1: by looking on tape. You don't need to come up

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Speaker 1: with somebody's computerized numbers. Yeah. In fact, there's a rumor

451
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Speaker 1: looking at some of the Minnesota broadcasts and actually they're

452
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Speaker 1: thinking of maybe Substraeten the center Bradbury for Bett Jones.

453
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Speaker 1: He used to play for the Giants. And but my

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Speaker 1: real question is with the lack of linebackers now available

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Speaker 1: to the Giants and now you have, as I said,

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Speaker 1: the third worst offensive line against the past, what do

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Speaker 1: the Giants do? Are they going to blitz more? Because

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Speaker 1: they don't they're limited in personnel, And I was just

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Speaker 1: wondering how you think they might attack that up ensive

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Speaker 1: line against the past, because I think the answer your point,

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Speaker 1: they will open it up a little bit more best

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Speaker 1: based on the criticism alone. And I was just curious

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Speaker 1: what you think the Giants can do with the lack

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Speaker 1: of linebacker play the bits Moore or what what transforms

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Speaker 1: I got a couple of thoughts on this, and it's

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Speaker 1: interesting you mentioned that. Now, First up, you're absolutely right

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Speaker 1: about their past protection. Now, last week against the Bears,

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Speaker 1: who other way have a terrific defense, okay, and have

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Speaker 1: a very nice pass rusher in Mac. Last week the

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Speaker 1: Bears got to to Kirk Cousins six times. Did you

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Speaker 1: know that five of those sacks came between the tackles

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Speaker 1: from the inside. Okay, on those five of those six sacks,

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Speaker 1: only four rush to quarterback. Correct well, because they also

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Speaker 1: have really good individual pass rushers. They'll keep that in mind,

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Speaker 1: guys who win their battles. But but the point being

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Speaker 1: that the Vikings offensive line does have soft areas within

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Speaker 1: the tackles, so you don't necessarily have to come at

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Speaker 1: them hard with an outside edge rush to get the Cousins.

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Speaker 1: You're probably better off trying to go through the A

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Speaker 1: gap of the B gap. Now to do that, the Giants,

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Speaker 1: in my mind, don't have the type of inside linebackers

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Speaker 1: who can come on that blitz and and get home

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Speaker 1: in time. So if you're gonna do that, I would

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Speaker 1: say it's going to have to be a safety blitz. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: here's another if you're gonna do that. One of the

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Speaker 1: thing that I wanted to add before you continue, Scott,

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Speaker 1: is the Vikings are also missing their starting right guard

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Speaker 1: in the last game. Now, I'm not saying Josh Klein

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Speaker 1: is a pro bowler, okaynus I don't see him. Well,

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Speaker 1: they had him limited in practice, so I think there's

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Speaker 1: a chance he does return this weekend because he did

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Speaker 1: miss the game and he had suffered the concussion the

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Speaker 1: previous week, so this would be coming on about a

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Speaker 1: two week window. But the point is they were playing

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Speaker 1: a backup at right guard. That stick is a big

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Speaker 1: reason why Chicago capitalized on the interior to your point

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Speaker 1: with some of its Now here's what I would do, Scott.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back into the history books, as I

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Speaker 1: often do because I'm an old school guy. I would

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Speaker 1: pull out the Bill Belichick playbook from the playoff game

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Speaker 1: against the Chicago Bears. Are you familiar with what Belichick

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Speaker 1: did that day? Okay? For those people who do not know,

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Speaker 1: Neil Anderson was the Bears running back. Okay, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna help Plants out here. Since he's a young

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Speaker 1: help me out please, because and I don't know much

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Speaker 1: about the archives that the Bears. The Bears were a

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Speaker 1: very strong running team, but the not have a tremendous

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Speaker 1: amount to offer. In the past, they were a heavy

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Speaker 1: duty run team. Now the Vikings again are a heavy

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Speaker 1: duty wrung team. Although they've got some some weapons on

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Speaker 1: the outside, they are primarily a run based team right now.

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Speaker 1: So what Belichick did was to your point, Uh, they

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Speaker 1: haven't been consistent in the run and they've had these

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Speaker 1: long runs, like Dalvin Cook had a run of seventy

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Speaker 1: five yards against Green Bay and that was really the

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Speaker 1: bulk of their running attack against green But that's what

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Speaker 1: happens with great backs. They pound, pound pound until they

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Speaker 1: break one. That's that's not unusual. You know. In the meantime,

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Speaker 1: while they're doing it, they're controlling the tempo and the

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Speaker 1: climbing of the game and the clock, which the Giants

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Speaker 1: cannot afford to let happen or they'll lose. Well, and

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Speaker 1: Alexander Madison is also another guy who's been getting a

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Speaker 1: fair share of the reps too. Don't overlook him to Anyways,

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Speaker 1: back to the history left, So what happened. So the

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Speaker 1: Giants get into this playoff again against the Bears and

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Speaker 1: Parcels and Belichick. At the time, the Giants were three four. Remember,

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Speaker 1: because they had Lawrence Taylor. They converted to Lawrence Taylor

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Speaker 1: played for the Giant Yeah, okay, just make sure than

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Speaker 1: yeah okay, they used the guy with the sky that

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Speaker 1: cap s on his chest. So so they were three four.

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Speaker 1: So Bell and Chicken Parcels that week decided we're gonna

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Speaker 1: go to a heavy duty for three line and they

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Speaker 1: went with four down linemen for the entire game and

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Speaker 1: a stand up linebacker and Lawrence Taylor playing up on

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Speaker 1: the line. So in effect, they had a five man front,

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Speaker 1: four defensive lineman down and one stand up linebacker and

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Speaker 1: that was their five man it was. It was called

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Speaker 1: a heavy front. So so by doing that, they basically

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Speaker 1: said to the Bears, go ahead, try to run and

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Speaker 1: see what you can do. We're gonna stuff the crap

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Speaker 1: out of your run and we're gonna force you to

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Speaker 1: throw the ball. And I'll be honest with you, Scott,

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Speaker 1: I would actually give that a shot. If it were me,

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Speaker 1: I would. I'm a I'm a creative guy. I'm a pison,

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Speaker 1: you know, I like I like to make things happen.

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Speaker 1: And and if we're me. If it were me, I

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Speaker 1: would actually give that front a chance to see if

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Speaker 1: they could slow cook down early in the game and

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Speaker 1: prompt the Vikings to then become one dimensional, because I

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Speaker 1: think that's when Cousins gets in trouble. Okay, well, my

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Speaker 1: last point, I'll take it off the year. If the

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Speaker 1: Giants again are weak in the linebacking corps, will they

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Speaker 1: employ more UH safeties or whatever, or try to bring

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Speaker 1: more people up front or do you think based on

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Speaker 1: your scenario, they'll just have more guys wind up? You know,

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Speaker 1: on on the defensive line. They appreciate the phone call.

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Speaker 1: They went with a number of three safety looks in

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Speaker 1: the last game, so I don't think that's crazy to

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Speaker 1: think that they could adopt that. Again, remember a lot

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Speaker 1: of it is going to be dictated based on the

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Speaker 1: Vikings personnel and who the Vikings throw out there. Remember

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Speaker 1: Minnesota has Kyle Rudolph and IRV Smith. They've got two

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Speaker 1: tight ends, So that I think is going to dictate

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Speaker 1: what combinations James at Your utilizes. Then of course you

565
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Speaker 1: have Adam Feeling and Stefon Diggs that you need to

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Speaker 1: account for. So if James Betcher feels he's better off

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Speaker 1: with an additional secondary guy, then maybe you see more

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Speaker 1: of the three safety looks. Actually, Jabrill Peppers was asked

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Speaker 1: about the three safety look a few minutes ago in

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Speaker 1: the locker room when we were there, and one of

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Speaker 1: the things he said is he likes the three safety

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Speaker 1: look at his personal opinion, because he feels it keeps

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Speaker 1: the defense guessing because they don't know is somebody going

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Speaker 1: to charge towards the boxes, somebody gonna stay back. It

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Speaker 1: keeps the offense on their toes. So I wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: surprised Paul if we see maybe a little bit more

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Speaker 1: of that. Of course, depending on the Vikings personnel, the

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Speaker 1: danger to that, and it's certainly something worth exploring. It's

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Speaker 1: an option, Like I said, there was, there were a

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Speaker 1: few options here where you could go philosophically with the

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Speaker 1: game plan. The three three safety look does give you

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Speaker 1: the element of surprise. It does allow you to force

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Speaker 1: the Vikings to keep guessing. I get that. At the

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Speaker 1: same time, the three safety look is also susceptible to

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Speaker 1: the power run game. And if the Vikings are smart

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Speaker 1: and they see that, they should go with a heavy

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Speaker 1: dose of the power Running game. See to me and

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Speaker 1: and how many times have we heard this over the years.

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Speaker 1: You know, you've got to stop the run first as

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Speaker 1: a defense. But you know what, in this particular matchup,

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Speaker 1: that statement was never more true Lance And I mean

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Speaker 1: that the Giants must They must contain Dalvin Cook in

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Speaker 1: the first half of this game if they're going to

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Speaker 1: have a reasonable chance to win. I really believe that.

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Speaker 1: I think that is the one, two and three priorities

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Speaker 1: on the Giants list, aside from anything else they do

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Speaker 1: on offense or special teams. They must contain Dalvin Cook. Period.

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Speaker 1: Gotta be done. However you want to do it, fine,

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Speaker 1: come up with a scheme to do it. But to me,

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Speaker 1: I don't see the Giants when you know Parcels used

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Speaker 1: to tell us all the time. You know, not only

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Speaker 1: do you line up your twenty two against their twenty

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Speaker 1: two and check off each matchup and see who's got

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Speaker 1: more checks. The other thing you do is you say, okay, reasonably,

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Speaker 1: how many ways can we win this game reasonably? And

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Speaker 1: you write them on a list. Then on the other

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Speaker 1: side of the pad, how many ways reasonably can the

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Speaker 1: other team win the game? What's the path to victory?

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Speaker 1: I don't know that the Giants have much more than

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Speaker 1: a crumbs percentage chance of winning the game. If Dalvin

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Speaker 1: Cook gets off on one of these hundred and thirty

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Speaker 1: yard Russia, well, I mean that's been the recipe for

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Speaker 1: their two victories this season. He's gone off. I just

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Speaker 1: don't see games. I mean, you tell me no, I

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Speaker 1: don't sit here. Daln Cook gets off, can the Giants

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Speaker 1: win the game? I think it's gonna be very difficult

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Speaker 1: for them to do that because I'm also looking at

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Speaker 1: it from the defensive side, and we haven't really talked

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Speaker 1: much about the Vikings defense other than I ran through

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Speaker 1: the personnel. Because if you look at the Vikings defense

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Speaker 1: thus far this season, Minnesota had one game that they

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Speaker 1: gave up more than one points, and it was only

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Speaker 1: twenty one to the Packers. That was it. The Falcons

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Speaker 1: scored twelve, the Raiders scored fourteen. The Bears, even though

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Speaker 1: they wont, scored only sixteen points. Paul. So there's no

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Speaker 1: easy task to go in against the Vikings and thinking oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll score twenty five to thirty points. That's more of

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Speaker 1: a reason why if Cook goes off and is able

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Speaker 1: to get big runs or even just chunks and put

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Speaker 1: together lengthy, sustainable drives. Yeah, I think it's gonna put

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Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on the Giants because I don't

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Speaker 1: think the Giants are going into this game thinking, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna score twenty five to thirty points, which means

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Speaker 1: you could win a low scoring game. Don't get me wrong,

635
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Speaker 1: but it's gonna be hard to win a low scoring game.

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Speaker 1: If Cook is just dominating on the ground. You want

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins to have more pass attempts than Dalvin Cook

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Speaker 1: because that, in all likelihood probably means that either it's

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Speaker 1: a close game or the Vikings are playing for behind.

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Speaker 1: That's the ratio you want to strive for a few

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Speaker 1: that I agree with you one thousand percent, Lance, because ultimately,

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Speaker 1: if Cook is one on the ball well and it's

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00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: a low scoring game, that means the Vikings will own

644
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: the time of possession, which is gonna make it very

645
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: difficult for the Giants to score points for a minute

646
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: and outscore the Vikings in a close game. It's gonna

647
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: be very very hard to do well if you use

648
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: that time of possession philosophy, Paul, and I'm just going

649
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: to confirm this because I think I'm correct. Do you

650
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: know how many possessions the Vikings had in the first

651
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: half of the Bears game on Sunday, two possessions. They

652
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: had the ball for two possessions. They had a nine

653
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: play twenty eight yard drive that ended with a punt,

654
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: and then at twelve place sixty one yard drive then

655
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: enter with a fumble. That was it. That was the

656
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: extent of the Vikings having the football in the first half. Now, granted,

657
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: the Bears only had three possessions, but the Bears had

658
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: two very lengthy drives, a fourteen play drive that eat

659
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,479
Speaker 1: up over seven minutes and a sixteen play drive at

660
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: eight up six and a half. So if the Giants

661
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: could put together lengthy drives, wear down the Vikings defense

662
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: and then forced Kirk Cousins to throw the football, that

663
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: obviously is the ideal recipe to knock off Minnesota. Sure

664
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Speaker 1: they want to be able to duplicate Chicago's game plan,

665
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: but don't Chicago. That's what I was getting at. That's

666
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: the major difference. See, when you go and you get

667
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: the blueprints for the Bears, it's one thing if you

668
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: have guys like Khalil Mack and really good secondary and

669
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: linebackers that know how to get after people and are aggressive.

670
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: It's a little bit different for the Giants perspective gets

671
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: there very young at a position that the Bears are

672
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: extremely strong. So that's something that you can't dismiss within

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Speaker 1: the conversation. Let's add back to the phone lines, Big

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Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff Live. He's palled the Tino onlines. Meadow Don

675
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: is in Fairfield, Don, Welcome to the program. What do

676
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: you got for us? Hey, good afternoon, guys. Really enjoy yourself.

677
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Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning. I appreciate it. I've been listening to

678
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Speaker 1: the discussion of the defenses the Giants is that I

679
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: have to put up against the Vikings, who specifically, what

680
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: is our linebacker line up gonna look like? And uh,

681
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: you know, how well would the free safety the second question,

682
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: how well would the free safety defense to against Cook? Well,

683
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: that was something we were talking about earlier. I think

684
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Speaker 1: that it gives the Vikings some different looks that they

685
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: have to think about. You know, Paul had thrown out,

686
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: you may become a little bit more susceptible against the run. Uh,

687
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: Antoine Bethet, Jabrill Peppers, Michael Thomas. You know that's the

688
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: three safeties that certainly they could easily rely on Bafet

689
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: if you look at his numbers at Peppers. I mean,

690
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Speaker 1: those are your two leading tacklers right now on the season.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it would be a detriment to the

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Speaker 1: Giants if they threw those three guys out there, especially

693
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Speaker 1: given a number of their linebackers are backed up. I

694
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: would expect the Giants to turn to that alignment and

695
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: start off with it, see whether or not they're successful,

696
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: and if anything, make changes, because you know, right now

697
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: the Giants are hurting at the middle linebacker spot. Ryan

698
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: Connolly was playing really good football and he was also

699
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: up there in terms of amongst the leading tacklers for

700
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: the Giants, So you don't have him. Ogletree highly unlikely

701
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: he's going to play, So you're gonna be relying on

702
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: Nate Stupar. Okay, he knows the system, but you know

703
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: he's been missing some time with the Giants because he

704
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: wasn't with them and David Mayl, and I don't know

705
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: if the Giants want to expose those two guys, in

706
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: particular to having to stop Dalvin Cook for the majority

707
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: of the game. So I think if you're Betcher toying

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00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 1: with the three safety. Look at the initial stages, Paul,

709
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: once again, is something worthwhile, and then you make adjustments

710
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: if you're struggling in that to part. Here's what I

711
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: will say. I will I will predict right now, and

712
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: I don't like to make a lot of predictions. I

713
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: like to just base things on logic and facts. But

714
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: if you want a gut feel with a prediction here,

715
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: I think the Giants will use more substitutions and rotations

716
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: on defense than they have the entire season. I think

717
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: you will see guys literally running in and out constantly,

718
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: almost on a down and yardage basis. That's that's that's

719
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: what I think is going to happen. They are going

720
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: to do a ton of situational substitutions, more so than

721
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: any other time this year. Okay, just my final point here.

722
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: I just was concerned about who's gonna fill with gaps

723
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: up front in the with the Minnesota run game, and

724
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: that's what we just try to tell you though. With

725
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: with the multiple substitutions, it's gonna have to be different

726
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 1: guys on different players, team effort. It's not it's not

727
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: gonna be just one guy or two guys. It's just not.

728
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: I don't think the Giants match up well enough to

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00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: do that. You know, we're not talking about having guys

730
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Speaker 1: like Jim burt Uh, you know, playing nose tackling, Harry

731
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 1: Carson on the inside, and Gary Reasons and Steve Diasci

732
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: playing inside linebacker. That's not the case here. The Giants

733
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: don't have those guys. So they're gonna have to mix

734
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: and match based on yardage and distance, and guys are

735
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: gonna have to do the job they're called upon in

736
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 1: those particular situations. Mayo, I'm looking at this snap count.

737
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: Mayo against the Redskins played sixty percent of the defensive

738
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: snaps and Nate Stupar he played only four percent, So

739
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, once again, they were relying a lot on

740
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Speaker 1: David Mayo. Then if you look at the three safeties,

741
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: Peppers and Bethe played a hundred percent of the defensive

742
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: snaps and they will, which is not a stunning surprise.

743
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas played about half. So Michael Thomas played more

744
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: snaps than Nate Stupar. And we're not just talking about

745
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: very close margin, Paul, We're talking about a sizeable disparity

746
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: in terms of how many times Michael Thomas was down

747
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: on the field more so than Nate Stupars. So I

748
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: would expect that to be more of the alignment, much

749
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: more so than seeing Nate Stupar snaps exponentially increase. And

750
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Speaker 1: Michael Thomas, if Cook gets it going early in the game,

751
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: will you make that three safety that three safety packages

752
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 1: out the window. And that's what I said, You start

753
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: with that early and then if it's not effective, then

754
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: you that time you could be down four nothing well,

755
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: but you could also put out more linebackers and you

756
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: could also see Dalvid Cook run wild too. That's not

757
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: necessarily a guarantee. That's why I would go with the

758
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: extra defensive lineman myself. But again that there are there

759
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 1: were so many. There are literally a handful of options

760
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: here on philosophically, how you want to approach this. The

761
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: bottom line for me is that I think you're going

762
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 1: to see a ton a ton of substitutions virtually in

763
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: every play. Have a good day. I appreciate the phone

764
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: called don thanks so much for weighing in. And as

765
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: these young guys get more and more comfortable in the scheme,

766
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: you would think that Betcher would be confident to play

767
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: a number of them. Also skipper. Okay two's our skipper

768
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 1: who was claimed off waivers from the Steelers. I think

769
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: he's getting more and more comfortable, so you're starting to

770
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: see his snap count go up. By the way, he

771
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: played percent to the snaps last game. So that's somebody

772
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: else at the linebackers more of a pass rusher. But

773
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: I'm just the point I'm making is is that just

774
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: like last year when you had those six waiver claims,

775
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: you didn't start to see a number of those guys

776
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: play until four to five games to the season. No surprise,

777
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: we're seeing it again. I think trend in that direction,

778
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: so it wouldn't once again be something that I think

779
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: is a stretch to see James Betcher have confidence in

780
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: some of these other guys as were now a quarter

781
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: of the way into the season. Certainly, one thing that

782
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: will help is that the Giant special teams have been terrific.

783
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: The punt car JUnit in particular has done an outstanding

784
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: job this year, and what you would like to think

785
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: is that they will give the Vikings a very long

786
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: feel to work with as many times as possible, and

787
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: that's what you want to do, especially if it's a

788
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: team that relies on the run game, you know, force

789
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook to have to do a lot of the

790
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: heavy lifting. But for long sustainable drives, you never want

791
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: to give a team short field, no matter who the

792
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: opponent is. And that's one of the things that you

793
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 1: know the Giants are also gonna have to be careful

794
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: with in terms of protecting the football on offense, which

795
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: is something that is a priority for every game. But

796
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: the last two games you've had now two turnovers each

797
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: from Daniel Jones, So that's got to be a priority

798
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: in this game because Minnesota can be an opportunistic defense. See,

799
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 1: tilting the field isn't so much about forcing the Vikings

800
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: to have long sustainable drives. What it is is that

801
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: it changes their playbook. If you were constantly forcing them

802
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: to start drives inside their own thirty or inside their

803
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 1: own twenty, they will, like every team in the NFL,

804
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: they will adjust their playbook accordingly, and they will be

805
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: forced to right to run the ball more. Which if

806
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: you believe that you can stack up Cook, that's what

807
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: you want. You want to be able to tilt the field,

808
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: force them to try to lean on the run, and

809
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: then if they can't do it and you're successful in

810
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: stopping it. Now, all of a sudden, Cousins is in

811
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: a position where he has to start throwing more than

812
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: the Vikings want him to. And if he's doing it

813
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: from his own territory, well, now the turnovers and the

814
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: takeaways come into play, because that's when Cousins tends to

815
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Speaker 1: get sloppy with the ball. Well, they are already pounding

816
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: the football so much, whether they have a short field

817
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: or a long field, So I don't know how much

818
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: that would necessarily change. There will be less to throw

819
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: it if they're deep in their own territory, well, less

820
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: inclined to. Once again, I don't think most teams want

821
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Speaker 1: to put That's the point quarterback in the precas point

822
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Speaker 1: the back against the wall. That's why you want special

823
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: teams when they say complimentary football. You want special teams

824
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: to help put the Vikings in a position where they're

825
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: going to really lean on the run. You want to

826
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Speaker 1: force them to lean on a run with the thought

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Speaker 1: that you're gonna stack up against the run and try

828
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: to limit it. But it all goes back to being

829
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: able to execute and stop the run. I can put

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00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: them in a period, you can put them in a

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Speaker 1: position where You're like, Okay, they're gonna have to run

832
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: the football, and then if you don't make stops and

833
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: you have manageable third downs, then it completely defeats the purpose.

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Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, it's all about

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Speaker 1: execution and a relatable note, you know, Pat Schermer has

836
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Speaker 1: been asked this week. Mike Zimmer has been asked a

837
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: lot this week about the familiarity on both sides because

838
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: Shermer worked under Zimmer two thousand sixteen start off as

839
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Speaker 1: the tight ends coach, became INTERMOC seventeen was the o

840
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: C for the entire year, so they've been practicing against

841
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: Shermer's offense most of this group for two seasons. And

842
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: at the same time, Shermer's very familiar with Mike Zimmer's

843
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: defense and George Edwards, who was the defensive coordina there

844
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: for the two years when Schermer was on the offensive staff.

845
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Speaker 1: But we had a similar conversation when we were talking

846
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: about the Bucks. Because of Bruce Arian's knowledge Paul of

847
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 1: James Betcher, and the fact that Todd Bowle's groom, James Betcher,

848
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: and we could sit here and analyze they're gonna know

849
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: a few different tricks that they may have up on

850
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: their sleeve. That's fine. If the players don't execute it

851
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything. And correct Zimmer spoke of that. Shermer

852
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: has even spoken of that. Yeah, we know each other's

853
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: jar again, we know each other's philosophies. But if our

854
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: players don't make the necessary stops, lean on the fundamentals

855
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Speaker 1: that we're teaching, it really doesn't matter how comfortable you

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Speaker 1: are with the opposing scheme. Two zero one five one

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Speaker 1: three is the telephone number hashtag giants chat on Twitter.

858
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Speaker 1: We go to the phone lines again. Clay is in Brooklyn. Clay,

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Speaker 1: Welcome the Big Blue Kickoff Live. What do you offer us? Hell?

860
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Speaker 1: You guys, are you today? Right? A couple of things

861
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about this week. I think that

862
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: death of Lawrence are gonna be really key. Um. First

863
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Speaker 1: of all, I think he's having a great season. He's

864
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: really got a lot of push and he's occupying a

865
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: lot of blockers. I didn't hear you guys talk about it,

866
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Speaker 1: and I did step away from the screen for minutes,

867
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Speaker 1: so maybe you did. About um the looky that they've

868
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: added for this game. Joseph Tarafa, I think that he

869
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: and Lorenzo Carter are actually going to get a lot

870
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: of look at inside linebacker because Josiah you talk about

871
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: from San Antonio, correct, I think he and Lorenzo Carter

872
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: are going to play a lot of inside Lanca. I'll

873
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: tell you why. I think Marcus Golden, Ocean, Zimenez and

874
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: two's our skipper. I think it's had to say his

875
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: name and Peace all these you know, these new guys

876
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 1: are are known for their edge pressure and Minnesota's tackles

877
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 1: a week, So I think we match up well with

878
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: those guys, and we can spare Lorenzo this week to

879
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: put him on the inside, which he has played. You know,

880
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: he he's gotten the sheriff snaps on the inside, um

881
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: you know, since he's been here, uh not as many

882
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: years on the outside, of course, but but I think

883
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: he's a solid contributor to the inside, which is where

884
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: a weak spart spot is, and we can afford I'd

885
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 1: braud to have him on the inside and a whole

886
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: lot of Nats spar and I think that Zimenez, gold

887
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: and Skipper and Peace can beat their tackles. So I'm

888
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: curious what you think about that. Well, Brian O'Neill, is

889
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: their right tackle for the Viking has actually been playing

890
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 1: really good football since he took over as a rookie

891
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: last year. They've been very fond of his play and

892
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: didn't give up a sack last year, and uh, I

893
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 1: think he's been solid this year. So now I don't

894
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: know how much necessarily of advantages against Brian O'Neill and

895
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: Riley Reef is a veteran left tackle who's been with

896
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: the team for three seasons, and prior to that he

897
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: was with the Detroit Lions. And as I mentioned, there's

898
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Speaker 1: some injuries on the interiors, so you know, I don't

899
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: I wouldn't spell it out to say that the Giants

900
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: have a significant advantage to just say, hey, guys go

901
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: out on an island in the pass rushreet department, and

902
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: then you know that'll free up the interior to just

903
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: attack those guys from the inside. I don't think there's

904
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: any doubt that they're having trouble with their past protection

905
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: this year. I'm not as high on the guy's land,

906
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: although I liked O'Neill coming out of school and I

907
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 1: liked Riley Reef a few years ago as a free agent.

908
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: But both of those guys are having their troubles. The

909
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: question becomes, uh, know this, but this is not Tuck

910
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: and o C and straight Hand and Lawrence Taylor and

911
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: those kinds of guys. That's not who we're talking about here,

912
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: you know. So I mean, are they Are they susceptible

913
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: to giving up pressures and making mistakes and giving up

914
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: gaps increases, There is no question about that. And if

915
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: you're the Giants, you want to be able to take

916
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: advantage of it. And this increasingly productive pass rush over

917
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: the last two weeks makes me believe that the Giants

918
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Speaker 1: have a chance to get some pressure on Cousins. But

919
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Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen if Cook runs all over them

920
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: in the first half, right, which is why I'm saying,

921
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: I think car in the middle helps us reduce their

922
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: running game. That my goal is to stop the running game.

923
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: I think that to Lawrence is gonna have his way

924
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: with Garrett Bradberry, who has not shown me much at all.

925
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: And I think that remember Tomlinson in the standard three

926
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Speaker 1: four set, Tomlinson's playing the nose tackle spot. See this

927
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: is one of the reasons why I would go to

928
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: Ford defensive linemen. I'd go forward defensive lineman because I

929
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: would put Tomas, Tomlinson and Lawrence as my two down

930
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: defensive tackles. Okay, in early downs. When I say this,

931
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: please let me explain something. When I say go for

932
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Speaker 1: defensive linemen with the stand up edge Russia and Golden,

933
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about is on early downs. Okay, because

934
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 1: now you're either right. Because if the Vikings think they're

935
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: gonna pound it into that brick wall, I'd like to

936
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Speaker 1: believe the Giants can hold up with Tomlinson and Lawrence

937
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: on the inside of that five man front. I'd like

938
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Speaker 1: to think that they could Stimy Cook. Maybe they can't.

939
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm a fool and that won't work, but I

940
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: think it could if those two big bodies are in

941
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: the awn. Honestly, I don't even know that we have

942
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: to go with the boeman, but I just think that

943
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: Lawrenson and Dalvin Tomlinson, if the three of them are

944
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: on the field together, I think that can really lock up.

945
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: You know that they're they've been getting penetration every place

946
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: like they obviously rotate out a lot, but when the

947
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: three everyone in the field teams don't run. Look, I'd

948
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: love to see it. I'd love to see it. See

949
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm one of these guys who wants to dictate to

950
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: the other team what's gonna happen. I don't. I don't

951
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: want to wait and see, like, oh, I think my

952
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: guys can hold up. I like to be aggressive and

953
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: I like to dictate. You know, Parcels used to say

954
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: all the time, impose your will on the opposition. You

955
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: want to get them thinking. You want to get them

956
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: trying to do stuff that's not normal for them because

957
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: they don't necessarily believe and have the confidence in doing

958
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 1: what they do. They think we're gonna take it away

959
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: from them, which is why I would personally go five

960
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: man front. I hat But what I'm trying to avoid

961
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: is Josiah tell Us and David Mayo and Nate Scupar

962
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: rotating in and out two inside Live. I feel like

963
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: we got to add something else. Well, hopefully take da Yeah,

964
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: take Davis Tate. Davis may be back again. We we don't.

965
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: We don't know for sure. We in the media portion

966
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: of the practice today, he did not have the yellow

967
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: jersey on, so I would say there's a possibility he

968
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: went through the linebacker drills without wearing the yellow jersey.

969
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: So I'd say there's a possibility to Davis would be

970
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: back and that would help. Yeah, And I'm looking at

971
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: the updated practice report from today. Lorenzo Cardor Ta, Davis

972
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: Goleman were limited, Soldier and Zeitler were full participants, and

973
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: Barkley and Ogletree did not practice. Now, remember one one

974
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: other thing too. Even though Carter played every position in

975
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: the linebacking corps when he was at Georgia, since he's

976
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: been here, they don't want to mess with him. They

977
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 1: decided you are the strong sideline backer and that's where

978
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna stay. And I don't mind telling you I've

979
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: talked to him about that and he is very happy

980
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 1: that they've allowed him to hone in on one position.

981
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: So I don't think i'd be too too anxious to

982
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: suddenly make him the middle guy in this defense on Sunday. Yeah.

983
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: I think they want him to focus on the area

984
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: of his strength as opposed to, you know, play a

985
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: game of musical chairs with his time. And so I

986
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: would personally also be very surprised to see him moved

987
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: to the inside very often throughout the course of this game.

988
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: I think they have confidence in the guys that are

989
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: already playing in the interior. I do think, you know,

990
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: Josiah Tao is active. You know, he's certainly somebody that

991
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: he could turn to in the middle of the defensive

992
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: linebacker because he was extremely active in the preseason. So

993
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: that would be a guy that I think would make

994
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: sense if they don't go to the three safety alignment.

995
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: Tawafa would be a guy that could play the linebacker

996
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: position and help, you know, come down in the box

997
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: and chase after Dalvin Cook. So that to me is

998
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: a logical and the rouster. But I'll be honest. I

999
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: also thought Corey Valentine looked great in preseason and they

1000
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: haven't put any responsibility in his lap. So it makes

1001
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: me nervous about Tawafa until I actually see it in

1002
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 1: the game. And again that's what I'm trying to avoids.

1003
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: Had eight tackles in the preseason game against the Bengals,

1004
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: which was his best performance of the exhibition schedule. But

1005
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: in all honesty, I kind of thought, and it's a

1006
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 1: shame he's on injury reserved because they can't go get him.

1007
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: I thought Jonathan Anderson, the former Bear, was actually pretty

1008
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: productive as an inside backer during the preseason games. But

1009
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: he is not eligible to come back. He's he's on

1010
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: I R for the season because he was put on

1011
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: before the fifty three was finalized. Right, have a good day,

1012
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: Thank you appreciate the phone call. Thanks so much for

1013
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: weighing in. Let's check out Twitter or no. Number of

1014
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: people are throwing out some comments in relation to the

1015
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: topics at hand. At Adam Carl thirteen, how is Sam

1016
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: Bille looking. Do you think there's a chance to get

1017
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: on the field for him and contribute the second half

1018
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: of the season. Well, when you're on I R, you

1019
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: can't practice for the first six weeks, so there's really

1020
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: no update as far as Sam bill is. Good SIRTD correct.

1021
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: These guys they're not allowed to run around or anything

1022
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: because they're restricted because of injured reserve. They can only

1023
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: be with the trainers on the side. They can't run.

1024
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: But the point is you're not being able to tell

1025
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: anything at this point in terms of progress, So I

1026
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: don't think that's necessarily anything to go crazy about. UM.

1027
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: I think Clayton, who we just heard from at Clayton

1028
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: Hard and fourteen said no, it's very unusual for non

1029
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: linebackers to lead their teams and tackles, but they was

1030
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: the only non linebacker in the top seventeen and tackles

1031
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: last year. Well, I didn't look at necessarily the full

1032
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: rankings of every single player, but if you look at

1033
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 1: the Giants, they've had plenty of safeties lead their team

1034
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: and tackles. So All and Collins over the course of

1035
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: the last how many years now have always been up there.

1036
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it's unusual. End if you also go

1037
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: to Antoine Bethet, but they has been the leader of

1038
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: his respective teams and tackles, and but they's been on

1039
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: multiple teams during the course of his not uncommon. That's

1040
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: the point, So I be careful with making bold declarations

1041
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: after just looking at the two thousand eighteen stats. You

1042
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: gotta look at a much larger sample. So it's like

1043
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: a guess how many times in Lawrence Taylor did the

1044
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: Giants and tackles zero? Well, there you go, greatest defensive

1045
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: player who's ever walked the face of an NFL field,

1046
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: zero times did he leaders team and tackles? Doesn't mean anything, yeah,

1047
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: but I mean just because you want your linebackers to

1048
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: lead your team and tackles, and I'm sure everybody doesn't

1049
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: want their safe safeties to lead, because then that means

1050
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: that they weren't getting to the third layer of the defense.

1051
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: But you have safeties that are there for a reason

1052
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 1: to be aggressive, to run to multiple spots on the field.

1053
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: And yeah, of course it all depends on the scheme,

1054
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: but a lot of it is scheme. And then and

1055
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: then there are times, and I'm not gonna lie to you, folks,

1056
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: there are times when your front seven is so weak

1057
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: that your safety has to lead the team and tackles

1058
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 1: by default. That does happen. The point is, though it

1059
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: is not an automatic assumption, you know, because there are

1060
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: too many other times where it's actually by design. Choose

1061
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: one five one three is the telephone number hashtag giants

1062
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: chat on Twitter and opportunity for you to weigh in

1063
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: on social media throughout the course of our program if

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00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: you can't get to the phones, because we certainly will

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Speaker 1: be continuing to monitor hashtag giants chat. This comes from

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Speaker 1: at NYG MIA fan Shermer saying s Kwan could possibly

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Speaker 1: return this week is a bluff to get Minnesota the

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Speaker 1: game plan for him, but if he does end up playing,

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Speaker 1: I will never doubt se Kwan ever again And that

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Speaker 1: was one of the things we threw out. As I said, Paul,

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Speaker 1: there is no incentive for Pat Shermer to make an

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Speaker 1: announcement middle of the one that's kwon. Barkley is definitely

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Speaker 1: out of the game. What exactly does he gain from

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00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: making that statement? Nothing? Nothing. So on Friday, as he explained,

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Speaker 1: he has to give an updated into a report and

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Speaker 1: a status report as per league rules. Until that time,

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Speaker 1: there is absolutely no reason for him to say that

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Speaker 1: the guy will play or won't play. And as I've

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Speaker 1: said to people on Twitter, and I've had people ask about, well,

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Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. Look, I'm not giving you an opinion.

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Speaker 1: I'm simply reporting to you guys what we see and

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Speaker 1: what has been said. I I will leave the guesswork

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Speaker 1: to people who want to throw mud against the wall.

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Speaker 1: As Pat Shermer said, there are those outside the building

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Speaker 1: who's doctors gave a prognosis without ever seeing the player.

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Speaker 1: And and and Coach Scharmer is, you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: kind of with a grin on his face. Those doctors

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Speaker 1: are on our doctors. Our doctors know what the situation is.

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Speaker 1: And that's just the way it is. You know that

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Speaker 1: that's always the danger in being you know, in the guesswork,

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00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: the speculation when when you're you're going to people outside

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00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: the building and they really don't know, they just start

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00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: throwing numbers against the wall and they hope that they're right. Well,

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00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 1: and that's why also players get multiple diagnoses from different

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00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: doctors because they are saying to themselves just because one

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00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: guy says I'm gonna be out for eight weeks, doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean that another doctor doesn't see it from went for

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Speaker 1: a second opinion exactly. So you know, that's the reason

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Speaker 1: why you want to gather as much info as possible.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I will tell you it's always been

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Speaker 1: my experience that it is most preferable. Despite what coach

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Speaker 1: Sherember said about s Quan, you know that he doesn't

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00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: necessarily have to practice, but he's got to show him

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Speaker 1: some things. My experience in the league has been it

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Speaker 1: most preferable if the guy at least takes some practice

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Speaker 1: snaps before he takes the field on Sunday. That is

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Speaker 1: That is an opinion and and an observation over years

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Speaker 1: and years of experience that I'm willing to give you.

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Speaker 1: But that's a generic opinion about most situations. Very rarely

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Speaker 1: have I seen coaches. Mark Bavaro was one of them.

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Speaker 1: When Bavaro had his bad knee, had the micro fracture,

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Speaker 1: Parcels did not require him to practice during the week

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Speaker 1: and he could still go out there on Sunday and play.

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Speaker 1: He did it the whole season. Plexical Births did that

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Speaker 1: with Coughlin. Uh did that with Coughlin. It has happened. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's not preferable. It does not happen often. That's a fact.

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Speaker 1: Not giving an opinion, that's a fact. And that's why

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Speaker 1: I think, based on the info right now, Barkley has

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Speaker 1: not practiced each of the last two days against I

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Speaker 1: don't think there's any question the odds would be against.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean It's impossible? No, No, it depends

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Speaker 1: on you know, what the Giants training staff and their

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Speaker 1: medical staff sees out of Barkley. But you keep in

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Speaker 1: mind the Giants also have another quick turnaround game coming

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Speaker 1: up after Sunday's game against the Vikings, they go to

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Speaker 1: New England. So I'm sure all of that is usually

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Speaker 1: taken into consideration when you think about throwing a player

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Speaker 1: out there extremely quickly, and you know, here's the other

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Speaker 1: side of things, I think that what they got out

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Speaker 1: of Wayne Golman was also a positive. Paul, Nobody's really

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Speaker 1: talked about that. Now, that doesn't mean that you hold

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Speaker 1: the player back because you like what the backup did.

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Speaker 1: But the Giants field, between Goldman and Hilleman and how

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Speaker 1: they were able to run the football, how Goldman was

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Speaker 1: involved as a receiver, that they're more than confident that

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Speaker 1: they can execute their game plan with the other running

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Speaker 1: backs on the roster. And if you didn't feel that way,

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Speaker 1: then those guys shouldn't be on the roster to begin with.

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Speaker 1: So I think Wayne Goldman himself is confident, and I

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Speaker 1: think the Giants coaching staff is confident that he can

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Speaker 1: handle the bulk of the reps with Barkley continuing to

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Speaker 1: be sidelined. Well, look, Goldman had over a hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifteen yards combined from scrimmage and catching and receiving touchdown.

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Speaker 1: I know we did have a fumble inside Giants territory.

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Speaker 1: I know Hillman fumbled inside the five of of the Redskins.

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Speaker 1: Those things are not things that you want to see,

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Speaker 1: but certainly they were able to move the chains and

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Speaker 1: be productive, all right, That is gonna wrap up the

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