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Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Not long ago, there used to be two types of comedians,

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Speaker 1: comedians and female comedians. Today there are so many women

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Speaker 1: making us laugh that the qualifier has been rendered obsolete.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live deserves a lot of the credit for

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Speaker 1: this development. The show has introduced us to Gilda Radner,

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Speaker 1: Jan Hooks, Maya Rudolph, Teina Fay, and Kristen Wigg, to

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Speaker 1: name just a few. But there's been another woman at

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Speaker 1: s n L, a woman who has been quietly working

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Speaker 1: day after day for seventeen years, often without sleeping, to

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Speaker 1: usher in this reality years. I've been there yet. Paula

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Speaker 1: Pell was working at a Florida theme park when she

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Speaker 1: got her dream job as a writer at Saturday Night Live.

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Speaker 1: Because the show has such a wide comedic range, it's

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Speaker 1: the perfect challenge for Paula. You've got the hard hitting

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Speaker 1: news parodies, and then on the other end, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's got fart jokes. It's got everything in it of

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Speaker 1: the low parts of comedy. Mostly me being responsible for Thailand.

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Speaker 1: ALBM of Baldwin taking a taking a ship in a

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Speaker 1: bed while he's sleeping, he Albim releases a gentle sleepaid

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Speaker 1: into your system that allows deep, restless sleep for up

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Speaker 1: to ten hours, so deep it turns off your brains

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Speaker 1: need to control the bodily functions most likely to wake you.

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Speaker 1: Rachel was like, did you yourself, I've slept like a baby. Done.

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Speaker 1: You tell me? You tell you tell me, tell me,

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Speaker 1: you tell me. In her memoir Bossy Pants, Tina Fey

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Speaker 1: writes that her proudest moment as head writer at SNL

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Speaker 1: was fighting for one of Pel's sketches introducing co text.

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Speaker 1: Classic Classic co text is a commercial for the feminine

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Speaker 1: protection of Yester, here featuring the sexy women proudly encumbered

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Speaker 1: with bulky pads connected to belts peeking out of their clothes.

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Speaker 1: I always you can't take the original room girls. Paula

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Speaker 1: pell In person is genuine, charming and easy, the kind

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Speaker 1: next to her on a plane, which, for those of

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Speaker 1: you not in the industry, is not a description of

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Speaker 1: the typical comedy writer. I was always a bit of

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Speaker 1: a class clown. I was. I was a good Catholic girl,

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Speaker 1: I would be funny in class and I do things

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Speaker 1: like one of my teachers. I would um do a

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Speaker 1: bit where I would go by him and drag my

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Speaker 1: And then I'd come over and I'd say, you know,

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Speaker 1: Mr Grocer, just a really great teacher, and I pat

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Speaker 1: He'd let me make him a little bit the fool

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Speaker 1: of looked at camera three, you know, on existence and

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Speaker 1: crack up. Or I'd pass notes and say when I sneeze,

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Speaker 1: And you know, I'd always be doing something. But I

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Speaker 1: grew up with an extremely funny dad, and my mom

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Speaker 1: is he worked for Ellinois Bell. We grew up in

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Speaker 1: But my entire childhood, my grandpa was a watchmaker for

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Speaker 1: all all of it. So that is the guy who

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Speaker 1: all the people in my family and all the relatives

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Speaker 1: of different generations, and they all had their thing. You know,

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Speaker 1: my mom has a beautiful singing voice. They all had

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Speaker 1: something that they wanted to do. But the way they

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Speaker 1: that he's the king of like. I will tell you that.

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Speaker 1: One of the hardest times I laughed at him is

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Speaker 1: my mom and I were watching Die Yard on television.

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Speaker 1: My dad's cutting the yard, and he's outside cutting the yard.

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Speaker 1: He's got his little jean shorts on and his tank top,

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Speaker 1: But then he'll do something based on what he's been

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Speaker 1: listening to. I. You know, I was listening to my

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Speaker 1: mom and the terrorists had the long blond hair, you know,

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Speaker 1: And she's like commenting on him. So we're laughing about

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Speaker 1: hour later, my dad just walked through. He had gone

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Speaker 1: They were good, Yes, without the training, they were good

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Speaker 1: what I love about it is my parents are in

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Speaker 1: We had so much laughter in our house, you know,

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Speaker 1: despite any any dysfunction, as any family, we always laugh.

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Speaker 1: You know, where did you go to college. I went

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Speaker 1: So you moved to Florida I moved to Florida. My

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Speaker 1: was really hard the first year. I just never liked

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Speaker 1: then I finished college and I came home and I

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Speaker 1: worked at the theme parks. What's that? How do you

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Speaker 1: And then they built Pleasure Island, which was the nighttime Disney.

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Speaker 1: You know, all the nightclubs Pleasure Island, Pleasure Island, Welcome Come.

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Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure that if like Dr Oz did

427
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 1: my actual age, you know how they test you and

428
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 1: your actually I'm probably a hundred and eighty now because

429
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 1: the stress of that. It's just such adrenaline. And you know,

430
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,399
Speaker 1: but I mean the beautiful thing about s and l

431
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 1: is hosts will come in and and you know, never

432
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 1: you because you were always very approachable. Whenever anyone asked

433
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 1: me about hosts, I always tell them that, you know,

434
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,479
Speaker 1: you are always one of my favorite hosts. I'm not

435
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 1: blowing air up here, you're COOLO. I got a little

436
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to what is cool? And yeah, well yeah,

437
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,479
Speaker 1: if you're blowing smoke up, but it's obviously could you

438
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 1: have men? Do have other holes? But like you know,

439
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 1: host will come in with their people and they're very

440
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 1: nice and very scared, but they have a little bit

441
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 1: of that sometimes because they're fearful and they have people

442
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: protecting them. And by the end of the week, they're

443
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 1: just always at that after party. You know, they're sitting

444
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,359
Speaker 1: with everybody and laying across everybody because it feels like theater.

445
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 1: It feels like I'm in theater camp. And this is

446
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 1: what I miss doing. More from Paula Pell in a moment,

447
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 1: this is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the Thing.

448
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin, and you're listening to Here's the Thing.

449
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 1: Paula Pell has been writing sketches at SNL for seventeen years,

450
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 1: but like any of us, sometimes she just gets tired

451
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 1: of comedy. Oh my god, yeah, the pity now my

452
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 1: my gale of fourteen years. She watches a lot of TV,

453
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 1: and she watches shows that I wouldn't generally watch, like

454
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: Castle or you know, like Hawai Fi Bo or like

455
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 1: Murder Shore and I mean, you know, murder shows, C

456
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: S I and CIS. She'll watch all She'll take she'll

457
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: tape all these shows in like elementary all these new shows,

458
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 1: and I'll get totally hooked on things and realize that

459
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 1: I just love I always loved having drama and comedy together.

460
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the fun thing about writing movies. Now

461
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 1: you can have a moment that's just a heart wrenching

462
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: moment in a comedy that's that's real. You know, that

463
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: feels more three dimensional, because after seventeen years of sketches,

464
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 1: you do get a little stir crazy with feeling like

465
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 1: you're just writing something on the surface. I mean, it's

466
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: great to make people laugh, but when I go home,

467
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: I love to watch dramas or some reality things. I

468
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: love to just not think about comedy. I do the

469
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: show and I go out there and it's really um

470
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: and I'll say, I'm never doing this. This is ridiculous.

471
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: I can't be bothered with this toastiness. These people are

472
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: all young, and they're all crazy, and they're all puerile,

473
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: and all they talk about his thoughts and brazils and

474
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: so forth. And then I'm gonna go do as you

475
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,959
Speaker 1: like it in the park. Then of course, you know,

476
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 1: Lauren calls me. I'm like, okay, yeah, he'll call me

477
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 1: like I get thrown off the plane on American airlines

478
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 1: for for playing words with friends. The phone rings like

479
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,719
Speaker 1: three or four days there it's Lauren and he literally

480
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: he literally, he literally goes, so perhaps we should do something.

481
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god, I can't believe you.

482
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: People are insane. This would be the week you should

483
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: wish would be the week, you know, which like that

484
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 1: thing where we have to do it now, but you

485
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,479
Speaker 1: can't say no to them. You feel like you you

486
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 1: just forget how immediate it is. You know, years ago

487
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: I did a sketch with UM, with a little young,

488
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: little sweet faced Um justin timber Lake when he was

489
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: in in Sync. I used to write a sketch called

490
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: UM six Degrees Celsius and it was like a boy

491
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,719
Speaker 1: group and Will Ferrell was their manager and you had

492
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: to stay threeet away from them because clearly he had

493
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: done some inappropriate things. He had tinted glasses. Of course,

494
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 1: you know. It was Jimmy Fallon and Chris Ktan and

495
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 1: Horatio and they were and they were in Chris Chris

496
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 1: Parnell and they were a boy group and then we'd

497
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 1: have the host in it. Well that week in Sync

498
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: was there. We asked and Sync to be another boy

499
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: group in this competition on the show, playing a fake

500
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: boy group, And so I wrote a song called hold

501
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: the Pickle, and they were like McDonald's employees and so

502
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: in sync came out with like McDonald's outfits on and

503
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: saying hold the pit Gill and they're so they were

504
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: so crazy talented, Like they got there and looked at

505
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: it for ten minutes and had full harmonies and full choreography.

506
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: I mean, they threw that ship together. I was just

507
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: amazed they came on. And then remember what was the

508
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: MTV thing every Sunday, like the big I can't think

509
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: of the name of it, but the show the like

510
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 1: show that they show all the videos and everything at

511
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: that time. Do you remember what those Okay, well, anyway,

512
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: it was. It was a very do you know the

513
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 1: big video show that the kids used to dance to. Um.

514
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: But the next morning, I'm in my little apartment and

515
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: you know, I probably ordered four entrees from some to

516
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: go things to eat my pain, because you always did.

517
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: On Sunday and I turned on the TV and Justin

518
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: timber Lake was on TV on the show at noon

519
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: in Times Square, and there were just hundreds of girls

520
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: down there waving to him, and they had a banner

521
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: with the words to the song hold the Pickle on

522
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: the banner that they had painted, and I was looking

523
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: at it, going, that cannot be because as we just

524
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: did this, like I just woke up and we just

525
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: and then I just remembered like I used to get obsessed.

526
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't have the Internet, I didn't have videos.

527
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: But back at the day, I mean, my god, if

528
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: I would have grown up in the Internet era, I

529
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: would have been the queen of like, you know, just

530
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: having my own fans site. Yeah, because I just loved

531
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: it and I wanted And we were having a funny

532
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: conversation the other day. In my journals. When I was young,

533
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: I would talk about Rocky because I was obsessed with

534
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: Rocky Sylvester Stallone and the very first Rocky movie. And

535
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: I would talk about, like, in two weeks people magazine

536
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: is going to have an article about him, and I

537
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: would wait until we got that magazine and then I

538
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: would take it home and I cut it out and

539
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: put it in a script. You know, you you had

540
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: to wait to get information or a photo of someone,

541
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: or if you really loved a singer, you had to

542
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: wait for their album to come out, and now you

543
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: just you just when I was a kid, there was

544
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: no cable, there was no E v D that the

545
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: trailers for movies and and the build up, the ramp

546
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: up of a campaign to advertise a film was or

547
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: at least it seemed so far reaching back then. I'll

548
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: never forget. We went to The Godfather and I was

549
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: underage and we we snuck in. I forget how now

550
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: we stood in line and it was like three screening,

551
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: you know, like one o'clock, four o'clock, seven o'clock, and

552
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: you go to the top of the line and didn't

553
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: get in, so you waited another three hours, you know,

554
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: reading Mad magazine or some crap we read back then.

555
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: And I always say, now people wait to stream a

556
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: movie and it's like, you know, four minutes to stream

557
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: in their tap and their foot and going come on exactly.

558
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: And the other thing is that they'll watch twenty minutes

559
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: e and then they'll pause and they'll go talk on

560
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: the phone and they'll go play interest in it. Now

561
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: you are you left to do a television show? I left.

562
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: I left about six years ago to do I wrote

563
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: a pilot called Thick and Thin that was about too

564
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: fat sisters that grew up fat and one gets really

565
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: hot and thin and beautiful. NBC. Yeah, we shot the pilot.

566
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 1: It got picked up for like thirteen, but it was

567
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: a bad year for multi camera sitcoms. It was kind

568
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: of when they were getting phased out. And it was

569
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: also about a subject that was a little weird still

570
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: back in that era of you know, there wasn't a

571
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: whole bunch of stuff with weight stuff, and I really

572
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: wanted like real people that look fat, you know, that

573
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: look fat because I had struggled with my weight all

574
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: my life and lost huge amounts of weight a couple

575
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: of times in my life. Sharon Glass and Martin Maull

576
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: played the parents, and they played my parents, so it

577
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: was their names. They did all of my dad's stick

578
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it was really a special thing. My parents

579
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: came to the pilot and that, you know, it was.

580
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: It was very emotional and wonderful and fun. But the

581
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: process of developing a network show like that is so hard,

582
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: and I really, in hindsight learned so you know, learned

583
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: so many things after the fact. You know which one

584
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: thing arned that you can say, um, well, the biggest

585
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: thing I learned as I'm I'm a people pleaser and

586
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: I always like to get to know people and see

587
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: the good sides of them, and I wanted to have

588
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: a lot of positive energy with with them because I

589
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: had known so many people that developed stuff that we're

590
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: like welcome to hell, you know, everyone just gets so

591
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: negative about it. I thought, you know what, I'm gonna

592
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: go into this. I'm so lucky to be doing this.

593
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: I'm so thrilled. But I befriended everyone so intensely, you know,

594
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: especially like network people and everything. I befriended everyone, so

595
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: then there was this sort of discomfort at telling them

596
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: things they didn't want to hear, or me pushing back

597
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: in bigger ways. And because I had already established that

598
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: we're all just friends and we're all having fun and

599
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: we're laughing, then they would suggest things that were just

600
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: show ruining and I would just be like, okay, well,

601
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, and I just at the time didn't really

602
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: have my voice as a as a creative person to

603
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: lead something like that, you know, So I I regret that,

604
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: and I regret not um pushing more. I mean casting

605
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: was you know, a little brutal just because of the weight.

606
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: Thing is they would they would bring people in that

607
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: were I wanted real people that were you know, I

608
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: wanted the other sister to me a real heavy person.

609
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: And and when they'd audition heavy people sometimes I'd watch

610
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: their faces when they're auditioning them, and They're kind of

611
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: like looking at their bodies, and I'm going, this is

612
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: not good that they don't get it that like that.

613
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: You know, rose Anne was freaking huge hit show. It's like,

614
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: come on. I don't even remember who said this to me,

615
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: but one of the network people pulled me aside during

616
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: one of the castings and she said, did you audition

617
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: this other girl for that part for the heavy sister?

618
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: And I said no, I auditioned her for the thin sister.

619
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: And she said you couldn't pad her, could you. And

620
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: I just remember walking away going, this is so dead

621
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: in the water. You know, now movies, you're doing a

622
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: movie now, Yeah, I did. I worked a little bit

623
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: on Bridesmaids. I just came a couple of different times

624
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: and just you know, pitch jokes on the set, did

625
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Had never done anything movie wise ever,

626
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: And I really really had fun doing it. I really

627
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. And then I Judd started hiring me to

628
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: do some rewrites on different movi vis and punch ups

629
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: and stuff, and I started to see, you know, because

630
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: I had tried to get into it before in other

631
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,719
Speaker 1: eras of my life. Um. But at the same time,

632
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: I had had an idea for a while about my journal,

633
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: my childhood journal, of doing something with it. I wanted

634
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: to do a little play based on it. I wanted

635
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: to do something with it, and Tina had, you know,

636
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: I'd read it to her many times in s and L.

637
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: I'd read it to people before I came up with

638
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: an idea for a movie to do to pitch and

639
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: I pitched it to Universal and they bought it with

640
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Speaker 1: Tina attached to it as a producer and potentially to

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Speaker 1: be in it. And so I wrote that that's in

642
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Speaker 1: the work that we're waiting to find out all the

643
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: finals on you know, on that what's happening with that.

644
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: It's it's um, it's been you know, gone through three

645
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: rites and all that. So I'm excited about that about

646
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: two sisters. And then Judd and I just wrote a movie,

647
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: and then last summer I worked on my first full

648
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: movie experience with This is forty. I was the executive

649
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: producer on That is horrible. But do you ever wonder

650
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: what it would be like if you your wife were

651
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: separated by something bigger death like her death? I have

652
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: given it a fair amount of thought, not any painful way,

653
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: which is like a gentle floating off. It's got to

654
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: be peaceful. I mean, this is the mother of your children.

655
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: And then the new wife would be great. God, I

656
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: can't wait to meet my second wife. I hope she

657
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: likes me better than this one. I've finally kind of

658
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: gotten my foothold in the movie thing now and it's

659
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: like really fun. I really love it. I mean, it's

660
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: a lot of it's a lot of waiting around for

661
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,719
Speaker 1: news on things. It's a lot of you know, I

662
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: can't plan anything because you don't know what your next

663
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: year is going to be. But so beautiful to be

664
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: able to work at home with my animals and d

665
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: and just like to be our home buddy, aren't you Well?

666
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: You always come back to the same thing when I've

667
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: spoken to you. I was despondent when you left, because

668
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: you know, you were such a great You're such a

669
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: great writer. You're one of my favorite writers of all times.

670
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: You're so funny. No, but I really mean that, and

671
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: you and then when you left and you said the

672
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: same that you like. I just want to go home

673
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: to d and my animals, animal animal. I want to

674
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: go live the lesbian life. I want to be on

675
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: a lesbian fire. I want to wear my dance go Clag's.

676
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: I want to get a mag light and go under

677
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: a dumpster and get some feral cats out of there.

678
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: I have a horse up there, I have, you know,

679
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: just it's so beautiful and inexpensive up there at the

680
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 1: Hudson Valley. It's like the amazing place. But also, um,

681
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: just I'm realizing to just the finite amount of time,

682
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've spent more time since I've been

683
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: doing the movie stuff the last two years, I've spent

684
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 1: more time with my family. I've been down in Florida

685
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 1: a lot to visit them. It's just feeling so much

686
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: better for me. And also, I love like Lauren whenever

687
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm there. I did the Louis c. K Show and

688
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: I'm doing this next to here, and um, and you know,

689
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: Lauren will say to me, it's still fun, right, it's fun.

690
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: You had fun, And I go, oh my god, it

691
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: it's amazing. But if I did it all the time now,

692
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: I would be like a you know, a bitter hay

693
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: because I just feel like I wasn't having time or

694
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: energy to do other things. And also everyone is is

695
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 1: very young. I mean my nieces and nephews I saw

696
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: delivered out of my sister's uh the gene and they're

697
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: in their mid twenties, and ones of physicians assistant ones.

698
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I've named myself at SNL Nanny sn L

699
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: because I'll sit at the real rate table, like what

700
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: isn't the name of that where's that detective on television?

701
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: I'm like my grandpa, Oh my god, Grandpa. They'll kN

702
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: on the door and super ready and like Grandpa will

703
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: be right there. It'll be right there. God damn it.

704
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: But if you have a good night there, you feel

705
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: like you're twenty again. I mean, you know, if you

706
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: have a night where you feel like I mean, last

707
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: week I had a really fun Scotch I wrote with

708
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: Kate McKinnon for her and Louis c. K and it

709
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: was funny and dirty and where they were at last

710
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: call at a bar and they're just trying to find

711
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: common ground because they know they're the only two people left.

712
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: So they're like, wait, you're from Arizona. Oh my god,

713
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: I'm from northern California. That's crazy, and I'm they were.

714
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: They made out in the most disgusting, face eating way

715
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: you could ever imagine. And uh, I just went home

716
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: on that old school SNL high, just a whole high,

717
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: you know, like the whole weekend, just bouncing off the walls.

718
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: And then you start going, maybe I could do this

719
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: all the time. I got I'm gonna do it. I

720
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: would leave there on after a good show. I think

721
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: there's I'm gonna be a cast. Addition, I'll do even

722
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: even odd shows like the Gas No Twitter, You're on

723
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: Twitter on my Twitter, You're you kill me on Twitter?

724
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: Thank you? Talk about like I was laying on a

725
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: bed and I was having a great time and I

726
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: was eating sacks and I was really cozy and everything

727
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,439
Speaker 1: was just I felt so great, and then security guard

728
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: came up. You target is closed. Man, It's like the

729
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: Tony Ben routine. People always really respond to my target tweets.

730
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: Twitter is just another form for you. Twitter is really

731
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: I got very addicted to it just because it's so

732
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: simple and it's like a video game for comedy writers

733
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: to just do a one liner about something. And I

734
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: started doing these hey young girl tweets and I might

735
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: do a little book of them, maybe um an illustrated.

736
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 1: You know, my nieces. I just used to drive them

737
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 1: insane when they were growing up, because I was, hey,

738
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: young girls, keep your boobs in your shirt, you're button

739
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: your pants, your eyes on your dreams, your head in

740
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: the cloud. You know, like you also say the thing

741
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: about you know if the guy does this. Yeah, remember

742
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: the hey young girls stuff just came out of my

743
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: nieces because I would bring them to tests and l

744
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: and they were just these dropped to gorgeous girls and

745
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: they would have people I'm not talking about people just

746
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: checking them out, but like at if I brought them

747
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: backstage or whatever, there'd be some some dude that would

748
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: just end up coming up and saying, you know, really

749
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: aggressive checking them out. And so they still imitate me

750
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: how I would grab them with my meaty, polish firm

751
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: wife arm and go, she's farting. You want to talk

752
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 1: about it? I mean I would just become this raving

753
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: crazy woman looking at them like get you know, and

754
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 1: so I always i'd always be like, are your sexually active.

755
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: I would always want to know all their details and everything,

756
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: like a character out of a rock huts and yeah,

757
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: the chaperone, Yeah, and the chaperone. That's that's uh all

758
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: storrying my son away from the hoogie dancers. You know, um,

759
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: you're a woman, and you're a woman in comedy, and

760
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: comedy has changed a lot over the last forty years.

761
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: But I you know, I feel like it's changed a

762
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: lot over the last fifteen years. It's even more You've

763
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: got people who were much more you know, they're just

764
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: like the guys I mean, Sarah Silverman and people who

765
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: are much more in living color. If you will, I

766
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you, you know, your assessment of that,

767
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 1: how that's changed for women over your career. And also

768
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: do you think that there's like certain glass ceilings still,

769
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: like on late night comedy shows, like do you think

770
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: they'll ever replace Letterman? Or like can a woman do

771
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: that job? Because you have women hosting daytime shows and

772
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: no one's on during the day, but the big three

773
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,959
Speaker 1: of the networks they don't have a woman doing that show.

774
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: Do you think that will ever change? I don't know.

775
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: I mean, it's you know, I remember that era, we're

776
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: a couple of them were doing it, Joan Rivers and

777
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: different people were trying it and they were you know,

778
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: they were all and ups. But they had been around

779
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: for a long time, but not lately. So I feel

780
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: like now a lot of those young funny girls are

781
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: either getting their own show, you know, doing a show,

782
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: a television show, but not a talk show, you know.

783
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: I mean Jimmy, he's such a fan of everyone and

784
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: so enthusiastic and joyful about music and everything that that

785
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: was like a perfect fit for him and hilarious. So

786
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: he worked out so great for that. But I think

787
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: with women it's also sometimes hard at s and L

788
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: Like with auditions now, where you go, well, you see

789
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: people and you go where where are a lot of

790
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: the super funny you know, super funny women and you

791
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: know they're around, you know they exist, but a lot

792
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: of them do they they are young, and they they're

793
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: aggressively getting their own shows and stuff like that. The

794
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: second year I was at SNL, second or third, I

795
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: remember having an agent say to me, um, yeah, we

796
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: gotta get you, uh you know, we gotta get a

797
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: game plan for you and get you know, so you

798
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: can get get out of here and and get a

799
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: get a show going on. All that I remember thinking

800
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: talking about, like, what are you talking about? You know,

801
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: this is like the dream job. So but I think

802
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: I think for women it's just like I've always said

803
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: about us, and now it's like the funny rises to

804
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: the top with it. And if somebody's super funny and

805
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: has abandoned and enjoy and they're not trying, you know,

806
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: I don't like ever with a comedy person them acting

807
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: like someone else or acting dirty just to be funny.

808
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm the filthiest person on earth. But if it's not

809
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: funny dirty, if I'm not being funny nobody, you know,

810
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: then forget it, because there's got to be some class

811
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: to my. To my all of a joke does not

812
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 1: have a class to it to, then forget it. But

813
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: you know, for a while, they're some auditions I would

814
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: watch where girls would come out and just try to

815
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: just sex it up and be funny and dirty, you know,

816
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: and it's like it's funny. You feel like not all

817
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: of them, certainly, but enough of them. They go out

818
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: in front of a camera, a lot of them in

819
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: the comedy world, and they think feel like, well, I

820
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: don't want to go too far over this song because

821
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to lose this oven thing. I really

822
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: would like to kiss Leo in a movie, right, I

823
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 1: want to be as much. You don't want to see

824
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: anyone thinking too hard while they're you know, the the

825
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: greatest auditions at SNL were people that came in purely

826
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 1: as themselves, came in did a bunch of craziest characters

827
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 1: and you just went, this is a force of nature.

828
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: What is this? What is this human? Like? They were

829
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: making me laugh so hard and I don't even know

830
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: what where they're getting it from. When when women have

831
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: that the condition though, where it's like it's like they

832
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: sit there and they you know, I mean I've seen

833
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: women who they would make fun of actresses, I mean

834
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: a comedy Yeah, they would just tear apart. They would

835
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: laceerate actresses who they thought were leaning too much on

836
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: the sex button. And then those comedy actresses became stars

837
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: and they popped another button and they put the makeup

838
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: on their cleavage and they were like and they were

839
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: just like they were camera ready. I mean, they became

840
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: the thing they made fun of. Yeah, and you and

841
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: you realize for women, that's a tough angle, you know,

842
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: comedy and comedy girls tended to grow up being the

843
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: goofy looking you know, the goofy looking ones that weren't

844
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: getting the attention that way. So when they become famous

845
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: and have a lot of my me and people putting

846
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: beautiful dresses on them, I think they go They do

847
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: go that way, you know. I mean, I've got a

848
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: lot of pretty sparkly pants suits I wear to the

849
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: Emmy's now, and I really get up my own ass

850
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: on it because Paula Pell will soon be stepping out

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Speaker 1: is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the Thing