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Speaker 1: So well, hey, look he immediately had an immediate recall

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Speaker 2: Well, the Carroll County Sheriff's Department on the scene within minutes,

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Speaker 2: To any of this stuff happening, Jamie Brock actually was

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well I got to tell you I've seen

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Speaker 1: This is no mansion. I can't imagine that this thing

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Speaker 1: So you're in a confined space, you've got this weapon

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Speaker 1: And we don't know. We know that the child has

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Speaker 1: saying that that was the condition of the interior of

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00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: their house. What I'm saying, is this lock in particular,

432
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: or this door, if it is compromised in some way,

433
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: maybe it's been like that for a long long time.

434
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. Did somebody jimmy the lock in some way?

435
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: Did somebody arrange it so that they could get access

436
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: to it? How easy is it to defeat this lock?

437
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: Did they commonly leave it locked? Or did they commonly

438
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: leave it open?

439
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 3: You know?

440
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: What's the old adage about? Yeah, well, I remember growing

441
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: up in a place where we always kept the doors unlocked,

442
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 1: you know, so it's hard to stay you know, now

443
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: what may have been the status of that door. But

444
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: there's a lot of evidence at the scene in regards

445
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: to the door. Also the idea of going back into

446
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: the bedroom and the they're talking about multiple gunshot woundes,

447
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: so that means we've got multiple casings. There's going to

448
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: be casings everywhere at the scene, and their distribution doesn't

449
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: really play into this because you can't predict casing is

450
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: going to bounce. What's going to be interesting is to

451
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: try to understand the trajectory of the rounds. But the casings.

452
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: The casings can in fact give you an indication of

453
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: obviously the caliber of the weapon. The projectiles can give

454
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: you a ballistic fingerprint about the weapon. But here's the problem.

455
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: At this point, there ain't no weapon, Dave. One of

456
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: the more troubling as if there's not a lot already,

457
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: one of the more troubling aspects of this case is

458
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: that they allegedly have not found a weapon. And my

459
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: thought was this ought to be easy. When I first

460
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: heard about the case, and before I knew that bit,

461
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: my thought was, well, this is a sixteen year old.

462
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: They're accusing her, They're saying she did it. How does

463
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: a sixteen year old get access to the semi automatic handgun? Now,

464
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: I know it happens all over the place, but that's

465
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: a big reveal. It's not like a sixteen year old

466
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: is going to walk into a gun store and say, yeah,

467
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: I want that pink nine milimeter that you have there,

468
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, because those do exist. They I've also seen

469
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: them in turquoise. You can get turquoise non milimeters. Come on,

470
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: that's there, you go. But you know, that's a big

471
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: piece that when you agree, Dave, it's like, how do

472
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: you get access to this? And so I'm always thinking,

473
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: you know, is it a familial connection? Did the family

474
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: keep guns inside the house. My understanding is that, as

475
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: much as I hate to say this, I think dad

476
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: was convicted fell I don't think he could have weapons.

477
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 3: Is that correct? Yeah? And that's fun.

478
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: I was talking earlier about our past, you know, and

479
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: many of us make decisions as we grow up that

480
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: don't necessarily reflect the person we are now, but cause

481
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: us problems. It happens, and so I go to the

482
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: I go to this end of it. We're in an

483
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: area in the southeastern part of the United States of

484
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: America where having guns is not that big of a deal,

485
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: and almost all of us have guns, but we have areas.

486
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: I mean, we live in a rural environment, our most

487
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: congested area. For people who live in Chicago, New York, LA.

488
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: You know, our most congested area is your most rural area. Okay,

489
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: it's really a different lifestyle. So guns to me are

490
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: just different that were raised around them. Now I have

491
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: a question for you, though, Joe, and we've got a

492
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 2: couple of them, because during the holidays, you've been on

493
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: Fox News and you have been quoted as saying talking

494
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: about the world of digital forensics and how it plays

495
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: into solving crimes. And there are a couple of things

496
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: here about this case that I'm hoping you can delve

497
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: into for me because Sarah grayce Patrick sixteen years old

498
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: at the time of this now seventeen, spends a lot

499
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: of time on social media, specifically TikTok, and she has

500
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: posted a lot of information beyond that. We also have

501
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: a real red flag from her eulogy in the days

502
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: after the murders took place. And there's something else I

503
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: have to ask you, though, We'll come to those, all Right.

504
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: At the crime scene, you've got two dead bodies in

505
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,719
Speaker 2: a bed. So the assumption I make is that they

506
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: were asleep when they were shot. I'm making that assumption

507
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: only because they said, they being law enforcement, said they

508
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: were found in the bed. We know that Jamie Brock

509
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: is mechanically tied to the ELVAD for his heart, so

510
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: if somebody were to come in and kill them, we

511
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 2: know that it was sometime between the time the little

512
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: girl went to bed that night before and the time

513
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: she wakes up the next morning too. About the five

514
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: year old who found them in that area here and

515
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: they were cold to the touch. Yes, according to Sarah

516
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: Grace Patrick on the nine one one call, all right,

517
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: they're found in bed shot to death. You mentioned trying

518
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: to find the angle of bullets, to the trajectory of

519
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: the bullets and figuring this out. But Joe, if somebody's

520
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: laying in bed on their side and they are shot,

521
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 2: causing their body to move. So I'm laying on my

522
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: right hand side, left towards the ceiling, and I get

523
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: shot in the chest and it rolls me over and

524
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: I get shot again, and now it hits me in

525
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: the chest. You know, how are you going to determine

526
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: a which one will came first and the trajectory Where

527
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 2: was the shooter standing?

528
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Okay, that's an I didn't see that coming.

529
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: That's an excellent question. Trajectory itself is well, first off,

530
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: let's go to order. You can't. You can't tell order.

531
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: There's no way you can't tell order with gunshot wounds,

532
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: with with sad ones, you just can't. I mean, I

533
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 1: think that people think that we can, but we really can't.

534
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 3: We're fascinated with that too, Yeah, we.

535
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: Really are, because people want to know, you know, particularly

536
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: if you've got multiple gunshot wounds and you've got because

537
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: in autopsy report, when you read the autopsy report or

538
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: they'll lay it out pretty succinctly, not in the in

539
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: the listing, like the actual granular listing of the gunshot wounds,

540
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: but they'll go if you look at the cause of death,

541
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: they will state in the cause of death most of

542
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: the time, depending upon how thorough the forensic pathologists is

543
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: which gunshot wound is actually the coup to gras, okay,

544
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: the fatal one, you know. Now. Trajectory that's interesting because

545
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: it's rather it's very dynamic, not as dynamic in a

546
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: bed as it is say, for instance, out on the

547
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: street if somebody's kind of dancing and you've got somebody

548
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: walking around doing what's called slicing the pie which is

549
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: where you're firing and you're having to it's not really

550
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: slicing the pie, but you're you're having to adjust because

551
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: people don't stay static mostly and if they see a weapon,

552
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: they're going to duck and all this stuff, and how

553
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: much of a reaction would there have been with them,

554
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: because I've seen people that take the first shot and

555
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: they don't move from that position. They'll get shot in

556
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: the chest, they'll get shot in the head, and then

557
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 1: subsequent you know, rounds are fired into their body. What's

558
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: really interesting is you can actually kind of see movement

559
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: of a body if you've got like when you put

560
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: the trajectory rods through the gunshot wounds, you can see

561
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: I've seen cases where we've used rods where people look

562
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: like porcupines, you know, where literally you've got multiple rods

563
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: sticking out of the body and you look at this

564
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: and you think, oh my lord, this is really really

565
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: intensely dynamic. You know, person's moving about or the perpetrator

566
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: is moving about. The other interesting thing, too, is the

567
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: height ratio. Okay, you know, when you begin to think

568
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: if you've got some towering dude that walks in, Okay,

569
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: you've got some big burly guy that's you know, six six',

570
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: two all, right and he's holding a weapon and he

571
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: fires into somebody that's lying in front of. Him that

572
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: that relationship is completely different than a sixteen year old.

573
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: Girl and forgive, ME i don't know her. Height let's

574
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: just say she's five to. Four you, know that kind

575
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: of skews skews from what you would think with a grown. Man,

576
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: Okay So i'd like to know when THE, gbi AND

577
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: i think that if you were asking me who handled

578
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: it at the, Scene i'd say THE gbi responded out,

579
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: There probably The Georgia bureau Of investigation and their crime

580
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: scene reconstructionists came out, there and they would have painstakingly

581
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: gone through that case with a fine tooth, comb pulling,

582
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: trajectories taking a look at the position of the. Bodies

583
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: these bodies probably would not have been removed from the

584
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: scene real quickly because when they see, This, DAVE i

585
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: can tell you the, investigators when they see, this they're

586
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: going to. Think they're going to think this is so

587
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: far out of bounds that we've really got to take

588
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: our time with. This this is an execution style. Event

589
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: and they're also they're knowing they're going to have to

590
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: watch their p's and q's with. THIS i would think

591
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: that the level of intensity out there to collective and.

592
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: Not we have to understand that when you've got two people,

593
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: dead it's not one. Case if you look at it

594
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: from the perspective of lives being. Taken you've got two separate. Cases.

595
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 1: Here now it's the same, event but you've got two separate.

596
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: Cases you, know you've got to count, here and you've

597
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: got to count here and, so and then you compile

598
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 1: all this and you have to. Worry it gets, really really.

599
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: Complex the more bodies you add on to this, thing

600
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: the more. Complex that's why you, know if we have

601
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: like a mass shooting, event, okay people think, that well

602
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 1: you got a mass, shooting just walk in and he's.

603
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: No every dead body that you have that's an individual

604
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: count and you have to, well you have to give

605
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: them their. Due you, know everybody's equal under the, law.

606
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: RIGHT i remember you pleading it to, me AND i

607
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: was shocked at the amount of. Work And i'm not

608
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: diminishing anything about the human beings associated with a mass,

609
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: fatality BUT i remember you were talking about one In

610
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: birmingham and you were talking about the number of casualties

611
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 2: and the number of cases and the number of because

612
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: you've got to know where did this person, die when

613
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: did they, die how did they, Die and it's not

614
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: just that, one but it's everybody. Else and in this,

615
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: case we do have two people dead in the, bed

616
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: but we don't. Know we don't have enough information, yet we.

617
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: Don't you AND, i, well it would, Seem, dave that

618
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: according to what you had said, earlier we do have

619
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: some information or we have some insight into what was

620
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: going on With Sarah Grace patrick relative to her.

621
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 2: Electronics, man you, know it's interesting that in the time

622
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 2: AFTER i remember this happened In, february and between the

623
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: time of the double homicide and the time That Sarah

624
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: Grayce patrick was, arrested it was, Months, joe it wasn't. Days,

625
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: months and it was an unsolved double. Homicide And Sarah Grace, patrick,

626
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: well first things, first at the funeral, service the celebration

627
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: of life or whatever you want to call, It Sarah

628
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: Grace patrick delivered a very long. Eulogy and this is

629
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: not a videotaped presentation like many are these, days BUT

630
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: i did see it because somebody at the funeral actually

631
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: got a video on their cell phone Of sarah Grayce

632
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: patrick's eulogy And i'm going to tell you. What man

633
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: watching it multiple times and then looking at the reaction

634
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: of family, members this eulogy is a huge red.

635
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 3: Flag.

636
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: Joe you KNOW i Mentioned Christa, Douda Kristen, douda or

637
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: the niece Of. Jamie she sat in the front road

638
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 2: during the service and says that even Though Sarah Grace

639
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: patrick sounds like she's crying during the course of this,

640
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 2: eulogy very long, eulogy there are no. Tears sounds like

641
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 2: it sounds like she's, crying but there are no. Tears

642
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: and then Then Joseph Scott morgan at the, end she,

643
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: Says i'm. Sorry, now many people saw that as an

644
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: admission that she was. Sorry she, Says i'm. Sorry, Okay

645
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: NOW i don't know that there could be so many

646
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: things that that would. Mean but here we have is

647
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: this is in the days following the. Murders now we're

648
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 2: talking about as the days go, by there is no

649
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: arrest And sarah Grayce patrick takes to TikTok because, well

650
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 2: there's no attention being placed on this double homicide and

651
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: she's reaching out to people, online she's reaching out to cry,

652
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: people people who do reporting on TikTok and what have,

653
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: you trying to get. Attention she's seeking. Attention Joseph Scott.

654
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: Morgan the now seventeen year Old sarah Grayce patrick doesn't

655
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: want this case to go. Away she needs the, attention

656
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: and that is another red flag for many.

657
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: People, yeah it all depends on often to the world of,

658
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: attorneys it all depends on how you frame. Attention AND

659
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: i can tell you in this, trial this is going

660
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: to be a big issue. HERE i can see it,

661
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: coming you, know fifty miles. Away they're going to look

662
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: at this and they're going to want to, know, well

663
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: she's being the good daughter, here you, know come and

664
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: look at my mom and my stepdad's double. Homicide that's

665
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: not getting. Attention or she, can AS i have, seen

666
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: she can get on social media with a miscarra holding

667
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: down her, face WHICH i never. Understand that's a very personal.

668
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: Thing why do people do. THAT i Don't i've never understood.

669
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: That it's it's your. World you do what you got to.

670
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: Do but just kind of open, weeping you, know, purging you,

671
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: know and there's imagery of her doing, that, well let's

672
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: just say you're trying to set something up to make

673
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: it appear in a particular. Way and nowadays that's easy to,

674
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: do you, know on you, know on on social. Media,

675
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: RIGHT i could go stand in front Of Evander holfield's

676
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: former home over over In, georgia you, know which is,

677
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: massive AND i could, say, yeah this is my. Crib you.

678
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: Know it's, like, no it. Ain't i'm just out here

679
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: with a, camera you. Know and how much more so

680
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: when you get into the detail about this and this

681
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: this weird thing that's going on where she's reaching out to.

682
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 1: People so one of the QUESTIONS i think at trial

683
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: is going to, be, well what does this? MEAN i don't,

684
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: know BUT i do know. THIS i know that social

685
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: media and electronic media are going to play a major

686
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: role in this relative to relative to what she did

687
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: at any particular, time was she having contact with anybody?

688
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: Else and let me tell, YOU i didn't address. THIS

689
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: i completely. Forgot you know what else is going to

690
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: play a role in this that is? Electronic is THAT elvad?

691
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: Machine oh? Wow AND i think the reason is is

692
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: that she had claimed at one point in time she

693
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: heard his alarm going off multiple times through the, night

694
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: WHICH i think this alarm is really. Loud. Wow and

695
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: if this thing is monitoring his heart and he's hooked

696
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: up to, It, dave there's going to be a like

697
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: an electronic footpri as to when his heart stopped. Beating

698
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: let that sink in just for a. Second you talk

699
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: about silent witness to this. Thing that's going to be

700
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: interesting because in the case we might ACTUALLY i guess

701
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: the forensic pathologists can. Testripe but wouldn't it be cool

702
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: if if you had, to if they brought in a

703
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: cardiologist to talk about this? Machine and this is a

704
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: science geek coming out of, me all, RIGHT i know

705
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: that you had a cardiologist, come you, know come and talk,

706
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: about you, know how does an albad? Work and what

707
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: can we actually? Tell can you tell by using this?

708
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: Device can you tell when heart stoppage? Occurs you, know

709
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: when they went into a critical. Mode, oh here's the, Thing.

710
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: Dave can you tell was death's? Sudden you? Know by

711
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 1: virtue of the heart? Rhythm you, know can you see

712
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: where the heart begins to kind of taper off here

713
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: and he finally slips off and. Succumbs isn't that fascinating

714
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: when you think about, that not to mention any kind

715
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: of surveillance video that they have around which they have

716
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 1: alluded to and Heard i've heard investigators or at least

717
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: the press releases that have come, out they're using the

718
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: term mountains of, day mountains of digital. Data but we've

719
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: come into information just this. Morning there's a what's this

720
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: thing called a neuro psychiatric or neuropsychology, report.

721
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: A forensic neuropsychologist, Report and this was part of the

722
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 2: discussion a couple of weeks ago in court when they

723
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: were determining are we set to go for a trial

724
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: On january? Fifth and prosecution and defense attorney said, yes

725
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: except we are waiting on this report from Doctor Robert.

726
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 2: Schaefer Doctor Robert shaffer is a forensic, neuropsychologist and they

727
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 2: were waiting on his report on he Evaluated Sarah gray's

728
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 2: back In, august and they were waiting on this report

729
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 2: to determine whether they could move, Forward. Joe and what

730
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 2: they found out is the contents have not been. Disclosed,

731
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 2: okay we don't know what Doctor schaeffer came up. With

732
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: we have no clue on. That but what we do

733
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: know is that a couple of weeks, ago trials set

734
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: For january, fifth going forward, beginning and then we know

735
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 2: that on the morning Of, Monday january, fifth the report

736
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 2: was then apparently turned over to prosecution and defense at some,

737
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: point and when they got to court On monday the,

738
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 2: fifth they all said, nope we cannot move.

739
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 3: Forward.

740
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 2: Wow and the, judge this judge who, had you, know

741
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 2: really encouraged this fast. Timeline, yeah, yeah sat back and, said,

742
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 2: okay we're going to kick the trial To.

743
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 3: August Holy, joe that's a long.

744
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 2: Time what could this report possibly say that requires eight?

745
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 3: Months, well let's, see it's.

746
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: It's going to mean it's not going to mean that

747
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: much To, well if this guy's doing the, report if

748
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 1: this guy's doing the, assessment he works for the, STATE

749
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: i would, assume, okay the state will have requested, This

750
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: so he's going to be a state. Witness what because

751
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that when you get into the

752
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: area of forensic, psychology a lot of this stuff is highly, Subjective.

753
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: DAVE i know people take exception to, That, okay but

754
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 1: that's just. Reality it's not like you're looking at talks. Results.

755
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: Okay so the defense is going to have to acquire

756
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: their own expert to review, this and they may they may, say,

757
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: okay well we want to bring on our own expert

758
00:48:54,840 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: to do their. Examination so once that, happens then that

759
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 1: person will have to generate a report and gifts where

760
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: that has to go, to that has to go to the.

761
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: Prosecution so you've, got you, know for every for everything

762
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: that that is, done there's a potential for you, know

763
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: the other side to do it as. Well SO i

764
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: think going, forward there'll be more information that's going to come,

765
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 1: out more information they'll be. RELEASED i think That i'm,

766
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: interested obviously in all of the digital. Data i'm interested

767
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: in THIS elvad. MACHINE i never thought i'd i'd hear

768
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: myself saying that in a in a gunfire related. Case

769
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: i'm very interested in the ballistics, Here. DAVE i want

770
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: to know if it's the same. WEAPON i want to

771
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: know more about the. TRAJECTORY i want to know if

772
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: they FOUND i want to know if they found any

773
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: gunshot residue anywhere in that, house how how thoroughly was it,

774
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: examined h and were there any efforts to clean up

775
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: around the house in any way. WHATSOEVER i want to

776
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: know how much of her clothing they took out of that,

777
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 1: house you, know when they did the initial run, through

778
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: what was removed from the, house what did they, collect

779
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: and how much of that stuff has you, know gone

780
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: through the ringer because AND i find it Fascinating dave

781
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: that you, know because most of the time THE gbi

782
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: is sufficient to the. Task it's all self. Contained they've

783
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: got their own state crime lab and all. This but

784
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: the fact that THE fbi is involved in this case is,

785
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: interesting AND i wonder if it's what kind of evidence

786
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: are they dealing? With is this are they there solely

787
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 1: for electronic evidence or is it something? MORE i don't.

788
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: Know time will, Tell and, Look i'm not saying the

789
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: case is actually going to go forward In, august because

790
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: this kind of came out of left field for. Us

791
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: dave AND i started out to tape this today because

792
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: the trial was about to step, Off BUT i got

793
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: to tell, you if they've pushed it out To, august

794
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: you never know with these, things as we see every single,

795
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: day things get pushed all the time in. Courts but

796
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: this is just gigantic. Mystery at this point in. TIME

797
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: i think you've got people that are saying that she

798
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with. This she's got a whole

799
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: group of people out there that are supporting, her even

800
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: WEARING t shirts that say That Sarah Grace patrick is.

801
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: Innocent so we'll see how this develops over the next few.

802
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: Months until, then we'll keep you, posted we'll let you

803
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: know what we, hear and we'll give you our. Insight

804
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott morgan and this is Body.

805
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 2: Backs