WEBVTT - How can hypermiling save you gas? 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.840 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:07.640 It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:16.639 from House Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:19.720 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. With me is Chuck Bryant. 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:25.800 We are podcasting right in the midst of death season. Chuck. Wow, Yeah, 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:29.240 what I don't I don't know big Man, Fara Fawcett, 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:33.720 Michael Jackson, Billy Mays, some impressionist. I don't know that 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:38.159 comedian guy. Yeah, people dropping like flies. Wow. Yeah, I 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.840 feel lucky to be here. I do too. Actually, Chuck, 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:44.120 I'm on vacation. I know you are. Chuck Bryant is 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:48.280 such a world class employee that he actually came in 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:51.599 while on vacation too. Podcasts. This is I'm Freshen from 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:55.800 the airport yep. From wedding in Columbus, Ohio. How was 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:58.520 it my first Catholic wedding? Dude? Those things are awesome? 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:02.880 My first one elnty of wine? Uh yeah, the reception, sure, 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:05.800 but no wine at the at the mass or you 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:08.520 were looking around there there were flasks of wine and 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:11.920 the fews. You believe me. It was long pretty cool though, 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:15.840 I've never experienced that. When everyone started, uh reciting the 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:19.640 things chanting is it called chanting that? I call it chanting? 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:22.360 It freaked me out at first, Yeah, quite honestly because 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.639 I grew up Baptist and there's people don't say anything 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:29.280 out loud in Baptist churches. But it was interesting, definitely 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:31.600 a cool experience to go through. That's you only really 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:34.000 need to do it once. I would agree, you know, 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:35.720 and I doubt if I'll go to a lot more weddings. 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:37.720 So dude, when I was living in Toledo, I probably 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:41.479 spent fifty to seventy hours a week in a Catholic wedding, 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:44.640 series of Catholic weddings. Yeah, columb is pretty cool though. 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:48.800 It's Yeah, Ohio state not bad, Bill Buckeyes. Alright, are 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:52.040 we done? Yes? Okay, what are we talking about today? 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:55.680 We are talking about gas mileage? Oh yes, and how 0:01:55.680 --> 0:02:01.440 it's calculated, right yep, kick us off, chuck. Well, Uh, 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:03.640 something you folks might notice when you go to buy 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:07.680 a car these days, Um, they'll advertise certain gas mileage 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:10.360 and you may not get the gas mileage when you're 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:12.760 driving the car that was on the sticker on the 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:15.600 side of the car. Or on the TV commercial that 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:17.880 was kicking us off. That's a very common thing to 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:22.720 not get the gas mileage that's stated. Well why well, 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:25.600 because well let's let's get into this, all right, let's 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.839 do it, Chucks. So basically, as you stated, pretty much, 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:32.160 God and everybody knows that whatever that says on the 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:35.640 the sticker on the car for the whatever it's miles 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.919 per gallon has been calculated at is vastly more than 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:42.880 what you're actually going to get. And um, it's not 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.680 because the e p A isn't putting cars that it 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:51.600 tests through rigorous experiences, right, it's not because they don't care. No, 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:56.040 as a matter of fact, they don't test almost any 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:58.160 of the cars that come out. That's actually left to 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.840 the auto manufacturers. That was kind of but there. They 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:02.760 submit their findings to the e p A for review, 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:05.560 and then the e p A, I guess, randomly tests 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:09.720 about ten to fift of the new models that are released. Yeah, 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:11.840 a little disappointed. I would have thought the would be 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:13.840 a little more involved than that. You would think so, 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:17.680 but no, not really. They're busy though, busy running around 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:20.720 trying to figure out how to bring super fun sites 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:25.919 back exactly Brown fields um, so chuck. The other I 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:29.520 guess big weirdness that has to do with e p 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:35.120 a UM fuel efficiency calculations is that cars actually don't 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:38.480 ever see the road. True, They're put on what are 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:41.080 they called. It's called a It sounds kind of fantastic. 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:50.120 It's called dynamometer. Nice dynamometer. Dynamometer, dynamo, Yeah, something like 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.800 along those lines. Let's call it a fun machine. Actually, 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:54.440 it's like it's like a treadmill for a car, is 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:56.720 what it is. Right, So the car is actually in 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:00.400 a lab being tested. Uh, and it's kind of like 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:04.640 Ferris Bueller's Day Off exactly, not in reverse, right. Um, 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:07.600 And I guess they have the city They have a 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:12.080 city test, which is what Well, both tests involved a 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:16.360 professional driver, so this Yeah, I wonder if they get paid. Yeah, 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:18.000 that's a good question. Go into the e p A 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:20.200 test drive a car for a few minutes. I wonder 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.720 what everybody gets paid, do you? Oh? Yeah, I'm one 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:26.520 of those guys. So yeah, professional driver gets in, uh 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:30.480 to simulate depending on which which tests city or or highway, 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:35.480 which driving conditions. So the city program, what they do is, uh, 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:38.320 they get in, start the engine cold, and then they 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:42.120 simulate stop and go traffic idling, that kind of thing. 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:46.240 I think. They say eleven miles is how how far 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:50.080 they drive, and they make twenty three stops over the 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.880 course of thirty one minutes. Right, drive an average speed 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.320 of twenty miles an hour and the top speed of 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:59.960 fifty six miles an hour, which is yeah, it seems smart. Yeah, okay, 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.160 all right, and then the highway test, Uh, you start 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:06.200 out with a warm engine, and they drive ten miles 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:08.679 with an average speed of forty eight miles per hour 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:11.280 and a top speed of sixty miles for about twelve 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:13.400 and a half minutes. So let me go ahead and 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:17.760 say sixty top speed of the same for me, pal 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:22.080 bat out of hell. Uh, And I just drive as 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:24.520 fast as I can. And if you are in front 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:27.320 of me in the fast lane and you're not driving 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.200 faster than me, I'm all upon you. You're like the 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:34.599 German's pretty much or Winston Wolf. Yeah yeah, not quite 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:36.360 as fast as that. But well that's because you don't 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:40.119 have a both up that high. No. No, but um okay, 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.280 So these two tests, this seem logical enough. Here's where 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:47.359 things become really illogical and where the discrepancies come from right. 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:50.200 The whole time the e p A is conducting these tests, 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:54.279 or the auto manufacturers conducting the test. Uh, there is 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:59.000 a little sensor jammed in the tail pipe, stuck in there, right, 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.440 like when you go to do the emissions testing. Sure, 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:05.719 and this thing is measuring how much carbon is present 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.960 in the exhaust. Right. So instead of looking at the 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:14.400 tank meter or whatever, the tank meter, what country am 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:16.800 I from the gas gage? Yeah, that would be the 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:18.520 easy way to do it and just divide. But yeah, 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.279 they say it is actually more accurate. It is more accurate. 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:23.160 The thing is is, I mean, do you drive around 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:26.720 with the sensor jamed in your tailpipe? I do not, sir, No, 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:30.640 nor do I very clean person, um, and neither do 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:34.680 most people, right, correct? Um? So this is why when 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:38.320 you go buy a car the miles per gallont calculated 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:44.200 are vastly different. That's not the only problem, right, because 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:48.800 it's in a lab that automatically changes everything everything. Not 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:50.760 only do we not drive around the sensors jammed up 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:55.360 our tailpipes, we also don't drive in laboratories on dynamometers. 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:59.240 And there are many, many differences between a dynamometer and 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.000 a lab on the road. We're gonna lick that word 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:07.400 before this podcast over uh weather. That's that's a big one. 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:12.240 Wind resistance. Most laboratories are indoors, right, different having passengers 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:14.600 in your car, having a roof rack with your stupid 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.960 bike on the back. Weight aerodynamics and that that's that's 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:20.240 really probably the biggest one as far as I'm concerned. 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.840 I mean, think about it. The car is not moving, 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:26.680 it's just the wheels, right, just the wheels, so there's 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:31.840 no drag whatsoever. Like when I'm flying down seventy doing 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:34.680 ninety miles per hour and it's hot out, Um, I've 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.120 got all four of my windows rolled down, and that 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:42.840 just devastates fuel efficiency. Yeah, it completely changes the aerodynamic 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:46.160 characteristics of the car, which revolvers are kind of boxy 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:49.320 to begin with. Um, but yeah, I've noticed my my 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:53.320 gas case just go over like twenty miles. I used 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:55.680 to I used to drive a Plymouth Valiant. Ever tell 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:59.160 you about t my cart? Isn't that the one you 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.720 drove back from l A. Well, I towed it to 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:05.200 l A. It would have you bought it in l A. No, 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:06.920 I bought it here and towed it out there. I've 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:09.080 never heard of this car. Then, well, it's a great car, 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:11.000 but it was one of those old gas guzzlers and 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.640 this thing, literally, dude, if I was accelerating on the highway, 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:16.880 if you looked hard enough, you could see the needle move. Yeah. 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.040 It was bad. It was real bad. The other things 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:21.840 they don't account for, Josh, since we're talking about this 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.440 is uh what they call jack rabbit starts or lead 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.920 foot acceleration because that that will burn up your gas quicker. 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.480 And that's realistic city driving, you know, Oh, definitely. Most 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:38.000 people don't just go they go right, you know, he does, 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:42.360 He does do that. Chris Cox, our coworker, I see 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:44.760 a slow patient driver. Yeah, and I hope you listen 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:49.120 to this. You try, Chris, stay out of the fast Laton. 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:52.520 Another problem with this test, and and I know it 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:54.640 seems like we're saying that there's nothing but problems with 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:58.199 this test, but that's because there isn't. Um is that 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:03.439 it tends to favor or dramatically favor hybrids, right, because 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:06.240 the belief city driving is where the hybrid really gets 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:09.280 the most, almost all electric which is produced zero emission. 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:12.880 And they this they I guess they haven't adjusted the 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.400 formula to account for that. So you know, all of 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:19.840 a sudden the um, you know, some hybrid cars just 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:26.560 getting these incredible miles per gallon ratings when they don't really, Um, 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:30.440 there are some some ways around this. Well, before we 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:32.719 get to that kind of mention, one more thing. These 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.680 are brands spanking new cars that they're driving. Oh yes, 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:39.640 and not only that they've been broken in properly. There's 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.680 actually a way, um, that you're supposed to break in 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:46.160 a car when you first buy one. UM. And I 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:47.920 think it does take place over the course of a 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:51.200 couple of thousand miles. But you you want to drive 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:54.440 I think no more than sixty and then stop it 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:56.880 and it's staggered. There's this whole process to it. It 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.240 could actually probably take up part of a podcast itself. 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:01.360 And I don't know enough about it to go into 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:03.199 it because I've never had a new car. No one 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.800 does that, but that's the way you're supposed to do it. 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:07.839 So apparently the e p A does it. So these 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.360 are brand new cars that have been properly broken in, 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:13.840 and so they get maximum fuel efficiency right, And I 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:15.800 think the point, I guess my original point was if 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:19.719 you I don't remember, you don't maintain your car, and 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.000 a lot of people don't maintain their car like you 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:25.000 probably should. You're gonna get worse gas mileage, right, Plus 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.400 they don't have any of the electrical system running. No 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:32.079 A C. Yeah, well, the tires are perfectly inflated. Basically, 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:34.080 this is like what the e p A thinks everybody 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:37.520 should be driving, and absolutely no one does. Well, they 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:39.640 said they were gonna and we should follow up on this. 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:43.040 They said they were gonna start doing more realistic tests 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:47.120 in the future. And they said that the future. Yeah, 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:49.280 I'm not sure if if that's an effect yet, but 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:50.800 they did say they were going to try and start 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.200 taking some of these more things into account. It's about time, 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:55.920 it is, you know. And just look at the gas 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:58.920 gates like everybody else, no one cares how much carbon 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:04.600 is present in the exhalt save that for the emissions inspection. So, Chuck, 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.360 as I was saying, yes, cheating the e p A. Yeah, 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:09.640 there's some ways to to beat the e PA at 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:12.160 their own game, right, well, beat your beat your car 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.160 its own game or the oil companies. Are you talking 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:18.240 about hyper miling? I am Chuck. You know what that is? 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:21.480 Hyper miling? Yeah, yeah, sure, Okay, well do you know 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:24.880 who coined it? Uh, some dude in Chicago. What's his name? 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.880 Wayne Gerdis, the King of hyper miling. Yeah, I think. 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:30.679 I'm not sure if he won the title or not, 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:33.559 but I think he's the world's most fuel efficient driver. 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:36.679 I think so too. Yeah, and he is dedicated to it, 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:40.640 like I will never hyper mile ever, it just takes 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.920 too much patience and you're slow. You're the slowest driver 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.320 on the road and you're hyper mileing, right, you hyper drive? Thanks, 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:51.400 that's different, but um it, it definitely improves your your 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:56.840 fuel efficiency for sure. Yeah. Let's hear um Edmonds, the 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:00.360 car magazine Edmonds. They didn't experiment, and they found at 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:03.640 hyper miling you can get an extra thirty more per 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:07.120 gallon and that was in a land Rover. Yeah, which 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.800 guzz And apparently if you hyper mile and like a 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:13.439 Toyota Prius, you can bump it up to like a gallon. 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:16.200 They say, Yeah, I saw a picture. There was a 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:19.640 Mother Jones article on Wayne Gurtis, and they had two 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:23.199 shots of these two different dashboards went from a Prius 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:25.640 and I think went from an inside or something like that, 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.120 and these things were clocking like a hundred and fifty 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:31.520 miles per gallon. Man, that's nuts. Yeah, it is nuts. 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.280 And I don't drive I probably, I don't even know. 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:36.080 If I put fifty miles a week on my car, 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:38.800 maybe seventy five miles a week, you could make a 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:40.679 tank of gas last like a year. Like that, I 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:42.800 could if I had a Prius, I should do that. Yeah, 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:46.000 but I have my old Civic and gets decent gas mileage. 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:48.199 But I don't drive enough to invest in a new 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:50.600 car at this point. Well, the cool thing about um 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:52.800 about hyper milings You don't need a new car. You 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.240 can do it with any car. It's merely a series 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:57.480 of techniques. You don't have to go buy anything. You 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:01.439 don't have to do anything except dry. I've pretty conscientiously 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.400 and be aware of what you're doing, like um, accelerating 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:08.360 and breaking too quickly. You were saying, uh that that 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:12.280 was the Edmonds test that was based on taking off 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:14.920 at a red light or just driving up to your 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:16.840 red light and slamming on your brakes. They're both waste 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:20.959 of gas. Um, so too is driving on the highway 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:24.400 without cruise control. Yeah, I didn't realize that they actually 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:28.600 that same test by Edmonds actually vastly improved the fuel 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:30.760 efficiency of the land Rover. And I think they tested 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.240 a Mustang too, But they got the biggest bank for 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:37.720 their buck um using cruise control at seventy on the 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.040 land Rover, Because if you think about it, I mean, 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:44.080 even if you're really paying attention to staying at seventy 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:46.640 miles an hour, it's still based on your foot and 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:50.199 your foot is flawed. It's kind of heavy, clumsy thing. 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:55.640 I know you do. I wasn't gonna bring it up. Um, So, yeah, 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.120 you want to rely on cruise control. Those two things 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:03.040 alone will will really increase your fuel efficiency. Driving at 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.960 lower speeds is a really important thing too. Yeah. Did 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:09.320 it didn't say anywhere with what the ideal speed was. No, 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.080 but I've always heard sixty. Really, I've always heard like 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:15.760 thirty five to forty for like the ultimate gas mileage. 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.920 I'm talking highway, Okay, sure, yeah, you'll get in trouble 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:22.080 if you drive thirty. Now that makes sense then yeah, 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:25.000 I think in the city though, it's thirty, is it? Yeah? Well, 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.000 I know that they used to have much Well, I 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:31.520 guess today's UM posted speed limits back in the early 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:35.720 seventies or late sixties and then because of the oil embargo, 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.160 that's when they were dropped down to fifty five, was 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:40.760 to increase fuel efficiency in cars. And then they've kicked 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.320 it back up because everybody's like, we want to drive 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:45.200 fast again. We don't care about it. We're we're on 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:47.320 the highway to hell anyway. Just let us drive as 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:49.720 fast as we want. That can't drive fifty five crowd 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.960 and uh A C apparently is kind of a big one, 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:59.560 using it at max power, which is decisive, uncompromising and rude. Yeah, 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:01.840 I I don't. My A C doesn't work. As I said, 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.160 I drive down the highway with the windows open, and 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.280 that apparently is way worse than driving with your A 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:11.240 C on because of the drag. And this guy he 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:14.880 also doesn't he coast and cut his engine early if 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:18.520 he's approaching a parking space, so he'll he'll coast the 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:21.960 last whatever, however far he can to to park his car. 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:25.160 And gurtis actually on his site. I think it's clean 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:28.160 MPG dot com. If that's not his site, he writes 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:33.880 heavily for it. Um he answered an age old question 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:37.000 for me. If you are going to be idling for 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:40.720 longer than seven seconds, turn your car off because it 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:43.520 takes about seven seconds worth of gas to turn a 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:47.520 fuel injected car over. He always wondered, Yeah, I've never 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:51.080 heard like an whoever told me? I didn't believe. I 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.680 believe this guy. So if you're sitting like at a 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.280 at a drive through or something, turn the car off. Yeah, 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:58.680 you know that's a great idea. Yeah. And then there's 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:02.560 some slightly more advanced techniques for people who are really 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:06.880 into this patient people like what like ridge riding. I 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.320 don't know that that was actually another term coined by 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:13.400 Gurtis that. Um, I hope i'm saying his last name, right, 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:18.640 I've never met the guy, so okay, um it's where 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:22.200 you hug the far right line solid line of the 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.680 far right lane on the highway. Uh. And one of 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:27.600 the there's You do this for two reasons. One is 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.200 to make yourself really obvious and noticeable the other drivers 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:32.560 so they have an opportunity to pass you early because 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:35.920 you're going Yeah, because I think he drives like fifty 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:42.560 or um So then I was probably wrong about sixty 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:44.760 because this guy is probably gonna drive at the optimal 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:48.000 speed on the highway. Um. So number one, it makes 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:52.240 you obvious because you're not positioned like everybody else. But secondly, 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:56.720 in bad weather, especially rain, you're actually taking yourself out 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.720 of those depressions that have worn into the asphalt with 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:04.520 huddles are forming sure running through through water. Yeah I 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:07.880 didn't realize that. Yeah, definitely, because your your wheels are moving, 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.399 but you're not getting anywhere. Yeah, that makes sense. So 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:13.240 you you've lost traction. You're a hyper miler, Josh, in 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:15.399 a way, I just know a lot about it. Again, 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:18.159 I'll never do it right. Uh. And then probably my 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:24.040 favorite is distant anticipatory focus d a F. Yes. So 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.760 Gerti's basically tries to drive like he doesn't have brakes. 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.160 Oh yeah, okay, he maintains a very slow, steady pace. 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:34.840 So he's looking several lights ahead right to uh to 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:38.359 time his driving to that light. He's trying to accelerate 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:41.359 slowly to to keep in time with these these lights 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:44.000 because he wants nothing but green lights. That makes sense. 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:47.000 He never has to use his brakes. That saves quite 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:48.800 a bit too. Of course, this is the same guy 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.800 who also turns off his ignition and coats into parking spaces. 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.119 So yeah, but that's pretty much hyper miling. I mean 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:58.080 there's actually a lot more to it, taking advantage of 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:01.520 other cars, like using eighteen wheelers to draft off of Yeah, 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.120 well that's a lot of the NASCAR guys hyper mile. 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:05.879 They don't call it that. I don't know what they 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:10.240 call it. Someone probably has that answer, but they Yeah, 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:14.879 during um, the caution when they have like debris on 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:16.959 the track and the pace cars there, Yeah, the little guy, 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:18.840 I'll throw out the caution flag and that means everyone's 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:20.640 got to slow down until they clean all the crowd 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:23.359 off the track, and um, the A lot of the 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:26.080 drivers will cut their engines and coast for a while 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:28.920 and then cut them back on and then cut them again, 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:31.639 and then while they're racing, they will draft. That's a 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:35.080 very popular technique to save fuel because in NASCAR, if 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:39.119 you the fewer stops the better. Sure, obviously, yeah you 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:43.480 Nascar guy, No me neither. I watched it for a while. Remember, 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:47.640 I really love the origin of NASCAR bootlegging. Other than that, 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.360 I'm not really in the NASCAR. My sister in law, Sarah, 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:52.800 who I was just with in Ohio, is big in 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:56.640 the NASCAR, and we always give her hard time. Yeah, 0:18:56.680 --> 0:19:00.480 we call her a bead neck and stuff. Yeah, it's good. Well, um, 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.680 anything about it? No, I mean really until until we 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.119 come up with an alternative fuel source or you know 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.200 standard hundred mile an hour or hundred miles per gallon 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:14.720 uh cars. It's a good idea hyper mile yeah we 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:17.199 should say, though, I think exercise some caution if you 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:19.840 want to try this stuff out, because you know some cars, 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:21.600 if you turn the key off, don't turn all the 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:23.320 way off because you're steering. Roo whe will walk up. 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:25.560 It's a good point. And I think sometimes the air 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:28.640 brakes are activated when you start the car, right yeah, 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:30.920 so I think you want to keep keep it set 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:33.359 to ignition or start keep it set to the on 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:36.919 position so you can still run your radio. No, so 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:39.679 you still see lights on the dashboard, right yeah, So 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:41.600 just just be careful if you want to try some 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:45.000 experimentation here. You were really good at c O A buddy. Well, 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:47.280 I could see somebody have any idea how many times 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:49.840 we would have been suedere not for you? And just 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:52.359 my mind's eye had just pictured someone saying Josh and 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:54.800 Chuck said to cut my engine, and all of a sudden, 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:56.720 like who is this Josh and Chuck, they go to 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:59.160 pull into the car to the parking space and they're 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:02.120 steering wheel lock sup and have a record six miles 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:05.720 an hour. Well good, all right, that's hyper miling. And 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:07.920 e p A. Well, we'll keep an eye out to 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:09.520 see if the e p A actually does do any 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:14.639 real world testing. Good idea. Let's se listener mail, I 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:20.200 think so okay, nowhere to go, but up right, Josh, 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:23.399 we are going to call this what was in my 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:28.320 inbox before I came in listener mail. Awesome, that's a secret. Actually, 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:30.000 I shouldn't ever revealed that the good way to get 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:32.560 a listener mails to email me the day we record. 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:36.440 It's not a secret anymore. This is about the Peter principal. 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:40.120 Remember we did a podcast about the fact that many 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:44.000 companies will not demote somebody, that will just fire somebody 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:47.639 if they're incompetent. And this is from Jennifer and she 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:52.200 says that she worked for the same company, has still 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:54.880 working there for five or six years, and last November 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:56.919 she was worked her way up to the top of 0:20:57.280 --> 0:21:01.719 sales support and she was kicked down to reception instead 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:05.160 of fired. And she was told about her new job 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:07.520 and said that she was getting the demotion because she 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:10.600 was the weakest person on the team and a little harsh, 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:13.600 I thought so. And she asked him during the meeting 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:16.320 why didn't they just fire her? And they said because 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:19.640 she was still a very important part of the teams. 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:23.960 It's the worst part of the team. Exactly, very important 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:27.320 part of our team, but the worst part. Don't forget that, uh. 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:29.919 And she said that um, her pay didn't change, so 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:34.119 she's actually a very high paid receptionist and um actually 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:36.119 makes more than a lot of people on the sales 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:38.639 team now at the reception desk, which I'll bet the 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:40.960 sales team just loves. And we actually did have someone 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:44.000 else emailed another company that said that they practiced this 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:47.840 as well. Well, that's fantastic. Two out of several hundred thousand, Yeah, 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:50.119