Speaker 1: What's going on? Everybody. Welcome into Fantasy Pros. This is
Speaker 1: the Fantasy Baseball Podcast. I'm your host, Joe Rico, and
Speaker 1: today we are starting up a very exciting series ADP battles.
Speaker 1: I know that you guys get into draft rooms. Sould
Speaker 1: I select player A? Should I select player B? It's
Speaker 1: always a bit of a question. So today we're getting
Speaker 1: it started off with starting pitchers, and I don't think
Speaker 1: there's anybody better that we could have brought on than
Speaker 1: Nick Pollock and Inosarus. Here as we are going to
Speaker 1: be breaking down ten different starting pitcher debates. Fellas. I
Speaker 1: really appreciate you making the time today. How's it going.
Speaker 2: It's great. Yeah, it's good to see Joe. We love
Speaker 2: this podcast. We've done it in multiple years. I think
Speaker 2: with you now so and you're the reason why we
Speaker 2: have the craft. So thank you appreciate.
Speaker 1: I'm a co parent. I guess there's one out of
Speaker 1: the I don't know how you'd want to put me
Speaker 1: in the custody agreement there, but yeah, a conversation a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago at First Pitch Arizona walking down
Speaker 1: a hallway with Eno. After we've had a couple of
Speaker 1: beers talking about podcasts, and there you go. Theft the
Speaker 1: craft exists now, so I'm taking some credit for that
Speaker 1: at least. EMO. Thank you so much for hopping on today. Man,
Speaker 1: how you doing, no problem?
Speaker 3: This is my favorite time of the year. I'm in
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm probably on the clock. I'm in
Speaker 3: like three slow drafts at the same time right now.
Speaker 2: We'll make a big live on the stream. It'd be great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I will.
Speaker 1: Maybe it'll be slow drafts, quick drafts. There's I got
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. We got tout wars tomorrow, there's
Speaker 1: an auction on Thursday. There's all kinds of stuff going
Speaker 1: on right now. And I know you guys are also
Speaker 1: getting ready for your drafts. So we are going to
Speaker 1: be breaking down a lot of starting pitcher battles today.
Speaker 1: I'm using Yahoo ADP, but these are also very close
Speaker 1: on a lot of different sites, but Yahoo is probably
Speaker 1: the most popular one, so we're picking from there. But
Speaker 1: I think these will apply regardless of where you are playing.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna get start off with kind of a
Speaker 1: hot one and it's gonna be those two pitchers who
Speaker 1: are going in and around the first round, and there
Speaker 1: will be some people who say I'm not taking a
Speaker 1: picture in the first round one way or another. There
Speaker 1: will be some people who say, whatever happens, I'm leaving
Speaker 1: with an ace in those first twelve or fifteen picks.
Speaker 1: So for those people, you know, we'll start with you.
Speaker 1: They're on the clock. Let's say it's pick thirteen fourteen,
Speaker 1: and you got Tarique Schooble and you got Paul Schmes
Speaker 1: up there. Who are you choosing from if you are
Speaker 1: going to take a picture in that range.
Speaker 3: Mmm, I'm going fal Skiens. Dude, I'm going false Skins.
Speaker 3: I don't, don't. It's really hard to make a decision
Speaker 3: between those two. I do think there's a little whiff
Speaker 3: of more health risk with Terry Skoogle. You're talking about
Speaker 3: two significant arm injuries that he's undergone in the last
Speaker 3: four or five years, and he has these kind of
Speaker 3: cross body mechanics that he fights, and he's always trying
Speaker 3: to not be his crossbody. And I don't know if
Speaker 3: that if that's the source of it, of some of it,
Speaker 3: or if you just throw that was really hard, you know.
Speaker 3: That's the other aspect of it is he throws really hard.
Speaker 3: He does have like a decent gap between. You know,
Speaker 3: he's kind of one of those guys who saved something
Speaker 3: in the tank and he like maxes out at like
Speaker 3: ninety nine, but it kind of sits ninety six, which
Speaker 3: is good. But and he seems like he's super healthy
Speaker 3: right now. But I that's where I ended up kind
Speaker 3: of because I think both of them in terms of
Speaker 3: arsenal's below strikeout rates. You know, situations home parks even
Speaker 3: are in ideal landing spots.
Speaker 1: Nick, you agree or you have a different opinion.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go with scooball and it's just more
Speaker 2: for pitchability, for I trust his scoobl if I'm going
Speaker 2: for the first pitch on the draft as someone's just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know that you have a full arsenal to be
Speaker 2: able to get through anything that you've showcased that you
Speaker 2: can go six seven innings in games and be that
Speaker 2: workers already. And what's actually really interesting at pol skiings
Speaker 2: like we will watch him he go, oh yeah, this
Speaker 2: guy should be like a thirty five percent strikeout easy,
Speaker 2: no problem. You might be surprised to see that. Plv
Speaker 2: our projections here pitchro List have him in a sub
Speaker 2: thirty percent strike out rate, and I think that's because
Speaker 2: the forcinger doesn't get a ton of whiffs. It's more
Speaker 2: about horizontal movement surprize on that forcingers then actually allows
Speaker 2: for more contact on it when they're laid on, it
Speaker 2: kind of goes back towards the handle, which is great,
Speaker 2: good outs, but it's not actually the big strike up
Speaker 2: pitch that's a splinker really for Paul Skins and without
Speaker 2: I don't know, it doesn't have an absurd whiff slider right,
Speaker 2: it's good, but it's not this like, okay, cool, wait
Speaker 2: for this Dylancy slider coming. It doesn't make the full
Speaker 2: package quite yet for Paul Skins to say that, yes,
Speaker 2: this is clearly going to be a thirty five percent
Speaker 2: strike ouery guy. And then yeah, Scooble, I think is
Speaker 2: just more of a complete thing that I feel. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is my SP one. I'm going to be totally
Speaker 2: fine with us.
Speaker 1: SP one and SP two for both of you guys though,
Speaker 1: or is there really Nick?
Speaker 2: Where's number two? For me?
Speaker 1: Come on?
Speaker 2: Every want to watch them in spring? That game, I
Speaker 2: was just like, this is yeah, it's just dumb. He's
Speaker 2: just dumb.
Speaker 1: We're going to get to Garrett Crochet later he is
Speaker 1: one of my favorites, top five guy for me. But
Speaker 1: that is something that I think you're differing from a
Speaker 1: lot of the industry on there, going with Crochet at
Speaker 1: number two. But I love it. I love it, don't.
Speaker 2: I don't listen to the industry. I am the industry
Speaker 2: and I'm just kidding. I just I don't let it
Speaker 2: get biased.
Speaker 1: That's the way to do it. You know, if you're
Speaker 1: going to do your own rankings, it's good to not
Speaker 1: look at anybody else's, put your own down and then
Speaker 1: maybe look at other people's after see if you're way
Speaker 1: too high, way too low on a guy. But that
Speaker 1: is the way to do it. And you know you
Speaker 1: mentioned Garret Crochet. Let's jump right into that battle. We
Speaker 1: got a couple of former White Sox, then move to
Speaker 1: Red Sox, big Lefties. There's some comparisons here. I've heard
Speaker 1: Garrett Crochet refer to as Chris sale Light in some aspects,
Speaker 1: and they are going Nick looks a little bit of
Speaker 1: Paul there. We'll let I'm talk in a second. But
Speaker 1: big Lefty. I think that's where it comes from White
Speaker 1: Sox to Red Sox. I think that it doesn't go
Speaker 1: too much farther than that, but they're both going right
Speaker 1: around the same adp of thirty eight or thirty nine. Nick,
Speaker 1: we'll start with you on this one. What do you
Speaker 1: think about that? Com First of all, do you have
Speaker 1: a preference between the two of them this year? I
Speaker 1: guess you do.
Speaker 2: I mean, I understand it going from the White Sox,
Speaker 2: the Red Sox, lefties, dominant aces, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Untally get it. But what Garrick Crochet does is I'd
Speaker 2: like to draft pictures who you can just throw fastballs
Speaker 2: for strikes and guys can't hit them, Like that's yours.
Speaker 2: The stablest floor you could possibly owe for is, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the guy's just gonna throw the fastballs and like, well,
Speaker 2: I can't do that. And then he has a cutter
Speaker 2: off of that that looks just similar to it, and
Speaker 2: that was amazing just as a two pitch pitcher last year.
Speaker 2: And then he had the sweeper moved away from the
Speaker 2: traditional slider that was effective for him. He's also having
Speaker 2: the sinker now that is phenomenal against lefties. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just he's dumb as a pitcher and I feel
Speaker 2: like he should just strike out ten guys every single
Speaker 2: time he pitch is better situation now in Boston. I
Speaker 2: would even argue that those I want to say that
Speaker 2: Fenway is worse and it's a bad place to pitch. Sure,
Speaker 2: but my understanding is that it should actually turn a
Speaker 2: lot of it's the left field that might be home
Speaker 2: runs into doubles. And when you talk about guys, especially
Speaker 2: at this kind of a level, what are the ways
Speaker 2: that they actually have a bad year Ray, It's not
Speaker 2: the doubles that burn them, it's the home runs. So
Speaker 2: there's some sort of suppression going on for home runs
Speaker 2: for greater Crochet. That's a good thing in my view,
Speaker 2: because then now they're on second, I'll just right on
Speaker 2: the next guy. I love Garrett Crochet. I really can't
Speaker 2: express this enough. It's such a fantastic season in a
Speaker 2: runway for him to just be the sp one and fantasy.
Speaker 1: You know, we've talked, I believe on the show last year,
Speaker 1: and I think it was in the Nick Paveta context
Speaker 1: about how Fenway is a weird park to pitch, and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of pitchers who don't love it.
Speaker 2: Necessarily.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit weird from a couple of different aspects,
Speaker 1: it's pretty unique park, and you concern on your part
Speaker 1: there of Crochet going to Boston and again that debate
Speaker 1: of Crochet versus Sale, do you lean one way or another?
Speaker 3: Here I ended up falling into this the situation with
Speaker 3: evaluating Fenway and thinking that it's actually some of it
Speaker 3: is like very sort of psychological because a lot of
Speaker 3: the pictures were saying, oh, you know, the mound is lower,
Speaker 3: and then when I started asking them about it, like oh,
Speaker 3: what do you mean by that? And like where's you know,
Speaker 3: where are you coming from? All that, they started talking
Speaker 3: about things about like how close the backstop was and
Speaker 3: like how there's no foul ground, and so they started
Speaker 3: talking about things that had nothing to do with the
Speaker 3: mound size anymore. And I realized that I just think
Speaker 3: that to some there's like a psychological aspect having talk
Speaker 3: to Garrett Crochet like that dude does not think like that,
Speaker 3: Like he is that he like he he has you
Speaker 3: can see it too. He has these dominant pitches and
Speaker 3: he just throws dominant pitches. You know. He's just the
Speaker 3: guy's like I just throw the I throw the ball
Speaker 3: real hard, dude. And I'm not saying he doesn't have
Speaker 3: touch and he can't add the sinker and all that
Speaker 3: stuff is good. But like he's he's it doesn't surprise
Speaker 3: me at all that he had this time as a reliever,
Speaker 3: Like he kind of has that, Like I come out here,
Speaker 3: I just throw my best pitches as hard as I can,
Speaker 3: and I get out, you know. So I actually don't
Speaker 3: think that Boston will be that much of a problem
Speaker 3: for him. And what also happened was the psychology you
Speaker 3: were just talking about, of consensus psychology. So I was
Speaker 3: just looking at this, and you know, Nick, you know,
Speaker 3: I could tell he's about to say that it's great
Speaker 3: Crochet over Chrissale and I'm not along with him, nodding
Speaker 3: along with him. I'm like, oh, yeah, totally, I totally
Speaker 3: agree with you. I look over my rankings. I have
Speaker 3: Sail ahead of Crochet and I'm like, why do I
Speaker 3: have Saale ahead of Crochet? And I look across and
Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, Crochet has better stuff. Plus Crochet has
Speaker 3: a lower era projected, Crochet has a higher strikeout ray projected.
Speaker 3: What am I doing here? And then I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's got to be innings, right, And I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: I gave great Crochet one hundred and sixty two innings
Speaker 3: and I gave Chris Sale one hundred and ffty six.
Speaker 3: Is people cannot forget that Chris Sale is often injured
Speaker 3: guy too. You know, Chris Sale was the guy before
Speaker 3: Crochet that couldn't get healthy, you know, like you know,
Speaker 3: So if I've got Crochet for more innings and more
Speaker 3: strikeouts and a lower era, I just I just flipped
Speaker 3: them in the ranks. So oh no, But is this
Speaker 3: consensus that's happening? Is you know, am I not being
Speaker 3: beholden to my to my own ranks? Is that what's happening?
Speaker 3: Is this is how consensus?
Speaker 2: What are the ranks vibes?
Speaker 3: Guys?
Speaker 1: It's interesting because both of them do have that kind
Speaker 1: of injury risk to some extent. Crochet with a huge
Speaker 1: innings jump. I understand being a little bit skeptical, and
Speaker 1: he's also very expensive. But the talent, like you guys
Speaker 1: have laid out, it's unimpeachable. He is brilliant, he really is. Nick.
Speaker 2: I've really got to emphasize the White Sox did everything
Speaker 2: you could ever dream of for Garrett Crochet to be healthy. Now,
Speaker 2: I mean, they just let him go three four innings
Speaker 2: for the entirety of the second half, despite all of
Speaker 2: our fantasy teams being so upset. They didn't mean giving
Speaker 2: him an opener.
Speaker 1: They just give him.
Speaker 3: But he didn't shut him down completely. They didn't like
Speaker 3: pitch him. They pitched him the full season, just not
Speaker 3: the full season, which is I think probably ideal. Like
Speaker 3: you still kept him on this schedule, like made him
Speaker 3: stretch out, you know, and they didn't fully stop them.
Speaker 3: If you fully stop in pitching, the ramp back up
Speaker 3: is so hard. Absolutely for every week that you're not
Speaker 3: doing anything, there's like three weeks of getting back on track.
Speaker 1: So we have a consensus. I think of Garrett Crochet
Speaker 1: as much as Chris Sale, I think is probably fairly safe.
Speaker 1: The age is a little bit worrying. You can't just
Speaker 1: ignore all the things that he's done in the past.
Speaker 1: There's not like, I don't think a huge like elbow
Speaker 1: risk or whatever, but there's just been a lot of
Speaker 1: different injuries and at his age you just never really know.
Speaker 1: But that's an interesting one and it's interesting to see
Speaker 1: EEno make that flip here live on the air. I
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Speaker 1: here's an interesting one. We're gonna pit a couple of
Speaker 1: big dogs. One of them I'm very interested in this year,
Speaker 1: and that's Jacob de Gram, And we're gonna go up
Speaker 1: against Nick's guy, and that's Cole Reagan's. They're both going
Speaker 1: right around ADP of forty eight in some high stakes drafts.
Speaker 1: Jacob de Gram will go up higher. And if you
Speaker 1: see a couple of one hundred mile an hour radar
Speaker 1: gunshots who knows where main events season, we'll have him going.
Speaker 1: But you know, we'll kick it back to you to
Speaker 1: start off this one, Jacob Degram or Cole Reagan's at
Speaker 1: an ADP of around forty eight.
Speaker 3: You know, this is one of those ones too in
Speaker 3: the in the projections, I owe lower projected era, higher
Speaker 3: projected strikeout raid for Jake Degram. That settles it, and
Speaker 3: I won't I won't wander over to the Oh, my god,
Speaker 3: the inn category. My god, what is this? I mean,
Speaker 3: like de Gram has like been so amazing, you know,
Speaker 3: in when he's been in, but it's been like fifty innings,
Speaker 3: you know, over the last three years or something. So
Speaker 3: it's like, I don't know, I don't know what number
Speaker 3: you put there. I put one hundred and thirty two
Speaker 3: innings next to him. For Reagan's, I have one hundred
Speaker 3: and seventy six. You know, I do think that if
Speaker 3: one was like, you know, a back end rotation guy,
Speaker 3: then I would take one hundred and thirty innings. I
Speaker 3: still have de Grom fairly high, but when you have
Speaker 3: Cole Reagan's, the extra fifty innings could be a big difference.
Speaker 3: I mean that's wins. You know, you strikeouts as a quantity,
Speaker 3: even if maybe by rate, de Grahm is higher. So
Speaker 3: I like Reagan's a lot even in One thing that
Speaker 3: did bug me was that Reagan's lost more velo over
Speaker 3: the last last season. Of course last season than any
Speaker 3: other starting pitcher. But I believe Nick said that he
Speaker 3: had some fixes for that. He thought in his low line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I talked to Reagan's about he was saying that
Speaker 2: it was more about his bottom half and not his arm,
Speaker 2: which is good. He was saying it was mechanical. I
Speaker 2: personally just think it was fatigue and effects in different ways,
Speaker 2: and I think the time was a little bit different
Speaker 2: for it. But Reagan's didn't have any like in this
Speaker 2: off season was like, I'm fine, I'm all good. I'm
Speaker 2: just I am ramping back up normally, which is fun
Speaker 2: and it's weird for me to not be in on
Speaker 2: the ray guns pew pew pew. But I think this
Speaker 2: is really important of a question as a fantasy manager.
Speaker 2: Are you in a draft and home, Are you in
Speaker 2: a best ball league? Are you in a super deep league?
Speaker 2: I personally do my rankings based on a twelve teamer,
Speaker 2: and I think that's the most consistent one in the
Speaker 2: twelve team or shallower or actually at wing our users
Speaker 2: more than say fifteen teamers in deeper right, So with
Speaker 2: that in mind, you have to understand that what you're
Speaker 2: gaining with de Gram, which is not your other like
Speaker 2: your number five starter one thirty innings, It's that you're
Speaker 2: getting to Gram at five six innings, and then he stops,
Speaker 2: and then it's Il and then you get that replacement.
Speaker 2: And if you think about these players as a roster
Speaker 2: spot as opposed to as a player, well, we're thinking
Speaker 2: Cole Reagan's with that innings projection to be throughout the
Speaker 2: entire season, but then it's dea Gram plus whoever you
Speaker 2: get in this year, the sp pool is as deep
Speaker 2: as I've ever seen it. I mean, the quality of
Speaker 2: a replacement pitcher is insanely good relative to the top
Speaker 2: end here. So I'm actually favoring to Graham for this
Speaker 2: reason that I have this guy that I know is
Speaker 2: quality and going to be absurdly good. We saw him
Speaker 2: throw ninety nine in September last year, like he's good
Speaker 2: to go. Not to mention, de Gram was a workhorse
Speaker 2: until twenty twenty one, and then he had the precursor
Speaker 2: to TJ that took him out for a little bit.
Speaker 2: I think there's another injury fair, but then he had
Speaker 2: the TJ after that, So it's realy two injuries to
Speaker 2: me that he's had over the course of the last
Speaker 2: four years, and now he has a healthy elbow. I
Speaker 2: know that sounds weird to say, like, well, maybe du
Speaker 2: Gram isn't just like destined for fifty innings or something
Speaker 2: like that. I know you said one thirty two. I
Speaker 2: love one thirty two. My gosh, one hundred and thirty
Speaker 2: two d Grom plus whoever comes in for another forty
Speaker 2: whatever it is after that.
Speaker 4: Oh, oh, oh my gosh, put it around me and
Speaker 4: give me some hot co coke because I'm cozy.
Speaker 3: That's a still managed to be like back in top
Speaker 3: twenty five guy last year with one hundred and thirty
Speaker 3: five innings.
Speaker 2: That's oh my gosh. So I'm in a da Gram.
Speaker 2: I know you are Joe too, but I just think
Speaker 2: this is such a good quality. And also know you
Speaker 2: as a manager in May, you were going to be
Speaker 2: regretting not having d Grom. You're just going to see
Speaker 2: your buddy over there be like, oh, I just got
Speaker 2: eight innings in twelve stregas Grom. You're like, what am
Speaker 2: I doing? Why did you know? That's what it's going
Speaker 2: to be called. But hey, I'll take Cole Reagan's all
Speaker 2: day too. I think he's spent on both inside of
Speaker 2: my top ten. So I'm a big with.
Speaker 1: With de Gram. It's like you said it, Nick, when
Speaker 1: we were doing that podcast together in Arizona. It was
Speaker 1: FTN podcast that you don't give me the guy who
Speaker 1: has the clean elbow. He is when he's healthy, the
Speaker 1: best pitcher in baseball. And I think, honestly, maybe I'm
Speaker 1: reading too much into the comp but why can't he
Speaker 1: do what Verlander did a couple of years ago and
Speaker 1: what Chris Sale did last year at an older age
Speaker 1: coming off of injuries. Everybody's kind of down and out
Speaker 1: on you. Why can't Jacob to Grom be the sp
Speaker 1: one growing one hundred and thirty and forty innings?
Speaker 3: The list for second Tommy John's is worse.
Speaker 1: That's the that's the problem. But it was how long
Speaker 1: ago was his first Tommy John? It was a good
Speaker 1: while back, wasn't It.
Speaker 3: Was in college?
Speaker 1: College? Right? Yeah? Does that make a difference the space
Speaker 1: between them?
Speaker 2: No, like second Timmy John. The data is weird. We're
Speaker 2: changing how we're using the picture.
Speaker 3: Two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like they don't know what to really make
Speaker 2: out of second.
Speaker 3: The best the best one so far is Navy vol Me.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah about Reagan's What about Reagan's.
Speaker 3: Revision?
Speaker 2: I think he had he had his first one and
Speaker 2: it wasn't good and they had to redo it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, does that count as too or is that count
Speaker 1: still counts one?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: You're going on.
Speaker 3: Yes, Strider is an interesting case too, because they it
Speaker 3: didn't tear fully and so he got only I think
Speaker 3: the internal brace, and so it's that that might be
Speaker 3: a one point five. Who knows?
Speaker 1: Who knows these days with the braces and the Tommy
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't even with o Tani too, and
Speaker 1: until I go off subject, but like, do we ever
Speaker 1: even were we ever even told exactly what his procedure was?
Speaker 3: That was a brace too? I was really annoyed about that.
Speaker 3: Just tell us, come on.
Speaker 1: Tell us, what's the secret for I don't know.
Speaker 2: He had a very normal doctor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's yes, that's the kind of details we got.
Speaker 3: It's like, what, no, what was this surgery? Dude?
Speaker 1: Hard to keep track anymore. But those are kind of
Speaker 1: the elite battles we're gonna go through today inside the
Speaker 1: top fifty eightp But let's keep it going with Shota
Speaker 1: Imanaga versus Logan Web, two guys that I think are
Speaker 1: both pretty solid, pretty stable options. You get more strikeouts
Speaker 1: with a Monaga Web, more of the ground ball guy. Nick,
Speaker 1: We'll start with you on this one strong preference between
Speaker 1: these two.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna lead Imanaga. I'm a little surprised that his
Speaker 2: four seemer didn't get a ten percent plus swing striker
Speaker 2: against lefties or righties last year, but I do love
Speaker 2: the fact of how consistent that splitter is. And yes,
Speaker 2: I believe in a splitter. It's amazing. I know as
Speaker 2: a number two pitch, but this is just one of
Speaker 2: the best and most consistent ones. And then I was
Speaker 2: actually really impressed by his sweeper against lefties. And it's
Speaker 2: a two pitch mix that should work on both both
Speaker 2: handedness matters consistently. It's a great situation for him, and
Speaker 2: with Logan Web actually myself liking him more as I
Speaker 2: looked further into him. He had horrible luck on his
Speaker 2: change up last year. The ICR marks that is the
Speaker 2: ideal contact allowed, which is just a better version for
Speaker 2: hard hit rate. I jumped up massively on this change
Speaker 2: despite actually not really utilizing it any differently and having
Speaker 2: still amazing PLV marks and everything. And I think it's
Speaker 2: because Batters became ready for it. Finally they knew that
Speaker 2: Logan Web was just like, I'm going to throw sixty
Speaker 2: change ups in a game guy, So he actually had
Speaker 2: to change what he was doing a bit and worked
Speaker 2: in a bit more of those sliders involved with obviously
Speaker 2: the sink or two and it kind of and it worked.
Speaker 2: But I feel like now Web can come back and
Speaker 2: get better luck on that change up with his better
Speaker 2: mix now and just I like them both. By the
Speaker 2: end of the day. I feel like Web, we saw
Speaker 2: a one oh six whip and then we saw the
Speaker 2: one twenty three, and it's just yeah, you are going
Speaker 2: to allow more hits because you are a ground ball guy.
Speaker 2: Ground ball guy, right, that's just your nature. While Imanaga
Speaker 2: is extreme flyball Rickley helps him, uh, and it's it
Speaker 2: generally seems to me you have a better whip with Managa.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's close to the same strikeouts just due to
Speaker 2: a volume of Web, but there's more potential of Web
Speaker 2: hurting you for a full year like his one twenty three.
Speaker 2: What did over as many innings as he did than
Speaker 2: in Minaga, who would have to be more of the
Speaker 2: era side of the home. It's really become a massive
Speaker 2: problem from over the years. So that's why I'm leaning
Speaker 2: in Minaga over Web.
Speaker 1: You know, you got a stuff plus got a little
Speaker 1: bit of facelift recently and Logan webs change up is
Speaker 1: at one oh nine. Now that is his best pitch
Speaker 1: according to Stuff. Is that where you're leaning into that
Speaker 1: change up with Web? Or are you going on the
Speaker 1: Emanaga side here?
Speaker 3: This is This is amazing because it's like a philosophical question.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is this is a there's a path.
Speaker 1: On the road.
Speaker 3: These these these pictures are not the same. Oh this
Speaker 3: is Logan Web is a throwback back to you know,
Speaker 3: the eighties when we had lower strikeout rates and everybody
Speaker 3: wanted a great change up like he has. And you know,
Speaker 3: Shota is like kind of like where we went with
Speaker 3: the sport after that. You know, high ride for seamer
Speaker 3: of a splitter coming off of it and more strikeouts
Speaker 3: and homers, and you know, I'm a little surprised. The
Speaker 3: whips conversation is interesting because ground botherers do have higher
Speaker 3: whips usually, but they're projected for like a difference of
Speaker 3: like one one point one ish for for Shota and
Speaker 3: like one point one four ish for Webs. So like,
Speaker 3: and I could look at last year's number for Web
Speaker 3: and say, well, they didn't really have a shortstop all year,
Speaker 3: and now they're gonna have Willie Damis, and like the
Speaker 3: guy that was their shortstop is going to be much
Speaker 3: better defensively at the second base. This might be a
Speaker 3: way better defensive infield, you know, all around. Just with
Speaker 3: that that change, and then I just have in terms
Speaker 3: of projections, I have a like three point five for
Speaker 3: Logan Web and Era and a three point nine three
Speaker 3: point eight eight for Showta, So like, I'm going to
Speaker 3: take that, and I think that that bulk is where
Speaker 3: I get some of those strikeouts back. And sometimes when
Speaker 3: you're think of talking about like you know, a roster
Speaker 3: slot versus a player, I think about this also, like
Speaker 3: if you play in a weekly league and you have
Speaker 3: the choice between Logan Web and someone might give up
Speaker 3: more homers or a reliever for example, And some people
Speaker 3: might say, well, a Logan Web start, you may not
Speaker 3: get more strikeouts than a reliever. The problem is that
Speaker 3: Logan Web goes seven deep a lot, you know, and
Speaker 3: so yes, his strikeout per batter might not be like great,
Speaker 3: but in terms of a roster slot for that week,
Speaker 3: you can still expect five or six strikeouts. Can you
Speaker 3: expect five or six strikeouts from a reliever that you
Speaker 3: put it in there instead?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe sometimes not always, Sometimes they get us once, you know.
Speaker 3: So in terms of like a roster spot, what you
Speaker 3: can get when you put Logan Web in is a
Speaker 3: really good chance to win five or six strikeouts really
Speaker 3: low lyra I think that's really dependable. And what I
Speaker 3: find also is that there are more sort of health
Speaker 3: risks that are super exciting in the top in like
Speaker 3: the first ten fifteen than usual, or maybe just just
Speaker 3: where the game is headed. Your crochets and your sales.
Speaker 3: Like those guys, if you started with a crochet, you
Speaker 3: should probably back them up with the Logan Web as
Speaker 3: opposed to backing up with Showtai Monic. I think because
Speaker 3: you're starting to layer risk a little bit. So I
Speaker 3: just love Logan Web in this like grouping of kind
Speaker 3: of like Pablo Lopez, Aaron Nola, like, you know, these
Speaker 3: guys are going to be pretty good and give you
Speaker 3: a lot of innings and could really back you up
Speaker 3: really nicely if you took.
Speaker 1: A risk of your first guy very high floor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like at the grom webpairing. I kind of like that
Speaker 1: if you do something like that, I kind of dig it, Nick,
Speaker 1: What do you think I mean?
Speaker 5: Oh man, I call it by the way, I moved
Speaker 5: Web back and forth multiple times, and I had like
Speaker 5: Webin and Minaga close and I think by the end
Speaker 5: I had it not too far away.
Speaker 2: It is interesting to hear about, right, adamis coming in
Speaker 2: at shore. You got Chapman there third two. That does
Speaker 2: make me more inclined than again, he's always pretty much
Speaker 2: had this eight hyper nine. It's just like, it's what
Speaker 2: Web does. And I don't want to get too optimistic
Speaker 2: that Web is going to figure out exactly which what
Speaker 2: is pitch mix is last year.
Speaker 3: The cutter is good, I think the cutter is good,
Speaker 3: and the cutter is going to be That's that's that's
Speaker 3: what the upside is. If the cutter is good, I
Speaker 3: could see him pushing the strike out right to like
Speaker 3: twenty two to twenty three. He's done that before, right,
Speaker 3: So the other aspect is that something I wasn't really
Speaker 3: working to my rankings about in Monaga. But I just
Speaker 3: it's just in my head is that your we do
Speaker 3: see Japanese pitchers in their second year be affected by
Speaker 3: the increased to workload the previous year, right they And
Speaker 3: I didn't want to act on that because I am
Speaker 3: actually really optimistic on you know, it's just overall skill set,
Speaker 3: like it just works, this works really well. I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna I don't. I personally don't have that three to nine,
Speaker 3: which I get because of the home run rates. But
Speaker 3: even with the amazing season of storr of the year
Speaker 3: that Monaga had last year, it was still a fantastic
Speaker 3: run Even after and including that what Niner running game
Speaker 3: and all those others, it was still like a three
Speaker 3: four year a after that. So including that blow up,
Speaker 3: I just think that Managa is just those three pitches work.
Speaker 2: That's that's good and that will get over velocity and everything.
Speaker 2: It works.
Speaker 3: I think the fast is getible and that his like
Speaker 3: brand of high ride fastball is like more and more
Speaker 3: gettible for hitters, like they more they now have a
Speaker 3: strategy when it comes to ride.
Speaker 2: They know what you're doing.
Speaker 3: I target at the top half of the ball. I
Speaker 3: do this, I had this move, I have this, I
Speaker 3: do this. I'm I'm flattered with my swing whatever it is.
Speaker 3: I think that they've all figured out coping mechanisms for
Speaker 3: that type of fastball, and then if you take away
Speaker 3: some of the power of the ride, what you got
Speaker 3: left is a ninety one mile on our fastball.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The rule of thumb, I mean, I can't really go
Speaker 2: against this, you know, because I think your real thumb
Speaker 2: is do they throw ninety bye? I'm out. It's a
Speaker 2: pretty good rule. Oh man, what is webs? It's like
Speaker 2: ninety two? Right, ninety two? Ninety three? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, who well you managa no, no, no, web.
Speaker 2: But it's a sinker, really not. He doesn't throw his
Speaker 2: sports anymore. Thankfully he doesn't should not touch it.
Speaker 3: Still, it still got about a mile per hour on chota.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Also, am I the only one who occasionally in my
Speaker 1: head we'll say, Brandon web? Is that just a me thing?
Speaker 2: I'll go to sleep saying it.
Speaker 1: I just called it.
Speaker 3: Chris Chris Bryant, Kobe Bryan Pond this morning.
Speaker 1: That's right, I MA, that's awesome. Let's keep it going
Speaker 1: and we're gonna lean heavily into injury risk here at
Speaker 1: ADP of around eighty six. Max Freed versus Tyler Glass. Now,
Speaker 1: you know you, when we did a show together, the
Speaker 1: same kind of show last year, you listed off all
Speaker 1: the things that Max Freed had wrong with him and
Speaker 1: the chances of elbow injuries recurring. He's dealt with four
Speaker 1: arm problems the last couple of seasons. I'm kind of
Speaker 1: worried about him. But then there's Tyler Glass now, who
Speaker 1: doesn't exactly give you that warm and fuzzy feeling. So
Speaker 1: if forced to choose between these two, let's call it
Speaker 1: the fifth, sixth, seventh round kind of range, depending on
Speaker 1: leagu's siye, who are you leaning with? Between Max Freed
Speaker 1: and Tyler Glass? Now?
Speaker 3: I have them literally next to each other, and I
Speaker 3: have Glass now one spot ahead.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just I think there's been the reading between the lines.
Speaker 3: I think there's been good news. And sometimes we're not
Speaker 3: doctors and we have to play along and try to
Speaker 3: figure these things out. But you know, he went on
Speaker 3: a radio show Tyler Glass now did during the playoffs
Speaker 3: and said, yeah, no, everything's fine. And then and then
Speaker 3: when he first reported the spring, he said something like Yeah,
Speaker 3: it wasn't ever torn or anything. It was just, you know,
Speaker 3: all the news has been good so far and I
Speaker 3: had and I feel good. So that's and then I
Speaker 3: what I can point to is that he was kind
Speaker 3: of I think it was like the twenty first best
Speaker 3: starting pitcher last year if you look retroactively, and I
Speaker 3: if you look under the hood, he could have done
Speaker 3: better than he had last year, like a three four
Speaker 3: five ERA with all the strikeouts he could have, Like
Speaker 3: Sierra says, he deserved a two ninety RA, you know,
Speaker 3: and Sierra's actually a pretty powerful stat for how old
Speaker 3: it is and uh it's skill indiactive era on Fangrass
Speaker 3: and it's still a pretty pretty powerful, pretty predictive stat
Speaker 3: two ninety RA. So if Gosta comes back and only
Speaker 3: gives you, only gives you one hundred and thirty five innings,
Speaker 3: but this year it's more like the three ten or
Speaker 3: the two ninety that he deserved last year, then he's
Speaker 3: going to be better than the twenty first pitcher at
Speaker 3: the end of the season and he's going around there.
Speaker 3: So you know, that's where your upside is is same
Speaker 3: as last year. Totals wise, with Freed, I do have
Speaker 3: more innings for him, but I have an era that's
Speaker 3: projected to be higher like A like you know, a
Speaker 3: third of three point three higher. And I have FREEDA
Speaker 3: has never given the strikeout rate that a Glass now does.
Speaker 3: So you have to think about that too. Is that
Speaker 3: like if they if you give both the same amount of innings,
Speaker 3: you're going to get like twenty fewer strikeouts from from
Speaker 3: Freed And that's a category.
Speaker 1: So any ballpark concerns the Yankee Stadium.
Speaker 3: I mean the ball flies out of Atlanta to to
Speaker 3: some degree. And there's something he's I think he does
Speaker 3: have some homer suppression in his arsenal, and I think
Speaker 3: it's friendlier to left handed batters in New York and
Speaker 3: he's lefty, Like what do you think I think it'll
Speaker 3: be all?
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm favorable and both they're both inside my
Speaker 2: top fifteenth and the two spots separating. It goes back
Speaker 2: to the initial thing before is do you want are
Speaker 2: you in a shallow in a league that you want
Speaker 2: to go for the quality per game. It might be
Speaker 2: a little bit different though with Glass now, because you
Speaker 2: might see a six mint rotation, you might see them
Speaker 2: skiff a start or so as opposed to just a
Speaker 2: flat IL stint, and that has me a little not
Speaker 2: as into that as I would want to be for
Speaker 2: Glas now. For that reason, I think Max Freed is
Speaker 2: just massively undervalued. He had a three thirty eight ARRA
Speaker 2: last year and everyone goes, oh my god, oh it's terrible,
Speaker 2: and that was the highest he's had in I think
Speaker 2: ages and maybe his rookie season. He's also someone that
Speaker 2: needs to rev up, and we see this every single
Speaker 2: April typically, but then he won the IL and then
Speaker 2: he needed a couple of starts to actually get back
Speaker 2: to where he was and that's the difference of his
Speaker 2: era is really him coming back from the IL and
Speaker 2: reving up again, and that's it's Max Freed. He also
Speaker 2: has room to grow even with this change up that
Speaker 2: used to be there a bit. It lagged behind him
Speaker 2: against rities, also dealing with lefties with a little stranger
Speaker 2: last year. Honestly, I think he's just gonna throw more
Speaker 2: cutters inside of lefties and sorry not cutters as sinkers
Speaker 2: inside of lefties and that should be great. I also
Speaker 2: want to point out that the i L injury that
Speaker 2: he had, I als think that Max Freed had was inflammation,
Speaker 2: not a tear. It wasn't a strain in that time either,
Speaker 2: And the Yankees signing him the way that they did
Speaker 2: would not be doing that if they felt that this
Speaker 2: was actually a ticking time bomb of an elbow injury.
Speaker 2: So I have a lot of faith in this and
Speaker 2: I see it as this is such a.
Speaker 3: Great way that flexor injury was. It was not a
Speaker 3: strange just better with Freed. The flexor injury was not
Speaker 3: a strain, it was it was a arm.
Speaker 2: Elbow inflammation is what I have here. You're talking about
Speaker 2: the one before, the previous Yeah, yeah, the one before
Speaker 2: I'm talking about last year's Okay, that was elbow information.
Speaker 2: So I am talking to Stephen Lyman about strains. Strains
Speaker 2: in the past two they heal, and if they're healed,
Speaker 2: then they're good. We've seen that from Zach Wheeler. We've
Speaker 2: seen that from Zach Allen, and I feel good about
Speaker 2: this right now in this way of just what Max
Speaker 2: Free's health is. So I think this is an amazing
Speaker 2: situation right now. He's on the Yankees, which obviously not
Speaker 2: much different from Atlanta. But this is your like e
Speaker 2: a whip king with you know, strike out an ending
Speaker 2: like tons of winds. I love this from Max Free
Speaker 2: getting him everywhere I can. It's just kind of do
Speaker 2: I want the upside quality per inning with glasnow more?
Speaker 2: And so I think I have Freed eleven and glassnow
Speaker 2: at thirteen just.
Speaker 1: To be Devil's advocate, Like, you know, do the repetitive
Speaker 1: injuries to the arm, whether it's strange like however, whatever
Speaker 1: the severity is, do the year on year injuries to
Speaker 1: the arm combined with the new destination do they maybe
Speaker 1: give you some pause? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. And that did factor in a little bit.
Speaker 3: And so I've had this, I've read this period research
Speaker 3: that suggests that that forearm strains are precursors to Tommy John.
Speaker 3: So it's just sort of what we've seen in the marketplace.
Speaker 3: But you know, there's a couple of interesting things about that.
Speaker 3: Is there something underlying in the mechanics that's doing this
Speaker 3: that's rather than the actual injury leading to the next thing,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like they doing something wrong
Speaker 3: that then leads to TJ rather than the actual injury
Speaker 3: leading to the next So I think that's really interesting
Speaker 3: from linement about you know, what happens once this thing
Speaker 3: is healed. The other aspect of this is like there's
Speaker 3: a philosophical question is like how long does something matter
Speaker 3: to you in terms of health? Because we have Zach
Speaker 3: Wheeler to a lot of people's annoyment annoyance. In my rankings,
Speaker 3: I've been using Jeff Zimmermann's health ratings and Zach Wheeler
Speaker 3: has the same health rating. I forget who was there's
Speaker 3: two seventy seven percenters.
Speaker 2: They were like, yeah, that's a low one though.
Speaker 3: Seventy seven, Yeah, it's seventy seven is a little bit low.
Speaker 3: They just thought that's low. Let me see who it
Speaker 3: could have been. Got Ryan Pepio at seventy seven, Ronaldo
Speaker 3: Lopez at seventy six, Gavin Williams at seventy seven. So yeah,
Speaker 3: do you think of Wheelers healthier than those guys? And
Speaker 3: I think most people, if you didn't show them anything,
Speaker 3: would say, hey, yeah, yeah, Wheeler's a study's a horse,
Speaker 3: he's a guy. But then one of the inputs into
Speaker 3: Zimmerman's thing is have you ever had an arm injury
Speaker 3: or have you ever had dj you know, like, how
Speaker 3: many elbow injuries have you had? Period? And not how
Speaker 3: long ago were they? They he does have a little
Speaker 3: separation where he's like, have you ever had it? And
Speaker 3: then you have had it in the last two years.
Speaker 3: If you had the last two years, it's worse. If
Speaker 3: you've ever had it, it's still in there. So that's
Speaker 3: that's what I wonder. How much of that is true?
Speaker 3: Is it still in there somewhere? Is there something in
Speaker 3: Maxwreeths mechanics that lead that led to that strain that
Speaker 3: will lead to something worse later? You know? Is it
Speaker 3: still in there somehow even if the thing itself has healed.
Speaker 3: I don't know the answer to that, and I think
Speaker 3: that's what makes health forecasting so hard. But since you're
Speaker 3: comparing him to an other guy who gets hurt a lot,
Speaker 3: you know, I have a difference in innings of like
Speaker 3: twenty innings. To me, once that happens, I'm I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 3: neither these guys gets an a for me health wise,
Speaker 3: So I'll just take I'll just take what I think
Speaker 3: will better innings in glass.
Speaker 1: Now, is there something to be said about a picture
Speaker 1: who has just been healthy for so many years then
Speaker 1: they're just kind of due for an injury? There is
Speaker 1: that just I know it's not analytical. It's not about
Speaker 1: the speed or about anything like that. But is there
Speaker 1: something to be said about He's been healthy for six
Speaker 1: years in a row. Pictures can't stay healthy. He's just due.
Speaker 1: Is that? Is that crazy to say? You know?
Speaker 2: The worst thing that we do as analysts is trying
Speaker 2: and figure out health and volume. It's just oh gosh.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, really everybody listening
Speaker 2: is go with your gut about it. I sandye al
Speaker 2: Qatara is just all right, here's a horse.
Speaker 3: He's a horse's horse, and then he goes down. Verlander
Speaker 3: pitched so many innings.
Speaker 2: Right, it's just you can't, you can't, and good luck everyone.
Speaker 3: Generally good though. I think that's good.
Speaker 2: We'll be here when you need someone. When they go down,
Speaker 2: come talk to us.
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Speaker 1: we're gonna be a little bit more rapid fire in
Speaker 1: the second half here or else they're going to start
Speaker 1: yelling at me for going long on this one. But
Speaker 1: let's go on to Luis Castillo versus Spenser Schwellenbach and
Speaker 1: Nick we'll start with you on this one.
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, okay, I've been I got myself a little
Speaker 4: bit lower on Schwellenbach talking to Eric Smolski because he said,
Speaker 4: who are the most who are the pictures who are
Speaker 4: most likely to be busts?
Speaker 2: It's like, oh damn, Spencer Schollenbach. And I love what
Speaker 2: Schwallenbach does. He has a white arsenal, multiple whip pitches,
Speaker 2: throws ninety six. You like that, you know it's ninety six.
Speaker 2: It's great, but it actually is the more hittable fastball,
Speaker 2: which is weird. And also, as if, I don't like
Speaker 2: ninety six either, But it's a great situation. And Atlanta's
Speaker 2: gonna go every five days gonna gets some wins. It's
Speaker 2: all there. And I'm a big fan of Spencer Swallenbach,
Speaker 2: while with Luis Castillo, it seems so strange to me
Speaker 2: to have Nola, Gallon and Castillo outside of my top
Speaker 2: thirty for the first time ever, just because these are
Speaker 2: all pitchers to me, who yes, they will be productive
Speaker 2: for your teams. It's just what is the line of Hey,
Speaker 2: twelve teamer versus fifteen teamer? What kind of whip and
Speaker 2: earra am I okay? With what kind of risk am
Speaker 2: I putting myself into them getting worse as opposed to
Speaker 2: be better? And with Castillo, we saw the degrading fastball,
Speaker 2: We've seen his change of just not be the pitch
Speaker 2: that it used to be. It all has all, it
Speaker 2: has all the signs of this getting worse before things improve.
Speaker 2: So I have Swallenbach ahead of Castillo. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I love that. I am going to assume that
Speaker 2: Seattle being the anti Corps is still going to be
Speaker 2: a thing, so at least you've got that going for you.
Speaker 2: But I just think that Spencer Swellenbach is a super
Speaker 2: talented arm who has all the tools at his disposal.
Speaker 2: Really good command too, and is just primed to be
Speaker 2: that fantastic hundred and seventy inning guy that you wanted
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 1: Still worries me. The fastball velo has gone down each
Speaker 1: of the last three seasons. The swinging strike rate went
Speaker 1: way down. I worry a little bit about starting him
Speaker 1: away from home. At home, You're not worried at all,
Speaker 1: but the splits between I mean, all Mariner's pitchers were
Speaker 1: very drastic home and away last year. You know, any
Speaker 1: concern about Castillo now as he's into his mid kind
Speaker 1: of thirties versus the up and ascending specter Swellenbach.
Speaker 3: Oh, as an older man myself, Yes, I'm concerned about that.
Speaker 3: But you know, one thing that was really strange about
Speaker 3: his season last year was that he for some reason
Speaker 3: started throwing the slider softly. And I don't know, I
Speaker 3: think he actually even said something that like somebody told
Speaker 3: him it would be better that way, and so he
Speaker 3: kind of opened the season with a slider in the
Speaker 3: eighty fives and eighty five is kind of a magic
Speaker 3: number where all sliders are better after over eighty five,
Speaker 3: And I don't really know why he was doing that,
Speaker 3: And at some point he started throwing it hard again,
Speaker 3: and he was doing it more sort of eighty eight,
Speaker 3: eighty seven, eighty eight like he used to. And if
Speaker 3: you just kind of cut the season off where he
Speaker 3: started throwing the slider harder, you get better numbers overall.
Speaker 3: You get a what is this here, a twenty four
Speaker 3: percent k rate, you know, and you get a three
Speaker 3: five ERA. And I think that, like just generally he's
Speaker 3: better with that, with that side of the way it
Speaker 3: was he figured that part out. I'd like his arsenal.
Speaker 3: I know his change up isn't as good, but I
Speaker 3: think he still has change up sinker in him. And
Speaker 3: he also has four seam slider. I think he's got
Speaker 3: such a high floor because of his park. I have
Speaker 3: him comfortably ahead of schwan Bach. I don't know where necessarily.
Speaker 3: Maybe the three seven five RA projection for Schwambach is off,
Speaker 3: but that's the number I've got, And so schwam Black
Speaker 3: is more, you know, around Hunter Green for me, which
Speaker 3: is love them, excited about them, but down a little
Speaker 3: bit lower, whereas Luis Castillo is back in that Pablo
Speaker 3: Lopez logan web area where I'm like, this is really
Speaker 3: bankable innings. I just think it's it's it's again. It's
Speaker 3: a floor versus ceiling argument again, like Nick has been saying,
Speaker 3: it's right, the smaller league, the less you care about floor.
Speaker 3: My biases are towards deeper leagues. I do care about floor.
Speaker 3: So that's that that I'll show up in my rankings.
Speaker 1: It's totally fair. Let's keep it going. And this one
Speaker 1: is also more of a younger guy versus an older
Speaker 1: guy type of argument. Grayson Rodriguez and Sonny Gray. Grayson
Speaker 1: Rodriguez hasn't really turned into that ace level pitcher like
Speaker 1: a lot of people thought he was going to, at
Speaker 1: least not initially. Still absolutely potential for it, but he
Speaker 1: hasn't quite lived up to expectations. Sonny Gray just had
Speaker 1: one of his best seasons at age of thirty five
Speaker 1: or thirty six. He hit the thirty percent strikeout right.
Speaker 1: Nick and I were talking about this before we started recording,
Speaker 1: just really fantastic stuff. It's kind of a tricky one
Speaker 1: going right around pick one hundred and five. This one
Speaker 1: we will start with Eno. I've probably mixed it up
Speaker 1: who I'm starting with on each one here, but let's
Speaker 1: we'll go back to Eno for this one. Spccer.
Speaker 3: We're supposed to be faster too. We're supposed to be fast,
Speaker 3: all right, So this early two for me, it's super
Speaker 3: super easy. I want Grayson Rodriguez. I can't believe that
Speaker 3: they're actually next to each other in the rankings. I
Speaker 3: don't know this. It actually sort of boggles my mind
Speaker 3: a little bit. I do think that what happened with
Speaker 3: Sunny Gray is that he started throwing that sweeper like
Speaker 3: forty percent of the time so much, so much, and
Speaker 3: what we saw in the playoffs, or it was the
Speaker 3: playoffs last year or just the end of the season
Speaker 3: or the playoffs before, we've seen We've seen batters start
Speaker 3: to get better at that. We've seen the batters get
Speaker 3: better at sweepers across the league generally every year they
Speaker 3: reach at them less and they swing at them more
Speaker 3: on the strike zone, and so they're getting used more
Speaker 3: used to the sweeper shape. So I think that's going
Speaker 3: to happen for him this year. I think that like, yes,
Speaker 3: it is this one great shining duel he has, which
Speaker 3: is this amazing breaking ball, but everything around it is
Speaker 3: not as great anymore. He's getting older. Grayson Rodriguez has
Speaker 3: has come to camp with the sweeper. The one thing
Speaker 3: he was missing was something that got right. He's out.
Speaker 3: He has reverse splits because he has a great change up.
Speaker 3: But you're telling me, I now have a guy the
Speaker 3: four seam, a sinker. He can maybe even bring the
Speaker 3: cutter back in. Gotta have a sweeper, and he has
Speaker 3: a plus change. That's a big wide arsenal with Velo
Speaker 3: with command. I think he's you know, I think last
Speaker 3: year when we did this, we had a question of like,
Speaker 3: who's somebody that's outside of the top twenty five that
Speaker 3: could jump in. That's Grace and Rodriguez from me. In fact,
Speaker 3: he's in my top twenty five because I think this
Speaker 3: is the year for him. I think he's just on
Speaker 3: the cusp of a breakout.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. I mean, Grayson Arreganz doesn't
Speaker 2: need to have that cutter. He used to throw one,
Speaker 2: but it was like eighty six. It wasn't like a
Speaker 2: hard cutter. And for an elite extension guy like Grasa Arriguez,
Speaker 2: it throws ninety six plus. I think he throws ninety eight,
Speaker 2: like what works out that you know, ninety three or
Speaker 2: something and just just slightly different to get that strip
Speaker 2: pick because that's what's happening with Grayson Rodriguez. He doesn't
Speaker 2: have reliable strip pitches outside of that fastball, and the
Speaker 2: fastball should be missing all these bats, but it's not
Speaker 2: because the guys are just going up there and looking
Speaker 2: for the fastballs. Why this changeup that is not located
Speaker 2: well right now to lefties is doing so well because
Speaker 2: they're just selling out for that heater a ton and
Speaker 2: having something that's a little bit more deceptive at the
Speaker 2: near velocity ban like a sinker. I would say against
Speaker 2: right handers, two is going to do wonders for him.
Speaker 2: And I have to imagine, even though the cutter is
Speaker 2: the legendary thing of the Baltimore orioles Bane, I guess whatever,
Speaker 2: over the years where they banned them from throwing them,
Speaker 2: I think they're a little bit more more. They liked
Speaker 2: it a lot more than they used to. Now with
Speaker 2: Sunny Gray. What's crazy is you can look at put
Speaker 2: away rates just for strikeouts. He had a thirty percent
Speaker 2: strike out right out of nowhere, and you can just
Speaker 2: look at how efficient in a two strike count, how
Speaker 2: often does this pitch strike the batter route That is
Speaker 2: a putaway rate. Let me see like twenty five percent.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh man, that's really good. Good job. Twenty
Speaker 2: eight percent on the sweeper last year you got underneath lefties.
Speaker 2: But the sinker to four seamers had forty percent. And
Speaker 2: it's not like he thok like five of them like
Speaker 2: he did backdoor sinkers to right handers, and a forty
Speaker 2: percent rate is just absurd. There's I've never actually seen
Speaker 2: that on a regularly used pitch.
Speaker 3: So that's going to be pitching backwards in a way
Speaker 3: like he's. Yeah, they're all keyed in on the sweeper
Speaker 3: because he's throwing it so often, so he's and then.
Speaker 2: Van there comes to the sinker back door and it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's going to be a thing now, okay, cool, great,
Speaker 2: we're going to change this and I'll let it be
Speaker 2: forty percent called strike strike three here, So yes, you're
Speaker 2: gonna see that put away rate get worse, which means
Speaker 2: the strike every gets worse, which means Sunny Gray is
Speaker 2: and that great and then yeah, Chris is gonna be ace.
Speaker 1: So can't wait unanimous. I mean I came in kind
Speaker 1: of thinking it's close, but you guys have kind of
Speaker 1: talked me talked me off the sunny Gray ledge. I
Speaker 1: think I am going to be more on the Grayson's side.
Speaker 1: I look at the career numbers and I think they
Speaker 1: like they leave a bit to be desired. If like
Speaker 1: the average person is going to look and say, okay,
Speaker 1: it's a four eleven era is a one twenty nine
Speaker 1: career whip. I think the average person will be kind
Speaker 1: of put off if they're not digging deep. But that's
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Speaker 1: Let's keep it going though, and we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: a couple of guys who have switched jerseys over the years,
Speaker 1: guys that have at various times both been close to
Speaker 1: my heart, and that's Robbie Ray and Kevin Gosman.
Speaker 2: It's far and away Robbi Ray to me, I think
Speaker 2: he's a much better pitcher since since with the Jay's
Speaker 2: and then going off to Seattle. I mean, he's been stellar.
Speaker 2: He came back from Tommy John last year, had like
Speaker 2: one or two weird starts, but otherwise was great. And yeah,
Speaker 2: he's gonna get all these strikeouts. It's a good situation.
Speaker 2: In San Francisco, like Robbie Ray's what you want Kevin
Speaker 2: Gosman to be. Like, we're hoping Kevin Gosman's like Robbie Ray,
Speaker 2: and he won't be. So I'm going Robbie Ray.
Speaker 3: All day here, like perfect no notes I had. You know,
Speaker 3: Goswin has almost a run higher Sierra, and he had
Speaker 3: a ten point five percent swinging strike rate last year
Speaker 3: and Ray had a sixteen percent swinging strike rate. I
Speaker 3: know which number I prefer. So the fastball is also
Speaker 3: for Ray is going in the right direction. He gained
Speaker 3: some ticks back after the ve though, after the surgery,
Speaker 3: whereas Gossmin's is just dropping and dropping dropping. At some point,
Speaker 3: I think he may even have like a disastrous season,
Speaker 3: like in terms of disaster season percentage, like I think
Speaker 3: Gosman's is higher the latest that for me.
Speaker 1: Know, let's keep it going now with just a couple
Speaker 1: more left and another two guys who IM really invested
Speaker 1: in both of them this year to be honest, and
Speaker 1: that's Zach Efflin and Brandon Fought, both both going around
Speaker 1: one eighty five to one ninety range. You know, let's
Speaker 1: start with you on this one. Brandon Fought the young
Speaker 1: and ascending guy who the underlying numbers are very good,
Speaker 1: Versus Zach Efflin, who's maybe a little bit boring but
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more reliable. You have a preference
Speaker 1: between the two of them.
Speaker 3: I'm taking neither right now.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 3: Versus the board. I'm either shopping in other places or
Speaker 3: I don't know. I haven't. I have zero shares of
Speaker 3: them right now. And the problem for me is Brandon
Speaker 3: Fott still doesn't have an approach versus lefties that I
Speaker 3: that I trust. I keep waiting for something he needs
Speaker 3: to add something. He did add the sinker, and that
Speaker 3: made him great against Righty's. He's kind of a sinker
Speaker 3: sweeper guy against Righty's. Against lefties, he's just throwing the
Speaker 3: kitchen sink and hoping it works. And I don't. I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know that it's going to be any better
Speaker 3: this year. I if he really came out and was like, oh, guys,
Speaker 3: you've got to see my cutter, I think I would
Speaker 3: listen because that that could that could change things for him.
Speaker 3: If he like was like I'm gonna rea, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: emphasize my curve, I might listen because it's his Chaine
Speaker 3: Up's not very good.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: Eflyn is a bad fastball, older guy that is just
Speaker 3: trying to dance all around his breaking balls, and like
Speaker 3: he wants all he wants to do is throw his
Speaker 3: breaking ball. But he has to throw the fastball enough.
Speaker 3: And I think those guys the disaster percentage again, you know,
Speaker 3: is there because at some point they just ignore the
Speaker 3: fastball and start hitting the sliders, you know, And he's
Speaker 3: kind of close to that line. I feel like where
Speaker 3: they're just going to stop paying attention to his fastball.
Speaker 3: Any case, neither one of them has like standouts in
Speaker 3: terms of projections or arsenal mixes or anything that kind
Speaker 3: of makes me want to take them.
Speaker 1: They would.
Speaker 3: I would take them if they fell to me, And
Speaker 3: in that case, I would prefer I guess fought because
Speaker 3: he's younger. Something could go right. Fastball is a little
Speaker 3: bit better.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, thoughts. Seems to be like kind of an
Speaker 1: industry darling this year. I've seen him a on a
Speaker 1: lot of sleeper lists. But it doesn't seem like either
Speaker 1: of you guys agreed. Nick, you don't, You're shicking your head.
Speaker 2: No, There's so many reasons why I love this man.
Speaker 2: And Alice was so ready for him to, like when
Speaker 2: we talked about him last week, to be like, oh gosh,
Speaker 2: you li Fought, don't you?
Speaker 3: Because Nord But.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the same exact thing I've just he's a
Speaker 2: guy who's who can get really good command at times,
Speaker 2: get into that rhythm and just lowcate this perfectly in
Speaker 2: that one perfectly and it's great and he goes in
Speaker 2: these little stretches there and goes, well this. It reminds
Speaker 2: me of Jorn Montgomery then of just Jorn Montgomery would
Speaker 2: have these moments and then like Okay, he's great now,
Speaker 2: no no, no, hold hold on, he stills kind of a
Speaker 2: lot of problems that he still hasn't quite figured out right,
Speaker 2: And yeah, until Fought finds a proper weapon against left handers,
Speaker 2: yeah you're gonna have some problems there. I both I
Speaker 2: have both of them underneath my top eighty, believe it
Speaker 2: or not. It's also because in twelve Teamers, the way
Speaker 2: it's structured for me is at fifty to fifty five
Speaker 2: is like, these are guys I'm not dropping the entire year,
Speaker 2: like I'm drafting this, I'm not dropping them. Then after
Speaker 2: that for the next like twenty or so is all
Speaker 2: about ceiling. It's just about what who do I think
Speaker 2: is possible to be amazing for my team and not
Speaker 2: dropped ever. And I can also make a quick decision
Speaker 2: on them in the season. I can know in the
Speaker 2: first week or two and maybe even before the season
Speaker 2: starts that I am.
Speaker 3: Wanted to or not going to be decision making exactly.
Speaker 2: So they're after that group. So I'm putting them outside
Speaker 2: of that easy decision category because I don't think we're
Speaker 2: gonna see that from Thought, and with Eflyn, I have
Speaker 2: slightly higher because I do think that Eflyn will be
Speaker 2: valuable as a win guy for the Orioles. Like he's not.
Speaker 2: I think he's a Toby. He'll be fine, you know.
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of teams, especially in twelve teamers,
Speaker 2: if you draft e Flyn, you probably aren't gonna drop him.
Speaker 2: While with Thought is gonna have like a series of
Speaker 2: three games you just go what is this? What is this?
Speaker 2: And you're gonna rage quitting.
Speaker 3: Or you know, he's gonna make a lot of people
Speaker 3: look smart by starting the season with that.
Speaker 2: I just I just so I don't know, maybe we're
Speaker 2: gonna be looking super dumb and thoughts off. So I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be the greatest thing ever, But I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I think for me, I'm definitely more interested
Speaker 1: in e Flyn and it comes down to just whip.
Speaker 1: I'm really focused on Whip. The last three years, the
Speaker 1: whips are under one twenty in every season. As I
Speaker 1: pulled him up here one fifteen, one oh two, one twelve.
Speaker 1: The stuff is about average. It's a good team. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's amazing, but I think it's like an
Speaker 1: SP five or six. I think I'm more interested than
Speaker 1: you guys are personally fought. I think it's just that's
Speaker 1: interesting that.
Speaker 2: You can grind out a start whip.
Speaker 3: Whip is also underrated. When I first started, Whip was
Speaker 3: my was my darling. You know. That's how That's how
Speaker 3: I spotted the starting pitchers back in two thousand and
Speaker 3: two in my first fantasy draft, I was using whip
Speaker 3: to identify the sleepers, and then John Legaza, who writes
Speaker 3: at The Athletic, recently found that whip actually is one
Speaker 3: of the better predictive stats. Still, So I mean, what
Speaker 3: do you what are you trying to do? You're trying
Speaker 3: not to give up walks and hints in an inning.
Speaker 3: You know, probably if you're good at that, you're good.
Speaker 3: You're a good picture.
Speaker 1: The strikeouts aren't going to blow you away. It's not amazing,
Speaker 1: but I think you can stabilize some of the some
Speaker 1: of the whips later on. But we'll have to revisit
Speaker 1: this one later on. If I'm betting on this, you
Speaker 1: guys are probably right, but I'm gonna I'm gonna still
Speaker 1: draft that one here and there.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think we're both on the same
Speaker 2: page or a better. It's just not really something we're
Speaker 2: not going to target.
Speaker 3: I have thought I had, yeah, but I don't think.
Speaker 3: I don't think people are drafting them. I mean, I've
Speaker 3: fought in the like at fifty.
Speaker 2: So it's probably not yeah, right exactly.
Speaker 3: I was gonna be drafted off of my rankings.
Speaker 1: Let's finish it off with one more, a couple more
Speaker 1: darlings of mine, Christopher Sanchez and Ryan Pepio. There was
Speaker 1: some talk about Sanchez adding a pitch. I want to
Speaker 1: say it was a cutter that change up, especially in
Speaker 1: that stuff. Plus update looks really really good, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think that he's just a really good pitcher
Speaker 1: and a good situation. Pepio. I don't like him as much,
Speaker 1: but somebody that I still landed on here and there.
Speaker 1: I think the skills are still very good for both
Speaker 1: of them. Really, But Nick, let's start with you on
Speaker 1: this one. I think Sanchez peaked your interest a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think I've seen you tweet a couple of things
Speaker 1: about him. Is that your lead here?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I am excited that he's throwing a
Speaker 2: cutter because he needs one badly. He throws sinkers just like,
Speaker 2: ah whatever, he's the fast ball and I'm just like, dude,
Speaker 2: he can't. He can't do that. And have you know
Speaker 2: you're gonna have that one twenty whip again if you
Speaker 2: do that, because you're gonna have a much higher hit
Speaker 2: for nine. Oh wait, hold on a second. That sink
Speaker 2: of that as a massive ICR to right handers. Maybe
Speaker 2: if you throw that as a cutter instead and you
Speaker 2: can still have this very effective change up, like an
Speaker 2: amazing one, and then you have a cutter in said
Speaker 2: that gets out instead of the sinker that is very hittable.
Speaker 2: That makes sense to me. Also, I love the fact
Speaker 2: that Christopher Sanchez moved from outside to inside against lefties
Speaker 2: with that sinker last year. Yes, he was thrown away
Speaker 2: to lefties with a sinker with a super like twenty
Speaker 2: inch horizontal and trying to do cult strikes back door
Speaker 2: and said jamming them and it drove me up the
Speaker 2: wall and he changed it. That's great. I'm really torn
Speaker 2: because Ryan Pepio, to me, I think he's just so good.
Speaker 2: I think that fastball, I know the trop makes four
Speaker 2: seamers better and he's not going to be in that.
Speaker 2: And also the human weather is going to make the
Speaker 2: Nikey dimensions a little bit worse for pitchers that does
Speaker 2: in New York. But oh, it's such a good fastball.
Speaker 2: And the change up was an eighty grave pitch coming up,
Speaker 2: and then he lost the feel of it, and then
Speaker 2: he has it every so often for the most Brasil
Speaker 2: has it. And a slider I think is fantastic too,
Speaker 2: Like he has the three pitch mix with old sever
Speaker 2: Aino that I always really want to see guys have,
Speaker 2: and he just needs more time to get comfortable with it.
Speaker 2: And I think there's a very legitimate top twenty upside
Speaker 2: from Ryan Pepio. It's just it's not a good situation
Speaker 2: I think for him, while Sanchez is just so much safer.
Speaker 2: You know, he's going to get wins up the lazoo.
Speaker 2: You know he's gonna go deep into games. You know
Speaker 2: he's gonna have a Johnny Goodie, Right, he should have
Speaker 2: a better whip. If that's a cutter, Is he gonna
Speaker 2: have a twenty percent carry? Maybe? I hope not, but
Speaker 2: I you know, it could be better now with that cutter. Right,
Speaker 2: So I want to say Sanchez for deeper leagues and
Speaker 2: then Pepio for shallower leagues. But you know you can
Speaker 2: decide for all of us.
Speaker 3: I'm like fully in on Pepio, like I have. I
Speaker 3: have shares. I think I've done like five drafts and
Speaker 3: I have four shares. Yeah, so I'm all over Pepio
Speaker 3: where he is. If he if he gets you know,
Speaker 3: in Pa did, maybe i'lso have a hard time with him.
Speaker 3: But right now I do see that like stuff inflation
Speaker 3: going away, that could be a problem. But he had
Speaker 3: a one O eight stuff plus on the four seam,
Speaker 3: So if it's like one O three, that's still better
Speaker 3: than most starters four seams. So I think it's a
Speaker 3: really good pick. And I think, I don't know, maybe
Speaker 3: he does go in and out of the change up,
Speaker 3: but it is that was his bread and butter coming up.
Speaker 3: So I have confidency I'm gonna give him that change
Speaker 3: up and give him an elite change up. And then
Speaker 3: he really developed like a good hard gyro slider. It
Speaker 3: was really important to him because he's a little bit
Speaker 3: like I forget we were talking about Grace and Rodriguez,
Speaker 3: where he doesn't have great command of any of his pitches.
Speaker 3: And then if you if he gets behind. Before he
Speaker 3: had the hard gyroslider, he had to go to the
Speaker 3: four seam, so you the hitter would anticipate, oh, I
Speaker 3: know what pitch is coming. It's gonna be the four seam.
Speaker 3: And if it's in the zone and got spanked, and
Speaker 3: if it was out of his zone, they took it
Speaker 3: so they knew what pitch was coming. Now with the
Speaker 3: hard gyro slider, he can he has multiple pitches he
Speaker 3: can go to when he needs a strike. I think
Speaker 3: it's an amazing repertoire of like this hard sort of gyroslider,
Speaker 3: cutter thing, great four seam, great change up, bigger slider,
Speaker 3: bigger like slower breaking ball, so it's a four pitch mix.
Speaker 3: The command rose. I think you're in his rearview mirror.
Speaker 3: I think he's going to ascend into himself this year
Speaker 3: where this is like it's a little bit like Grayson,
Speaker 3: where it's like he's shown us the little parts. He's
Speaker 3: got all the stuff and everything looks pretty good. And
Speaker 3: for what it's worth, has the innings now to kind
Speaker 3: of come out and do one hundred and seventy you know,
Speaker 3: both these guys can come out and give us one
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy five innings, be in the mix, get
Speaker 3: cy young boats. This is how I think of it.
Speaker 3: I think they have that type of talent. So I'm
Speaker 3: all over reput and I don't mean to say anything
Speaker 3: bad about Sanchez, but Sanchez to me is like a
Speaker 3: Sandial Contra, which is great. It's a Sandale Contra startup kid.
Speaker 3: It's really good, but that doesn't come with that top
Speaker 3: end strikeout rate and on the front end. So until
Speaker 3: he shows me that you know that next step in
Speaker 3: terms of strikeouts, even getting it to twenty three or
Speaker 3: twenty four percent, that's when I think he had It's
Speaker 3: like ace like upside right now. Right now, it's it's
Speaker 3: Sandy in a much worse park, you know, than than
Speaker 3: Sandy had back in the day. Sandy, without necessarily knowing
Speaker 3: Sandy was like, oh, you might have a bad strike out, right,
Speaker 3: but he's gonna give me two hundred and ten innings,
Speaker 3: so I still get some good strikeouts, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you give Christopher Sanchez that yet.
Speaker 3: So I like them both, but Pepio is the guy
Speaker 3: I really love.
Speaker 2: We're in on Zandy al Kintar, right, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, especially after the other day ninety ninety nine. I mean,
Speaker 1: I hope the price doesn't jack up six rounds. But
Speaker 1: I've drafted I think I have them on four teams
Speaker 1: this year out of like I don't know, I'm a degenerate.
Speaker 1: I've drafted a bunch of gladiators and stuff. But I
Speaker 1: think I've drafted Sandy four times. It's like a one
Speaker 1: sixty eightyp. I mean, if it doesn't work out, okay,
Speaker 1: but if it does work o hell, he's probably gonna
Speaker 1: get trade.
Speaker 3: But as as with Sanchez, like with both of them,
Speaker 3: they're you know, if you're topping out a twenty percent,
Speaker 3: then you like Logan web is Loggi Wag was ranking
Speaker 3: for me. For them is like a ceiling like they're
Speaker 3: they're that kind of grouping where they're just like, y'all
Speaker 3: are all going to have like three two three three
Speaker 3: eras and a twenty percent strike out right, And that's
Speaker 3: going to be annoying in some ways and great in
Speaker 3: other ways. And it's gonna be hard for me to
Speaker 3: be like, oh, you could be a top ten pitcher
Speaker 3: in this league, like I have zero percent for that
Speaker 3: for Logan Web. I might have like a two percent
Speaker 3: for Christmas Sanchez and like an eight percent of top
Speaker 3: ten percentage ability.
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