WEBVTT - Starting Pitcher ADP Battles: Eno Sarris vs. Nick Pollack (Ep. 935) 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:08.240 What's going on? Everybody. Welcome into Fantasy Pros. This is 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:11.480 the Fantasy Baseball Podcast. I'm your host, Joe Rico, and 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:15.240 today we are starting up a very exciting series ADP battles. 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:17.360 I know that you guys get into draft rooms. Sould 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:19.400 I select player A? Should I select player B? It's 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:21.520 always a bit of a question. So today we're getting 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:23.800 it started off with starting pitchers, and I don't think 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:25.919 there's anybody better that we could have brought on than 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:28.840 Nick Pollock and Inosarus. Here as we are going to 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:32.920 be breaking down ten different starting pitcher debates. Fellas. I 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:35.480 really appreciate you making the time today. How's it going. 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:38.279 It's great. Yeah, it's good to see Joe. We love 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:40.360 this podcast. We've done it in multiple years. I think 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:42.559 with you now so and you're the reason why we 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:44.440 have the craft. So thank you appreciate. 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.920 I'm a co parent. I guess there's one out of 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:50.760 the I don't know how you'd want to put me 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:53.559 in the custody agreement there, but yeah, a conversation a 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:57.319 couple of years ago at First Pitch Arizona walking down 0:00:57.360 --> 0:00:59.680 a hallway with Eno. After we've had a couple of 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:02.760 beers talking about podcasts, and there you go. Theft the 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:04.880 craft exists now, so I'm taking some credit for that 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:07.840 at least. EMO. Thank you so much for hopping on today. Man, 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:09.280 how you doing, no problem? 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:11.319 This is my favorite time of the year. I'm in 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:18.840 Oh my god, I'm probably on the clock. I'm in 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:21.160 like three slow drafts at the same time right now. 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:24.360 We'll make a big live on the stream. It'd be great. 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:25.479 Yeah, maybe I will. 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:28.720 Maybe it'll be slow drafts, quick drafts. There's I got 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:30.560 a lot of stuff. We got tout wars tomorrow, there's 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:32.640 an auction on Thursday. There's all kinds of stuff going 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:34.360 on right now. And I know you guys are also 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:35.880 getting ready for your drafts. So we are going to 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:38.040 be breaking down a lot of starting pitcher battles today. 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:41.440 I'm using Yahoo ADP, but these are also very close 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:43.880 on a lot of different sites, but Yahoo is probably 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.080 the most popular one, so we're picking from there. But 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.720 I think these will apply regardless of where you are playing. 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:51.120 And we're gonna get start off with kind of a 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.520 hot one and it's gonna be those two pitchers who 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.360 are going in and around the first round, and there 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:57.920 will be some people who say I'm not taking a 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.360 picture in the first round one way or another. There 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:02.840 will be some people who say, whatever happens, I'm leaving 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:05.160 with an ace in those first twelve or fifteen picks. 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:07.400 So for those people, you know, we'll start with you. 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.000 They're on the clock. Let's say it's pick thirteen fourteen, 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:13.399 and you got Tarique Schooble and you got Paul Schmes 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:15.880 up there. Who are you choosing from if you are 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:17.240 going to take a picture in that range. 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:25.840 Mmm, I'm going fal Skiens. Dude, I'm going false Skins. 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:29.120 I don't, don't. It's really hard to make a decision 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:33.760 between those two. I do think there's a little whiff 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:38.720 of more health risk with Terry Skoogle. You're talking about 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:42.920 two significant arm injuries that he's undergone in the last 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:47.080 four or five years, and he has these kind of 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:51.280 cross body mechanics that he fights, and he's always trying 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:56.120 to not be his crossbody. And I don't know if 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.040 that if that's the source of it, of some of it, 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:00.799 or if you just throw that was really hard, you know. 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:03.240 That's the other aspect of it is he throws really hard. 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.640 He does have like a decent gap between. You know, 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:08.280 he's kind of one of those guys who saved something 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:12.000 in the tank and he like maxes out at like 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:14.799 ninety nine, but it kind of sits ninety six, which 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:18.040 is good. But and he seems like he's super healthy 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:21.200 right now. But I that's where I ended up kind 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:22.560 of because I think both of them in terms of 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:27.360 arsenal's below strikeout rates. You know, situations home parks even 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:30.240 are in ideal landing spots. 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:33.440 Nick, you agree or you have a different opinion. 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.480 I'm going to go with scooball and it's just more 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:41.640 for pitchability, for I trust his scoobl if I'm going 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:44.400 for the first pitch on the draft as someone's just like, yeah, 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:46.520 I know that you have a full arsenal to be 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:48.440 able to get through anything that you've showcased that you 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:51.320 can go six seven innings in games and be that 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:55.240 workers already. And what's actually really interesting at pol skiings 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:56.840 like we will watch him he go, oh yeah, this 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:59.200 guy should be like a thirty five percent strikeout easy, 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.840 no problem. You might be surprised to see that. Plv 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:05.960 our projections here pitchro List have him in a sub 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:09.240 thirty percent strike out rate, and I think that's because 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.720 the forcinger doesn't get a ton of whiffs. It's more 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:16.000 about horizontal movement surprize on that forcingers then actually allows 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.800 for more contact on it when they're laid on, it 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:20.520 kind of goes back towards the handle, which is great, 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.320 good outs, but it's not actually the big strike up 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:27.440 pitch that's a splinker really for Paul Skins and without 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:31.040 I don't know, it doesn't have an absurd whiff slider right, 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:33.880 it's good, but it's not this like, okay, cool, wait 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:37.120 for this Dylancy slider coming. It doesn't make the full 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:40.440 package quite yet for Paul Skins to say that, yes, 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:42.240 this is clearly going to be a thirty five percent 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:45.120 strike ouery guy. And then yeah, Scooble, I think is 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.839 just more of a complete thing that I feel. Yeah, 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:49.560 this is my SP one. I'm going to be totally 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:50.720 fine with us. 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.160 SP one and SP two for both of you guys though, 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:55.279 or is there really Nick? 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:57.560 Where's number two? For me? 0:04:58.279 --> 0:04:58.560 Come on? 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:00.040 Every want to watch them in spring? That game, I 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:01.920 was just like, this is yeah, it's just dumb. He's 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:02.400 just dumb. 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:04.760 We're going to get to Garrett Crochet later he is 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:06.640 one of my favorites, top five guy for me. But 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:08.960 that is something that I think you're differing from a 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:10.720 lot of the industry on there, going with Crochet at 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:12.880 number two. But I love it. I love it, don't. 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.400 I don't listen to the industry. I am the industry 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:17.240 and I'm just kidding. I just I don't let it 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:17.799 get biased. 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:20.720 That's the way to do it. You know, if you're 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:22.320 going to do your own rankings, it's good to not 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:24.200 look at anybody else's, put your own down and then 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:26.560 maybe look at other people's after see if you're way 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:28.440 too high, way too low on a guy. But that 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:29.800 is the way to do it. And you know you 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:32.760 mentioned Garret Crochet. Let's jump right into that battle. We 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.719 got a couple of former White Sox, then move to 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:38.960 Red Sox, big Lefties. There's some comparisons here. I've heard 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:42.560 Garrett Crochet refer to as Chris sale Light in some aspects, 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:44.760 and they are going Nick looks a little bit of 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:46.200 Paul there. We'll let I'm talk in a second. But 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:48.560 big Lefty. I think that's where it comes from White 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:50.200 Sox to Red Sox. I think that it doesn't go 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.160 too much farther than that, but they're both going right 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:56.360 around the same adp of thirty eight or thirty nine. Nick, 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.480 we'll start with you on this one. What do you 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:00.320 think about that? Com First of all, do you have 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:01.960 a preference between the two of them this year? I 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:02.400 guess you do. 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:05.240 I mean, I understand it going from the White Sox, 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:07.920 the Red Sox, lefties, dominant aces, all that kind of stuff. 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:12.200 Untally get it. But what Garrick Crochet does is I'd 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:15.120 like to draft pictures who you can just throw fastballs 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:19.120 for strikes and guys can't hit them, Like that's yours. 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:22.480 The stablest floor you could possibly owe for is, Yeah, 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:24.400 the guy's just gonna throw the fastballs and like, well, 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:26.960 I can't do that. And then he has a cutter 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.719 off of that that looks just similar to it, and 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.080 that was amazing just as a two pitch pitcher last year. 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.440 And then he had the sweeper moved away from the 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:37.280 traditional slider that was effective for him. He's also having 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:41.440 the sinker now that is phenomenal against lefties. I mean, 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:45.160 it's just he's dumb as a pitcher and I feel 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.000 like he should just strike out ten guys every single 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:49.960 time he pitch is better situation now in Boston. I 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.160 would even argue that those I want to say that 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.839 Fenway is worse and it's a bad place to pitch. Sure, 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.320 but my understanding is that it should actually turn a 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.640 lot of it's the left field that might be home 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:05.279 runs into doubles. And when you talk about guys, especially 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:07.719 at this kind of a level, what are the ways 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:09.400 that they actually have a bad year Ray, It's not 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.000 the doubles that burn them, it's the home runs. So 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.320 there's some sort of suppression going on for home runs 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:16.800 for greater Crochet. That's a good thing in my view, 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:18.600 because then now they're on second, I'll just right on 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:22.120 the next guy. I love Garrett Crochet. I really can't 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:24.640 express this enough. It's such a fantastic season in a 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.520 runway for him to just be the sp one and fantasy. 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:30.440 You know, we've talked, I believe on the show last year, 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:32.160 and I think it was in the Nick Paveta context 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.560 about how Fenway is a weird park to pitch, and 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:36.720 there's a lot of pitchers who don't love it. 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:37.360 Necessarily. 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:39.320 It's a little bit weird from a couple of different aspects, 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.840 it's pretty unique park, and you concern on your part 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.080 there of Crochet going to Boston and again that debate 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.239 of Crochet versus Sale, do you lean one way or another? 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:51.160 Here I ended up falling into this the situation with 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:53.960 evaluating Fenway and thinking that it's actually some of it 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:58.480 is like very sort of psychological because a lot of 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:02.320 the pictures were saying, oh, you know, the mound is lower, 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:05.120 and then when I started asking them about it, like oh, 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.280 what do you mean by that? And like where's you know, 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.840 where are you coming from? All that, they started talking 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:13.679 about things about like how close the backstop was and 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:17.160 like how there's no foul ground, and so they started 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:18.840 talking about things that had nothing to do with the 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:22.240 mound size anymore. And I realized that I just think 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:26.040 that to some there's like a psychological aspect having talk 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:30.800 to Garrett Crochet like that dude does not think like that, 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:34.640 Like he is that he like he he has you 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:37.560 can see it too. He has these dominant pitches and 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:40.720 he just throws dominant pitches. You know. He's just the 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:42.840 guy's like I just throw the I throw the ball 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:47.080 real hard, dude. And I'm not saying he doesn't have 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:49.040 touch and he can't add the sinker and all that 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:52.560 stuff is good. But like he's he's it doesn't surprise 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:54.160 me at all that he had this time as a reliever, 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:55.960 Like he kind of has that, Like I come out here, 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:57.800 I just throw my best pitches as hard as I can, 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:00.720 and I get out, you know. So I actually don't 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:03.160 think that Boston will be that much of a problem 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:06.920 for him. And what also happened was the psychology you 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:11.120 were just talking about, of consensus psychology. So I was 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:14.839 just looking at this, and you know, Nick, you know, 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:16.480 I could tell he's about to say that it's great 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:20.360 Crochet over Chrissale and I'm not along with him, nodding 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:22.400 along with him. I'm like, oh, yeah, totally, I totally 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:24.640 agree with you. I look over my rankings. I have 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:29.079 Sail ahead of Crochet and I'm like, why do I 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:30.959 have Saale ahead of Crochet? And I look across and 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:34.480 I'm like, Okay, Crochet has better stuff. Plus Crochet has 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:39.040 a lower era projected, Crochet has a higher strikeout ray projected. 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.600 What am I doing here? And then I was like, oh, 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:44.440 it's got to be innings, right, And I'm like, well, 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:47.560 I gave great Crochet one hundred and sixty two innings 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:49.120 and I gave Chris Sale one hundred and ffty six. 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:53.120 Is people cannot forget that Chris Sale is often injured 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:55.880 guy too. You know, Chris Sale was the guy before 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:58.600 Crochet that couldn't get healthy, you know, like you know, 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:04.040 So if I've got Crochet for more innings and more 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:07.640 strikeouts and a lower era, I just I just flipped 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:10.360 them in the ranks. So oh no, But is this 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:15.000 consensus that's happening? Is you know, am I not being 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.959 beholden to my to my own ranks? Is that what's happening? 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:19.280 Is this is how consensus? 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:21.920 What are the ranks vibes? 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:25.480 Guys? 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.520 It's interesting because both of them do have that kind 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.880 of injury risk to some extent. Crochet with a huge 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.800 innings jump. I understand being a little bit skeptical, and 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.959 he's also very expensive. But the talent, like you guys 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:41.000 have laid out, it's unimpeachable. He is brilliant, he really is. Nick. 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.400 I've really got to emphasize the White Sox did everything 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:47.319 you could ever dream of for Garrett Crochet to be healthy. Now, 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.720 I mean, they just let him go three four innings 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:53.560 for the entirety of the second half, despite all of 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:55.960 our fantasy teams being so upset. They didn't mean giving 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:56.640 him an opener. 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:57.560 They just give him. 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.880 But he didn't shut him down completely. They didn't like 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:04.440 pitch him. They pitched him the full season, just not 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.280 the full season, which is I think probably ideal. Like 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:10.319 you still kept him on this schedule, like made him 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:13.600 stretch out, you know, and they didn't fully stop them. 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:17.480 If you fully stop in pitching, the ramp back up 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:21.480 is so hard. Absolutely for every week that you're not 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:25.280 doing anything, there's like three weeks of getting back on track. 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.680 So we have a consensus. I think of Garrett Crochet 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:33.200 as much as Chris Sale, I think is probably fairly safe. 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:35.840 The age is a little bit worrying. You can't just 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:37.720 ignore all the things that he's done in the past. 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:40.320 There's not like, I don't think a huge like elbow 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:42.760 risk or whatever, but there's just been a lot of 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:45.440 different injuries and at his age you just never really know. 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:48.040 But that's an interesting one and it's interesting to see 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:50.280 EEno make that flip here live on the air. I 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:52.719 always love to see things like that happen before we 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:54.079 keep going. I want to remind you guys about the 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:55.839 Draft Wizard. 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One of them I'm very interested in this year, 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:26.960 and that's Jacob de Gram, And we're gonna go up 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:29.360 against Nick's guy, and that's Cole Reagan's. They're both going 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:32.720 right around ADP of forty eight in some high stakes drafts. 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.040 Jacob de Gram will go up higher. And if you 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.200 see a couple of one hundred mile an hour radar 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:40.040 gunshots who knows where main events season, we'll have him going. 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:41.920 But you know, we'll kick it back to you to 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.720 start off this one, Jacob Degram or Cole Reagan's at 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:46.120 an ADP of around forty eight. 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:48.559 You know, this is one of those ones too in 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:52.360 the in the projections, I owe lower projected era, higher 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.880 projected strikeout raid for Jake Degram. That settles it, and 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:59.319 I won't I won't wander over to the Oh, my god, 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:03.680 the inn category. My god, what is this? I mean, 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:07.200 like de Gram has like been so amazing, you know, 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:10.559 in when he's been in, but it's been like fifty innings, 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:12.920 you know, over the last three years or something. So 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:15.600 it's like, I don't know, I don't know what number 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:17.240 you put there. I put one hundred and thirty two 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.800 innings next to him. For Reagan's, I have one hundred 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:23.800 and seventy six. You know, I do think that if 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:26.880 one was like, you know, a back end rotation guy, 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:28.720 then I would take one hundred and thirty innings. I 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:32.160 still have de Grom fairly high, but when you have 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:36.520 Cole Reagan's, the extra fifty innings could be a big difference. 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:40.720 I mean that's wins. You know, you strikeouts as a quantity, 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:43.640 even if maybe by rate, de Grahm is higher. So 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:48.040 I like Reagan's a lot even in One thing that 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:50.559 did bug me was that Reagan's lost more velo over 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.199 the last last season. Of course last season than any 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:58.200 other starting pitcher. But I believe Nick said that he 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.679 had some fixes for that. He thought in his low line. 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:02.920 Yeah, I talked to Reagan's about he was saying that 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:06.160 it was more about his bottom half and not his arm, 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:08.880 which is good. He was saying it was mechanical. I 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.520 personally just think it was fatigue and effects in different ways, 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:13.320 and I think the time was a little bit different 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.760 for it. But Reagan's didn't have any like in this 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.199 off season was like, I'm fine, I'm all good. I'm 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:21.600 just I am ramping back up normally, which is fun 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:24.400 and it's weird for me to not be in on 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:28.200 the ray guns pew pew pew. But I think this 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.760 is really important of a question as a fantasy manager. 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:34.720 Are you in a draft and home, Are you in 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:38.360 a best ball league? Are you in a super deep league? 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:41.760 I personally do my rankings based on a twelve teamer, 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:45.960 and I think that's the most consistent one in the 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:50.120 twelve team or shallower or actually at wing our users 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:54.120 more than say fifteen teamers in deeper right, So with 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.240 that in mind, you have to understand that what you're 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.960 gaining with de Gram, which is not your other like 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.960 your number five starter one thirty innings, It's that you're 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:05.480 getting to Gram at five six innings, and then he stops, 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.680 and then it's Il and then you get that replacement. 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.720 And if you think about these players as a roster 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.720 spot as opposed to as a player, well, we're thinking 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:18.040 Cole Reagan's with that innings projection to be throughout the 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.600 entire season, but then it's dea Gram plus whoever you 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:24.160 get in this year, the sp pool is as deep 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:27.160 as I've ever seen it. I mean, the quality of 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:31.960 a replacement pitcher is insanely good relative to the top 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:35.080 end here. So I'm actually favoring to Graham for this 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.280 reason that I have this guy that I know is 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.840 quality and going to be absurdly good. We saw him 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:45.200 throw ninety nine in September last year, like he's good 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.600 to go. Not to mention, de Gram was a workhorse 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.920 until twenty twenty one, and then he had the precursor 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:53.400 to TJ that took him out for a little bit. 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:56.560 I think there's another injury fair, but then he had 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:59.200 the TJ after that, So it's realy two injuries to 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:02.320 me that he's had over the course of the last 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:06.520 four years, and now he has a healthy elbow. I 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.720 know that sounds weird to say, like, well, maybe du 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:10.880 Gram isn't just like destined for fifty innings or something 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:12.200 like that. I know you said one thirty two. I 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:14.280 love one thirty two. My gosh, one hundred and thirty 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:17.320 two d Grom plus whoever comes in for another forty 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:18.440 whatever it is after that. 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:22.480 Oh, oh, oh my gosh, put it around me and 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:24.440 give me some hot co coke because I'm cozy. 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.800 That's a still managed to be like back in top 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:29.640 twenty five guy last year with one hundred and thirty 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:30.400 five innings. 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:34.640 That's oh my gosh. So I'm in a da Gram. 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:38.880 I know you are Joe too, but I just think 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.920 this is such a good quality. And also know you 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.640 as a manager in May, you were going to be 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:47.120 regretting not having d Grom. You're just going to see 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:49.360 your buddy over there be like, oh, I just got 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:51.960 eight innings in twelve stregas Grom. You're like, what am 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:56.160 I doing? Why did you know? That's what it's going 0:16:56.240 --> 0:17:01.080 to be called. But hey, I'll take Cole Reagan's all 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:02.680 day too. I think he's spent on both inside of 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:04.800 my top ten. So I'm a big with. 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:06.440 With de Gram. It's like you said it, Nick, when 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:09.000 we were doing that podcast together in Arizona. It was 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:11.760 FTN podcast that you don't give me the guy who 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:13.679 has the clean elbow. He is when he's healthy, the 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:17.000 best pitcher in baseball. And I think, honestly, maybe I'm 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:18.760 reading too much into the comp but why can't he 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:20.600 do what Verlander did a couple of years ago and 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:23.000 what Chris Sale did last year at an older age 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:25.440 coming off of injuries. Everybody's kind of down and out 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:27.280 on you. Why can't Jacob to Grom be the sp 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.639 one growing one hundred and thirty and forty innings? 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.720 The list for second Tommy John's is worse. 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.160 That's the that's the problem. But it was how long 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:37.160 ago was his first Tommy John? It was a good 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:38.320 while back, wasn't It. 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:38.800 Was in college? 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:41.800 College? Right? Yeah? Does that make a difference the space 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:42.360 between them? 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.160 No, like second Timmy John. The data is weird. We're 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.639 changing how we're using the picture. 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:49.040 Two. 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.880 Yeah, it's like they don't know what to really make 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:54.120 out of second. 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:57.320 The best the best one so far is Navy vol Me. 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.280 Oh yeah about Reagan's What about Reagan's. 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:03.359 Revision? 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:06.840 I think he had he had his first one and 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:08.360 it wasn't good and they had to redo it. 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:10.800 Yeah, does that count as too or is that count 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:11.520 still counts one? 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:12.359 I don't know. 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:14.760 You're going on. 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.159 Yes, Strider is an interesting case too, because they it 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:25.600 didn't tear fully and so he got only I think 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:29.600 the internal brace, and so it's that that might be 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:30.840 a one point five. Who knows? 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:34.480 Who knows these days with the braces and the Tommy 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:36.199 I mean, we don't even with o Tani too, and 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:37.760 until I go off subject, but like, do we ever 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:42.040 even were we ever even told exactly what his procedure was? 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:44.080