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Speaker 1: What's going on? Everybody. Welcome into Fantasy Pros. This is

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Speaker 1: the Fantasy Baseball Podcast. I'm your host, Joe Rico, and

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Speaker 1: today we are starting up a very exciting series ADP battles.

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Speaker 1: I know that you guys get into draft rooms. Sould

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Speaker 1: I select player A? Should I select player B? It's

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Speaker 1: always a bit of a question. So today we're getting

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Speaker 1: it started off with starting pitchers, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's anybody better that we could have brought on than

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Speaker 1: Nick Pollock and Inosarus. Here as we are going to

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Speaker 1: be breaking down ten different starting pitcher debates. Fellas. I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate you making the time today. How's it going.

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Speaker 2: It's great. Yeah, it's good to see Joe. We love

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Speaker 2: this podcast. We've done it in multiple years. I think

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Speaker 2: with you now so and you're the reason why we

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Speaker 2: have the craft. So thank you appreciate.

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Speaker 1: I'm a co parent. I guess there's one out of

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Speaker 1: the I don't know how you'd want to put me

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Speaker 1: in the custody agreement there, but yeah, a conversation a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago at First Pitch Arizona walking down

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Speaker 1: a hallway with Eno. After we've had a couple of

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Speaker 1: beers talking about podcasts, and there you go. Theft the

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Speaker 1: craft exists now, so I'm taking some credit for that

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Speaker 1: at least. EMO. Thank you so much for hopping on today. Man,

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Speaker 1: how you doing, no problem?

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Speaker 3: This is my favorite time of the year. I'm in

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm probably on the clock. I'm in

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Speaker 3: like three slow drafts at the same time right now.

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Speaker 2: We'll make a big live on the stream. It'd be great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I will.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it'll be slow drafts, quick drafts. There's I got

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. We got tout wars tomorrow, there's

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Speaker 1: an auction on Thursday. There's all kinds of stuff going

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Speaker 1: on right now. And I know you guys are also

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Speaker 1: getting ready for your drafts. So we are going to

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Speaker 1: be breaking down a lot of starting pitcher battles today.

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Speaker 1: I'm using Yahoo ADP, but these are also very close

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Speaker 1: on a lot of different sites, but Yahoo is probably

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Speaker 1: the most popular one, so we're picking from there. But

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Speaker 1: I think these will apply regardless of where you are playing.

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna get start off with kind of a

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Speaker 1: hot one and it's gonna be those two pitchers who

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Speaker 1: are going in and around the first round, and there

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Speaker 1: will be some people who say I'm not taking a

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Speaker 1: picture in the first round one way or another. There

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Speaker 1: will be some people who say, whatever happens, I'm leaving

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Speaker 1: with an ace in those first twelve or fifteen picks.

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Speaker 1: So for those people, you know, we'll start with you.

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Speaker 1: They're on the clock. Let's say it's pick thirteen fourteen,

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Speaker 1: and you got Tarique Schooble and you got Paul Schmes

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Speaker 3: Mmm, I'm going fal Skiens. Dude, I'm going false Skins.

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Speaker 3: I don't, don't. It's really hard to make a decision

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Speaker 3: between those two. I do think there's a little whiff

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Speaker 3: of more health risk with Terry Skoogle. You're talking about

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Speaker 3: two significant arm injuries that he's undergone in the last

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Speaker 3: four or five years, and he has these kind of

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Speaker 3: cross body mechanics that he fights, and he's always trying

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Speaker 3: to not be his crossbody. And I don't know if

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Speaker 3: that if that's the source of it, of some of it,

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Speaker 3: or if you just throw that was really hard, you know.

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Speaker 3: That's the other aspect of it is he throws really hard.

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Speaker 3: He does have like a decent gap between. You know,

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Speaker 3: he's kind of one of those guys who saved something

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Speaker 3: ninety nine, but it kind of sits ninety six, which

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Speaker 3: right now. But I that's where I ended up kind

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Speaker 1: Nick, you agree or you have a different opinion.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go with scooball and it's just more

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Speaker 2: for pitchability, for I trust his scoobl if I'm going

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Speaker 2: for the first pitch on the draft as someone's just like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know that you have a full arsenal to be

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Speaker 2: our projections here pitchro List have him in a sub

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Speaker 2: package quite yet for Paul Skins to say that, yes,

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Speaker 2: this is clearly going to be a thirty five percent

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Speaker 2: just more of a complete thing that I feel. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is my SP one. I'm going to be totally

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Speaker 1: SP one and SP two for both of you guys though,

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Speaker 1: or is there really Nick?

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Speaker 2: Where's number two? For me?

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Speaker 1: Come on?

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Speaker 2: Every want to watch them in spring? That game, I

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Speaker 2: was just like, this is yeah, it's just dumb. He's

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Speaker 1: We're going to get to Garrett Crochet later he is

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Speaker 1: one of my favorites, top five guy for me. But

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Speaker 1: that is something that I think you're differing from a

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Speaker 1: lot of the industry on there, going with Crochet at

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Speaker 1: number two. But I love it. I love it, don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't listen to the industry. I am the industry

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Speaker 2: and I'm just kidding. I just I don't let it

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Speaker 1: That's the way to do it. You know, if you're

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Speaker 1: look at anybody else's, put your own down and then

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Speaker 1: Red Sox, big Lefties. There's some comparisons here. I've heard

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Speaker 1: Garrett Crochet refer to as Chris sale Light in some aspects,

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Speaker 1: and they are going Nick looks a little bit of

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Speaker 1: Paul there. We'll let I'm talk in a second. But

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Speaker 1: big Lefty. I think that's where it comes from White

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Speaker 2: I mean, I understand it going from the White Sox,

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Speaker 2: the Red Sox, lefties, dominant aces, all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Untally get it. But what Garrick Crochet does is I'd

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Speaker 2: like to draft pictures who you can just throw fastballs

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Speaker 2: for strikes and guys can't hit them, Like that's yours.

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Speaker 2: The stablest floor you could possibly owe for is, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the guy's just gonna throw the fastballs and like, well,

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Speaker 2: I can't do that. And then he has a cutter

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Speaker 2: that was amazing just as a two pitch pitcher last year.

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Speaker 2: And then he had the sweeper moved away from the

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Speaker 2: traditional slider that was effective for him. He's also having

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Speaker 2: the sinker now that is phenomenal against lefties. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's just he's dumb as a pitcher and I feel

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Speaker 2: runs into doubles. And when you talk about guys, especially

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Speaker 2: that they actually have a bad year Ray, It's not

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Speaker 2: for greater Crochet. That's a good thing in my view,

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Speaker 2: because then now they're on second, I'll just right on

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Speaker 2: the next guy. I love Garrett Crochet. I really can't

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Speaker 2: express this enough. It's such a fantastic season in a

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Speaker 2: runway for him to just be the sp one and fantasy.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've talked, I believe on the show last year,

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Speaker 1: and I think it was in the Nick Paveta context

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Speaker 1: about how Fenway is a weird park to pitch, and

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of pitchers who don't love it.

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Speaker 2: Necessarily.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit weird from a couple of different aspects,

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Speaker 1: of Crochet versus Sale, do you lean one way or another?

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Speaker 3: Here I ended up falling into this the situation with

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Speaker 3: evaluating Fenway and thinking that it's actually some of it

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Speaker 3: is like very sort of psychological because a lot of

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Speaker 3: that to some there's like a psychological aspect having talk

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Speaker 3: to Garrett Crochet like that dude does not think like that,

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Speaker 3: Like he is that he like he he has you

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Speaker 3: can see it too. He has these dominant pitches and

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Speaker 3: he just throws dominant pitches. You know. He's just the

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Speaker 3: guy's like I just throw the I throw the ball

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Speaker 3: real hard, dude. And I'm not saying he doesn't have

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Speaker 3: touch and he can't add the sinker and all that

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Speaker 3: me at all that he had this time as a reliever,

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Speaker 3: Like he kind of has that, Like I come out here,

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Speaker 3: I just throw my best pitches as hard as I can,

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Speaker 3: and I get out, you know. So I actually don't

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Speaker 3: think that Boston will be that much of a problem

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Speaker 3: for him. And what also happened was the psychology you

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Speaker 3: just looking at this, and you know, Nick, you know,

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Speaker 3: I could tell he's about to say that it's great

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Speaker 3: Sail ahead of Crochet and I'm like, why do I

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Speaker 3: have Saale ahead of Crochet? And I look across and

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Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, Crochet has better stuff. Plus Crochet has

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Speaker 3: a lower era projected, Crochet has a higher strikeout ray projected.

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Speaker 3: What am I doing here? And then I was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: it's got to be innings, right, And I'm like, well,

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Speaker 3: I gave great Crochet one hundred and sixty two innings

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Speaker 3: and I gave Chris Sale one hundred and ffty six.

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Speaker 1: here's an interesting one. We're gonna pit a couple of

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Speaker 1: With de Gram. It's like you said it, Nick, when

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Speaker 2: still amazing PLV marks and everything. And I think it's

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00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 2: because Batters became ready for it. Finally they knew that

433
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,320
Speaker 2: Logan Web was just like, I'm going to throw sixty

434
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,199
Speaker 2: change ups in a game guy, So he actually had

435
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,560
Speaker 2: to change what he was doing a bit and worked

436
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,399
Speaker 2: in a bit more of those sliders involved with obviously

437
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,119
Speaker 2: the sink or two and it kind of and it worked.

438
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 2: But I feel like now Web can come back and

439
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,720
Speaker 2: get better luck on that change up with his better

440
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,200
Speaker 2: mix now and just I like them both. By the

441
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 2: end of the day. I feel like Web, we saw

442
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 2: a one oh six whip and then we saw the

443
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,440
Speaker 2: one twenty three, and it's just yeah, you are going

444
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 2: to allow more hits because you are a ground ball guy.

445
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 2: Ground ball guy, right, that's just your nature. While Imanaga

446
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 2: is extreme flyball Rickley helps him, uh, and it's it

447
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 2: generally seems to me you have a better whip with Managa.

448
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 2: Maybe he's close to the same strikeouts just due to

449
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 2: a volume of Web, but there's more potential of Web

450
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 2: hurting you for a full year like his one twenty three.

451
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 2: What did over as many innings as he did than

452
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,360
Speaker 2: in Minaga, who would have to be more of the

453
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 2: era side of the home. It's really become a massive

454
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 2: problem from over the years. So that's why I'm leaning

455
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:29,879
Speaker 2: in Minaga over Web.

456
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 1: You know, you got a stuff plus got a little

457
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 1: bit of facelift recently and Logan webs change up is

458
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 1: at one oh nine. Now that is his best pitch

459
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 1: according to Stuff. Is that where you're leaning into that

460
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,679
Speaker 1: change up with Web? Or are you going on the

461
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 1: Emanaga side here?

462
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 3: This is This is amazing because it's like a philosophical question.

463
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 3: I mean, this is this is a there's a path.

464
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 1: On the road.

465
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 3: These these these pictures are not the same. Oh this

466
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,159
Speaker 3: is Logan Web is a throwback back to you know,

467
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 3: the eighties when we had lower strikeout rates and everybody

468
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,479
Speaker 3: wanted a great change up like he has. And you know,

469
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,719
Speaker 3: Shota is like kind of like where we went with

470
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 3: the sport after that. You know, high ride for seamer

471
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 3: of a splitter coming off of it and more strikeouts

472
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 3: and homers, and you know, I'm a little surprised. The

473
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 3: whips conversation is interesting because ground botherers do have higher

474
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 3: whips usually, but they're projected for like a difference of

475
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:38,439
Speaker 3: like one one point one ish for for Shota and

476
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 3: like one point one four ish for Webs. So like,

477
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 3: and I could look at last year's number for Web

478
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,880
Speaker 3: and say, well, they didn't really have a shortstop all year,

479
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 3: and now they're gonna have Willie Damis, and like the

480
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 3: guy that was their shortstop is going to be much

481
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 3: better defensively at the second base. This might be a

482
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 3: way better defensive infield, you know, all around. Just with

483
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 3: that that change, and then I just have in terms

484
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 3: of projections, I have a like three point five for

485
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 3: Logan Web and Era and a three point nine three

486
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 3: point eight eight for Showta, So like, I'm going to

487
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 3: take that, and I think that that bulk is where

488
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 3: I get some of those strikeouts back. And sometimes when

489
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 3: you're think of talking about like you know, a roster

490
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 3: slot versus a player, I think about this also, like

491
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 3: if you play in a weekly league and you have

492
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 3: the choice between Logan Web and someone might give up

493
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 3: more homers or a reliever for example, And some people

494
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 3: might say, well, a Logan Web start, you may not

495
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 3: get more strikeouts than a reliever. The problem is that

496
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 3: Logan Web goes seven deep a lot, you know, and

497
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 3: so yes, his strikeout per batter might not be like great,

498
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 3: but in terms of a roster slot for that week,

499
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 3: you can still expect five or six strikeouts. Can you

500
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 3: expect five or six strikeouts from a reliever that you

501
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 3: put it in there instead?

502
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:56,959
Speaker 1: I don't know.

503
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 3: Maybe sometimes not always, Sometimes they get us once, you know.

504
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 3: So in terms of like a roster spot, what you

505
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 3: can get when you put Logan Web in is a

506
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 3: really good chance to win five or six strikeouts really

507
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 3: low lyra I think that's really dependable. And what I

508
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 3: find also is that there are more sort of health

509
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 3: risks that are super exciting in the top in like

510
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 3: the first ten fifteen than usual, or maybe just just

511
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 3: where the game is headed. Your crochets and your sales.

512
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 3: Like those guys, if you started with a crochet, you

513
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 3: should probably back them up with the Logan Web as

514
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 3: opposed to backing up with Showtai Monic. I think because

515
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 3: you're starting to layer risk a little bit. So I

516
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 3: just love Logan Web in this like grouping of kind

517
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 3: of like Pablo Lopez, Aaron Nola, like, you know, these

518
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 3: guys are going to be pretty good and give you

519
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,959
Speaker 3: a lot of innings and could really back you up

520
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 3: really nicely if you took.

521
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: A risk of your first guy very high floor. Yeah,

522
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: like at the grom webpairing. I kind of like that

523
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 1: if you do something like that, I kind of dig it, Nick,

524
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: What do you think I mean?

525
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 5: Oh man, I call it by the way, I moved

526
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 5: Web back and forth multiple times, and I had like

527
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 5: Webin and Minaga close and I think by the end

528
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 5: I had it not too far away.

529
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 2: It is interesting to hear about, right, adamis coming in

530
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: at shore. You got Chapman there third two. That does

531
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: make me more inclined than again, he's always pretty much

532
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 2: had this eight hyper nine. It's just like, it's what

533
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 2: Web does. And I don't want to get too optimistic

534
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 2: that Web is going to figure out exactly which what

535
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 2: is pitch mix is last year.

536
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 3: The cutter is good, I think the cutter is good,

537
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 3: and the cutter is going to be That's that's that's

538
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 3: what the upside is. If the cutter is good, I

539
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 3: could see him pushing the strike out right to like

540
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 3: twenty two to twenty three. He's done that before, right,

541
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 3: So the other aspect is that something I wasn't really

542
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 3: working to my rankings about in Monaga. But I just

543
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 3: it's just in my head is that your we do

544
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 3: see Japanese pitchers in their second year be affected by

545
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 3: the increased to workload the previous year, right they And

546
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 3: I didn't want to act on that because I am

547
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 3: actually really optimistic on you know, it's just overall skill set,

548
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,479
Speaker 3: like it just works, this works really well. I'm not

549
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 3: gonna I don't. I personally don't have that three to nine,

550
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 3: which I get because of the home run rates. But

551
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 3: even with the amazing season of storr of the year

552
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 3: that Monaga had last year, it was still a fantastic

553
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 3: run Even after and including that what Niner running game

554
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 3: and all those others, it was still like a three

555
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 3: four year a after that. So including that blow up,

556
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 3: I just think that Managa is just those three pitches work.

557
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: That's that's good and that will get over velocity and everything.

558
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 2: It works.

559
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 3: I think the fast is getible and that his like

560
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 3: brand of high ride fastball is like more and more

561
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 3: gettible for hitters, like they more they now have a

562
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 3: strategy when it comes to ride.

563
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 2: They know what you're doing.

564
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 3: I target at the top half of the ball. I

565
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 3: do this, I had this move, I have this, I

566
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 3: do this. I'm I'm flattered with my swing whatever it is.

567
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 3: I think that they've all figured out coping mechanisms for

568
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 3: that type of fastball, and then if you take away

569
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 3: some of the power of the ride, what you got

570
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 3: left is a ninety one mile on our fastball.

571
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

572
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 2: The rule of thumb, I mean, I can't really go

573
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 2: against this, you know, because I think your real thumb

574
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: is do they throw ninety bye? I'm out. It's a

575
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 2: pretty good rule. Oh man, what is webs? It's like

576
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: ninety two? Right, ninety two? Ninety three? Yeah?

577
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: Okay, who well you managa no, no, no, web.

578
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: But it's a sinker, really not. He doesn't throw his

579
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: sports anymore. Thankfully he doesn't should not touch it.

580
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 3: Still, it still got about a mile per hour on chota.

581
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 2: Okay.

582
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: Also, am I the only one who occasionally in my

583
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: head we'll say, Brandon web? Is that just a me thing?

584
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 2: I'll go to sleep saying it.

585
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: I just called it.

586
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 3: Chris Chris Bryant, Kobe Bryan Pond this morning.

587
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: That's right, I MA, that's awesome. Let's keep it going

588
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 1: and we're gonna lean heavily into injury risk here at

589
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: ADP of around eighty six. Max Freed versus Tyler Glass. Now,

590
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 1: you know you, when we did a show together, the

591
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: same kind of show last year, you listed off all

592
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: the things that Max Freed had wrong with him and

593
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 1: the chances of elbow injuries recurring. He's dealt with four

594
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: arm problems the last couple of seasons. I'm kind of

595
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: worried about him. But then there's Tyler Glass now, who

596
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: doesn't exactly give you that warm and fuzzy feeling. So

597
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: if forced to choose between these two, let's call it

598
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: the fifth, sixth, seventh round kind of range, depending on

599
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 1: leagu's siye, who are you leaning with? Between Max Freed

600
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: and Tyler Glass? Now?

601
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 3: I have them literally next to each other, and I

602
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 3: have Glass now one spot ahead.

603
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

604
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: I just I think there's been the reading between the lines.

605
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 3: I think there's been good news. And sometimes we're not

606
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 3: doctors and we have to play along and try to

607
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 3: figure these things out. But you know, he went on

608
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: a radio show Tyler Glass now did during the playoffs

609
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 3: and said, yeah, no, everything's fine. And then and then

610
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 3: when he first reported the spring, he said something like Yeah,

611
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 3: it wasn't ever torn or anything. It was just, you know,

612
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 3: all the news has been good so far and I

613
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 3: had and I feel good. So that's and then I

614
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 3: what I can point to is that he was kind

615
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 3: of I think it was like the twenty first best

616
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: starting pitcher last year if you look retroactively, and I

617
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 3: if you look under the hood, he could have done

618
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 3: better than he had last year, like a three four

619
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,959
Speaker 3: five ERA with all the strikeouts he could have, Like

620
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 3: Sierra says, he deserved a two ninety RA, you know,

621
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 3: and Sierra's actually a pretty powerful stat for how old

622
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 3: it is and uh it's skill indiactive era on Fangrass

623
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 3: and it's still a pretty pretty powerful, pretty predictive stat

624
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 3: two ninety RA. So if Gosta comes back and only

625
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 3: gives you, only gives you one hundred and thirty five innings,

626
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 3: but this year it's more like the three ten or

627
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: the two ninety that he deserved last year, then he's

628
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: going to be better than the twenty first pitcher at

629
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 3: the end of the season and he's going around there.

630
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: So you know, that's where your upside is is same

631
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 3: as last year. Totals wise, with Freed, I do have

632
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: more innings for him, but I have an era that's

633
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 3: projected to be higher like A like you know, a

634
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 3: third of three point three higher. And I have FREEDA

635
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 3: has never given the strikeout rate that a Glass now does.

636
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 3: So you have to think about that too. Is that

637
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 3: like if they if you give both the same amount of innings,

638
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 3: you're going to get like twenty fewer strikeouts from from

639
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: Freed And that's a category.

640
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: So any ballpark concerns the Yankee Stadium.

641
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 3: I mean the ball flies out of Atlanta to to

642
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 3: some degree. And there's something he's I think he does

643
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 3: have some homer suppression in his arsenal, and I think

644
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 3: it's friendlier to left handed batters in New York and

645
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 3: he's lefty, Like what do you think I think it'll

646
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 3: be all?

647
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm favorable and both they're both inside my

648
00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 2: top fifteenth and the two spots separating. It goes back

649
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: to the initial thing before is do you want are

650
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: you in a shallow in a league that you want

651
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: to go for the quality per game. It might be

652
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: a little bit different though with Glass now, because you

653
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: might see a six mint rotation, you might see them

654
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: skiff a start or so as opposed to just a

655
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: flat IL stint, and that has me a little not

656
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: as into that as I would want to be for

657
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 2: Glas now. For that reason, I think Max Freed is

658
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: just massively undervalued. He had a three thirty eight ARRA

659
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: last year and everyone goes, oh my god, oh it's terrible,

660
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: and that was the highest he's had in I think

661
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: ages and maybe his rookie season. He's also someone that

662
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: needs to rev up, and we see this every single

663
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: April typically, but then he won the IL and then

664
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: he needed a couple of starts to actually get back

665
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: to where he was and that's the difference of his

666
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: era is really him coming back from the IL and

667
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: reving up again, and that's it's Max Freed. He also

668
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: has room to grow even with this change up that

669
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: used to be there a bit. It lagged behind him

670
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,479
Speaker 2: against rities, also dealing with lefties with a little stranger

671
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: last year. Honestly, I think he's just gonna throw more

672
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: cutters inside of lefties and sorry not cutters as sinkers

673
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: inside of lefties and that should be great. I also

674
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: want to point out that the i L injury that

675
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: he had, I als think that Max Freed had was inflammation,

676
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: not a tear. It wasn't a strain in that time either,

677
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: And the Yankees signing him the way that they did

678
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: would not be doing that if they felt that this

679
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 2: was actually a ticking time bomb of an elbow injury.

680
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: So I have a lot of faith in this and

681
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: I see it as this is such a.

682
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 3: Great way that flexor injury was. It was not a

683
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 3: strange just better with Freed. The flexor injury was not

684
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 3: a strain, it was it was a arm.

685
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: Elbow inflammation is what I have here. You're talking about

686
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: the one before, the previous Yeah, yeah, the one before

687
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: I'm talking about last year's Okay, that was elbow information.

688
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: So I am talking to Stephen Lyman about strains. Strains

689
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: in the past two they heal, and if they're healed,

690
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: then they're good. We've seen that from Zach Wheeler. We've

691
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: seen that from Zach Allen, and I feel good about

692
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: this right now in this way of just what Max

693
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: Free's health is. So I think this is an amazing

694
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: situation right now. He's on the Yankees, which obviously not

695
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: much different from Atlanta. But this is your like e

696
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 2: a whip king with you know, strike out an ending

697
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: like tons of winds. I love this from Max Free

698
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 2: getting him everywhere I can. It's just kind of do

699
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: I want the upside quality per inning with glasnow more?

700
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: And so I think I have Freed eleven and glassnow

701
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 2: at thirteen just.

702
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: To be Devil's advocate, Like, you know, do the repetitive

703
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: injuries to the arm, whether it's strange like however, whatever

704
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: the severity is, do the year on year injuries to

705
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: the arm combined with the new destination do they maybe

706
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: give you some pause? Oh?

707
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. And that did factor in a little bit.

708
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 3: And so I've had this, I've read this period research

709
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 3: that suggests that that forearm strains are precursors to Tommy John.

710
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 3: So it's just sort of what we've seen in the marketplace.

711
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 3: But you know, there's a couple of interesting things about that.

712
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 3: Is there something underlying in the mechanics that's doing this

713
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 3: that's rather than the actual injury leading to the next thing,

714
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like they doing something wrong

715
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 3: that then leads to TJ rather than the actual injury

716
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 3: leading to the next So I think that's really interesting

717
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: from linement about you know, what happens once this thing

718
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 3: is healed. The other aspect of this is like there's

719
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: a philosophical question is like how long does something matter

720
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 3: to you in terms of health? Because we have Zach

721
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 3: Wheeler to a lot of people's annoyment annoyance. In my rankings,

722
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 3: I've been using Jeff Zimmermann's health ratings and Zach Wheeler

723
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 3: has the same health rating. I forget who was there's

724
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 3: two seventy seven percenters.

725
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 2: They were like, yeah, that's a low one though.

726
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 3: Seventy seven, Yeah, it's seventy seven is a little bit low.

727
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 3: They just thought that's low. Let me see who it

728
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 3: could have been. Got Ryan Pepio at seventy seven, Ronaldo

729
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 3: Lopez at seventy six, Gavin Williams at seventy seven. So yeah,

730
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 3: do you think of Wheelers healthier than those guys? And

731
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 3: I think most people, if you didn't show them anything,

732
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 3: would say, hey, yeah, yeah, Wheeler's a study's a horse,

733
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 3: he's a guy. But then one of the inputs into

734
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 3: Zimmerman's thing is have you ever had an arm injury

735
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 3: or have you ever had dj you know, like, how

736
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 3: many elbow injuries have you had? Period? And not how

737
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 3: long ago were they? They he does have a little

738
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 3: separation where he's like, have you ever had it? And

739
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 3: then you have had it in the last two years.

740
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 3: If you had the last two years, it's worse. If

741
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 3: you've ever had it, it's still in there. So that's

742
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 3: that's what I wonder. How much of that is true?

743
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 3: Is it still in there somewhere? Is there something in

744
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 3: Maxwreeths mechanics that lead that led to that strain that

745
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 3: will lead to something worse later? You know? Is it

746
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: still in there somehow even if the thing itself has healed.

747
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 3: I don't know the answer to that, and I think

748
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 3: that's what makes health forecasting so hard. But since you're

749
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 3: comparing him to an other guy who gets hurt a lot,

750
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 3: you know, I have a difference in innings of like

751
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 3: twenty innings. To me, once that happens, I'm I'm like, Okay,

752
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 3: neither these guys gets an a for me health wise,

753
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 3: So I'll just take I'll just take what I think

754
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 3: will better innings in glass.

755
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: Now, is there something to be said about a picture

756
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: who has just been healthy for so many years then

757
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: they're just kind of due for an injury? There is

758
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: that just I know it's not analytical. It's not about

759
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: the speed or about anything like that. But is there

760
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: something to be said about He's been healthy for six

761
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: years in a row. Pictures can't stay healthy. He's just due.

762
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: Is that? Is that crazy to say? You know?

763
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: The worst thing that we do as analysts is trying

764
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: and figure out health and volume. It's just oh gosh.

765
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: You know.

766
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, really everybody listening

767
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: is go with your gut about it. I sandye al

768
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: Qatara is just all right, here's a horse.

769
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 3: He's a horse's horse, and then he goes down. Verlander

770
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 3: pitched so many innings.

771
00:36:55,040 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: Right, it's just you can't, you can't, and good luck everyone.

772
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 3: Generally good though. I think that's good.

773
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: We'll be here when you need someone. When they go down,

774
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: come talk to us.

775
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,920
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776
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785
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna be a little bit more rapid fire in

786
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: the second half here or else they're going to start

787
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: yelling at me for going long on this one. But

788
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: let's go on to Luis Castillo versus Spenser Schwellenbach and

789
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 1: Nick we'll start with you on this one.

790
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, okay, I've been I got myself a little

791
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 4: bit lower on Schwellenbach talking to Eric Smolski because he said,

792
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 4: who are the most who are the pictures who are

793
00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 4: most likely to be busts?

794
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: It's like, oh damn, Spencer Schollenbach. And I love what

795
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 2: Schwallenbach does. He has a white arsenal, multiple whip pitches,

796
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: throws ninety six. You like that, you know it's ninety six.

797
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: It's great, but it actually is the more hittable fastball,

798
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: which is weird. And also, as if, I don't like

799
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: ninety six either, But it's a great situation. And Atlanta's

800
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 2: gonna go every five days gonna gets some wins. It's

801
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: all there. And I'm a big fan of Spencer Swallenbach,

802
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 2: while with Luis Castillo, it seems so strange to me

803
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 2: to have Nola, Gallon and Castillo outside of my top

804
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: thirty for the first time ever, just because these are

805
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: all pitchers to me, who yes, they will be productive

806
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: for your teams. It's just what is the line of Hey,

807
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: twelve teamer versus fifteen teamer? What kind of whip and

808
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 2: earra am I okay? With what kind of risk am

809
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 2: I putting myself into them getting worse as opposed to

810
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 2: be better? And with Castillo, we saw the degrading fastball,

811
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 2: We've seen his change of just not be the pitch

812
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 2: that it used to be. It all has all, it

813
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 2: has all the signs of this getting worse before things improve.

814
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 2: So I have Swallenbach ahead of Castillo. I don't know

815
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 2: if I love that. I am going to assume that

816
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: Seattle being the anti Corps is still going to be

817
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: a thing, so at least you've got that going for you.

818
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: But I just think that Spencer Swellenbach is a super

819
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 2: talented arm who has all the tools at his disposal.

820
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 2: Really good command too, and is just primed to be

821
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 2: that fantastic hundred and seventy inning guy that you wanted

822
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: to be.

823
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: Still worries me. The fastball velo has gone down each

824
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: of the last three seasons. The swinging strike rate went

825
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: way down. I worry a little bit about starting him

826
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 1: away from home. At home, You're not worried at all,

827
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: but the splits between I mean, all Mariner's pitchers were

828
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 1: very drastic home and away last year. You know, any

829
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: concern about Castillo now as he's into his mid kind

830
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: of thirties versus the up and ascending specter Swellenbach.

831
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: Oh, as an older man myself, Yes, I'm concerned about that.

832
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: But you know, one thing that was really strange about

833
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 3: his season last year was that he for some reason

834
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 3: started throwing the slider softly. And I don't know, I

835
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 3: think he actually even said something that like somebody told

836
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 3: him it would be better that way, and so he

837
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 3: kind of opened the season with a slider in the

838
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 3: eighty fives and eighty five is kind of a magic

839
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 3: number where all sliders are better after over eighty five,

840
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 3: And I don't really know why he was doing that,

841
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 3: And at some point he started throwing it hard again,

842
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 3: and he was doing it more sort of eighty eight,

843
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 3: eighty seven, eighty eight like he used to. And if

844
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 3: you just kind of cut the season off where he

845
00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 3: started throwing the slider harder, you get better numbers overall.

846
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 3: You get a what is this here, a twenty four

847
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 3: percent k rate, you know, and you get a three

848
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: five ERA. And I think that, like just generally he's

849
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 3: better with that, with that side of the way it

850
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 3: was he figured that part out. I'd like his arsenal.

851
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 3: I know his change up isn't as good, but I

852
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 3: think he still has change up sinker in him. And

853
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 3: he also has four seam slider. I think he's got

854
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 3: such a high floor because of his park. I have

855
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 3: him comfortably ahead of schwan Bach. I don't know where necessarily.

856
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 3: Maybe the three seven five RA projection for Schwambach is off,

857
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 3: but that's the number I've got, And so schwam Black

858
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 3: is more, you know, around Hunter Green for me, which

859
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,479
Speaker 3: is love them, excited about them, but down a little

860
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 3: bit lower, whereas Luis Castillo is back in that Pablo

861
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 3: Lopez logan web area where I'm like, this is really

862
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 3: bankable innings. I just think it's it's it's again. It's

863
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 3: a floor versus ceiling argument again, like Nick has been saying,

864
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 3: it's right, the smaller league, the less you care about floor.

865
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 3: My biases are towards deeper leagues. I do care about floor.

866
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 3: So that's that that I'll show up in my rankings.

867
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: It's totally fair. Let's keep it going. And this one

868
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: is also more of a younger guy versus an older

869
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: guy type of argument. Grayson Rodriguez and Sonny Gray. Grayson

870
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: Rodriguez hasn't really turned into that ace level pitcher like

871
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people thought he was going to, at

872
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: least not initially. Still absolutely potential for it, but he

873
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: hasn't quite lived up to expectations. Sonny Gray just had

874
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: one of his best seasons at age of thirty five

875
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: or thirty six. He hit the thirty percent strikeout right.

876
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: Nick and I were talking about this before we started recording,

877
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: just really fantastic stuff. It's kind of a tricky one

878
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 1: going right around pick one hundred and five. This one

879
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: we will start with Eno. I've probably mixed it up

880
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: who I'm starting with on each one here, but let's

881
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: we'll go back to Eno for this one. Spccer.

882
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 3: We're supposed to be faster too. We're supposed to be fast,

883
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 3: all right, So this early two for me, it's super

884
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 3: super easy. I want Grayson Rodriguez. I can't believe that

885
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 3: they're actually next to each other in the rankings. I

886
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 3: don't know this. It actually sort of boggles my mind

887
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 3: a little bit. I do think that what happened with

888
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 3: Sunny Gray is that he started throwing that sweeper like

889
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 3: forty percent of the time so much, so much, and

890
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 3: what we saw in the playoffs, or it was the

891
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 3: playoffs last year or just the end of the season

892
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 3: or the playoffs before, we've seen We've seen batters start

893
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 3: to get better at that. We've seen the batters get

894
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 3: better at sweepers across the league generally every year they

895
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 3: reach at them less and they swing at them more

896
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 3: on the strike zone, and so they're getting used more

897
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 3: used to the sweeper shape. So I think that's going

898
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 3: to happen for him this year. I think that like, yes,

899
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 3: it is this one great shining duel he has, which

900
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 3: is this amazing breaking ball, but everything around it is

901
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 3: not as great anymore. He's getting older. Grayson Rodriguez has

902
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 3: has come to camp with the sweeper. The one thing

903
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 3: he was missing was something that got right. He's out.

904
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 3: He has reverse splits because he has a great change up.

905
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 3: But you're telling me, I now have a guy the

906
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 3: four seam, a sinker. He can maybe even bring the

907
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 3: cutter back in. Gotta have a sweeper, and he has

908
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 3: a plus change. That's a big wide arsenal with Velo

909
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: with command. I think he's you know, I think last

910
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 3: year when we did this, we had a question of like,

911
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 3: who's somebody that's outside of the top twenty five that

912
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 3: could jump in. That's Grace and Rodriguez from me. In fact,

913
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 3: he's in my top twenty five because I think this

914
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 3: is the year for him. I think he's just on

915
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 3: the cusp of a breakout.

916
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. I mean, Grayson Arreganz doesn't

917
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: need to have that cutter. He used to throw one,

918
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 2: but it was like eighty six. It wasn't like a

919
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 2: hard cutter. And for an elite extension guy like Grasa Arriguez,

920
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 2: it throws ninety six plus. I think he throws ninety eight,

921
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: like what works out that you know, ninety three or

922
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 2: something and just just slightly different to get that strip

923
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: pick because that's what's happening with Grayson Rodriguez. He doesn't

924
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 2: have reliable strip pitches outside of that fastball, and the

925
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 2: fastball should be missing all these bats, but it's not

926
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: because the guys are just going up there and looking

927
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 2: for the fastballs. Why this changeup that is not located

928
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: well right now to lefties is doing so well because

929
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: they're just selling out for that heater a ton and

930
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: having something that's a little bit more deceptive at the

931
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 2: near velocity ban like a sinker. I would say against

932
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: right handers, two is going to do wonders for him.

933
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 2: And I have to imagine, even though the cutter is

934
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 2: the legendary thing of the Baltimore orioles Bane, I guess whatever,

935
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: over the years where they banned them from throwing them,

936
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: I think they're a little bit more more. They liked

937
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: it a lot more than they used to. Now with

938
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 2: Sunny Gray. What's crazy is you can look at put

939
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: away rates just for strikeouts. He had a thirty percent

940
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: strike out right out of nowhere, and you can just

941
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 2: look at how efficient in a two strike count, how

942
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: often does this pitch strike the batter route That is

943
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: a putaway rate. Let me see like twenty five percent.

944
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: It's like, oh man, that's really good. Good job. Twenty

945
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 2: eight percent on the sweeper last year you got underneath lefties.

946
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 2: But the sinker to four seamers had forty percent. And

947
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 2: it's not like he thok like five of them like

948
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 2: he did backdoor sinkers to right handers, and a forty

949
00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:00,280
Speaker 2: percent rate is just absurd. There's I've never actually seen

950
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 2: that on a regularly used pitch.

951
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 3: So that's going to be pitching backwards in a way

952
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 3: like he's. Yeah, they're all keyed in on the sweeper

953
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 3: because he's throwing it so often, so he's and then.

954
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 2: Van there comes to the sinker back door and it's like, oh,

955
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: that's going to be a thing now, okay, cool, great,

956
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 2: we're going to change this and I'll let it be

957
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 2: forty percent called strike strike three here, So yes, you're

958
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 2: gonna see that put away rate get worse, which means

959
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: the strike every gets worse, which means Sunny Gray is

960
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 2: and that great and then yeah, Chris is gonna be ace.

961
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: So can't wait unanimous. I mean I came in kind

962
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: of thinking it's close, but you guys have kind of

963
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: talked me talked me off the sunny Gray ledge. I

964
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 1: think I am going to be more on the Grayson's side.

965
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: I look at the career numbers and I think they

966
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: like they leave a bit to be desired. If like

967
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 1: the average person is going to look and say, okay,

968
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: it's a four eleven era is a one twenty nine

969
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: career whip. I think the average person will be kind

970
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: of put off if they're not digging deep. But that's

971
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: why we do these shows. Ladies and gentlemen. Make sure

972
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: you're subscribing so you can get all the greatest intel.

973
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: Let's keep it going though, and we're gonna talk about

974
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: a couple of guys who have switched jerseys over the years,

975
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: guys that have at various times both been close to

976
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: my heart, and that's Robbie Ray and Kevin Gosman.

977
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 2: It's far and away Robbi Ray to me, I think

978
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: he's a much better pitcher since since with the Jay's

979
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 2: and then going off to Seattle. I mean, he's been stellar.

980
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 2: He came back from Tommy John last year, had like

981
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 2: one or two weird starts, but otherwise was great. And yeah,

982
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 2: he's gonna get all these strikeouts. It's a good situation.

983
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 2: In San Francisco, like Robbie Ray's what you want Kevin

984
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: Gosman to be. Like, we're hoping Kevin Gosman's like Robbie Ray,

985
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 2: and he won't be. So I'm going Robbie Ray.

986
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 3: All day here, like perfect no notes I had. You know,

987
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 3: Goswin has almost a run higher Sierra, and he had

988
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 3: a ten point five percent swinging strike rate last year

989
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 3: and Ray had a sixteen percent swinging strike rate. I

990
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 3: know which number I prefer. So the fastball is also

991
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 3: for Ray is going in the right direction. He gained

992
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 3: some ticks back after the ve though, after the surgery,

993
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 3: whereas Gossmin's is just dropping and dropping dropping. At some point,

994
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 3: I think he may even have like a disastrous season,

995
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 3: like in terms of disaster season percentage, like I think

996
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 3: Gosman's is higher the latest that for me.

997
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: Know, let's keep it going now with just a couple

998
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: more left and another two guys who IM really invested

999
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: in both of them this year to be honest, and

1000
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: that's Zach Efflin and Brandon Fought, both both going around

1001
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: one eighty five to one ninety range. You know, let's

1002
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 1: start with you on this one. Brandon Fought the young

1003
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: and ascending guy who the underlying numbers are very good,

1004
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: Versus Zach Efflin, who's maybe a little bit boring but

1005
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more reliable. You have a preference

1006
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 1: between the two of them.

1007
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 3: I'm taking neither right now.

1008
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: I'm not.

1009
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 3: Versus the board. I'm either shopping in other places or

1010
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 3: I don't know. I haven't. I have zero shares of

1011
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 3: them right now. And the problem for me is Brandon

1012
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 3: Fott still doesn't have an approach versus lefties that I

1013
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 3: that I trust. I keep waiting for something he needs

1014
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 3: to add something. He did add the sinker, and that

1015
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 3: made him great against Righty's. He's kind of a sinker

1016
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 3: sweeper guy against Righty's. Against lefties, he's just throwing the

1017
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: kitchen sink and hoping it works. And I don't. I don't.

1018
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 3: I don't know that it's going to be any better

1019
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 3: this year. I if he really came out and was like, oh, guys,

1020
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 3: you've got to see my cutter, I think I would

1021
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 3: listen because that that could that could change things for him.

1022
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 3: If he like was like I'm gonna rea, I'm gonna

1023
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 3: emphasize my curve, I might listen because it's his Chaine

1024
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 3: Up's not very good.

1025
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: Uh.

1026
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 3: Eflyn is a bad fastball, older guy that is just

1027
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 3: trying to dance all around his breaking balls, and like

1028
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 3: he wants all he wants to do is throw his

1029
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 3: breaking ball. But he has to throw the fastball enough.

1030
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 3: And I think those guys the disaster percentage again, you know,

1031
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 3: is there because at some point they just ignore the

1032
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 3: fastball and start hitting the sliders, you know, And he's

1033
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 3: kind of close to that line. I feel like where

1034
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 3: they're just going to stop paying attention to his fastball.

1035
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 3: Any case, neither one of them has like standouts in

1036
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 3: terms of projections or arsenal mixes or anything that kind

1037
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 3: of makes me want to take them.

1038
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: They would.

1039
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 3: I would take them if they fell to me, And

1040
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 3: in that case, I would prefer I guess fought because

1041
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 3: he's younger. Something could go right. Fastball is a little

1042
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 3: bit better.

1043
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: It's interesting, thoughts. Seems to be like kind of an

1044
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: industry darling this year. I've seen him a on a

1045
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: lot of sleeper lists. But it doesn't seem like either

1046
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: of you guys agreed. Nick, you don't, You're shicking your head.

1047
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 2: No, There's so many reasons why I love this man.

1048
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 2: And Alice was so ready for him to, like when

1049
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 2: we talked about him last week, to be like, oh gosh,

1050
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 2: you li Fought, don't you?

1051
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 3: Because Nord But.

1052
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the same exact thing I've just he's a

1053
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: guy who's who can get really good command at times,

1054
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 2: get into that rhythm and just lowcate this perfectly in

1055
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 2: that one perfectly and it's great and he goes in

1056
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 2: these little stretches there and goes, well this. It reminds

1057
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 2: me of Jorn Montgomery then of just Jorn Montgomery would

1058
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 2: have these moments and then like Okay, he's great now,

1059
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 2: no no, no, hold hold on, he stills kind of a

1060
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: lot of problems that he still hasn't quite figured out right,

1061
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: And yeah, until Fought finds a proper weapon against left handers,

1062
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 2: yeah you're gonna have some problems there. I both I

1063
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 2: have both of them underneath my top eighty, believe it

1064
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: or not. It's also because in twelve Teamers, the way

1065
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 2: it's structured for me is at fifty to fifty five

1066
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 2: is like, these are guys I'm not dropping the entire year,

1067
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 2: like I'm drafting this, I'm not dropping them. Then after

1068
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 2: that for the next like twenty or so is all

1069
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: about ceiling. It's just about what who do I think

1070
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 2: is possible to be amazing for my team and not

1071
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 2: dropped ever. And I can also make a quick decision

1072
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 2: on them in the season. I can know in the

1073
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 2: first week or two and maybe even before the season

1074
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 2: starts that I am.

1075
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 3: Wanted to or not going to be decision making exactly.

1076
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: So they're after that group. So I'm putting them outside

1077
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 2: of that easy decision category because I don't think we're

1078
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: gonna see that from Thought, and with Eflyn, I have

1079
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: slightly higher because I do think that Eflyn will be

1080
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: valuable as a win guy for the Orioles. Like he's not.

1081
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 2: I think he's a Toby. He'll be fine, you know.

1082
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of teams, especially in twelve teamers,

1083
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,919
Speaker 2: if you draft e Flyn, you probably aren't gonna drop him.

1084
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 2: While with Thought is gonna have like a series of

1085
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 2: three games you just go what is this? What is this?

1086
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 2: And you're gonna rage quitting.

1087
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 3: Or you know, he's gonna make a lot of people

1088
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 3: look smart by starting the season with that.

1089
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: I just I just so I don't know, maybe we're

1090
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 2: gonna be looking super dumb and thoughts off. So I'm

1091
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: gonna be the greatest thing ever, But I'm not.

1092
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: I'm not. I think for me, I'm definitely more interested

1093
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: in e Flyn and it comes down to just whip.

1094
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm really focused on Whip. The last three years, the

1095
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: whips are under one twenty in every season. As I

1096
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: pulled him up here one fifteen, one oh two, one twelve.

1097
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: The stuff is about average. It's a good team. I

1098
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: don't think he's amazing, but I think it's like an

1099
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: SP five or six. I think I'm more interested than

1100
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: you guys are personally fought. I think it's just that's

1101
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: interesting that.

1102
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: You can grind out a start whip.

1103
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 3: Whip is also underrated. When I first started, Whip was

1104
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 3: my was my darling. You know. That's how That's how

1105
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 3: I spotted the starting pitchers back in two thousand and

1106
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 3: two in my first fantasy draft, I was using whip

1107
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 3: to identify the sleepers, and then John Legaza, who writes

1108
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 3: at The Athletic, recently found that whip actually is one

1109
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 3: of the better predictive stats. Still, So I mean, what

1110
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 3: do you what are you trying to do? You're trying

1111
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 3: not to give up walks and hints in an inning.

1112
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 3: You know, probably if you're good at that, you're good.

1113
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 3: You're a good picture.

1114
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: The strikeouts aren't going to blow you away. It's not amazing,

1115
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: but I think you can stabilize some of the some

1116
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: of the whips later on. But we'll have to revisit

1117
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: this one later on. If I'm betting on this, you

1118
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: guys are probably right, but I'm gonna I'm gonna still

1119
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: draft that one here and there.

1120
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think we're both on the same

1121
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 2: page or a better. It's just not really something we're

1122
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: not going to target.

1123
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:04,439
Speaker 3: I have thought I had, yeah, but I don't think.

1124
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 3: I don't think people are drafting them. I mean, I've

1125
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 3: fought in the like at fifty.

1126
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 2: So it's probably not yeah, right exactly.

1127
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 3: I was gonna be drafted off of my rankings.

1128
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: Let's finish it off with one more, a couple more

1129
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: darlings of mine, Christopher Sanchez and Ryan Pepio. There was

1130
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: some talk about Sanchez adding a pitch. I want to

1131
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: say it was a cutter that change up, especially in

1132
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: that stuff. Plus update looks really really good, you know,

1133
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: and I think that he's just a really good pitcher

1134
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 1: and a good situation. Pepio. I don't like him as much,

1135
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: but somebody that I still landed on here and there.

1136
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: I think the skills are still very good for both

1137
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: of them. Really, But Nick, let's start with you on

1138
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: this one. I think Sanchez peaked your interest a little bit.

1139
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: I think I've seen you tweet a couple of things

1140
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: about him. Is that your lead here?

1141
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I am excited that he's throwing a

1142
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 2: cutter because he needs one badly. He throws sinkers just like,

1143
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 2: ah whatever, he's the fast ball and I'm just like, dude,

1144
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 2: he can't. He can't do that. And have you know

1145
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 2: you're gonna have that one twenty whip again if you

1146
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 2: do that, because you're gonna have a much higher hit

1147
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 2: for nine. Oh wait, hold on a second. That sink

1148
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 2: of that as a massive ICR to right handers. Maybe

1149
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 2: if you throw that as a cutter instead and you

1150
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 2: can still have this very effective change up, like an

1151
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 2: amazing one, and then you have a cutter in said

1152
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 2: that gets out instead of the sinker that is very hittable.

1153
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 2: That makes sense to me. Also, I love the fact

1154
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 2: that Christopher Sanchez moved from outside to inside against lefties

1155
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: with that sinker last year. Yes, he was thrown away

1156
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 2: to lefties with a sinker with a super like twenty

1157
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 2: inch horizontal and trying to do cult strikes back door

1158
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 2: and said jamming them and it drove me up the

1159
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 2: wall and he changed it. That's great. I'm really torn

1160
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: because Ryan Pepio, to me, I think he's just so good.

1161
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 2: I think that fastball, I know the trop makes four

1162
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 2: seamers better and he's not going to be in that.

1163
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 2: And also the human weather is going to make the

1164
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 2: Nikey dimensions a little bit worse for pitchers that does

1165
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 2: in New York. But oh, it's such a good fastball.

1166
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,439
Speaker 2: And the change up was an eighty grave pitch coming up,

1167
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:57,919
Speaker 2: and then he lost the feel of it, and then

1168
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 2: he has it every so often for the most Brasil

1169
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 2: has it. And a slider I think is fantastic too,

1170
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: Like he has the three pitch mix with old sever

1171
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 2: Aino that I always really want to see guys have,

1172
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 2: and he just needs more time to get comfortable with it.

1173
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 2: And I think there's a very legitimate top twenty upside

1174
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 2: from Ryan Pepio. It's just it's not a good situation

1175
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 2: I think for him, while Sanchez is just so much safer.

1176
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 2: You know, he's going to get wins up the lazoo.

1177
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 2: You know he's gonna go deep into games. You know

1178
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 2: he's gonna have a Johnny Goodie, Right, he should have

1179
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 2: a better whip. If that's a cutter, Is he gonna

1180
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 2: have a twenty percent carry? Maybe? I hope not, but

1181
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 2: I you know, it could be better now with that cutter. Right,

1182
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 2: So I want to say Sanchez for deeper leagues and

1183
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,919
Speaker 2: then Pepio for shallower leagues. But you know you can

1184
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 2: decide for all of us.

1185
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 3: I'm like fully in on Pepio, like I have. I

1186
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 3: have shares. I think I've done like five drafts and

1187
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 3: I have four shares. Yeah, so I'm all over Pepio

1188
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 3: where he is. If he if he gets you know,

1189
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 3: in Pa did, maybe i'lso have a hard time with him.

1190
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 3: But right now I do see that like stuff inflation

1191
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 3: going away, that could be a problem. But he had

1192
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 3: a one O eight stuff plus on the four seam,

1193
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 3: So if it's like one O three, that's still better

1194
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 3: than most starters four seams. So I think it's a

1195
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 3: really good pick. And I think, I don't know, maybe

1196
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 3: he does go in and out of the change up,

1197
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 3: but it is that was his bread and butter coming up.

1198
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 3: So I have confidency I'm gonna give him that change

1199
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 3: up and give him an elite change up. And then

1200
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 3: he really developed like a good hard gyro slider. It

1201
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 3: was really important to him because he's a little bit

1202
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 3: like I forget we were talking about Grace and Rodriguez,

1203
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 3: where he doesn't have great command of any of his pitches.

1204
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 3: And then if you if he gets behind. Before he

1205
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 3: had the hard gyroslider, he had to go to the

1206
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 3: four seam, so you the hitter would anticipate, oh, I

1207
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 3: know what pitch is coming. It's gonna be the four seam.

1208
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 3: And if it's in the zone and got spanked, and

1209
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 3: if it was out of his zone, they took it

1210
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 3: so they knew what pitch was coming. Now with the

1211
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 3: hard gyro slider, he can he has multiple pitches he

1212
00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 3: can go to when he needs a strike. I think

1213
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 3: it's an amazing repertoire of like this hard sort of gyroslider,

1214
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 3: cutter thing, great four seam, great change up, bigger slider,

1215
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,919
Speaker 3: bigger like slower breaking ball, so it's a four pitch mix.

1216
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 3: The command rose. I think you're in his rearview mirror.

1217
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 3: I think he's going to ascend into himself this year

1218
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 3: where this is like it's a little bit like Grayson,

1219
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 3: where it's like he's shown us the little parts. He's

1220
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 3: got all the stuff and everything looks pretty good. And

1221
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 3: for what it's worth, has the innings now to kind

1222
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 3: of come out and do one hundred and seventy you know,

1223
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 3: both these guys can come out and give us one

1224
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy five innings, be in the mix, get

1225
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 3: cy young boats. This is how I think of it.

1226
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 3: I think they have that type of talent. So I'm

1227
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 3: all over reput and I don't mean to say anything

1228
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 3: bad about Sanchez, but Sanchez to me is like a

1229
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 3: Sandial Contra, which is great. It's a Sandale Contra startup kid.

1230
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 3: It's really good, but that doesn't come with that top

1231
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 3: end strikeout rate and on the front end. So until

1232
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 3: he shows me that you know that next step in

1233
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 3: terms of strikeouts, even getting it to twenty three or

1234
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 3: twenty four percent, that's when I think he had It's

1235
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 3: like ace like upside right now. Right now, it's it's

1236
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 3: Sandy in a much worse park, you know, than than

1237
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 3: Sandy had back in the day. Sandy, without necessarily knowing

1238
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 3: Sandy was like, oh, you might have a bad strike out, right,

1239
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 3: but he's gonna give me two hundred and ten innings,

1240
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 3: so I still get some good strikeouts, you know. Yeah,

1241
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 3: I don't know if you give Christopher Sanchez that yet.

1242
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 3: So I like them both, but Pepio is the guy

1243
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 3: I really love.

1244
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 2: We're in on Zandy al Kintar, right, yeah, I.

1245
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: Mean, especially after the other day ninety ninety nine. I mean,

1246
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: I hope the price doesn't jack up six rounds. But

1247
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: I've drafted I think I have them on four teams

1248
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: this year out of like I don't know, I'm a degenerate.

1249
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: I've drafted a bunch of gladiators and stuff. But I

1250
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: think I've drafted Sandy four times. It's like a one

1251
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: sixty eightyp. I mean, if it doesn't work out, okay,

1252
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: but if it does work o hell, he's probably gonna

1253
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: get trade.

1254
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 3: But as as with Sanchez, like with both of them,

1255
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 3: they're you know, if you're topping out a twenty percent,

1256
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 3: then you like Logan web is Loggi Wag was ranking

1257
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 3: for me. For them is like a ceiling like they're

1258
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 3: they're that kind of grouping where they're just like, y'all

1259
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 3: are all going to have like three two three three

1260
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 3: eras and a twenty percent strike out right, And that's

1261
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 3: going to be annoying in some ways and great in

1262
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 3: other ways. And it's gonna be hard for me to

1263
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 3: be like, oh, you could be a top ten pitcher

1264
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 3: in this league, like I have zero percent for that

1265
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 3: for Logan Web. I might have like a two percent

1266
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 3: for Christmas Sanchez and like an eight percent of top

1267
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 3: ten percentage ability.

1268
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: You know, that's very interesting, guys. This has been a

1269
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: fantastic conversation, as it usually is with the two of you.

1270
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: I hope you get to do the show every single year,

1271
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: and I want to give you guys a chance to

1272
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,439
Speaker 1: let everybody know where you can be found, what work

1273
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: he got going on, any upcoming things you want to plug,

1274
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, let's start off with you.

1275
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:45,479
Speaker 3: I got breakout hitters today and we're doing a cool

1276
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 3: collaboration coming up on Wednesday where you're going to see

1277
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 3: multiple articles about new pitches from Nick and Lance Prozowski

1278
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 3: and so and Eric Eric Simolski we're all going to

1279
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 3: come out on Wednesday with we link to each other.

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Speaker 3: We've been talking about who we're taking and why we're

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Speaker 3: taking them, so we have an idea of what what

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Speaker 3: everyone else is thinking. So that's a fun thing that's

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Speaker 3: coming out. We're in we're kind of in draft kids season,

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Speaker 3: so I'll have my my picture breakouts soon and all

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Speaker 3: that fun stuff.

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Speaker 1: Got to be keeping up with, you know, if you

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Speaker 1: don't want to fall behind the curve. Even if you're

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Speaker 1: not a big fantasy person, you probably are if you're

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Speaker 1: listening to the show, but even if you're just looking

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Speaker 1: for picture analysis, these are the two guys that go

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Speaker 1: to Nick Picture List. What's going on over there?

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Speaker 2: My friend, we've got some time. You might want to

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Speaker 2: read my top four hundred. That's seventy five thousand words,

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Speaker 2: just hanging out, just kick back with my tie thirteen. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but but yeah, it's so go go have film with that.

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Speaker 2: It's free on the website at pictures dot com. But

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Speaker 2: if you want to read ad free, you can get

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Speaker 2: peel Plus, which we actually dropped the price to just

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Speaker 2: sixty dollars a year. Join our incredible discord with over

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Speaker 2: a thousand people that it's the nicest community of people

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Speaker 2: who if you have questions like we answer it for you,

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Speaker 2: and it's the best place to talk baseball on the internet.

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Speaker 2: I cannot express that enough, but yeah, we got a

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Speaker 2: life Draft assistant. Also, that's a web app coming out

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Speaker 2: in like a week, so be on the lookout for that,

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Speaker 2: which you can use all POV projections and everything inside

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Speaker 2: of It's gonna be.

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Speaker 1: Great, fantastic website. It is aesthetically pleasing and it also

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Speaker 1: gives you everything you need to know, literally everything you

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Speaker 1: need to know at pitcher List when you're evaluating not

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Speaker 1: just pictures, you can evaluate hitters as well. It's not

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Speaker 1: just Nick. There's a whole team of guys doing great

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Speaker 1: stuff over there. So make sure you guys are checking

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Speaker 1: out everything at picture List, everything at the Athletic, and

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Speaker 1: make sure you guys are tuning into these shows because

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Speaker 1: we've got a couple more of them planned up. Derek

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Speaker 1: Van Riper, Jeff Erickson, Vlad Sadler, Greg Jewett. We got

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Speaker 1: a lot of people coming on over the next few

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Speaker 1: weeks to break down ADP and get into these battles.

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoyed what you saw today. But

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Speaker 1: until next time. For Nick Pollock and Enosarrus, I'm Joel Rico.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time right here on the

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