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Speaker 1: with the New York Giants, because if I said there's
Speaker 1: a team in the state of New York, Brian Daboles
Speaker 1: on the offensive side, Singletary's one of the running backs,
Speaker 1: good left tackle, serviceable o line, one, great weapon, really
Speaker 1: strong defensive front. No, that's not the Buffalo Bills. That's
Speaker 1: the Giants. And if you gave Josh Allen to the Giants,
Speaker 1: we would talk about them in the Super Bowl bubble.
Speaker 1: The Giants have a lot of components that Super Bowl
Speaker 1: teams have outside of quarterback. They need to draft the
Speaker 1: running back. They need more juice in the backfield, which
Speaker 1: the Bills did for years until they drafted James Cook.
Speaker 1: They had Devin Singletary, who who doesn't didn't have a
Speaker 1: lot of breakaway speed, but for years, you know, once
Speaker 1: they got Stefon Diggs, it was good defensive front, capable coach,
Speaker 1: dable in the room, Singletary at back, good left tackle,
Speaker 1: serviceable ole line, excellent defensive front, one great weapon. So
Speaker 1: I don't think the Giants are hopeless. They just Brian
Speaker 1: Dabole is coaching his butt off. I mean Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: to night. They dominate time of possession. With no run
Speaker 1: game and an average quarterback below average, they literally dominate
Speaker 1: time of possession. Daniel Jones goes twenty nine to forty
Speaker 1: until the very end, didn't have an interception, no touchdowns.
Speaker 1: He's not throwing interceptions anymore. And they go against Dallas
Speaker 1: and with no deep down the field thread, they're getting
Speaker 1: the ball the neighbors. He had twelve catches, but the Giants,
Speaker 1: with no run game and a mediocre quarterback, dominate time
Speaker 1: of possession against Dak Prescott, pretty good quarterback, and Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy a Super Bowl winning coach. I think Dable is
Speaker 1: you know he would never win like even honorable mentioned
Speaker 1: Coach of the Year, but because their record won't be good.
Speaker 1: But it's not like the Giants are hopeless. They're just
Speaker 1: hopeless quarterback. And so that's where an owner interfered and
Speaker 1: a general manager and a coach are doing the best
Speaker 1: they can. But they're a little bit trap because you
Speaker 1: know they're gonna have dead cap money if they move off.
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. He is serviceable now. He could certainly on
Speaker 1: the market. Somebody would come after him. He's serviceable. He
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be good elsewhere because he wouldn't have neighbors
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't have Dable. But there's pieces of the
Speaker 1: Giants that super Bowl teams have really good defensively up front,
Speaker 1: above average left tackle, great weapon, dable on the offensive side,
Speaker 1: if they had the quarterback right So people look at
Speaker 1: the Giants and think they're hopeless. If it was a
Speaker 1: great cornerback class. This is a six win team, five
Speaker 1: win team, you'd get one of them. It's not you.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of guys. Even the Georgia quarterback now
Speaker 1: with George's O line beat up, looks pretty average. Right
Speaker 1: like against Kentucky couldn't move the ball. Quinn Ewers maybe
Speaker 1: at number one cam Ward, I like those two shouldar standards.
Speaker 1: Worries me a little, you know, you know, I wish
Speaker 1: he would be a little more chill, but he can.
Speaker 1: So you probably have three or four quarterbacks in the
Speaker 1: first round. They probably have to draft one. If I
Speaker 1: was a Giants, I would draft one because I don't
Speaker 1: think they have a ton of needs. You can get
Speaker 1: running backs. I was just talking to a general manager
Speaker 1: last night. History tells you, analytics tell you the running backs.
Speaker 1: You can get your running backs third, fourth, fifth, sixth rounds.
Speaker 1: Don't draft them in the first two rounds unless you
Speaker 1: get like a Saquan or an Adrian Peterson or a Z.
Speaker 1: You know you don't need to, so it's you. Giants
Speaker 1: will draft a quarterback. They considered it this year, and
Speaker 1: you know, if the kids, you know, the offensive line
Speaker 1: now is more than capable. But Brian Dables excellent. He's
Speaker 1: doing a great job to dominate time of possession and
Speaker 1: the until the end. Again, Daniel Jones didn't have an interception.
Speaker 1: More than capable. I mean the guy threw for you know,
Speaker 1: two hundred and some seventy five, two hundred eighty yards
Speaker 1: with really no deep balls and no run game. They
Speaker 1: just got to get the quarterback right. And again, Quinn
Speaker 1: Ewers is an NFL quarterback, Shaner Sanders is back from
Speaker 1: Georgia and cam mood So you're gonna have four first
Speaker 1: round quarterbacks. I think Riley Leonard late first second. He's
Speaker 1: a little wild, you know, great athlete, big size, not
Speaker 1: great in the accuracy. Can you teach him to do that?
Speaker 1: You know NFL people probably could. Josh Allen was wild.
Speaker 1: People still like Anthony Richardson and he is forty nine
Speaker 1: completion percentage. So I know you think that the Giants.
Speaker 1: I know Jmack probably thinks all is lost with the Giants.
Speaker 1: They just got to get the quarterback right, stable, left tackle, neighbors,
Speaker 1: good defensive front. They got pieces. They got pieces the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. Meanwhile, it was eleven penalties. Jesus, if you
Speaker 1: took Ceede Lamb out of this team, there is nothing there.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just and their fullback is like a weapon,
Speaker 1: you know. I like their field goalkicker. He missed one
Speaker 1: at the end, damn it. But you know, neither of
Speaker 1: team really had a run game tonight. I just think,
Speaker 1: you know, again, let's talk about this, Oh, if the
Speaker 1: New York Giants hit on a quarterback next year, Let's
Speaker 1: say the Patriots aren't going to draft the quarterback because
Speaker 1: they have Drake May. Carolina probably would, right Tennessee, if
Speaker 1: they're bad, probably would. Although I think they figure out
Speaker 1: a way to win four or five six games. But
Speaker 1: a lot of the bad teams have their quarterbacks, right,
Speaker 1: they're gonna give them a shot. So the Giants win
Speaker 1: five games, you know, they're not going to be Dallas
Speaker 1: five or six wins. They'll probably have the fifth, sixth pick,
Speaker 1: and a lot of the bad teams just got their quarterback,
Speaker 1: so they're gonna get one of these quarterbacks. I like
Speaker 1: their future. I like Dable more than Mike McCarthy. I
Speaker 1: like the Giants defensive line more than Dallas. I like
Speaker 1: their left tackle more than Dallas. They both have good weapons. Owner,
Speaker 1: I'll take the Giants. I guess the Giants just need
Speaker 1: a quarterback and pick up a running back in the
Speaker 1: fourth or fifth round. They've got a lot of components.
Speaker 1: Dallas is kind of trapped. They're paying Fortune. They'll pay Micah,
Speaker 1: who I like. I don't love a fortune. They're paying
Speaker 1: Dak of fortune. Owner vain more about, you know, getting
Speaker 1: attention than and being remarkably interesting and talked about more
Speaker 1: than I think really winning titles. Despite what he says,
Speaker 1: their offensive line is just okay, no juice in the
Speaker 1: backfield average it tight end very ced Lamb and he's great,
Speaker 1: but very Cede Lamb centric. I don't see this great future.
Speaker 1: And they're stuck with Dak, who's good B plus, it's
Speaker 1: like having Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2: In his prime.
Speaker 1: It's good, be plush. We wouldn't get to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: But if the Giants next year, let's say they have
Speaker 1: the fourth pick in the draft, and you know, Travis
Speaker 1: Hunter from Colorado goes number one. And let's say somebody
Speaker 1: likes cam Ward. He goes to and the Giants move
Speaker 1: up a spot, give up some draft picks, and they
Speaker 1: get Quinn yours and he's good. And Brian Dable is
Speaker 1: really good with quarterbacks. He's made Daniel Jones now that
Speaker 1: he has one weapon and a more serviceable old line capable,
Speaker 1: not special capable. So it's like, who would have the
Speaker 1: better future if you got Quinn viewers or back and
Speaker 1: you established pretty quickly. Guy can play little Bumpy for sure,
Speaker 1: guy can play whose future?
Speaker 2: Do you like?
Speaker 1: Dabors stable weapons? You can get a running back every year,
Speaker 1: just draft them. They're out there. I don't know's I
Speaker 1: know Dallas dominates this series, and I know everybody thinks
Speaker 1: you know, ooh Dallas Dax. You know, the star in
Speaker 1: the helbot is very influential. But you know you're stuck
Speaker 1: with McCarthy at least for the rest of this year.
Speaker 1: Eleven penalties. He's always been penalty plagued. I mean, tonight
Speaker 1: Mike has heard DeMarcus Lawrence banged up. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm being just overly negative. Laker fans feel the
Speaker 1: same way, but this I said this to day on
Speaker 1: FS one. You know, family owned and operated just felt
Speaker 1: better twenty years ago. I think now you can have
Speaker 1: a deli like that. But in tech, I don't want
Speaker 1: a family owned and operated tech giant.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what Larry Ellison has with Oracle, maybe that's it.
Speaker 1: But by and large, I like the staying kronkey of
Speaker 1: the world. I like, you know, the Allen family in Seattle,
Speaker 1: York family in San Francisco. I big money, something beyond
Speaker 1: just the team. I don't think Dallas's future is bright.
Speaker 1: I really don't. And it's not a shot at DAK.
Speaker 1: I mean, God, if you put Daniel Jones on the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and Dak on the Giants, Giants or playoff team,
Speaker 1: absolutely Cowboys are bad, bad. I mean, you wouldn't even
Speaker 1: have to get a great quarterback. With Dable and the
Speaker 1: Giants defensive front neighbors and they're left tackle. You wouldn't
Speaker 1: need a great quarterback. You'd need Dak. You'd be a
Speaker 1: playoff team every year. Hell Eli Manning was in the
Speaker 1: great regular season quarterback, but he was great, always arrived, Ohlways, healthy,
Speaker 1: always playing two minute drill, and good in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Think about this, Dak is twenty four and four against
Speaker 1: Washington and the New York Giants. That's not going to continue.
Speaker 1: Davil's getting his quarterback next year. Washington has there. It
Speaker 1: was like Big Ben for years eight on Cincinnati and Cleveland.
Speaker 1: Then Burrow showed up, Baker showed up and didn't feel
Speaker 1: the same. And so when you get that eight nine
Speaker 1: year window with a big franchise a Dallas or at
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and you have the lesser halves or the have
Speaker 1: nots in your division and you're just dominating it for
Speaker 1: like nine years. You got to get multiple playoff wins.
Speaker 1: You got to show up in the conference championship, you
Speaker 1: got to show up in a super Bowl. Pittsburgh did it.
Speaker 1: You know, Pittsburgh, Tomlin, they get to a couple of
Speaker 1: Super Bowls. Okay, they beat in Arizona, they beat the Seattle.
Speaker 1: They got theirs. It didn't end like you'd like in Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: but they got theirs. When Cincinnati and Cleveland were, you know,
Speaker 1: not great have star quarterbacks. Well, Washington and New York
Speaker 1: since Eli left have been a mess. What's Dallas having
Speaker 1: a show for it? Twenty four to four? It's just
Speaker 1: two and oho every year not in the show for it.
Speaker 1: They beat the New York Giants last year by seventy
Speaker 1: two combined points. The Cowboys did tonight. They needed a
Speaker 1: guy who can kick long field goals, So I and
Speaker 1: Dable's getting his guy in this draft. They're going to
Speaker 1: have a top six to seven pick, and there's four
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and Travis Hunter's going to be one of the
Speaker 1: top guys taken. Will Johnson that corner for Michigan's going
Speaker 1: to be one of the top guys taken. So there's
Speaker 1: a tackle of Texas probably going to be one of
Speaker 1: those guys taken. There's a defensive tackle for Kentucky's probably
Speaker 1: going to be one of those guys taken. Giants are
Speaker 1: getting a quarterback, maybe the second choice for Dable, but
Speaker 1: they're getting somebody. So is that too negative? I just
Speaker 1: I don't know. I you know, Dak has over forty
Speaker 1: percent of his wins on the Giants and Washington. But
Speaker 1: now that Jadeen Daniels is cooking and he looks like
Speaker 1: he can't really play. Now that jade Daniels is cooking,
Speaker 1: and the Eagles role is gonna have players with Harry Roseman,
Speaker 1: I think I think the days of getting fat on
Speaker 1: Washington and the Giants are over and the Giants are
Speaker 1: gonna get into their quarterback next year. And Dable's really
Speaker 1: good with quarterbacks. This was not Davie's quarterback. He wouldn't
Speaker 1: have drafted him. He's not his guy. They didn't want
Speaker 1: to give him the extension. Don't don't blame Dabel for this.
Speaker 1: That's that's upstairs, that's Mara. He'll get the quarterback he
Speaker 1: wants next year. Dabel and those quarterbacks, he'll have the influence,
Speaker 1: he'll have the call with Joe Shane the GM. They'll
Speaker 1: get somebody. Cam Wod can play in the NFL. Quin
Speaker 1: youwrs can play. Schador can play a little bit too
Speaker 1: much personality for me, but he can play and back
Speaker 1: at Georgia. So that's that's four. That's four guys, and
Speaker 1: somebody will emerge over the next six to seven weeks.
Speaker 1: I and I know, I know it. It's easy to
Speaker 1: beat up on teams that like the New York Giants
Speaker 1: right now. But I see a lot of good pieces
Speaker 1: with Dallas. I see a lot of big contracts and
Speaker 1: one great player in cd Land.
Speaker 2: That's all I see.
Speaker 1: So I like USC to beat at home beat Wisconsin soundly.
Speaker 1: It's a fifteen and a half point spread, so Wisconsin's
Speaker 1: coming off the buye. But they lost their starting quarterback
Speaker 1: for the season. Tyler Van Dyk got injured against Alabama.
Speaker 1: He is out. This is a team that's the opposite
Speaker 1: of Michigan. They do not run the football. They average
Speaker 1: four yards a rush. And now we are with a
Speaker 1: backup quarterback. So I mean, Luke Fickle is yet to
Speaker 1: beat a ranked team at Wisconsin. This is a work
Speaker 1: in progress. And so we knew that the pounding of Michigan.
Speaker 1: We knew the defensive line of Michigan would give USC's
Speaker 1: really talented but young o line issues. They don't present
Speaker 1: any of these problems. They don't have a dominant run game.
Speaker 1: They're good upfront, not special, and USC at home passing
Speaker 1: offense and something to prove, did stop the run except
Speaker 1: for about three big carries. So you say, well, Michigan
Speaker 1: average six point three yards a carry. That's not what
Speaker 1: they were averaging before that last big run. I think
Speaker 1: USC wins in LA. They win comfortably. They get their
Speaker 1: first big ten. W USC brings back essentially the entire
Speaker 1: offense next year, outside of their center and a running back.
Speaker 1: They're young but really talented. I think they blow the
Speaker 1: Badgers out. So I think Alabama is a two point
Speaker 1: underdog at home against Georgia. And I like Alabama, so
Speaker 1: George's banged up on the offensive line. Now, they do
Speaker 1: have forty two straight regular season wins, and Alabama got
Speaker 1: into one of these stretches a few years ago where
Speaker 1: they were just unbeatable in the regular season. But I
Speaker 1: don't think George is playing particularly well. I watched Kentucky's
Speaker 1: defensive front push the Bulldogs around for long seaquences in
Speaker 1: that football game. I thought Kentucky was the more physical
Speaker 1: team up front, and Georgia ann is banged up Alabama
Speaker 1: Kaylin de boor this is what he did at Washington.
Speaker 1: That offense got really good, really quickly. And right now
Speaker 1: Bama is sixth in the country. They have an athletic quarterback,
Speaker 1: Jalen Milroe, who also throws one of the prettiest deep
Speaker 1: balls in the country, so they can run the ball,
Speaker 1: they can throw the ball, and particularly deep. The quarterback
Speaker 1: is athletic, so Milroll already has fourteen touchdowns this season
Speaker 1: and in his last thirteen games against ranked opponents. I
Speaker 1: think Kaylen de Boor is special. He's twelve and one.
Speaker 1: Oregon had better players. Washington had Kaylan de Boer and
Speaker 1: they beat him three straight times. I think Alabama as
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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold four touchdowns, no pick so thirty four thirty
Speaker 1: four to seven Vikings did everything right and hammered Houston.
Speaker 1: And I was thinking about this is that what makes
Speaker 1: it tough for Caleb Williams is if you watch what
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur is doing with Malik Willis who looked like
Speaker 1: he could not play the position a year ago. And
Speaker 1: you watch what Kevin O'Connell is doing with Sam Darnald
Speaker 1: and listen, I don't think Dan Campbell is situationally a
Speaker 1: great coach, but he's a culture builder. We got three
Speaker 1: coaches in that division who are really good at what
Speaker 1: they do. Right, Like I'm watching Kevin and I look
Speaker 1: at Matt Eberflus and I'm like, bro, you're not in
Speaker 1: that class. Forget that from now. I'm watching Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 1: Everything Donald does, Now this is the USC version. And
Speaker 1: I keep waiting for the bubble to burst. Accuracy, playmaking,
Speaker 1: running deep ball and these reckless plays. Now he got
Speaker 1: you know, he tried to extend a play today. Ball
Speaker 1: gets on the carpet. But it's not just that Donald's winning, John,
Speaker 1: He's clean the four touchdowns, no picks. And this has
Speaker 1: been with banged up players. Like I keep waiting for
Speaker 1: the bubble to burst. But I watched them today and
Speaker 1: I'm like, shit, that wasn't competitive. Houston got smoked.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that was a team that I don't
Speaker 4: think any of us would be shocked as playing the
Speaker 4: Chiefs in the AFC championship game, right, and that was
Speaker 4: And listen, one thing Donald and that franchise that their
Speaker 4: home field advantage is pretty awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can tell Houston he was out of sorts
Speaker 1: to the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 4: The other thing that got going for him is this
Speaker 4: guy has some serious question marks with his ability to
Speaker 4: relate and deal with quarterbacks. But I don't think there's
Speaker 4: any disputing that Flores is right up there with Spagnola's
Speaker 4: the two best defensive coordinators in the NFL, non head coach, right,
Speaker 4: like true defensive coordinator. It's just last week Kyle and
Speaker 4: Perdy were like, we didn't even know what we were seeing,
Speaker 4: and clearly Slowick and CJ were just over their head. Today,
Speaker 4: what has happened to Sam Donald these last couple weeks,
Speaker 4: last three weeks lead little pressure off that he plays comfortable.
Speaker 4: Obviously they got skill guys, but as we talk on
Speaker 4: September twenty second, we got a long way to go.
Speaker 4: Like we're talking like an MVP candidate. I mean, if
Speaker 4: you just vote today, he might win it. But I
Speaker 4: mean this guy and back to the Bears, you go.
Speaker 4: I don't think the Bears have any chance to not
Speaker 4: be the fourth best team in this division with what
Speaker 4: I'm seeing right now, because these other teams from a
Speaker 4: coaching Lafleur's pulling like a picasso.
Speaker 1: It's incredible.
Speaker 4: I mean they dominated. He had Malik Willis looking like
Speaker 4: a varsity guy versus Will Levis that looks like a
Speaker 4: pee wee guy. I mean, it's just like not even
Speaker 4: a fair fight when they just handed you Malik Willis
Speaker 4: three weeks ago. So it's that's insane. Obviously, the Lions
Speaker 4: are good, and what Minnesota is doing. Once you get
Speaker 4: to like three and oh or four and one, you
Speaker 4: can have a two game losing streak and still get
Speaker 4: the ten wins pretty easily.
Speaker 2: You watch the Bears, they.
Speaker 4: Look as dysfunctional as a team I would say is
Speaker 4: any team in the league. When you just watch them play,
Speaker 4: you just go, this is not good. And when you
Speaker 4: watch Minnesota pull the opposite, you go it feels crazy
Speaker 4: to say, but like, is this an NFC contender?
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny. First of all, the three or four
Speaker 1: things that we think create that great head coach got it,
Speaker 1: quarterback playing at an elite level. Darnold is weapons. Usually there's
Speaker 1: a great coordinator on a Super Bowl team Demiko Ryans
Speaker 1: with the Niners. Okay, so they've got a great coordinator
Speaker 1: and then usually situationally a good defensive team, there's a
Speaker 1: pass rusher somewhere. Well, they're playing good situational defense. So
Speaker 1: you know, it sounds crazy, but you know if they
Speaker 1: go four and oh, you can go five hundred until
Speaker 1: week seventeen and you're a ten and sixteen, you go
Speaker 1: four and oh, you can scuff it. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: if you go back to last year, the good Kansas
Speaker 1: City had a bad month November. It's like the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl year when the Rams won it. They had they
Speaker 1: were choppy early with Stafford.
Speaker 4: Remember two years ago when the Vikings they ended up
Speaker 4: losing the Giants in the first round, but they won
Speaker 4: the division and they had that crazy record in all
Speaker 4: those one score games. Yeah, I think they went twelve
Speaker 4: and five and they had like a historic record one
Speaker 4: score games, like twelve and one. Everyone's like, this is
Speaker 4: smoking mirrors. This team isn't that good. This team looks
Speaker 4: completely different than that team. Yes, right, they look real.
Speaker 4: That team look a little fraudulent.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 4: I mean, Sam's by the time they get toward the
Speaker 4: big game is gonna keep getting a lot of reps
Speaker 4: and be really comfortable. And the other thing is your
Speaker 4: head coach gets to really know what he's good at,
Speaker 4: what he's not good at, you know. And when you
Speaker 4: got that good of a defense, it is just we
Speaker 4: talk about like a running game and a tight end
Speaker 4: being a quarterbacks best friend. You know, what's the quarterback's
Speaker 4: best friend when the other team can't score, right, and
Speaker 4: that's what the other team can't do. They can't they
Speaker 4: can barely move the ball past midfield. The Texans offense
Speaker 4: has one of the best year on quarterbacks we've ever seen,
Speaker 4: just based on record and stats. They are loaded with
Speaker 4: skill guys and have a coach that basically everyone has
Speaker 4: already put into a head coaching position by next year
Speaker 4: or the next two years, in Bobby Sloak, and they
Speaker 4: got ransacked today.
Speaker 1: Well, at the end of you know, not only do
Speaker 1: the Vikings have the components of a really good team,
Speaker 1: but I had said this when they exchanged Darnold and McCarthy,
Speaker 1: by the way, who they drafted for Kirk Cousins, they
Speaker 1: just lacked juice, Like they can't do anything off script,
Speaker 1: which is always been a golf actually ran for a
Speaker 1: first down in the game, stealing play today, which I
Speaker 1: thought was kind of funny. But by and large, with
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, you can win a lot of games without
Speaker 1: a quarterback that moves. But Darnald gives them what they
Speaker 1: were hoping. JJ McCarthy gives them. With Kevin o'caonn he
Speaker 1: just gives you juice. Now, Stafford doesn't give you a
Speaker 1: ton of that. But Matt is as good as Brady
Speaker 1: pre snap and throws the prettiest ball arguably in the league.
Speaker 1: So when you're that good Brady in the pocket pre snap,
Speaker 1: Brady throws a ball like that, it allows you. And
Speaker 1: also Brady and Stafford moved great within the pocket. They're
Speaker 1: great between the tackles. They move constantly. But I, you know,
Speaker 1: I just I'm just watching them, and I'm like the coach,
Speaker 1: the coordinator, the quarterback, and Darnald. To knock on Darnal,
Speaker 1: I always said this, there's a little Andrew Lock, a
Speaker 1: little and a little Carson Wentz, and he became a
Speaker 1: bad version of Carson Wentz, which is he's big, he's strong,
Speaker 1: he's athletic, he's tough, but Jesus is he reckless. You
Speaker 1: take out the reckless from Darnold, and I get the big, strong,
Speaker 1: tough playmaker. You know, this is why people drafted him early.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think last year changed his life.
Speaker 4: I think, you know, seeing Brock, who's not as talented him,
Speaker 4: and he even said this, he's like watching the way
Speaker 4: that guy prepared, and then being around Kyle, who is like,
Speaker 4: you know, an old school nineteen eighties coach in terms
Speaker 4: of how he wants things done. I think gave him
Speaker 4: a whole new perspective on just his football career. And
Speaker 4: then Kevin O'Connell came through. The Niners wanted to keep him,
Speaker 4: but they couldn't pay ten million dollars. I think I
Speaker 4: said this last week, and I don't know how I
Speaker 4: can't say it again. If this continues and they make
Speaker 4: the playoffs and they win a playoff game, it's not
Speaker 4: like they traded up like some of these other teams
Speaker 4: to get JJ. He just fell into their lap, right essentially, right,
Speaker 4: they didn't mortgage three first round picks. Do you just
Speaker 4: let him go? I mean, the everyone's like, why do
Speaker 4: we talk? These are conversations that you you start having.
Speaker 4: This is a real life thing. JJ's on a chief contract.
Speaker 4: He wasn't the number one pick. He was like the
Speaker 4: tenth or eleventh, So his contract's not crazy. Do you
Speaker 4: extend Sam Darnald of this if you win twelve games
Speaker 4: and he's that good with your head? Isn't the whole
Speaker 4: point of this just to find a quarterback?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Right, So it's like you don't just let him hit
Speaker 4: free agency and go, we'll see with JJ, because we're going,
Speaker 4: we're going, we'll see with Caleb. And how's that going.
Speaker 1: By the way, you could probably get Donald for a
Speaker 1: he's so appreciative of five. You know, Sam's made some
Speaker 1: money in his career. You get him for a steal.
Speaker 1: I had said before the season, let's go to Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay Denver Klobbershm twenty six to seven, and I had
Speaker 1: sent in the first couple of weeks, I said, listen
Speaker 1: bo Nick's opening against Mike McDonald, the Seahawks, crowd, corners
Speaker 1: and a pro and Gino Smith. That's a bad open.
Speaker 1: Then we go next week it's the Steelers and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a real defense. Go ask the Chargers today
Speaker 1: today a Tampa defense that's dinged up Vitavilla at the
Speaker 1: back end. Bon NICKX forty seven rushing yards twenty five
Speaker 1: to thirty six, Denver blow them out. Wasn't competitive second
Speaker 1: straight week. I'll say this, I'm not anti Baker. Second
Speaker 1: straight week he was really rough on third down. He
Speaker 1: was just not moving the chains.
Speaker 4: And that awful interception today on this SI Yeah.
Speaker 1: Baker is off. And again second straight week they couldn't
Speaker 1: make crucial plays on third down. But when I watched
Speaker 1: Bonex today, this is what Sean Payton kept texting me.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know it's gonna be bumpy, but he
Speaker 1: moves you. And I talked about this. He moves much
Speaker 1: better than people think. I'm not he you know. It's
Speaker 1: like Jalen Hurts isn't fast, but he's elusive. Bone Nicks
Speaker 1: is not quite as elusive, but he's kind of quick,
Speaker 1: like he can get to the corner. And I'll say
Speaker 1: this again, they're not babying him. Remember Big Ben's first
Speaker 1: year with Pittsburgh, he'd throw like sixteen times a game,
Speaker 1: even to the.
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, like they it was like Michigan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just for protect him. Shawn's not protecting him.
Speaker 1: He threw it like forty some times against the Steelers.
Speaker 1: He threw thirty six times. Today, they're running an offense
Speaker 1: that you would run with Geno Smith. They don't care.
Speaker 1: And I said before the season, all these young quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: Caleb Jaden, they all have defensive coaches, Drake May, Sean Peyton.
Speaker 1: I think the development of what this kid is doing
Speaker 1: is I'm watching him. He made a leap today, John,
Speaker 1: he looked like a grown up.
Speaker 4: Yeah to me, when you can run the ball and
Speaker 4: your defense plays well, Sean Payton like, he's gonna learn
Speaker 4: what I can call and what I can't call for
Speaker 4: this player and what he's comfortable with. And the only
Speaker 4: way you learn that is through going through it. Like
Speaker 4: you said, Seattle looks freaking good. Yeah, I mean, and
Speaker 4: obviously Pittsburgh's defense is elite, but today felt like the
Speaker 4: Buccaneers spent all week looking at their record and looking
Speaker 4: at the Broncos record and we're like, yeah, we're not
Speaker 4: really going to pay attention. We'll see on game day,
Speaker 4: and they just got boat raced. That's the thing with
Speaker 4: the NFL. All of a sudden, you're row in two
Speaker 4: to zero to three. Yeah, teams who not want to
Speaker 4: get embarrassed. Bob had that awesome play with his legs,
Speaker 4: you don't turn the ball over. That helps because he's
Speaker 4: been throwing the ball to the other team. I mean
Speaker 4: he's had some passes that also did not get picked
Speaker 4: that should have been. Yeah, he just looked like in
Speaker 4: complete control. And you have to wonder mature guy, a
Speaker 4: little older, maybe his speed up process, Like maybe we
Speaker 4: don't have to wait till December. Maybe within three or
Speaker 4: four weeks, he's gonna look more comfortable now. They're talent
Speaker 4: around them. When they play the better team. I think
Speaker 4: they play the Chiefs next week. He's gonna get overwhelmed
Speaker 4: at times. Look at Sean's quotes. He had a quote
Speaker 4: last week.
Speaker 2: Like I feel great about it. We're unfazed.
Speaker 4: That to me speaks to when you get these veteran
Speaker 4: head coaches, like what's Eberflu's gonna be able to say?
Speaker 4: You know, I can lean on my seven playoff appearances,
Speaker 4: like he can't say any of that. And that's where
Speaker 4: Sean everyone, we're gonna be okay, even though, like what
Speaker 4: do you think best case is for them this year?
Speaker 4: Seven eight wins?
Speaker 1: That's best case? Listen, I thought they would people said
Speaker 1: they were five to five and a half. I thought
Speaker 1: they would get eight. They don't have a consistent pass rush.
Speaker 1: Bo is still young. They're in a tough division. The
Speaker 1: charters and the Chiefs are really good, so you know,
Speaker 1: their schedule is pretty damn formidable. I think if they
Speaker 1: I think, if you get to seven, and you yeah,
Speaker 1: if you get to seven. Because I thought they were
Speaker 1: one of the better over teams. I've always said, I
Speaker 1: think they're receivers. I think they have more talent on
Speaker 1: the perimeter. But I think they have more talent on
Speaker 1: the perimeter. I thought there did a running back make
Speaker 1: a hell of a run today around the corner. He
Speaker 1: did a I forget the name of the player, sorry
Speaker 1: about that. I just think Denver's got a little more
Speaker 1: juice offensively than people give him credit for. But I
Speaker 1: just like and Bo had some bad throws. He had
Speaker 1: a really he missed on a couple, But I just
Speaker 1: I like what I see. First of all, he's older,
Speaker 1: he's married, sixty one, starts the offensive coach pretty damn
Speaker 1: good receivers and backs this. I think he's got an
Speaker 1: advantage that the market isn't recognizing. Between the college starts,
Speaker 1: the maturity body had five coordinators in five years in
Speaker 1: college this kid's seen everything. I just now he may
Speaker 1: be really close to his ceiling. John like, this may be,
Speaker 1: you know, he may be seventy percent of the ceiling.
Speaker 1: But I see an athletic guy who's accurate, coachable, gets
Speaker 1: rid of the ball quickly. If they can improve their
Speaker 1: offensive line, I think you can.
Speaker 2: You can.
Speaker 1: This is a wild card team potentially over the next
Speaker 1: few years. We should do an award every week for
Speaker 1: Coach of the Week. So Green Bay tags Tennessee thirty
Speaker 1: to fourteen, crosses them. Matt Lafleur on scripted stuff. Now,
Speaker 1: you and I know first couples, first quarters, scripted, Green
Speaker 1: Bay gets seventeen points quickly. That's scripted for Malik Willis.
Speaker 1: Malite the one hundred ninety passing, one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: eight rushing. The kid goes thirteen for nineteen a touchdown,
Speaker 1: no pick, seven different targets. This is a young team.
Speaker 1: It's not like he can rely on a veteran third
Speaker 1: down receiver or he's got a Devonte Adams. These are
Speaker 1: all kids. These are twenty three year old receivers. For
Speaker 1: them to take Malik Willis, I'm watching today and I'm
Speaker 1: like they had almost four hundred yards offense and on
Speaker 1: the scripted stuff early. That's what really worries me about Chicago.
Speaker 1: They're horrible. They're terrible on their first three serdemic. It's like,
Speaker 1: that's the scripted stuff Green Bay. I mean, I'm Matt Lafleur.
Speaker 1: You know, for years and years it was always understood
Speaker 1: that Aaron and him kind of almost shared offensive duties.
Speaker 1: Like Aaron's gonna do some of his own stuff, and
Speaker 1: he'd earned that. I'm good with that. What he's done
Speaker 1: with Malik Willis. I mean, I'll say this one year ago.
Speaker 1: I mean, good God, Tennessee got rid of I mean,
Speaker 1: they bailed on him. I mean, you almost always just
Speaker 1: keep a guy, make him a backup. They didn't even
Speaker 1: want to give him a shot to start. They thought
Speaker 1: will lev Us wasn't upgrade. Matt Leffleur is a great
Speaker 1: football coach. That's my take.
Speaker 4: They traded him to a team that they were playing
Speaker 4: three weeks later. I mean that you just never know, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, if you traded in a team that you
Speaker 4: might have to see and they probably never even thought
Speaker 4: twice about it, and within two if you would have
Speaker 4: told me two weeks ago that Malik Willis looks like
Speaker 4: everything we thought Anthony Richardson was going to look like.
Speaker 4: That's the crazy part. I mean today he's running around.
Speaker 4: He's obviously been much more accurate than I think anyone anticipated.
Speaker 4: Give him the game ball last week he gives it
Speaker 4: to the entire team. It really is people, you know,
Speaker 4: Mike McDaniel is a media favorite, like he's got Schrager
Speaker 4: loves them, and some of the guys love him, and
Speaker 4: I get it. He's a nice guy. Might be the
Speaker 4: most overrated coach in the NFL. I mean that, look
Speaker 4: he's got is gonna wear thin when he goes five
Speaker 4: and twelve. But Lafleur does not get discussed nearly as much.
Speaker 4: And part of that, like you said, get a little
Speaker 4: overwhelmed by Aaron Rodgers gone now for a while, and
Speaker 4: he had Jordan Love through thirty three touchdowns. Jordan Love
Speaker 4: gets hurt on a night game halfway across the world,
Speaker 4: comes back and wins two games with a guy that
Speaker 4: no other team probably would have traded for, and pretty convincingly.
Speaker 4: I mean today they beat the shit out of him
Speaker 4: on the road. It's one thing, okay at home playing
Speaker 4: a bad then you go on the road and win
Speaker 4: a game, went with a team that knows this player
Speaker 4: like all the defensive players. Who do you think they
Speaker 4: had been seeing for three years as a scout team quarterback.
Speaker 4: And that thing was of all the games to day
Speaker 4: and that thing truly was not close.
Speaker 2: It was over fast.
Speaker 4: And I think Lafloor, I don't want to just throw
Speaker 4: out the elite status, cause you got to win in
Speaker 4: the playoffs. And he did last year though, and he's
Speaker 4: gonna beat the night Like I think Lafloor's easily one
Speaker 4: of the best young coach. I mean the way McVeigh, Kyle,
Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connell, we got to include Lafloor, and we gotta
Speaker 4: kick Mike out for right now. He hasn't won an
Speaker 4: important game ever.
Speaker 1: All Right, Danny Parkins has gone from the most talented
Speaker 1: young sports talk radio show host in the country to
Speaker 1: one of the co hosts on Breakfast Ball in FS one.
Speaker 1: An interesting guy who's got a lot of different thoughts
Speaker 1: and a lot of different things, and so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try to bring him on regular to hear on the volume.
Speaker 1: So obviously when I bring you on, there's Chicago stories,
Speaker 1: and there's you have real keen insight to Chicago, and
Speaker 1: it's interesting because I think Caleb Williams is one of
Speaker 1: the most talented quarterbacks I've ever seen in college. I
Speaker 1: think there's an l way, a little Andrew Luck. He's
Speaker 1: like Josh Allen. He's not consistently accurate out of college.
Speaker 1: You have to work on that. With Josh Allen. Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers was very accurate in college. Certain guys are that's
Speaker 1: not what he is.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 1: You got a sandpaper him. And when I talk about
Speaker 1: the Bears dysfunction, you and I get it, you especially.
Speaker 1: You tend to think of Detroit, Loserville, in Cleveland. But
Speaker 1: because Chicago did have one of the great teams ever,
Speaker 1: and because they had Michael Jordan and we've had Oprah
Speaker 1: and Siskel and Ebert, and it's a big city and
Speaker 1: everybody loves it, you tend to think, oh, the Bears
Speaker 1: are well funded, the facilities are this, that's the outside.
Speaker 1: But take the audience to the mccaskeys. The dysfunction of
Speaker 1: this organization since you've been a kid.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they got an indoor practice facility with
Speaker 5: a roof that was high enough where you could hunt
Speaker 5: a football within the last decade, like it's every other
Speaker 5: team in the league had it. So multiple practice facilities,
Speaker 5: like John Fox, to his credit, did kind of bring
Speaker 5: them forward him and Ryan Pace of like, hey, we
Speaker 5: need to upgrade these things. But like that's twenty seventeen
Speaker 5: we're talking about here. So just in terms of the
Speaker 5: investment the practice facilities, the old thing on the mc
Speaker 5: caskey's back with the eighty five Bears was that they
Speaker 5: would throw around, you know, nickels like manhole covers, like
Speaker 5: it is a historically cheap organization. They are owners that
Speaker 5: inherited it, right, it's a charter heritage franchise. But so
Speaker 5: their wealth is the Bears, right, They're not an oil tycoon.
Speaker 5: They're not real estate magnets. Their wealth is in this
Speaker 5: valuation of a football team that they don't have hundreds
Speaker 5: and hundreds of millions of dollars just sitting in cash
Speaker 5: from some other business. They're not the Walmart people. And
Speaker 5: so it's a big family. It's a dysfunctional family. It's
Speaker 5: been passed down. There's like nine siblings. Some of them
Speaker 5: have no interest in football whatsoever and want to get
Speaker 5: out and want to cash in and liquidate. George McCaskey,
Speaker 5: who's kind of the face of it now is self
Speaker 5: admittedly just a fan. He's like, I know nothing about football.
Speaker 5: It's like, George, you've been doing this forever, Like either
Speaker 5: learn something about football or stop saying or stop saying
Speaker 5: that you don't know any think about football, because then
Speaker 5: you're like in the meetings hiring all these people. So
Speaker 5: there's been there's countless examples of the historic dysfunction and
Speaker 5: the cheapness with the Bears. I do think it's gotten
Speaker 5: a lot better in the last five to ten years,
Speaker 5: and the money has gotten so crazy with the national
Speaker 5: television contracts that it's it's harder to be cheap. There
Speaker 5: are some ways still, like they were not going to
Speaker 5: hire Jim Harbaugh. That was never going to happen. They
Speaker 5: were they were not going to give someone twenty million
Speaker 5: dollars a year, fifteen million dollars a year with that
Speaker 5: type of go and celebrity.
Speaker 2: They were just not prepared to do it.
Speaker 5: And that is a huge bummer because he wanted to
Speaker 5: be the Bears coach, or he was at least very
Speaker 5: intrigued by being the Bears coach for the last like
Speaker 5: two hiring cycles.
Speaker 2: So it holds them back in some ways. For sure.
Speaker 5: Ryan Poles I think is really smart and I think
Speaker 5: he's been a very good hire overall. I would not
Speaker 5: have kept Matt Eberflus. I think that was a mistake
Speaker 5: when they got the number one draft pick with Caleb Williams,
Speaker 5: I would have lined up Caleb Williams with the best
Speaker 5: offensive head coach you could get. Yeah, because my thing
Speaker 5: was like, by definition, you are limiting your talent pool,
Speaker 5: Like you're only able to hire coordinators for Caleb, who
Speaker 5: then could leave to go be head coaches somewhere else
Speaker 5: Whereas if you fire Matt Eberflus, I think Ben Johnson
Speaker 5: leaves Detroit like that would have.
Speaker 2: Been pretty good.
Speaker 5: Like if you don't get Harbaugh Ben Johnson, he leaves
Speaker 5: your division rival and he comes and coaches Caleb, that's
Speaker 5: a pretty good spot to be in. So I thought
Speaker 5: keeping Eberflus was a mistake. And where there. What I'm
Speaker 5: afraid of right now is not Caleb Williams. I think
Speaker 5: his talent is so undeniable that he actually will be
Speaker 5: able to overcome some of the stink of the Bears.
Speaker 5: We've seen that before, like Josh Allen to use your example.
Speaker 5: He's had a defensive head coach and Sean McDermott. He's
Speaker 5: had one guy who is maybe a borderline top five
Speaker 5: receiver in Stefan Diggs. Other than that, not much in
Speaker 5: terms of elite playmakers.
Speaker 1: Just got a run game, just got one this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's it is what I mean.
Speaker 5: He had Dable and Dorsey and now he's got Brady.
Speaker 5: So he's had three different play callers, defensive head coach,
Speaker 5: terrible drafters. Took him a couple of years, but the
Speaker 5: talent was undeniable that he got there. So the Chargers
Speaker 5: have changed over a bunch with Justin Herbert, bad coaches,
Speaker 5: different play callers. He hasn't won big, but as a
Speaker 5: talent has overcome it. So I think Caleb is going
Speaker 5: to be fine. What I am worried about, though, is
Speaker 5: when it was John Fox with Mitch Trubisky. Everyone knew
Speaker 5: that Fox was not going to be the guy for
Speaker 5: Mitch long term, but they didn't want to fire him
Speaker 5: a year early and pay him to go away. So
Speaker 5: it was John Fox and Dow Loggins for a year
Speaker 5: in Mitch Trubisky. Then they fired the whole staff and
Speaker 5: hired Matt Naggy. So now it's two systems in two years.
Speaker 5: And that put Mitch Trubisky behind the eight ball. And
Speaker 5: then they did the exact same thing with Justin Fields.
Speaker 5: He was there for one year of Matt Naggy and
Speaker 5: then they fired him and they moved on to the
Speaker 5: next guy. And so that Justin Fields had two systems
Speaker 5: in two years, two different went from Matt Naggy to
Speaker 5: Luke Getzi. So now you're learning two different offenses, two
Speaker 5: different play callers, two different sets of ideas and fundamentals.
Speaker 5: And so if this doesn't work and you end up
Speaker 5: firing Eberflus and Shane Waldron, it will be the exact
Speaker 5: same thing that you did to your last two first
Speaker 5: round pick quarterbacks, and that just I don't care who
Speaker 5: it is, it stunts your development to not have continuity
Speaker 5: of coaching. So I'm not worried about the talent. I
Speaker 5: am absolutely worried about the coaching around him. And the
Speaker 5: line is clearly regressing and even worse than it was
Speaker 5: supposed to be. But I think a lot of that
Speaker 5: is also Shane Waldron because and I'm giving you a
Speaker 5: long answer, but you wanted all of the context yeah,
Speaker 5: they were the second ranked rushing team in the NFL
Speaker 5: last year. It's the four of the five offensive linemen
Speaker 5: are the exact same and in theory they upgraded at center,
Speaker 5: though it looks like they maybe somehow downgraded and Ryan
Speaker 5: Bates has been hurt. But that's not all justin fields.
Speaker 5: Like Huil Herbert was a five yard per carry guy. So,
Speaker 5: like I would have told you coming into the year,
Speaker 5: Kevin Jenkins their left guard, Nate Davis their right guard
Speaker 5: when he plays, and Darnell Wright their right tackle, who
Speaker 5: was the tenth overall pick. All better run blockers than
Speaker 5: pass blockers, and they're the worst running team in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Yes, there's no question the O line has significantly regressed.
Speaker 1: And most of those guys were young, ascending players, right.
Speaker 5: And so to me, I don't believe that these guys
Speaker 5: just forgot how to run block. I think that there's
Speaker 5: something in and I can't I'm not able to tell
Speaker 5: you what it is, but I think Shane Waldron clearly
Speaker 5: is not doing a good job. Another example, week one,
Speaker 5: Gerald Everett out snapped Cole Kment.
Speaker 2: That makes no sense.
Speaker 5: It makes sense, It makes no Cole Commett top ten
Speaker 5: tight end in the NFL for sure, young athletic, good blocker,
Speaker 5: good pass catcher, coming off the best season of his career,
Speaker 5: homegrown kid under contract in his athletic prime. That made
Speaker 5: no sense, and they corrected it in week two, in
Speaker 5: Week three and week three at a Monster game. But
Speaker 5: it's like, how do I know more about the personnel
Speaker 5: of the Bears than Shane Waldron does? And I get
Speaker 5: that there's a learning curve, but come on, man, you're
Speaker 5: a professional coach making seven figures. So I think Shane
Speaker 5: Waldron's been a disaster through three weeks, and I hope
Speaker 5: that he can correct it.
Speaker 1: I don't talk Cowboys as much, mostly because let's not
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, and I'm not. It does doesn't interest me.
Speaker 1: But it is interesting that the Lakers and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have become sort of the same business where the brand
Speaker 1: is way better than the product, and that they're basically
Speaker 1: a family business. I mean, the Lakers are run by
Speaker 1: Kobe's agent, and I know Kurt Rambis and like him,
Speaker 1: but the Rambas family is involved. It is a lot
Speaker 1: of it's a lot of people close to the Bus family,
Speaker 1: and that's the same thing. It's Charlotte Jones it's Stephen Jones,
Speaker 1: it's Jerry Jones. There's not a lot of outside influence,
Speaker 1: but they're they're remarkable brands. I don't think the Lakers are.
Speaker 1: I think Anthony Davis is just fantastic. I thought last
Speaker 1: year he was easily the best defensive player in the league.
Speaker 1: And you know, Rudy Gobert whatever. But I don't think
Speaker 1: they're a championship team. They just don't have They're not close.
Speaker 1: These teams like Boston have like eight really good players,
Speaker 1: seven are the good players. But I look at the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and it's this is what I'm about to say,
Speaker 1: is really insane. Oh good that the if you really
Speaker 1: take a deep breath, the Cowboys have not won multiple
Speaker 1: playoff games in any year in twenty nine years.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Just think of that. That's not a big ask at
Speaker 1: the NFC. The last four they've had good quarterback play.
Speaker 1: Romo and Dak are b plus to a minus quarterback.
Speaker 1: They're a very good quarterback play, and the Kirk Cousins mode.
Speaker 1: They've had offensive coaches who are more than competent. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've had some offensive coaches, and I'm always fascinated by
Speaker 1: really successful people. Jerry Jones that have a blind spot
Speaker 1: that is so obvious. The radio hits the fact that
Speaker 1: he wants to be called GM and I'm like, Jerry,
Speaker 1: you're this oil maverick. You're a brilliant businessman. He and
Speaker 1: Stan Kronk are two of the smartest guys in the league.
Speaker 1: Other owners lean on Jerry. Does he not get how disfunctional?
Speaker 1: I mean they really they always the NFL in retaining
Speaker 1: their own draft picks, And so is it ego? Is
Speaker 1: it a blind spot Jerry's vanity and personality. I'm fascinated
Speaker 1: when I see, like Elon Musk similarly, does he not
Speaker 1: see what he is? Well sociopathic?
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I think.
Speaker 5: You've probably met a lot more billionaires than I have,
Speaker 5: you know, a lot of normal ones. It's not it's
Speaker 5: not a you get into this like stratosphere of ego entitlement,
Speaker 5: you literally own the building. It's just, you know, it's
Speaker 5: it's just it has to warp your sense of reality
Speaker 5: and things that make sense. But I do think that
Speaker 5: the media sometimes gets it wrong with with Jerry. And
Speaker 5: I'm not saying he's crazy like a fox or that
Speaker 5: like everything is calculated, but.
Speaker 2: He likes it chaos is his fuel. He does not.
Speaker 5: Believe that us talking about Ceedee Lamb's contract and Dak
Speaker 5: Prescott's contract and Mike McCarthy's contract and his radio appearances
Speaker 5: and weird things that he says. He does not believe
Speaker 5: that that has any impact on wins and losses. He
Speaker 5: doesn't and in fact, he probably thinks that it has
Speaker 5: an absolute impact on the ratings that they get on
Speaker 5: Sunday Night Football and at four twenty five on Sunday
Speaker 5: on Fox. And he very well might be right, because
Speaker 5: they are Everyone cares about him. You might hate him,
Speaker 5: you might love him, but the numbers bear out people
Speaker 5: care about him. So I think that he is feeding
Speaker 5: the sports take industrial complex because it's oxygen for him.
Speaker 5: He wants to be relevant, he wants to be talked about.
Speaker 5: It's clearly an ego play, but also it programs a
Speaker 5: lot of airtime and that has to be good for business.
Speaker 5: I guarantee he subscribes to the all publicity is good
Speaker 5: publicity mantra. We're talking about him and that's making him money,
Speaker 5: either directly or indirectly. So that's what And by the way,
Speaker 5: I also think, and I said this on the first
Speaker 5: week of breakfast Ball because we were on before the
Speaker 5: season started. I was like, these contracts all get done,
Speaker 5: no one holds out anymore? Like they not really, Yeah,
Speaker 5: Jonathan Taylor for a game, Melvin Gordon for four games,
Speaker 5: Chris Jones for a game, like host Levy on Bell.
Speaker 5: No one actually holds out. You're like, Oh, they should
Speaker 5: have signed Dak Prescott early. Dak didn't want to sign early.
Speaker 5: Dak wanted to go to sign first. He wanted Jordan
Speaker 5: Love to sign first because that just gave him more money.
Speaker 5: Me Ceedee Lamb wanted aj Brown to sign first. He
Speaker 5: wanted Devonte Smith to sign first. He wanted Justin Jefferson
Speaker 5: to sign first, because they know that they have the
Speaker 5: Cowboys over a barrel, because Dak had a no tag
Speaker 5: clause and a no trade clause and Ceedee Lamb got
Speaker 5: one hundred and eighty targets last year. If Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 5: isn't on the Cowboys, they would go from the highest
Speaker 5: scoring team in the league to awful. He matters more
Speaker 5: to Dallas than any non quarterback, matters to their offense,
Speaker 5: more than Christian McCaffrey, more than Tyreek Hill. Like I
Speaker 5: just I think chaos is part of the formula to
Speaker 5: the popularity in Dallas, and I think it's all by design.
Speaker 1: So I played a game today with Jamak on the
Speaker 1: air and we were talking about Deshaun Watson, and I said,
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson has is considered a star. But if you
Speaker 1: had a minute thirty left in a game, one time
Speaker 1: out and had to go seventy yards doable same players,
Speaker 1: would you take Gardner Minshew or Deshaun Watson to be
Speaker 1: your quarterback? And I said I'd take Gardner Minshew because
Speaker 1: he moves about as well as Deshaun. He plays with
Speaker 1: more confidence, and I think he's more accurate. And he's like, no,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. And so we got into talking about this
Speaker 1: and I said, Jaden Daniels or Trevor Lawrence. And I said,
Speaker 1: here's what I know about Jaden Daniels. He moves better
Speaker 1: than Trevor. He appears to be more accurate than Trevor.
Speaker 1: And I like, I love Trevor Lawrence, but I have
Speaker 1: seen him now that Buffalo game, which was at least
Speaker 1: the first half a standalone game. Dude, he missed the
Speaker 1: crossing route that is a any college quarterback can make
Speaker 1: it effortlessly. He missed a pass in the flat that
Speaker 1: he was low and behind him, and I said he's
Speaker 1: too loose. I said, he looks like a quarterback. But
Speaker 1: if you said, hey, you want to go golf Friday
Speaker 1: afternoon or watch more film, he choose golf. He's too
Speaker 1: talented to be that loose and bad on the layups.
Speaker 1: It's not mechanical because he was great in high school,
Speaker 1: he was great in college, and he was he's shown signs. Yes,
Speaker 1: you put Trevor Lawrence down there right now, minute thirty
Speaker 1: in a game, I would take Kirk Cousins over him.
Speaker 1: I think i'd take Gardner Minshew over I'm not joking
Speaker 1: on Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 5: No, I think that it is totally fair. I do
Speaker 5: think that you can lose your mechanics. He brought up clear,
Speaker 5: he brought up you brought up golf right like golfers. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: any any golfer will tell you that you can lose
Speaker 5: your mechanics, you can lose your swing. So I do
Speaker 5: think it is in play that Trevor Lawrence is I mean, hell,
Speaker 5: Mahomes said it this week that he doesn't think that
Speaker 5: he his mechanics are completely locked in that he's relying
Speaker 5: too much on his arm and he's not seat right
Speaker 5: now with his feet and his footwork. So I do
Speaker 5: think that when you have an arm like Trevor Lawrence,
Speaker 5: which is a top ten arm in the NFL, it
Speaker 5: makes it possible that you you lose your fundamentals a
Speaker 5: little bit more. And so I don't think they're gonna
Speaker 5: bench him like Thug Peterson was like anything's on the table, Like,
Speaker 5: I don't think it is, Like I don't think you're
Speaker 5: benching a two hundred and fifty million dollar quarterback. But
Speaker 5: I do think that you need to be working on
Speaker 5: footwork fundamentals and breaking him down a little bit. Deshaun
Speaker 5: Watson in Week one looked like he forgot how to
Speaker 5: play football.
Speaker 2: We charted it.
Speaker 5: He had six passes that landed out of bounce, like
Speaker 5: they're just like straight not catchable balls. And then that's
Speaker 5: not including airmailing guys throwing it at their feet, hurtling up.
Speaker 5: So I think he's regressed. I mean, he's been a
Speaker 5: little bit better since, but he's regressed terribly. Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 5: has regressed terribly, and Minshew, it's just funny you bring
Speaker 5: him up. What I've always said about him is like
Speaker 5: he's gonna go down swinging, like he's a fun quarterback
Speaker 5: to watch, yes, oh, and like but like delusional confidence,
Speaker 5: like he will he believes he can make every throw. Uh.
Speaker 5: It's like Mario Chalmers when he was on the heat
Speaker 5: and he had teammates that were Lebron, Bosh and Wade,
Speaker 5: and he was like, why don't you ever drop up
Speaker 5: the final play for me? And it's like, it's like
Speaker 5: I had a pretty big shot at Kansas in the
Speaker 5: final four. It's like, yeah, buddy, but that's Dwayne Wade,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like your Gardner Minshew, why
Speaker 5: do you think you can make that throw? Uh? But
Speaker 5: like one out of two or three times he can
Speaker 5: make it, and so he does it. So he's a
Speaker 5: fun guy to watch. But I will say too, man,
Speaker 5: it's hard. Quarterback play in the NFL is very clearly hard.
Speaker 5: It's hard to project, it's hard to pay, it's hard
Speaker 5: to be consent and in and so that's also why
Speaker 5: and this isn't what you asked about, but I'm gonna
Speaker 5: say it anyway. Everyone being surprised by Josh Allen. It
Speaker 5: bothers me. He is clearly the second best quarterback in football,
Speaker 5: and he has been for a couple of years now. Yeah, yards, touchdowns, wins.
Speaker 5: Since twenty twenty, he's second in wins, He's second in yards,
Speaker 5: and he's first in touchdowns.
Speaker 2: All the Mahomes, you look at their numbers. Now, it's
Speaker 2: regular season.
Speaker 5: Mahomes obviously has him in the postseason undeniable, but yards, touchdowns, wins,
Speaker 5: he's two to two and one in terms of ranks
Speaker 5: since twenty twenty. And he doesn't have Andy Reid, he
Speaker 5: didn't have Tyreek Hill, he didn't have Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 2: He is a remarkable football player.
Speaker 5: And so be like, I'm so surprised that Josh Allen
Speaker 5: is doing this this year. Why because he lost Gabe
Speaker 5: Davis and Stefan Diggs, who like wit the last seven
Speaker 5: games of last season.
Speaker 2: Like it's just we need to do a better job.
Speaker 5: I think of, like, oh, you're not Mahomes, so we
Speaker 5: can like pick you apart and criticize you. I'm not
Speaker 5: saying no criticism is fair. Mahomes has thrown three terrible
Speaker 5: interceptions this year for total, Like, obviously anybody can be criticized,
Speaker 5: but like, if you've got a problem with Josh Allen
Speaker 5: at quarterback. Then the only guy you're allowed to like
Speaker 5: is Mahomes.
Speaker 2: He's the only one.
Speaker 5: It's a really hard position to be consistently great at.
Speaker 1: All. Right time for an utter edition of Sharper Square.
Speaker 1: Chad Millman, CEO Action Network. All of our odds provided
Speaker 1: by DraftKings. All Right, this is an interesting week. So
Speaker 1: I usually feel first cup of weeks, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: feeling it out. I never used to feel that way,
Speaker 1: but because nobody plays anybody in preseason, fewer padded practices,
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like the Jets in Week one
Speaker 1: offensively or awful. Then all of a sudden you watch
Speaker 1: them and you're like, wow, they lead the NFL in
Speaker 1: third down percentage. Like stuff happens fast because either Sean McVay,
Speaker 1: fewer padded practices. I'm not going to play any starters,
Speaker 1: but I do feel like I have. I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like I have. I got my feet beneath me
Speaker 1: on the league. But this is an instructive moment, and
Speaker 1: I'll tell you I want to start with this because
Speaker 1: I part of why I like doing Sharper Square. I
Speaker 1: like teaching myself stuff and the audience. So I really
Speaker 1: liked the Jets early in the week at minus six
Speaker 1: and a half. I think it's a bad spot for
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback traveling going back, I get a veteran
Speaker 1: extra rest. This is a bad spot for bow Nicks.
Speaker 1: I thought Tampa I picked them in that week it
Speaker 1: was a good spot. And with rookie quarterbacks, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of where you land and how the schedule looks.
Speaker 1: Same with rookie coaches. New England on a Thursday night,
Speaker 1: bad spot off an overtime game. So I liked the
Speaker 1: Jets a lot. And now it's seven and a half.
Speaker 1: And I don't bet teams. I bet numbers in this league.
Speaker 1: So now I like Denver and just because of a
Speaker 1: point swing. So just as a point of instruction, how
Speaker 1: do the wise guys view that game?
Speaker 6: Well, they're going to bet Denver at seven and a half,
Speaker 6: and that's sort of what they've been waiting for. What
Speaker 6: you're doing, naturally, because you've been watching football and thinking
Speaker 6: about this for a long time, is looking at the
Speaker 6: number seven. It's a key number, right, and the key
Speaker 6: numbers mean that's the number, that's the delta between the
Speaker 6: two scores. That a lot of games land on in
Speaker 6: the NFL seven four three two with the extra point
Speaker 6: changes the past couple of years, those are now the
Speaker 6: key num and those are the ones that wise guys
Speaker 6: want to get on the right side of. So you
Speaker 6: liked New York at six and a half because it
Speaker 6: was on the right side of that key number of seven.
Speaker 6: You like Denver on the seven and a half because
Speaker 6: now you're on the right side of seven for Denver.
Speaker 6: So that is the delta, by the way, and that
Speaker 6: is the very very thin line between success and failure.
Speaker 6: We're talking about half a point in your logic, but
Speaker 6: that is the difference between winning and losing in so
Speaker 6: many of these games.
Speaker 1: So another point. I'm going to reflect on this because
Speaker 1: this week I don't have as strong as a conviction
Speaker 1: on games. But I'm fascinated by why a number is
Speaker 1: so about. Once a week there is a number I
Speaker 1: don't understand. Last week it was Seattle in Miami. I
Speaker 1: had a winning week. I didn't get the number Skyler
Speaker 1: Thompson against Mike McDonald's defense. That felt like a blowout
Speaker 1: to me. It's a hard place to play for TUA.
Speaker 1: Miami doesn't play well West or North usually They're just
Speaker 1: a different team. So the Steelers minus one and a
Speaker 1: half going to be four to zero, best defense arguably
Speaker 1: in the league against a quarterback who is in a
Speaker 1: t bow level forty nine percent completion percentage. I talked
Speaker 1: to one executive this week. He said his tapes as
Speaker 1: bad as a thrower as anybody he remembers. So I
Speaker 1: look at it and I think that number doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: It should be Steelers minus two to two and a
Speaker 1: half to three. I would take Pittsburgh, but the market's
Speaker 1: confusing me. Explain the line.
Speaker 6: The market is confusing you because the Steelers are undefeated.
Speaker 6: They opened as two point favorites, and the line has
Speaker 6: moved in the direction of the Indianapolis cults. And what's more,
Speaker 6: what you can see in a lot of places, and
Speaker 6: most operators offer those DraftKings does as well. You can
Speaker 6: usually see the betting tickets and the betting money tickets
Speaker 6: means that the squares are coming in on a side.
Speaker 6: Money means that the professionals are coming in. And aside,
Speaker 6: the delta on this game is squares on the Steelers,
Speaker 6: money on the professionals. The line usually moves, I mean
Speaker 6: money on the Colts professionals on the Colts. The line
Speaker 6: usually moves in the direction of the money. That tells
Speaker 6: you that what the professionals are doing. The reason that's
Speaker 6: happening in this game is because a Mike Tomlin is
Speaker 6: historically great as a road underdog and historically bad as
Speaker 6: a road favorite. They are also not believing in Justin
Speaker 6: fields right now. They love the Steelers defense. They know
Speaker 6: if the Steelers get up that TJ. Watt is going
Speaker 6: to slam the door closed, and that's when he's amazing.
Speaker 6: But it's not like they're dominating teams. And if you
Speaker 6: even look at that Chargers game, it's ten to ten
Speaker 6: with a one legged Justin Herbert and it doesn't become
Speaker 6: a Steelers win until Justin Herbert is out of the game.
Speaker 6: Now they're going on the road in a game that
Speaker 6: should probably be pick based on the talent levels, and
Speaker 6: the strength of the Colts is not going to be
Speaker 6: Anthony Richardson throwing or trying to evade TJ.
Speaker 2: Watt.
Speaker 6: It's going to be what this offensive line, which is
Speaker 6: one of the top rated run blocking and top rated
Speaker 6: pass blocking lines in the league, can do to get
Speaker 6: Jonathan Taylor free in the open field. So that's why
Speaker 6: the wise guys like this matchup. They're getting a home
Speaker 6: underdog and an overvalued favorite.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into my picks this line. Initially I
Speaker 1: felt like Chicago was to play. It's now up to
Speaker 1: plus three. It's a coach quarterback league. It wasn't. The
Speaker 1: Rams won this game basically on special teams. But now
Speaker 1: they have both their tackles back. The interior offensive line
Speaker 1: is now played together for three games, so have these receivers.
Speaker 1: So the Niners were missing elements. But I don't try
Speaker 1: Steeber Flues or Shane Waldron. I'm not giving up a
Speaker 1: field goal to just a winning culture, the one that's
Speaker 1: trying to find their way. Bears are getting better. But
Speaker 1: I'll play the number Rams plus three Sharper square.
Speaker 6: Yeah, at three, it's sort of in the middle. We
Speaker 6: just talked about key numbers. If this game gets up
Speaker 6: to three and a half, the wise guys will play
Speaker 6: the Rams. But it opened at one, and the wise
Speaker 6: guys played the one, the one and a half, the two,
Speaker 6: the two and a half, and now it's at three.
Speaker 6: And their logic here is very much by low Sell
Speaker 6: high right, you just talked about last week. With four
Speaker 6: minutes and fifty seven seconds left in that game against
Speaker 6: the Niners, the Rams had a five percent chance to
Speaker 6: win that game. They needed every single thing to go
Speaker 6: right in that game, and it did. The Niners could
Speaker 6: not advance the ball deeper into the Rams side of
Speaker 6: the field. They missed a fifty five yard field goals
Speaker 6: scored in three straight plays. The play the next series,
Speaker 6: the forty nine Ers can't advance the ball, They punt.
Speaker 6: The Rams get a great punt return, They get three
Speaker 6: penalties on one play, including a twenty eight yard pass interference.
Speaker 6: They win the game. The Bears, meanwhile, couldn't have played worse.
Speaker 6: Caleb Williams was confusing Colts defenders for Bears receivers. They
Speaker 6: were truly terrible. They had no running game. Right twenty
Speaker 6: five seconds left in the third quarter, they're still down
Speaker 6: seven to three. When the Colts score a touchdown to
Speaker 6: go fourteen to three, five minutes left in that game,
Speaker 6: they're still down fourteen to nine. They had a chance
Speaker 6: to keep winning that game. Their pass rush is elite,
Speaker 6: their defense is getting better and better. You have to
Speaker 6: assume in this game that the Bears are not as
Speaker 6: bad as they were which is what the wise guys think,
Speaker 6: and the Rams cannot replicate that kind of luck no
Speaker 6: matter who's back on the field. All that said, your
Speaker 6: about Sean McVay and Matthew Stafford versus Ebra Flus and
Speaker 6: Caleb Williams is the one reason I've talked about this
Speaker 6: game all week. It is the one reason why I
Speaker 6: have heard wise guys saying I'm kind of hesitating. Those
Speaker 6: who are in are in, but those who are hesitating
Speaker 6: or hesitating because of that exact reason.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to take the Packers minus two
Speaker 1: and a half at home against the Vikings. The Vikings
Speaker 1: are playing really well, but they've always been a little
Speaker 1: better at home than on the road. Also, green Bay
Speaker 1: is winning without Jordan Love. The team is gaining confidence.
Speaker 1: Jordan Love is a massive step up. I also think
Speaker 1: Green Bay this year, for the first time in recent memory,
Speaker 1: is kind of a ball hawking defense that's creating turnovers.
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold historically will give you opportunities. So at minus
Speaker 1: two and a half, green Bay at home, I don't
Speaker 1: think people quite understand the coaching job. Winning with Malik
Speaker 1: Willis and looking good with Malik Willis, these aren't Luke Wins,
Speaker 1: I would swallow the two and a half take Green
Speaker 1: Bay sharper square.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is a really tricky one because there is
Speaker 6: just universal split on this one. Wow, it went to two,
Speaker 6: It was at two, it got up to two and
Speaker 6: a half, it got up to three. The wise guys
Speaker 6: took the three bet it down to two and a half.
Speaker 6: You'll see it bouncing around back and forth. Everybody has
Speaker 6: an opinion on this game, and they are very strongly
Speaker 6: on Minnesota, very strongly on Green Bay. I can't give
Speaker 6: you a definitive answer. You could be right. Wise guys
Speaker 6: could be right. What's interesting in this game?
Speaker 1: I agree with you.
Speaker 6: Matt Lafleur has been a genius in this scenario, and
Speaker 6: you have to credit what he has done with Milik Willis.
Speaker 6: You also have to credit Kevin O'Connell what he has
Speaker 6: done with Sam Donold to make him look like an
Speaker 6: MVP worthy quarterback to get his team undefeated. You have
Speaker 6: to credit Brian Flores, whose team is number one defensively
Speaker 6: in Dboa and make Brock Purdy and CJ. Shroud look
Speaker 6: mediocre to bad in two upsets for this team against
Speaker 6: quarterbacks who are really good against the blitz. Then there's
Speaker 6: one stat that keeps sticking in my craw teams that
Speaker 6: are short home favorites in divisional games against the spread
Speaker 6: since twenty sixteen. So I am completely torn on this game.
Speaker 6: I lean Minnesota. I'm hoping it gets back to three.
Speaker 1: I like Seattle plus three and a half at the Lions.
Speaker 1: Lions are missing their top center, Byron Murphy, the really
Speaker 1: really good defensive tackle number one pick for the Seahawks,
Speaker 1: has elevated a defensive front. I think one of the
Speaker 1: things about Seattle. I think they're one of the best
Speaker 1: coach teams in the league right now. On the defensive side.
Speaker 1: I don't quite feel like they finally figured out their
Speaker 1: offense last week with Detroit. Thirty five carries Montgomery and Gibbs,
Speaker 1: but you're not going to run like that on Seattle.
Speaker 1: See Adele has big playmakers. Detroit's Ohwa was susceptible if
Speaker 1: you can block Hudgson. Detroit's olways susceptible. The big plays.
Speaker 1: Three and a half's too big of a number. Gino
Speaker 1: complete seventy four percent of his throats. This is a
Speaker 1: highly competent offense efficient component and occasionally explosive. I don't
Speaker 1: trust the Lions here, Sharper square.
Speaker 6: Yeah, whyse guys still like the Seahawks here. If you
Speaker 6: can get the hook, that's what they're planning. The line
Speaker 6: has moved in their direction, even though it's Detroit at
Speaker 6: home inside when they are historically great against the spread.
Speaker 6: It went from four and a half down to four.
Speaker 6: Now it's at three and a half. All the things
Speaker 6: you said, there is some sort of hesitation because who
Speaker 6: of the Seahawks really beaten right?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 6: Like they beat up Skyler Thompson and Tim Boyle, they
Speaker 6: beat up Jacoby Brissett, and by the way, the pass
Speaker 6: played tough in that game, and if you look at
Speaker 6: the spread, it was a push. They beat up bo
Speaker 6: Nicks in his first game, and by the way, the
Speaker 6: Broncos came back at the end of that game and
Speaker 6: it was a push. So I'm not fully bought in
Speaker 6: on the Seahawks. They have been one of those teams
Speaker 6: professional betters have lid since before the season began. The
Speaker 6: number play is the Seahawks, but it's not like a
Speaker 6: slam dumb for me.
Speaker 1: And finally, there are games sometimes I just like to
Speaker 1: watch Bills getting two and a half the Ravens bills
Speaker 1: in a short week. I said this, the Ravens are
Speaker 1: a toe away from just having one really bad loss
Speaker 1: and crushing Dallas and beating the Chiefs. I like Baltimore.
Speaker 1: They had to replace a coordinator and some offensive linemen.
Speaker 1: I think that stuff, especially on the O line, takes time.
Speaker 1: I think the Ravens cover here sharper.
Speaker 6: Square totally sharp wise. Guys are on the Ravens. That's
Speaker 6: the play. It's scary, right you're going to betting against
Speaker 6: Josh Allen, who is wicked right now and is now
Speaker 6: the odds on favorite to win the MVP after what
Speaker 6: he did to the Jags on Monday Night. I mean,
Speaker 6: he was fierce right, his passes were pinpoint. He was
Speaker 6: running through the middle of that Jaguars line. But I
Speaker 6: do think that the value is on Lamar Jackson, who's
Speaker 6: twenty one and seven, as a short favorite or an underdog.
Speaker 6: It's a really good spot for the Ravens. Their defensive
Speaker 6: back line against the rush, they're getting a little bit better.
Speaker 6: I think the big fear is like, what are they
Speaker 6: going to do when Josh Allen is scrambling and improvising.
Speaker 6: They haven't proven to be able to really defend against
Speaker 6: that right now. We saw the Cowboys come back, but
Speaker 6: Ravens are definitely the right side the volume.
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